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The global news may be fraught with crime, division and war, but for the vast majority of people, the most pressing issue they face in real life is money. All those who haven’t been living underground in the last 10 years will know that prices are going up and budgets are getting tighter. So why has this happened? Can it be reversed? Are billionaires and bankers the culprits? Piers Morgan moderates a vital debate between rogue economist and ex-trader Gary Stevenson and pro-capitalist political commentator, Dave Rubin.

Then, Piers Morgan pivots to a discussion on entertainment; specifically 'Wicked' star Cynthia Erivo playing Jesus Christ, the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni scandal and Meghan Markle’s continuing cringy career choices. For this conference on culture, Piers has assembled YouTuber Nerdrotic, host of 'Fearless on Outkick' Tomi Lahren, author of 'The Case for Cancel Culture' Ernest Owens and founder of Hollywood Unlocked Jason Lee.

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00:00 - Introduction and Piers' monologue
04:00 - Gary Stevenson and Dave Rubin debate crony capitalism
47:30 - Piers and his culture panel on casting a black woman as Jesus
57:15 - Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively on SNL
1:03:30 - Meghan Markle's latest rebrand
1:08:40 - Has George Clooney gone MAGA?
1:13:30 - Tom Hanks mocks MAGA
1:17:00 - Nerdrotic on Disney dumping Dr Who

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00:00:00I've got to pay millions of dollars a year to bet on the collapse of your working class.
00:00:03I want to tell the public, the American people, this gets worse.
00:00:08Class warfare does not work and will ultimately lead to violence against these people.
00:00:12He wants to take other people's money.
00:00:14The American middle class is dying, their wealth is being sucked away
00:00:17and is being owned by an international super-rich elite.
00:00:20You want to see higher tax rates for the rich,
00:00:22but you don't actually think you should be giving away any of your own.
00:00:25Opinions are like arseholes.
00:00:28Everybody's got one.
00:00:29Jesus, it turns out, is a black woman.
00:00:32Your thoughts?
00:00:33Jesus could be a woman, Jesus could be whoever you want it to be.
00:00:35No, no, Jesus was a bloke.
00:00:38Let's not stop there.
00:00:39I want to hear Muhammad, superstar. Let's do that play.
00:00:42I've got to tell you, I love those movies.
00:00:44He's got Trump derangement syndrome, he hates Donald Trump.
00:00:46It's not 2017 anymore.
00:00:49I think we're all clear at this point that jam is my jam.
00:00:51Everything about it just makes me cringe.
00:00:53Because you've still got the heart sore for her and you won't let her go.
00:00:57Every time I try and leave this, they suck me back in.
00:01:01Billionaires are the talk of the town right now.
00:01:03Voters put one of them in the White House
00:01:05and the president's put another one down the hallway
00:01:07in the shape of Elon Musk, the world's richest man,
00:01:10who's charged with slashing billions in government waste.
00:01:13A whole fleet of tech billionaires have kissed the Trump ring
00:01:16and bought the president's council in the process.
00:01:18Many are celebrating all this as a massive victory
00:01:21for red-blooded American capitalism,
00:01:23where the smartest and most successful people
00:01:25finally let loose on an incompetent government.
00:01:27Others fret about cash for access
00:01:30and a punishing regime of inflationary tariffs on products for the poor
00:01:34and massive tax cuts for the rich.
00:01:36They include the millionaire comedian Bill Burr,
00:01:38who launched a blistering attack on billionaires in a podcast this week.
00:01:43This is so, the amount of people that are struggling out there
00:01:45because of these fucking billionaires,
00:01:47and they got us all arguing liberal and conservative.
00:01:52We got to stop doing that.
00:01:54Like, I am so tired of hearing about people going to bed
00:02:01worried about what's going to happen next week.
00:02:03There is so much fucking money in this country.
00:02:08And there's so much work being done,
00:02:11you know, then if you work a full fucking week at a job,
00:02:16you should be able to pay your fucking rent.
00:02:19You shouldn't have to go out and get another fucking job
00:02:22and still be struggling.
00:02:24It's bad for the country
00:02:27because then the kids don't see their parents
00:02:29and they're not getting the upbringing that they need.
00:02:33It's so fucking, these fucking billionaires,
00:02:37they need to be put down, you know, like fucking rabid dogs.
00:02:42They're like rabid with fucking greed
00:02:45and just going out and just dividing everybody.
00:02:51You know, just the fucking epitome of this time right now,
00:02:55like how divisive we are.
00:02:57And he goes on. It's a spectacular rant,
00:03:00I have to say, and it resonated a lot with people.
00:03:03So does this mean that we're facing the dawn
00:03:04of a winning new brand of economic populism or left?
00:03:07Should regular working voters be worried
00:03:09about billionaire power grab,
00:03:11which is exactly what America voted for and what it needs?
00:03:13What do you want me to debate all this?
00:03:15This is exciting, this double act.
00:03:17It's the one I never thought we'd ever be able to get
00:03:19in the studio, legendary host of the Rubin Report, Dave Rubin,
00:03:23and up against the author of the Sunday Times bestseller,
00:03:26number one bestseller, The Trading Game,
00:03:28and host of the Gary's Economics podcast, Gary Stephenson.
00:03:31Well, welcome to both of you. Not natural bedfellows,
00:03:36but in a way, both have very strong views about this same issue,
00:03:40which reflect how people are split about this, right?
00:03:44I want to start with you, Gary. It's an incredible book.
00:03:47It's sold buckets of copies,
00:03:49number one with the paperback. On the front,
00:03:51it says an unforgettable story of greed, financial madness,
00:03:55and moral decay. Now, you went from a council estate,
00:03:59working class council estate in Ilford in Essex,
00:04:02sort of east of London for Americans.
00:04:05You rose to become Citibank's most profitable trader in the world,
00:04:10but you grew increasingly disgusted
00:04:12by what you saw as the blatant inequality of the system
00:04:15that you were gaming. You had a breakdown,
00:04:18and then you quit, and you're now an avid anti-inequality campaigner.
00:04:22You think there are fundamental changes required in the system,
00:04:25centered around redistribution of wealth and resource,
00:04:28or the whole thing will collapse. So starting with you,
00:04:31how much did that resonate with you, what Bill Burr was saying?
00:04:35Well, you know, I come from a poor background.
00:04:36I come from a poor background in East London.
00:04:39My friends and my family still live in that background.
00:04:41So, you know, these stories of mum skipping meals
00:04:44so the kids can eat, people not being able to put the heating on
00:04:47in the winter, that's common. That's really, really...
00:04:51And I think it's important that we say that in spaces like these,
00:04:53because now I exist in these media spaces,
00:04:56and I've been to these fancy universities, I've worked in the banks.
00:04:59A lot of wealthy people don't see that's happening.
00:05:02You know, in this country, I'm talking to you right now,
00:05:04half the country struggles to simultaneously feed the kids
00:05:07and turn the heating on. That's the truth.
00:05:09And I know it's getting that way in America as well.
00:05:10So of course it resonates with me, you know.
00:05:13Of course it resonates with me. The poverty is out of control.
00:05:16I mean, Dave, the argument will be...
00:05:18Well, I'll let you espouse the argument you want to espouse,
00:05:21but one of the big arguments, of course,
00:05:22is that what billionaires like Elon Musk have done, for example,
00:05:26is they build tremendous businesses which generate a tremendous amount of jobs
00:05:30for people to then earn good money
00:05:32and do exactly what a lot of people here can't afford to do.
00:05:35So therefore they can be a force for good,
00:05:37albeit, obviously, you're going to get bad apples.
00:05:40How do you see it?
00:05:41Sure. Well, first, let me jump to the part that I agree with,
00:05:44which is that, of course, there is inequality.
00:05:45And would we all like to see poor people have more?
00:05:49And is it possible that some people have, quote-unquote, too much?
00:05:53It's hard to agree what that might be,
00:05:54but I'm sympathetic to that argument for sure.
00:05:57And that's across... that's in my country,
00:05:58and that's across the pond right here.
00:06:00That's number one.
00:06:01The question really is the method that is going to free the most people
00:06:04and free the markets and allow people to flourish.
00:06:07I believe in free market capitalism.
00:06:10I want there to be as much competition as possible.
00:06:13I don't have a problem with billionaires
00:06:15because, generally speaking, billionaires have built things.
00:06:17I mean, the idea that Elon Musk is devoting this amount of time
00:06:21to working for the government
00:06:22to help make sure that the government is more efficient
00:06:25is pretty spectacular.
00:06:26If I could jump back to the Bill Burr clip for just a moment,
00:06:29I know Bill a little bit.
00:06:30We've traveled in some of the same circles.
00:06:32I mean, he's surrounded by all millionaires.
00:06:34It used to be that Bernie Sanders was always complaining about billionaires.
00:06:37Then Bernie Sanders became a millionaire
00:06:39and he started complaining about billionaires.
00:06:41The idea that if you just somehow magically took out...
00:06:44Well, he also made a violent threat there,
00:06:46but let's put that aside for a moment.
00:06:49But if you somehow took these people out
00:06:50or if you took 10 billionaires
00:06:52and you took all of Jeff Bezos' money
00:06:54and you took all of Peter Thiel's money
00:06:56and Mark Zuckerberg, et cetera,
00:06:57you took all of their money
00:06:59and you redistributed it throughout the system,
00:07:01that somehow, three years later, things would be better,
00:07:05I think, is a completely faulty argument.
00:07:07There's way more things as it pertains to education
00:07:11and teaching people proper value of money
00:07:13and what economics really is
00:07:15that I think is way more important
00:07:16than just demonizing the billionaire class
00:07:19or any other class.
00:07:20Class warfare does not work
00:07:21and will ultimately lead to kind of what his bad joke was about,
00:07:24which was violence against these people.
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00:09:03Garry?
00:09:06I was a trader for a long time,
00:09:07and I worked with a much older trader.
00:09:10In the book, he's called JB.
00:09:14He had a good quote about these kinds of opinions.
00:09:17He said, opinions are like assholes.
00:09:21Everybody's got one.
00:09:22Now, listen, I don't get paid to have opinions, okay?
00:09:25I was one of the best paid
00:09:26and most successful traders in the world,
00:09:28one of the biggest banks in the world.
00:09:30I put bets.
00:09:31I place bets.
00:09:32And I've been betting for 14 years
00:09:34that the working class in my country
00:09:36and the working class in your country
00:09:39will collapse into desperate,
00:09:40worsening poverty year after year.
00:09:43I'm a multimillionaire.
00:09:44If I'm doing that, if I'm betting on that,
00:09:47traders message me every day.
00:09:48They say, what's going to happen?
00:09:49I say, it's going to get worse.
00:09:51I've been betting on it since the beginning of COVID.
00:09:53I've made millions on it.
00:09:55All the best traders know.
00:09:56Let me explain to you how economics works, all right?
00:09:58You guys work in media, all right?
00:10:00I work for Citibank.
00:10:01You call up Citibank and you say,
00:10:03I want an opinion on what's going to happen to the economy.
00:10:06They pay me two million pounds a year.
00:10:07Do they give me the phone?
00:10:09No, they don't.
00:10:10Kids like me don't get the phone.
00:10:12We get the money, okay?
00:10:13I shouldn't be here.
00:10:14Doesn't make no sense for me to have a YouTube channel.
00:10:16Doesn't make no sense for me to be here.
00:10:17I've got to pay millions of dollars a year
00:10:19to bet on the collapse of your working class, okay?
00:10:22I've walked away to come here on this show for free
00:10:25because I want to tell the public, the American people,
00:10:28this gets worse.
00:10:30This gets worse.
00:10:31We're not just saying it, I'm betting on it.
00:10:33No, I understand.
00:10:34So explain what you mean.
00:10:35So when you say you've been betting on it all collapsing,
00:10:38explain to people who don't know the system.
00:10:40I started working in 2008,
00:10:41which, as you know, is the Lehman crisis,
00:10:44the collapse of the economy.
00:10:45Too big to fail.
00:10:46My job was betting on interest rates.
00:10:48As you know, in 2008, all the interest rates went to zero.
00:10:51Then my job is, when will the interest rates come back up?
00:10:53Which is kind of a proxy for when will the economy recover?
00:10:55I'll give you a history lesson on it, right?
00:10:57In 2008, everybody said 2009.
00:10:59In 2009, they said 2010.
00:11:01In 2010, they said 2011.
00:11:03Every single year, up until 2020,
00:11:05they said rates will recover next year.
00:11:07Until 2020, when they finally said rates will stay zero forever.
00:11:10We're bad at this.
00:11:11We're bad at this, okay?
00:11:12I'm fucking good at this, all right?
00:11:14Why did interest rates not recover after 2008?
00:11:17Because people weren't spending money.
00:11:19Zero interest rates are supposed to get people spending.
00:11:21Why did zero interest rates not get people spending?
00:11:23I had the radical idea of going out and asking people,
00:11:26what do you think people say when I ask them,
00:11:29why aren't you spending more money?
00:11:30What do you think people say?
00:11:33They're not spending more money
00:11:34because they probably don't have more money.
00:11:35Yeah.
00:11:36And when I looked at their financial situations,
00:11:38what I saw, this is in early 2010s, I was in my mid-20s,
00:11:42I saw a generation of people, my parents' generation,
00:11:45who owned property.
00:11:46And another generation of people, their kids,
00:11:48my generation, who will never own property.
00:11:50The middle class are losing their homes.
00:11:52The middle class are losing their wealth.
00:11:54Where is that wealth going?
00:11:55Where is that wealth going?
00:11:56And your argument is it's going just to the super rich?
00:12:00Where else is it going?
00:12:01So Dave, I mean...
00:12:02Well, I think it's important to make a distinction
00:12:03that first off, what's happening in your country
00:12:05and our country are not exactly the same,
00:12:07but largely over the last decade,
00:12:09until the last month where we now have Donald Trump,
00:12:12both of our countries have been going in the direction
00:12:15of more big government, more regulation,
00:12:17more of the middle management nonsense
00:12:19that Elon Musk is uncovering every day.
00:12:22So I would be for removing as much of that as possible,
00:12:25removing as much of the waste.
00:12:27I mean, we are now seeing with USAID
00:12:29and everything else that Elon is uncovering with Doge,
00:12:32that the amount of waste and absolute fraud,
00:12:34and I would say criminal negligence in the system,
00:12:36is a huge root of it.
00:12:37So I agree.
00:12:38So again, I agree with some of the symptoms
00:12:40you're talking about for sure.
00:12:42The question is the diagnosis.
00:12:44So how do you then say to the person
00:12:47that can't afford the house, how do you afford a house?
00:12:49Well, one way you might wanna do it is I would,
00:12:52if I was in charge of your country or mine,
00:12:54I would lower taxes for everybody.
00:12:56I would do a flat tax for everybody.
00:12:58Make sure, so whether you're a billionaire
00:13:00or whether you make $100,000 or 75 grand,
00:13:02whatever it might be, you're gonna pay,
00:13:04whatever the number is.
00:13:05We can all agree on the number.
00:13:06Let's say it's 10%.
00:13:07The billionaire is still paying way more in taxes.
00:13:10But this type of class warfare that we've been caught up in
00:13:13where the common phrase always is,
00:13:15well, they have to pay their fair share.
00:13:17Well, who decides what the fair share is?
00:13:20And guess what?
00:13:21Someone will always want more of your money.
00:13:23Yeah.
00:13:25Listen, I don't like opinions.
00:13:26I'm not really interested in opinions.
00:13:28I make predictions.
00:13:30What you've said you want is what you're gonna get, right?
00:13:32Because this is the policy of the new government.
00:13:34Do you think living standards
00:13:36for your average working class American are gonna improve?
00:13:38Yes, absolutely.
00:13:39All right, that's good.
00:13:40Put this on YouTube.
00:13:41Put this on YouTube because I'll call back.
00:13:43Why are you convinced they won't?
00:13:44Listen, I've got a video.
00:13:45Because Trump in his first three years before the pandemic,
00:13:48that was happening.
00:13:49Yes, absolutely it was.
00:13:51So why can't he do it again?
00:13:52I've got a video, June 2020, beginning of COVID,
00:13:55beginning of COVID, right at the beginning of COVID, okay?
00:13:57What's the total US government deficit now
00:13:59since the beginning of COVID?
00:14:01Do you know? Do you know?
00:14:02It's $13 trillion, okay?
00:14:04That's $40,000 for every single man, woman, and child
00:14:08in the entire country of the United States of America.
00:14:12Every single man, even the babies, all right?
00:14:13So if you're out there watching
00:14:15and you're not $40,000 richer now,
00:14:17somebody's got your $40,000, okay?
00:14:18Who? Who?
00:14:20Who's got that money now?
00:14:20So the most amazing thing I've ever seen
00:14:22at the beginning of COVID,
00:14:23we all knew governments across the world
00:14:25were going to give these unbelievable,
00:14:27enormous amounts of money out.
00:14:29The UK number is just over £1 trillion, by the way.
00:14:31These enormous amounts of money being given out,
00:14:34nobody asked the question,
00:14:36who's going to end up with that money?
00:14:37Nobody. This is $40,000 for every...
00:14:40Imagine if the government came and took $40,000
00:14:42from everyone in the country, that's what that's...
00:14:44and gave it to somebody.
00:14:45Nobody did the analysis, I did the analysis.
00:14:47Can you point, if you know your history,
00:14:48can you point to a period in UK history, for example,
00:14:52where massively punishing rich people
00:14:55by massively taxing them
00:14:57has actually benefited the country?
00:14:59Listen...
00:15:00Because I can't really.
00:15:01My dad was born in 57,
00:15:04worked for the post office,
00:15:06Royal Mail, 35 years,
00:15:08never once earned more than
00:15:11the average wage in the country.
00:15:13He was able to buy a house, support a family.
00:15:15My parents are retired now,
00:15:16they own their own property,
00:15:17they're financially secure.
00:15:19That's not possible now.
00:15:20He lived in an era where the top rate of tax
00:15:23was much, much, much higher.
00:15:25The 50s, the 60s, the 70s in the UK, in the US,
00:15:28the top rate of tax on large estates
00:15:30was significantly higher.
00:15:31And in that time period,
00:15:33it's not a coincidence, ordinary people
00:15:35could afford to buy houses.
00:15:37They could afford to...
00:15:37Listen, this is not normal, OK?
00:15:40Read your history, right?
00:15:40You ever heard of Charles Dickens?
00:15:42Charles Dickens?
00:15:43In this country we're talking right now,
00:15:44150 years ago, ordinary men and women
00:15:47lived in desperate poverty, OK?
00:15:49That's going to happen again.
00:15:51That is not normal.
00:15:52Hold on, but making the argument
00:15:54that 40 or 50 years ago,
00:15:55the tax rates were higher
00:15:56and somehow that made things better.
00:15:58First off, times change.
00:16:00The giant middle bureaucratic state
00:16:02that Donald Trump is constantly fighting
00:16:04was not nearly as big 50 years ago.
00:16:06So again, I'm talking about this
00:16:07from an American perspective.
00:16:08As we're uncovering this waste,
00:16:10the idea that, oh, only if we took 10% more
00:16:13or 20% more from this person or that person,
00:16:15I don't think makes sense.
00:16:16As it pertains to COVID, I would say,
00:16:18yes, COVID was a giant wealth transfer
00:16:20from the poor to the rich.
00:16:21I was against lockdowns.
00:16:23I was against putting people out of work.
00:16:25I was against virtually all of the regulations
00:16:27after two weeks to slow the spread.
00:16:29So again, that's got giant government programs
00:16:33creating the conditions
00:16:34that create all of the economic and social
00:16:37and cultural problems that we have.
00:16:38So the solution to that, I think,
00:16:40is exactly what we have seen for the last month,
00:16:43which is let's deregulate.
00:16:45Let's figure out where the fraud is.
00:16:47Let's give people more of a chance.
00:16:49We can deregulate the banks
00:16:51so that they're willing to loan again
00:16:53so that people can buy houses again.
00:16:54Let's stop printing money so interest rates go down
00:16:57and inflation goes down
00:16:58so that people can actually get loans
00:17:00so that America loans right now are something like 6%, 7%.
00:17:03It's very hard to buy a house at that rate.
00:17:05When I bought my house only a couple of years ago,
00:17:08it was around 2.9%.
00:17:09Well, then it's valuable because, okay,
00:17:11you're gonna pay a little penalty
00:17:13and hopefully your house goes up over time.
00:17:15So just removing the government
00:17:17and the regulations and the waste,
00:17:18that to me is the answer,
00:17:19not just I need that guy's money and I really would like it.
00:17:22Could I ask a question?
00:17:23You've accepted there that during COVID,
00:17:25there was a massive transfer of wealth
00:17:26from the poor to the rich
00:17:27and all the statistics support that.
00:17:29After COVID, after lockdowns, after reopening,
00:17:32we know there's been a massive transfer of wealth
00:17:34from the poor to the rich.
00:17:35We then saw a massive fall in living standards
00:17:37for the middle class and for the poor.
00:17:39Do you think those two things are connected?
00:17:41From an American perspective,
00:17:43I would say those things are largely connected
00:17:44because they decided to print money relentlessly.
00:17:47That's what we did.
00:17:48We did the Inflation Reduction Act,
00:17:50which was actually an inflation increase act.
00:17:53The average increase in US billionaires' wealth
00:17:56in the first year of COVID was more than 100%.
00:17:58Doubling of wealth.
00:18:00What's the US GDP rate of growth?
00:18:033%, 4%?
00:18:03It's not in my head, I don't know.
00:18:04At what rate does a billionaire's wealth increase?
00:18:06These guys doubled in one year.
00:18:07Well, wasn't that maybe?
00:18:09But Gary, isn't that a bit disingenuous?
00:18:11The reason their wealth increased
00:18:13so exponentially in that period
00:18:15was just because stock prices flew up, right?
00:18:17I don't think it's just that.
00:18:19I don't think it's just that.
00:18:20Wasn't that how they accrued the extra wealth?
00:18:21I've got a video explaining exactly this, all right?
00:18:23Listen, you lock down the economy, okay?
00:18:25Ordinary family, my parents,
00:18:27how much their expenses decrease-
00:18:28But are you arguing that the billionaires
00:18:30locked down the economy?
00:18:31I mean, I knew-
00:18:32No, no, no, not at all.
00:18:33I'm just trying to explain what happened, all right?
00:18:35You lock down the economy, okay?
00:18:38My parents, how much is their expenditure for?
00:18:41Basically nothing, basically nothing
00:18:42because their expenditure is entirely
00:18:43rent, mortgage, food, bills.
00:18:45Like, that's poor people's expenditure.
00:18:46Whose expenditure falls during COVID?
00:18:48The people who have-
00:18:49Normally, we go out and spend a lot of money.
00:18:51People who have a lot of luxury spending.
00:18:52They weren't spending.
00:18:53They were accumulating more money.
00:18:54So if you stop, if you ban luxury spending
00:18:57and you replace it with, as you say,
00:18:58government-printed money, what's going to happen?
00:19:00That printed money is going to go to
00:19:02people who work in the service sector.
00:19:04They're going to use it to pay their bills.
00:19:06It's going to go to the rich people
00:19:07who own the corporations, who own the houses,
00:19:09who own the debt, and they can't spend it.
00:19:11What you have is basically a massive cash injection
00:19:13from the government through the poor to the rich.
00:19:16Listen, we saw the biggest and fastest ever
00:19:20transfer of wealth and increase in inequality
00:19:22in the history of our nations,
00:19:25and it was immediately followed by
00:19:26an inflationary crisis and a collapsing cost of living.
00:19:29This is the clearest proof you will ever need.
00:19:32You don't need me, somebody who's made
00:19:33millions of pounds betting on this.
00:19:34The clearest proof you will ever need
00:19:35of the absolutely bloody obvious fact
00:19:38that if you massively increase inequality,
00:19:40you will decrease living standards for working people.
00:19:42Well, it seems to me that the part we're agreeing on
00:19:44is that we all seem to agree that giant government spending
00:19:48and giant government control over the economy
00:19:50and over our lives ultimately is bad.
00:19:52I don't blame...
00:19:53Yeah, I don't really see the correlation
00:19:54between that reality, which we can all agree to,
00:19:57and the fact that it's the billionaires' fault
00:19:59for getting richer, when actually a lot of that wealth
00:20:01was just accrued from...
00:20:02Listen, I'm not Mahatma Gandhi.
00:20:03I'm not Mother Teresa.
00:20:05I'm not a moral philosopher.
00:20:06I'm one of the best economists in the fucking world at this.
00:20:08Okay, I'm here to tell you what's happening.
00:20:10If you massively increase inequality,
00:20:11these guys, they don't just sit on that $10 trillion.
00:20:14They don't just sit on it.
00:20:15They use that to buy assets.
00:20:16They buy the assets that ordinary American working families need.
00:20:21The reason why American families,
00:20:22their kids can't afford homes
00:20:23is because they're now competing with a billionaire class
00:20:26that is $10 trillion richer.
00:20:28$10 trillion, that's $40,000 for every American man,
00:20:33woman, and child out there.
00:20:33Well, I would say that even if we were to take
00:20:35that premise as true, so I'll go with you on the premise,
00:20:38the fault would not lie within the billionaire
00:20:40doing something that is...
00:20:41Right, so if we're in agreement on that,
00:20:43I think that's...
00:20:44But where does the poverty lie?
00:20:45So then the issue really is
00:20:47what would you want a competent government to do?
00:20:49And I think what you would want a competent government to do
00:20:52is make sure that there is as little waste as possible,
00:20:54that we're not spending money on trans comic books in Peru,
00:20:58which is literally what we're finding out right now.
00:21:00And we're going to perhaps audit the Fed
00:21:01and find out where the trillions of dollar to Ukraine went
00:21:04and everything else.
00:21:05And if we have a proper accounting,
00:21:06the same way you run your household
00:21:08and anyone would run their business,
00:21:10then we could probably address some of these issues.
00:21:12But I'm glad to hear that we're not really blaming
00:21:14the billionaires who are just playing the game
00:21:16as the game is set up.
00:21:18Yeah, what you want to change is the system.
00:21:20Yeah, look, I'm not here to blame nobody.
00:21:21Listen, I'm a rich person.
00:21:23You're a rich person.
00:21:24I just met you today, but you've got a very nice suit.
00:21:26I see you're doing all right.
00:21:26He has a new suit.
00:21:27Listen, I'll tell you what a competent government would do.
00:21:30A competent government would stop this massive, massive
00:21:34increase of inequality from accelerating out of all control.
00:21:37How would you do it?
00:21:38So do you agree with Donald Trump's policies on that?
00:21:40Because by lowering taxes, by lowering regulation,
00:21:43by getting rid of inefficiency, I mean, I'm with you.
00:21:45How rich is Elon Musk?
00:21:46How rich is Elon Musk?
00:21:47He's worth trillions.
00:21:48I don't know.
00:21:49OK, let's say he's worth $300 billion.
00:21:50OK, what is his passive income going to be on $300 billion?
00:21:54I understand.
00:21:55$15 billion a year.
00:21:56$15 billion a year.
00:21:58OK, what's $15 billion a year per week?
00:22:01We're talking about something like $300 million a week.
00:22:03But what's your point?
00:22:04These guys have no choice but to buy up the assets.
00:22:07These guys will buy up all of the assets.
00:22:09If you allow these people to be extraordinarily rich,
00:22:12they're not bad people.
00:22:13Well, in some cases, they might be.
00:22:14But I don't know these guys, right?
00:22:15They will buy up all the assets.
00:22:17And ordinary people will owe you nothing.
00:22:19Let's take Musk as a good example, actually.
00:22:21Because he's somebody who's created five companies now,
00:22:26or part created some of them and created others from scratch.
00:22:29And they're some of the most extraordinary companies
00:22:31in the world.
00:22:32Tesla is the number one green energy car
00:22:34company in the Western world.
00:22:36And it's where people want to take cars,
00:22:40because it doesn't gas guzzle the way
00:22:42that the conventional petrol cars do.
00:22:45You've got Neuralink, which is trying
00:22:47to help paraplegic people be able to communicate.
00:22:50You've got Starlink, which is part of his SpaceX thing,
00:22:53which is an extraordinary development.
00:22:55It's been used in war zones and disaster zones to save lives.
00:23:00You've got his taking over of X, which
00:23:03may not seem as important.
00:23:05But actually restoring genuine balance of free speech
00:23:08to let conservatives have a voice,
00:23:10I think has been really important to democratic
00:23:12discourse in America in particular.
00:23:15And he's got other things that he's done.
00:23:17And you put it all together, and you think,
00:23:18what's this guy done?
00:23:19He's created these extraordinary things.
00:23:20He's now planning humanoid robots
00:23:23to take away a lot of the drudgery of our lives.
00:23:25He wants to colonize Mars, because he
00:23:27thinks that one day we're going to need another planet.
00:23:29He's probably right about that.
00:23:31He's got a massive brain.
00:23:32He's got all this cash.
00:23:33And rather than sit there and do what you think he's doing,
00:23:36which is just, all right, I need to spend billions
00:23:38on making myself even richer, he's
00:23:40gone to work for the government for free
00:23:43as an unelected guy just trying to stop the ridiculous overspend
00:23:47of the government.
00:23:49And in the process, he's employing several hundred
00:23:51thousand people in America.
00:23:53And he's a South African immigrant to America.
00:23:56It's hard to think of a more positive story.
00:24:00And yet, by your criteria, you would say, well, you know,
00:24:03sorry, but I'm not going to put words in your mouth.
00:24:05And I don't want to miscategorize you.
00:24:06But to sort of portray him as one of the bad guys,
00:24:09I think is probably very unfair.
00:24:12I ain't here to call.
00:24:12I ain't never met Elon Musk.
00:24:14I ain't never met the guy.
00:24:14He could be a nice guy.
00:24:15Have you met him?
00:24:16I met him once last year for a couple of hours.
00:24:17If he wants to copy my book, I'll sign one for him.
00:24:19We can send it over, all right?
00:24:20Listen, I'm not here to attack Elon Musk.
00:24:21But you know my point.
00:24:22I'm here to protect my people's ability
00:24:26to feed and house their children.
00:24:27And they're losing that.
00:24:28They're losing that.
00:24:29But why is that Elon Musk fault?
00:24:30Because he's employing hundreds of thousands of people.
00:24:32This is because wealth inequality is rapidly increasing.
00:24:35And wealth is being sucked out of the middle class.
00:24:38But what can he do about it?
00:24:41Listen, I don't expect Elon Musk to do anything.
00:24:43I'm not here to talk to Elon Musk.
00:24:44I'm here to talk to the American public
00:24:46and to tell them, I get paid millions of pounds a year
00:24:48to watch your class.
00:24:49So what's the answer?
00:24:50Give me your answer.
00:24:51If you're not.
00:24:53Let me make you the treasurer.
00:24:55With any of the things that Donald Trump's
00:24:56doing as per the economy or anything that we've
00:24:58seen in the last month, it seems to me he's-
00:25:00I don't think that they're going to work.
00:25:01Because I am somebody who has made millions of pounds
00:25:04betting that growing inequality will reduce living standards.
00:25:07And he's cutting taxes on the rich.
00:25:09Listen, let me ask you a question.
00:25:10You've already accepted.
00:25:11If we massively increase inequality,
00:25:13that can decrease living standards.
00:25:15If we massively decrease tax on the rich,
00:25:17people who make passive income of $100, $200 million a year,
00:25:21do you think that will affect living standards
00:25:22of the middle class?
00:25:23I don't know.
00:25:24If they increase their ownership of wealth,
00:25:26if they increase their consumption of goods
00:25:27and services, where does it fucking come from?
00:25:29Listen, we have sat here in the last five years.
00:25:32We've watched the biggest ever increase
00:25:34in millionaire and billionaire wealth
00:25:36in the history of this planet, immediately
00:25:38followed by a collapse in living standards of the middle class,
00:25:41a complete collapse in the ability of ordinary people
00:25:43to own assets.
00:25:44And nobody's drawing the connection.
00:25:46Gary, let me ask you a hard question.
00:25:47Can you point to a country in the last century
00:25:50where socialism has worked?
00:25:54I will point you to a country where
00:25:55taxing the rich at a fair rate led to good living
00:25:58standards for working people, United States, 1955.
00:26:01Dave?
00:26:02Well, I would say, again, in light
00:26:05of the fraud and criminal negligence that
00:26:08has been exposed, that is being exposed literally
00:26:11the second as we are recording this, the idea that we would
00:26:14be going in right now and saying to certain people,
00:26:16you should give the government more money,
00:26:18and the government will be a good steward of those dollars,
00:26:22I think is completely ridiculous.
00:26:23We can probably all agree about the waste, right?
00:26:25I mean, that's a given.
00:26:26But the principle of what Gary's talking about.
00:26:29Well, I am for everyone keeping as much of their hard-earned
00:26:34money as possible.
00:26:36My guess is you have more money than me.
00:26:38I don't deserve your money.
00:26:39And I can't have it.
00:26:40I sincerely hope I do.
00:26:41And no, you don't.
00:26:42Exactly.
00:26:43Exactly.
00:26:44And I don't deserve your money either.
00:26:46And I think that this overall concept here,
00:26:49which is that somehow if we can just take from these people,
00:26:53it's not to say that the system is perfect.
00:26:55I'm not trying to take from the rich.
00:26:56I'm not trying to take from the rich.
00:26:57But you just said you wanted to get us back to 1950s rates of tax.
00:27:00I am trying to stop the redistribution.
00:27:02I am trying to stop the redistribution that's
00:27:04happening in front of our eyes.
00:27:06The American middle class, the British middle class is dying.
00:27:09Their wealth is being sucked away
00:27:10and is being owned by an international super-rich elite
00:27:13who pay no tax, while the people watching this show
00:27:15pay 40%, 50%, while billionaires pay nothing.
00:27:19Let me ask you a difficult question.
00:27:20But I don't understand.
00:27:21Let me ask you a difficult question.
00:27:21Come at me.
00:27:22I've got a difficult question, which is,
00:27:25there'll be a lot of people watching this agreeing,
00:27:27and obviously people disagreeing as well.
00:27:29But two questions.
00:27:30How much money have you made in your life?
00:27:32Yeah.
00:27:33And how much have you given away?
00:27:34I'll give you an excellent answer to that.
00:27:35If you want to know how much money I've made in my life,
00:27:37it is exactly there in my book, The Trading Game.
00:27:40We'll go ahead today.
00:27:41And you'll see, it's getting clear.
00:27:42How much is it?
00:27:42You've got to read the book.
00:27:44I'm not trying to read it right now.
00:27:45You've not read the book?
00:27:46No.
00:27:46Well, I was picking it up afterwards.
00:27:48My son's raving about it.
00:27:50Listen, I made a lot of money, enough to quit running a YouTube channel.
00:27:52So how much? Just give it to me straight.
00:27:54Enough to quit running a YouTube channel and have a family.
00:27:57That's enough.
00:27:5830 million? 50 million?
00:28:00Do you have a spreadsheet?
00:28:01Do you have a spreadsheet?
00:28:02No.
00:28:02I don't have a fucking spreadsheet.
00:28:03All I know is it's enough.
00:28:04I can go to Nando's and I'll know.
00:28:05You said you put it in the book, though, how much it is.
00:28:07Yeah, but I didn't add it all up.
00:28:08You read the book and add it up.
00:28:09Well, how much is it?
00:28:10I don't fucking know.
00:28:11It's, listen.
00:28:12What, 10, 50, 100 million?
00:28:13It's enough for me to live for the rest of my life.
00:28:15I'm not trying to trap you.
00:28:15Oh, it's the 10, 50, 100 million.
00:28:17It's enough.
00:28:17Enough for an ordinary person to live the rest of their life as a whole family.
00:28:19How much is that?
00:28:20The number I had in my head when I went into banking, well, was 2 million pounds.
00:28:242 million?
00:28:24And it was enough.
00:28:25For me, that's enough.
00:28:25You've made more than 2 million.
00:28:27You're a city bank's top guy.
00:28:28I don't have this stuff up.
00:28:30For me, it's enough.
00:28:31I've got enough money.
00:28:31I've got enough to do the work that I do, to tell ordinary people.
00:28:34Do you risk to redistribute your own wealth?
00:28:37That is the money that funds my YouTube channel.
00:28:39That, listen.
00:28:40Well, do you, when you sell a book, do you keep the money for the book?
00:28:43If I give the money away, who does the fucking YouTube channel, Piers?
00:28:46Listen, who pays you?
00:28:48I'm not accusing you.
00:28:48I'm just asking you.
00:28:49Do you give any money away?
00:28:51Who pays you?
00:28:52Listen, you and I both know there's two ways to earn money.
00:28:54The reason I'm asking you is only because your position is that there should be more redistribution to poorer people from the rich.
00:29:02And you're a rich guy who's made millions.
00:29:04Won't say exactly how many millions.
00:29:06I'll work it out when I read the book.
00:29:07The viewer should also work out by reading the book.
00:29:09Yeah, but I don't think it's unfair.
00:29:12I don't think it's unfair to ask you how much you've given away.
00:29:17Listen, this is the money.
00:29:18Who's going to pay for my kids?
00:29:19What percentage?
00:29:20I've put my job to run a YouTube channel.
00:29:22That's the money that's going to send my kids to school, Piers.
00:29:25But that does sound quite selfish.
00:29:27Look, I've told you before.
00:29:29I'm not Mahatma Gandhi.
00:29:29I never pretended to be a good person.
00:29:31I was the best trader in the fucking world, one of the biggest banks in the world.
00:29:34And I made that money by betting the American middle class would be destroyed.
00:29:37I get it.
00:29:37I ain't here to be Mahatma Gandhi.
00:29:39I ain't Nelson Mandela like you, boss.
00:29:41I'm here to tell the American public what's happening.
00:29:43But do you think you practice what you're preaching?
00:29:45What I preach is to raise taxes and reduce the growing inequality.
00:29:48That's what I preach.
00:29:49Listen, I ain't here telling people, I didn't tell you to give your money away.
00:29:52I didn't tell you to give your money away.
00:29:54But you are, because you want the power of the state, which has the guns,
00:29:58to say to Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and Mark Zuckerberg,
00:30:01we're going to take your money.
00:30:02We're just going to pick a number and decide how much to take.
00:30:05Do you give more than 1% of your money to charity?
00:30:07I want the state to protect ordinary people from the rich.
00:30:11Do you do any of that yourself?
00:30:13Listen, I'm not here to tell anybody to give their money away.
00:30:16I'm here to tell people how to protect their class.
00:30:18I mean, this is what the left is.
00:30:20Listen, I'm going to go home and I'm going to bet on the collapse of the American middle class
00:30:23and it's going to happen.
00:30:24And I'm here telling them it's going to happen.
00:30:25I'm here telling them how to stop it.
00:30:26Sure, but why don't you do that and donate 1% of your salary?
00:30:29I ain't here pretending to be a good person. I never said I was a good person.
00:30:30Read the book, you can see.
00:30:31But I'm a good fucking economist and I'm going to be right.
00:30:33And you've made your prediction that living standards will increase in the next three years.
00:30:36And I've made my prediction that they won't.
00:30:39Well, I can't speak to what's going to happen here, but I can speak to what's happened in my country.
00:30:42Listen, you're from my country.
00:30:44You know people that look like me and sound like me don't get a chance
00:30:47to make millions of pounds better on the economy.
00:30:49There's a reason I'm doing this, because I'm fucking good at it.
00:30:52I don't need to be here. I could be on a beach in the Philippines.
00:30:54I know lots of traders who come from working class backgrounds.
00:30:57Who? Name one.
00:30:58I know lots of decisions.
00:30:59Listen, I worked in Canary Wharf.
00:31:01I'm from East London.
00:31:02I worked in Canary Wharf.
00:31:03A guy came up to me and he said, that's an interesting accent.
00:31:05Where are you from?
00:31:06I fucking worked in East London.
00:31:08Listen, Piers, I've got a lot of respect for you, OK?
00:31:11You're an older man.
00:31:12Nowadays, the City of London...
00:31:13Whoa!
00:31:14That was brutal!
00:31:15That was brutal!
00:31:16The City of London does not contain working class people.
00:31:18I've been there, Piers.
00:31:19I've been there.
00:31:20I was there 10 years ago, OK?
00:31:21There are no working class people in the City of London.
00:31:23Come on.
00:31:24I met loads of them.
00:31:25I worked in Canary Wharf for four years.
00:31:26One kid come through once.
00:31:27Once.
00:31:28His name was Tarek.
00:31:29I remember.
00:31:30The only working class kid I ever saw come through when I was there.
00:31:33One, Piers.
00:31:34In four years.
00:31:35In Canary Wharf, which is in East London.
00:31:38I'm still trying to wrestle with it.
00:31:40You're perfectly entitled to do with your money what you want to do.
00:31:43You haven't demanded we give ours away.
00:31:45Fine.
00:31:46I get that.
00:31:47But what is your answer?
00:31:48If you had the chance now to run the Western world economically,
00:31:53give me the blueprint for how we stop going down
00:31:56what you think is an apocalyptic path.
00:31:58Tax work less, tax wealth more.
00:32:00Simple as that.
00:32:01You can't have ordinary working people paying 40, 50%
00:32:04while billionaires pay 5%.
00:32:06You mean the middle class?
00:32:07That's all working class.
00:32:08Working class people pay 30, 40, 50%.
00:32:11Once you include everything.
00:32:12Once you include their VAT.
00:32:13Once you include their income taxes.
00:32:15They do.
00:32:16They do.
00:32:17Once you include their health taxes.
00:32:18Would you be for a flat tax?
00:32:19Pick whatever the number is.
00:32:2012%.
00:32:21No, because it won't work.
00:32:22A flat tax is obviously not going to work.
00:32:24So what would you like to see?
00:32:25I know you're an American.
00:32:26OK, listen.
00:32:27Look at the history of my country.
00:32:28OK?
00:32:29For hundreds and hundreds of years,
00:32:30a small, tiny, super wealthy elite
00:32:32lived the fucking dream while ordinary people
00:32:35lived lives of desperate poverty.
00:32:36OK?
00:32:37That is what's going to happen to your country.
00:32:39And that is what's going to happen to my country
00:32:41if you do not protect the working class from the rich.
00:32:43But that's exactly what we're doing right now.
00:32:45That's what Donald Trump did.
00:32:46Well, we'll see you.
00:32:47We've made our bets.
00:32:48We've made our bets.
00:32:49That's what Donald Trump's entire movement is all about.
00:32:51It's a movement of we the people.
00:32:52And by the way, what you said earlier, Piers,
00:32:54was completely right.
00:32:55Pre-COVID, go to Donald Trump's State of the Union speech
00:32:58before COVID.
00:32:59What does he do?
00:33:00He gets up there, talks about how great the economy is doing.
00:33:02Everyone knows what he's doing.
00:33:04He gets re-elected by a landslide.
00:33:05Yes.
00:33:06And the best part of the whole thing,
00:33:07he talks about lowest all-time Black and Latino unemployment.
00:33:09And the Congressional Black Caucus sat there like this
00:33:11because what they cared about really
00:33:13was keeping Black people as Democrats
00:33:15more than actually freeing them economically.
00:33:17And one of the reasons he did so well with Black voters
00:33:19and with Latinos in particular was they remembered
00:33:22that whatever you think of Trump or what comes out of his mouth,
00:33:25they were better off under him
00:33:27than they were after four years of Biden.
00:33:29Yeah.
00:33:30I also think it's sort of interesting that,
00:33:33and you can check the numbers on this,
00:33:35but conservatives donate way more of their money
00:33:39than progressives and socialists,
00:33:41which is why, unfortunately,
00:33:42he can't tell you how much he's donated
00:33:44while he wants to take other people's money.
00:33:46How can I donate anything?
00:33:47I'm not here to remember Theresa.
00:33:49I'm here to tell the American public
00:33:51why they're going to lose their house.
00:33:53Wouldn't it be more effective to say,
00:33:55and I'm going to lead from the front
00:33:57by redistributing some of my own wealth
00:33:59because there'll be people watching you going,
00:34:02you want to see higher tax rates for the rich
00:34:04so they have to give away more of their money,
00:34:06but you don't actually think
00:34:08you should be giving away any of your own.
00:34:10Peter, I don't need the public to believe me.
00:34:12You're wealthy, I'm wealthy, you're wealthy.
00:34:14I donated plenty of money this morning.
00:34:16It's not going to be us whose kids don't have their homes.
00:34:18I'm here to tell the American public the truth.
00:34:20I use my money to support my YouTube channel,
00:34:22Gary's Economics,
00:34:24which is watched by millions of people a week
00:34:26to explain what's happening.
00:34:28People can listen to me and they can protect their interests,
00:34:30and then I'll be in the Philippines.
00:34:32A switch must have gone off on you
00:34:34when you were the biggest trader in the world,
00:34:36one of the most successful guys in the world.
00:34:38You're making all this money,
00:34:40presumably having a great life doing it,
00:34:42and then something switched in you.
00:34:44What was the moment?
00:34:46Peter, I don't know what your childhood was like.
00:34:48I grew up poor. I grew up poor.
00:34:50I grew up really poor.
00:34:52I grew up in a country pub.
00:34:54Our parents worked seven days a week, both of them.
00:34:56We never had any money.
00:34:59I'm not saying I was poor, because I wasn't,
00:35:01but certainly there was not a lot of money around.
00:35:03Well, maybe you don't need me to tell you then,
00:35:05but listen, I've been poor.
00:35:07It's fucking hard.
00:35:09It's fucking hard.
00:35:11I worked really, really, really fucking hard,
00:35:13and I was the best student at one of the best universities
00:35:15in the best country, and I worked my tits off
00:35:17and I got the best job and I became the best trader.
00:35:19What I made my money on
00:35:21was understanding that the British working class,
00:35:23the American working class,
00:35:25ordinary, hard-working people like my dad,
00:35:28like my mum, like the kids I grew up with,
00:35:30their kids and their grandkids
00:35:32would live in desperate poverty.
00:35:34What was the moment for you of self-realisation
00:35:36that you wanted to get out of it?
00:35:38It's a good question, because it didn't really come in a moment.
00:35:40You spoke in the book about me having a breakdown.
00:35:42I didn't grow up.
00:35:44I don't consider myself a politician.
00:35:46For me, what I see...
00:35:48I made that money,
00:35:50and everybody around me was like,
00:35:52well done, here's $10 million, do it again.
00:35:54And I got sick.
00:35:57I got sick.
00:35:59But what made you sick, do you think?
00:36:01Was it the pace of work?
00:36:03It was understanding that my country's going to fall apart, Piers.
00:36:05It's going to happen, Piers.
00:36:07Listen, I've been right for 14 years on this, OK?
00:36:09It's going to happen.
00:36:11And you've made your predictions.
00:36:13And I fucking hope I'm wrong,
00:36:15but I haven't been wrong before.
00:36:17What do you make of the whole crypto thing?
00:36:19I think it's a fucking pyramid scheme.
00:36:21Do you?
00:36:23I don't understand it.
00:36:26I think it's a very efficient way
00:36:28to get a lot of money
00:36:30out of the young, hopeful,
00:36:32ambitious young men of this world
00:36:34into the pockets of the worst
00:36:36San Francisco dickheads you've ever met.
00:36:38Piers, I also think we just, again,
00:36:40have to make the distinction
00:36:42between UK economics and history
00:36:44and American economics and history.
00:36:46In America, because we have been
00:36:48the home of free market capitalism,
00:36:50again, putting aside the fraud
00:36:52and corruption and things like that,
00:36:54every single person
00:36:56that has come to America
00:36:58has it better the next generation, right?
00:37:00That has worked.
00:37:02Anyone that's watching this from an American perspective,
00:37:04think about your grandparents,
00:37:06and guess what? Your parents had it better than them,
00:37:08and you have it better than them.
00:37:10This generation right now is the first generation
00:37:12that that's actually a question.
00:37:14That's actually true.
00:37:16But the issue is not because capitalism doesn't work
00:37:18or free markets don't work
00:37:20or competition doesn't work.
00:37:22It's about the control and regulation
00:37:24that the government has put on.
00:37:26So again, this is what Donald Trump
00:37:28is hacking away at right now.
00:37:30So I'm very bullish on the American economy
00:37:32and the ability for people who are making 50 grand,
00:37:34which is an awful lot of money,
00:37:36which, by the way, if I had a flat tax,
00:37:38I wrote about this in my book,
00:37:40I would exempt people, say, under 50.
00:37:42You can have some sort of buffer there,
00:37:44but they will have a chance to succeed.
00:37:46The Democrats have confused everybody
00:37:48to think that, oh, my God,
00:37:50we're going to win somehow.
00:37:52Well, also, I would say whatever socialism
00:37:54has actually been tried...
00:37:56It doesn't work.
00:37:58I just want to talk a little bit
00:38:00about the hacking away of the state
00:38:02because I know we're British
00:38:04and we get a chance here to talk.
00:38:06I know there's a lot of American viewers
00:38:08on this show.
00:38:10I want to send the message from the future.
00:38:12We've had the government here
00:38:14that's spent 14 years hacking away at the state,
00:38:16and my friends can't feed their kids.
00:38:18I know.
00:38:20One example I would give you...
00:38:22One thing I would say, I remember
00:38:24when I bought my first house, I was 20,
00:38:26so we're talking nearly 40 years ago,
00:38:28and I bought it with two mates,
00:38:30and all you needed then to buy
00:38:32a reasonable place in London
00:38:34in the suburbs
00:38:36was you needed one parent
00:38:38to just act as a guarantor,
00:38:40not even put any money up, just a guarantor,
00:38:42and you would get 100% mortgage.
00:38:44They would just give you the money, the banks.
00:38:46When one of my sons,
00:38:48the first one to actually want to buy
00:38:50a property and asked me to help him out,
00:38:52minimum 25% deposit.
00:38:54Minimum, as a check
00:38:56before you start anything else.
00:38:58And that was shocking to me
00:39:00that in 40 years we'd gone from a place
00:39:02where anyone could afford to get a property,
00:39:04really, once you got onto the working ladder,
00:39:06all right, diminishing size
00:39:08and geography and so on, you could afford
00:39:10to buy your own home.
00:39:12Most people, I'm not talking about people
00:39:14in the poverty trap,
00:39:16but now you can even come
00:39:18from a pretty prosperous
00:39:20background and
00:39:22life and earn good money
00:39:24and it's still incredibly prohibitive.
00:39:26And most people are priced out of in London
00:39:28certainly, of owning their own home.
00:39:30I find that very heartbreaking.
00:39:32Well, we also made banks that were too big to fail.
00:39:34We made them bigger, right? I mean, that was what we did.
00:39:36We had a certain amount of banks, and then we made
00:39:38the banking system smaller
00:39:40in that there were less banks to work with. So then what happens?
00:39:42Less competition. So less banks
00:39:44suddenly can compete to get your
00:39:46mortgage. So mortgage rates go up
00:39:48on top. But I would say also this,
00:39:50Gary, about money itself.
00:39:52I've interviewed thousands of people
00:39:54in 40 years of journalism.
00:39:56Thousands. I've interviewed some of the
00:39:58richest people ever.
00:40:00I've interviewed some very poor
00:40:02people. I've got mates who've got
00:40:04money. I've got mates who've got no money.
00:40:06And the one common denominator I can
00:40:08tell you is you get happy
00:40:10rich people, and you get miserable rich
00:40:12people, and you get happy poor people,
00:40:14and you get miserable poor people.
00:40:16And there's no, to me,
00:40:18there's not a direct correlation.
00:40:20I remember going to South Africa
00:40:22to the townships
00:40:24in Soweto for the first time.
00:40:26And the one thing that struck me, I said
00:40:28this to the people that were showing me around.
00:40:30Funny enough, I was going to interview, hopefully, Mandela.
00:40:32It never came off because he was too sick.
00:40:34But I was there to do the World Cup,
00:40:36and he was going to host it.
00:40:38But what struck me was they were
00:40:40joyous people in the townships.
00:40:42Utterly joyous. Singing, dancing.
00:40:44They had nothing.
00:40:46And I thought about some of the dinner parties
00:40:48I've been to with a lot of rich people.
00:40:50Miserable bastards, all of them.
00:40:52All because they're always constantly
00:40:54chasing the drug of more money,
00:40:56more material things, more whatever.
00:40:58In other words,
00:41:00money is no guarantee
00:41:02whether you have it or not that you're going to be happy.
00:41:04There are many other criteria.
00:41:06I would simply put it to you.
00:41:08I don't know the answer.
00:41:10Could it be other things that have happened to you
00:41:12that have made you feel so
00:41:14angst-ridden about this, rather than actually
00:41:16money?
00:41:18I mean, it could be.
00:41:20Obviously, we're all complicated people.
00:41:22We live long lives.
00:41:24Lots of things happen to us.
00:41:26You must have had miserable and happy people
00:41:28working with you.
00:41:30With three of us here,
00:41:32I suspect three multi-millionaires
00:41:34telling us it's possible
00:41:36to be poor and happy, being watched
00:41:38by a lot of ordinary people
00:41:40who are going to lose their homes.
00:41:42They're going to lose their fucking homes.
00:41:44I've got friends.
00:41:46They don't eat, so the kids can eat.
00:41:48And they think the kids don't notice.
00:41:50The kids fucking notice.
00:41:52You and I...
00:41:54There are more people on food stamps in this country,
00:41:56which is where you're so poor you have to
00:41:58literally queue up and get stamps for food.
00:42:00Which should never be happening in a country like ours.
00:42:02To be clear, I'm not telling anyone to be poor and happy.
00:42:04I want people to be as happy and fulfilled
00:42:06as they possibly can be.
00:42:08What I'm talking about is creating the conditions
00:42:10that will allow people to
00:42:12live a life that they want to live.
00:42:14Create the conditions of the 50s.
00:42:16Create the conditions of the 60s.
00:42:18Your solution, I completely disagree with,
00:42:20which is, oh, let's just take more
00:42:22from those people.
00:42:24If we only give it to the government,
00:42:26whether you're in this country or in my country,
00:42:28I think it's fairly obvious that most of our governments
00:42:30are completely fraudulent
00:42:32and backwards and doing virtually
00:42:34nothing right.
00:42:36Who's doing the taking?
00:42:38Which group in our society is getting richer
00:42:40and which group is getting poorer?
00:42:42Who is doing the taking?
00:42:44I accept that the rich are getting richer
00:42:46and the poor are getting poorer.
00:42:48I'm just here to protect my people.
00:42:50I think we're agreed about the reality.
00:42:52What we're disagreeing about is the solution.
00:42:54The solution is get the government
00:42:56out of the way.
00:42:58If you're defending, stop.
00:43:00The youth in the government should be much more involved.
00:43:02Let me take you there and lead you through the streets of London.
00:43:04I'll show you something.
00:43:06But again, that's because your government
00:43:08clearly has done policies, it seems you both
00:43:10are in agreement on that, that hasn't created
00:43:12the conditions for economic prosperity.
00:43:14You might want to talk about importing people
00:43:16that you then had to put on the dole.
00:43:18They've been slashing the state for 14 years, boss.
00:43:20They slashed the state, they slashed the state,
00:43:22they slashed the state.
00:43:24And now my friends' kids don't have no
00:43:26school, they don't have no local services.
00:43:28The police barely exist.
00:43:30The hospitals aren't working.
00:43:32The schools are shutting down.
00:43:34So if only that system had more money,
00:43:36it would be better?
00:43:38Listen, I don't want the system to have money.
00:43:40I want the people.
00:43:42Funny enough, if you take the NHS,
00:43:44if you take our health system, the NHS,
00:43:46Tony Blair, when he was Prime Minister,
00:43:48pumped billions more into the NHS
00:43:50and it barely touched the size.
00:43:52It didn't deal with the problem
00:43:54of the infrastructure of the NHS.
00:43:56And that was a clear illustration
00:43:58of money, just pumping money into things
00:44:00is not necessarily the answer.
00:44:02Okay, but who are we pumping money into?
00:44:04Well, you are absolutely right.
00:44:06I think we can all agree, we have all agreed.
00:44:08You're right, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer.
00:44:10So what do we do about this?
00:44:12I mean, there is a caveat. There is less child
00:44:14poverty now than there's ever been in the history
00:44:16of the recorded planet.
00:44:18To make you also feel happy,
00:44:20people are living longer than they've ever done in history.
00:44:22They're living healthier because we're curing
00:44:24so many more diseases.
00:44:26Water is a lot cleaner than it's ever been.
00:44:28There are fewer, like, mosquito
00:44:30type diseases out there
00:44:32killing millions of people than there used to be.
00:44:34Etc, etc, etc. There's a very good argument
00:44:36to say that in recorded history
00:44:38there's never been a better time to be alive.
00:44:40That's why I slightly challenge,
00:44:42I would never say, like you say,
00:44:44you'd never say being poor makes you happy. Of course not.
00:44:46But there's, I've yet
00:44:48to see evidence.
00:44:50Your viewers are the richest they've ever been.
00:44:52Is that what you're telling me?
00:44:54No, but I think that there's certainly less
00:44:56child poverty statistically than there's ever been.
00:44:58In the US? Your average American?
00:45:00In the West generally, actually.
00:45:02Your viewers can make their own opinion of that.
00:45:04I want your viewers to ask
00:45:06themselves, do I feel the richest
00:45:08I've ever been?
00:45:10Because I tell you who's the richest they've ever been.
00:45:12Me, and probably you, and probably you, and Donald Trump,
00:45:14and Elon Musk. And in my opinion,
00:45:16what I see, I'm from a poor background.
00:45:18I think you're a great example of somebody
00:45:20who's made something of himself,
00:45:22come from a poor working class
00:45:24background, by your own admission,
00:45:26and you've turned yourself into the best trader in the world.
00:45:28You're a great example. And yet what you seem to be
00:45:30wanting to do is almost retreat
00:45:32from your success.
00:45:34I don't want to tax working people more.
00:45:36I worked hard to drag my family out of poverty.
00:45:38And I paid 50-60% a year
00:45:40tax. At the same time,
00:45:42Duke of Westminster inherits £10 billion
00:45:44more than 3,000 times
00:45:46than I made. Pays nothing.
00:45:48Do you think that's fair? No.
00:45:50Do you think that's fair? No, but again...
00:45:52So let's change it. Let's tax working people less,
00:45:54your viewers less, and let's tax the billionaires more.
00:45:56I would also say they pay
00:45:58no taxes isn't quite right because people pay all
00:46:00sorts of taxes when you're running businesses like payroll
00:46:02taxes and property taxes and
00:46:04everything else. So the no tax thing
00:46:06is a total misnomer. But again,
00:46:08the basic premise of what you're saying, I think, is right.
00:46:10But I would also say that the answer of just
00:46:12throwing money at everything, the example
00:46:14you just laid out. I was with Bobby Kennedy
00:46:16a week or two before he got
00:46:18confirmed. And he brought up something
00:46:20that I thought was quite brilliant. And I think
00:46:22this is why I will take the bet
00:46:24that we just laid out there. Which is that he said
00:46:26in all of his years in public service,
00:46:28and this is a guy that's been doing this for decades,
00:46:30he has never been approached more
00:46:32by, he said,
00:46:34tech leaders and industry leaders
00:46:36and innovators, and he did say
00:46:38millionaires and billionaires, who want
00:46:40to now help the government however
00:46:42they can. We have had a bureaucratic
00:46:44state that has just taken from the people.
00:46:46Suddenly we have people
00:46:48like Bobby Kennedy and like Elon
00:46:50who are volunteering, who could be doing all those
00:46:52other things that Elon could be doing that he probably
00:46:54couldn't be doing. We need more Elon Musk.
00:46:56Exactly. You know what?
00:46:58I'd love to see someone like you get stuck into the
00:47:00NHS and make it a better
00:47:02economic model. You're obviously brilliant at
00:47:04economics, right? We don't have enough
00:47:06brilliant brains sorting out the big
00:47:08problems in this country. One of the reasons I
00:47:10really am excited by the Elon
00:47:12Musk thing in America is at least
00:47:14stuff's getting done at breakneck
00:47:16speed, which should have probably been done
00:47:18decades ago. Now, will it work?
00:47:20I don't know, but I certainly would
00:47:22bet on him to make a real
00:47:24difference for good. And I
00:47:26would bet on you to do that, right? People
00:47:28like you should be getting stuck into
00:47:30issues like the NHS.
00:47:32Big, smart guys who can work it out.
00:47:34Don't be saving 50 billion a day
00:47:36already. We're a month into this
00:47:38already. I would love to be getting stuck in the
00:47:40NHS, you know, if Keir Starmer's listening, give me a
00:47:42call.
00:47:44Listen, I've been to Oxford and I've been to the
00:47:46London School of Economics. Do you want me to tell you where those brilliant
00:47:48minds are? I'll tell you right now, they're the
00:47:50best minds, the smartest young people in this
00:47:52country, in America. They're sitting on trading
00:47:54floors, making five million dollars a year
00:47:56betting on the collapse of your society.
00:47:58Just like I was.
00:48:00All of the smart guys know. All of the
00:48:02smart guys know. The only difference is, I'm
00:48:04the one who's fucking stupid enough to walk away to tell
00:48:06people. That's the only difference. Well, actually,
00:48:08I think, I don't think that makes you stupid
00:48:10at all. I think it's a warning sign we
00:48:12should all take very seriously, because you obviously
00:48:14understand economics very well, and you've been there.
00:48:16I think the only
00:48:18quibble I have, and Dave has it, is about
00:48:20how we resolve this. I'm
00:48:22not convinced that the way you think
00:48:24it can be resolved would actually be as
00:48:26effective as the way we think it could.
00:48:28But we'll see, right?
00:48:30We'll see. The proof will be in the pudding. In the meantime,
00:48:32a trading game by
00:48:34Gary Stevenson. I think we've heard enough to know
00:48:36it's probably a rollicking read.
00:48:38Told us some great stories in it.
00:48:40So, congratulations.
00:48:42Number one bestseller. That's another amazing
00:48:44achievement for a working class boy from Ilford.
00:48:46Thank you. You should be proud.
00:48:48I am, I am. Great to have you on the show.
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00:50:42creative artistic license or
00:50:44blasphemous cultural appropriation?
00:50:46Here to debate this on a host of other cultural
00:50:48matters, sacred and profane,
00:50:50one of YouTube's finest pop culture
00:50:52commentators from the Neurologic channel,
00:50:54the high priest of all things woke,
00:50:56the author of the case of cancel culture,
00:50:58Ernest Owens, the founder of
00:51:00Hollywood Unlocked, Jason Lee,
00:51:02and the host of Fearless on Outkick,
00:51:04Tommy Leyrim. Well, welcome
00:51:06to all of you. All right, let's start with you, Tommy.
00:51:08Haven't seen you for a while in a sense.
00:51:10Welcome back. Love having you.
00:51:12Okay, so Jesus, it turns out, is a
00:51:14black woman. Your thoughts?
00:51:20Well, listen, Piers, you know that I don't
00:51:22like to feign outrage just for
00:51:24the purpose of feigning outrage.
00:51:26So I'll tell you I have a unique take
00:51:28on this and I think you're going to be surprised.
00:51:30So I first of all want to point out the hypocrisy
00:51:32because if this were the other
00:51:34way around and it
00:51:36would be, you know, a white man
00:51:38playing a role that should have gone
00:51:40to maybe a black woman, there would be
00:51:42outrage and hysteria from the left
00:51:44and maybe understandably so.
00:51:46I don't know. But it would be claims of cultural
00:51:48appropriation. We'd never hear the end of it.
00:51:50I don't want to do that, though, because
00:51:52I got to tell you, Piers, when they
00:51:54put on these musicals, these productions,
00:51:56they're probably going to have people from the
00:51:58LGBT community in them.
00:52:00I understand that that's part of the culture
00:52:02of not only Hollywood, but also
00:52:04theater. I think it's a little
00:52:06ridiculous. I obviously think maybe
00:52:08it was also meant to
00:52:10poke the eye of Christians and people
00:52:12that, I don't know, might be followers of Jesus
00:52:14Christ. Maybe that was part of the point.
00:52:16But I'm not going to get outraged just for
00:52:18the case of being outraged. I think that
00:52:20Hollywood and culture and entertainment
00:52:22has lost step with the average person,
00:52:24certainly the average American, long ago.
00:52:26So let them have their freak shows.
00:52:28I'm not going to get too upset about it.
00:52:30Wow.
00:52:32OK. A devastatingly
00:52:34surprising twist to
00:52:36events from a very moderate and
00:52:38reasonable Tomi Lahren about this.
00:52:40I thought you'd be blowing your stack. So, Ernest,
00:52:42my question for you is,
00:52:44so I want to play Nelson Mandela,
00:52:46OK, in a new
00:52:48musical version
00:52:50of his life. You good with that?
00:52:54I mean, personally, I'm not.
00:52:56You're not? You're not good with that?
00:53:00I'm not. Personally,
00:53:02no. Hang on. OK.
00:53:04So that's interesting. So why can't I play
00:53:06Nelson Mandela?
00:53:08I mean,
00:53:10I think that he's a historical figure that
00:53:12people are familiar with. I mean, there are various
00:53:14variations of Jesus. But I'm an actor.
00:53:16We have been seeing in America various white Jews.
00:53:18I'm an actor. I've been in
00:53:20ten movies. They've grossed
00:53:222.6 billion dollars,
00:53:24the movies I've been in. I'm literally one of the
00:53:26biggest box office stars in terms
00:53:28of cameos in the history of movies.
00:53:30So I would like to play Nelson
00:53:32Mandela. Is your objection,
00:53:34be honest, my skin colour,
00:53:36that he's a black icon,
00:53:38quite rightly,
00:53:40is it the fact that I'm a white guy?
00:53:42Is that why I can't play him?
00:53:44I mean, are you trying to make
00:53:46the correlation between Cynthia Erivo?
00:53:48I mean, you can argue that Cynthia Erivo playing Jesus
00:53:50is a gender thing. No, no. Hang on. I'm going to come to that.
00:53:52So which one is it? I'm coming to Cynthia.
00:53:54I'm just asking you, on principle,
00:53:56is your objection to me playing Mandela
00:53:58the fact that I'm white?
00:54:00Be honest.
00:54:02If it's a historical biopic, yes.
00:54:04Because you're not. OK. So therefore, yes. Second question.
00:54:06Second question. Second question.
00:54:08If it was a woman that wanted to
00:54:10play Mandela, how would you feel?
00:54:14Historical figure-wise,
00:54:16if it was a biopic, it would be historically inaccurate,
00:54:18so no. OK, great. So we've established
00:54:20that you don't like people
00:54:22playing roles where they don't have the right
00:54:24skin colour or gender, if we know who
00:54:26that role is, that person.
00:54:28For historical purposes.
00:54:30Because Cleopatra, Elizabeth,
00:54:32you know, Taylor playing Cleopatra
00:54:34was historically inaccurate, and I wasn't a fan
00:54:36of that. Well, they were both women, weren't they?
00:54:38They were both women.
00:54:40If you want to talk about race,
00:54:42for example, Zoe Saldana,
00:54:44you know, doing the dark black face
00:54:46for Nina Simone was also inappropriate.
00:54:48I wasn't a fan of that either.
00:54:50So on Cynthia Erivo, do you have any problem with her?
00:54:52Do you have a problem then with Jesus being
00:54:54played by a black woman?
00:54:58If you understand the theme of it all,
00:55:00of what Jesus Christ Superstar the musical is,
00:55:02and you have that theatrical, historical
00:55:04context behind that musical specifically,
00:55:06then no, I don't have a problem with it
00:55:08because part of it is satirical.
00:55:10So if you understand satire,
00:55:12then you understand why
00:55:14Tomi Lahren is also not giving a damn about it
00:55:16because she understands the context
00:55:18of the musical front. So we can agree on that.
00:55:20Nejotic,
00:55:22where are we with this?
00:55:24Well, I don't have a dog
00:55:26in this fight, and I remember my mom
00:55:28playing Jesus Christ Superstar
00:55:30all the time, and
00:55:32we all know that this isn't the first time
00:55:34a black woman or a woman
00:55:36has played Jesus, and they'll do it a thousand
00:55:38more times. I am from
00:55:40the point of view that when you,
00:55:42because this is an all-female production,
00:55:44apparently, so when you have to gender
00:55:46swap an entire cast, that just means your
00:55:48story is played out.
00:55:50We have Ocean's 8 for one example,
00:55:52Doctor Who for another one,
00:55:54but as far as this is concerned,
00:55:56I really, I just
00:55:58think it's the lowest hanging fruit, and it's such
00:56:00a played out thing in Hollywood.
00:56:02Yes, they're playing to the home team. This is
00:56:04going to be at the Hollywood Bowl,
00:56:06but playing to the
00:56:08home team is one thing. They're trying to
00:56:10piss people off at this point, and I'm just
00:56:12going to say, as a believer in free
00:56:14speech and free expression, let's not
00:56:16stop there. I want to hear Muhammad
00:56:18Superstar. Let's do that play
00:56:20played by all women. Let's go.
00:56:22Let's go all the way on this
00:56:24one. Come on. Let's see what happens, Hollywood.
00:56:26You're so eggy. Let's do it.
00:56:28And actually, you raise a very good
00:56:30point, because they would never dare do that.
00:56:32So it's one rule for
00:56:34Christianity and lampooning
00:56:36and satire. Very, very
00:56:38different rule if it was Islam
00:56:40as the religion that was being
00:56:42mocked in that way.
00:56:44Okay, let's just move to the...
00:56:46Oh, I'm sorry.
00:56:48Jason's with us. I'm so sorry. Jason Lee.
00:56:50Jason, welcome. I'm sorry.
00:56:52Nearly forgot about you, but I
00:56:54rescued him back.
00:56:56I love coming to your show
00:56:58because you always create a
00:57:00controversial conversation. No, you did not
00:57:02just ask a black man if a white
00:57:04man can play Nelson Mandela during Black
00:57:06History Month. I know you didn't just ask that question.
00:57:08Now, you know there's no way in hell
00:57:10we're going to allow that to happen.
00:57:12There's not a white man on this earth
00:57:14that has spent 27 years
00:57:16fighting for freedom like Nelson
00:57:18Mandela did. So why should a black
00:57:20woman play Jesus Christ who is a
00:57:22bloke with a beard?
00:57:24Well, first of all, you talk about choosing two black people
00:57:26on your show right now. Some would argue
00:57:28in the Bible that Jesus was black,
00:57:30but I'm not going to pass to Tommy Loren
00:57:32who had a lot to say at the top about the gays
00:57:34because nobody wants to acknowledge history
00:57:36and the fact is that it is what it is.
00:57:38Now, if you want to read the Bible, if any of you do it,
00:57:40it talks about Jesus having wool hair.
00:57:42I don't know white people with wool hair.
00:57:44I know black people with wool hair, but again, we don't want to
00:57:46describe Jesus as being black.
00:57:48Can we agree, Jason, that Jesus was male?
00:57:50A man?
00:57:52Listen,
00:57:54you can poll 20 people about who
00:57:56Jesus was and you may get 20 different answers.
00:57:58Have you ever heard anyone say he's a woman?
00:58:00Have you ever heard
00:58:02anyone say he's a woman?
00:58:04Passion of the Christ, I didn't see a woman
00:58:06carrying the cross, but Mel Gibson got cancelled
00:58:08right after that movie, so I don't
00:58:10know what is. I can say to me,
00:58:12Jesus is more of energy. Jesus
00:58:14is more of a spiritual being. Jesus
00:58:16can be black. Jesus could be a woman. Jesus
00:58:18could be whoever you want it to be.
00:58:20Jesus was a bloke.
00:58:22He was a man.
00:58:24Not a concept.
00:58:26Was he a white man?
00:58:28It's not a concept.
00:58:30Right. I don't know why
00:58:32we're quibbling. Surely we can all agree
00:58:34he was a man, can't we?
00:58:38But it's not a biopic.
00:58:40It's a satire.
00:58:42It's kind of a biopic.
00:58:44He's not the most famous person in the history
00:58:46of the planet.
00:58:48You gotta lighten up, Pierce.
00:58:50The conversation they really
00:58:52want to have is that this is a DEI hire,
00:58:54that this is a DEI move,
00:58:56because everything right now, we're
00:58:58trying to get it all into the direction of DEI
00:59:00to fall into that national, international...
00:59:02I haven't mentioned DEI.
00:59:04I haven't mentioned it. You're the ones
00:59:06obsessed with DEI, which I think has always been
00:59:08a ridiculous thing, because all it ever did
00:59:10was promote... Who came up with it?
00:59:12All it ever did was promote mediocrity over meritocracy.
00:59:14I just don't like it. I don't like anything that does that.
00:59:16It was never about
00:59:18inclusion. If anything, it was about
00:59:20excluding people. That was the whole point.
00:59:22If you were a white bloke, DEI
00:59:24wanted you excluded.
00:59:26We could debate DEI all day,
00:59:28but people who are fighting about DEI are still
00:59:30trying to find affordable eggs in our country.
00:59:32You know what I mean? Right now, we have a president
00:59:34who's passing plastic straws and not focusing
00:59:36on the needs of America, but that's a whole other show.
00:59:38I think Cynthia Erivo is...
00:59:40Why don't I ask her?
00:59:42I think she's an amazing talent.
00:59:44I can't wait to see her play Jesus.
00:59:46Again, who's been president for four years
00:59:48when the price of eggs reached the price of eggs?
00:59:52I don't need to eat eggs like that.
00:59:54I'm sorry. I haven't brought that up.
00:59:56Well, you raised the price of eggs.
00:59:58Joe Biden's on vacation. Let's let Joe sleep.
01:00:00So it wasn't the guy who's actually been in charge
01:00:02for four years. He's been sleeping for four years,
01:00:04so he'll just continue it.
01:00:06Let's turn to something less contentious.
01:00:08Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively
01:00:10and Justin Baldoni.
01:00:12So the SNL had its
01:00:14anniversary party.
01:00:16All of Hollywood's great and good were there,
01:00:18and there was this weird clip of Ryan Reynolds.
01:00:20Let's take a look.
01:00:22I have a question.
01:00:24Oh, hey, Ryan Reynolds.
01:00:26Hey, hey.
01:00:28Ryan Reynolds, how's it going?
01:00:30Great. Why? What have you heard?
01:00:32LAUGHTER
01:00:38Now, Tommy, I don't know about you,
01:00:40I felt very awkward watching that
01:00:42on a number of levels.
01:00:44I felt like Kevin Costner, who went viral
01:00:46because he just was staring at them both
01:00:48in total, like, bemusement,
01:00:50because they've tried to make out
01:00:52that this case against Justin Baldoni
01:00:54is about appalling sexual harassment.
01:00:56Why are they turning that
01:00:58into the subject of a little skit at SNL?
01:01:04Yeah, I think Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively
01:01:06both are desperate to revamp their public image,
01:01:08and I think that they really overplayed their hand.
01:01:10I think that they're both bullies,
01:01:12and I think that they thought they were going to silence somebody
01:01:14by throwing around the old
01:01:16Me Too argument and delegitimizing people
01:01:18that have actually gone through traumatic experiences
01:01:20and assault and harassment,
01:01:22and I thought because they think
01:01:24because they were Hollywood's golden couple
01:01:26and they were sitting in Super Bowl suites
01:01:28with Taylor Swift that they could get away with it
01:01:30because they could just run the game,
01:01:32and it turns out Justin Baldoni wasn't going to play that game.
01:01:34He wasn't going to allow himself to be bullied
01:01:36into silence, and I think Blake Lively
01:01:38and Ryan Reynolds both have egg
01:01:40on their face now. They look ridiculous,
01:01:42and they're desperate to seem like
01:01:44they're this fun, lighthearted couple,
01:01:46but really, I think that their cultural
01:01:48relevance is going out pretty
01:01:50quickly here, kind of like the Democrat Party,
01:01:52and I think they're desperate at this point.
01:01:54I think it's awkward, and I think
01:01:56soon we won't have to deal with either one of them
01:01:58being all over everything all the time.
01:02:00Yeah, I mean, Jason, it is extraordinary
01:02:02because the more they bang on,
01:02:04the worse the hole gets dug
01:02:06because it's just all
01:02:08cringe-making. No one's really buying
01:02:10any of it. All the evidence that emerges
01:02:12for its text messages, video footage,
01:02:14whatever, contradicts everything that
01:02:16they've been claiming.
01:02:18Shouldn't they just admit that this is
01:02:20going nowhere and get out of it?
01:02:22No, this is rich people
01:02:24problems. Listen, they look
01:02:26good together. They're still rich. They're still famous.
01:02:28They're in rooms that the lady that just spoke
01:02:30can never get in, and somehow she connected
01:02:32that to the Democratic Party because everything
01:02:34in the world that's going wrong is the
01:02:36Democrats' fault. That was just stupid.
01:02:38But listen, this is rich people problems.
01:02:40Blake is beautiful. Her husband
01:02:42is super successful. I'm proud to see
01:02:44that they don't care and can laugh at themselves
01:02:46and continue to be rich and famous
01:02:48and fabulous while we sit here and talk about
01:02:50the price of eggs and Democrats.
01:02:52Okay. Nedronik?
01:02:54Oh, I think it's...
01:02:56Actually, I don't think this story's going away
01:02:58anytime soon considering the court cases
01:03:00in March of 2026
01:03:02and TikTok,
01:03:04which I'm a famous TikToker, by the way,
01:03:06almost as much as I'm an Africa expert,
01:03:08is all over this, and
01:03:10that's why it's still a story.
01:03:12Again, I don't have a dog in this
01:03:14fight. I'm going to just break out my popcorn.
01:03:16I'll agree. It's rich people problems,
01:03:18but that's the currency they're trading on.
01:03:20It's not money. As you know, it's ego.
01:03:22And this is going to really hurt
01:03:24Blake Lively's
01:03:26career, Ryan Reynolds.
01:03:28To what effect? I don't know.
01:03:30Justin Buldani, we know with Amber Heard
01:03:32and Johnny Depp, I was Team Depp,
01:03:34it didn't help either of them at the end.
01:03:36Depp was exonerated,
01:03:38but nobody apologized to him like they
01:03:40should have, and at the end,
01:03:42everybody's going to be, well, they're going to have a lot less money.
01:03:44The lawyers are going to be
01:03:46richer, but as far
01:03:48as public perception is concerned, they're
01:03:50definitely on Buldani's side.
01:03:52Yeah, I think that's right.
01:03:54The thing I was struck by
01:03:56was just, it kind of confirms
01:03:58a lot of what people have suspected
01:04:00about Hollywood, is that they talk to each
01:04:02other in this completely fake,
01:04:04obsequious manner, and then
01:04:06on a dime, it
01:04:08all turns into visceral hatred
01:04:10and this desire to destroy
01:04:12each other in the way that we saw play out.
01:04:14You know what? Pierce,
01:04:16Pierce, Pierce, totally, totally agree
01:04:18with what you just said, and this
01:04:20year, we honored Jonathan Majors
01:04:22at our award show, the Hollywood Unlocked Impact Awards,
01:04:24and everybody was mad that we were honoring Jonathan Majors.
01:04:26And then, on the other side of that
01:04:28cancellation, you know,
01:04:30he was acquitted of all those charges, and then
01:04:32everybody was forgiven and now wants to be his
01:04:34friend again. It's so fake that, you know,
01:04:36again, I don't like trying people in the court of
01:04:38public opinion, because we never really know until
01:04:40the conclusion of it all, and then, even then, nobody
01:04:42will care. Look at what happened with Jay-Z and
01:04:44the 13-year-old, right? All the people were talking
01:04:46about it, and then the minute those charges
01:04:48got dropped, nobody really talked about it.
01:04:50Ernest?
01:04:52Okay, but what I would say about that, anyway,
01:04:54was that I think the problem is we focus
01:04:56too much on conflating
01:04:58celebrities' experiences
01:05:00with everyday people's experiences, right?
01:05:02So, two things can be true at the same
01:05:04time, right? There could be some serious
01:05:06Me Too incidents that take place, that happens
01:05:08in everyday life, but activists and other
01:05:10folks sometimes will let celebrities
01:05:12be the vehicle for what those
01:05:14issues are, okay? What happens
01:05:16to everyday people in situations where there's
01:05:18abuse of power or sexual abuse, those
01:05:20still things are still legitimate, and they don't
01:05:22decide off of whether a celebrity situation
01:05:24is true or not true, or happened or didn't
01:05:26happen. I think that's what happens a lot in
01:05:28media, is that there's too much of a conflation
01:05:30of, like, if Blake Lively
01:05:32is doing the most, that does not
01:05:34speak to the real issues that happen with people
01:05:36that are not as famous, and I think
01:05:38too many people put too much of their bets
01:05:40and laurels on these celebrities to
01:05:42define the moment or not, and I think
01:05:44that's just too much. Let's turn to another fake
01:05:46in Hollywood, or near Hollywood,
01:05:48Meghan Markle.
01:05:50She's issued
01:05:52a video statement,
01:05:54one of many, there's been a flurry recently,
01:05:56all of them hilarious, but not for the reasons
01:05:58that she would have hoped,
01:06:00saying her new Netflix show that was
01:06:02going to be called, or based around her
01:06:04American Riviera Orchard brand,
01:06:06the new Martha Stewart, has now
01:06:08been replaced by As Ever
01:06:10as the brand, and
01:06:12As Ever, we're all laughing at the video,
01:06:14which is the irony.
01:06:16The show's been delayed
01:06:18due out in March because of the fires
01:06:20in LA, obviously.
01:06:22I want to play a clip of this, just to
01:06:24get your reaction to it.
01:06:26It's recording.
01:06:28Cat's out of the bag. I'm shocked
01:06:30we've kept this a secret for so long.
01:06:32My business, which I think there's been a lot of
01:06:34curiosity about, I thought about it,
01:06:36and I've been waiting
01:06:38for a moment to share a name that I'd
01:06:40secured in 2022, and
01:06:42this is the moment, and it's called As Ever.
01:06:44Of course there will be fruit
01:06:46preserves. I think we're all clear at this point
01:06:48that jam is my jam, but there's so many
01:06:50more products that I just love that I use
01:06:52in my home, and now it's time to share it with you.
01:06:54So I can't wait for you to see it. Thanks, guys.
01:06:56I mean, Tommy, everything about it
01:06:58just makes me cringe, but obviously I'm not
01:07:00an impartial observer here.
01:07:02What do you make of it?
01:07:06Well, listen, every time we talk about
01:07:08Meghan Markle, it's really just to make fun of
01:07:10her, and that's where the clips go most viral,
01:07:12is on social media, for people
01:07:14to literally just make fun of
01:07:16her. She's so disconnected, and I'll tell you,
01:07:18I don't really care what she does. I don't care
01:07:20how hard she tries to revamp her
01:07:22image. I think that she is like the Colin
01:07:24Kaepernick of Hollywood
01:07:26or entertainment at this point. No one really
01:07:28cares. She took a stance, and
01:07:30no one really remembers what that was
01:07:32or can make sense of it, but I'll also
01:07:34say this. What really bothered
01:07:36me is when she did the little destruction
01:07:38tour in L.A. with the wildfires
01:07:40to get her little moment when
01:07:42people were actually struggling and people
01:07:44actually lost everything, and then they
01:07:46had to trot out there with their PR
01:07:48campaign and make light of it and make themselves
01:07:50seem like heroes, just getting
01:07:52in the way of people who were actually trying to help.
01:07:54That, to me, was a bridge
01:07:56too far, but otherwise, I think
01:07:58nobody's going to watch the Netflix show.
01:08:00I also think she's lazy,
01:08:02as evidenced by her various
01:08:04other media deals that she didn't fulfill.
01:08:06So, best of luck to her. I think
01:08:08that, like Blake Lively and the rest of
01:08:10them, she's got maybe six months
01:08:12to a year left where anyone actually cares
01:08:14what she's doing, so she better live it up while
01:08:16she can with her fruit preserves.
01:08:18With her jam, because jam
01:08:20is her jam, Ernest. What's that,
01:08:22Ernest? No.
01:08:24I was going to say, not as long as
01:08:26Pierce Uncensored has a show, she'll
01:08:28be talked about for on and on.
01:08:30Two years ago, when I first came on this
01:08:32show, you love her.
01:08:34You love her, Pierce.
01:08:36Tell you what I feel like, Ernest. I feel like
01:08:38Pacino in Godfather 3.
01:08:40When he finally says,
01:08:42every time I try and leave this,
01:08:44the mafia world, they suck me back in.
01:08:46It's a bit like that with Harry and Meghan.
01:08:48You cannot go more than
01:08:50two weeks without them doing something
01:08:52stupid that you can't help
01:08:54talking about, because it's all over the media.
01:08:56You can pretend that no one's talking
01:08:58about it, but they're everywhere.
01:09:00But you're a part of the media,
01:09:02and you know you amplify it,
01:09:04because you still got the heart swung for her,
01:09:06and you let her go.
01:09:08I love that theory. It always makes me
01:09:10laugh so much. You obviously never met
01:09:12my wife, have you?
01:09:14I mean...
01:09:16Have you, Ernest?
01:09:18But I'm just saying,
01:09:20you will not stop by her.
01:09:22Alright, let me bring in Jason.
01:09:24The only time I've ever
01:09:26been on a show where people have had
01:09:28this much disdain for
01:09:30Meghan Markle has been this show, and I agree
01:09:32with the guy who just spoke. I think that
01:09:34there's somewhere she has a special place
01:09:36in your cold, cold heart.
01:09:38But listen, Tommy, you know,
01:09:40Tommy, I think the thing, you know,
01:09:42because I think Tommy's a beautiful woman. I've
01:09:44watched Tommy on social media for a long time,
01:09:46and I can't wait to get in a room with you
01:09:48one day.
01:09:50It's the thing
01:09:52about... Well, I'm gay, so it's not
01:09:54anything sexual. Let me say the thing
01:09:56that I love
01:09:58about Meghan Markle,
01:10:00the thing I love about Meghan Markle is she can literally
01:10:02be sitting in a flower bed in her garden
01:10:04talking about how happy she is with her man,
01:10:06and Tommy and Pierce will still find
01:10:08something negative to say about the woman.
01:10:10What is wrong? Why is there hate?
01:10:12What is the hate about?
01:10:14I don't even hate them.
01:10:16I just think they're ridiculous people,
01:10:18and the reason I dislike them
01:10:20is because of what they did to the royal family
01:10:22here in the monarchy. You guys wouldn't
01:10:24understand it. You ran out the country. Hang on.
01:10:26You ran out the country. You ran out the UK.
01:10:28You're still bothering her. I haven't finished
01:10:30talking. And the last time I was here,
01:10:32I told you the royal family
01:10:34still ain't returned them blood diamonds to Africa.
01:10:36I told you the royal family
01:10:38still hasn't apologized for Diana.
01:10:40I mean, the royal family,
01:10:42that's a whole show, Pierce.
01:10:44Meghan didn't do anything but try to be the next
01:10:46queen, and they ran her up out of there.
01:10:48No, you could not
01:10:50be more wrong. Honestly,
01:10:52you guys have no idea.
01:10:54You guys have no idea what happened
01:10:56with these two and the monarchy.
01:10:58They spent all their time
01:11:00trashing the royal family and the monarchy,
01:11:02and now they want to live off their royal titles
01:11:04and make money being low-rent
01:11:06celebrities. Good luck to them,
01:11:08but I will call them out to my heart's
01:11:10content, my little soft heart's
01:11:12content.
01:11:14I love how that female
01:11:16Jesus that we pray to just
01:11:18kicked Tommy out the show. Where'd she go?
01:11:20Tommy just disappeared. It's a bit like that moment
01:11:22in Star Trek when they get
01:11:24zapped upstairs.
01:11:26I won't bore you or insult
01:11:28your intelligence by asking you for a comment
01:11:30on the royals. They're not even royals
01:11:32as far as I'm concerned. George Clooney
01:11:34though, interesting, appeared on
01:11:36Colbert and said this.
01:11:38This is democracy,
01:11:40and this is how it works.
01:11:42How'd it go this time for you? I forgot who you were supporting.
01:11:44What am I supposed to do? Storm the f***ing
01:11:46capital?
01:11:48It didn't work out?
01:11:50That's what happens.
01:11:52Power kind of hates the fourth estate.
01:11:54My father's an anchorman and a newsman,
01:11:56and we've always believed in the idea
01:11:58of when the other
01:12:00three estates, the judiciary
01:12:02branch and the executive branch,
01:12:04when they all fail you,
01:12:06you really need that fourth estate.
01:12:08It has to be the people that can hold people
01:12:10to account.
01:12:12The thing I think, following on
01:12:14from Jon Stewart, who also
01:12:16overnight said the liberals
01:12:18have got to stop calling Trump and his supporters
01:12:20fascist, because it diminishes the power
01:12:22of the word. I'm getting a feeling
01:12:24that leading Democrats
01:12:26or liberals are getting the
01:12:28memo, albeit belatedly,
01:12:30that they've got to change
01:12:32tack, particularly in the way they deal with
01:12:34Trump, because the majority
01:12:36of Americans voted for him.
01:12:38They did,
01:12:40and proudly, and he's doing what they
01:12:42voted for, whether some people like it or not,
01:12:44but that's a clear reaction to what's happened,
01:12:46particularly over the last four years,
01:12:48where the fourth estate was
01:12:50working with the state.
01:12:52That's been part of the problem, and
01:12:54with USAID,
01:12:56well, I'll say USAID, I have another word for it,
01:12:58and their work with
01:13:00Politico, that's just peeling back a
01:13:02little bit of the curtain of
01:13:04the buggery
01:13:06that was going on between
01:13:08corporate media and the government,
01:13:10and it should be disturbing
01:13:12to everyone, because if one
01:13:14side can do it, then the other
01:13:16side can do it, and we don't want either
01:13:18side to do it. We want there to be a fourth estate,
01:13:20but it hasn't existed in America
01:13:22in a long time. There's no
01:13:24objectivity in journalism.
01:13:26I wish there was, and we're starting to
01:13:28find it through independent journalists, because
01:13:30they filled the vacuum
01:13:32that the corporate media had left behind
01:13:34a long time ago, and this has
01:13:36been a long time building up in our country, and
01:13:38you're dealing with some of the consequences
01:13:40in your country right now.
01:13:42We still have some free speech here.
01:13:44I'm not sure if you will
01:13:46agree with me, but
01:13:48it's been very much longer. What's happening
01:13:50in Germany is disturbing. What's happening
01:13:52in the UK is disturbing.
01:13:54I don't know if people are getting
01:13:56arrested, but even getting a ticket for
01:13:58a meme, we're in demolition, man,
01:14:00at this point.
01:14:02I would say a lot of that stuff has been
01:14:04wildly exaggerated, and there are
01:14:06key facts missing, but some of the
01:14:08stories involving
01:14:10people in this country,
01:14:12the UK, being arrested for stuff they put
01:14:14out, I think we need to defend free speech
01:14:16more passionately than this and pick our battles.
01:14:18Ernest,
01:14:20people like Clooney,
01:14:22Jon Stewart and others, they're big leading
01:14:24lights of the Democrats, and they're
01:14:26clearly signalling there's got to be
01:14:28a change in the way the Democrats
01:14:30deal with Trump this time around.
01:14:32They can't just spend four years calling him
01:14:34a Nazi, calling him a fascist, screaming
01:14:36and screaming and screaming. You've got to
01:14:38actually deal with him a different way.
01:14:40What do you think of that?
01:14:42You can take a look in the mirror.
01:14:44I think they were the ones that drove
01:14:46a lot of that kind of rhetoric.
01:14:48They didn't amplify
01:14:50certain other voices.
01:14:52Tommy is back, by the way.
01:14:54Breaking news. Tommy is rejoining
01:14:56us, like another scene
01:14:58out of Star Trek.
01:15:00Cool.
01:15:02Tommy, are you with us?
01:15:04Right, so, yes.
01:15:06I am back.
01:15:08We were terrified. You suddenly got just
01:15:10as if you'd been
01:15:12snatched by aliens.
01:15:16Well, listen,
01:15:18the technical end,
01:15:20you guys didn't extend my window long enough,
01:15:22but I have a lot to say. I've been listening.
01:15:24I haven't missed a beat, and you guys
01:15:26are right into my area now, because
01:15:28I cannot wait to defend our wonderful
01:15:30President Donald J. Trump. So you just
01:15:32let me know, Piers, where you'd like me to
01:15:34pick up. Okay, great. Well, let's just let Ernest
01:15:36finish. So, in a nutshell,
01:15:38I think the thing is that someone said
01:15:40earlier that he's doing exactly what people want.
01:15:42You know, right now, there is departments
01:15:44in science that's trying to find cures
01:15:46to certain cancers, and right now
01:15:48they may not be able to get there to find
01:15:50the cure, because a lot of people are getting laid off
01:15:52and getting fired and everything else. So I don't
01:15:54know if that's what a lot of people want, because I think
01:15:56we all want cures to cancers and other diseases,
01:15:58whether you're Republican or Democrat. I don't think that's
01:16:00what people want. 200,000 jobs
01:16:02that are sliced, not all 200,000
01:16:04jobs that belong to liberals or
01:16:06progressives, but 200,000 jobs
01:16:08that belong to families that are in Virginia
01:16:10and other areas. I don't think a lot of people wanted that
01:16:12as well. Okay. I don't know if everything
01:16:14that you're claiming people want is what people want.
01:16:16Alright, Tommy, before you respond to that, I want to play
01:16:18another clip from the SNL night, which has
01:16:20got a lot of traction, which is Tom Hanks
01:16:22apparently mocking MAGA.
01:16:26You know, I gotta tell you, I love those
01:16:28movies. I bought a box set at Walmart
01:16:30and if I can laugh
01:16:32and pray in 90 minutes,
01:16:34that is money well spent.
01:16:36Oh, you know what, sir, I really appreciate you saying that.
01:16:38I like that.
01:16:40It's all good.
01:16:42It's all good.
01:16:44It's all good.
01:16:46It's all good.
01:16:48Now, they claim, Tommy,
01:16:50it was sort of misconstrued and misrepresented.
01:16:52It was about actually people coming together, but
01:16:54the clips have gone out and everyone's
01:16:56taking it as a mockery of MAGA
01:16:58and I contrast that with what
01:17:00Clooney said on Colbert and what
01:17:02Jon Stewart has said.
01:17:04You've got competing liberal celebrity
01:17:06views of handling this.
01:17:08What do you make of it?
01:17:12Well, I'll tell you this. I think they were trying to resurrect
01:17:14an old SNL skit, but
01:17:16with Tom Hanks coming out in the MAGA hat,
01:17:18we know that he's got Trump derangement syndrome.
01:17:20He hates Donald Trump. He's trying to play a character
01:17:22again because all Trump supporters
01:17:24must be white men who wear
01:17:26American flag T-shirts
01:17:28and a MAGA hat and they must be
01:17:30redneck. Oh, yes, we get it.
01:17:32But what they're conveniently ignoring, and they
01:17:34love to do this on the left, is that
01:17:36Donald Trump gained with almost every single
01:17:38demographic group, if not every single
01:17:40demographic group, so conservatives
01:17:42don't just come in that package. They come
01:17:44in the shape of black women,
01:17:46Latino men. They come in even
01:17:48in the form of they-thems, right? There are
01:17:50Trump supporters from every walk of life,
01:17:52but Hollywood doesn't get this
01:17:54because Hollywood, they just sit and they talk
01:17:56to each other. They all voted for Kamala
01:17:58Harris. They all covered
01:18:00for Joe Biden. And now, once
01:18:02again, the only thing they can do, the only thing
01:18:04they can pluck from is the lowest hanging
01:18:06fruit. Oh, yes, Trump supporters
01:18:08must be racist. It's old, it's tired,
01:18:10it's played out. It's not 2017
01:18:12anymore. It's time to catch
01:18:14up with reality. Jason?
01:18:16Well, I
01:18:18listen, this is going to be shocking. I
01:18:20almost agree with Tommy in some of what
01:18:22she said because
01:18:24no, no, but I will say that
01:18:26Trump has taken
01:18:28the veil of racism off in America
01:18:30and allowed it to live in the public
01:18:32and right in our face more than
01:18:34it ever has. To her point,
01:18:36yes, black people, Latino people,
01:18:38gay, them, they, they
01:18:40all voted for Trump. And guess what? They're all
01:18:42on social media crying every day because their
01:18:44abuelita's getting sent somewhere.
01:18:46A young girl just committed suicide
01:18:48because her parents were going to get deported.
01:18:50No price of eggs have gone down.
01:18:52No gas has gone down. Nothing
01:18:54has happened to benefit the poor people that voted
01:18:56for this billionaire and his billionaire
01:18:58friends. And guess what? It's only going
01:19:00to get worse. And I can't wait to watch it
01:19:02because every day I go to social media and say,
01:19:04y'all voted for it. Now to
01:19:06the Democrats, where they're messing
01:19:08up is, what Trump is doing is
01:19:10Trump is speaking directly to his base
01:19:12and he knows how to get people going on
01:19:14what his messaging is.
01:19:16While the Democrats want to find celebrities who
01:19:18will twerk for a message and I don't agree with that.
01:19:20And that is why the Democrats
01:19:22took a big L this this election
01:19:24cycle. And, you know, they got two years to make up
01:19:26for it, but they need to put Jasmine Crockett
01:19:28and the tonality of a Jasmine Crockett
01:19:30at the forefront of the fight for democracy.
01:19:32I want to end just very quickly
01:19:34with Nidroti. Please do. Please
01:19:36Pierce. I just want to make a plea.
01:19:38Please, Democrats run Jasmine
01:19:40Crockett, runner for president in
01:19:422028. I'm just
01:19:44pleading with you. Have a Jasmine Crockett
01:19:46AOC ticket. You couldn't handle
01:19:48Jasmine Crockett on any show.
01:19:50Jasmine Crockett AOC ticket.
01:19:52Bad built, bleached, blonde, any moment
01:19:54so you don't want that argument. I can tell you right now.
01:19:56I just want to end very, very quickly
01:19:58Nidroti. Disney are rumored to be
01:20:00dumping Doctor Who, one of the longest
01:20:02running shows obviously
01:20:04ever pretty much.
01:20:06Because of the insane
01:20:08wokery that engulfed the brand.
01:20:10The Doctor falling in love with Isaac Newton
01:20:12who was also race swapped to be black.
01:20:14A lecture from a Doctor Psychic on how
01:20:16male identifying Time Lords
01:20:18have problems sharing power.
01:20:20A DEI Dalek whining
01:20:22because they were bullied. Multiple
01:20:24stories featuring the future death of planet Earth
01:20:26because of climate change
01:20:28and casting a drag queen as the god of music.
01:20:30Are you as surprised
01:20:32as me that it's having trouble?
01:20:34Not surprised at all, Pierce.
01:20:36I've been a big fan of this show
01:20:38all of my life. One of the longest running
01:20:40science fiction shows of all time. A staple
01:20:42in British
01:20:44culture. To the point where
01:20:46one episode was watched by almost one
01:20:48sixth of your entire country and now
01:20:50it's fallen to it's
01:20:52like it's past dead
01:20:54it's not even a zombie franchise as my good
01:20:56friend Mahler pointed out. We're now on
01:20:58an archeological dig, just digging this
01:21:00thing up, looking at it's skeleton, looking
01:21:02at the bones. And Disney
01:21:04actually, it was going to get cancelled
01:21:06until Disney picked it up. And it looks
01:21:08like Disney wants to get rid of it. I don't know
01:21:10if all these reports are true but it is way past
01:21:12it's expiration date.
01:21:14We've reached the point of
01:21:16Doctor Who, that's wokeism
01:21:18It strikes again.
01:21:20Thank you all to my panel.
01:21:22Great that you reappeared
01:21:24Tommy. I was very worried there for a moment.
01:21:26But you zapped back
01:21:28and were in full glory.
01:21:30So thank you all very much. Good to see you all.
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