Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Sunday hit out at the Opposition for allegedly mocking religious traditions and attempting to divide society.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching To The Point, I'm Preeti Chaudhary.
00:03From now on, viewers, To The Point is a one-hour wheel where we'll have two debates, our two
00:08top stories today, the Mahakumar, the politics around it, criticism, constructive or cynical.
00:15On the other hand, first day of the Delhi Assembly and fireworks, all of that coming
00:19up.
00:20First up, allow me to take you through the headlines.
00:27Ruckus inside Delhi Assembly on first day of new session, Aam Aadmi Party MLA's claim
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00:38no portrait removed.
00:43Amidst USAID showdown, Finance Ministry says no US funds for water turnout last year reveals
00:49$750 million US funds used in welfare projects.
00:53Yogi slams opposition over politics over Kumbh says vultures only saw dead bodies.
01:07Lokayut ignores E.D. probe, asks Siddharam Iyer 30 questions in Muda case, Chief Minister
01:12says no role in Vypes Landi.
01:18India's most famous influencers in trouble after latent row, Ranbir Allahbadia, Ashish
01:24Chanchlani appear before Maharashtra cyber cell to record their statements.
01:32India today's operation junkie impact licenses of 40 Amritsar travel agents revoked for facilitating
01:40illegal travel to US, notice issued to 270 others by Punjab cops.
01:50Park terror alert during champions trophy, park intel body, wands of Islamic state kidnap
01:55plot, foreign cricket fans in Pakistan on terror radar.
02:10All right, moving on to our top focus, our big debate this evening.
02:14We've seen a fair amount of criticism that has come at the back of the Mahakam.
02:18The opposition says, is it criminal to criticize mismanagement?
02:23But you have it very clearly.
02:24The UP chief minister as well as the prime minister today tore into the opposition, calling
02:29them anti-Hindu.
02:30Mahakam, Mahapolitics, Mahafaceoff, all culminating on the final holy dip of Mahashivratri.
02:59Prime Minister Modi charging at the opposition, calling opposition's criticism, anti-Hindu,
03:07alleging slavery mindset of opposition, insinuating a foreign hand in maligning the Mahakam.
03:21Opposition hit back, claiming calling out mismanagement is not anti-sanatani.
03:27The Mahakam faceoff top focus on to the point this evening.
03:32All right, so what exactly is it that the prime minister sets two days running?
03:38The prime minister has targeted the opposition, namely Congress Samajwadi Party, TMC, Mamta
03:42Banerjee, even Lalu Yadav today in Bihar, calling them anti-Hindu and playing in the
03:48hands of foreign powers to discredit Indian faith.
04:23in Bihar, calling them anti-Hindu and playing in the hands of foreign powers to discredit
04:34Indian faith.
04:35In Bihar, calling them anti-Hindu and playing in the hands of foreign powers to discredit
04:46Indian faith.
05:15The opposition was quick to come back, saying, we've called out the mismanagement at the
05:21Kumbh.
05:22How is this anti-sanatani?
05:23Listen in to Pawan Khaira.
05:45All right, so the big questions that we ask this evening is the opposition on anti-Kumbh
05:56hysteria to discredit the BJP government.
05:59Is the BJP using devotee belief to mask administrative failure?
06:04The other big questions that we are asking is raising Kumbh mismanagement anti-Hindu.
06:11Is Kumbh criticism constructive or cynical?
06:24All right, let's take these big questions to our panelists this evening.
06:28Joining me, Rajat Sethi, political commentator, Rashu Tosh, author, political analyst, Dr.
06:32Pooja Tripathi, National Spokesperson, Congress, Charu Pragya, National Spokesperson, BJP.
06:39Let's begin with Charu Pragya, who's with us.
06:40Charu Pragya, concerted attack by the Prime Minister yesterday as well, and even today
06:45when he was in Bihar, calling the opposition anti-Hindu, playing in the hands of foreign
06:50powers to discredit faith.
06:52Charu Pragya, the big question here could also be, if you call out mismanagement, how
06:57does that make one anti-Hindu?
06:58All right, we don't have Charu Pragya with us.
07:08All right, let's cut across.
07:12We don't have Charu Pragya.
07:13Let's cut across to our Congress spokesperson, Dr. Pooja Tripathi, National Spokesperson,
07:19Congress, who's joining us right now.
07:21Pooja Tripathi, repeatedly you've had the Prime Minister who's called out the opposition,
07:28including your political outfit, for trying to A, defame the Hindu faith, to having a
07:36slavery mindset, where you will go at any lengths to discredit the government just
07:41because it's holding a festival like the Kumbh.
07:44Preeti, Kumbh, or for that matter, any religious congregation that celebrates devotion, that
07:52celebrates religion, and celebrates this Aastha Kapar, what we say, Bharatiya Janata Party
07:59does not have a copyright to it.
08:02The irony is, Prime Minister Modi ji said this statement, sharing the state with Acharya
08:07Duryodhana Shastri, who went on to say that those who were killed in stampede, those who
08:12were dead in stampede, attained moksha and were not dead.
08:16So does Prime Minister confer to this absolutely ridiculous insensitive statements by Acharya
08:21Duryodhana Shastri?
08:22The point here is, any question asked on mismanagement, any question asked on fixing accountability,
08:30any question asked on why there is demarcation of VIP Ghats and Ghats for general public,
08:36any question asked on why there have been misarriyas attempt to, you know, give a cover
08:41up on the number of casualties, be it on the New Delhi stampede, Railway Ministry goes
08:47on to say that's a stampede-like situation, and on Mouni Amavasya, anything is anti-Sanatan.
08:54Any question that you ask, any suggestion that you put across is anti-Sanatan, and this
09:00goes on to say that this is the, it's just a political score point.
09:03Pooja Tripathi, you know what I'm going to do is, I'm going to, I'm going to take a quick
09:06break here, because we'll just play out at the back of which the Prime Minister and many
09:11BJP leaders have called out the opposition, suggesting that, you know, you can't discredit
09:17the Kumbh.
09:18Call out the mismanagement, but don't politicize it, what they're saying.
09:22And you know, we're going to cut across to Mamata Banerjee, who called the Mahakumbh
09:26Mritukumbh, and which was seconded by Akhilesh Yadav, listen in on the response of Yogi Adityanath
09:32at the back of it.
09:33Mahakumbh abhi nahiba gollam, otta kund mithtu kumbh hohe gachi.
09:34Mithtu kumbher motu, ami Mahakumbh ko sharmankon.
09:35Ami shraddha jarai, pavitra kanga maa ko ami sharmankori.
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17:59BJP did go after the Samajwadi Party Government.
18:02I started off with that, that the opposition's job is to criticise, that's fine.
18:05I started off with that, that the opposition's job is to criticise, that's fine.
18:08But also, you don't have to like perpetually go after the entire event itself.
18:11Mahakumbh has genuine feelings associated with large proportions of the Hindu followers in our country.
18:14Mahakumbh has genuine feelings associated with large proportions of the Hindu followers in our country.
18:17Mahakumbh has genuine feelings associated with large proportions of the Hindu followers in our country.
18:20If you want to do that, it will come at your political cost. Be prepared for that.
18:23If not, if you want to, you know, swing by that, you have to ensure that you're also coming up with some level of
18:26If not, if you want to, you know, swing by that, you have to ensure that you're also coming up with some level of
18:29constructive cooperation on the Mahakumbh.
18:32If you can't do that, rather be quiet.
18:35Alright, Dr. Pooja Tripathi, let me hark back to what happened this morning.
18:38Alright, Dr. Pooja Tripathi, let me hark back to what happened this morning.
18:41You have the Prime Minister who's practically gone and sounded the pole bugle in Bihar
18:44and he opens with how the leaders in Bihar
18:47and he opens with how the leaders in Bihar
18:50harking back to the era of Jungle Raj or the alleged Jungle Raj which he calls it
18:53harking back to the era of Jungle Raj or the alleged Jungle Raj which he calls it
18:56have disrespected Kumbh, disrespected Aastha which is faith
18:59therefore, politically, the BJP is going to use it
19:02therefore, politically, the BJP is going to use it and they are using it as we speak.
19:05BJP is definitely going to use it
19:08because we are not raising questions on Kumbh
19:11we are raising questions on when this did this culture of
19:14hiding the casualties, hiding the whole stampede that
19:17occurred at Jhusi, occurred
19:20to say, sab kuch control mein hai, even the railway ministry. Thanks to social media,
19:24thanks to the independent reporting that, you know, the pictures and the videos and
19:28everything came out. And you, and Yogi Adityanath today said about vultures and pigs. Would
19:33you go and say this to a, to the, you know, the victims of New Delhi stampede, the 12-year-old
19:39Neeraj, the 10-year-old Pankaj, the 8-year-old Poocha, and a 6-year-old Riya, you go to their
19:44parents and say that you're vultures and pigs? Anybody who raises questions, and a government
19:51that raised updates number every hour, 5 crore ne snaan kiya, 6 crore ne snaan kiya, took 18 hours
19:57to just update, tell us that 30 was the number. And then everybody, the whole eyewitnesses and
20:03everybody says that this is not the number. If you are saying that we are anti-Sanatan,
20:08what will you say to Swami Avibhukteswaran and Saraswati, this team, Shankaracharya,
20:12who has also raised questions on the management of Kumbh. What will you say to Acharya Mithilesh
20:18Nandini of the Pithadeshwar from the Ayodhya, who said this whole propaganda of Kumbh occurring
20:24after every 144 years, it's just governments doing Kumbh occurs after every 12 years,
20:29you go on to label, go on and label them anti-Sanatan and anti-Hindu. This is a question
20:33of management. This is not just, you know, unprecedented number. You said that you are
20:38prepared to handle 100 crore crowd and then you go on this culture, this of, you know,
20:44hiding accountability, this culture of hiding the numbers, is a disservice to the people,
20:50disservice to the people who have an esteemed belief in the, you know, this…
20:54Ashutosh, I'm going to come to Ashutosh, but I want to bring in, allow me to just bring in the
20:57BJP spokesperson on this. Charu Pragya, you know, the fact is to use language of vultures will only
21:04see the dead bodies, but why the dead don't count Charu Pragya? Don't they have an identity?
21:09Shouldn't they be respected? Shouldn't it be investigated on what really happened? And if
21:14there was mismanagement, shouldn't heads roll and shouldn't the numbers, you know, be more
21:19transparent on the numbers that we've lost during the Kumbh. We still don't know what is the actual
21:24toll when it comes down to the two stampede that took place in at the Kumbh.
21:28Preeti, let's remember that every word which is said on the floor of the Assembly or the
21:33Parliament is completely verified, right? So when Yogi ji speaks in Assembly and shatters
21:40the propaganda which is being spread by the opposition, that is the absolute truth. Today,
21:46when we have lost precious lives, here is a government which feels responsible.
21:50Here is a government which is still juggling with a crowd of nearly 60 crore people,
21:57but if I can remind the opposition, which is still trying to pretend as if a stampede is unique
22:04because a Kumbh has happened, stampedes have happened the world over. In fact, the largest
22:09stampede in the history of mankind happens during Hajj. Can the opposition attack the Hajj or that?
22:15Because the Hajj doesn't take place in India, Charu Pragya.
22:19Hajj is not our responsibility. The Kumbh is our responsibility.
22:24And that allows you to call it faltu, call it mrityu, say that there is no such thing as a
22:29mahakum because you haven't had sufficient education about what Sanatan is. How can you
22:35say that right now? Even the Congress spokesperson is saying 144 years is nothing. It happens every
22:4010. It doesn't happen every 10 years, by the way. It happens every 12 years, madam.
22:44The basics of religion you do not know. The basics of Sanatan you do not know. And you think you can
22:49preach to the people 144 years is a mahakum because seven planets align after 144 years
22:55to make this time auspicious. That is why this is happening. And you make statements like that
23:00to mislead the people. And I'm sorry, whatever you are going to say right now does not take away
23:05from the fact that when Samajwadi Party had 224 seats in Uttar Pradesh and Kumbh was organized,
23:11who did you choose to put in charge of it? Azam Khan. You couldn't even find a Hindu leader put
23:17in charge of it mismanaged. Then that's one second. No, no, no. Okay. I understand what
23:25you're saying. But are you actually saying that if you don't find a Hindu leader to take charge
23:28of an event, then, you know, I would think that's a bigoted way of looking at life. I'll come back
23:32to that. I'll come back to that. Hold your thought, ma'am. I want to bring in Ashutosh
23:36into this conversation. No, the larger question is, you know, Charu Pragya also has a point
23:40somewhere. You've handed it over. The opposition has handed it over to the BJP because your
23:45criticism could be constructive, but maybe you haven't got your language right. You're going
23:49after the Kumbh. And that's what the projection is. And the BJP will use it politically,
23:54which they already are. Sir, you're on mute. There's a much larger and the bigger question
24:03is here today that who should be allowed to monopolize the religion, the upper caste.
24:09They should have a monopoly of religion. They should have a monopoly of a Sanatan Dharm.
24:16Who is criticizing it? Mallika Arjun Khadge. Who is Mallika Arjun Khadge? It's a Dalit.
24:20Akhilesh Yadav is an OBC. Lalu Yadav is an OBC. The OBCs and the Dalit have always been denied
24:27the access to Vedas. So their understanding of Hindu religion is entirely different from
24:34the understanding of the upper caste. So this monopolization of this hubristic understanding
24:39of religion has to be questioned. And anybody who belongs to the Dalit community, who belongs
24:44to the OBC community, immediately is branded that he's anti-Sanatan, he's anti-Hindu, does not know
24:49what the Hinduism is all about. I'm really scared today because if Dayanand Saraswati has been today,
24:54if Babasaheb Ambedkar has been today, he would have immediately been branded as anti-Hindu,
25:00anti-Sanatani. If anybody would dare to read Annihilation of Caste by Babasaheb Ambedkar
25:05and the riddles in Hinduism and Dayanand Saraswati's Satyarth Prakash, they will be
25:11aghast that their understanding of Hinduism and the BJP's understanding of Hinduism and
25:17understanding of Golwalkar Hegdewal's understanding of religion is entirely different.
25:21Ashutosh, allow me a counter because that's what maybe the politics is not getting because if you
25:25actually look at it, it's a sea of humanity. All castes are actually taking, it's the biggest
25:31leveler where caste is concerned. You have all castes who are coming in to take a dip at the
25:35same time. One doesn't know who the other caste is and they're eating, bathing in the same lot.
25:40Preeti, as a Hindu upper caste, I really fail to understand that how one kind of
25:49understanding of Hinduism can be given, can be made the ministry of Hinduism.
25:56There are the six schools of philosophy in India. If there is a Sankhya, there is a Yoga,
26:03there is a Uttarishan, there is a number of other things. There is a Charvak. So,
26:11I'm only saying is that why BJP is pushing down everybody's throat that this is Hinduism,
26:17you have to follow. If you do not follow, if a Dalit...
26:20Rajat Sethi, the problem is not with the language. The problem is accepting the set tenets of what
26:25Hinduism really stands for. And it comes from the BJP. Why should one follow it?
26:30The opposition has a point.
26:33Don't follow who is asking you to. There is no script that you need to follow.
26:37And you know, above all, Preeti ji, I'm surprised that you didn't call out Ashutosh ji when he made
26:42this absolutely bizarre argument of bringing a caste. He's, I mean, I'm still laughing at the
26:48sheer mention that so-and-so leader has criticized and an OBC is criticized, therefore, his criticism
26:54is not valid. I mean, gosh, you have to be so twisted in your logic in order to make this
27:00also a caste issue. This way, President Murmu has actually, you know, come out and appreciated the
27:06conduct of whom, are you trying to go against the Dalit woman who's occupying the biggest
27:10constitutional position in our country? See, keep this nonsensical dissection or intersectionality
27:16of cost in every single thing. Okay. Please try and analyze, don't do analysis just for the heck
27:22of analysis. This is the most disservice that you do to the core cause of caste and caste
27:27related discrimination. But no point, even if I point it out, I'm sure this nonsense of caste
27:33agenda being thrusted on every single issue will carry on because that is what, how they've been
27:38serving their politics all throughout. Create divisions, create divisions when there is none.
27:43All political party in the opposition class, when they are coming out,
27:50they are criticizing it from their political lenses, not from their caste lenses.
27:54Okay. Rajat, he wants to come in for a rebuttal. I'll give him 20 seconds and I'll come back to
27:59you and I'll go to your political guests after that. Deliberate caste-based politics being
28:03thrusted on every single issue by lumpums. That is the only word. Okay. Allow him to come in 20
28:09seconds. I'll request Rajat Sethi to read Babasaheb Ambedkar's book called Annihilation of
28:19Caste and his Pratigya. You are not Babasaheb Ambedkar. I'll come back to you. Rajat, I will
28:27come back to you. Allow him to make his point. No point. I'll request Rajat Sethi and the BJP
28:32leaders from Hyderabad to Bhagwat to read Satyajit Prakash, what Dayanand Saraswati
28:38has said about Ram and Krishna. I want them to read that so that they could enlighten their
28:45understanding of Hinduism. They are not that. Hinduism is a broad philosophy. It doesn't
28:54confine to one. So I'm only saying it when Mallika Arjun Ghatke is saying something,
29:00it is not Mallika Arjun Ghatke is saying. He's representing a whole lot of Dalit population.
29:04Okay. 20 seconds. Okay. Allow me, Ashutosh. Sir, allow me to bring in Rajat Sethi. Rajat
29:10Sethi, 20 seconds for a comment. Ashutosh, allow him to make a point. Sir, allow him to make his
29:22point. Can I get Rajat Sethi? Rajat Sethi, make your point. When did Shri Mallika Arjun Ghatke
29:27become the whole soul spokesperson of the entire Dalit community? Can he give me an
29:32explanation on that? How did he assume that? How does Akhilesh Yadav become the whole soul
29:39representative of all OBCs, which comprise 50% of his population? Does he become the spokesperson
29:44of that? Come on, cut this crap. This has to be nipped in the bud because this nonsense of trying
29:51to peddle... Okay, I want to bring in Dr. Pooja Tripathi and Shari Pragya once again back into
29:55this conversation. Dr. Pooja Tripathi, the larger question in all of this is that maybe the Congress
30:02has abhorred the opposition, is disconnected from what the... Sir, I'll come back to you. Allow,
30:07allow, allow, allow the other two to come back. I understand you. I'll come back to you. Okay,
30:14sir, I will come back to you. Allow me to bring in the two other political panelists. Pooja
30:18Tripathi, the question is that there is a disconnect somewhere. The opposition doesn't
30:21understand the language of the people, the mass of humanity, which is actually going to the Kumbh.
30:27Therefore, you know, many would suggest that your top leadership hasn't even gone to take a dip yet.
30:33And that again could be construed as anti-Hindu.
30:38I don't understand who is giving certificates of Hinduism. Is the Bharatiya Chanta Party,
30:42I'll again repeat, is having a copyright on Hinduism. Who are they to give certain
30:47certificates to somebody for being a Sanatani or non-Sanatani? You know, they will go on to
30:52give a certificate of anti-Sanatani to Vivekananda ji who said, if a person is starving, give him
30:57bread and don't preach him religion. And that's exactly what Mallika Chandrasekhar ji said.
31:03And that's when they are raising questions on, you know, Charu just said that there have been
31:08world over, but there have never been instances of running away from accountability, saying
31:14sab kuch control mein hai, stampede like, patri badal di jati hai, there's a huge crowd.
31:22Okay, I'll come back to you Charu, allow her, you'll get the equal time.
31:28When you actually went on to say that you are prepared for 104 crowd, people will ask,
31:34even if it's one day. Okay, Charu Pragya, the question is very simple. You cannot
31:40whitewash incompetence and hide behind faith. Questions will be asked and answers will be
31:47demanded. Answers have been given Preeti, it's just that some people are hard of hearing. They
31:52do not want to hear what is written on the wall. And the truth is that if you want to criticize
31:57the government, go ahead and do so. But it does not allow you, it does not allow you in any manner
32:02to criticize our faith, call it names, which is what you're sitting here and defending. You're
32:06defending words like Mrityu, you're defending words like Faltu. And when it comes down to the
32:11narrative of Mallika Arjun Gharge, why did he not offer this advice to other Congress leaders who
32:15were immensely happy to go to the Kumbh? Also to tell him if he was talking about economics in
32:21terms of roti, the Kumbh has generated a revenue of three lakh crore for Uttar Pradesh government.
32:25If that is not speaking to you, then something is inherently and interestingly wrong with you.
32:31Your outlook towards Hinduism and Sanatan is messed up.
32:35All right. Ashutosh and Rajat wanted 10 seconds each. Allow me to give them that and I'll come
32:40back to you. Ashutosh, 10 seconds, sir. Rajat, 10 seconds.
32:43I take strong offense of what BJP spokesperson has said. I cannot allow you to criticize my
32:48faith. This is my faith. My Upanishad, my Veda allows me to criticize my faith. Kabir, he said,
32:58I'm leaving Ganga and going to Gahmar. I'm going home. Ganga in Pathoti is a good place.
33:04And if your brand of... You have no understanding of Hinduism.
33:09No, no. What is this? Sir, 10 seconds. Rajat Sethi, allow me. Sir, 10 seconds.
33:13You will attack Hinduism. Do you have the courage to do that to any other religion?
33:17Read something. Read Hinduism. Do that to any other religion.
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34:25Delhi Assembly, day one, triple escalation. BJP will table CAG reports tomorrow.
34:34Parvesh Verma to throw open Sheesh Mahal to press.
34:54BJP alleges Ambedkar-Bhagat Singh portraits removed.
35:02BJP versus Aam Aadmi Party blood-fuelled boiling over.
35:32Delhi BJP now in command, up now in opposition. 48 BJP MLAs versus 22 Aam Aadmi Party MLAs.
35:50BJP's woman chief minister, Aam Aadmi Party's woman leader of opposition.
35:56Bitter battle, vengeance or redemption? Top focus on To The Point this evening.
36:26It's a face-off and there is a strict rule. We'll play out a timer for two minutes
36:29and one cannot interrupt the other in that two minutes and after that you can start.
36:35So let me introduce this evening, I have with me Sanju Verma from the Bharatiya Janata Party,
36:40Reena Gupta from the Aam Aadmi Party. Sanju Verma, charge number one,
36:45you entered the Delhi Assembly and you replaced Bhagat Singh's picture,
36:48you replaced B. R. Ambedkar's picture. The allegation now coming in B. R. Ambedkar's
36:53picture was replaced with the Prime Minister Narendra Modi's picture.
36:57The Aam Aadmi Party asks, is he bigger than Ambedkar?
37:02You know, Preeti, first and foremost, let me make one thing very clear.
37:05The Delhi Chief Minister Rekha Gupta is on record saying that she is not answerable to
37:10Atishi or Arvind Kejriwal or to Aam Aadmi Party which is nothing but a bunch of losers and
37:15anarchists. And let me make one thing very clear, to be waxing eloquent about Baba Sahib Ambedkar,
37:22do you remember as recently as 26th January 2025 at Heritage Street,
37:29heart of Amritsar, a man climbs atop the Baba Ambedkar statue and starts vandalising it.
37:36And I did not see a single leader from the Aam Aadmi Party condemning what happened.
37:41It is the BJP which instituted a fact-finding committee and got down to the bottom of this.
37:48And let me remind Aam Aadmi Party, Ambedkar died in 1956. After 34 years,
37:53he was awarded the Bharat Ratna by VP Singh-led National Front Government,
37:58which was supported by the Bharatiya Janata Party. 26 Alipore Road, who has converted that
38:05into Baba Sahib Ambedkar's memory, memorial, pardon me, in honour of his memory, in honour
38:11of his legacy, it is the Bharatiya Janata Party. You know, I am finding it appalling,
38:17and actually amusing, that the Aam Aadmi Party, you know, gives slogans like Jai Bhim, Jai Mim.
38:23Mujhe bataye, Arvind Kejriwal ruled Delhi for 12 long years. How many Dalits were there in his
38:29party? The Bharatiya Janata Party beat Mohan Charanmaji, beat Mohan Yadav, beat the likes of,
38:35in the past, Uma Bharti, or a Kalyan Singh, or a Babulal Gauhar, or for that matter, Vishnu Deosai,
38:42or for that matter, the Honorable President Draupadi Murmuji, standing in solidarity with
38:47and empowering Dalits, Adivasis, and people from backward classes, is our abiding work ethic,
38:53and it is not a jumla. Let me tell you that this is the same Arvind Kejriwal,
38:57who's never spared an opportunity to hit out at Draupadi Murmu, who's the first tribal
39:03President of India. Let me ask Arvind Kejriwal... Okay, time up, ma'am, time up, two minutes,
39:07time up, time up, time up. I want to bring in Veena Gupta into this conversation. Veena Gupta,
39:12all these allegations are wild, as the Aam Aadmi Party likes to make them, is what BJP says.
39:18Nothing has happened, there has been no removal of the pictures, you're only trying to divert
39:23attention, because come tomorrow, the alleged doors of the Sheesh Mahal will be thrown open
39:28to the press, and one would actually be able to see what went down. And the CAG report being
39:33tabled in the Assembly. Preeti, Bharatiya Janata Party's contempt and hatred for Babasaheb,
39:43for Dalits, for the Constitution has not been hidden from anybody. A couple of months ago,
39:50the Honorable Home Minister Amit Shah ji in Parliament said,
39:57Did he ever ask for any forgiveness from anybody in the country? He did not. You pick up any data,
40:03whether it's NCRB data or any other data, you will see that in BJP ruled states,
40:09there are crimes against Dalits. There are repeated cases of whether it's raping of Dalit women,
40:16whether it's Dalit bridegrooms not being allowed to sit on a Ghori.
40:21So wherever you go, the Bharatiya Janata Party is against Dalits.
40:32Nobody is saying that you do not put the photograph of the Prime Minister.
40:39But why do you have to remove the photograph of Babasaheb Ambedkar? Why do you have to remove
40:46the photograph of Shahid-e-Azam Bhagat Singh when the leaders of RSS were writing apology letters to
40:54the British? It was Shahid-e-Azam Bhagat Singh who got us the freedom from the Britishers.
41:01These people have no respect for Shahid-e-Azam Bhagat Singh. They have no respect for the Sikh
41:08society. They have no respect for Dalit people. We have been saying time and again that yes,
41:15please put the photograph of Honorable Prime Minister, but why do you need to ridicule Ambedkar?
41:25All this, we didn't need to have this debate, Preeti. They could have just kept the photograph
41:30of Ambedkarji, but we know that they hate the constitution. We know that they've always wanted
41:36to change the constitution. We know there's a hatred for Dalits in all Bharatiya Janata Party
41:41leaders. Time up. Veena Gupta, time up. I want to bring in Sanju Verma back into this conversation.
41:46Sanju Verma, on the issue of tabling the CAG reports and on the issue of the Sheesh Mahal.
41:52Number one, yes, in one end, there are 14 CAG reports that need to be tabled which the Delhi
41:58government did not table. But there's also something which comes with CAG reports. There is
42:03one on the Uttarakhand government, incumbent is BJP, where the CAG report actually seems to suggest
42:09that money used for afforestation was used for Apple phones and laptops. So it would need to
42:14be taken with a pinch of salt, Sanju Verma. Preeti, first and foremost, let's get one
42:20thing very clear that the BJP stands for transparency and accountability. We do not
42:26believe in obfuscation. And for anybody from the Aam Aadmi Party to be sitting here and giving
42:31bhaashan to the BJP on Shaheed-e-Azam Bhagat Singh, this is the same Arvind Kejriwal,
42:36who at a live press conference said, Manish Sisodiyatoji humare Bhagat Singh jaise hain.
42:42You know, you're comparing somebody who's the number one accused in the Delhi liquor
42:48scam to Shaheed-e-Azam Bhagat Singh, and then you have the audacity to sit here and give lectures
42:53to the BJP. And you know, for anybody who says that BJP has done nothing for the Sikh community,
42:59let me tell, you know, the Aam Aadmi Party panellists, right from opening up the Kartarpur
43:05Sahib corridor, to translating, you know, the Guru Granth Sahib in more than 15 local and
43:12international languages, to removing the langar tax, to celebrating 26th December in the honour
43:19of Chote Sahibzadeh as Veer Baal Devas, to building an interfaith university in Amritsar,
43:25to renovating the Jallianwala Bagh memorial, which was lying in a decadent condition.
43:31If there is one Prime Minister who has done more for the Sikh community than anybody else,
43:36it is Prime Minister Modi. And oh, how did I forget? Beat the Amritsar Kolkata Industrial
43:42Corridor. Beat the Delhi Amritsar Katra Expressway. Beat the Amritsar Jamnagar Industrial
43:50Corridor. It is Prime Minister Modi who is mainstreaming Amritsar. Unlike Aam Aadmi Party,
43:56more than... Okay, we seem to be having a technical glitch. Our clock is gone,
44:01but we're going to go into news break, which is coming in, and we'll get the clock back.
44:04Now, there's news break, which was just coming in, which seems to suggest,
44:09and that doesn't augur well, Reena Gupta, when it comes down for the Aam Aadmi Party.
44:13Details were revealed through an RTI response dated November 2024, and we're playing that
44:19news break in just about a second. Highlighting the massive utility costs at official residence
44:24of Delhi ministers. Electricity bill for seven AAP ministers, to the tune of 1.15 crores. Former
44:31Delhi Chief Minister's residence, 41 lakh for two years, electricity bill. Then former Delhi
44:37Education Minister's residence, 1.26 lakh units consumed, totaling 14.95 lakh bills.
44:45So word is, Reena Gupta, that you've exited office, but you are yet to pay your dues.
44:54I am very sure that whatever dues we have to pay, our ministers would have paid them.
45:00I have no idea which report you are talking about, but there is a CAG report in front of
45:05the country where one kilometre of Dwarka Expressway, Bharatiya Janata Party spent 250
45:12crores for one kilometre. We never saw any clarification how they managed to spend 250
45:19crores, whether they put gold or they put... Okay, 20 seconds, Sanju Verma. Okay, can I just
45:24get Sanju Verma for 20 seconds? Preeti, let me complete. Mom, I don't have the time. I have
45:28to give you equal time. Let me complete. And I don't have the time. Mom, I don't have the time.
45:3220 seconds.
45:50All right, can I just get Sanju Verma for 20 seconds? Go ahead, Sanju Verma, make your point.
45:56Thank you, Preeti. Preeti, let's be very clear.
46:02This entire Jamaat of Aatishi and Aam Aadmi Party Darbari, you know, they failed to realise
46:08they have been booted out.
46:16And start being a constructive opposition rather than indulging in the same theatrics
46:22which you did for 12 long years.
46:23All right, that's all the time that we have for right now. Okay, hard cut. I appreciate both of
46:28you for joining us. Thank you there. You know, we're going to better the format. There have been
46:32a few technical glitches, but we're going to better that format. We do leave you
46:36with our extra point, a third story, which is developing. Prime Minister...
46:45Now, Prime Minister Modi is in Bihar, Bhagalpur. The purpose of that, well, he was there to release
46:50the 19th installment of Kisan Samman Nidhi, the messaging, sounding the poll bugle for the
46:57upcoming polls in Bihar this October. A show of strength with Nitish and Chirag Paswan on stage.
47:04We leave you with these visuals. It's a story that's developing. Elections
47:08in the state of Bihar are in October.