RJD hates India's culture and faith: ভারতের সংস্কৃতি ও ধর্মকে ঘৃণা করে RJD: নরেন্দ্র মোদী
~ED.2~
~ED.2~
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00In my conception, the front face of government is the elected chief minister, not the nominated governor.
00:06I'm also a devout person who believes in the traditions and heritage of India.
00:13In my opinion, it is a mukti kumbh, not murthi kumbh.
00:19So I'm trying to find solutions to problems, not problems in solutions.
00:27See, behind every file, there is a human life, there is a human emotion.
00:33A governor's job is not an ornament.
00:36Governor's job is to be with the people, help the people.
00:40Make Bengal violence-free, corruption-free.
00:46We have the pleasure of having Honorable West Bengal Governor Sri C. V. Ananda Bose with us, with One India right now.
00:54Thank you for joining with us, sir.
00:56As the governor of West Bengal, you have been always at loggerheads with CM Mamata Banerjee, in between.
01:03Often, you have been at loggerheads with the CM.
01:06How do you manage that political pressure? How do you manage the equation with the CM?
01:13See, when I first went there, there was this snake and mongoose game between the then Governor and the Chief Minister.
01:26I tried to change the game to Tom and Jerry.
01:30Who is Tom, who is Jerry? That game alternated between us.
01:35At times, it is also snake and ladder. Somebody will go deep down, will come up.
01:42This seesaw battle was going on.
01:46But there was an underlying appreciation for each other.
01:51I came without any prejudice.
01:54When I joined there, so many leaders told me, and I also knew from the media,
02:02that Bengal CM Mamata is a difficult person to deal with.
02:07But then, I have had interaction with many difficult persons even before.
02:14If one is difficult, you cease to be difficult. Things will settle down.
02:19We started off with a very, very mutual mode of mutual appreciation.
02:26We made it very clear also.
02:28I also told, the CM told me, that is Mamata told me,
02:33Governor Sir, I have read a lot about you. I heard a lot about you.
02:39I know that you are an impartial person.
02:42I would like to continue this thing.
02:46I also said, you are the elected Chief Minister.
02:49In my conception, the front face of government is the elected Chief Minister, not the nominated Governor.
02:55I will always remain in the background.
02:58I will only facilitate your job as the Chief Minister.
03:02I am not here to create any problems for you.
03:05I think we expressed these sentiments in the beginning itself.
03:09So the beginning was good.
03:11Then, we also started conveying our opinions on WhatsApp, encrypted WhatsApp.
03:20So that you know, public statements are public statements.
03:24Public statements are politically oriented.
03:28I, as a Governor, I try to keep off politics.
03:32A political leader can always say whatever she or he wants, even about the Governor.
03:39I should not take it on a personal plane.
03:42When there were some such areas, the gay areas,
03:45she would explain to me, what is behind the political statements that you are making.
03:51Though it was an initial discomfiture for me, I could understand that.
03:55Why in that context such a statement is made?
03:57But we had an understanding that, you know, how give and take, mutual respect.
04:02Then at the time of election, then in every political party we will try any game in their advantage.
04:11There, of course, I was criticized very, very badly,
04:14very, even hurting my self-respect and reputation.
04:18Then I sued the Chief Minister for defamation.
04:25The court ordered, don't speak such things about the Governor.
04:30That order still remains.
04:32That is only for a brief period.
04:35Then the CM herself told me,
04:38Sir, I want to come and meet you.
04:40I said, you are always welcome.
04:43She came, she met me, for one hour she was with me.
04:47I don't want to come in the public domain of what we talked.
04:52But she came with olive branch.
04:57I accepted it.
04:59Now it is again, we are moving on mutual respect and understanding.
05:05And I was also told,
05:08even though we criticized you,
05:11we know that you are a gentleman.
05:14She told the press also.
05:16We know that.
05:17And in the last two years,
05:19you have not done any political game.
05:22That also we know.
05:23But we took some stance against you because of political reasons.
05:27The latest one was Kumbh Mela.
05:30I went to Kumbh Mela
05:33because I was invited by the UP Chief Minister.
05:37So I went there.
05:39And also, I am also a devout person who believes in the traditions
05:44and heritage of India.
05:48For me, it was a very pleasant and very positive experience which I had there.
05:54But as Chief Minister, I made a statement
05:57that it is a Mrityu Kumbh.
06:02I said that Chief Minister as a political leader
06:05has every right to make comments or make her own analysis on anything that happens in the country.
06:12I respect it.
06:13I may not share her views,
06:14but I respect her freedom to say that.
06:17In my opinion,
06:19it is a Mukti Kumbh,
06:22not Mrityu Kumbh.
06:24Or it's a Mrityunjaya Kumbh.
06:27I said, 52 crores
06:30treat it as Mukti Kumbh.
06:33Here is one leader who treats it as Mrityu Kumbh.
06:36So it's 52 crores against one.
06:38Let it remain there.
06:40I have no comments on that.
06:42So I'm trying to find solutions to problems.
06:48Not problems in solutions.
06:51Even as a part of Indian Administrative Service and now as a Governor,
06:56you have to always convince CMs and Ministers and all.
07:00Not as a Governor, of course.
07:02But always there is a confusion or there is a clash of opinion,
07:06there is a difference of opinion with the governments.
07:10Even now you have to be at loggerheads with the Governor.
07:14And when you were a part of IAS,
07:17you took extra effort to convince Ministers
07:21over different projects and all.
07:23How do you manage this power struggle?
07:26You know, the basic principles
07:29on which the IAS is based
07:32is objectivity, neutrality.
07:35If you remain objective,
07:38if you remain politically neutral,
07:41then it will be possible to convince the Ministers.
07:44In every file which I have handled,
07:47I always give the pros and cons of it.
07:50Then leave it to the Minister to decide which one he wants.
07:53Pros and cons will be there.
07:55Even if a decision is taken,
07:58which is beyond law,
08:00I'll point it out.
08:02You point it out in person.
08:07Don't criticize the Minister in front of others.
08:11Don't try to belittle him.
08:14I have been able to manage this throughout my career.
08:18Especially when I was handling a sensitive position
08:21as a Secretary to the Chief Minister of Kerala.
08:24You know, in his own party,
08:26there were different groups.
08:28Then the opposition is there.
08:30I had no difficulties in handling any of them.
08:33We have to have established our credibility
08:36for objectivity and neutrality.
08:38And secondly,
08:40we should study the files very deeply.
08:43See, behind every file,
08:45there is a human life.
08:47There is a human emotion
08:49which cannot be ignored.
08:51The small problems should be given
08:54big attention.
08:56I have always been trying to do that.
08:58I have been with the people.
09:00That also affects the politicians.
09:02Your credibility
09:04will also judge you by that.
09:07Then of course,
09:09you know,
09:11as a matter of principle,
09:13everything is not political interference.
09:17There is political interference
09:20and political action.
09:22If an MLA or an MP
09:25comes and meets the District Collector
09:28or tries to put some pressures to get the
09:30government policies and programs implemented properly,
09:33that is political intervention.
09:35It's not political interference.
09:37Interference is different.
09:39We should understand that
09:41empathy should be there.
09:43And secondly,
09:45I don't listen to recommendations or pressures.
09:48But I always respect the right of the politicians
09:52to bring to your notice
09:54whatever they want.
09:56If you can do it, do it.
09:58If you cannot do it,
10:00explain it very politely that this is why it cannot be done.
10:02First politicians are satisfied with that.
10:04Then some of them are haughty,
10:06some of them are arrogant.
10:08Well, there are ways of dealing with them.
10:10Rather than being a passive governor,
10:14as you yourself have said,
10:16rather than being in a ceremonial post of a governor,
10:21you have started to do so many things
10:24as a West Bengal governor.
10:26For example, you have opened the gates of Rajbhavan to media.
10:30You have started a peace room during election violence in Bengal.
10:35You have started to make a cultural bridge
10:38between Bengal and Kerala and other states.
10:41So, what prompted you to act
10:45in a way that most of the governors in our country are not doing?
10:49You have started some initiatives.
10:51You are doing. You are doing things.
10:54See, I respect all the governors.
10:56They are all doing things in their own way.
11:00As far as I am concerned,
11:02I would like to be people-centric.
11:05A governor's job is not an ornament.
11:09Governor's job is to be with the people, help the people.
11:14So, when we take the oath,
11:16the first part says,
11:18I will defend the constitution of India.
11:20The second part is, I will work for the welfare and well-being
11:24of the people of the state.
11:26Naturally, your concern should be for the people.
11:30So, I always try to go out
11:34with outreach programs to the people.
11:36Now, the flagship project is
11:40Amargram, that means my village.
11:43I go from village to village, stay with them,
11:47especially forest villages,
11:50villages dominated by tribals.
11:52Spend time with them. The whole day we spent time with them.
11:55Listen to their grievances and try to solve their problems.
11:58You see, this time,
12:01for the first time in the history of that Rajpavan,
12:05the tribal family were the distinguished guests
12:08for the Republic Day.
12:10They said, we have never seen a Rajpavan.
12:13See, and then,
12:15when anything happens,
12:17atrocities, violence,
12:20or, you know, disasters,
12:23train accident, for instance.
12:25When the train accident took place,
12:27where a lot of people died from Bengal,
12:29there was one family
12:31which lost three of her sons.
12:33Mother lost three of her sons.
12:35I didn't go to the main places
12:38where the accident took place.
12:40I went to their house.
12:42It was deep inside Sundarbans.
12:44I also go there
12:47with some financial assistance
12:49for those who want it.
12:51And then,
12:53when violence takes place,
12:55if I have the information earlier,
12:57I go there to prevent the violence.
12:59After violence has taken place,
13:01I go to the hospital
13:03to meet the people who are hospitalized.
13:05I also go to their houses
13:07where people are killed.
13:09Try to consult them, try to help them.
13:11Then,
13:13anybody can
13:15talk to the governor anytime.
13:18Peace room is for 24x7.
13:21There are people to attend the telephone calls.
13:23If anybody is keen on talking to the governor directly,
13:26I pick up the phone.
13:28One instance,
13:30I get a call at midnight,
13:3412.30 or so.
13:36One man told me,
13:38Sir, I am from Darjeeling.
13:40Some gundas have
13:42surrounded my house
13:44with bombs.
13:46Then, nothing was heard.
13:48I didn't know what exactly happened.
13:50So, I told the police.
13:52They located the house.
13:54They went there.
13:56They drove away the hooligans.
13:58The next day,
14:00this young man comes with his wife and child
14:02and told me,
14:04Sir, but for your interference,
14:06my head would not have been on me now.
14:08See, this kind of accessibility,
14:10see,
14:12governor should be accessible.
14:14I try to be accessible to the public.
14:16That gives me a lot of
14:18satisfaction.
14:20Even as an
14:22administrative officer,
14:24you have done
14:26so many projects in Kerala,
14:28especially DTPC,
14:30Nirmithi.
14:32All these initiatives taken by you
14:34had such a
14:36huge impact
14:38in Kerala, even now.
14:40It has created that impact.
14:42So, as a governor,
14:44as an administrative officer,
14:46as you said right now, you are always people-centric.
14:48What will be your next movement or next idea
14:50that you are going to implement
14:52in Bengal?
14:54I want to continue my campaign
14:56and use my
14:58good offices as governor
15:00for two things.
15:02Make Bengal
15:04violence-free,
15:06corruption-free.
15:08The two cankers
15:10that are eating the body politics there
15:12are violence and corruption.
15:14I think as governor,
15:16there is quite a bit
15:18which can be done.
15:20By these field visits and intervention
15:22against violence
15:24in the field,
15:26quite a lot of improvement is there.
15:28For instance, in the last
15:30election,
15:32the media reported
15:34prior to that
15:36there were about 120
15:38deaths election time.
15:40This time it is only 36 or so.
15:42They attributed it to the
15:44intervention of the governor.
15:46So, such activities I will continue.
15:48Thank you, sir.