La desaparición de un niño en Córdoba ha movilizado a las autoridades locales y nacionales, activando la alerta SOFIA para intensificar su búsqueda. El caso, liderado por los fiscales Isabel Reina y Gambini, ha involucrado a más de 300 efectivos policiales, drones y tecnología avanzada para rastrear comunicaciones. Hasta ahora se han realizado 15 allanamientos y se han secuestrado varios vehículos y celulares. La comunidad está preocupada mientras continúan las investigaciones sin descartar ninguna hipótesis.
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00:00We have thought that for a matter of order, I will give you an exposition, a story of what we have done so far, who are participating, as far as possible, as far as the investigation does not hinder, and then if you find it pertinent, we can answer some questions.
00:24Well, I think some of the information that I am going to give you you already have, for a matter of order, I am going to tell you how it started and from now on everything that has been done.
00:34The child would have disappeared from here, from the family home, on Saturday, at nap time.
00:44In principle, the family would have gone out to look for him, but they would not have located him.
00:49On Saturday, he gave the alert to the police around 20 hours, 19.45, 20 hours.
00:56Immediately, the rural patrol of the sector was established here in the place, who notified all the forces nearby, let's say, he notified the police and the police chiefs.
01:09And also, in parallel, he notified the deputy prosecutor, Dr. Isabel Reyna, who is with her headquarters in Belville, who immediately began to give directives.
01:20From minute zero of the fact, as soon as the fact was communicated, the Public Prosecutor's Office immediately began to work with measures that have two specific objectives.
01:33This investigation has, let's say, for an organizational matter, has been divided into two parts.
01:38One part is the place in the area where Dr. Isabel Reyna is in charge, who has been here from Saturday onwards, has been almost permanently in the place.
01:50And she conducts all the operations and coordinates with all the forces here present in the search and search operations of the child in this place.
01:58Likewise, it also highlights the evidence that could be of interest in the place or in the surrounding areas.
02:05In parallel, on Monday, the General Prosecutor's Office decided to incorporate Dr. Gambini into the investigation, who is also the second-degree prosecutor of Belville.
02:16Dr. Gambini has taken charge of the investigation itself, to process the evidence that is collected, to carry out all the procedural measures that correspond to testimonials, inquiries.
02:30He conducts them from the Belville Prosecutor's Office with a team of people, with a team of experts, and I am going to specify how many forces are working on this.
02:41These two prosecutors are in permanent communication, the information is permanently relevant, but they have divided the tasks in these two directions.
02:52During the first hours of Sunday, in collaboration with the Ministry of Security of the province, in direct communication with the Ministry of Security of the nation,
03:06the possibility of firing the SOFIA alert began to be evaluated.
03:10Perhaps for something, during Sunday, a few hours after the start of the search, a virtual meeting was held on Sunday,
03:20where it was decided to fire the SOFIA alert, and the SOFIA alert fires innumerable amounts of resources and intervention teams.
03:31You may have seen that all the media received the photo and the description of the child throughout the country, also in neighboring countries.
03:44At the same time, with the support of the province, a 100-kilometer alert was fired at La Redonda, a 100-kilometer alert to all cell phones in La Redonda,
03:57with the photo and the details of the child.
04:00These are the first moments of the investigation.
04:06What has been done so far in the investigation?
04:10We have 15 raids in the area, in the homes of the area and in other locations.
04:18There are more than 25 kidnapped cell phones.
04:23The control judges of each place where the raid is carried out have collaborated with us to carry out the raids immediately,
04:32so that there is no problem with the security orders.
04:36And in all the security orders there is the relevance of the place, the identification of the people who are there,
04:42the kidnapping of the cell phones and the authorization of the pre-visualization of the cell phones to obtain immediate information with the authorization of the judges.
04:51These 15 cell phones are also going to be fully released by the judicial police team,
04:58which has a cutting-edge technology of the latest generation to extract all the sensitive information from the cell phones.
05:05More than 30 testimonial statements have been taken so far and so far 6 vehicles have been kidnapped.
05:13These are the procedural acts that we have carried out so far.
05:16I also wanted to tell you the amount of resources that are put here in the place and in the prosecution for the investigative measures.
05:24The Federal System for the Search of People, which has been collaborating with us since minute zero,
05:29has provided collaboration with experts, tracking in the place, with experts in gendarmerie,
05:36in the relevance of communications, in the location of cell phones and antennas, all the technological issue.
05:43And well, those are the resources that the Ministry of National Security has provided us, which has provided the support from minute zero.
05:51I also wanted to clarify that the committee that decides the SOFIA alert, a federal prosecutor of the PROTEX intervenes in the committee,
06:00who was also in this meeting, that is, the federal prosecutor is also informed of the progress of the investigation
06:08and is collaborating, is suggesting the SIFEUS.
06:12The Federal System for the Search of People has a lot of experience in the search of people,
06:15so it is helping us a lot with the advice to all the teams that are here
06:19and that also have a lot of training.
06:21The teams here in Córdoba have participated on many occasions in collaboration in the search of people and missing children in other provinces,
06:29so the teams know each other, they find that in many difficulties.
06:33Here in the area we have around 300, more than 300 police officers, mobile, personnel of the DOAR, firefighters.
06:41How many drones do we have?
06:44Fourteen drones.
06:45Fourteen drones working at this time.
06:48All rural patrols, division CANES.
06:51The army and the anti-narcotic police force have also provided us with collaboration with logistics.
06:58We have telephone antennas to allow communications.
07:02There is the presence of police personnel, federal police, national SENAF, provincial SENAF,
07:09and judicial police with their detectives and scientific police.
07:15The coordination of all these teams of work is essentially in the hands of the prosecutors who carry out the investigation.
07:21As I was saying, Dr. Gambini with the investigation from the prosecutor's office,
07:25Dr. Reina with the investigation from the field.
07:27A very fluid coordination has been achieved between the heads of all the teams that are working.
07:36The terrain has been divided into blocks that are being elevated on horseback,
07:41with vultures in the area, on foot, and with drones.
07:45The perimeter that we are currently covering with different search intensities,
07:51the nearby perimeter with more intensity,
07:53but the total perimeter covered is around 4,000 meters at this time,
07:58from the house of disappearance of the child around.
08:05The area of the river is also being covered.
08:08The entire area of the river is being elevated, 10 kilometers so far,
08:11to detect any anomalies, the river itself and the coasts.
08:19What other resources do we have up to here?
08:21Well, up to here this is what we can more or less advance.
08:26Just as it is worked on the ground, starting from the point of interest,
08:31which is the last point where the child was allegedly seen,
08:34tracking is carried out in a circular way from the place where the child was detected.
08:43In the same way, the investigation is carried out, with the same logic.
08:46Starting from the child, his family, his nearby circle, the neighbors, the relatives,
08:52the radius of interest is expanded, and for this it also helps us a lot
08:57the cell phones that establish the network of connections.
09:01Can you clarify about the presence of the alleged healer who came to the house?
09:09What did he do? Where did he go? Is he under investigation?
09:15Look, everything is under investigation.
09:18I'm not going to talk about what we kidnapped, where we kidnapped him,
09:23who we interviewed, who are the suspects.
09:27We have to be very cautious and very careful at this time.
09:31This is a very complex investigation, and any data that I could say about
09:36a concrete measure of evidence, like the one you are pointing out,
09:39or any other investigative line, hypothesis of a larger or smaller entity,
09:46the investigation is at risk, and at this time I understand the concern of the community,
09:51I understand the need for information, but there is a limit,
09:55which is precisely that the investigative lines in which it is being worked are not harmed.
10:00Doctor, in summary, are there messages that aroused suspicion?
10:04I'm not asking you to clarify your content or who they are,
10:07but are there messages that established an investigative line
10:11that aroused some kind of intuition of the police?
10:16All the messages that are on the cell phones are relevant.
10:20All the messages, not only the audio messages, the WhatsApp messages,
10:25the calls, the antennas used in the place with the cell phones,
10:31the content and the provisional value of all those results,
10:36I can't give them to you.
10:37I mean, they are being relegated, these do have absolute tranquility,
10:41that all the kidnapped devices are being relegated, of course.
10:44Doctor, did you speak to the localities?
10:48Here, in the area and in other localities that I can't tell you either,
10:52because it's an investigative line.
10:54Did you check any kind of odorifer test in the films?
10:58All the lines of investigation, all the lines of investigation,
11:01without intending to hinder anything, if I may say so.
11:05Is there any that I can have, some kind of thing that draws attention?
11:13I repeat, I can't answer that question without putting at risk
11:18that own investigative line or any other that may derive from that line.
11:22You have to be very cautious.
11:24Excuse me, there he asks me if an odorifer test has been done.
11:29They are working on it.
11:30What about the vehicles to see if there are tubes?
11:32Well, the kidnapped vehicles have a process order in the probatory process,
11:37or in the collection of evidence.
11:39In the first place, the tubes have to intervene,
11:41which is what you tell me, the odorifer test.
11:45You can't touch the vehicle until the tubes intervene.
11:48That's already done.
11:49And at this moment, there is a scientific police
11:52checking for bones and traces inside the vehicle.
11:55Doctor, doctor, talk about kidnapped vehicles,
11:57kidnapped cell phones, antennas.
12:00The main hypothesis would be that the boy was taken away.
12:03I repeat, I can't talk about the main hypothesis,
12:07I mean, all the hypotheses are being investigated,
12:10but I can't talk about which is the main one.
12:12That would force me to tell you which is the main one,
12:14which, I repeat, is not a negative from the Ministry of Taxation
12:19to give information, but it is only the caution in the investigation.
12:24These processes are very complex investigations,
12:28and you will see, we have a very clear line
12:32that talks about tracking in the area,
12:34but we can't stay with this.
12:36Doctor, I have a question.
12:38Is there a criminal record against sexual integrity
12:42in the intimate, close circle of the family?
12:45Because yesterday, in a statement of the CIFE,
12:47if I remember correctly,
12:49you said something in that sense,
12:51that in the environment there was someone with criminal records
12:55against sexual integrity.
12:56Criminal records, criminal records,
12:59as far as we know, there are none.
13:00When we talk about criminal records,
13:01we talk about a process with a sentence,
13:03and in this case, we don't have it.
13:05Yes, there are investigations pending in the close circle
13:09about possible crimes against sexual integrity.
13:11Doctor, regarding the experiences that took place in the vehicles,
13:15even so, without giving more details,
13:17which vehicles,
13:18did any of them give positive evidence
13:21that the child was in any of the vehicles found?
13:23I can't give you that information
13:25because I would have to tell you
13:27what kind of recognition gave positive.
13:31Doctor...
13:32Let me, let me be cautious.
13:34Are we at the door of any detention?
13:38It is a decision that the prosecutors will make in charge of the case.
13:41So far, there are no detainees.
13:44Doctor, regarding the letter that was sent to me,
13:47could it be sent to the Federal Prosecutor's Office?
13:49Or still to the CIFEU?
13:53I don't know who mentioned the CIFEU over there.
13:57The representative of the CIFEU here in the area clarifies to me
14:00that the CIFEU has not issued any official part of the press,
14:03so if something is circulating, it is not official.
14:06Doctor, could it be sent to the Federal Prosecutor's Office?
14:09Would it be in the ordinary order of the Federal Prosecutor's Office?
14:14And obviously not at this time,
14:16because if not, maybe we would have already taken a measure.
14:19From the minute the SOFIA alert was issued,
14:22there is a federal prosecutor in charge of the PROTEX,
14:25who is all the time communicating the progress of the investigation.
14:29So far, it is Marcelo Colombo.
14:31So far, we do not have any indication
14:34that makes us presume the existence of a federal crime
14:37that could give participation to the Federal Prosecutor's Office.
14:41I do not rule out that this can happen.
14:43I do not rule it out, but so far we do not have it.
14:46Doctor, it is not ruled out yet.
14:48Well, one day, it will be part of the press conference
14:51that will be held in the CIFEU.
14:53Yes, yes, yes.
14:55It will continue.
14:57The owner of the field, Casillas,
14:59who owns the field,
15:01who owns the field,
15:03what relationship does he have with the owners?
15:06The relationship he has,
15:08here we have an owner of a field
15:10who would have a rental relationship with the people who work here.
15:14He would rent it to them
15:16so that they can do this commercial exploitation of brick cutters.
15:20The rest is a matter of investigation.
15:23Is it a matter of investigation?
15:25It is a matter of investigation.
15:27I can tell you how many statements we took, but not to whom.
15:31It is a matter of investigation.
15:33Yes, I can tell you that this field has an owner,
15:36he is identified,
15:38and the relationship that unites them is of a location.
15:40Doctor, the FBI had a lawyer who resigned,
15:43and yesterday another lawyer appeared.
15:46In fact, they were working here a few hours ago.
15:49Why is this happening?
15:51Because at first it was said that the prosecution,
15:53that it was advised not to have a lawyer
15:55because they had not committed any crime at first.
15:57Is this true? Did this happen?
16:00Look, let me clarify this.
16:03It was said, I don't know who said it,
16:05or what it said.
16:07There was a lawyer who approached the prosecution,
16:09asked for information,
16:11and was given the information that could be given,
16:13invoking the representation of the family,
16:17of Liam's parents.
16:20That lawyer has resigned, as far as I understand.
16:23He has resigned.
16:25He has publicly stated that he was not going to be in charge of the case,
16:27because in the process,
16:29this lawyer had not formally asked for his participation.
16:32Doctor, why is it not allowed to talk to the family?
16:35I don't know this, that it is not allowed to talk.
16:38And neither do the neighbors.
16:40They don't let us approach the neighbors.
16:42There are police officers at the door,
16:46and they forbid us to approach the neighbors.
16:48We do not have by law,
16:50to forbid anyone to talk to anyone.
16:52They are people who are not imputed,
16:55they are not suspected,
16:57they are not subject to trial.
16:59Let me finish.
17:03It is possible that there has been some recommendation
17:06to someone who has declared,
17:08I don't know if they are the people you mentioned,
17:10but it is possible,
17:12it is a practice of habitual protocol,
17:14to the people who declare,
17:16once they have been declared,
17:18to recommend them emphatically
17:20that what they declared in the case,
17:22cannot be made public,
17:24precisely because we are in a secret stage of the case.
17:26Maybe there are people who can interpret this
17:28as a prohibition to speak.
17:30I don't know, I'm talking hypothetically,
17:32but maybe this could have been interpreted in that sense.
17:35I don't know, Minister.
17:37Let me clarify this.
17:39It's not that people told us,
17:41we can't talk about a recommendation directly,
17:43that the officers were at the door,
17:45they are still there,
17:47and they are not allowed to go and ask
17:49if they want to talk.
17:51Look, the presence of you
17:53in certain places
17:55can, perhaps,
17:57contaminate possible scenes
17:59of criminal events.
18:01Maybe that's why we have put
18:03a cord of custody
18:05in places of interest,
18:07and the cord of custody
18:09has the recommendation
18:11to let only people who live in that place
18:13because you understand
18:15that at this moment we don't have,
18:17we do have a point
18:19called point zero,
18:21which is the place where, theoretically,
18:23the child was last seen.
18:25From there on, we have this perimeter
18:27of four kilometers that surrounds it,
18:29it is a possible place of crime.
18:31The presence and circulation
18:33of people who are not usual
18:35in the place can eventually contaminate
18:37scenes. Maybe that's why you feel
18:39that you are sometimes coerced
18:41by the possibility of approaching.
18:43I don't know if this is what you wanted to clarify.
18:45No, that's what I wanted to say,
18:47that there was a cord of custody
18:49and that it was preserved.
18:51There are many neighbors who,
18:53especially motorists,
18:55point out that they have not felt
18:57controlled or hidden
18:59in the course of their handling,
19:01for example, towards Córdoba, towards Chaco,
19:03towards any other point in the country,
19:05and that caught my attention
19:07because within the seriousness
19:09of the situation,
19:11the police, the truck driver,
19:13including federal forces,
19:15should perhaps establish a cord
19:17that prevents the passage
19:19of a suspicious vehicle.
19:21Is there any of that?
19:23Look, the SOFIA alert
19:25triggers innumerable preventive measures.
19:27Some of you see them
19:29and others don't see them.
19:31It may be that you stop
19:33on all routes,
19:35which would be impossible to practice.
19:37Because we dismantle
19:39the rest of the police custody
19:41of all the neighborhoods.
19:43There are other types of preventive measures
19:45that are not seen
19:47and that do not correspond
19:49to what is ahead either,
19:51which are intended to control
19:53the movement of people.
19:55Doctor, the SOFIA alert
19:57has been triggered 24 hours
19:59after the disappearance of Dian.
20:01It is not supposed to be
20:03a provisional time,
20:05but it was triggered 24 hours later.
20:07It was triggered much earlier.
20:09I don't have an exact record,
20:11but I think we are talking
20:13about around 12,
20:1515 hours.
20:17I repeat that the SOFIA alert
20:19requires the prior accreditation
20:21of a certain circumstance.
20:23And this is a matter
20:25of the search system
20:27of people that establishes
20:29a series of requirements
20:31to be able to trigger the SOFIA alert.
20:33The SOFIA alert is a resource
20:35that is very delicate to trigger.
20:37It triggers a myriad of measures
20:39and you have to be prudent
20:41so as not to dispense
20:43state resources
20:45and then it turns out
20:47that the child was around the corner.
20:49So, those prior hours
20:51of Sunday morning
20:53were the ones that were taken
20:55to gather necessary information
20:57that allowed us to trigger the SOFIA alert
20:59that was triggered
21:01on Sunday morning.
21:03Can we go?
21:05Can we close, please?
21:07Is it possible that we are in front
21:09of such an effective and efficient organization
21:11that has managed to get a child
21:13out of a community like this,
21:15move him somewhere else
21:17and that there is no trace
21:19of that level of crime
21:21that we are talking about?
21:23Of all this research,
21:25absolutely nothing is ruled out.
21:27It is not ruled out that the child
21:29has fallen and the river has fallen
21:31and that is why the river is being elevated.
21:33But it is not ruled out.
21:35It is not ruled out.
21:39We cannot form a perimeter
21:41of 100 meters.
21:43It would be very adventurous.
21:45The possibility would be there.
21:47We do not rule it out.
21:49And just as there is that possibility
21:51and we are being very generous with the perimeter,
21:53as you have said,
21:55so as not to leave any loose ends,
21:57the research has many edges.
22:03There are things that have to do
22:05with the social construct of this community.
22:07What we are talking about
22:09is about people
22:11who have been hired
22:13by someone.
22:15There are issues that have to do
22:17with the rotation of these people
22:19according to what interests them or not
22:21of certain sectors.
22:23There are people who can be linked
22:25to some type of concession.
22:27They are sent here because
22:29there is someone who can deposit them.
22:31I mean, I have been talking about all that lately.
22:33It has to do precisely with the criminal root
22:35that this whole system has.
22:37It could almost be called a mafia.
22:39Can we get there?
22:41It is a construction
22:43that you tell me
22:45has been talked about.
22:47The investigation has not talked about this
22:49nor has it talked about anything else.
22:51It does not rule it out or confirm it.
22:53The investigation has its course.
22:55It has several edges.
22:57What you are pointing out...
22:59No, I am not pointing it out.
23:01This is not something
23:03that is ruled out.
23:05It is not something
23:07that is in everyone's imagination.
23:09That order is also being worked on.
23:11Let's do the last question, please.
23:13A very short one.
23:15Were the schedules accredited?
23:17Was it the father who gave the schedules
23:19and it was accredited by another medium
23:21And the last one,
23:23can we talk about a gray car?
23:25Is that in any of the testimonies?
23:27I repeat,
23:29there are five vehicles
23:31kidnapped at this time.
23:33Six.
23:35One was incorporated this morning.
23:37Those vehicles are the ones
23:39that are being analyzed by the police.
23:41Regarding the schedules,
23:43well, there are ways to accredit schedules
23:45that have to do with the traffic
23:47of telephone antennas, cell phones.
23:50Yes, they have been filled out of the province.
23:52To all, thank you very much.
23:54Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
23:56Let's listen to what Dr. Cropi
23:58and the Attorney General
24:00have to say.
24:02It is an absolute assumption.
24:04I think they have put it there
24:06to answer because it is
24:08very precise
24:10when it comes to saying
24:12and not to risk any hypothesis.
24:14Very crazy, very convincing,
24:16but correct me if I am wrong.
24:18We are here with Gustavo.
24:20He has said nothing more than what we know.
24:22All the hypotheses are being looked for.
24:24Fifteen reports,
24:26six testimonials,
24:28a lot of expedited cell phones,
24:30and nothing else.
24:32Cristian, what impression did you get?
24:34Yes, exactly.
24:36The impression I get is that they
24:38contributed a lot of detail
24:40regarding the investigation,
24:42but they do not want to risk
24:44any hypothesis at the moment
24:46They have also been very clear
24:48about why they allow us to work
24:50in one sector and not in another
24:52so as not to contaminate the search area.
24:54What the Attorney General is also saying
24:56is that it is still not ruled out
24:58something that we presumed was already
25:00in the mouths of the parents of Elian.
25:02It is not ruled out that Menor is still
25:04in this area, in these 4,000 meters
25:06of tracking. They are working at the moment
25:08in what is the margins
25:10and also the third river.
25:12I think the Attorney General was very clear.
25:14Five vehicles have been kidnapped,
25:16one this morning,
25:18not only in the province of Cordoba,
25:20but in other provinces,
25:22and also 25 cell phones that were also
25:24kidnapped and are going to be perished.
25:26They want to give the idea that they are
25:28working in an organized and orderly way.
25:30Now what we have to wait for are the results.
25:32Let me ask Gustavo
25:34and our guest what he thought.
25:36Alejandro, in the meantime of the conference,
25:38what is happening in the third river?
25:40In the third river, Luis,
25:42they are intensively
25:44with the rafting inside the water.
25:46Minutes ago they passed with sticks,
25:48they passed looking in the background.
25:50This reaches the height of the waist.
25:52A tent has already been set up.
25:54This goes for a long time,
25:56because also recently,
25:58beyond the fact that he did not express any data,
26:00the prosecutor is trying
26:02to find out that someone took it
26:04and that someone did something to him,
26:06not only that Elian got lost.
26:08That is why there are kidnappings
26:10on one side, raids on one side
26:12and raftings on the other.
26:14In the raftings they also look for bodies.
26:16The two things, the two hypotheses
26:18are with which the justice is working.