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00:00Deterrence in any terms absolutely failed, because the failure has been, and it's been
00:08steady since Putin gave us warning, ominously, was at a Munich security conference in 2007
00:19or 2008, I think it was 2007, where he laid out his vision.
00:23And then NATO went ahead.
00:24Sorry, I don't want to go too long in the anecdotage, but NATO made a terrible mistake
00:27the following year.
00:29Both our countries are to blame for it.
00:31At the Bucharest NATO summit, they said the aspiration of Georgia and Ukraine to join
00:40NATO should be realised.
00:43They didn't give a timetable, I admit, but you know the Secretary of State and the Foreign
00:47Secretary, David Miliband at that time, said that, and they had no route map.