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In today’s episode of Stick to Football brought you by Sky Bet, Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Roy Keane, Jill Scott, and Ian Wright tackle some of football’s biggest talking points. Tensions run high as the panel debates Manchester United’s ongoing struggles both on and off the pitch, sparking one of our most heated discussions yet!

Arsenal also takes centre stage, with their title hopes fading as Liverpool surge into pole position to win the Premier League. Is there still a way back for The Gunners, or has their race already been run?

The team also take a moment to reflect on Gary’s 50th birthday party. What did they get up to, and what hilarious stories do they have to share?
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00:00 Morning Blueberry Crisis
02:11 Heartwarming Matheus Cunha Moment
07:04 Dance Floor Drama
08:37 Quiz Chaos
13:24 Football Analysis and Player Performances
23:58 Managerial Achievements and Team Strategies
37:24 Debate on Arsenal's Striker Dilemma
38:01 The Striker Market and Arsenal's Challenges
41:31 Comparing Arsenal and Liverpool's Forward Options
44:48 Critique of Arsenal's Management and Strategy
52:54 Manchester United's Financial and Management Crisis
01:06:25 Community Questions
01:11:30 Discussion on International Football and Player Choices

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00:00:00Right, let me get my blueberries in.
00:00:01No blueberries in the fridge this morning.
00:00:03Was there not?
00:00:04Poor, poor Aaron.
00:00:06Standard slipping.
00:00:08There were, but they were from the 6th of February.
00:00:10I mean, how out of date's that?
00:00:13It's not me, that.
00:00:14I'll leave some for everyone else, because...
00:00:18I think that's enough.
00:00:20You need a bowl, don't you, Neil?
00:00:21I do need a bowl, but, you know what I mean,
00:00:23if Roy asked for a bowl, you'd give him a bowl, wouldn't you?
00:00:26You know what I mean?
00:00:28Do you want a bowl?
00:00:29Walking around a bit cocky with your beanie hat on Liverpool won the league.
00:00:32Righty got me this.
00:00:33Did he?
00:00:35Brand placement.
00:00:36I'm not saying we won the league, though.
00:00:37Were you at City?
00:00:38No.
00:00:39Didn't go home.
00:00:40All good?
00:00:41You OK, lad?
00:00:44Using your adverts?
00:00:45No.
00:00:46Eating blueberries.
00:00:48Are you getting sponsored by them now?
00:00:50This episode of City Football is brought to you by blueberries.
00:00:53They're full of antioxidants.
00:00:55Cheers, mate.
00:00:56What's with the...
00:00:58Beanie hat?
00:00:59That's what I said.
00:01:00You've noticed it as well, even your Liverpool mates noticed it.
00:01:05Righty got it me.
00:01:06Do you know what I mean?
00:01:07Not noticed it, it's like a bit of a...
00:01:09It's like that fella from...
00:01:10Was it Coronation Street or Emmerdale?
00:01:12Benny.
00:01:13Benny.
00:01:14What's he from?
00:01:15Benny from...
00:01:16Crossroads.
00:01:17Crossroads.
00:01:18Crossroads.
00:01:19Hi, guys.
00:01:20OK.
00:01:21Hi, Jill.
00:01:22This way.
00:01:23You know what I was thinking about?
00:01:24Do you co-ordinate now before you come in?
00:01:25I know, actually.
00:01:26I've just realised that.
00:01:27Do you remember Brookside?
00:01:29Yeah, yeah.
00:01:30I used to like Brookside, yeah.
00:01:31What soaps have we got now?
00:01:32Emmerdale's still going.
00:01:33Brookside, sorry.
00:01:34Emmerdale, EastEnders, Coronation Street, Holyoak.
00:01:36Who's righty?
00:01:37The best soaps was Dallas.
00:01:39What's that?
00:01:40Dallas.
00:01:41Dallas.
00:01:42They're giving me shit for the hat.
00:01:43No, man, your hat looks good.
00:01:44Who gave you shit?
00:01:45These two.
00:01:46Who gave you shit for?
00:01:47Honestly.
00:01:48Who gave you shit, Kev?
00:01:49These two.
00:01:50Who gave him shit about his hat?
00:01:51Yeah.
00:01:52Why are you talking about his hat?
00:01:53Nick Harrah asked why he's wearing a hat.
00:01:54Yeah.
00:01:56Why are you talking about his hat?
00:01:57Nick Harrah asked why he's wearing a hat.
00:01:58Both of you don't want to wear hats.
00:01:59Why are you talking to somebody who wants to wear hats?
00:02:00I don't feel like one today.
00:02:01He's had his hair done.
00:02:02I had a nice shave from Layla.
00:02:03Have you seen this?
00:02:04Have you seen this?
00:02:05Did you see the Kunya video?
00:02:06No.
00:02:07You know, I could burst into tears sometimes, but I've watched this video.
00:02:08Oh, is it the wolves?
00:02:09Honestly, I swear, it's so beautiful.
00:02:10Have you seen it?
00:02:11No.
00:02:12Rob, watch this little boy, right?
00:02:13Watch.
00:02:14Gary, get him.
00:02:15Don't forget this, okay?
00:02:16Enjoy.
00:02:17Enjoy.
00:02:18Enjoy.
00:02:19Enjoy.
00:02:20Enjoy.
00:02:21Enjoy.
00:02:22Enjoy.
00:02:23Enjoy.
00:02:25I like how he speaks to her.
00:02:26Look at his face.
00:02:27Is it like this?
00:02:28Yeah, it's very crazy.
00:02:29I like it.
00:02:30It's like this.
00:02:31Yeah, Kunya, yeah.
00:02:32And then watch.
00:02:33Oh, that's so cute.
00:02:34But wait a minute.
00:02:35Goes back.
00:02:36Goes back to visit him.
00:02:37Oh.
00:02:38Hey, how are you?
00:02:39Nice to meet you.
00:02:40Are you good?
00:02:41Yeah.
00:02:42Yeah, I can go in?
00:02:43Can you come in?
00:02:44Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:45Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:46Can you come in?
00:02:47Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:48Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:49Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:50Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:51Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:52Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:53Yeah, I can go in.
00:02:54Can you come in?
00:02:55Yeah.
00:02:56Yeah?
00:02:58Excuse me.
00:02:59We have some gifts for you.
00:03:00Yeah.
00:03:01You need to see if you like it.
00:03:02Yeah.
00:03:03Yeah?
00:03:04We can sit here?
00:03:05Yeah.
00:03:06I bring you some new things.
00:03:07I know I have already one.
00:03:08They don't do nothing.
00:03:09They don't highlight enough of this.
00:03:10You know what?
00:03:11Don't footballers do good stuff?
00:03:12This is what I'm saying.
00:03:13You know what I mean?
00:03:14Just be honest.
00:03:15You've got to watch that.
00:03:16Everyone likes football.
00:03:17You know what the thing is?
00:03:18This is what I'm saying about it.
00:03:19You know when we have to do it, especially when you have to do that at Christmas?
00:03:20Yeah.
00:03:21When you go to the hospitals.
00:03:22It's one of the most harrowing times because you know that they're really sick.
00:03:25Yeah.
00:03:26But honestly, it makes you realise how fortunate you are now.
00:03:29That's lovely.
00:03:30What football can give.
00:03:31Honestly.
00:03:32Do you know what was lovely last night?
00:03:33The Palace's last goal.
00:03:35The ex-Arsenal had it scored.
00:03:36Oh, Eddie.
00:03:37Did you see the players' reaction to it?
00:03:39It was beautiful, wasn't it?
00:03:40Do you know what it is?
00:03:41I know.
00:03:42They obviously knew how much it meant to them.
00:03:43I like it.
00:03:44I like it.
00:03:45I like it.
00:03:46I like it.
00:03:47I like it.
00:03:48I like it.
00:03:49I like it.
00:03:50I like it.
00:03:51But the reaction of the players was beautiful.
00:03:53It's nice because they know.
00:03:54As a forward, especially you go in there, he's come from Arsenal.
00:03:57Beautiful.
00:03:58He's gone there from the Palace fans are saying, what have we done?
00:04:01What have we bought?
00:04:02I know that he's capable of something, but he's got somewhere in himself, he's got to
00:04:06find it and get it out there.
00:04:07So when you see the players celebrate with him, they want it for him as well because
00:04:12they know if it gets to that kind of form, he's going to help them.
00:04:16It was lovely.
00:04:17Really nice.
00:04:18Really nice.
00:04:19Hang on a minute.
00:04:20You should be still at Arsenal.
00:04:22I've got three badges here.
00:04:24I've only got three badges.
00:04:25Who's going to take...
00:04:26What are they?
00:04:27You know, Rockmont, my team in Ireland, 100 years old.
00:04:29Neve, you've been to it.
00:04:30Jamie, you've been to it.
00:04:31Oh.
00:04:32I'll get you one.
00:04:33We're short.
00:04:34No, you can have it.
00:04:35No, no, no, Joe.
00:04:36No, no, no.
00:04:37I'll get you one.
00:04:38You're 100 years old?
00:04:39Just take whatever you can, my friend.
00:04:41Oh, Rockmont.
00:04:42Rockmont, the team we went to visit.
00:04:43No, Rockmont.
00:04:44Cove were 100 years old a few years ago.
00:04:46Obviously, Rockmont this year.
00:04:47Is this the pub where we went in?
00:04:48It was like the little...
00:04:50No, that's...
00:04:51Oh, yeah.
00:04:52Yeah, Rockmont.
00:04:53The guys with the green blazers on.
00:04:54Yeah, yeah.
00:04:55Who looked after us.
00:04:56Yeah, Rockmont.
00:04:57100 years old.
00:04:58Yeah.
00:04:59I obviously didn't get invited.
00:05:00Your road trips do look fun, though.
00:05:01They do look fun.
00:05:02There you go.
00:05:03It's nice, eh?
00:05:04Do you want to have a look?
00:05:05Have you got one on, right?
00:05:06It's nice, no?
00:05:07You only had three of them.
00:05:08AFC.
00:05:09There you go.
00:05:10I'm back in Corcoran, actually.
00:05:11I'll get some more.
00:05:12I'll get one for me and you.
00:05:13Yeah, make sure.
00:05:14It's for the staff.
00:05:15Right.
00:05:16A little Adidas CP company collaboration.
00:05:17It looks a little bit like one of those...
00:05:20I can't win.
00:05:21That does look nice.
00:05:22A little collab.
00:05:23A little collab.
00:05:24It's like a little baby collab.
00:05:25I like it.
00:05:26Cold.
00:05:27I like that.
00:05:28It's a collab, isn't it?
00:05:29That's really nice.
00:05:30I like what Adidas have done with it.
00:05:31Instagram, don't you?
00:05:32If I wore that, you'd be going,
00:05:33oh, look at him with your...
00:05:34Oh!
00:05:35A new phone.
00:05:36A phone.
00:05:37There we go.
00:05:38My phone died last week.
00:05:39Give it here.
00:05:40It just...
00:05:41We finally got a new...
00:05:42It completely...
00:05:43A new screen.
00:05:44Completely fell off.
00:05:45A new phone.
00:05:46Roy Keane.
00:05:47My phone just died.
00:05:48It was on its last legs, though.
00:05:49Can you hold my information?
00:05:50Can I switch it off?
00:05:51That explains why he's not texting me back for a few weeks.
00:05:52Yeah.
00:05:53Undecided.
00:05:54No, you have to press...
00:05:55Can we just switch it off?
00:05:56Can you switch it off?
00:05:57Yes.
00:05:58No, not all together.
00:05:59I've just come to argue.
00:06:00Good.
00:06:01Don't switch it off.
00:06:02Because, you know, when your voice went...
00:06:03Gravelly.
00:06:04You know, you left...
00:06:05You're gutted you left.
00:06:06But, like, when you...
00:06:07His voice went...
00:06:08Oh, it went.
00:06:09That's when you should have started singing Morrissey
00:06:10or you should have started singing something
00:06:11because your voice would have been ready for it.
00:06:13I know.
00:06:14My voice went completely.
00:06:15Where?
00:06:16When?
00:06:17Last week.
00:06:18Lovely.
00:06:19Well done.
00:06:20It was so good.
00:06:21Happy go...
00:06:22How did you feel under pressure?
00:06:23How did you feel?
00:06:24I'm glad it's done.
00:06:25Yeah, I'm glad it's done now, I think, yeah.
00:06:26Yeah, it was...
00:06:27I enjoyed it.
00:06:28It was lovely.
00:06:29What was the highlight?
00:06:30I mean, I...
00:06:31When it was over?
00:06:32Oh, Kakao was funny.
00:06:33Kakao.
00:06:34You like the Kakao?
00:06:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:36Did you seriously?
00:06:37I like bits of it.
00:06:38You know what?
00:06:39The thing with the Kakao,
00:06:40it's one of those that has to go for a while
00:06:41for you to get into.
00:06:42Yeah.
00:06:43Yeah.
00:06:44The only thing I'd say about the guests,
00:06:45people you said you've known a long time
00:06:46was that Jill were there.
00:06:47Did you feel you had to invite them
00:06:50because of the podcast stuff?
00:06:51No, because he loved us.
00:06:52He doesn't know the two of you.
00:06:53He doesn't know the two of you.
00:06:54He's a part of the family.
00:06:55He got rid of all his friends, didn't he?
00:06:58They're at 18.
00:06:59Yeah, but he does know Jill.
00:07:00Yeah, I know he does.
00:07:01I hate that they were there
00:07:02that he felt he had to bring them.
00:07:03You know what?
00:07:04At least we were dancing.
00:07:05You never got up once.
00:07:06Righty.
00:07:07I was trying to get him up.
00:07:08You were so annoying.
00:07:09What's annoying with him?
00:07:10You know what's annoying with him?
00:07:11He's sitting there,
00:07:12he's going like this with them,
00:07:13he's dancing on the chair.
00:07:14Oh, righty.
00:07:15You were so annoying.
00:07:16How was I annoying?
00:07:17You know, you go to a party,
00:07:18but some people don't want to.
00:07:19I enjoy watching people dance.
00:07:21I never ever want to.
00:07:22I never want to.
00:07:23I like watching my family dance.
00:07:24I never want to.
00:07:25You've had your say.
00:07:26I never want to sit to him coming down.
00:07:28There's other people not dancing
00:07:29and people come up to you going,
00:07:30oh, dance?
00:07:31There's other people not dancing.
00:07:32And listen to this guy here.
00:07:34For two days,
00:07:35righty's like this on the hike.
00:07:36Oh, my knee.
00:07:37Oh, my knee.
00:07:38Oh, my knee.
00:07:39Then Prince comes on.
00:07:40I thought Michael Jackson's in the house.
00:07:45Righty's dancing,
00:07:46and I'm going,
00:07:47you couldn't walk for two days?
00:07:48We did 12 hours dancing over two days.
00:07:51And that's fine,
00:07:52but what's wrong with people
00:07:53who don't want to dance?
00:07:54You just look a bit moody.
00:07:55No, I'm not moody.
00:07:56I was loving it.
00:07:57Christ's sake.
00:07:58I'm sick of it.
00:07:59People going,
00:08:00oh, come on, dance.
00:08:01I don't want to fucking dance.
00:08:02I danced for years
00:08:03and people going,
00:08:04get off the dance floor.
00:08:05No, I don't want to dance.
00:08:06People saying,
00:08:07get on the dance floor.
00:08:08I haven't danced for years.
00:08:09I haven't danced for years.
00:08:10I dance at home.
00:08:11You were so annoying.
00:08:12But there's other people not dancing.
00:08:13No one was going over to them.
00:08:14You didn't go to anybody else, Jill.
00:08:15Yeah, everybody else got up.
00:08:16No, no, no.
00:08:17Everybody else got up.
00:08:18No, no, no.
00:08:19Hold on a second.
00:08:20Before everyone got up,
00:08:21who needs it?
00:08:22I think there was enough dancing
00:08:23done by the Keane family.
00:08:25Honestly,
00:08:26the Keane family
00:08:27were well represented
00:08:28on the dance floor.
00:08:29Very well represented
00:08:30on the dance floor.
00:08:31Let's leave that alone.
00:08:32That's still going on.
00:08:33Righty,
00:08:34how annoying was he
00:08:35on the quiz?
00:08:36You know,
00:08:37obviously,
00:08:38when you're in the teams
00:08:39for the quiz.
00:08:40Yeah, but that's what happens
00:08:41with him.
00:08:42He takes over everything
00:08:44and he's so useless
00:08:45and shouts at you
00:08:46then to get the answer.
00:08:47And then he says,
00:08:48see, I told you.
00:08:49That's what I thought.
00:08:50What was the question
00:08:51about the Keane
00:08:52that was like,
00:08:53was it 60 million,
00:08:5470 million,
00:08:55or 80 million?
00:08:56We said 70.
00:08:57And I said 70 million.
00:08:58And you were going,
00:08:59it's 60, it's 60.
00:09:00So I was like,
00:09:01right,
00:09:02let's just put Roy's answer down
00:09:03because else he's going to kick off.
00:09:04So we'll put 60 down.
00:09:05And then he starts shouting at us
00:09:06when he said 70.
00:09:07I was like,
00:09:08yeah.
00:09:09And he went,
00:09:10well, obviously, Jill,
00:09:11I didn't add the bat.
00:09:12He was like,
00:09:13brilliant though, girl.
00:09:14How many more podcasts
00:09:15have we got left?
00:09:16Four.
00:09:17Before the end of the season.
00:09:18About,
00:09:19probably about seven or eight.
00:09:20Seven or eight.
00:09:21Why are you leaving?
00:09:22Not enough.
00:09:23Just,
00:09:24just abuse.
00:09:25Just abuse.
00:09:26I had a great time.
00:09:27Brilliant time.
00:09:28Absolutely brilliant time.
00:09:29It was good.
00:09:30It was good.
00:09:31Everyone can go
00:09:32on the dance floor.
00:09:33Well done, girl.
00:09:34And the quiz,
00:09:35you're useless at quizzes.
00:09:36Jill, you don't,
00:09:37you talk like you're 11
00:09:38going,
00:09:39I don't remember that.
00:09:40I don't remember this.
00:09:41I'm 12 years younger than you.
00:09:42And you're sitting there
00:09:43with a bottle of wine
00:09:44with his wife.
00:09:45You're going,
00:09:46why'd he join in?
00:09:47You're like,
00:09:48you're there,
00:09:49but you're not there.
00:09:50You know,
00:09:51like,
00:09:52I'm too cool.
00:09:53You didn't answer
00:09:54any questions.
00:09:55You didn't answer
00:09:56any questions.
00:09:57You didn't answer
00:09:58any questions.
00:09:59Who got Neville Chamberlain?
00:10:00Did you get Neville Chamberlain?
00:10:01What was that one for?
00:10:02For the Neville,
00:10:03obviously.
00:10:04A question.
00:10:05The Prime Minister
00:10:06with Neville.
00:10:07Did you get Neville Chamberlain?
00:10:08Because you were wrong
00:10:09when he was there.
00:10:10That's it.
00:10:11How do you drag it?
00:10:12Honestly.
00:10:13Yeah,
00:10:14I thought I had a really good time,
00:10:15but...
00:10:16What's good on your table?
00:10:17He's just too competitive.
00:10:18At least,
00:10:19James was,
00:10:20I love James.
00:10:21James is one of those guys
00:10:22on a dance floor
00:10:23with his drink
00:10:24and it doesn't matter
00:10:25who's in the way,
00:10:26he'll do any move.
00:10:27There was one move
00:10:28Jamie could do
00:10:29in this movie.
00:10:30Like...
00:10:31If it was going to be
00:10:32that goal,
00:10:33he scored
00:10:34at about 18
00:10:35against Aston Villa.
00:10:36Celebrate him.
00:10:37Brilliant,
00:10:38brilliant goal.
00:10:39What was the song
00:10:40Piano Man
00:10:41when you were kicking off
00:10:42with the band?
00:10:43I know.
00:10:44You can't look up the lyrics.
00:10:45Tell you what,
00:10:46you're incredible,
00:10:47aren't you?
00:10:48I know.
00:10:49Good,
00:10:50the band were excellent.
00:10:51All them people
00:10:52at a party.
00:10:53Remember everything
00:10:54that's happened.
00:10:55You know,
00:10:56you wake up the next day,
00:10:57oh,
00:10:58remember,
00:10:59oh,
00:11:00you said,
00:11:01oh,
00:11:02remember that?
00:11:03No,
00:11:04but it was funny.
00:11:05Oh,
00:11:06get old.
00:11:07Yeah,
00:11:08I'm a midfielder.
00:11:09No,
00:11:10I have to watch things.
00:11:11I'm a midfielder.
00:11:12You expect danger.
00:11:13Who's going to kick off?
00:11:14Who's going to try
00:11:15and pull somebody?
00:11:16Whatever.
00:11:17I watch people.
00:11:18There was people
00:11:19walking home
00:11:20with a glass of wine
00:11:21for two days.
00:11:22The same glass of wine.
00:11:23They weren't even drinking.
00:11:24They were like,
00:11:25oh,
00:11:26aren't I cool?
00:11:27And I'm like,
00:11:28drink it.
00:11:29You know,
00:11:30I just...
00:11:31People wanted to...
00:11:32Gin wasn't drinking.
00:11:33No,
00:11:34it got topped up.
00:11:35A glass of wine
00:11:36and you were down.
00:11:37It's brilliant, girl.
00:11:38You know the band?
00:11:39It was really good.
00:11:40Are they close friends of yours?
00:11:41No.
00:11:42No,
00:11:43they were...
00:11:44They were very good.
00:11:45Yeah,
00:11:46they were very good.
00:11:47Were they a Bruce Springsteen singer?
00:11:48No,
00:11:49no,
00:11:50the Irish band.
00:11:51Picture this,
00:11:52picture this.
00:11:53I love this.
00:11:54They were singing
00:11:55but they were looking at the phone
00:11:56and I was thinking,
00:11:57I know it's not their song.
00:11:58Yeah,
00:11:59that was just a couple
00:12:00of things at the end.
00:12:01We asked them for a,
00:12:02what was it called?
00:12:03A live lounge.
00:12:04I think we asked them
00:12:05to do a live lounge.
00:12:06Yeah.
00:12:07I mean,
00:12:08it's fair enough, isn't it?
00:12:09It wasn't in the set,
00:12:10was it?
00:12:11Yeah.
00:12:12Do you know,
00:12:13the security drag joke,
00:12:14that was alright.
00:12:15His wife,
00:12:16his wife.
00:12:17Yeah,
00:12:18that's alright,
00:12:19that was your wife.
00:12:20Village OL,
00:12:21Village OL.
00:12:22But it was lovely,
00:12:23yeah,
00:12:24your family,
00:12:25you should be proud.
00:12:26Beautiful.
00:12:27Really nice.
00:12:29Seeing that,
00:12:30it was freezing up there.
00:12:31That cold water.
00:12:32I didn't warm up until Thursday.
00:12:33You did the cold water,
00:12:34didn't you?
00:12:36No wonder you were dancing
00:12:37to keep warm.
00:12:38It was cold,
00:12:39wasn't it?
00:12:40Was there any benefit
00:12:41from that cold water?
00:12:42Oh,
00:12:43I don't care.
00:12:44You know what I've done as well,
00:12:45Jane,
00:12:46because the water was so cold
00:12:47when I went in,
00:12:48I cut my toe,
00:12:49and I didn't feel it
00:12:50until we warmed up.
00:12:51It was terrible,
00:12:52right on the nail,
00:12:53cut it right there.
00:12:54It didn't bother you
00:12:55when Prince came on,
00:12:56did it?
00:12:57No,
00:12:58to be honest,
00:12:59when Prince comes on,
00:13:00I have to do my bit.
00:13:01I thought you were like,
00:13:02you're all day spending
00:13:03for Palace,
00:13:04do you see my moves?
00:13:05You were very good.
00:13:06I didn't want to say anything.
00:13:07Oh,
00:13:08there would be,
00:13:09Jill thinks everything you do
00:13:10is good,
00:13:11doesn't she?
00:13:12Because she's like my sis.
00:13:13He's the guy
00:13:14who holds the ball up
00:13:15and there's people
00:13:16trying to run in.
00:13:17You can't rely on one player
00:13:18being fit
00:13:19and your whole eggs
00:13:20in one basket.
00:13:21I'm sorry,
00:13:22that's not right.
00:13:23Tony Adams was there.
00:13:24Yeah,
00:13:25because he was a fighter.
00:13:26If Bruno's not there,
00:13:27United are in the relegation places.
00:13:28It's an absolute mess.
00:13:29The club has run out of cash.
00:13:30It's like they're
00:13:31scamming United.
00:13:32I think he's a good player,
00:13:33but I don't know
00:13:34if he's a good captain.
00:13:35You said that hierarchy
00:13:36would fall away
00:13:37as soon as Klopp went.
00:13:38No,
00:13:39I generally think
00:13:40that FSG aren't as popular
00:13:41with Liverpool fans.
00:13:42Because you need social media,
00:13:43they're absolute cranks.
00:13:44Oh my God.
00:13:45Liverpool need a striker.
00:13:46Arsenal need a striker.
00:13:47Why aren't they buying them?
00:13:48Because they're not out there.
00:13:49Jake,
00:13:50he's now monitoring
00:13:51your every move.
00:13:52Go on,
00:13:53Winton,
00:13:54just win.
00:13:55Liverpool,
00:13:56have they won the league?
00:13:57Of course.
00:13:58Yeah.
00:13:59It's done.
00:14:00Yeah.
00:14:01You know something
00:14:02being in second,
00:14:03it sounds very negative
00:14:04me saying that,
00:14:05but you have to look
00:14:06at what they're doing
00:14:07in February,
00:14:08what they've done
00:14:09up to this point.
00:14:10A great start there
00:14:11to the season.
00:14:12People are saying
00:14:13it's an easy start
00:14:14apart from Forrest.
00:14:15But they've done everything
00:14:16out how you'd expect
00:14:17them to do.
00:14:18You've not been tested yet
00:14:19or have you?
00:14:20No,
00:14:21I haven't played any more.
00:14:22You know,
00:14:23it's like for me,
00:14:24with Slott especially,
00:14:25what he's done,
00:14:26especially
00:14:27with those three guys,
00:14:28with Virg,
00:14:29with Trent
00:14:31and with Salah,
00:14:32quietening that noise
00:14:33even when people
00:14:34were trying to bring
00:14:35the noise up,
00:14:36to steady it like that
00:14:37and then still
00:14:38march into it like this.
00:14:39You have to say
00:14:40that they're easily
00:14:41in prime position.
00:14:42You know,
00:14:43I haven't mentioned
00:14:44this before,
00:14:45I was thinking about
00:14:46you just mentioned
00:14:47the Forrest game
00:14:48and the Forrest game
00:14:49came really early
00:14:50in the season.
00:14:51It's one of those results
00:14:52where you think,
00:14:53ooh.
00:14:54And don't forget,
00:14:55under clock,
00:14:56Liverpool never really
00:14:57went short of years
00:14:58about losing at home.
00:14:59Nothing to do with the league.
00:15:00They played AC Milan away.
00:15:01Yeah,
00:15:02a few days later.
00:15:03A few days later,
00:15:04they were getting beat 1-0.
00:15:05I think AC Milan scored
00:15:06within three or four minutes
00:15:07and it was that thing of like,
00:15:08they ended up winning I think,
00:15:09I think it was 3-1,
00:15:102-1 or 3-1
00:15:11and I just look back
00:15:12at that game
00:15:13sort of now
00:15:14because you just mentioned
00:15:15Forrest and thinking,
00:15:16that was a big moment
00:15:17for the manager that.
00:15:18You know if you go
00:15:19lose at home to Forrest,
00:15:20I don't know if Milan
00:15:21might have been the first game
00:15:22of the championship,
00:15:23you lose away,
00:15:24you get beat 1-0.
00:15:25That was probably
00:15:26a massive turning point
00:15:27that AC Milan game
00:15:28because they're not
00:15:29the AC Milan of all
00:15:30but it's still the San Siro,
00:15:31AC Milan,
00:15:32you know a big game
00:15:33so that was probably
00:15:34a big game.
00:15:35And you know what as well,
00:15:36they've got like
00:15:37the three players as well.
00:15:38You mentioned,
00:15:39I mentioned Virgil,
00:15:40obviously you have to mention
00:15:41Gravenberg
00:15:42but we're looking at
00:15:43Mo Salah having,
00:15:44I think it's one of
00:15:45the greatest season ever.
00:15:46He's just absolutely incredible.
00:15:47He's definitely been
00:15:48my favourite player
00:15:49of the season.
00:15:50Did you think it was
00:15:51crazy how City
00:15:52set up against them
00:15:53with Forden
00:15:54as the nine?
00:15:55Well Forden was poor anyway
00:15:56wasn't he?
00:15:58He hasn't had an off season
00:15:59has he?
00:16:00No, he's really off.
00:16:01Even his first touch,
00:16:02his first few touches
00:16:03were proper bonks
00:16:04and off him.
00:16:05Opposite of way off
00:16:06aren't they?
00:16:07They are way off.
00:16:08Yeah, I think he was good
00:16:09in there at like,
00:16:10obviously keep,
00:16:11the first 10-15 minutes
00:16:12I thought,
00:16:13this could be alright
00:16:14but obviously because
00:16:15we're missing Haaland
00:16:16so they thought
00:16:17we're going to avoid
00:16:18that Van Dijk put
00:16:19Forden there
00:16:20obviously just to add
00:16:21a number but then
00:16:22when they were,
00:16:23like he was coming out
00:16:24they then missed the
00:16:25runner in behind
00:16:26maybe, maybe
00:16:27but then a lot of times
00:16:28then he was kind of
00:16:29chasing back a little
00:16:30but it's amazing
00:16:31when you look at Arsenal
00:16:32we talk about Arsenal
00:16:33having a striker
00:16:34obviously Haaland struggling
00:16:35and these big clubs
00:16:36who've spent fortunes
00:16:37haven't got a backup striker
00:16:38isn't it bizarre?
00:16:39When we played United
00:16:40or you played Liverpool
00:16:41you always had 4-5
00:16:42really decent strikers
00:16:43some were squad players
00:16:44that would come in
00:16:45and do a job
00:16:46they wouldn't be
00:16:47your main men
00:16:48and City are going
00:16:49into a big game
00:16:50and City are trying
00:16:51to get back
00:16:52get back in the race
00:16:53for top four
00:16:54and they've got
00:16:55top four
00:16:56isn't it mad?
00:16:57Arsenal are playing
00:16:58against West Ham
00:16:59at your whole football club
00:17:00no recognised striker
00:17:01for all your planning
00:17:02and recruitment
00:17:03people must be sitting
00:17:04there going
00:17:05just what if
00:17:06happens to our main striker?
00:17:07Especially when you look
00:17:08at how they just went
00:17:09once Moosh came
00:17:10they went bam
00:17:11just went and got him
00:17:12you've got to go
00:17:13and get that person
00:17:14you've got to go
00:17:15and get that person
00:17:16like look at us
00:17:17like three years
00:17:18we've needed a striker
00:17:19five winders
00:17:20I actually thought
00:17:21Forden was doing okay
00:17:22in the first ten minutes
00:17:23I'm sure I saw Slott
00:17:24go down to the actual
00:17:25touchline and say
00:17:26to Van Dijk
00:17:27go in
00:17:28yeah he did
00:17:29and he literally
00:17:30followed him in
00:17:31the next time
00:17:32it was almost
00:17:33from that point on
00:17:34it was almost like
00:17:35you never saw him again
00:17:36because he then
00:17:37started going deeper
00:17:38obviously beyond the midfield
00:17:39and I thought
00:17:40the first ten minutes
00:17:41I thought oh actually
00:17:42probably just caught him
00:17:43out a little bit
00:17:44but City did get
00:17:45into good positions
00:17:46they did put some
00:17:47balls across the box
00:17:48you weren't looking
00:17:49at City going
00:17:50they're all over
00:17:51the place
00:17:52but again them
00:17:53doing well
00:17:54on that side
00:17:55but he was doing
00:17:56exactly the same thing
00:17:57he was going to come
00:17:58in and try to
00:17:59and they just had that
00:18:00blocked off
00:18:01whether it was
00:18:02Collate or
00:18:03and it seemed like
00:18:04that was their only
00:18:05avenue
00:18:06the position we were
00:18:07in in the studio
00:18:08that's right on top
00:18:09of that
00:18:10and every time
00:18:11Doku went to that
00:18:12sat and then
00:18:13he'd look up
00:18:14and Van Dijk and
00:18:15Carruther just stood there
00:18:16but the work
00:18:17rate of Mo Salah
00:18:18to get back in
00:18:19that eyeline of Doku
00:18:20so every time
00:18:21he got past Trent
00:18:22Liverpool the recovery
00:18:23to get back
00:18:24I think that's been
00:18:25one of them
00:18:26it's Mo Salah
00:18:27not one of them
00:18:28strikers
00:18:29I know he's getting
00:18:30the plaudits now
00:18:31but over the last few years
00:18:32there's still a few
00:18:33little doubts about him
00:18:34and he had his little
00:18:35follow-up
00:18:36it was a clop last year
00:18:37and he was taken off
00:18:38I was never putting
00:18:39Salah up there
00:18:40but after this year
00:18:41I always rate him
00:18:42of course I thought
00:18:43he was a brilliant
00:18:44but this year I'm going
00:18:45no I'm putting you
00:18:46in the X
00:18:47it's really interesting
00:18:48because
00:18:49see Liverpool fans love him
00:18:50talking about him
00:18:51it was the first time
00:18:52I could almost
00:18:53you could feel it
00:18:54with supporters like
00:18:55this is the time
00:18:56to cash in here
00:18:57because the year before
00:18:58it was like
00:18:59100 million
00:19:00but they didn't turn
00:19:01on him though did Jimmy
00:19:02did they turn on him
00:19:03when he had his little
00:19:04bust up
00:19:05you always said
00:19:06Liverpool fans were
00:19:07always back the manager
00:19:08but they didn't turn
00:19:09on him either
00:19:10and there was a few
00:19:11tantrums on it
00:19:12there was not one
00:19:13I thought there was
00:19:14maybe three or four
00:19:15wasn't there
00:19:16when he got taken off
00:19:17yeah a few little bits
00:19:18he went to the
00:19:19African Cup of Nations
00:19:20and again it was the
00:19:21first time you could
00:19:22ever go oh
00:19:23he was injured
00:19:24wasn't fully fit
00:19:25and it was a case of
00:19:26Liverpool turned down
00:19:27I think about
00:19:28probably about
00:19:29120, 150 million
00:19:30the season before
00:19:31for him
00:19:32when the Saudi thing
00:19:33first kicked off
00:19:34and it was like
00:19:35okay can we still
00:19:36get that money
00:19:37a year later
00:19:38but he ended up
00:19:39staying
00:19:40I think the version
00:19:41of Mo Salah now
00:19:42is much better
00:19:43than even his
00:19:44first season
00:19:45I think he got
00:19:4647 goals I think
00:19:47but this is a
00:19:48complete
00:19:50he's done an
00:19:51interview not too long
00:19:52ago
00:19:53a few weeks back now
00:19:54and people were
00:19:55talking about
00:19:56people saying that
00:19:57sometimes in games
00:19:58he kind of
00:19:59disappears out of
00:20:00the game
00:20:01but then all of a
00:20:02sudden
00:20:03he says but
00:20:04I've realised
00:20:05at this stage of
00:20:06my career
00:20:07it's about moments
00:20:08and delivering
00:20:09in the moments
00:20:10and like I said
00:20:11I don't think
00:20:12I've seen
00:20:13for many many years
00:20:14I know with Thierry
00:20:15he was doing
00:20:16his great stuff
00:20:17when he was playing
00:20:18I think these top
00:20:19players would watch
00:20:20people like Messi
00:20:21and watch how their
00:20:22careers keep going
00:20:23on and again
00:20:24it is these lads
00:20:25go I'll come back
00:20:26maybe and I'll
00:20:27slot it but they're
00:20:28not going to be
00:20:29tackling people
00:20:30and chasing people
00:20:31they might come
00:20:32back into position
00:20:33but they're like
00:20:34I'll be judged on
00:20:35what I do when I
00:20:36get the ball
00:20:37and if they're
00:20:38producing you
00:20:39forgive all the
00:20:40other bits
00:20:41I used to get
00:20:42annoyed with
00:20:43Eric sometimes
00:20:44you win one
00:20:45early scores
00:20:46but I think he's
00:20:47in that game
00:20:48what I would say
00:20:49is I think it's him
00:20:50but also I think
00:20:51it's a tactic
00:20:52not a tactic as such
00:20:53but I think the
00:20:54manager's clever enough
00:20:55when you actually
00:20:56watch Liverpool
00:20:57if you're looking
00:20:58down on all the
00:20:59players that are on
00:21:00the pitch
00:21:01you'll see Mo Salah
00:21:02standing on the
00:21:03right wing
00:21:04basically when
00:21:05Liverpool are
00:21:06defending
00:21:07and Liverpool
00:21:08have had joy from
00:21:09that in terms of
00:21:10counter attacking
00:21:11and I can never
00:21:12get out of my head
00:21:13when we first
00:21:14went with Sky
00:21:15to the Champions
00:21:16he'd just be
00:21:17walking
00:21:18he wouldn't move
00:21:19and you'd be like
00:21:20you can't criticise Messi
00:21:21you're almost
00:21:22transfixed by what
00:21:23he's doing
00:21:24the game's going on
00:21:25he'd be thinking
00:21:26what is he doing
00:21:27where is he going
00:21:28and he'd be constantly
00:21:29just checking his
00:21:30shoulders with him
00:21:31and as soon as he
00:21:32needed to come alive
00:21:33he'd do that
00:21:34and I think
00:21:35Mo Salah's got a
00:21:36little bit about him
00:21:37this season
00:21:38of like
00:21:39his experience
00:21:40maturity
00:21:41I don't need to
00:21:42be here
00:21:43but I'm going to
00:21:44come alive
00:21:45and they can't get
00:21:46back into it
00:21:47but as you said
00:21:48Messi
00:21:49we've all seen videos
00:21:50where there's just
00:21:51cameras on Messi
00:21:52and he is watching
00:21:53he's just looking
00:21:54prowling
00:21:55you get to another
00:21:56level when you're
00:21:57a player
00:21:58you're able
00:21:59see some players
00:22:00and they say
00:22:01look at him
00:22:02look at his body
00:22:03look at him
00:22:04he's just walking
00:22:05around
00:22:06you get to a level
00:22:07like what Messi's
00:22:08taking
00:22:09obviously Mo's
00:22:10at that level
00:22:11where they can
00:22:12walk about
00:22:13because you said
00:22:14it's not your style
00:22:15was it really?
00:22:16No I had to
00:22:17keep moving
00:22:18but like
00:22:19especially with
00:22:20their manager
00:22:21someone like
00:22:22George Graham
00:22:23No I'm thinking
00:22:24more later when you
00:22:25were at Tottenham
00:22:26Even with Wenger
00:22:27you had to be
00:22:28constantly on the move
00:22:29I wasn't that
00:22:30player where
00:22:31they seemed
00:22:32that they could
00:22:33drop in and
00:22:34pick the ball up
00:22:35and zoom at people
00:22:36I was on the
00:22:37furthest line up
00:22:38forward
00:22:39on the shoulder
00:22:40I think if
00:22:41United
00:22:42I mean
00:22:43I spoke about
00:22:44this where he's
00:22:45in front of me
00:22:46on the right wing
00:22:47I was thinking
00:22:48Did the manager
00:22:49say he didn't have to?
00:22:50No
00:22:51it got to a point
00:22:52where we all
00:22:53accepted
00:22:54when his numbers
00:22:55started to get
00:22:56to the 35-40 season
00:22:57you almost said
00:22:58do what you want
00:22:59it almost gets to
00:23:00that point where
00:23:01you say I'm sorry
00:23:02there has to be
00:23:03a different rule
00:23:04for him
00:23:05which to be fair
00:23:06doesn't exist
00:23:07in a team
00:23:08particularly one
00:23:09team that's
00:23:10working really
00:23:11hard to do well
00:23:12I think Salah
00:23:13is in a golden
00:23:14moment
00:23:15I mean obviously
00:23:16the goals
00:23:17the assists
00:23:18I said this to you
00:23:19the other day
00:23:20when did he start
00:23:21becoming someone
00:23:22who could hold
00:23:23off six foot two
00:23:24defenders
00:23:25hold it
00:23:26pin them
00:23:27bring it down
00:23:28and just pop it off
00:23:29I mean
00:23:30Alisson's knocking
00:23:31balls to him
00:23:32and I'm like
00:23:33as a defender
00:23:34I've got to stand
00:23:35in front of him
00:23:36I've got to try
00:23:37and wrestle him
00:23:38and he's holding
00:23:39off by the
00:23:40arm on Sunday
00:23:41he is a really good
00:23:42footballer
00:23:43he is a really good
00:23:44footballer
00:23:45he's gone somewhere
00:23:46else
00:23:47absolutely petrified
00:23:48because like
00:23:49you look at someone
00:23:50like Guardiola
00:23:51who is bigger
00:23:52than him
00:23:53but once he's
00:23:54got in a position
00:23:55and the ball is
00:23:56coming in
00:23:57Guardiola now
00:23:58is shitting himself
00:23:59especially
00:24:00and Mo knows that
00:24:01that's the thing
00:24:02he knows that now
00:24:03where does this rank
00:24:04in terms of
00:24:05managers achievements
00:24:06because none of us
00:24:07had Liverpool
00:24:08winning the league
00:24:09and there are not
00:24:10absolutely
00:24:11so what I'm saying
00:24:12the point is
00:24:13no one had Liverpool
00:24:14winning the league
00:24:15that was good
00:24:16that was really good
00:24:17I didn't say they
00:24:18but last year
00:24:19they were in the mix
00:24:20with five six games
00:24:21to go
00:24:22I'm not saying
00:24:23it's a shock
00:24:24but when you get
00:24:25back to the start
00:24:26of the season
00:24:27let's not rewrite
00:24:28history
00:24:29no signings
00:24:30losing Klopp
00:24:31you're thinking
00:24:32hang on a minute
00:24:33this is sort of like
00:24:34this could go a little
00:24:35but isn't it great
00:24:36also you're trying
00:24:37to put yourself
00:24:38with the Liverpool
00:24:40I know people talk
00:24:41but where do we rank it
00:24:42where do we rank this
00:24:43in terms of
00:24:44where do we rank this
00:24:45in terms of managerial
00:24:46injuries have affected
00:24:47City and Arsenal
00:24:48so bad
00:24:49haven't they
00:24:50I think Mourinho
00:24:51would still probably
00:24:52just rank above it
00:24:53for me in terms of
00:24:54Chelsea had never won
00:24:55a league title
00:24:56for me Chelsea probably
00:24:57don't you think
00:24:58that Liverpool
00:24:59I think Chelsea
00:25:00this season before
00:25:01had finished second
00:25:02my point being is
00:25:03Chelsea have been
00:25:04both like
00:25:05we're just spending
00:25:0656
00:25:07I mean Raniere
00:25:09I think to me
00:25:10I think Jose
00:25:11and Slot
00:25:12is the one I'm looking at
00:25:13I think
00:25:14I think
00:25:15Slot
00:25:16and probably Wenger
00:25:17winning the double
00:25:18even though Wenger
00:25:19came in the year before
00:25:20but he was happy
00:25:21it took a couple of years
00:25:22no no it was his first
00:25:23full season
00:25:24he was still a bit in
00:25:25I get that
00:25:26but what I'm saying is
00:25:27Arsenal were a team
00:25:28who were finishing
00:25:295th and 6th
00:25:30I think Arsenal
00:25:31maybe finished 5th or 6th
00:25:32Wenger had been there
00:25:33so ok
00:25:34but to win the double
00:25:35in his first season
00:25:36full season
00:25:37so probably Slot
00:25:38Slot might win
00:25:39what do we know
00:25:40Slot will win the league
00:25:41I've probably
00:25:42I've got him as manager
00:25:43of the year
00:25:44I think Raniere
00:25:45and then probably Slot
00:25:46because I think
00:25:47what he's done coming in
00:25:48and again
00:25:49we're talking
00:25:50he's not even his players
00:25:51but this is where
00:25:52I give Klopp credit
00:25:53I'm going to give Klopp credit
00:25:54and Klopp knew
00:25:55a few months ago
00:25:56like he was
00:25:57and I know Rikker
00:25:58but he left good stuff
00:25:59behind him
00:26:00you're on about
00:26:01United managers
00:26:02are coming in now going
00:26:03they're dealing with
00:26:04rubbish
00:26:05at least Slot
00:26:06would have gone in
00:26:07there's something
00:26:08there's something there
00:26:09there's a foundation there
00:26:10for me to try and
00:26:11and obviously the surprise
00:26:12was he didn't really
00:26:13bring any players
00:26:14and you mentioned
00:26:15he brought one in
00:26:16so that's why I give Klopp
00:26:17a little bit
00:26:18he gave something
00:26:19there was something there
00:26:20but of course
00:26:21getting over the line
00:26:22is obviously
00:26:23a lot more difficult
00:26:24The thing about
00:26:25Gravenberch and Gakpoen
00:26:26I always say this
00:26:27we always talk about
00:26:28managers and recruitment
00:26:29and of course
00:26:30every manager
00:26:31lives and dies
00:26:32by his recruitment
00:26:33the players he brings in
00:26:34we use it as a stick
00:26:35he's got 22-25 players
00:26:36who aren't his
00:26:37he hasn't bought them
00:26:38but this idea that
00:26:39they're not his players
00:26:40he's got to do something
00:26:41with them
00:26:42he has to
00:26:43this thing right now
00:26:44with Man Utd
00:26:45What he's done with
00:26:46Gravenberch
00:26:47and other midfield players
00:26:48Curtis Jones
00:26:49and people
00:26:50that's unbelievable
00:26:51What I'm saying is
00:26:52he hasn't bought anyone
00:26:53but he's made players
00:26:54in the squad
00:26:55who he didn't buy
00:26:56better
00:26:57that's a manager's job
00:26:58Sorry but isn't it
00:26:59also easier
00:27:00sometimes for a manager
00:27:01imagine if they came in
00:27:02and said to Liverpool
00:27:03last summer
00:27:04sometimes for a manager
00:27:05it's nice to have
00:27:06no options going
00:27:07no you've got to
00:27:08work with these lads
00:27:09and they were good players
00:27:10don't get me wrong
00:27:11Overcomplicated sometimes
00:27:12Listen sometimes
00:27:13we talk about recruitment
00:27:14but also it's easier
00:27:15I think for a manager
00:27:16going listen
00:27:17you have to work
00:27:18with these lads
00:27:19who were decent players
00:27:20who won a trophy last year
00:27:21with 4 or 5 games to go
00:27:22they were still maybe
00:27:23thinking they could
00:27:24win the league
00:27:25so there was something
00:27:26to work with
00:27:27but he thought
00:27:28at least I don't have
00:27:29to get bogged down
00:27:30by trying to get lads in
00:27:31We probably say this
00:27:32was a negative
00:27:33for new managers
00:27:34coming in
00:27:35he doesn't get the players
00:27:36back until whenever
00:27:37and he hasn't had them
00:27:38from the first day
00:27:39of pre-season
00:27:40in some ways
00:27:41that may have helped
00:27:42Liverpool because I think
00:27:43the noise coming from
00:27:44the club was
00:27:45we're not going in
00:27:46the market for players
00:27:47because he hasn't seen
00:27:48his squad yet
00:27:49it was almost this case
00:27:50of he doesn't know
00:27:51what they're like
00:27:52they all come back late
00:27:53then the pre-season
00:27:54starts like
00:27:55ok ok
00:27:56and then basically
00:27:57they only went for
00:27:58one player
00:27:59it wasn't like 3 or 4
00:28:00they went for one player
00:28:01the midfield player
00:28:02I think it's fair
00:28:03sometimes to say
00:28:04that ultimately
00:28:05they've not panicked
00:28:06have they?
00:28:07The people who've come in
00:28:08the guy Hughes
00:28:09obviously
00:28:10He's come back
00:28:11sorry the guy above him
00:28:12but the tissue
00:28:13is coming from Bournemouth
00:28:14yeah I think
00:28:15there's a way in which
00:28:16they've recruited
00:28:17or not recruited
00:28:18and not panicked
00:28:19But if they started badly
00:28:20would they have
00:28:21if you start well
00:28:22and everything
00:28:23I get that
00:28:24when you're winning
00:28:25everything's fine
00:28:26there is a calmness
00:28:27about how they do things
00:28:28and they've been doing
00:28:29things for the previous
00:28:307 or 8 years
00:28:32they never really
00:28:33overpay that much
00:28:34they tend to stick with it
00:28:35So you think that's
00:28:36the way to do it?
00:28:37No no
00:28:38I'm saying what they've
00:28:39done at Liverpool
00:28:40is what to be fair
00:28:41maybe used to happen
00:28:42what happens at a successful
00:28:43club
00:28:44Pep to be honest with you
00:28:45they've been quite smart
00:28:46in their recruitment
00:28:47haven't they?
00:28:48Over the last few years
00:28:49You said that hierarchy
00:28:50would fall away
00:28:51as soon as Klopp went
00:28:52No I
00:28:53No you did
00:28:54You did
00:28:55Can I finish?
00:28:56What's up with you?
00:28:57My point was
00:28:58I generally think that
00:28:59FSG aren't as popular
00:29:00Oh my god
00:29:01FSG aren't as popular
00:29:02as they should be
00:29:03for what they've done
00:29:04at Liverpool
00:29:05and if they didn't invest
00:29:06and then the team started
00:29:07to be fair
00:29:08nose dive
00:29:09which I thought
00:29:10after Klopp
00:29:11they would to be fair
00:29:12nose dive a little bit
00:29:13and go down into
00:29:14sort of 4th, 5th, 6th
00:29:15I thought that's where
00:29:16they'd be this season
00:29:17I had them outside
00:29:18the Champions League
00:29:19place
00:29:20I think I had them in 5th
00:29:21which maybe still
00:29:22would be a Champions League
00:29:23place
00:29:24I think to be fair
00:29:25they were on the edge
00:29:26I think with fans
00:29:27fans would have turned
00:29:28quite quickly on them
00:29:29but to hold their nerve
00:29:30like they did
00:29:31against that
00:29:32and not sign anybody
00:29:33and not go into the
00:29:34transfer window
00:29:35and stay calm
00:29:36I think it's hard to do that
00:29:37You know what
00:29:38you've got to
00:29:39see with
00:29:40with Gravenberch
00:29:41and his emergence
00:29:42especially as they went
00:29:43for Zouma Mendy
00:29:44he's like a new signing
00:29:45for a position
00:29:46at Liverpool
00:29:47that they needed
00:29:48that they needed
00:29:49and that in itself
00:29:50can energise
00:29:51that in itself
00:29:52can energise
00:29:53because when you look
00:29:54at how good he's been
00:29:55and then obviously
00:29:56Salah's form
00:29:57I think Virgil's
00:29:58I think Virgil's
00:29:59playing as
00:30:00he's playing great
00:30:01he's playing as good
00:30:02as when he first
00:30:03got there for me
00:30:04Virgil
00:30:05and then even the
00:30:06substitutes are coming on
00:30:07and making a difference
00:30:08and we're talking
00:30:09about a league where
00:30:10City have kind of
00:30:11fallen off
00:30:12Arsenal can't really
00:30:13compete obviously
00:30:14in respects of the
00:30:15forwards and the goals
00:30:16to try and
00:30:17to catch Liverpool
00:30:18it just feels
00:30:19And the young goalkeeper
00:30:20Domar Keller
00:30:21when he came in for a while
00:30:22they've had setbacks
00:30:23with important players
00:30:24and they've just
00:30:25It's worked nicely for them
00:30:26but they've taken
00:30:27I think they were
00:30:28still winning
00:30:29Covid times
00:30:30because didn't they
00:30:31win it with like
00:30:327 games to go
00:30:33I feel like
00:30:34that was a big one
00:30:35wasn't it?
00:30:367 games to go?
00:30:37I think there was
00:30:38That was a blast
00:30:396 games or something
00:30:402
00:30:41No it was 6
00:30:42and it was the first one
00:30:43in about 30 years
00:30:44or something
00:30:45Listen that was
00:30:46that was
00:30:47listen it was
00:30:48unfortunate
00:30:49there was bigger
00:30:50problems going on
00:30:51in the Wales at the time
00:30:52than Liverpool
00:30:53not having the fans
00:30:54there to win the league
00:30:55but I do think
00:30:56It was a big win though
00:30:57wasn't it?
00:30:58No of course it was
00:30:59but in terms of
00:31:00Especially the way
00:31:01they were chasing City down
00:31:02Yeah
00:31:03Well they didn't have
00:31:04to chase them
00:31:05they were halfway
00:31:06through the season
00:31:07but I just think
00:31:08missing out on that moment
00:31:09I think that'll be
00:31:10something fingers crossed
00:31:11if it goes well
00:31:12it'll be something
00:31:13They'll make off
00:31:14eventually won't they
00:31:15Yes
00:31:16I know where I won't be
00:31:17on the final day
00:31:18This episode of
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00:31:22Bad news for Slottie
00:31:23oh not bad news really
00:31:24he's been banned
00:31:25for two matches
00:31:26for his confronting
00:31:27match of football
00:31:28Oh was that the hand thing?
00:31:29Breaking news
00:31:30No but everyone
00:31:31keeps saying how calm
00:31:32he's been
00:31:33He's had more
00:31:34yellow cards than anyone
00:31:35hasn't he?
00:31:36That was a test for him
00:31:37that obviously
00:31:38losing the derby
00:31:39in the last minute
00:31:40drew the derby
00:31:41in the last minute
00:31:42he definitely had
00:31:43gone then
00:31:44I know you saw him
00:31:45that night
00:31:46and you thought
00:31:47that's where
00:31:48he'll come to
00:31:49Arsenal in a minute
00:31:50in terms of
00:31:51Arsenal not applying
00:31:52that pressure
00:31:53from winning on Saturday
00:31:54that weekend
00:31:55that swing
00:31:56from being
00:31:57potentially five points
00:31:58to eleven
00:31:59is like huge
00:32:00You thought
00:32:01this weekend
00:32:02could have been wrong
00:32:03because I could tell
00:32:04on the text
00:32:05No honestly
00:32:06you were all in
00:32:07You really wanted
00:32:08to watch the Arsenal game
00:32:09and really be
00:32:10fully invested in it
00:32:11No but what it tells you
00:32:12is to be fair
00:32:13is that I generally
00:32:14believe that if
00:32:15City weren't going
00:32:16to win the league
00:32:17Arsenal would be there
00:32:18to win it
00:32:19and the idea
00:32:20when you win it
00:32:21the first time
00:32:22sometimes you come
00:32:23and you're like
00:32:24I'm going to win
00:32:25I'm going to win
00:32:26I'm going to win
00:32:27I'm going to win
00:32:28I'm going to win
00:32:29I'm going to win
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00:34:48When this January came
00:34:49And especially you're talking about Liverpool and we should be catching them in that
00:34:53We haven't got any strike
00:34:54We haven't got no one to score the goals
00:34:55But it is hard in January though, right?
00:34:57January is a difficult
00:34:58It's hard in January but people have done it
00:35:00And the thing is
00:35:01Is that if we are trying to win the league
00:35:04You have to do more
00:35:05You have to try and do something
00:35:06I don't think we've done enough
00:35:07I've got a lot of sympathy for our Teta
00:35:11Me too
00:35:12The ball, they're not backing him right now
00:35:14What I would say is
00:35:15January on the back of Jesus during the cruciate
00:35:18Can you get anybody even on low on a body
00:35:20To cover Havertz?
00:35:21Anybody?
00:35:22It's easy for us to say now last season
00:35:25We think Liverpool are going to win the league
00:35:27Who are Liverpool's two strikers?
00:35:29Jota and Nunes
00:35:30Are they amazing?
00:35:31Are they better than what Arsenal have got in Jesus and Havertz really?
00:35:35I'll take Jota's finishing
00:35:36Yes, but does Jota give you what Havertz does in terms of pressing, holding the ball, set pieces around you?
00:35:40So what I'm saying is
00:35:41We're not talking that Liverpool have got something that Arsenal haven't got
00:35:44Teta didn't like Jesus
00:35:45What's that?
00:35:46Teta didn't really fancy Jesus as a striker
00:35:47He's not fancied him for a year and a half
00:35:49He's hardly played him
00:35:50I know but what I'm saying is
00:35:51He's there
00:35:52So he's got Havertz there who's actually the centre-forward for Germany
00:35:54Yeah
00:35:55So my point being is that
00:35:57That centre-forward position
00:35:59The team who are going to win the league
00:36:01Are not levels above Arsenal in terms of who they have
00:36:04Liverpool have played Diaz as centre-forward for most of this season
00:36:07Now the thing for me is
00:36:09The reason I've got sympathy for him
00:36:13Because I know you want someone who's going to get another 10 goals more than Havertz
00:36:16Let's say Havertz has a 15 to 20 goal a season
00:36:19You want a 25 to 30
00:36:20I get that
00:36:21But you also don't want to lose what Havertz gives you
00:36:24Because he gives you a lot for the team
00:36:25So it's a tough balancing act that
00:36:27Okay we'll get a guy who gets another 10 goals
00:36:29But he might not hold the ball up
00:36:31Does he press?
00:36:32That's why maybe they went for Watkins
00:36:34But when I look at Arsenal's striking options
00:36:37In Jesus and Havertz
00:36:39And then I look at the left wing options in Martinelli and Trossard
00:36:42I think they're weaker at left wing
00:36:44Than they are at centre-forward
00:36:46I think for me
00:36:48That's what I believe
00:36:49I might be wrong
00:36:50But that's what I would say
00:36:51And for me
00:36:52When I think of say Liverpool
00:36:54For me you know
00:36:55Even a goal scorer
00:36:56Their goal scorer comes on the other side
00:36:58So they've got Salah
00:36:59But was there a left winger there?
00:37:00Martinelli and Trossard
00:37:02Are not players to win
00:37:04To play for a team
00:37:05I'm not talking about actually signing a striker
00:37:07That's 40 goals a season actually for Arsenal
00:37:09I'm talking about
00:37:10I'm talking about
00:37:11If you had a Giroud
00:37:12Not Giroud now
00:37:14I'm talking about if you had a Giroud type player
00:37:16That could play up there as a striker
00:37:17Bring people in to play
00:37:18That was a focal point for a team
00:37:20They would completely transform the rest of them anyway
00:37:22So it doesn't have to be a 25 year old
00:37:24But he was slaughtered when he was there
00:37:25No my point is
00:37:26I'm talking about a style of player
00:37:28Not someone who scores 30 goals
00:37:29I'm talking about someone who plays
00:37:31Someone who plays the position really well
00:37:33Holds his position up front
00:37:34Occupies defenders
00:37:35Makes the other players have more space
00:37:37Makes runs that maybe are clever
00:37:38Is that what Havertz is supposed to do?
00:37:40He's a guy who holds the ball up
00:37:41And there's people trying to run him off
00:37:43You can't plan on one player being fit
00:37:44And your whole eggs in one basket
00:37:46I'm sorry that is not right
00:37:47I know and that's why they had Jesus
00:37:48And when he's got a cruciate injury
00:37:50They should have brought a body in
00:37:52Everyone's known Arsenal needed to sign a striker
00:37:54For 12 to 18 months
00:37:55We said it last season
00:37:56We've said it this season at the start
00:37:57We said it this season in January
00:37:59I've had enough of this talk about strikers
00:38:01Everyone out there says
00:38:03Liverpool need a striker
00:38:05Arsenal need a striker
00:38:06Man United need a striker
00:38:07Chelsea need a striker
00:38:08Why aren't they buying them?
00:38:09Because they're not out there
00:38:10Everyone in this league
00:38:12Besides Man City and Newcastle
00:38:14Say they want a striker
00:38:15So why aren't they buying them?
00:38:16Where are these strikers?
00:38:17Tell me the name
00:38:18Well Marmouche is just signed for City
00:38:20He's not an out and out striker
00:38:21He's started to score goals
00:38:22I'm talking about someone who can play centrally up front
00:38:24My point is Arsenal are the biggest league in the world
00:38:27With the most money
00:38:28And none of them have got strikers
00:38:29We've needed more firepower
00:38:31We've needed more cover
00:38:32He's not signed a striker for three years
00:38:33You're looking at someone like Saka
00:38:34We've seen Saka's form
00:38:37For England
00:38:38And for Arsenal
00:38:39At some stage
00:38:40We needed some backup for him
00:38:41In the forward position
00:38:42You look at someone like Marmouche
00:38:43You think to yourself
00:38:44Wow, that is somebody that you think
00:38:45Wow, you could have got someone like him
00:38:47Of course you could
00:38:48Then you've got someone like Jesus
00:38:50Who is a bit injury prone
00:38:51You mentioned Arteta doesn't fancy him down the centre
00:38:54Right, so
00:38:55We needed backup for that as well
00:38:57The problem I've got is
00:38:58Is that
00:38:59Like Jamie said
00:39:00Where are we going to find that person?
00:39:01It's going to be a gamble
00:39:02Whoever it is
00:39:03Look how much you're paying for Hoyland
00:39:04Look what you're paying for Darwin Nunez
00:39:05Exactly
00:39:06Arsenal can't afford to maybe go in
00:39:08And maybe make that decision
00:39:09But they get into a position
00:39:10Where they're forced to have to go in
00:39:12And even this January
00:39:13He changed his tact a bit
00:39:15Once the injury's happened
00:39:17He said
00:39:18If there's somebody out there that we can find
00:39:20We will try
00:39:21Okay
00:39:22I think the board
00:39:23Personally
00:39:24I'm going with the board here
00:39:25You'd rather
00:39:26Not help this man
00:39:27He's coached us as far as he can
00:39:28They've not signed a striker for three years
00:39:29At the club, right?
00:39:30They're woefully short in that area of quality
00:39:32Havertz, to be honest with you
00:39:33Is half a striker
00:39:34To start with
00:39:35But I agree
00:39:36He does a good job for the team
00:39:37And I like him
00:39:38You either have to be in the camp of
00:39:40We feel sorry for Arsenal
00:39:41They're a well run club
00:39:42They shouldn't have signed a striker
00:39:43Because the value wasn't there
00:39:44Or in the last three years
00:39:45They should have brought in a competent striker
00:39:47To support Havertz
00:39:48Which you win
00:39:49I'm in that camp
00:39:50I'm in this camp definitely
00:39:51Three years
00:39:52You've got to be able to get a striker in three years
00:39:54But if you're in that camp
00:39:55You've got to be critical of Michael Arteta
00:39:57Because he has spent a lot
00:39:59The money has been
00:40:00He's spent over £100 million on a midfield player
00:40:02In Declan Rice
00:40:03He brought Mourinho in for £40 million
00:40:04So could them funds have been spent there?
00:40:06That's a different argument
00:40:07Yeah but you say that, Jamin
00:40:08I think to myself
00:40:09I would never not do that with Declan
00:40:12Because I believe Declan is so integral
00:40:14That you're thinking
00:40:15Do I save that money and get the striker
00:40:18Or do I get Declan?
00:40:19I would have rather of getting Declan
00:40:21And maybe see if we can get the striker
00:40:22Do you know what I think they've actually done?
00:40:24I think in the last parts of the transfer window in the summer
00:40:28I'm not sure the club wanted to sign Sterling
00:40:31I'm not sure Arsenal wanted to
00:40:33They said that
00:40:34I'm not sure Arsenal would have wanted to sign
00:40:37As a club, Sterling
00:40:38I think Arteta's thought
00:40:40No I can get him centre forward
00:40:42I can get him left wing
00:40:43I can get him right wing
00:40:44He's gone in there and said
00:40:45He's my cover for those three positions
00:40:47I think that's what he said
00:40:48He can play all across the front line
00:40:49He's played centre forward before for City
00:40:51He's done that role
00:40:52And he's almost like my second, third striker
00:40:54And I think what's happened is
00:40:55They then sort of backed him
00:40:57And I think it's then put them off
00:40:58Doing another deal in January
00:40:59Of the same ilk
00:41:00Because they're thinking
00:41:01Well we've already brought Raheem in
00:41:02So actually if you're not going to use him
00:41:04What's the point in adding someone else to it?
00:41:05And then all of a sudden Havertz gets injured
00:41:06And you're done
00:41:07You're done
00:41:08Especially as we've got a goalkeeper
00:41:09That's taken up a lone space
00:41:11And he can't play
00:41:12Yeah but I still think it's a preference
00:41:13To have kind of almost too many strikers
00:41:15Yeah we'll argue
00:41:16Chelsea, you're going they need strikers
00:41:17Everyone's like
00:41:18But at least they've got strikers in the building
00:41:19Who mightn't be doing the business
00:41:20We spoke recently about Liverpool
00:41:22Where they sell certain strikers
00:41:23You go, no keep them
00:41:24You're better off with the options
00:41:26If you're trying to put winning league titles
00:41:27You're better off having too many strikers
00:41:29Than obviously having none
00:41:31Liverpool have got a situation
00:41:32Where Salah can play up top
00:41:33Diaz can play up top
00:41:34Xhota can play up top
00:41:35Nunez can play up top
00:41:36Gakpo can play up top
00:41:37I'm not saying they're all centre forwards
00:41:38But they're all capable of playing in that position
00:41:40They've got options
00:41:41So many options
00:41:42And if one or two of them are in good form
00:41:44It's fantastic
00:41:45Now for me
00:41:46In the last two games
00:41:47He's played without almost a striker
00:41:49He's almost played with Diaz half to the left
00:41:51Salah half to the right
00:41:52And he's gone in with four midfield players
00:41:53And he's not even had a striker
00:41:54So my point is
00:41:55Yeah but that helps
00:41:56When you've got
00:41:57You're on top of all the other power champions
00:41:58Yeah yeah I agree
00:41:59You're able to bring people on
00:42:00If that doesn't work
00:42:01He's got goals
00:42:02And he's got goals in the team
00:42:03So Arsenal
00:42:04Whether it's bringing in
00:42:05A Marmouche to the left
00:42:06Or it's bringing in someone to the right
00:42:08Liverpool have got options
00:42:09In wide areas to change things
00:42:11Arsenal have got six attackers
00:42:13Basically
00:42:14Two free to position to the front three
00:42:15It's all Liverpool
00:42:16Liverpool have got a fella in Salah
00:42:18Arsenal haven't got a goal scorer if you like
00:42:20Who's going to get numbers
00:42:21Doesn't have to be the guy through the middle
00:42:22Saka would have
00:42:23I'm not saying Mo's like numbers
00:42:25But he will get the numbers
00:42:27No but Saka
00:42:28Saka
00:42:29Trossard
00:42:30Martinelli
00:42:31Can't really play centre forward
00:42:32They can't play with the back to play
00:42:33Salah can play with his back to play
00:42:34Gatco can play in that sort of little pocket
00:42:36Those players that Liverpool have got
00:42:38Can play wide and centrally
00:42:40Arsenal's can't
00:42:41Arsenal's can't
00:42:42They're not capable of doing that
00:42:43Wanieri
00:42:44Saka
00:42:45Trossard
00:42:46Martinelli
00:42:47None of them can actually play
00:42:48Across the front line
00:42:49Ronaldo we mentioned before
00:42:50Can play left right or centre
00:42:52Rooney can play left or centre
00:42:53You can't say about Wanieri
00:42:54Wanieri might be able to do that
00:42:56Welbeck can play left or centre
00:42:57So my point is
00:42:58Arsenal's can't
00:42:59Are we a bit harsh on Arsenal though?
00:43:01Like I think obviously with the injuries
00:43:04And then you look at the sending off this season
00:43:06They're still in the Champions League
00:43:07They're still up there
00:43:08Are we a bit harsh on them or not?
00:43:10Like I think they've played 5 games with 10 men
00:43:12Which I know you'll probably make a comment
00:43:14But it's difficult isn't it?
00:43:16You need more than Arsenal to be challenging Liverpool
00:43:18The same last few years
00:43:19You need this
00:43:20We were focused on Arsenal last year too
00:43:22And expectations got up on Arsenal
00:43:23But we know the last step is the biggest one
00:43:25And they've come up short
00:43:26They've come up short
00:43:27More so than the players they've missed
00:43:28But maybe mentally they're not quite ready for that next step
00:43:31They played West Ham at home the weekend
00:43:33So a team can lose at home of course
00:43:35They had no midweek game
00:43:36If they had a European game they'd go
00:43:38Oh they had a tough game on Tuesday or Wednesday
00:43:40They were in Bayern or they were in Spain
00:43:41They had a free week
00:43:42And they don't even score a goal at home
00:43:43We're struggling with that mid-block
00:43:45And that's something that obviously
00:43:46Two years ago we argued
00:43:47Me and you argued
00:43:48It was two or three years ago
00:43:49When Arsenal got knocked out of the FA Cup
00:43:50And everyone was saying
00:43:51Oh it's great
00:43:52It's great that they're out of it
00:43:53They ran out of steam
00:43:54And they had no midweek games
00:43:56The one that Saliba was injured
00:43:58Yeah
00:43:59But everyone was saying
00:44:00Oh it's great that Arsenal are out of the cup
00:44:02No they had no midweek games
00:44:04You get rid of it
00:44:05They had no midweek game last week
00:44:06And they don't score a goal at home to West Ham
00:44:08I still believe that what's happened
00:44:10And the way it's been
00:44:11The way we've constructed the season
00:44:13Whether it's in the summer or January
00:44:16It's cost us
00:44:17At this particular time
00:44:18Because we've lost the players
00:44:19That are meant to be the ones
00:44:20That have taken us to the top
00:44:22Man United were down there six weeks ago
00:44:23United who are as bad as we've ever seen them
00:44:25They're going to win at Arsenal
00:44:27That was an FA Cup game
00:44:28Where it was a bit tight
00:44:29And then was it Man City
00:44:30They're not even getting over the line
00:44:32In them tight kind of games
00:44:33They had bad luck
00:44:34They had the ten days
00:44:36No they did
00:44:37Like the bad luck
00:44:38They had ten days went to Dubai
00:44:39And then lose a strike
00:44:40I know but you know something
00:44:42Look to be honest with you
00:44:43I think when a team are growing like that
00:44:45It does leave a sort of big question mark obviously
00:44:48I just want to pick you up on something
00:44:49You said it's the board
00:44:50What do you mean by that?
00:44:51Do you mean losing Edu?
00:44:52Or do you mean not recruiting?
00:44:53Or not backing the manager?
00:44:54I think in all of that
00:44:56I think all of those
00:44:57I'm very really surprised
00:44:59I was really gutted to see Edu leave at this time
00:45:01Because obviously the plan
00:45:04He may not see the end
00:45:05He can't see the end for whatever reason
00:45:07Is it because the board
00:45:09He knows that the board
00:45:10Are not going to give them what they need
00:45:11So they can get to where they're going
00:45:13I've got no problem with Mikel
00:45:15But I do believe that the summer
00:45:17Especially after the season we had
00:45:19Chasing City to second
00:45:21Twice now
00:45:23There's no way that we shouldn't be backed more
00:45:25This manager shouldn't be backed more
00:45:27In respect of who he wants
00:45:28And what he wants to build
00:45:30So as we can get over the line
00:45:31So we talk about leagues
00:45:33But again we can argue about the manager
00:45:35You're saying it's not that it's the board
00:45:37But what about winning a cup?
00:45:38You can win a cup
00:45:39Even if your squad's not strong enough
00:45:41When was the last time Ashley won a trophy?
00:45:43How many years now?
00:45:44It's four years now
00:45:45Four?
00:45:46Since they won the FA Cup?
00:45:47Five years
00:45:48And you're the manager
00:45:50If there's any other manager
00:45:51In the Arsenal seat
00:45:52Of five years you'd be going
00:45:53He's got to be under pressure
00:45:55He's not winning a trophy
00:45:56He's won one
00:45:57But at the same time people say
00:45:58Yeah but that was five years ago
00:45:59So it doesn't make any difference
00:46:00If it's not the league
00:46:01People will say yeah but look
00:46:02That's just the FA Cup
00:46:03The fact is
00:46:04We've got a manager
00:46:05I believe
00:46:06In the way that he's trying to
00:46:07Construct the team
00:46:08Is doing the very best he can
00:46:10And the reason why I would say the board
00:46:11Is because I don't think that he himself
00:46:13Could do any more with this group of players
00:46:15Apart from bringing more players in to help
00:46:17I think we've seen peak Arsenal
00:46:19Under Arteta
00:46:20I think
00:46:21That's a big statement
00:46:22Even with all the injuries
00:46:24With all them players
00:46:25If all those players are injured
00:46:27Involved do you think that's happening?
00:46:28I think they've got
00:46:29You think they're never going to win the league then?
00:46:30No I think they've got
00:46:31Injuries is part of football
00:46:34It's part of football
00:46:35I think
00:46:36Does that mean they're not going to win the league then?
00:46:38No but when I say I think we've seen peak Arsenal
00:46:40I think last season
00:46:41The second half of last season
00:46:44I was looking at Arsenal thinking
00:46:45Wow this is a team miss
00:46:46This is almost
00:46:47I'm watching them week in week out
00:46:49I'm thinking
00:46:50I'm watching the Champions League games as well
00:46:52I didn't think they'd win the Champions League
00:46:53But I thought I'm watching a team
00:46:54Who's playing as well as anybody in Europe here
00:46:56I think the last 18 games
00:46:57You won 16
00:46:58You drew one away at City
00:47:00And you lost at home too
00:47:01But that three or four month period
00:47:04I'm not sure Arsenal get back to that
00:47:06And the reason I say that is because
00:47:08I go back to when we were playing for Liverpool
00:47:09And we were going for the league
00:47:10And we had a season where we were really there
00:47:12And if you finish second three years in a row
00:47:15It's hard to sort of
00:47:17Keep going again
00:47:18And keep
00:47:19You know that's the name of the game
00:47:20And you may have to change players
00:47:21And we're talking about recruitment
00:47:24And bringing players in
00:47:25And Arteta
00:47:26But there's definitely a question about Arteta
00:47:27And I said at the start of the season
00:47:29The football we saw in the first season
00:47:31You challenged City
00:47:32When Zinchenko was there
00:47:33And Jesus had come in
00:47:34And Zinchenko was going into midfield
00:47:36The football and
00:47:37Shakhtar was in that team
00:47:39It's a different team
00:47:40Now it feels more
00:47:43Powerful
00:47:44But stiff
00:47:45Not loose
00:47:46Like football
00:47:47And it's not a criticism
00:47:48You can win football any other way
00:47:49But there's no doubt
00:47:50This is more of a
00:47:51Rigid
00:47:52Jose Mourinho
00:47:53I said this six months ago
00:47:54I got slaughtered by Arsenal fans
00:47:55But it's there
00:47:56It's about set pieces
00:47:57It's about going long into your front players
00:47:59It's about
00:48:00Everyone dropping back behind the ball
00:48:02And keeping clean sheets
00:48:03And I played for managers like that
00:48:05At Liverpool when we were going for the league
00:48:06We were a team who
00:48:07But that was strong
00:48:08Keep a clean sheet
00:48:09Can we nick it?
00:48:10And we always lacked
00:48:12Something special
00:48:13We had Stevie and Torres
00:48:14But we didn't have another couple
00:48:16And I think when I've always watched Arsenal
00:48:17And that's why I've never backed Arsenal for the league
00:48:19Even at the start of the season
00:48:20Before injuries
00:48:21I always thought you're a special attacking player
00:48:24Short of what Man City was
00:48:26Forget Liverpool
00:48:27But why have they not signed that player Cara?
00:48:29That goes back to the man
00:48:31I think the way he's actually
00:48:32Not asking them to play
00:48:33But I don't know if he's scarred
00:48:35By the last two
00:48:36Sort of
00:48:37Run-ins with Man City
00:48:38And thinking
00:48:39How can I take Man City on when they've got
00:48:40Haaland
00:48:41De Bruyne
00:48:42Bernardo Silva
00:48:43Foden
00:48:44Have we got to do it another way?
00:48:45Where we set pieces
00:48:46We're big
00:48:47We're powerful
00:48:48We're the best team defensively in the league
00:48:49That's the way I'd look at Arsenal
00:48:51It's not a criticism
00:48:52I just think he's trying to win the league
00:48:54A different way than when he was two years ago
00:48:57Because he didn't feel he could take on
00:48:59Manchester City
00:49:00But this is why I think that the summer
00:49:01Again
00:49:02Is massive for Arsenal
00:49:04Simply because
00:49:05We've got a few players that are in
00:49:07The most salad
00:49:08Trent and Virgil
00:49:09Three players in
00:49:10Saliba
00:49:11Saka
00:49:12And Maragallis
00:49:13At the back
00:49:14And I think that
00:49:15They'll probably be sitting
00:49:16And waiting
00:49:17In the summer
00:49:18To see
00:49:19What are they going to do here?
00:49:20What are they going to do?
00:49:21Who are they signing?
00:49:22Because before
00:49:23I get my man to sign
00:49:24I want to see
00:49:25Who's coming in
00:49:26To see how long
00:49:27Is this going to go on
00:49:28Because my man wants to
00:49:29Win things
00:49:30So I think the summer
00:49:31Was coming for us
00:49:32With everything
00:49:33What you're saying
00:49:34The summer is massive
00:49:35Especially with
00:49:36This window
00:49:37Nothing in January
00:49:38The summer has to be
00:49:39Something really, really
00:49:40Righty
00:49:41Who would you want them
00:49:42To get?
00:49:43It is a massive problem
00:49:44For us because
00:49:45Again
00:49:46How many times
00:49:47Do you see Real Madrid
00:49:48Chasing someone
00:49:49And not get them?
00:49:50Righty
00:49:51Who would you want them
00:49:52To get in the summer?
00:49:53In respects of?
00:49:54Like a forward or?
00:49:55I think we need two forwards
00:49:57Yeah
00:49:58If we can get a
00:49:59I think we need
00:50:00We needed two forwards
00:50:01Before people got injured
00:50:02Yeah I agree
00:50:03You know?
00:50:04I agree
00:50:05We needed that before
00:50:06And we probably
00:50:07Need to cover for
00:50:08The centre-halves as well
00:50:09They always say
00:50:10What's the saying?
00:50:11You're not as good
00:50:12As your goalscores
00:50:13I agree
00:50:14You need Salah
00:50:15You need a Ronaldo
00:50:16Do you think it's realistic?
00:50:17Because I spoke about
00:50:18The clubs before
00:50:19You probably need a striker
00:50:20So let's say Arsenal
00:50:21Liverpool
00:50:22Both probably in the market
00:50:23I would say for a striker
00:50:24And I know this will
00:50:25Upset Newcastle fans
00:50:26But do you think
00:50:27It is realistic
00:50:28That another Premier League
00:50:29Club could buy?
00:50:30Is that?
00:50:31Exactly
00:50:32I mean do you think
00:50:33Someone would be prepared
00:50:34To go to sort of
00:50:35£120,000
00:50:36I
00:50:37With what he's done
00:50:38And how he is
00:50:39If I had the money
00:50:40I'd buy him for £120,000
00:50:41But do you think it's realistic
00:50:42That Newcastle would sell
00:50:43For that type of price
00:50:44Would they?
00:50:45Surely not
00:50:46If Newcastle get into
00:50:47Champions League
00:50:48They probably won't sell
00:50:49That's what I'm saying
00:50:50Because you've got three years
00:50:51On his contract
00:50:52It's not a case of like
00:50:53Oh he could go for nothing
00:50:54Or he could go for a knockdown fee
00:50:55He's got a good length of time
00:50:56You're not going to sell
00:50:57Your best player are you
00:50:58When they're going
00:50:59For top four as well
00:51:00No that's what I'm saying
00:51:01I think it could
00:51:02On Newcastle as well
00:51:03Because wasn't Newcastle
00:51:04Paid £63,000
00:51:06You are taking a chance
00:51:07It's like Man United
00:51:08With Hoyland
00:51:09He's had nine goals
00:51:10At Atalanta
00:51:11I think something like that
00:51:12And you look at Nunes
00:51:13You're taking a chance
00:51:14But he
00:51:15At £63,000
00:51:16You think to yourself
00:51:17Okay yeah he looks pretty sure
00:51:18Well if they pay over
00:51:20£100,000 for Reiss
00:51:21Then you shouldn't blink an eye
00:51:22No way
00:51:23Whatever
00:51:24If we could get him
00:51:25If he comes up
00:51:26For that £120,000
00:51:27And we're not chasing that
00:51:28I'd be devastated
00:51:30If he has the decision
00:51:31Between Liverpool and Arsenal
00:51:32Where do you think he'd go?
00:51:33He'd probably go Liverpool
00:51:35I'd like to think that Arteta
00:51:36Could convince him
00:51:38But if we're talking about Slott
00:51:40And the fact that Slott
00:51:41Has not even got his own team
00:51:42How we see how Slott's going to play
00:51:44With the players that he wants
00:51:45That seems like it might be
00:51:47A more attractive
00:51:48Would Liverpool pay that?
00:51:49Attractive proposition
00:51:50I think it's really interesting
00:51:51It might be a more attractive proposition
00:51:53But again you know
00:51:54Arsenal need to do work
00:51:55I think Liverpool wouldn't
00:51:57Bother about paying that type of money
00:51:59For a player
00:52:00I mean Liverpool would have been in
00:52:01For Caicedo
00:52:02When he went to Chelsea
00:52:03So it was that £110,000, £150,000
00:52:05But how old is he?
00:52:07Is he 26?
00:52:09I think so
00:52:10How old is he?
00:52:11How old is that?
00:52:12How old is he?
00:52:13How old is he?
00:52:1425
00:52:1525
00:52:16So he's 26
00:52:17It's going to be the next couple of years
00:52:18Whatever's happening
00:52:19What a season he's having
00:52:20He's got to get 4 or 5 years old
00:52:21But anyway
00:52:22I'd hate to see that scenario
00:52:24Where it's either Liverpool or Arsenal
00:52:26You'd hate to see it?
00:52:27Yeah because I'd feel like
00:52:29Probably with Slott
00:52:30And what Slott's doing
00:52:31Especially if they do win
00:52:32We'd come into it
00:52:33What deal would
00:52:34Liverpool always pay
00:52:35Arsenal pay more wages
00:52:36I think
00:52:37Liverpool pay more wages
00:52:38You're saying about
00:52:39Newcastle having money
00:52:40Do you think they're
00:52:41Giving the staff sandwiches?
00:52:43That's the next subject Jill
00:52:45I did you a little in there
00:52:54So United
00:52:55On and off the pitch
00:52:56Yeah but Gary
00:52:57It's a mess eh?
00:52:58You know something
00:52:59When you read what's going on
00:53:01Don't believe everything you read
00:53:02No no you don't read it
00:53:03But like
00:53:04Come on Roy
00:53:05Everything we're hearing
00:53:06Coming out of there
00:53:07Is all about the people
00:53:08Who are working
00:53:09We're talking about
00:53:10You get Dan Ashworth
00:53:12You get after a few months
00:53:13Millions to get him out
00:53:14You know
00:53:15You extend
00:53:17Ten Hag
00:53:18Millions to get him out
00:53:19You know what I mean
00:53:20When you look at
00:53:21Those kind of
00:53:22Like crazy decisions
00:53:24And then we're seeing
00:53:25Normal people
00:53:26The Ten Hag one to be fair
00:53:27I've got some sympathy with
00:53:28Because no United fan
00:53:29Was saying sack him
00:53:30At that time
00:53:31You know I'm not even talking about
00:53:32Saying to sack him
00:53:33I'm talking about the fact
00:53:34That they kept him on
00:53:35And now we're talking about
00:53:36Scrimping and scraping redundancies
00:53:37With wages for normal people bro
00:53:39What's going on there gal?
00:53:41Ian about three years ago
00:53:43I said that United needed
00:53:44To bring money in
00:53:45And it was a car crash
00:53:46Waiting to happen this
00:53:48The club's finances are shot
00:53:50Absolutely shot to pieces
00:53:52The debt
00:53:53The recruitment's been reckless
00:53:55The increase in staff
00:53:56From 600 up to 1200
00:53:58Which is just unbelievable
00:54:00The lack of Champions League football
00:54:02Which is now happening
00:54:03Which is 30, 40 million
00:54:0450 million a year
00:54:05It's an absolute mess
00:54:07The club has run out of cash
00:54:09The club has run out of cash
00:54:10What you now see
00:54:11Ian honestly
00:54:12What you now see
00:54:13Is desperate decisions
00:54:14Some of them I think
00:54:15To be fair are needed
00:54:16Some of them are bad
00:54:17You know you don't remove
00:54:18You don't remove food off people
00:54:19In Old Trafford
00:54:20You don't do that
00:54:21You don't take 40 grand
00:54:22Off the ex-players
00:54:23And to be fair
00:54:24Dan Ashworth was a mess
00:54:25That's a really bad one
00:54:26Because that's one you've chased
00:54:27For eight months
00:54:28That's a shocker
00:54:29And that's four million quid
00:54:30So there's some bad decisions
00:54:31Being made on the way in
00:54:32But this is a culmination
00:54:34Of ten years of absolute
00:54:36Shitfest of management
00:54:37Of the Glazers
00:54:38To the point whereby
00:54:39A billion pounds
00:54:40Been paid off in interest
00:54:41The club is actually
00:54:42To be fair deteriorating
00:54:43In performance
00:54:44Cash flow
00:54:45Profit
00:54:46It's lost 300 million
00:54:47In three years
00:54:48Man United used to be
00:54:49The most profitable football club
00:54:5020 years ago they weren't
00:54:51Debt free
00:54:52In 2018
00:54:53They had 350 million
00:54:55In the bank in 2018
00:54:56From that point on now
00:54:57I think they put in
00:54:58Ineos put in 300 million
00:54:59And there's not much of that left
00:55:01You know something
00:55:02You have to say with the Glazers
00:55:03And the way they've done all this
00:55:05It's like being scammed
00:55:07It's like they've scammed
00:55:08Man United
00:55:09It's terrible how they can
00:55:11Get through
00:55:12They've come from America
00:55:13And come to one of the biggest
00:55:14Clubs in this country
00:55:15Alongside Liverpool
00:55:17Yeah but that's done already
00:55:19It's what you do about it now
00:55:20Yeah but you say it's done now
00:55:21But at the end of the day
00:55:22Something has to be done
00:55:23Because Ineos has made
00:55:24A come in
00:55:25But we just made a point
00:55:26They make bad decisions
00:55:27After bad
00:55:28And they're suffering United
00:55:29They're suffering like any
00:55:30Team or company out there
00:55:31Just going back to Liverpool
00:55:32And Arsenal and Tottenham
00:55:33In terms of how they run
00:55:34Their clubs
00:55:35And they've been quite sensible
00:55:36And always quite sort of
00:55:37FSG they operate the club
00:55:38Very well from a point of view
00:55:39That the money
00:55:40Gary they were making
00:55:41Chaotic decisions
00:55:42No no absolutely
00:55:43But my point is now
00:55:44The reason they've been
00:55:45Quite shrewd is
00:55:46If you make 3 or 4
00:55:47Nunez bad decisions
00:55:48And you don't get
00:55:49Champions League
00:55:50All of a sudden in a season
00:55:51You're going underwater
00:55:52Quite quickly at those
00:55:53Level of mistakes
00:55:54You're going underwater
00:55:55They've made bad decisions
00:55:56They've not basically
00:55:57They've qualified for the
00:55:58Champions League
00:55:59Which is massive
00:56:00And then they end up
00:56:01Looking profitable
00:56:02It's a fine line
00:56:03Reckless spending
00:56:04Debt on the club
00:56:05Then you have to make
00:56:06Shocking decisions
00:56:07Like are being made
00:56:08At this moment in time
00:56:09Where you're stripping
00:56:10The club back
00:56:11The mismanagement
00:56:12On and off the pitch
00:56:13Is unbelievable
00:56:14And
00:56:15But we know that
00:56:16But what
00:56:17We sit here every week
00:56:18Talking about the problems
00:56:19About United
00:56:20But what do you
00:56:21How do you fix it?
00:56:22It doesn't help
00:56:23That the team are rubbish either
00:56:24A lot of clubs
00:56:25Can go through
00:56:26Difficult stages
00:56:27But if the team
00:56:28Are getting over the line
00:56:29And winning football matches
00:56:30Then you're going
00:56:31Do you know how that
00:56:32Kind of covers cracks?
00:56:33I think the plan was
00:56:34Hand in hand
00:56:35The plan was in the summer
00:56:36Invest in a big
00:56:37Transfer window
00:56:38Keep Ten Hag
00:56:39And then get into
00:56:40The Champions League
00:56:41And we're back on the footing
00:56:42When you're investing
00:56:43In Ten Hag
00:56:44And it goes like that
00:56:45You're not going to get
00:56:46Into the Champions League
00:56:47And then you've
00:56:48Recruited badly
00:56:49You've lost another
00:56:50Almost 150-200 million
00:56:51You've almost
00:56:52Yeah and you're stuck
00:56:53And Casemiro sat there
00:56:54Now saying
00:56:55I'm not leaving
00:56:56The freight team
00:56:57Why would he not?
00:56:58I said this a year ago
00:56:59Why would we?
00:57:00We knew this coming
00:57:01Two years ago
00:57:02With Casemiro
00:57:03I mean it's
00:57:04Maybe United have to
00:57:05Sock it up
00:57:06Obviously the Glazers
00:57:07That will always be an issue
00:57:08It's a massive issue
00:57:09I know that
00:57:10But what I'm saying
00:57:11As Royce says
00:57:12You've got Ineos now
00:57:13Who are probably
00:57:14Calling the shots
00:57:15A bit behind the scenes
00:57:16Where are they going?
00:57:17What are they doing?
00:57:18Are you
00:57:19No I think they'll be
00:57:20Looking at this moment in time
00:57:21Thinking what the hell
00:57:22This is absolutely
00:57:23A massive
00:57:24Massive
00:57:25This is far bigger than
00:57:26They ever thought
00:57:27I'm sure it is
00:57:28That's their plan
00:57:29That's their
00:57:30Infos though
00:57:31They do that
00:57:32Don't they?
00:57:33They go in Ineos
00:57:34And they do
00:57:35Strip things back
00:57:36I was reading
00:57:37How do you think
00:57:38The manager feels?
00:57:39Imagine a manager
00:57:40I bet he's walked in
00:57:41And told
00:57:42Remember the manager
00:57:43The manager's the one
00:57:44Who said listen
00:57:45This team
00:57:46These players
00:57:47Aren't good enough
00:57:48You know what I mean?
00:57:49We need to get a new system
00:57:50They look frightened
00:57:51What's happening in Newcastle
00:57:52Where they can't sign a player
00:57:53And they've got the richest
00:57:54Owners in the world by the way
00:57:55So every club that isn't
00:57:56Doing quite as well
00:57:57In the actual league
00:57:58And isn't qualifying for Europe
00:57:59Or isn't getting
00:58:00Champions League football
00:58:01I mean Villa did this year
00:58:02So they're in a better position
00:58:03Every club now
00:58:04Is on the edge
00:58:05If they don't recruit well
00:58:06And they don't get in
00:58:07The Champions League
00:58:08They're all on the edge
00:58:09But this is what I say
00:58:10About our board
00:58:11Obviously our board
00:58:12Is thinking
00:58:13Absolutely
00:58:14That's exactly where they are
00:58:15They're looking at it
00:58:16And thinking
00:58:17But football clubs
00:58:18Are always about good people
00:58:19Hopefully people running the club
00:58:20Good people underneath
00:58:21You're on about United
00:58:22Sacking people left
00:58:23Right and centre
00:58:24Good people
00:58:25And who are they bringing in?
00:58:26Is United just all about
00:58:27Pure business now?
00:58:28Yeah
00:58:29We look at the players
00:58:30We're talking about
00:58:31Recruiting up and right
00:58:32But whoever you bring in
00:58:33And listen
00:58:34Show some personality
00:58:35Show a bit of fight
00:58:36Yeah
00:58:37Where are United in the league?
00:58:38They're petrified Joe
00:58:39They're petrified
00:58:40Players just petrified
00:58:41Now I'm talking about
00:58:42The people at the board
00:58:43And that
00:58:44When you see how quickly
00:58:45It can nose dive
00:58:46That's the only thing
00:58:47I can look at
00:58:48I always say for sport
00:58:49Liverpool at the moment
00:58:50You get momentum
00:58:51And everything's going well
00:58:52And decision making
00:58:53Everything feels great
00:58:54Everyone's great
00:58:55At the training ground
00:58:56When you start losing matches
00:58:57You get momentum
00:58:58Everyone starts panicking
00:58:59You're right
00:59:00On the pitch stuff
00:59:01Affects everything really badly
00:59:02But they put £300 million in
00:59:03About a month or so ago
00:59:04Whenever it was
00:59:05No six months ago
00:59:06Whenever it was
00:59:07It's nearly all gone
00:59:08It's paying off
00:59:09Basically everything
00:59:10They all think £300 million
00:59:11To other clubs
00:59:12Or £250 million
00:59:13To other clubs for players
00:59:14Which is not unusual
00:59:15When you stage payments
00:59:16But they've got this debt
00:59:17These massive debt repayments
00:59:18To other clubs
00:59:19They've got no
00:59:20Champions League football
00:59:21And I think there's
00:59:22An element of
00:59:23We've got to strip the club back
00:59:24To a running cost
00:59:25When you're stripping the club back
00:59:26Is that like
00:59:27Treating people like rubbish?
00:59:28Oh no
00:59:29Roy
00:59:30I understand
00:59:31Some of the things
00:59:32We paid for the club
00:59:33We knew there was
00:59:34A business behind it
00:59:35But it was all about
00:59:36The football and good people
00:59:37And then that came
00:59:38But no it's the business
00:59:39And the people
00:59:40Are treated like rubbish
00:59:41So maybe they deserve
00:59:42What they're getting
00:59:43But Roy
00:59:44When you move food from people
00:59:45I think at Old Trafford
00:59:46You can't do that
00:59:47That's the like
00:59:48Morale of the club
00:59:49Isn't it?
00:59:50You're going every day
00:59:51Like sometimes
00:59:52You're off the training pitch
00:59:53I've got a chat
00:59:54To the canteen staff
00:59:55We're talking about
00:59:56The value of the pub
00:59:57What about the value
00:59:58Of how you treat people?
00:59:59Forget the £200 million
01:00:00You'd be grudging people
01:00:01A ticket or a sandwich
01:00:02I don't think
01:00:03It could have got any worse
01:00:04For Ineos
01:00:05Not just in terms of
01:00:06Where the team are in the league
01:00:07But when you think
01:00:08Of the big decisions
01:00:09It almost feels like
01:00:10They've got them all wrong
01:00:11You know you think of like
01:00:12Keeping Ten Eye
01:00:13Was proven to be wrong
01:00:14Dan Ashworth
01:00:15Wrong
01:00:16Where the team are
01:00:17Obviously they're not picking
01:00:18The team we're playing
01:00:19But how's it ever got this bad?
01:00:21And I said to you yesterday
01:00:23The new manager comes in
01:00:24And you're like
01:00:25I have sympathy for him
01:00:26Because it's really poor
01:00:27But it shouldn't be this bad
01:00:28No
01:00:29So it's still in the air
01:00:30Whether they've got
01:00:31The right man here
01:00:32So when you think of
01:00:33The three or four
01:00:34Real big decisions
01:00:35They've had to make in
01:00:36Is it a year they've been in?
01:00:37Or 18 months?
01:00:3812 months
01:00:39Because we all talk about
01:00:40The Glazers are in America
01:00:41Let's get football people
01:00:42And let's get people
01:00:43Who are making the football
01:00:44In decisions
01:00:45I suppose they have
01:00:46A better background than that
01:00:47But they're a track record
01:00:48I know
01:00:49A track record is poor
01:00:50But every big decision
01:00:51Has been poor
01:00:52So far it's like
01:00:53But they've got no
01:00:54Their previous is
01:00:55Poor decision making
01:00:56When it comes to
01:00:57Sporting teams
01:00:58Particularly football
01:00:59So maybe we were
01:01:00The mad ones
01:01:01Sitting there going
01:01:02It's all going to be fixed now
01:01:03When we go back to the team
01:01:04And the recruitment
01:01:05And the players
01:01:06And showing a bit of fight
01:01:07And a bit of quality
01:01:08A bit of speed in your play
01:01:09They draw at everything
01:01:10It's like they've won the cup
01:01:11Bizarre
01:01:12Even the fans
01:01:13The level of the
01:01:14I see fans at matches
01:01:15And they're singing for Bruno
01:01:16I say these boys
01:01:17I think you're
01:01:18Fucking imposters
01:01:19No bro, not Bruno
01:01:20Righty
01:01:21Righty
01:01:22If you're going to dig someone out
01:01:23Righty, how about enough
01:01:24Of that rubbish man
01:01:25No, come on right
01:01:26You watch Arsene every week
01:01:27What about we folks
01:01:28More in United
01:01:29I'm watching him
01:01:30Sit and watch a game
01:01:31Sit and watch a game with him
01:01:32We watched him at Leicester
01:01:33We watched him in the FA Cup
01:01:34A few weeks ago
01:01:35I watched him at Everton on Saturday
01:01:36People pretend to be
01:01:37Closing people down
01:01:38But who brought them
01:01:39Back into the game
01:01:40Who's bringing you guys
01:01:41Back into the game
01:01:42You can't
01:01:43It's not Bruno
01:01:44It's not Bruno Roy
01:01:45When we're talking about
01:01:46Somebody who can actually
01:01:47Do something
01:01:48To save you lot
01:01:49It's Bruno's doing it
01:01:50He saved the fucking
01:01:5115th in the league
01:01:52And he's saving them
01:01:53If it wasn't
01:01:54Praise the Lord
01:01:55You should say
01:01:56If he wasn't there
01:01:57Where you'd be
01:01:58But you have to have
01:01:59A starting point
01:02:00Go back to it all
01:02:01Talent is not enough
01:02:02You keep going back
01:02:03To the talent
01:02:04Bruno's a talented player
01:02:05But talent's not enough
01:02:06I used to talk about Bruno
01:02:07And I said
01:02:08Talent is not enough
01:02:09You used to say
01:02:10What's he won
01:02:11Talent is not enough
01:02:12Tony Adams was there
01:02:13Yeah because he was a fighter
01:02:14Bruno's not a fighter
01:02:15You've got young players
01:02:16You have to look at somebody
01:02:17And go
01:02:18I like what he does
01:02:19I can't put the ball
01:02:20On the top of the net
01:02:21From 25 yards
01:02:22I get that
01:02:23But you want someone
01:02:24Who's going
01:02:25Lads are you with me
01:02:26Are you with me
01:02:27Maybe he's not that
01:02:28Captain Roy
01:02:29Maybe he's not that
01:02:30I'm with you
01:02:31But what he's doing
01:02:32In respect to saving you
01:02:33Playing that pass
01:02:34The goal
01:02:35What's he saving
01:02:36He's the one
01:02:37What's he saving
01:02:38If Bruno's not there
01:02:39United are in the relegation place
01:02:40If Bruno's not there
01:02:41What's he saving
01:02:42What's he saving
01:02:43At the moment
01:02:44We saw him at Leicester
01:02:45A few weeks ago
01:02:46We saw him at Leicester
01:02:47You're trying to isolate
01:02:48That particular game
01:02:49Bruno on a regular basis
01:02:50Saves that club in games
01:02:51Saves them
01:02:52We're adding the league
01:02:53Where would they be
01:02:54If they didn't have Bruno
01:02:55Alright alright
01:02:56I'm a right or wrong
01:02:57I think he's a good player
01:02:58But I don't know
01:02:59If he's a good captain
01:03:00Because I see goals go in
01:03:01And I see him shouting
01:03:02He's more talented
01:03:03Than I can even dream of
01:03:04Talent's not enough
01:03:05To play for a big club
01:03:06If you think talent's enough
01:03:07To play for a big club
01:03:08It's not all on Bruno
01:03:09No no
01:03:10Not all on Bruno
01:03:11Where do you start
01:03:12Where do you start
01:03:13If he's sat on a young lad
01:03:14Oh you can't pick on him
01:03:15He's young
01:03:16You can't sit on a foreign player
01:03:17Oh he's new to the league
01:03:18Maguire
01:03:19Maguire the other day
01:03:20Couldn't even jump
01:03:21Who do you pin on Man United
01:03:22If you're on it with the players
01:03:23You walk on the pitch
01:03:24Forget the board
01:03:25And all that for a second
01:03:26The players who walk on the pitch
01:03:27So who do you start going
01:03:28Who do you start pointing fingers
01:03:30At some stage you have to go
01:03:31You've got to start
01:03:32Players have to look at themselves
01:03:33Look at the person in the mirror
01:03:34So who would you start with
01:03:35At Man United for starters
01:03:36If you go
01:03:37Listen you're what
01:03:3815, 16 in the league
01:03:40You're getting the tutu dry
01:03:41And everything
01:03:42You think you're saving the day
01:03:43They never kick the ball
01:03:44For the first 60, 70 minutes
01:03:45I know you're saying
01:03:46Who am I starting with
01:03:47I know I'm not starting with Bruno
01:03:48If anything
01:03:49Of course you're not
01:03:50Who are you starting with then
01:03:51I don't know
01:03:52Just because he's the captain
01:03:53He might be petulant
01:03:54Whatever you think
01:03:55But he's the one
01:03:56You said every few weeks
01:03:57You said Tony Adams is amazing
01:03:58That's the captain I'm used to
01:03:59Yeah yeah yeah
01:04:00Of course
01:04:01That's the captain I'm used to
01:04:02That's not the captain we expect
01:04:03Yeah but you haven't got that
01:04:04Tony Adams
01:04:05Was Tony Adams the most talented
01:04:06Player in the Arsenal dressing room
01:04:07No
01:04:08He's an amazing leader
01:04:09He's an amazing leader
01:04:10And what did he do
01:04:11In his leadership
01:04:12He led us
01:04:13He led us
01:04:14To the championship
01:04:15And everything
01:04:16Right
01:04:17What's leadership to you about
01:04:18Leadership to me is about action
01:04:19Yeah
01:04:20Bruno does action
01:04:21Maybe you don't like
01:04:22His petulance
01:04:23No I don't
01:04:24I just think
01:04:25If I had a captain
01:04:26I wouldn't want him like
01:04:27Blaming him
01:04:28That's what I say
01:04:29He needs more players around him
01:04:30He needs more players around him
01:04:31It's not about blaming
01:04:32It's about people
01:04:33Taking responsibility
01:04:34He needs quality
01:04:35More quality around him
01:04:36Bruno would be
01:04:37Taking responsibility
01:04:38I'm not having Bruno
01:04:39Getting duped
01:04:40Of course you're not
01:04:41Well who then
01:04:42I've asked you a question
01:04:43Who would just have gone
01:04:44He's got to do more
01:04:45I'm not about a player
01:04:46Taking responsibility
01:04:47Wouldn't I go out on that pitch
01:04:48Listen show some courage
01:04:49Want the ball
01:04:50When you close somebody down
01:04:51Close them down properly
01:04:52We asked you earlier
01:04:53Could you play off the front
01:04:54No no
01:04:55I have to be off people
01:04:56I have to be on the shoulder
01:04:57Blah blah blah
01:04:58Yeah but that's my game right
01:04:59Yeah that's your game yeah
01:05:00And people appreciated you
01:05:01For your walk rate
01:05:02Blah blah blah
01:05:03And I worked really hard
01:05:04Yeah but this thing
01:05:05Liverpool
01:05:06Let me tell you something
01:05:07When you close somebody down
01:05:08When I call a bluff
01:05:09This is what I call a bluff
01:05:10So you're there
01:05:11And I'm closing you
01:05:12But I'm not really closing you down
01:05:13So and then you pass it
01:05:14I've done my bit
01:05:16Fuck off
01:05:17Excuse my language
01:05:18I've never really
01:05:19Wanted to see Ben
01:05:20As much in my life
01:05:22So
01:05:23And we had a nightmare
01:05:24With the scores
01:05:25Ben
01:05:26I saw them
01:05:27Super six
01:05:32Have we lost the dressing room
01:05:33Are we in
01:05:34You've took a lot of energy
01:05:35You never lose
01:05:36My dressing room
01:05:37To be honest
01:05:38Roy what about
01:05:39The Madison celebration
01:05:40Where he
01:05:41Good on him
01:05:42Yeah absolutely
01:05:43No problem
01:05:44I still go to what I said
01:05:45I don't think he does enough of that
01:05:46But when he scores
01:05:47I was at home
01:05:48With my cup of tea
01:05:49And I went
01:05:50Good on you
01:05:51No problem
01:05:52If people have a go
01:05:53You answer them back
01:05:54I was hoping
01:05:55He was going to do it
01:05:56The same the other day
01:05:57But he was subbed
01:05:58Against Ipswich
01:05:59I knew it Steve
01:06:00James is now monitoring
01:06:01Your every move
01:06:02Can't wait
01:06:03James
01:06:05Do your stuff James
01:06:06Because you can't win
01:06:07But he got an assist
01:06:08Against Ipswich to be fair
01:06:09Exactly
01:06:10He'll do something
01:06:11No problem
01:06:12Bruno's going to score the winner
01:06:13Yeah I know
01:06:15He's going to get a hat trick
01:06:16When Bruno sees this one
01:06:17I like Bruno
01:06:18Of course you like Bruno
01:06:19We all like Bruno
01:06:20He's a talented player
01:06:21But talent's not enough
01:06:25We've got
01:06:26Q&A questions
01:06:29And the first one is
01:06:31Oh
01:06:33This is cool isn't it
01:06:34If you had to keep
01:06:35One of your body parts
01:06:38If you could change
01:06:39One part of your body
01:06:40What would it be?
01:06:41I know what theirs would be
01:06:42Jill
01:06:43Jill
01:06:44It's personality apparently
01:06:46Physically you mean
01:06:47Yeah
01:06:49Which part of your body
01:06:51Would you change?
01:06:52I think I'd want a better nose
01:06:55Turn it to the side
01:06:58It looks Roman
01:06:59It's got a Roman
01:07:00Which part of your body
01:07:01That's how you were designed
01:07:02That's how you were designed
01:07:03I know but it's the change
01:07:04I'd change my nose
01:07:05I think you're fine Jill
01:07:07What would you change?
01:07:09I'm comfortable with it
01:07:11It's real different
01:07:13It's a really strange question
01:07:14I think I'd go nose
01:07:16Your nose is alright
01:07:20I was going to say
01:07:21I'm glad you said it
01:07:22I was going to say
01:07:23What about your bugles?
01:07:25I'll say my teeth
01:07:26What's wrong with them?
01:07:27You don't like them?
01:07:28I don't like the crossover
01:07:29On the front a little bit
01:07:30I've never really had them
01:07:31I just like
01:07:33Maybe if I was taller
01:07:34You know when you're playing in midfield
01:07:35You're like six foot
01:07:36I'd like to be big
01:07:39The reason we got that question
01:07:40Because back in
01:07:48How many more episodes have we got on this?
01:07:49November 1993
01:07:54Which part of your body
01:07:55Would you change?
01:07:56And Roy was asked this in 1993
01:07:58No part of it
01:07:59I'm happy with the way it is
01:08:00I wouldn't change anything
01:08:04At least the women tell me
01:08:05They are quite happy with how I look
01:08:10He says at least the women tell me
01:08:11They are quite happy with how I look
01:08:13It's a misquote
01:08:16Did you actually say that?
01:08:17Was that when you were at Man Utd?
01:08:20It's amazing
01:08:21You're younger
01:08:22You do stupid interviews
01:08:26The women tell us
01:08:28Did you have a six pack back then?
01:08:29Ah, righty
01:08:30I can't find it
01:08:31It was gold too
01:08:32You're like a gangster
01:08:36Let's have a look at them
01:08:38Righty, what would you change?
01:08:41You don't need to change anything
01:08:43You've got a temper haven't you?
01:08:44Yeah but that's not part of
01:08:45What we're talking about
01:08:46It's how we physically are
01:08:48You know what I always do
01:08:49Like black people with lighter eyes
01:08:52I'd probably have lighter eyes
01:08:54Green eyes
01:08:55Better dancer
01:08:57You're better than I am
01:09:00You've got nice eyes though
01:09:01I don't like them
01:09:02I'd like different colour eyes
01:09:04Take United and City out of it
01:09:06Which team do you want to win
01:09:07The FA Cup this season?
01:09:11Who's left in again?
01:09:15I'd go Palace
01:09:16I'd go Villa
01:09:19I'm trying to think who's in it
01:09:24Millwall
01:09:26Bournemouth is still in it
01:09:27Newcastle are in it
01:09:28I'd go Newcastle or Villa
01:09:29You know what?
01:09:30I'd go Palace or Newcastle
01:09:32I'd go Newcastle
01:09:34I'd go Villa
01:09:35Because I want Liverpool to win the other final
01:09:37I'd love to see Newcastle in it
01:09:38I'll go with Villa
01:09:40Bit of Villa
01:09:41I'm going to go Palace
01:09:42Are you working it?
01:09:43I'm just going
01:09:44Trying to win their love back
01:09:45Righty, you look old one there
01:09:46You know what?
01:09:47I'm not trying to win their love back
01:09:48You look old one there
01:09:50You know what is it?
01:09:51Righty
01:09:52Roy said I'm trying to win their love
01:09:53I'm not trying to win their love back
01:09:54It's just that when we
01:09:55We deserve something in that year
01:09:56See?
01:09:57What is up with you today?
01:09:58Was there a bit of friction between you and Palace or not?
01:09:59No, not really
01:10:00I thought you were going to say between me and him
01:10:01Come on, you've been edgy all morning
01:10:03I picked him up this morning
01:10:04You could sense it, that negative energy
01:10:06I haven't
01:10:07It is, because you're working tonight
01:10:08You can't do too much work tonight
01:10:11Yeah, women's games
01:10:12We've got Spain
01:10:13England playing Spain
01:10:14We've got Spain tonight
01:10:15Watch him tonight
01:10:16And see his face tonight
01:10:17It'll be hard work
01:10:18It won't be hard work
01:10:20Right, the Oscars are this weekend
01:10:21Right
01:10:22Right
01:10:23What's the favourite
01:10:24favourite film been in the last 12 months?
01:10:25I think I'm going to be useless at this
01:10:27because I've not seen many
01:10:28They've got a list of the films
01:10:29that have come out in the last 12 months
01:10:31Robbie Williams
01:10:32Yeah, Robbie
01:10:33Or the Bob Dylan one
01:10:34Is there any option?
01:10:35What are they called?
01:10:36I watched the Bob Dylan one
01:10:37I told you
01:10:38I'll tell you which one it is
01:10:39Any options? Oscars last 12 months?
01:10:40It's probably the Bob Dylan
01:10:42Tim Chalamet one
01:10:43Who?
01:10:44Have you seen the Bob Dylan one?
01:10:45Not seen that one
01:10:46I watched them
01:10:47The Concave
01:10:48Conclave as well
01:10:49Conclave
01:10:50Yeah
01:10:51I haven't seen that
01:10:52What's it about?
01:10:53It's about the Pope
01:10:54The Pope
01:10:55Yeah
01:10:56Yeah, but you haven't seen it
01:10:57No
01:10:58We should have a movie now
01:10:59We should all go to the movies one night
01:11:00I love going
01:11:01I've been going the last few weeks
01:11:02Big screen
01:11:03Popcorn
01:11:04These massive chairs
01:11:05Yeah, we'll just go to your house
01:11:06You don't know when they go back
01:11:07Oh, they haven't gone to the cinema
01:11:08So, the weirdest thing is
01:11:09you know like
01:11:10obviously you're going into the dark
01:11:11you're trying to find your seat
01:11:12and you get the big chair
01:11:13you've got your big drink
01:11:14you've got all your pie
01:11:15and you're just there
01:11:16you're like some big kid
01:11:17and then someone goes
01:11:18you're in my seat
01:11:19and you're going
01:11:20Oh no
01:11:21You've got to go
01:11:22and you're like
01:11:23Oh no
01:11:24You move, do you?
01:11:25Yeah, I do
01:11:26What's it now?
01:11:27Have you just gone like that as well?
01:11:28I'm a bit knackered
01:11:29What's in the next one?
01:11:30Oh, you want another one?
01:11:31Right, he's on a schedule
01:11:32Ben White is reportedly speaking to Thomas Tuchel
01:11:34about coming back into the England fold
01:11:36Should players be able to opt in
01:11:38and opt out of international squads?
01:11:40Roy, you've obviously opted in
01:11:41and opted out before
01:11:42So, you've
01:11:43I think Ben Wright
01:11:44I think he's right
01:11:45to opt in and opt out
01:11:46Especially if
01:11:47Especially if the people involved
01:11:48I think if players make it
01:11:49He's had a fallout
01:11:50with another member of staff
01:11:51It's all documented
01:11:52I think he's had a fallout
01:11:53with Steve Holland
01:11:54Do you know what I never agreed with?
01:11:55I never agreed with retiring
01:11:56from international football
01:11:57I'm still not retired
01:11:58I didn't
01:11:59If England want me
01:12:00I always felt
01:12:01that you come in at the beginning
01:12:02you get in
01:12:03you sort of might not make the team
01:12:04and then you sort of fade out
01:12:05at the end
01:12:06and you should be retired
01:12:07not retire
01:12:08so that ultimately
01:12:09you don't get picked anymore
01:12:10If you're playing for your club
01:12:11my view was
01:12:12you're available for your country
01:12:13That was my view
01:12:14Obviously, I didn't get picked
01:12:15in the last two or three years
01:12:16at United
01:12:17but
01:12:18What about if you're retiring
01:12:19and they're all together?
01:12:20Do you know what I mean?
01:12:21You're doing that
01:12:22Our kind of
01:12:23retirement
01:12:24At that level
01:12:25it's more of a mental thing
01:12:26isn't it?
01:12:27It's resting
01:12:28I think it's deploying your career
01:12:29with your club usually
01:12:30Obviously, yeah
01:12:31It would help that
01:12:32What if you felt
01:12:33that you should have been
01:12:34getting picked at certain times
01:12:35and you weren't
01:12:36and in the end you're like
01:12:37There's an element of
01:12:38it's your country
01:12:39you're there to serve it
01:12:40and you play for them
01:12:41if they pick you
01:12:42and if they don't pick you
01:12:43That to me
01:12:44was how I
01:12:45So you'd have gone to England
01:12:46for 15 years
01:12:47and not played a game
01:12:48To be fair
01:12:49I know that you obviously
01:12:50Tony DiRigo
01:12:51Yeah, but I think
01:12:52I see some goalkeepers
01:12:53that did it for a long time
01:12:54Tim Flowers
01:12:55Different for a kid
01:12:56Different for a kid
01:12:57For years
01:12:58and didn't get a lot of games
01:12:59So good people
01:13:00have gone and
01:13:01But you can see why people
01:13:02do get frustrated
01:13:03If you're playing for your country
01:13:04you're obviously generally
01:13:05playing for your club
01:13:06So to be playing every week
01:13:07and then travel
01:13:08for years maybe
01:13:09sometimes you have to
01:13:10tolerate for a few months
01:13:11I can see exactly why
01:13:12players would get fed up
01:13:13It's tough when you're
01:13:14playing every week
01:13:15and then you go blank
01:13:16When I retired
01:13:17the reason I stopped
01:13:18was John Terry
01:13:19and Rio Ferdinand
01:13:20were ahead of me
01:13:21but they were much better
01:13:22players than me
01:13:23They were amazing
01:13:24as good as anything
01:13:25in the world at the time
01:13:26But I couldn't play
01:13:27any better for Liverpool
01:13:28I got Liverpool's
01:13:29Player of the Year
01:13:30in the two years
01:13:31we got to the
01:13:32Champions League final
01:13:33over a two or three year period
01:13:34So I then
01:13:35I think Rio might have
01:13:36been out
01:13:37Someone was out
01:13:38and someone else got picked
01:13:39and listen
01:13:40fair play
01:13:41they were good players
01:13:42who came in
01:13:43But then I said
01:13:44I want to concentrate
01:13:45on Liverpool
01:13:46And then
01:13:47you know what
01:13:48not frustrated me
01:13:49So Steve McClanahan
01:13:50come and met me
01:13:51in fair play
01:13:52He's the England manager
01:13:53He comes to meet me
01:13:54face to face in Liverpool
01:13:55Listen can I call you
01:13:56He says
01:13:57I'm going to play you
01:13:58in the next game
01:13:59And I was like
01:14:00Really?
01:14:01No
01:14:02I feel like I've bullied you
01:14:03to play
01:14:04I haven't said I'm not
01:14:05It felt awkward James
01:14:06Yeah I'm like
01:14:07I don't want to play now
01:14:08because I've said
01:14:09No
01:14:10I wouldn't want to
01:14:11play
01:14:12You know what I mean
01:14:13So I was a bit like
01:14:14Oh no that's me
01:14:15Yeah I felt a bit awkward
01:14:16But then what might have felt
01:14:17a bit awkward
01:14:18what didn't feel as awkward
01:14:19I ended up going back
01:14:20because Capello
01:14:21wanted me to go back
01:14:22And Steve
01:14:23he was just raving
01:14:24about Capello
01:14:25when he'd come back
01:14:26And I didn't say
01:14:27I want to play for England
01:14:28now they're in
01:14:29the World Cup
01:14:30But the last weekend
01:14:31of a season
01:14:32before the World Cup
01:14:33I think two centre-backs
01:14:34went down
01:14:35you know like
01:14:36sort of injured
01:14:37So at the last minute
01:14:38they called me
01:14:39But I'm thinking like
01:14:40Capello, Berezi, Maldini
01:14:41I'm thinking
01:14:42I've just got to see
01:14:43what this fella's about
01:14:44And it's my country
01:14:45obviously
01:14:46Exactly
01:14:47And it's my country
01:14:48Right
01:14:49Yes
01:14:50It's my country
01:14:51So I thought
01:14:52OK I'm going
01:14:53I'm coming to South Africa
01:14:54Players it's benefited
01:14:55like Jamie Vardy
01:14:56I would say
01:14:57it's benefited him
01:14:58hasn't it
01:14:59retiring from England
01:15:00and then kind of
01:15:01his longevity now
01:15:02Some players don't enjoy it
01:15:03Some players don't enjoy it
01:15:04Like Banter I mean
01:15:05Yeah
01:15:06I think they can choose
01:15:07I think he's
01:15:08going to come back
01:15:09with something else
01:15:10Right that's it
01:15:11That's it
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