KHABAR Muhammad Malick Kay Saath | Faisal Vawda | Nusrat Javed | ARY News | 5th March 2025
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:27Global Terrorism Index, Institute for Economics and Peace, is a credible institution.
00:37It is said that Pakistan has come second in the Global Terrorism Index.
00:42We have Bakunin Faso on top of us.
00:44And interestingly, if you look at the top 10 countries on this list,
00:47Afghanistan, which is considered to be the home of terrorism, is at 9th place.
00:51And there has been an improvement of 2-3 levels in terrorism, that is, there has been a reduction.
00:56And last year, about 1,100 people were martyred in Pakistan.
01:01Civilians, law enforcing, soldiers, the army, the FTC, all together.
01:06And in just one month, in the last month, there have been about 100 martyrs so far.
01:12And now you are seeing, we are seeing incidents every day, whether in Balochistan or KP.
01:17Obviously, there has been a great debate about it.
01:20And today there are statements in which it seems that all the blame has been put on the Taliban.
01:27We will talk about this in detail, whether they will really bring it or not,
01:31in the era of Imran Khan's government.
01:33Because there are a lot of questions raised on it.
01:36I had shared 2-3 conversations on this in 2-3 programs.
01:41And I had that from the former Army Chief, General Bajwa.
01:45When he was the Army Chief, I will share some of his conversations with you.
01:50And after his retirement, I had some conversations with him.
01:54I specifically asked him, that this is a big thing, that Imran Khan's government had left him.
01:59I said, who are these people, where have they come from, how many people have settled here?
02:03So he said, you ask people, tell me, if you say that they have settled in thousands,
02:08then where have they been, in a village, in a school, they must have been somewhere.
02:12He said that this became a policy.
02:15And do you remember, there was a very famous meeting when the Parliamentary Briefing took place.
02:19All the party members were present.
02:22He and the DGIS, General Faiz Ameed, gave them a briefing.
02:27Then this matter went to the cabinet, to Imran Khan's cabinet.
02:31When it first went to the cabinet, they said, no, you talk in the Parliament.
02:35Then this Parliamentary Committee meeting took place.
02:37Then after this, this matter went back to the cabinet.
02:40And in that cabinet, a lot of people opposed it.
02:43In that, Khawaja Sahib was there, Murad Saeed was there, Dawar Sahib was there, other people were there.
02:50In any case, this was a policy approval, that no, it should be brought,
02:54and the moderate people will be re-radicalized and settled.
02:59And all these things kept happening.
03:01But their insistence is that this has never been implemented.
03:06And even today, I ask my question again and again, that if these people say that so many people will be brought,
03:11then where will they be brought? Where will they be brought?
03:13We should talk about that.
03:15And I asked them a question in a meeting.
03:17I said, if what you are saying is true, then if a committee calls you in front of the Parliament,
03:23are you ready to answer?
03:25They said, yes, call me in the Parliament.
03:28But this should be an open session so that the whole nation can hear what is true and what is false.
03:34I think the time has come.
03:36Because today, the Defence Minister, Khawaja Asif Sahib, said that General Faiz Ameed, General Bajwa,
03:41and his Prime Minister, Imran Khan, are responsible.
03:45Another question arises, that if this is true and people have been settled,
03:50then in the KP, the search is understood,
03:52that the terrorism that has come in such a strong wave in Balochistan, then why has it come there?
03:57Are these people not there? Are the elements there different?
04:00So this is a very serious issue that we cannot take lightly.
04:04But when we look at the things of the government,
04:06then at such times, we see the confusion of the government as well.
04:10We see the confusion of the PTI every day.
04:12There are fights going on among each other.
04:14Sometimes one is rubbing against the other, sometimes the other is fighting.
04:17But the state of the government now is that,
04:19today Rana Sanaullah Sahib said this in a programme,
04:23and he took the Interior Minister, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib, by force.
04:27He said that Mohsin Naqvi Sahib can tell us which Jamaat he is from.
04:31He was given a vote by the PPB, Muslim League CAF,
04:35and then on the issue of Iqtiyar Wali, he said that if our government was there,
04:39then he would never have become a minister.
04:41A short while ago, a notification has come out,
04:45in which the Prime Minister has appointed the coordinator, Iqtiyar Wali, on KP Affairs.
04:52Now Iqtiyar Wali Sahib and his full enmity with each other,
04:56who is bringing him, who is not bringing him,
04:58then Rana Sanaullah Sahib said something else.
05:00He said that if the Muslim League CAF government was there,
05:03then Purvez Khattak would never have become a minister.
05:06This is the situation.
05:08On one hand, we are talking about terrorism,
05:10on the other hand, these things are happening.
05:12A very important member of the ruling party,
05:14he is not owning his Interior Minister.
05:16It seems that there is a strange confusion,
05:19and its benefit always goes to another place.
05:21And the third question that arises,
05:23that the biggest support for terrorism,
05:27is in a society where there is a lot of extremism.
05:31There is a lot of extremism.
05:33In Pakistan, we don't touch extremism, we don't mess with it.
05:36Without touching extremism,
05:38without taking those communities, those groups in line,
05:42can terrorism end?
05:44These are very serious things.
05:46Domestic politics is linked,
05:48because policy making is about political stability.
05:51If the political parties themselves,
05:53will be the victims of violence,
05:55then how will there be a joint policy?
05:57We will talk about all these things.
05:59We have Senator Faisal Wabna,
06:01thank you very much.
06:03Nusrat Javed, thank you very much.
06:05Mohsin Beg, again,
06:07none of the three are in need of introduction.
06:09Shahji, let me start with you.
06:12What we have discussed today,
06:16what Rana Sinala has said,
06:19this clearly shows a conflict,
06:21even within the government,
06:23a very sensitive conflict is going on.
06:25First we are told that the government is very stable.
06:28Then we see that suddenly,
06:30a cabinet of 50 people is being formed.
06:32It has been four days,
06:34it seems like a war is going on,
06:36there is no notification yet,
06:38who is getting which ministry,
06:40who is not getting it.
06:42If everything is so stable,
06:44then these cabinet expansions,
06:46from one side, Pervez Khattak,
06:48from the other side, Iqtiyar Wali,
06:50on the other side, Rana Sinala,
06:52no less than the Interior Minister,
06:54he is being fired.
06:56This, what do you see,
06:58in this whole situation?
07:00I will tell you only one excerpt from Urdu,
07:02but first make a promise to me,
07:04you will not say anything about
07:06my facial expressions,
07:08or about my condition.
07:10If you will do it without smiling,
07:12then I will not say anything.
07:14This is a big issue,
07:16we have a lot of issues in Punjab,
07:18so one person,
07:20who is a character,
07:22he has a leather shoe,
07:24which is called Chapras,
07:26so you keep that on my hand,
07:28and let me talk.
07:30So he is being fired.
07:32I say,
07:34poor Mohsin Naqvi,
07:36you are unnecessarily
07:38getting involved in a controversy.
07:40Rana Sinala was involved today.
07:42Poor Rana Sinala,
07:44what can I do,
07:46we are on a television,
07:48which can be seen at home,
07:50but if you do something with hunger,
07:52then it is a Punjabi proverb.
07:54So both of them are helpless.
07:56Tell me one thing,
08:00there is a country,
08:02its name is America,
08:04it needs a very high
08:06profile terrorist
08:08from Pakistan.
08:10Does he call Mohsin Naqvi,
08:12the champion of democracy?
08:14Who does he contact?
08:16So,
08:18what is there to be jealous of
08:20poor Mohsin Naqvi?
08:22Be jealous of the person
08:24who got a call,
08:26because of which
08:28the American president
08:30had to praise Pakistan
08:32for 60 seconds
08:34in his long speech.
08:36Otherwise,
08:38he would have contacted him.
08:40So,
08:42poor Mohsin Naqvi
08:44is as helpless as Rana Sinala.
08:46So,
08:48this is a good thing
08:50for us to do this program,
08:52but
08:54there is something about
08:56Mohsin Naqvi,
08:58if you call him
09:00an intruder.
09:02Yes,
09:04it is possible that
09:06Mohsin Naqvi is a good person,
09:08if he gets any information about you,
09:10he will take some action.
09:12So, till this time,
09:14he is fine with the SHO,
09:16but as you say,
09:18he is an intruder in that
09:20classical sense of the word.
09:22So, you are saying that
09:24it is a non-issue,
09:26leave it.
09:28I genuinely believe it,
09:30but this is not
09:32the government of
09:34the country,
09:36it is the government
09:38of the country.
09:40So,
09:42it is a non-issue,
09:44leave it.
09:46So,
09:48it is a non-issue,
09:50leave it.
09:52So,
09:54it is a non-issue,
09:56leave it.
09:58So,
10:00it is a non-issue,
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14:38It is a non-issue,
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14:42It is a non-issue,
14:44leave it.
14:46He was yours friend may be,
14:48may be you have been cheated.
14:50But can you ask his
14:52question?
14:54As you are telling that
14:56leave it.
14:58You did not give relevance,
15:00if we want to do political
15:02setting up,
15:04you cannot deny their relevance.
15:06How can you tell them to leave
15:08PTI .
15:10Sir, whatever issues are
15:12going on with their internal party,
15:14A lot of people are in the process of taking up positions and becoming close to the leader.
15:21A lot of people have been fired, who were artificially compromised in different places.
15:27So I think they will remain relevant.
15:29It is a political party and its majority is not, but it has a very sizable appearance in all the assemblies.
15:39So they will remain relevant, they are present, they are in the parliament, they are in almost all places.
15:48They have a government in one place.
15:50So what kind of politics do they want to do in the future?
15:55Or maybe they will have to rethink what path they want to take.
16:02Shahji, what are the options at the moment?
16:06The politics of clashes was going on in PTI.
16:08No, the politics of clashes…
16:09It has not been able to warm up the streets.
16:12So what will happen now? Will there be a discussion?
16:14November 26th, I think, was the cut-off date.
16:19I think that the space they got that day,
16:25such opportunities do not come daily for people to run a movement.
16:33That is, a respectable woman herself came,
16:37and probably because of her, people were able to enter Islamabad,
16:42with enthusiasm and zeal.
16:44If the matter had been left to Ali Ghandapur,
16:47then what would have happened?
16:49The matter would have ended.
16:54After that, it is that you convinced all of us,
16:59and when you appealed to Ali Ghandapur,
17:03you said that hundreds of deaths have occurred.
17:05Now, that was the point to start.
17:08If you can't find a bigger cause than this,
17:11then you have wasted it.
17:13So what are the options now?
17:15The option they have is,
17:17what they have been trying for a long time,
17:22that if you really want to fight a system in Pakistan,
17:27then you try to do one against all.
17:33All the politicians should be on one side,
17:36and the government should be separated.
17:39No, the government should be separated.
17:41On the other hand, they come and go,
17:45like Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, etc.
17:47The problem is that I, with my extreme sorrow,
17:52I am still not ashamed,
17:54I will always be proud of my democracy.
17:57Brother Fazl can make fun of me as much as he wants,
18:00I am old enough to do that.
18:02But, one has to think,
18:06that if we talk about the politics of the parliament,
18:09we say that there is a parliamentary democracy in this country,
18:12then is our parliament complete?
18:15Has it been decided in the National Assembly
18:18that who has the special seats for women?
18:21Not all of them are vacant.
18:23Is it represented in that house,
18:27which is called Wafaaq-e-Alafat?
18:32Not completely.
18:34Now, the chairman of Iwane Bala,
18:39whose name is Yusuf Raza Gilani,
18:41who is also a former Prime Minister,
18:43he is not presiding over the Senate session,
18:46he is saying that he has no time,
18:48I order you to present Ijaz Chaudhry,
18:51who is the senator of PTI,
18:53he is not present.
18:55Today, a simple question is being asked,
18:57the people who are in his place,
18:59they are also new,
19:01they are not understanding,
19:03that this is a misunderstanding of the people,
19:05that you do not ask permission from their head
19:07that I should hold him.
19:09Yes, when Mohsen Naqvi will get you arrested,
19:12because of your habits,
19:14I think you deserve it,
19:16then the speaker will be informed,
19:18that according to this and that case,
19:20Muhammad Malik has been arrested.
19:22He said that you have been informed
19:24that Awn Pabbi has been arrested.
19:26And coincidentally,
19:28in the agenda published today,
19:30there is the 14th item,
19:32that Awn Pabbi,
19:34through the attention-gathering notice,
19:36will ask Mohsen Naqvi,
19:38that sir, these people
19:40who are going to Balochistan,
19:42by giving their identification card,
19:44they are being killed,
19:46what is the reason for this?
19:48Instead of giving an answer,
19:50they got arrested in Cholistan,
19:52and the deputy chairman
19:54did not get any information.
19:56In such a situation,
19:58who should I cry in front of?
20:00Who should I talk in front of?
20:02And, yes, yes, yes, listen to the joke,
20:04you are bringing up Rana Sanaullah,
20:06the minister of law says,
20:08actually the thing is that
20:10the Punjab government will have a problem,
20:12I will find out,
20:14Aazam Talat sir goes there,
20:16he calls,
20:18Afzabad,
20:20he will find out,
20:22yes, Aamir Sahib,
20:24where are you going?
20:26And he says, sir, this is it,
20:28and we will find out.
20:30And he is presenting the whole issue
20:32in such a way that,
20:34like the chief minister of Punjab
20:36is violating the chairman's
20:38production order,
20:40and not the other one,
20:42do you remember when you and I
20:44used to cover the assembly in Jawani,
20:46and Gohar Ayub Khan used to
20:48issue the production order
20:50for Asim Ali Zardari,
20:52then Jam Sadiq Ali used to say
20:54that I will not leave it,
20:56because he was the chief
20:58in those days of President Ishaq.
21:00Do you remember or not?
21:02So when the deputy chairman
21:04himself stood up and said,
21:06okay, I will find out
21:08why the Punjab government
21:10led the assembly,
21:12then Shah ji
21:14spoke in his own style.
21:16I want Mohsin Akbir
21:18not to talk alone,
21:20so that I can get bored without him.
21:22Honestly,
21:24you say these are the
21:26ground realities,
21:28these are just the appearance
21:30of a structure.
21:32But though,
21:34can these things run for
21:36tenable five years?
21:38Raj Rana Sanowal said that there was a meeting on terrorism, it was a proof of trust.
21:42The Bajwa and Faisal did the decision to bring in Abbas, so this is at least a proof.
21:48If there is no proof here, then how will it work?
21:51Mr. Nusrat said that after issuing the production order, the chairman of the senate went on a protest.
21:58So he is also going on a tour, he is also going on an official tour,
22:02call it an official tour, call it a vacation, whatever you call it.
22:04So the protest was a half-hearted protest.
22:07What is a better protest for me than this, that I am in a position,
22:09I am doing everything and I am not coming.
22:11So this is a separate debate.
22:12Do you want the protestors to resign?
22:14No, no, no, I don't want anything.
22:16They went through so much difficulty, they worked very hard.
22:19They didn't come to resign.
22:20I have a very good relationship with them, don't spoil it for me.
22:22But I, Mr. Nusrat, the Pakistan Chairman of the Caid-e-Azam,
22:28he has taken such a large portion of the funerals,
22:30and the picture that is there in the offices,
22:34of the Caid-e-Azam.
22:37He has taken such a large portion of Pakistan.
22:39You don't want the Caid-e-Azam of Pakistan, we do.
22:41But listen to me, to the extent that we have taken,
22:43where we talk about democracy, I can't demolish Mr. Nusrat's grave.
22:46I have teachers, I have elders.
22:48But I am telling you that if you want to talk to the Noon League today,
22:52if you want to make a representative of the Noon League sit there,
22:54then you should make the PTI of today sit there.
22:56He is also a member of the Noon League, he is with the Noon League.
22:58That is, the Noon League and the PTI are a joint party.
23:01And this is the government.
23:03If your democratic funerals, dead bodies,
23:06gave you a tap, gave you water, gave you a school, gave you colleges.
23:11You are saying that due to the politics of the PTI,
23:13the Noon League has become a compulsion of the system.
23:17And this is because of that.
23:19No, no, sir, you are putting words on me right now.
23:22No, I am asking you a question.
23:23I am asking you a question.
23:24Sir, should I make a representative of the Noon League sit here
23:27or should I make a representative of the present PTI sit here?
23:29They are the same.
23:30Okay. They are the participants.
23:31Imran Khan's politics was exhausted.
23:34The PTI has disowned him according to the plan.
23:37Now I am asking you a question.
23:39I am asking Mr. Nusrat Javed and Mr. Baig a question.
23:41You were fond of democratic funerals,
23:43you were fond of democracy.
23:44Now, if a team player of Pakistan is giving you things in this democracy,
23:49and Pakistan is moving positively,
23:52whether it is at the level of the Americans,
23:55whether it is at the level of the IMF,
23:57whether it is at the level of investment,
23:58whether it is at the level of smuggling,
24:00whether it is at the level of the current account deficit,
24:03whether it is at the level of dollar curtailment,
24:06whether it is at the level of bloodshed to make sacrifices,
24:08if I am telling you that all these levels are being given by this institution,
24:12which has 85% left in this country,
24:14and the rest of the 85% have been corrupted,
24:16and you are making statements of the champions of democracy,
24:20that he is saying this for this, he is saying that for that,
24:22then you should ask them,
24:24with respect,
24:25that if your government is not doing it,
24:27then who is doing it?
24:28Someone's father is doing it,
24:29not his name.
24:30Okay?
24:31You say on the law of PECA that we don't know,
24:33we put a thumbprint,
24:34when we cornered on your program,
24:36then people came in front of you and said that we did it.
24:39Now you are saying that his statement was made by Noor League,
24:42his statement was made by Gawad-e-Pakistan,
24:44Punjab has arrested him,
24:46and at the time of Punjab, PTI arrested him,
24:48so this TikTok will continue,
24:50and under TikTok, you will keep suspending people,
24:53doctors, MS, etc.
24:55If you want to talk to me seriously, then the serious thing is of Pakistan,
24:58you put your share.
24:59Now all this is being done,
25:0160 billion,
25:03I have returned 72 hours to Pakistan,
25:05keep playing its drums,
25:08it didn't make any difference to me,
25:09I put my share.
25:10You put your share,
25:12whatever you want,
25:14it will take you at least 100-150 years,
25:16now 75 years have passed.
25:18Mr. Beg, you come to terrorism,
25:20I am talking about that.
25:21Please keep me on this.
25:23Let me answer him,
25:24he has given a thesis.
25:26The institution that he is talking about,
25:29under the parliamentary system,
25:32the constitution of 1973,
25:34either change it,
25:36this institution comes under them,
25:38to whom this funeral is being called.
25:40And this institution is saved because of them.
25:43It is not like that,
25:44if you want to bring some other system,
25:46tear this,
25:47the constitution of 1973,
25:49the credit will definitely go.
25:52But these are all institutions of Pakistan,
25:54for God's sake,
25:55if there is no democracy,
25:56if there is no parliament,
25:58then tell them to come and sit,
26:00and take all the credit.
26:01And when you take all the credit,
26:03then this credit also goes to you.
26:06It will not come to you and me,
26:07it will not come to Mr. Nusrat.
26:09This is wrong,
26:11I think we will go to the summit,
26:14if something is left in this country,
26:16if the foundation of the institution is still there,
26:18and this democracy,
26:19so called, whatever,
26:21you call it,
26:22it is not like that.
26:23Let's call it an imperfect democracy.
26:25Whatever you call it,
26:26but you have to live under this system.
26:29This country is yours,
26:31it is for all of us,
26:32it is not just for the army,
26:34we also have to run it,
26:35we also live in it.
26:37We have to give them the credit,
26:39but under this system,
26:40or to change the system,
26:41bring a new constitution,
26:43according to which we give all the power to them,
26:45let's stop all this drama.
26:47This cannot go on like this.
26:48But Mr. Peke,
26:49do I have to put the name of Gogi,
26:51Sharif, Khan,
26:53to come forward in this system?
26:55So you said to Mr. Rana Sanaullah,
26:57meaning we cannot leave the family,
26:59no one from Pakistan has ever come.
27:01You said to Mr. Rana Sanaullah,
27:03that he does not know which is Mohsin Naqvi's party,
27:05ask him which is his brother's party.
27:07You did not ask him this question.
27:09You are doing it.
27:11No, I am doing it because he is my younger brother,
27:13I have no problem in asking questions,
27:15but it was your job.
27:17Mohsin Naqvi is not in this show.
27:19Let me ask him,
27:20tell me which is your party?
27:21It is very simple,
27:22the first method was of justice,
27:23you gave me the vote of the People's Party,
27:24MKM gave me the vote,
27:25if my relationship with the People's Party is good,
27:27then everyone voted for him.
27:29I did not speak against him,
27:31I am not in favour of him.
27:34Shahji, quick comment,
27:36I have to take a break,
27:37do you want to say something?
27:38What do you mean?
27:39I think you want to say something,
27:40if you want to say something,
27:41then tell me,
27:42otherwise I will take a break.
27:43I do not want to say anything right now.
27:44Okay, I will take a break,
27:45after the break,
27:46we will talk about terrorism.
27:47Stay with us.
27:54Welcome back to the show.
27:56There is little time,
27:57but I want to talk about two dimensions.
28:00Mr. Baig,
28:01Mr. Baig,
28:02there is news,
28:03that is why I am asking you,
28:04this is a very big question,
28:05an oversimplified reason is being given,
28:07that thousands of people
28:08have been settled
28:09in Imran's government,
28:10that is why,
28:11I told you in the beginning,
28:12what General Bajwa says,
28:13he is ready,
28:14call him to the parliament,
28:15he will come in front.
28:17First of all,
28:18this should not be clear,
28:19because this is a very big,
28:20an oversimplified reason is being given,
28:22although then it does not explain,
28:24that even if they have been settled there,
28:26then why is there such a surge in Balochistan?
28:28That is a totally unrelated thing,
28:30there are many other factors in this.
28:32Do you have any information,
28:34that people were really settled,
28:36were brought,
28:37in the number of thousands,
28:39or in the number of hundreds?
28:41Mr. Malik,
28:42they were brought,
28:43there were 25,000 people,
28:44who are Pakistanis,
28:45when the operation started,
28:47they were working in different organizations,
28:49and groups.
28:50No, that was different,
28:51when the strike started,
28:52and people were brought to the camps,
28:54No, no, no, no,
28:55there was vetting,
28:56some people were taken out from there,
28:58some people were brought back,
28:59they were Pakistanis.
29:00Mr. Malik,
29:01those who were in Afghanistan,
29:02they are also Pakistanis,
29:03they were given permission to return,
29:05they came back to their areas,
29:07to their families.
29:08Where are they?
29:09No one knows,
29:10no one knows where they are.
29:11No, no, everyone knows sir,
29:12everyone knows.
29:13So, all the people who are caught,
29:14in terrorist attacks,
29:15the Afghans who are also caught,
29:16they say,
29:17I came from Afghanistan yesterday,
29:18I came the day before yesterday,
29:19so then,
29:20why is there no resident of Pakistan,
29:22that Afghan,
29:23that yes,
29:24I have been living in Parachinar,
29:25for three years,
29:26or I was living there,
29:27today I have been caught.
29:28Look,
29:29all the people we have caught,
29:30they have come from across the border,
29:31then where are all the locals?
29:32It is not like that,
29:33if there are no locals,
29:34then this terrorism,
29:35no one can do it,
29:36coming from Afghanistan,
29:37until they get local support.
29:38That is something else.
29:39And similarly,
29:40I have told you before,
29:41that these are coordinated attacks,
29:42against the army,
29:43against the state of Pakistan,
29:44there is an international conspiracy
29:45behind this,
29:46against our country,
29:47because we are the nuclear country,
29:48only Islamic country.
29:49So,
29:50this one,
29:51this one,
29:52this one,
29:53this one,
29:54this one,
29:55this one,
29:56this one,
29:57this one,
29:58this one,
29:59this one,
30:00this one.
30:01So,
30:02this one,
30:03this one,
30:04this one,
30:05this one,
30:06this one,
30:07this one,
30:08this one,
30:09this one,
30:10this one,
30:11this one,
30:12this one.
30:13So,
30:14this attack,
30:15is not possible,
30:16without coordination.
30:17The second thing is,
30:18I am also against the fact,
30:19that Modi,
30:20along with Trump,
30:21has made Pakistan
30:22count terrorism
30:23and blame.
30:24We,
30:25Gulbhushan has been held for 11 years, and you...
30:29Sir, that's why you can't take it, that's why you can't take it.
30:31You have a gulf state, your big brother is a gulf state.
30:35They also have reports of funding.
30:37Of course they do.
30:38To sabotage the Gwadar port.
30:39No, not Gwadar, the attacks in Karachi.
30:40You have so many things with you.
30:42Shahji, I have 20 questions for you.
30:43I am focusing on one thing,
30:46that should this thing be cleared once and for all?
30:50One former army chief says that this didn't happen,
30:53the policy was made, it didn't happen.
30:55After that, the PDM government came in.
30:57If the PDM-1 government has come in, then Mr. Shahbaz, tell us.
31:00Tell us something.
31:01Let me tell you one thing,
31:02I know that you are moving forward with the words of Mr. Jinnah.
31:08I am in the ranks.
31:08There is no credibility.
31:09He is a great man.
31:11So I say, call the parliament and answer.
31:14Can you tell me, will his own department let him go?
31:20I don't know.
31:22They also know that I am in safe hands.
31:26That's why, while talking to you,
31:28and we have seen that the army chief is saying,
31:31call me.
31:31Oh, brother, there is no one else.
31:33Did demonstrations take place in Sawat?
31:35People came on the roads,
31:36that Taliban is being instigated here.
31:39Did Murad Saeed,
31:41didn't he say that the country is being spied on?
31:46He opposed it in the cabinet.
31:48He opposed it in the cabinet.
31:48He opposed it in the cabinet.
31:50Okay, but this is a fact that people came on the roads
31:55in different cities of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
32:00So why did they come on the roads?
32:02That was a protest.
32:05So now if the army chief says,
32:08now I will tell you,
32:10Bilal Sarwari, he is not a Pakistani.
32:13He wrote a long tweet yesterday,
32:16in which he has written about all those cities,
32:18especially Wardak province.
32:21He has said that almost every other day,
32:25Afghan youth are being killed here.
32:30This means that the cross-border is happening from Afghanistan.
32:34So far, you have not been able to open the way for Parachinar.
32:39Because Afghanistan is on all four sides.
32:42Afghanistan is on all three sides.
32:45I would like to say that you should not waste your time on this question.
32:50You should only request that,
32:53look sir, you got intelligence,
32:56you told us that Sharifullah is here.
32:59Please tell us about our people.
33:02And for that, what is there to be ashamed of?
33:05Give and take.
33:06Give and take.
33:07We don't need to negotiate that.
33:10All the focus is on kinetic operations.
33:12Yes.
33:13Kinetic operations without non-kinetic developments,
33:16nothing will happen.
33:18This will continue.
33:19This will continue.
33:20But we don't see any government priority.
33:22We don't see any terrorism-focused policy-making meetings.
33:27By gathering the parties,
33:29like what happened after APS,
33:32a whole country was gathered, a policy was made.
33:34It was not implemented.
33:36It will be thrown in the trash.
33:37That's a different story.
33:39Can we fight terrorism without doing all this?
33:42Before you answer,
33:44I would like to apologize to you.
33:46Where portfolios are being allocated,
33:50you are saying that there is a fight between APC and terrorism.
33:53Talk about some sense.
33:55Look, Mr. Nawaz, Mr. Nusrat Javid's point is very valid.
33:58The show should end on this.
34:00But the thing is that Mr. Baig gets upset
34:02that when I say the funeral of democracy,
34:05I will tell you first,
34:07You are also a senator.
34:08You are also a representative of this democracy.
34:10I am not at the funeral.
34:12I have not been in this democracy for 75 years.
34:14Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail.
34:16Sometimes black, sometimes white.
34:18You have put the example of Gilani sir on yourself.
34:20I speak with clarity.
34:22And every man has a shelf life.
34:24It's been a long time since it expired.
34:26It's rotten, it's over, it's torn.
34:28But you need the same surnames, the same faces.
34:30Like, not like, children, etc.
34:32Joe Wilson's tweet has also come.
34:34Thank you Pakistan.
34:35From Free Imran Khan to Thank you Pakistan,
34:37there is a development here too.
34:39After that, Mr. Baig gets upset.
34:41Now you have blown up an MS in Punjab today.
34:44CM Sahiba.
34:45Amir Hospital.
34:46Amir Hospital.
34:47Now the actual story of this is that
34:49this theater show is fine.
34:51But three weeks ago,
34:53that MS has resigned.
34:55He did not accept his resignation.
34:57That hospital is at a loss of three billion rupees.
34:59How will a contractor give medicines?
35:01The medicine supplier has three billion
35:03outstanding, all the people there.
35:05If there is no medicine,
35:06the MS will bring medicines from his father's house.
35:08When there will be medicines,
35:09then from where will he give?
35:10All the patients will make noise.
35:12You told him,
35:13bye,
35:14and I will arrest him.
35:16If you didn't know this before coming,
35:18your homework is not right.
35:20That you have not paid for the shortage of medicines,
35:22you have not addressed the issue.
35:24But if you have to do all the work for optics,
35:26then when I give credit,
35:28that the people who are doing the work seriously,
35:30then everyone gets upset.
35:31If I am also a member of the republic,
35:33then in my republic,
35:34if I say to Mr. Baig,
35:36that the Senate seat is worth 1.25 billion rupees,
35:38supposedly,
35:39then I have returned 70-80 billion rupees to Pakistan.
35:42Okay?
35:43Keep clarity,
35:44you put your share,
35:45you do optics,
35:47you do optics,
35:48whatever you do,
35:49I will take out your handkerchief on your suit,
35:51I will hold your tie,
35:52his optics will be made,
35:53this social media will be hit.
35:54But this is not how the country is running.
35:56The country will run
35:57when people will come with new ideas.
35:59The work that Mr. Baig was doing,
36:01today his son is doing.
36:02You tell Mr. Baig,
36:03I will do it all my life.
36:04The son will come,
36:05he will grow up,
36:06he will be capable.
36:07And if he is not capable,
36:08then Mr. Baig will say,
36:09keep a professional instead of him.
36:10Okay?
36:11This is the way of the world.
36:12This is not,
36:13that in my name,
36:14Gobi will be put,
36:15Khan will be put,
36:16Sharif will be put,
36:17so and so will be put,
36:18then only the republic will run.
36:19Apart from this,
36:20the funeral of the republic cannot run.
36:21The same faces,
36:22the same old ones.
36:23These policy makers,
36:24last 75 years,
36:25all the political parties,
36:26including PTI,
36:27everyone got time,
36:28everyone got tenures,
36:29got 3 years,
36:30got 5 years,
36:31got 15 years,
36:32got 20 years,
36:33got 25 years.
36:34Thank you all very much.
36:35Viewers, let's have a break.
36:45Welcome back to the show.
36:46Viewers, you heard the talks.
36:48I will talk very briefly.
36:50I still think,
36:51that this is a very big issue.
36:53The Prime Minister said,
36:54that the people have been settled,
36:55because of that,
36:56the terrorism has increased a lot.
36:57The Defence Minister is saying this,
36:58the rest of the people are saying this.
37:00If Mr. Nusrat says,
37:01that there is no need,
37:03and people have come,
37:04whatever,
37:05but we will not let them come.
37:07My opinion is,
37:08that the people,
37:09whose name is mentioned,
37:10and this is a very serious issue,
37:12definitely call them to Parliament.
37:14If General Bajwa comes,
37:15call him too.
37:16Ask him,
37:17what happened,
37:18what did not happen.
37:19Because,
37:20until we get to know the facts,
37:21we will not understand these things,
37:23how the policy making will be,
37:25and the government should also
37:26move away from optics.
37:27The dramas should end,
37:28and make a serious policy on this.
37:30With your permission,
37:31Allah Hafiz.
37:33Al-Fatiha.