Pakistan's Current System... A Fascinating Discussion Between Mohsin Baig and Faisal Vawda
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00:00Mr. Baig, let's come back to terrorism.
00:02Please keep me on this topic.
00:04Let me answer his question.
00:06He has stated a thesis.
00:08Let's talk about terrorism later.
00:10The institution that he is talking about,
00:12under the parliamentary system,
00:14the constitution of 1973,
00:16or at least change it.
00:18This institution comes under
00:20those who are being called a funeral.
00:22And this institution is saved because of them.
00:24It is not like that.
00:26If you want to bring some other system,
00:28you have to break the constitution of 1973.
00:30The credit must go to them.
00:32But these are all institutions of Pakistan.
00:34For God's sake,
00:36if there is no democracy,
00:38then they should come and sit here
00:40and take all the credit.
00:42And when you take all the credit,
00:44then you also get discredited.
00:46It won't come to you or me.
00:48It won't come to Mr. Nusrat.
00:50This is wrong.
00:52I think we will go to Simmat.
00:54If something is left in this country,
00:56if the foundation of the institution is left,
00:58and this democracy,
01:00so-called, whatever,
01:02you call it,
01:04it is not like that.
01:06Let's call it an imperfect democracy.
01:08Whatever you call it.
01:10But you have to live under this system.
01:12This country is yours.
01:14It is ours.
01:16It is not just for the army to run it.
01:18We have to run it too.
01:20We live in it too.
01:22You have to give them credit.
01:24You have to bring a new institution.
01:26You have to give all the power to them.
01:28You have to stop all this.
01:30It can't go on like this.
01:32But Mr. Bhek,
01:34do I have to put Gogi's name,
01:36Sharif's name,
01:38Khan's name,
01:40so that we can't get out of the family?
01:42People can't come to Pakistan.
01:44You asked Mr. Rana Sanaullah
01:46that he doesn't know which party
01:48Mohsin Naqvi is from.
01:50You didn't ask him this question.
01:52I am doing this because he is my younger brother.
01:54I don't have a problem in asking questions.
01:56But this was your job.
01:58Mohsin Naqvi is not in this show.
02:00Let me ask him.
02:02Tell me, which party are you from?
02:04It is very simple.
02:06You voted for me in the People's Party.
02:08If I have a good relationship with
02:10the People's Party,
02:12then everyone voted for him.
02:14I am not against him.
02:16No, no.
02:18Shahji, quick comment.
02:20You talk in your own style.
02:22What do I do?
02:24I want Mr. Naqvi's phone
02:26not only for me,
02:28but also for you.
02:30If he is alone,
02:32I will get bored without you.
02:34The ground realities
02:36and structure
02:38are different.
02:40But if these things are like this,
02:42can these tenable five years
02:44go on like this?
02:46Like Mr. Rana Sanaullah said,
02:48the meeting on terrorism
02:50was a proof.
02:52Mr. Bajwa and Mr. Fais
02:54took the decision.
02:56It is a proof.
02:58If there is no proof,
03:00then how will it go on?
03:02Mr. Nusrat said that
03:04after issuing the production order,
03:06the chairman of the senate
03:08went on a protest.
03:10He is on an official tour.
03:12You can call it a vacation.
03:14It was a half-hearted protest.
03:16What is a better protest for me?
03:18I am on a position.
03:20I am doing everything.
03:22This is a separate debate.
03:24Do you want him to resign?
03:26No, I don't want anything.
03:28He worked so hard.
03:30He didn't want to resign.
03:32I have a good relationship with him.
03:34Don't spoil it for me.
03:36But Mr. Nusrat,
03:38the Pakistani government
03:40and the picture
03:42in the offices
03:44of Mr. Nusrat Javed
03:46is a huge part of Pakistan.
03:48You don't want Pakistan.
03:50Listen to me.
03:52I can't make fun of Mr. Nusrat Javed.
03:54He is my teacher and my elder.
03:56But I am telling you
03:58that if you want to talk
04:00to the Noon League representative,
04:02then you should
04:04appoint the current PTI.
04:06They are the supporters of the Noon League.
04:08The Noon League and PTI
04:10are a joint party.
04:12If your dead bodies
04:14gave you a tap,
04:16water,
04:18schools,
04:20colleges...
04:22You are saying that
04:24due to PTI's politics,
04:26the Noon League has become
04:28a compulsion of the system.
04:30You are putting words on me.
04:32I am asking you
04:34whether you should appoint
04:36the Noon League representative
04:38or the current PTI representative.
04:40Imran Khan's politics
04:42was exhausted.
04:44PTI has disowned him.
04:46Now I am asking you
04:48a question to Mr. Nusrat Javed
04:50that you were interested
04:52in democratic funerals.
04:54Now if a team player
04:56of Pakistan is giving you
04:58things in this democracy
05:00and Pakistan is going
05:02positively,
05:04whether it is on the level
05:06of the Americans,
05:08whether it is on the level
05:10of smuggling,
05:12whether it is on the level
05:14of current account deficit,
05:16whether it is on the level
05:18of dollar curtailment,
05:20whether it is on the level
05:22of bloodshed.
05:24If all these levels
05:26are given by this institution
05:28which has 85 percent
05:30left in this country
05:32and the other 85 percent
05:34have been corrupted
05:36then who is doing it?
05:38Someone's father is doing it.
05:40You say on Pekka's law
05:42that we don't know,
05:44we put a thumbprint.
05:46When we cornered your program
05:48then people came in front of you
05:50and said that we did it.
05:52Now you are saying that
05:54the Noon League is not doing
05:56its speech, Pakistan is not
05:58doing its speech.
06:00Punjab has arrested Ahmed Babi
06:02and PTI has arrested him
06:04If you want to talk to me seriously
06:06then it is a serious matter of Pakistan.
06:08You put your share.
06:10Now all this is going on.
06:12I have returned 60 billion
06:14to Pakistan in 72 hours.
06:16I didn't care
06:18if the drums kept playing.
06:20I put my share.
06:22You put your share.
06:24Whatever you want,
06:26it will take you at least
06:28100 to 150 years.
06:30It's been 75 years.
06:32Let me answer him.
06:34He has given a thesis.
06:36The institution
06:38which he is talking about
06:40should either change
06:42the constitution of the
06:44parliamentary system of 73.
06:46This institution belongs
06:48to those who are being cremated.
06:50And this institution is saved
06:52because of them.
06:54It's not like that.
06:56If you want to bring another
06:58system, you should tear
07:00all the credit.
07:02But these are all institutions
07:04of Pakistan.
07:06If there is no parliament,
07:08then they should come
07:10and take all the credit.
07:12And when you take all the credit,
07:14then you get discredited.
07:16It won't come to you or me.
07:18It won't come to Nusrat.
07:20This is wrong.
07:22I think we will agree.
07:24If something is left in this country,
07:26if the foundation of the institution
07:28is left, and you call it
07:30a so-called republic,
07:32it's not like that.
07:34Let's call it an imperfect republic.
07:36Whatever you call it,
07:38you have to live under this system.
07:40This country belongs to you.
07:42It belongs to all of us.
07:44The army doesn't have to run it.
07:46We have to run it.
07:48We live in it.
07:50We have to give credit to them.
07:52Or change the system.
07:54Bring a new constitution.
07:56This can't go on like this.
07:58But Mr. Bhekha,
08:00do I have to put Gogi's name
08:02and Sharif's name
08:04and Khan's name
08:06to get ahead in this system?
08:08We can't get out of the family.
08:10No one can come to Pakistan.
08:12You asked Mr. Rana Sanaullah
08:14about Mohsin Naqvi's party.
08:16You didn't ask him.
08:18You are doing it.
08:20I am doing it because he is my younger brother.
08:22I have no problem in asking questions.
08:24But this was your job.
08:26Mohsin Naqvi is not in this show.
08:28I am asking you.
08:30Tell me your party.
08:32It was very simple.
08:34People's party voted for me.
08:36People's party is good.
08:38Everyone voted for him.
08:40I am not against him.
08:42No, no.
08:44Sharif, quick comment.
08:46I have to take a break.
08:48Do you want to say something?
08:50Tell me if you want to say something.
08:52I don't want to say anything.
08:54Let's take a break.
08:56Stay with us.