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00:00there was talk that this was really going to be nothing to do with the Europeans, or indeed nothing
00:03to do with the Ukrainians. This would all be sorted out between the United States and Russia
00:09on their own. Prime Minister Stana and President Macron have ensured, actually, that that is
00:16not what's going to happen. The Ukrainians are going to be involved in the negotiations,
00:21and the Europeans will have to be involved as well, not least because any settlement that is
00:27reached is going to have to be policed to make sure that it's secure. The two previous agreements
00:34holding back Russia, of course, were broken by Russia. So there is every European incentive
00:39in making sure that this time we have an agreement that really sticks.