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- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
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- Shaukat Yousafzai PTI
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:12Peace be upon you all.
00:13I am your host, Ashfaq Ishaq Sitti.
00:14I hope all of you are well.
00:15Today is a very important day because the Pakistan Minerals Investment Forum has begun
00:20and the foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been given the opportunity
00:25to invest in Pakistan.
00:26The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:33Pakistan.
00:34The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:40Pakistan.
00:41The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:42Pakistan.
00:43The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:44Pakistan.
00:45The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:46Pakistan.
00:47The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:48Pakistan.
00:49The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:50Pakistan.
00:51The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:52Pakistan.
00:53The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in Pakistan.
00:54The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in Pakistan.
00:55The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:56Pakistan.
00:57The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
00:58Pakistan.
00:59The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:00Pakistan.
01:01The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:02Pakistan.
01:03The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:04Pakistan.
01:05The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:06Pakistan.
01:07The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:08Pakistan.
01:09The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:10Pakistan.
01:11The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:12Pakistan.
01:13The foreign investors from the Prime Minister of Pakistan have been invited to invest in
01:14Pakistan.
01:15Pakistan has been blessed by Allah almighty, infinite natural resources, these deposits
01:29value trillions of dollars, and if we are able to harvest these great assets, I can say that
01:36Pakistan would say goodbye to institution like IMF.
01:39I would like to invite, on behalf of my government and provincial governments, all potential
01:45investors because I believe in my investor as my master.
01:50Alright, so you heard this.
01:53Army Chief General Syed Asim Muneer also addressed this forum and said that he is confident that
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05:57During the mining period
05:59construction, about 4000 permanent jobs
06:01which you can imagine will live there for 40, 50, 60 years
06:03which you can imagine will live there for 40, 50, 60 years
06:05apart from that, it's overall impact
06:07on the local vendors
06:09on the local vendors
06:11due to the big economic activity
06:13there will be a big eco system
06:15and the benefits of it will be different
06:17and the benefits of it will be different
06:19The RICO dig itself is just the beginning
06:21The RICO dig itself is just the beginning
06:23in the field of mine and minerals
06:25We hope that with this momentum, these things will materialize and be implemented.
06:36Sharmila, one thing is very important that we talk about the Rakyat-e-Iqam scheme, but
06:41in the beginning, we remember that it was mishandled when it was first worked on.
06:46So now, somewhere in the mind, one thing remains that are we thinking about our best interest
06:51and how Pakistan should look at its interest in that.
06:55So this time, do you feel that all these things are being looked at or made sure that there
07:00is no such mistake?
07:02Thank you, Mr. Sati.
07:03Look, if you ruin a matter somewhere, it remains somewhere in the back of your mind.
07:11And Pakistan has incurred a lot of losses in terms of record debt.
07:14Not only monetary wise, but also because when you give a sovereign guarantee and
07:20make a commitment, then different things happen.
07:24So a trust deficit is created.
07:27I hope that going forward, there are no such things.
07:33The level at which the summit has been held, and it is my wish and the wish of my community
07:39that there should be FDII in the country.
07:42Direct investment.
07:43Absolutely.
07:44And the economy should be good.
07:47Jobs should be good.
07:49People's condition should be better.
07:52So any effort in that direction is welcome.
07:55And we should support it.
07:56And I hope going forward in future, if the government makes any agreements,
08:02then it should go with the commitment of those agreements.
08:05I have a small issue in this regard.
08:08You must remember that the government had made a big commitment in terms of green energy.
08:15That we will promote green energy.
08:18We will go towards renewable energy.
08:20And they had also made a commitment that by 2030, we will bring 30% of the energy mix
08:24into renewable energy.
08:26But then the U-turn they took on net metering in terms of Sarfin,
08:31instead of buying it at Rs. 27, they brought it at Rs. 10.
08:34And there was a lot of fuss on that.
08:36There was an issue.
08:37And again, that trust defaced.
08:38But that also has an issue, right?
08:40No, no.
08:41Whatever the issue.
08:42No, no, Mr. Sati.
08:43Whatever the issue.
08:44My understanding is, I will put it in front of you, that the consumers we have,
08:48who are using net metering at the moment,
08:51they are about 36 lakh households.
08:54Out of the 36 lakh households, 88% are in rural areas.
08:5888%.
08:59Mr. Sati.
09:00Okay.
09:01Within them, you see that they are off the grid.
09:03That is, they make their own, use their own, do everything.
09:06At the moment, this major portion, that is, about 2,80,000 consumers remain
09:13on whom this net metering is having an impact.
09:16Rest, you think that there are countless such consumers
09:20on whom the burden of capacity charges shifts.
09:23No, see, the 2,80,000 consumers who have used net metering
09:29and are giving 4,124 megawatts to the national grid,
09:32what is their fault that they have invested?
09:35If you take out your capacity charges and your inefficiency,
09:39and the disadvantages of your inefficiencies on this,
09:42that it was their mistake, it was our mistake,
09:44that we used our money while accepting the government's policy in net metering,
09:49made an investment, private investment came,
09:51then there was a commitment.
09:52So this is not our fault.
09:53These can be handling issues.
09:54The government has to fix its other things.
09:58You cannot go back on a commitment that you have just given a policy.
10:01But in this, the way I understand is, correct me if I am wrong,
10:06that the larger class in this, on whom all these capacity payments,
10:12which were obviously agreements, their payment charges were going on them.
10:16So from here, taking the money in net metering,
10:18they are telling them that we have to provide relief.
10:20Satish sir, the thing is, you would not have made this policy.
10:24You should have thought about it.
10:26It is not possible that you are giving a policy today,
10:28and after 6 months, you u-turn on that policy,
10:30that it was a mistake, this is happening, this is falling out.
10:33This is not possible.
10:34I am saying this because, whatever policy you make, whatever decision you make,
10:38then you have to make a commitment on it.
10:40You have to think about it long term.
10:41If you make a commitment on it,
10:42what happens is, there is a trust deficit between the public and the government.
10:46They say, today they are saying this,
10:47I don't know what they will say tomorrow.
10:49And this happens with every government.
10:51I hope this government does not do this, going forward.
10:53Because, if you are talking about foreign investment,
10:57and you are doing such a big summit,
10:59and it is a good thing because Pakistan has a lot of reserves,
11:01which should be tapped.
11:03And this is the reason why the whole world is interested.
11:06Exactly.
11:07All the ministers have come, everyone is sitting, even the army chief is sitting.
11:10So I think going forward, make commitments.
11:12There were wrong contracts regarding IPPs.
11:15This is what happened.
11:17Now bear with it.
11:18Now bear with it.
11:19So don't make these mistakes going forward.
11:20Okay.
11:21I will take this from Mr. Shaukat and then come to you.
11:22Mr. Shaukat, it was a very important event.
11:24I would like to know your point of view on it.
11:26And then, Mr. Prime Minister did not go.
11:29Is there any special reason that you were recording a protest or could not reach?
11:34What happened?
11:36Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
11:37Thank you very much.
11:38Look, I don't know why Mr. Prime Minister did not go.
11:41But obviously, our Prime Minister Khazana went there.
11:46The real thing is that, look, this is not today's news.
11:50Today we are hearing the good news that we have so many reserves, so many minerals.
11:54And the PMLA has come to power for the fourth time, I think.
12:00Today they are realizing that our reserves, our minerals are number one in the world.
12:05And with this, we can also end our loans.
12:08The IMF too.
12:09This means that the last three doors they have passed have been very cruel to the nation.
12:14It has not worked.
12:15And when you will create political freedom in the country.
12:19But Mr. Shaukat, there is a narrative in it that, look, the technology is sold ahead with time.
12:26And then it may not have the capacity at that time.
12:28At that time, the technology is not available in the world to be assessed.
12:31I come to that.
12:32I think it would be unfair to criticize.
12:35No, no, look, I am not criticizing.
12:37I am telling the truth.
12:39It's a good thing.
12:40I am saying, I want investment to come.
12:42Pakistan needs investors.
12:44But the thing for which you are calling investors, I want to come to that.
12:49There will be political instability in the country.
12:52Terrorism will be rising.
12:54And the thing you are talking about, that the reserves of minerals are in two provinces.
13:01In Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
13:03What are you doing to establish peace and security there?
13:06This is the biggest question.
13:08Is there peace there?
13:09If there is no peace there, then what investment are you talking about?
13:12Here, our people are leaving their business and going out.
13:15And you say that people have come from outside.
13:17I am saying this, I pray to Allah that Allah will do this for us.
13:20May this materialism arise.
13:21Allah has really given us a lot.
13:23But if we just talk to each other and start selling this junk,
13:27that now we have become self-sufficient.
13:29Now we don't need anything, we don't need IMF.
13:32I am saying this, may Allah do this.
13:35I will pray to Allah that this happens.
13:38But do we have geologists?
13:40Those who were geologists, are they new geologists who were with us today?
13:44Now the new geologists who will come, they will tell us that this happened to you.
13:50We know all these things.
13:52This is not the issue of Recodec today.
13:54How long has the issue of Recodec been going on?
13:56Who was mishandled? Why did it happen?
13:58There are many things.
14:00But let me talk about one thing.
14:02You are saying that there are reserves in Balochistan and KP and there is uncertainty.
14:08But you know, I know that the incidents that were presented were very unfortunate.
14:12And it is being sorted.
14:14That is why a national security meeting was also held.
14:16And work is also going on on it.
14:18But you know, the eyes of the world are all on Pakistan.
14:21And they are observing everything.
14:23If they had this suspicion that there is uncertainty in Pakistan,
14:25then do you think that so many people who have come to Pakistan,
14:28are willing to invest here,
14:31would they have come?
14:33Look, I told you before that I am very happy that I am a Pakistani.
14:37I don't have to go abroad.
14:39I have to live in Pakistan.
14:41And if there is investment in my province,
14:43a very good investment comes,
14:45then I will be very happy.
14:47Because my Pakistanis will get employment.
14:51And this is the reality.
14:53If we focus on the matter,
14:55then we can become those who lend.
14:57We are not the ones who take.
14:59But unfortunately,
15:01these things are not happening.
15:03This issue has been coming up for a long time.
15:05And we say,
15:07but we are not coming to the real thing.
15:09How can we bring political stability?
15:13The retinopism in us,
15:15why do people come to invest,
15:17why do they run away?
15:19Have we finished that thing?
15:21Will there be one-to-one operation?
15:23I know a lot of people.
15:25I often travel abroad.
15:27I go to my party's functions.
15:29I go to Europe.
15:31So people say that we want to come.
15:33We want to invest.
15:35But the government is not cooperating.
15:37The government is bothering.
15:39We have to finish these things.
15:41Let's ask.
15:43Until this is not over,
15:45our country should come.
15:47I will answer Mr. Bilal.
15:49If we fix that,
15:51we will be happy.
15:53No one can object to our investment.
15:55God willing, our country will invest.
15:57But it is necessary to create an environment for it.
15:59Yes, I got your point.
16:01Mr. Bilal,
16:03Mr. Sharmila has shown her concerns.
16:05I have also said that
16:07will we be able to keep our interests at the top?
16:09We have to learn.
16:11If we have made a mistake in the past,
16:13we have to learn from it.
16:15The concerns he has shown
16:17about the ease of doing business,
16:19how would you like to address them?
16:21The proof is always in the pudding.
16:23Mr. Sharmila,
16:25instead of making claims,
16:27we want to show you
16:29and we are doing it.
16:31Whether it is the lack of electricity,
16:33the lack of electricity
16:35which was announced by the Prime Minister last week.
16:37We told you to take care of the economy,
16:39to control inflation.
16:41We have shown these things.
16:43Let me give you an example.
16:45When we came to power,
16:47the price of petrol was less than today.
16:49When we came to power,
16:51the price of petrol was less than today.
16:53No, no.
16:55Since February 2024,
16:57I am comparing.
16:59Today, the price of electricity is less than when we came.
17:01Today, the price of petrol is less than when we came.
17:03Since June 2024,
17:05till now,
17:07there was a decrease in electricity prices.
17:09Now, there is an announcement of an additional decrease
17:11which is Rs 7.41.
17:13This will benefit every consumer.
17:15100 units, 200 units,
17:17400 units,
17:19apart from Billu Sarifeen,
17:21Zarae Sarifeen, Industrial Sarifeen,
17:23Commercial Sarifeen,
17:25everyone from Rs 6.25 to Rs 8.50.
17:27Everyone will benefit from it.
17:29You will see its effect in Billu next month.
17:31But there is one more thing in it.
17:33But there is one more thing in it.
17:35We talk about the trickle-down effect.
17:37When the price of petrol is high,
17:39the price of goods increases.
17:41When the price of petrol is low,
17:43nothing decreases.
17:45For example,
17:47when the price of petrol is high,
17:49the price of goods does not decrease.
17:51This is a mechanism.
17:53Apart from this,
17:55there are many other factors.
17:57We have reduced these things.
17:59The Prime Minister has said
18:01that he is trying to bring more
18:03efficiencies in electricity prices.
18:05Whether it is through a circular debt address
18:07or by renegotiating more IPP contracts,
18:09the work is going on.
18:11The second thing is that
18:13the momentum of this economic journey
18:15is increasing.
18:17We are not just claiming this.
18:19The international institutions
18:21and businesses are also agreeing.
18:23If the policy rate goes from 22% to 12%,
18:25and when the price of electricity
18:27decreases by Rs 8.50 for the industry
18:29or for any commercial concern,
18:31then they will benefit
18:33in lakhs or crores.
18:35This will help the economy.
18:37There will be more jobs.
18:39The second thing that Mr. Sharmila said,
18:41I just want to address that.
18:43There has not been a cabinet decision
18:45on net metering.
18:47There has not been a policy change.
18:49The policy change that is under discussion
18:51and is still live,
18:53has not been decided.
18:55As a result,
18:57no existing customer
18:59will be affected.
19:01The person who has invested
19:03in the past year,
19:05two, three, four years,
19:07there will be no change in his net.
19:09This is only for new investors.
19:11No, no, no.
19:13They don't have the courage.
19:15Even today, you get money
19:17within a year or so.
19:19The payback period will be three years
19:21or three and a half years,
19:23but you will still benefit.
19:25The government's policy on solar
19:27has worked for many years.
19:29I was saying the same thing
19:31in front of Mr. Sharmila.
19:33There will be a decision on this.
19:35We have already promoted solar.
19:37That is why there is so much improvement.
19:39People have invested in off-grid.
19:41Whether it is a business or a village.
19:43For on-grid, even today,
19:45even if there is a policy change,
19:47it will still be attractive.
19:49They will get a return within three and a half years.
19:51The point is that
19:53there has not been a final decision yet.
19:55Even if there is a policy change,
19:57of any kind,
19:59it will affect prospective
20:01or future investors.
20:03There are many factors.
20:05Mr. Sharmila also said
20:07that there should be a long-term policy.
20:09For example,
20:11it was said earlier
20:13that we do not have electricity.
20:15It was said earlier.
20:17Then when electricity came,
20:19it was found that
20:21our transmission system
20:23did not have the capacity
20:25to deliver that much electricity.
20:27Then it was said that
20:29solar will come.
20:31The plan was complete,
20:33but when there is no continuation
20:35we ended the load shedding.
20:37It was based on a trajectory.
20:39The next phase was that
20:41you had to invest in transmission
20:43and your economy had to grow
20:45at a certain percentage,
20:47which the World Bank IMF
20:49was saying before our government left in 2018.
20:51If you had stayed on that trajectory,
20:53then your transmission system
20:55would have been correct
20:57and your demand would have responded
20:59to that generation.
21:01We are correcting these things
21:03and God willing,
21:05we will continue to improve.
21:07If you look at solar,
21:09a policy has been successful for many years,
21:11but policies are also revisited.
21:13Policies are not set in stone.
21:15Whether there are laws or policies,
21:17whenever there is room for improvement,
21:19you look at it.
21:21I know you have given me a chance
21:23to talk about Mr. Shaukat.
21:25He is often on shows with him.
21:27The PDI has given an excuse
21:29not to come again today.
21:31Whether it is a security briefing
21:33or an important economic opportunity,
21:35there is an excuse
21:37not to come to him.
21:39I was surprised
21:41because Ali Ameen Gandapur
21:43was there at the National Security Meeting.
21:45No, but you saw Ali Ameen Gandapur
21:47there and the PTI said
21:49that they have boycotted him.
21:51So, every time,
21:53he would go to him
21:55for a negotiation.
21:57If you behave like this,
21:59if you call yourself a mainstream community,
22:01you should think beyond your
22:03identity, politics and freedoms.
22:05If you are a terrorist,
22:07you should play a constructive role.
22:09There are many other things.
22:11Would you like to comment
22:13on his absence?
22:15I think there are many issues
22:17in his community
22:19that we hear about
22:21every day.
22:23A group is launched first,
22:25then Mr. Khan gets mistrust.
22:27Then some other people
22:29are launched.
22:31We don't know who decides
22:33in the community.
22:35There are statements against each other.
22:37There is a lot going on
22:39in their community.
22:41They do not know what they want to do.
22:43The leaders are in jail.
22:45No, no, our leaders were also in jail.
22:47Our leaders were martyred.
22:49I don't know what we did.
22:51But as far as
22:53the peace of Pakistan
22:55is concerned,
22:57we did not back down.
22:59Bibi Sahiba was martyred.
23:01President Zardari raised the slogan
23:03of Pakistan Khappe and took everyone
23:05to the elections.
23:07You should not harm
23:09someone or the country
23:11because of your personal loss.
23:13We have never raised the slogan
23:15of Pakistan without Mr. Khan.
23:17Prisoner number 804 in everything.
23:19There are more issues in life.
23:21There are big problems in Pakistan.
23:23There is a large number
23:25in your assembly.
23:27There is a big role of the opposition
23:29to show the mirror to the government.
23:31Where the government makes a mistake,
23:33the opposition stands there.
23:35Yesterday, when we were standing
23:37and talking on the canals,
23:39they were making noise.
23:41When we go out,
23:43they say that we will not close the canal.
23:45But when it came to talking
23:47in the National Assembly,
23:49they ran away.
23:51This is not how you do politics.
23:53If politics is for your personal interest,
23:55then don't call it politics.
23:57Politics is a service.
23:59But they think that politics
24:01is their home.
24:03They will use it for their own benefit.
24:05Unfortunately,
24:07they are harming themselves.
24:09They have disappointed
24:11the people who had high expectations.
24:13They should think about
24:15what they want to do in the future.
24:17If we meet Mr. Khan in the National Security meeting,
24:19we will leave them on parole.
24:21These are unreasonable demands.
24:23Okay.
24:25Mr. Shaukat,
24:27it is time to take a break.
24:29We will be back after the break.
24:33We are back after the break.
24:35Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai,
24:37you yourself are concerned
24:39about the party.
24:41You know that the situation is not good.
24:43There are many allegations
24:45against each other.
24:47Mr. Shaukat is talking about something else.
24:49He is accusing Mr. Atif Khan.
24:51There is a lot of
24:53confusion.
24:55Are these things not serving the party well?
24:57No, I think
24:59there is a lot of disagreement
25:01in big parties.
25:03But there is no public
25:05communication.
25:07Yes,
25:09the main leadership
25:11of the party
25:13has controlled it.
25:15Who is the
25:17main leadership?
25:19I am talking about
25:21Mr. Gauhar.
25:23He has met the CM.
25:25He has also contacted
25:27the other leaders.
25:29He has stopped everyone.
25:31In the beginning,
25:33there was no attention given to it.
25:35There were small disagreements.
25:37As far as
25:39justice is concerned,
25:41if you say that we will
25:43bring investment,
25:45we will run the country,
25:47whether you agree or not,
25:49there will be problems.
25:51Are you not providing
25:53an opportunity to the PTA?
25:55No, I am sorry.
25:57I think that the hand
25:59that has been raised
26:01towards this party
26:03in the last few years
26:05and the number of times
26:07they have rejected it,
26:09I think that
26:11they have spent
26:13their entire lives
26:15in opposition.
26:17They used to have
26:19different media coverage.
26:21They were not used to it.
26:23That is why Mr. Khan
26:25was in search of them.
26:27Look at the statement
26:29of Mr. Azam Swati.
26:31Basically,
26:33Mr. Khan tried
26:35to open the door
26:37but it did not open.
26:39Despite being in such an environment,
26:41we repeatedly told them
26:43that we do not want
26:45to talk to them,
26:47we want to talk to the establishment.
26:49When we came to the negotiating table
26:51with them, who stood up?
26:53They stood up.
26:55If you think that when you
26:57terrorize, attack,
26:59attack the soldiers,
27:01or run negative propaganda,
27:03you will have to face
27:05the consequences of
27:07your actions.
27:09Yes, you are a mainstream
27:11community in the opposition.
27:13You should play your constructive role.
27:15We welcome that.
27:17You have a government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
27:19You should play your role there.
27:21We welcome that.
27:23But these two roles are not being played.
27:25In the assembly,
27:27the question hour,
27:29where the opposition usually
27:31runs the questions and answers,
27:33today they are running the treasury side.
27:35What governance story
27:37does the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
27:39have with you?
27:41What is their agenda
27:43apart from terrorizing Islamabad?
27:45What law and order meetings
27:47do you see in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
27:49When you meet Mr. Khan in Adiala Jail,
27:51what does he tell you?
27:53Today Mr. Khan asked me
27:55how the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
27:57is doing, what are you doing
27:59for health and education,
28:01what are you doing for the youth?
28:03I don't understand.
28:05When Mr. Bilawal
28:07said that he is ready
28:09to sit with them again,
28:11that we can talk about national security again,
28:13the APC has also been referred.
28:15He himself was saying that
28:17we have to do the APC.
28:19What was the response to that?
28:21Where did that matter go?
28:23The politics of the People's Party,
28:25we believe in consensus politics.
28:27Our effort is to bring
28:29all the democratic parties
28:31and politicians together.
28:33We involve everybody.
28:35We work with consensus.
28:37Wherever we feel that
28:39we can play an important role,
28:41we offer it.
28:43We said before the election
28:45that we will talk to
28:47the party that wants to talk to us.
28:49PTI decided not to talk to anyone,
28:51including us.
28:53PM Allan talked to them.
28:55Even now,
28:57the overall security situation
28:59is very worrisome.
29:01We are sitting here in the capital.
29:03But the situation in Balochistan
29:05is very worrisome.
29:07Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has its own serious issues.
29:09They need to be resolved.
29:11All these things that are happening,
29:13for their success, it is necessary
29:15that there is stability.
29:17Pragmatic politics cannot run in this.
29:19There has to be.
29:21Polarization is fine in some places.
29:23There are different parties.
29:25There is political thinking.
29:27When it comes to politics,
29:29it is necessary to be on the same page.
29:31Then forget the caliphate.
29:33The problem with them is that
29:35they think that
29:37this is everything.
29:39This is nothing.
29:41They think that by blackmailing,
29:43they can
29:45bring down the state
29:47on their ambitions
29:49and desires.
29:51You can't fight the state.
29:53The state has a lot of power.
29:55You can do anything.
29:57You can't fight the state.
29:59You should not fight the state.
30:01If you want to live in the country,
30:03you have to make everyone.
30:05You have to take everyone with you.
30:07This is not their way of politics.
30:09When they were in the government,
30:11they always ruled like this.
30:13Mr. Shaukat,
30:15I would like you to
30:17make some comments on this.
30:19One thing is that
30:21the current allies,
30:23those with whom you want to
30:25launch a movement against the government,
30:27are not in agreement with you.
30:29Shahid Khakhan Abbasi's stance
30:31will be in front of you.
30:33Then there were those
30:35behind-the-scenes meetings
30:37on which the JUI was not trusted.
30:39Mr. Kamran Murtaza had also
30:41expressed his concerns on that.
30:43Then he wants you to do
30:45everything in writing.
30:47Shah Mehmood Qureshi has
30:49said that those in jail
30:51should be treated with
30:53mutual understanding.
30:55Those in jail
30:57are jealous of each other.
30:59These voices are coming
31:01from within you.
31:03There are issues in the party.
31:05God willing, we will see.
31:07His forum is also there.
31:09In the future,
31:11everyone will talk on the forum.
31:13As far as winning is concerned,
31:15Imran Khan has made a committee.
31:17Which committee has the government
31:19made? What has he done with it?
31:21How much has he made fun of it?
31:23Secondly, my brother said that
31:25these are not democratic people.
31:27Who are you to decide
31:29that we are not democratic?
31:31In all this,
31:33you say that why are we not being
31:35talked to? We should be talked to.
31:37Obviously, you are one of the
31:39sane voices in your party.
31:41But your social media
31:43has a different twist
31:45and statements.
31:47We don't even know where
31:49they are coming from.
31:51There is a media
31:53that is giving news to earn dollars.
31:55I will never support them.
31:57And I will request the party
31:59to
32:01properly
32:03denotify them.
32:05That is why I am saying
32:07that Imran Khan has made
32:09a committee.
32:11There is still no initiative
32:13to make fun of them.
32:15This is not democracy.
32:17This is anti-democracy.
32:19Can your people
32:21come closer to these things?
32:23The distance is getting wider.
32:25I got your point, sir.
32:27There is one more issue.
32:29If you want to respond to it,
32:31you can do it briefly.
32:33The second issue is the People's Party.
32:35The issue of canals is very serious.
32:37They wanted to present a resolution
32:39but it was not possible.
32:41What is being thought about this issue?
32:43There are protests.
32:45There are tensions.
32:47As far as water is concerned,
32:49there is a record of drought.
32:51Our dams are empty.
32:53This is a big concern
32:55that needs to be dealt with
32:57sensibly.
32:59I will address this first.
33:01Then I will talk about the second issue.
33:03Deputy Prime Minister Sardar
33:05addressed this issue
33:07comprehensively and
33:09in a clear manner.
33:11This is what we have been saying
33:13in the last few days.
33:15Whatever the outcome of this issue
33:17will be with consensus.
33:19Nothing will be bulldozed
33:21by sitting with the People's Party.
33:23Whether it is on a technical level
33:25or on the availability of water.
33:27But as of now,
33:29have you conveyed this issue
33:31to the People's Party
33:33that we have stopped working on this issue?
33:35No. Bilawal sir himself
33:37referred to ACNIC's approval
33:39and said that
33:41we will sit together
33:43and decide on this issue.
33:45We will move forward
33:47with consensus.
33:49We have an alliance
33:51with the People's Party,
33:53which is now in the government
33:55of the PDM.
33:57We have other issues
33:59and working relationships.
34:01We will address other issues.
34:03Whatever the outcome of this issue
34:05will be with them.
34:07I would like to make a fact correction
34:09regarding the negotiations.
34:11There were four sessions.
34:13In the first session,
34:15he said that we need time
34:17to prepare.
34:19In the second session,
34:21he said that we need
34:23more time to prepare.
34:25This was in December or January.
34:27In the second session,
34:29he said that we need
34:31more time to prepare.
34:33In the third session,
34:35he said that we will
34:37give our point of view
34:39in the next session.
34:41In the next session,
34:43there was a government
34:45and a treasury side.
34:47In the second session,
34:49he said that we need
34:51more time to prepare.
34:53In the third session,
34:55he said that we need
34:57more time to prepare.
34:59In the fourth session,
35:01he said that we need
35:03more time to prepare.
35:05In the third session,
35:07he said that we need
35:09more time to prepare.
35:11In the forth session,
35:13he said that we need
35:15more time to prepare.
35:27In my opinion,
35:29this is an unnatural alliance.
35:31JUIF's fundamental objection is that their seats have been snatched and the beneficiary of that is PTI.
35:41If JUIF's seats have been snatched in KP, then in my opinion, their protest is not in Islamabad, but in Peshawar.
35:49Apart from that as well, whoever thinks that with PTI, with political understanding and agreement,
35:56then I wish them all the best of luck.
35:58As of now, in the history of Pakistan, they have neither shown the ability to run a political movement,
36:03nor have they shown the ability to conduct a serious political protest.
36:06Sharmila, you are saying that you are waiting for approval from ACNIC.
36:11Mr. Bilawal has spoken on this.
36:13Do you think that the current government is so serious on this matter that your reservations are being considered?
36:20Look, Mr. Satti, to be very honest, yesterday, Mr. Isardar could not satisfy us on this issue.
36:25He could not?
36:26No. What we were expecting is that either the Prime Minister himself would be present there.
36:30This is such a big issue.
36:32The whole of Sindh is in a state of turmoil.
36:34There is an issue in Balochistan.
36:36And on this, the Prime Minister of Sindh has repeatedly written letters.
36:41Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said that he has just requested the Prime Minister on 4th April
36:46to approve the case in Khulayam Larkana Jalsa.
36:49The President has said in his speech that as President of Pakistan,
36:55I cannot endorse this project or make unilateral decisions.
37:00Now, when we are talking at this level, then we should talk at that level.
37:05First, Mr. Atta Tarar came and spoke.
37:08Then Mr. Isardar came.
37:10But that is not sufficient.
37:12I don't understand one thing.
37:13I just need an answer to one thing.
37:16We say that this case should be taken to the Council of Common Interest.
37:20Which is a legal institution.
37:22If there is a controversial project, if the province objects,
37:25there is a discussion about it.
37:26And every three months, there should be a meeting.
37:28And every three months, there should be a meeting under the law.
37:31Today, 14 months have passed.
37:32Why is the meeting not being called?
37:34What is the compulsion?
37:35What should have been done yesterday was,
37:37let's say Mr. Isardar comes and announces that next week,
37:40there will be a council meeting on this date.
37:42We will take this case there.
37:43We say that we will sit with you.
37:45We should sit on the forum where this case should be discussed.
37:48Although, we are sitting together in the Assembly.
37:50But the thing is,
37:51and then the non-serious statements that come from different people.
37:56Mr. Bilal had a very serious discussion on this matter.
37:59And it was very appropriate.
38:00But the rest of the people who do it,
38:02it is a very inappropriate discussion.
38:03But Sharmila, what I fail to understand is that
38:05we have so many technical experts present.
38:07Obviously, the telemetry system is not the way it should be.
38:10But there is some basic clarity.
38:12If you want to steal water, it gets spoiled.
38:14And we are not sitting there on the ground,
38:16to see when the water is being stolen and when it is not.
38:18And it happens.
38:19Every year, I am a witness.
38:21I have lived in the Assembly.
38:23I know.
38:24Every year we cry that we should close Chashma Jheram Link Canal.
38:27Because they take the water from there.
38:29The thing is that if your experts are saying,
38:31your PMD is saying that there is no water in the country.
38:33We are going towards a three-day drought.
38:35Punjab is also going.
38:36If there is no water to fill our stomach after Punjab,
38:39then how will someone else's stomach be filled?
38:41How will it be filled?
38:42You know what I mean?
38:43The thing is that they say that a drop of their water will not go.
38:46You have a glass.
38:47Mr. Shaukat, I am coming to you.
38:49You will first fill your stomach with this water,
38:52or give it to someone else who is thirsty.
38:54And if you want to share it with someone else who is thirsty,
38:57then you will steal water from somewhere else.
38:59Then I will take your glass from Kiani.
39:01And my glass is empty.
39:02Because I don't have water anyway.
39:04I am already going towards a three-day drought.
39:07The second thing is that the water experts of the World Bank are saying
39:11that there is no water.
39:13The experts here are saying,
39:14at least sit down.
39:16There are a lot of things in it.
39:18No doubt, you can purify the desert.
39:21But if you have sufficient water, then do it.
39:25There are a lot of things in it.
39:26There is water resource management.
39:28Then there is the input of the local communities.
39:30Along with that, the demographies that have changed there,
39:34the scarcity of water,
39:36improving its water management,
39:37there are a lot of things that should be considered.
39:39Mr. Shaukat, you wanted to say something.
39:41Sir, please.
39:42I want to say that along with the CCI,
39:45there should also be an NFC.
39:47A decision should be made.
39:48Because the NFC has also expired.
39:51And because of which,
39:53the 54-55 lakh people who have been handed over to the government,
39:58their rights are being taken away.
40:00So just look at one thing.
40:02The situation of water is such that this time in Pindi,
40:05which is near Islamabad,
40:07it is said that the crop of wheat has decreased there
40:10because there is no water.
40:11So this is the situation of water.
40:13Now tell me,
40:14what can be the reason for building a canal at this time?
40:17Isn't this a matter of dividing the country?
40:20Isn't it a matter of fighting against each other?
40:23Then I think the People's Party is doing a little politics with the people of Sindh.
40:27This is a matter of deception.
40:29Because you are talking that we are not getting water.
40:31Who is not giving water?
40:33The people of Sindh are doing this.
40:35Then sit with them.
40:37Maybe that's why the MKM has also disagreed with them.
40:42So look, stand on one side.
40:44If you have to talk about Sindh,
40:46and you have to solve the issue of water,
40:50then you sit with the people with whom you have grievances.
40:53They have made them powerful.
40:54They have made the democracy powerful.
40:57So who is doing this atrocity with Pakistan?
41:03Then we will raise our finger towards the People's Party.
41:06If the People's Party pulls its rope today,
41:10then where will it be?
41:11Then where will their threat be?
41:13They say with great pride and pride that
41:16what can the PTI do?
41:18This is nothing.
41:19They are fighting among themselves.
41:20Why are these things happening?
41:22Because they have the power of the state.
41:24So we believe in the power of the state.
41:26If you give me power,
41:27then tomorrow I will also have power.
41:29No one can compete with the state.
41:31Okay, we believe.
41:32So do you want to fight the state with the people?
41:35What kind of policy is this?
41:37Let me share your concern.
41:39Mr. Sharmina, he is saying that you are not serious about this matter.
41:44You are playing a game with the people.
41:46If you want, you can give them a tough time.
41:49I don't understand when they are serious about any matter.
41:54When do they show seriousness?
41:56In their own province,
41:58the roads of Khurram Agency have been closed for 150 days.
42:02Children were martyred because they could not get medicines.
42:06Literally.
42:07People died.
42:08There was no food supply.
42:09But they did not say a word.
42:11They have not tried anything.
42:13We kept saying in the assembly that
42:15there was a humanitarian crisis in Khurram.
42:18But did they even bother about it?
42:20Why would they be serious about it?
42:22When children are martyred in Ghaza,
42:24we cry for them.
42:25In our province,
42:26children are martyred because the roads are closed.
42:29Medicines and food are not available.
42:32Life has come to a standstill.
42:35People are dying there.
42:37And they are least bothered.
42:39What kind of seriousness are they talking about?
42:41They are not serious about anything.
42:42What will be the next step in this matter?
42:44If there is no CCI meeting,
42:46and if there is no further deliberation on this matter?
42:48Mr. Satish, the ball is in the court of the government.
42:50To what extent will they go?
42:52They have to decide.
42:54If this matter has to be amicably diffused
42:57and resolved,
42:58they will have to call for a CCI meeting.
43:00They will have to abrogate this plan.
43:02If they think that they will run it this way,
43:05then it is their misconception.
43:07It can be abrogated,
43:08or for the time being,
43:09it can be halted.
43:10Until you reassess it.
43:12Listen to my request.
43:13The ACNA has not been approved yet.
43:15But what is the problem in calling for a CCI meeting?
43:17The CCI meeting will also be held.
43:19First, the ACNA has to be approved.
43:21The ACNA approval is the main approval of this project.
43:23The CCI meeting is also a forum on water issues.
43:27It is possible.
43:28But the basic thing is,
43:29as Mr. Dar said yesterday,
43:31we will sit with the People's Party in the coming days.
43:34CCI is a formal forum
43:35where a final decision can be stamped.
43:38But the basic thing is,
43:39if a law says that the CCI meeting
43:41has to be held every three months,
43:43then why don't you say that it is not a problem?
43:45It is okay.
43:46The CCI meeting can be held.
43:47It can be held.
43:48I don't think it is a problem.
43:49I am saying,
43:50this issue is not a problem or a main issue.
43:53The main issue is
43:54what is practically going to happen.
43:55We have said that we will do it.
43:56We will invite the People's Party.
43:58We will sit with them in the coming days.
43:59We will invite them.
44:00At their senior level,
44:01whatever their leadership team decides,
44:03they will sit with our team.
44:04If there is a technical level of discussion,
44:06if there is a political level of discussion,
44:08we will make every effort to reach a consensus.
44:12And whatever decision will be made on this,
44:14it will be with consensus.
44:15And yesterday, Mr. Dar said very clearly
44:17that whatever decision will be made,
44:19in any outcome,
44:20the share of Sindh,
44:21the water share,
44:22which is our fixed share,
44:23the shares of Sumo,
44:24not a single drop of water will be less.
44:26But in any case,
44:27the fundamental thing is that
44:29whatever decision will be made,
44:31it will be with consensus.
44:33Thank you so much,
44:34Mr. Bilal Hazar Kain,
44:35Ms. Sharmila Farooqui
44:36and Mr. Shaukat Yusuf Zahid.
44:37Thank you very much.
44:38Let's take a break here.
44:39After the break,
44:40we will conclude the program.
44:45After the break,
44:46we will conclude the program.
44:48The Zahirak Investment Forum has started
44:50and a large number of people have reached there.
44:52This is very good news.
44:53Zahirak's country can progress in the same way
44:55that along with portfolio investments,
44:57this direct investment should come to Pakistan
44:59and the trust of investors should be there.
45:01And the facilities that are not available here,
45:03they can come from there and benefit us.
45:05And Pakistan should keep its own interests in it.
45:07The second matter is about canals.
45:09Obviously, a CCI meeting should be held on it.
45:11This is a very good news.
45:12The second matter is about canals.
45:14Obviously, a CCI meeting should be held on it.
45:16This is such a forum
45:17on which you can sit and discuss
45:19and you can reassess all the issues
45:21that in the present time,
45:22the availability of water,
45:24the resources of water,
45:25how they can be made better
45:27and how this issue can be solved
45:29with understanding and understanding.
45:32That's all from the program.
45:33I will take your leave now.
45:35May Allah protect you.