The Jeremy Kyle Show 1st December 2017
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00:30Why is her ex-boyfriend in the house when you're having sex?
00:44I told you it's over.
00:46We asked Lee, did you have sexual intercourse for Chloe while she was in a relationship with Adam? You said no. Why'd you say no?
00:53I'm true.
00:54Do you think I'm going to sit here, yeah, and you're going to get... I mean, it's not going to happen. I've come here, yeah, I've come here and I've said I've clearly got a problem.
01:04You're on my own, you're going to admit what you've done. Why would a five-year-old say what it did? Come on.
01:10Clearly, yeah, but somebody's clearly putting something in a ring.
01:24APPLAUSE
01:34Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show. Right, my first guest today, Barbara, is here because she wants to tell 74-year-old Malcolm, her mum's partner, this is brilliant,
01:42stop cheating, you dirty old man, and using my mum for money.
01:46She actually believes that whilst mum Greta was stuck in hospital for six months, Malcolm was bringing random women into the house.
01:52She says, I'm sick to death of the way he treats my mother, and I want to tell him once and for all, he's a con man.
01:57Barbara's on the chair of me, Carl's head out.
01:59APPLAUSE
02:10Are you the daughter?
02:11I am.
02:12That's the oldest part we've ever done.
02:13Is it?
02:14You're the daughter?
02:15Yeah.
02:16You're quite old as well, aren't you?
02:17I'm nearly 70.
02:18You look great, though.
02:19Thank you, Jeremy.
02:20Thanks for...
02:21This is brilliant.
02:22This has never happened in the history of the Jeremy Kyle Show.
02:23She said to my team, he's such an honourable man, I've had to write down everything so I don't forget.
02:29Well, you've got to be clear, haven't you, when you come.
02:33So...
02:34Oh, I love you.
02:35Do you bake?
02:36I do, yeah.
02:37Do you?
02:38Will you bake me a cake?
02:39Yes, a nice cake too.
02:40What sort of cake would you bake me?
02:41Cancakes, Leatherman Drizzle.
02:43And Malcolm and your mother?
02:45I mean, she, Greta, bless her, is how old?
02:4885.
02:49Your mother and Malcolm have been together how long?
02:51About 27 years, I would say.
02:55I mean, they are quite possibly the oldest people ever to come on the Jeremy Kyle Show,
02:58but you are genuinely concerned that whilst your mother had an accident some months ago, is that right?
03:02Yes, she did.
03:03Last January, 15th of January, she had a really bad accident where she was cut out of a car and the accident, it severed right through her spine.
03:12And surgery was going to be over 10 hours and then if they left her it would be months.
03:17And because she's got the problem with the lungs and heart, it would mean that she wouldn't be able to recover.
03:22And so what they said was they had to go for the operation and then she would have to be turned over and she wouldn't be able to breathe.
03:28So my mum just turned around and she says, well, the thing is, she says, I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't.
03:35So what do we do?
03:37Right.
03:38So that's it.
03:39I'm very sorry to hear about the accident, but the truth is, Malcolm, is he married to your mother?
03:43No.
03:45Whilst she was in hospital on her back, the accusation from you is that he was in the house with quite a few women on their backs.
03:51No, mum's accusation.
03:53Your mother's accusation?
03:54Yes, not mine.
03:55I love this.
03:56Come on, you've got to speak up now because I can't hear you.
03:58Yeah.
03:59Well, mum believes that Malcolm's had a young woman.
04:02She keeps finding things in the house and when she came out of hospital, she said...
04:07Changed the curtains, had he?
04:09Well, no, no, no.
04:10This, this is a kimono...
04:15That was in a little red bag.
04:16Sorry, hold on a minute.
04:17That's a kimono?
04:19And it was in a little red bag behind mum's settee.
04:25LAUGHTER
04:28Well, this isn't your mother's, is it?
04:31No, this was in a red bag behind the settee.
04:33And there were knickers.
04:34Oh, knickers in the wardrobe.
04:36Knickers in the wardrobe.
04:37Oh!
04:38Size 16 to 18 and mum's a size 10.
04:43What?
04:44I love you, you're so matter-of-fact.
04:46There were 16 to 18-inch knickers in...
04:48Draw a mother's size 10.
04:50LAUGHTER
04:51So, so she started to get suspicious and, let's talk seriously, because you're one of those people that, you know, says an awful lot backstage and then comes out here and I know you've got cameras and lights, but you have said to us, he's using my mum for money.
05:01Well, that's what mum believes.
05:03That's why mum...
05:04What do you believe?
05:05Well, the thing is, if he didn't go on about mum's money all the time...
05:09Does he spend her money?
05:10..and what she might get from the accident, when he has been spending her money, he's had it for a long time, her money, and mum had no confirmation in the home of any letters.
05:22She has no letters in her home.
05:23Are you close to your mother?
05:24Well, yes, I mean, mum and I have always been quite close.
05:28Cos he says you've only turned back up on the scene and been interested in her since she got the compensation cos you're after him.
05:33She hasn't got no compensation.
05:34Well, I'm just telling you what he said.
05:35Yeah.
05:36You reckon he's a cheat?
05:37Well, I think that he's not fair to mum, and he's not really caring enough for mum.
05:42And what's happened is, through what's happened to her, she needs a little bit of care just to get her on her feet.
05:47We're getting her there, but she'd have got on a lot quicker if he'd have done what he should for her.
05:51Why did you come on the Jeremy Carr show?
05:54Well...
05:55Well, this is the first time ever.
05:57What?
05:58Well, she told her all this bloody lies for.
06:00Well, the thing is, at the end of the day, Malcolm...
06:02She thinks you're a dirty, cheating, money-grabbing...
06:04I've never come in a bloody place for the last six months when she's had an accident cos she thinks she's getting some compensation.
06:08Malcolm, I've never just appeared on the scene, I've always been there for...
06:11Why, is that why you went to live with us for 15 bloody years?
06:14We were.
06:15Then you come back here and...
06:16Malcolm, why are you on fire with my mother?
06:19I went and looked after my father for two days.
06:22Oh, I am, yeah.
06:23Have you been sleeping with other women in the house?
06:25I haven't said nobody, that's why I wanted to...
06:27Where are the big knickers come from then?
06:29Last Sunday...
06:30What's the matter, you can step over?
06:32Oh.
06:33Last Sunday, I went to Cleathor.
06:36What?
06:37I went to go with clothes, I took my wardrobe, I went to Cleathor last Saturday, sorry.
06:41You went to get your clothes from Cleathor?
06:43No, I went to Cleathor somewhere, but I come back on the Sunday...
06:45You work?
06:46Yeah.
06:47You're 74.
06:48So are.
06:49Most people on this show are 24 and they've never done well working.
06:52Give me a round of applause.
06:53It'd be marvellous.
06:55Yeah.
06:56I come back on the Sunday...
06:58Well then, till Friday night, she comes in and throws her knickers in me face.
07:02Who threw the knickers in...
07:03My mother?
07:04Me mother.
07:05Your mother threw knickers in his face?
07:06Yeah.
07:07Yeah.
07:08You're very prim and proper, but I think this masks the truth.
07:10I counted on and I went and...
07:11Whose knickers are they?
07:13Well, I think it might be hers, they won't.
07:15They won't.
07:16Hers?
07:17Why are they your knickers?
07:18They're too big for Greta, and they're more or less that size.
07:21What do you mean they're her size?
07:23Yeah.
07:24Are they your knickers?
07:25He says they're big enough for you.
07:26No, I don't know who they are.
07:27Why don't you sit there and fall down?
07:29Give him a round of applause.
07:30So you don't really know what these accusations are about.
07:38You see, you're very nice, but you haven't really told us the story.
07:41Kimonos?
07:42Knickers?
07:43You're using her mother for money!
07:45What money?
07:46What are you talking about?
07:47Well, Mum, all Mum does is go on about that you keep saying to her about money,
07:52that you want to take control over...
07:54He says, to cut to the chase, you haven't been around,
07:57you're only giving her attention now because of the compensation.
08:00He says you're the one that's no good and you're blaming on him, don't you?
08:04Yeah.
08:05Well, say it then, ****!
08:06Tell me, Anna.
08:08Listen.
08:09How long have you been with Greta?
08:1027 years.
08:11Why aren't you married?
08:12I keep asking that.
08:13You know, just before her last Christmas...
08:15Oh, do you love her?
08:16...just before her last Christmas she said she'd marry me.
08:18Did she?
08:19And then all this happened and then...
08:21Yeah.
08:22Oh, there's Greta.
08:23I love her to bits.
08:24I'd die for Greta, yeah.
08:25Would you?
08:26She's a diabetic.
08:27She goes for her diabetic review and everything.
08:30Why are you saying fool like that?
08:32You haven't said anything, love.
08:33You're accusing him of basically cheating and stealing money.
08:36I haven't.
08:37And you haven't said anything since he came out.
08:39I can't do it myself.
08:40No.
08:41I never accuse him of anything.
08:42Oh, there we go.
08:43So this is...
08:44Do you know, mate?
08:45The thing is, I look after my mum and care about my mum's health.
08:48So this is your mother saying it to you?
08:49My mum says to me that's what she's concerned.
08:51Right, where is your mother?
08:52She's just...
08:53So you two...
08:54Oh, bless her.
08:55She's 85.
08:56Right, Terry, open that door for me.
08:58There's a good lad.
09:00Greta, how are you?
09:02Knackered.
09:03Knackered?
09:04Yeah.
09:05Oh.
09:06Is that all right?
09:07I'm very knackered.
09:08The daughter doesn't seem to make any accusations now.
09:11She says that you believe he's been cheating on you, do you?
09:14Yeah, I do.
09:15I know he has.
09:16Do you?
09:17Yeah, I do.
09:18This girl has been in my house and she's been bapping her baby in my bathroom.
09:22And she's been getting in the bathroom.
09:24And they've been upstairs in my bed because the baby's had a toffee lollipop in the bed.
09:29And it's been stuck all over...
09:30Toffee lollipop all over the sheets?
09:32Yeah.
09:33I've ever had that one.
09:34I'll tell you what, am I right to push you, love?
09:35Yeah, of course, yeah.
09:36Come on, then.
09:37Let's go fast.
09:38Come on, let's go.
09:39Get out of the way.
09:40Get out of the way.
09:41Get out of the way.
09:42He says he loves you.
09:43You're telling us he's a cheat.
09:44He is.
09:45I'm not a cheetle.
09:46He is.
09:47This young one's been coming to my house.
09:49And she's been...
09:50There's nobody.
09:51...stopping overnight.
09:52No, me?
09:53I haven't been in the house.
09:54I've let nobody in that house.
09:55Treat that girl a minute.
09:56Let me have a go.
09:57Go on, Lenny.
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10:33...
10:41There we go.
10:43Oh, there we go.
10:44There we go.
10:45That's that big kimono.
10:46That's not yours.
10:47No, it won't fit me, Matt.
10:48No.
10:49She says this is all from you.
10:51What's going on?
10:52He says he loves you.
10:53You're telling us he's a cheat.
10:54He is.
10:55I'm not a cheetle.
10:56He is.
10:57It's your bloody...
10:58Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
11:00He's here and your f***** has done all this s**t.
11:02How can I speak?
11:04Let her speak, come on.
11:06Should you take a call?
11:08Go on then.
11:10I've had nothing to do with it.
11:14It's what goes on between me and you.
11:16Are you a bit guilty?
11:18No, I'm not. I'm bloody fed up with this bloody game.
11:20That's why I wanted to bring you out of it.
11:22To get the truth. Right.
11:24What do you think's going on, Greets?
11:26This young woman's been coming to my house,
11:30There's nobody. Stopping overnight.
11:32She said they had a toffee lollipop in the bed.
11:34It was sticky stuff everywhere.
11:36I agree with her.
11:38Sticky stuff everywhere, you said, didn't you?
11:40Marks on the bed and all that.
11:42Marks on the bed. What do you mean?
11:44Not me. I haven't been in the house.
11:46I've let nobody in that house.
11:48Why are you getting so aggressive?
11:50That's him. That's him.
11:52That's his nature.
11:54Be quiet. What's his nature?
11:56Cuckoo.
12:00Did he come and visit you a lot when you were in hospital?
12:02Every day.
12:04Every day.
12:06Right.
12:08I used to go there at 12 o'clock or 8 o'clock at night.
12:10Every day.
12:12That was the last part of the hospital.
12:14Four days out of five months.
12:16Malcolm.
12:18Why did all the rest of the family able to visit?
12:20Because they won't visit when you're there.
12:22But they came.
12:24Because you only went three days a week.
12:26You went to caravan for long weekends.
12:28I went every day.
12:30No.
12:31I've got...
12:32Because of two grand in two fidgets in the window.
12:34You must be invisible.
12:35Did he come every day?
12:37Except for four days.
12:39I can't remember.
12:40Have you cheated on her?
12:41No, I haven't.
12:42I'll tell you that.
12:43Give me that bloody light to take this today,
12:45because it'll soak me.
12:47Where did the kimono and the knickers come from?
12:49I don't know the first time I see it.
12:50I don't know the knickers.
12:51Are they your knickers?
12:52They're definitely not.
12:53No.
12:54It's made me poor.
12:55I've lost a lot of weight.
12:56Met me mum, Paul.
12:57And I think bloody well of that woman,
12:59and I'd marry her any time.
13:00He loves you.
13:01Why isn't that enough?
13:02It's all been put up with him.
13:04When I went into that house, ladies...
13:05I said Ivy Brothers against it.
13:06Ivy Brothers against it.
13:07Treat me a girl a minute.
13:09Let me have a go.
13:10Go on, Link.
13:15Go on.
13:16What do you want to say?
13:17Cuckoo.
13:18Cuckoo, yeah.
13:19Do you love him?
13:20No.
13:21Not no mum.
13:22I don't.
13:23Oh, that's okay then.
13:24No.
13:25So you don't want to marry...
13:26Be quiet.
13:27You don't want to marry him?
13:28No.
13:29Oh God, I'd have married him a long time ago.
13:30I thought I wanted to.
13:31I've been married once,
13:32and I don't want to get married again,
13:34having me own person,
13:35and I want to look after me.
13:37Do you honestly think he's cheated on you?
13:39Yeah, I don't want to.
13:40No, he did.
13:41Well, you can prove it right,
13:43and that's it.
13:44He's crying to death of anybody finding out,
13:46because he tells lies, you see.
13:47Oh, it's all right.
13:48I don't want to marry him.
13:49I don't want to marry him.
13:50You don't want to marry him.
13:51You just forget.
13:52I've had two women in my lifetime,
13:53and that's the only women I've been with.
13:55Why are you swearing at me?
13:56Well, what do you expect me to do it?
13:58I've been raped.
13:59I don't believe in having sex with nobody
14:00who gives you diseases.
14:01What about people that might not give you diseases?
14:02You know what I mean?
14:03We made a fact that when we started going out,
14:04if ever you want, after all this straight,
14:05if ever you want somebody else,
14:06you tell me before you have sex,
14:07and I'll do the same to you.
14:08Because if you go with somebody else,
14:09and you give me a disease,
14:10I'll kill you both.
14:11And I would have done it.
14:12And I would have done it.
14:13You know what, after all this straight,
14:14if ever you want somebody else,
14:15you tell me before you have sex,
14:16and I'll do the same to you.
14:17Because if you go with somebody else,
14:19and you give me a disease,
14:20I'll kill you both.
14:21And I would have done it.
14:23And I would have done it.
14:24If I was with somebody else,
14:25I'd have told them before I have any sex.
14:28How many people in this audience
14:29actually think this man's cheated on this lady?
14:32See, none of us do.
14:33I am not cheating on this lady.
14:34Put your hands up if you think he has.
14:36Well, they don't.
14:37They don't think he has.
14:38I wouldn't do that, Jeremy.
14:39Why do you think he has?
14:40Because I've seen the evidence.
14:42What evidence?
14:43Of lollipops in bed,
14:44and knickers all over the place.
14:46Why are there knickers around the room,
14:47and lollipops in the bed?
14:48This is one of the promotions that are.
14:50Why has she been in my bathroom?
14:51What?
14:52Why has she been in my bathroom?
14:54Who's been in the bathroom?
14:55The woman?
14:56That woman.
14:57This woman.
14:58How do you know she's been in the bathroom?
14:59Don't talk.
15:00She lives all through.
15:01She lives all through.
15:02I've got a box full of,
15:03I've got a book full of jewelry that he bought me.
15:05Hang on.
15:06And she's been in the sidewalk.
15:07Has she?
15:08Have you ever known that he's stupid enough to wash good jewelry?
15:13Wash it.
15:14Put it on.
15:15These doors don't, because I'll tell you something.
15:17You've said nothing.
15:18Do you know that?
15:19I'm listening.
15:20He thinks that you're setting him up.
15:22What?
15:23I'm telling you,
15:24because when I went to that,
15:25when I went to...
15:26Why have you set him up?
15:27Why have you said nothing since he's come out?
15:30She's speechless.
15:31Can...
15:32Can you...
15:33Can you wonder?
15:34Well, I sort of can,
15:35because she made a lot of accusations,
15:36and then when he comes out,
15:37she said nothing.
15:38Wouldn't it be a good idea if we tried to make this right?
15:40It would.
15:41It would.
15:42Yes.
15:43Because you do love him.
15:44Can I just have a say?
15:45Oh, and again.
15:46I went to move there, and I thought,
15:47what's that smell when I went in?
15:48So I went in back from...
15:49Oh, God, what?
15:50I didn't think nothing about it.
15:51Well, fair enough.
15:52I didn't run over the top.
15:53I cleaned it all up.
15:54I went to the bloody hospital the day after,
15:55at 12 o'clock.
15:56When I come back at 9 o'clock at night,
15:57when the taxi people don't blow me back,
15:58I went in.
15:59You're full of s*** again.
16:00No, no, no, I'm joking.
16:01I'm a pig sick.
16:02There's bloody rings gone out the house.
16:03There's bloody gold bracelets.
16:04Everything gone out that bloody house.
16:05They were bringing bloody clothes in.
16:06I was buying the clothes.
16:07And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:09And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:11And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:13And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:15And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:18And she was bloody cutting them up.
16:20So there's a mystery person.
16:22There's a mystery person.
16:24Yeah.
16:25Who wears kimonos and big knickers.
16:27I don't know.
16:28Goes to old people's houses,
16:30when half of them are in hospital.
16:32Basically baths their baby.
16:34Gets into a double bed.
16:36Sucks on a couple of toffee lollipops.
16:38And then has a ruddy great dump in their toilet.
16:41That's, that's basically what you're saying.
16:44Essentially.
16:45Isn't it?
16:46Not really.
16:47I'm going to get off.
16:48Go there for him.
16:49Go there for him.
16:50Go there for him.
16:51Go there for yourself.
16:52I'm telling the truth.
16:53Get your stuff off.
16:54I asked her to get the police in.
16:56I asked her to get the police in with all that stuff missing.
16:59And she wouldn't.
17:00She wouldn't get the police.
17:01So I told her before we come here.
17:02I said, when he finds me not guilty, I'm going straight to the police.
17:06I'm not bloody Judge Rindy, you know.
17:07I can't find you guilty of that guilty.
17:08I'm not guilty.
17:09What?
17:10Why do you keep swearing?
17:11Well, Malcolm...
17:12Who's gone into the house in a kimono to eat lollipops and have a poop?
17:13That's what we need to know.
17:14To her, it must seem quite weird.
17:15I know.
17:16To me, it seems barking mad.
17:17What?
17:18I can understand why she's blaming me, but I've no to do with it.
17:19What the f*** is him, Jeremy?
17:20Why do you believe him, Greta?
17:21I've never done it, look.
17:22I'm not talking.
17:23Whoever s*** tells you...
17:24You're f***ing.
17:25Who's fallen to me, Malcolm?
17:26I've fallen to my house.
17:27Why do you say that?
17:28You say yes, that's anyone?
17:29I've fallen to me.
17:30I have fallen to my house.
17:31She's fallen to me.
17:32I've fallen to me.
17:33I've fallen to me.
17:34Why do you believe him, Greta?
17:35I've fallen to me.
17:36I've fallen to me.
17:37I've fallen to me.
17:38You're around.
17:39I've fallen to me.
17:41Just, I'm fine to me.
17:42You
17:54So you you absolutely say you had nothing to do with nothing it doesn't know I nobody in that bloody house
17:59Nobody at all there is a mystery person that keeps going good in and they're bringing a good buddy
18:03Creams in and all sorts of buddy and using the toilet
18:06When yeah, so this time the dishwasher some days somebody hasn't had a poop in the dishwasher
18:12But somebody's pinched the dishwasher. It's not somebody's taken the dishwasher in this your house these sheets that my mad
18:19This was a four years ago now to give it to your buddy what came out of hospital
18:26You're talking about
18:29Yes, you know who's cuckoo?
18:31Yeah, but tell it's off and that's it
18:39The route from morning till night
18:42We're going to we're going to what we're going to do is if it's all right
18:46Yeah, oh, we're gonna we're gonna sit you with Graham
18:49We're gonna we're gonna see if we can somehow come around to the thought of doing a lie detector
18:55Clear me straight up cuz I'm sick of it now
18:57Can I ask you though if you put in the toilet if we do a lie detector is that all right?
19:03What you're on of that?
19:04Well, I mean there's all
19:05You're all deaf or something?
19:09Oh yeah, right
19:10That's why you're not hearing raised innit?
19:13What?
19:14You're not hearing properly
19:15What?
19:15I haven't done now, eh?
19:16What?
19:17Nice to meet you we will sit you we will sit you with Graham
19:22I love her to bloody bits he loves you to bits and I do all the cooking for it and I always put four or five vegetables in the pot
19:29We have the dinners every day after the break. I'm right back. Don't go anywhere. See you in a minute
19:35Why is her ex-boyfriend in the house when you're having sex?
19:42I told you it's over
19:45We asked Lee did you have sexual intercourse with Chloe while she was in a relationship with Adam? You said no what say no?
19:51I'm true
20:03My next guest today Lee is involved in a bitter love triangle with his girlfriend Chloe and the ex-partner Adam
20:08Now Lee says that Adam is still obsessed with Chloe so much so that he even listens to them having sex
20:14Now so you're all aware Chloe is currently pregnant with Adam's baby but Lee says that he will be the one to step up and be the father
20:19This is one heck of a mess Lee is on the Jeremy Carr show that way
20:29I must say I'm a little bit confused so you're 30 Adam's 29 and Chloe's 24 now this is your girlfriend Chloe
20:37Yeah
20:39And the ex is being a pain in the backside
20:41Yeah, won't leave her alone
20:43What do you mean he won't leave you alone?
20:45She turns the TV down and watches listeners having sex
20:49Now I know most people watching this are going to ask a question that's just struck me
20:55Why is her ex-boyfriend in the house when you're having sex?
20:59Don't know, we want him out
21:01Sorry?
21:02We want him out today
21:03Isn't the truth you horrible
21:09Isn't the truth that you only got together with her one week ago and the way she treated him was to move you into their flat and there you've been for a week doing whatever pretending that you're going to be super dad and this poor man's been pushed to one side
21:25You're the bad man in this, it's his baby
21:27Why don't you and her go off?
21:29Why?
21:31It's hard to talk to him anyway
21:33It's hard to talk to him
21:35But you know what I'm saying? If you dump somebody you like say I don't want to be with you anymore
21:37You don't move the new man in after
21:39You moved in after seven days
21:41Yeah? Sorry?
21:43How can you after seven days say
21:47How can you after seven days say I'm going to be like this stepfather?
21:51Do you not think it's a bit quick?
21:53I'm letting him be a dad
21:55But I'm going to you have to say that after seven days
22:03There's something more to this isn't there because you and she were together for a long time before they got together the love of your life and you say you've always pined for her and he
22:11Treated I mean she has a bit of a reputation because she leave you for him and now she's left him for you
22:17Yeah, she's probably loving this isn't she
22:19No, how far gone is she pregnancy-wise
22:2117 weeks and he is the father
22:23Yes, and what are you saying? Why are you here today?
22:25What's the story? I'm here saying that yeah, I'm letting him be the dad today
22:29I'll see you after 168 hours
22:31Go on
22:33And I'm letting him be seeing the baby
22:35Right
22:37And then do everything he wants with it
22:39But I'm going to help her
22:41Are you in love with her? Yes
22:42And you're going to stay with her? Yes
22:43You don't think she'll start sleeping with him again?
22:45You don't think this little minx is stuck in the middle loving every minute of this do you?
22:48No
22:49You tell my team Adam is obsessed he's controlling he texts at the whole time
22:53He's a lazy bum and he will do nothing for that child and he's dirty and smelly and refuses to have a bath
22:59Yep
23:00Well what lovely
23:02Does he eat toffee lollipops at all?
23:04That's another story
23:05You say that he almost forced Chloe to have a relationship with him and forced him to have a baby
23:11Yep
23:12So here you are today back with the
23:14Brilliant
23:15Back today with the the woman you love and this man you can be a father but just leave us alone
23:21So you're having sex with her in the flat that they used to live in up to 168 hours ago
23:26And she and he's lit he turns the telly down to listen to you at it
23:31Yep
23:32He's up he's on the sofa listening to Lee and Chloe in his bed having it off
23:38You would be a little bit annoyed wouldn't you?
23:40Adam's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
23:42That way
23:43Yeah you're not a part of my child's life mate
23:57Oh shut your mouth
23:59Shut up just enjoy the moment hello I have a great degree of sympathy for you so your relationship didn't work with Chloe
24:11Who's loving every minute of it look at her face she loves being stuck in the middle doesn't she
24:16Apparently you've got some
24:18Is that is that yeah that's all comes down to the
24:21Yeah
24:22Again yes cocktail sausage all the usual phrases
24:26Shut up sit down be quiet
24:29Oi um you were with her all of a sudden from nowhere
24:33She what dumps you tell me what happens she's pregnant with your baby tell me what happens
24:38She finished me uh on 40
24:41And it's a couple days she got back with Lee
24:44But hold on a second didn't you go out for the day and you came back to a note saying we're no longer together
24:48And the next day she moved him in
24:50What is he supposed to do and why have you said nothing since he came out
24:54We're really helping him we try and find him
24:56You're not helping him he admits his birth you are a human being
25:01I was honest
25:07Get up until I can't
25:09Can we get back to the story you went out for the day you came back to a note saying I don't want to be with you the next day
25:17Why would you stay in a flat where your lying conniving girlfriend has moved that in
25:22Why would you not seriously just go away out of dignity why are you like why are you still there
25:28Well it's warm time to find somewhere to go
25:31What?
25:32You told my team it's really really difficult because you have to watch them cuddling on the sofa
25:37And then you have to lie on the sofa with the single duvet listening to them having it off
25:41Mate
25:43You tell my team they're trying to cut you out the baby's life that's seven days
25:47I want to know why you are putting yourself through this hell because he knows as well as you do
25:51This is what I don't want you don't seem to get
25:53She's loving all of this
25:55She's gonna play you in a minute like she's playing him you're both being a bit muggish aren't you here to be fair
26:04I mean after one week she's saying Adam's not allowed at the birth Adam's this Adam's that and suddenly you're you know you're the man aren't you
26:10Yeah, but you know how it felt to be dumped because did she not?
26:16Did she not dump him for you?
26:18Yep
26:19Did you think about him when he had to deal with how did you feel when she dumped you?
26:23I was broken
26:24But I still felt feeling for it
26:26But I'm gonna try and help him today he's supposed to go into the council but no he came here instead
26:32Mate he's broken
26:33Yeah the reason why we come up here
26:35Trying to sort this out
26:36Yeah
26:37But you said you're going to council today
26:38The reason why we don't do ya
26:39The reason why we don't do ya
26:40You don't do
26:41Oh
26:42All you do
26:43Is sit on the
26:44Bustard
26:45My
26:46Don't
26:47We could have less of you there
26:48God
26:49Work
26:50So
26:51Swearing
26:52You shut your mouth
26:53It's the mother of your favourite
26:55Take it to the doctors
26:56I'll phone the doctors for you
26:57Do you remember how broken you were?
27:00Yeah
27:01That is what he's going through
27:02Okay
27:03Get me a check
27:04I think she loves it
27:05Yeah of course she's 17 weeks pregnant so we've got to be nice
27:08But she's clever enough to move somebody in after about 30 minutes
27:11Chloe's on the Jeremy Kyle show
27:13It's over
27:20I told you it's over
27:22Why would you move him in straight away you horrible woman
27:25He had nowhere to go
27:26What about him?
27:27I'm trying to help him
27:29It's his flat
27:30No it's my flat
27:31It's in my name
27:32Is it?
27:33Yeah it is
27:34It's always been in my name
27:35Why did it take you so long to find a new man?
27:37You were sleeping with him behind his back weren't you?
27:43No
27:44Yeah you were
27:45No
27:46We've done a lie detector haven't we?
27:48Yes
27:49Yeah
27:50That's what you think isn't it Ad?
27:51It's a baby Adams
27:52Yes
27:53You sure about that?
27:54Yes we are sure about that
27:55How could you be so sure you weren't around 17 weeks ago were ya?
27:58Sorry
27:59Or were ya?
28:00No it wasn't around
28:01It's his
28:02I know it's his
28:03Work out the day
28:04Why do you think they were cheating behind your back Ad?
28:06I've been told when I'll go out every single day
28:10Oh you need to be careful with Lee
28:12All the house comes round
28:14Ah
28:15Or Adam's not here
28:16I might as well
28:17Oh yeah
28:18Go round to see my son
28:19Who's got ADHD and you shout at him
28:21Good
28:22I've got a five day contact
28:23I have to go round and see him
28:25Well you don't have to have sex with him at the same time do you?
28:27I mean
28:29I've been round to his house but I haven't jumped into bed with him
28:33Yeah but I'll go round and see my son
28:35Spend time with him
28:36Mmm and then you
28:37You're a conniving liar that's what you are
28:39You've played it completely haven't you?
28:41Yeah
28:42But do you know what I know?
28:44Do you know what I know the justice of this whole situation Adam?
28:47You're gutted yeah?
28:48You're the cat that got the cream aren't you?
28:50Your man's back everything's good
28:52You
28:53You
28:54Whatever you say on your face
28:56Self doubt consumes your every being doesn't it?
28:59Do you know why?
29:00Because you and I both know pal
29:02Somewhere down the line
29:04Maybe not today
29:05Next week
29:06Next month
29:07She'll do exactly the same
29:09No she won't
29:10She'll play you
29:11No she won't
29:12Like she's played him
29:13No she won't
29:14She'll play you
29:15No she won't
29:16She'll play you
29:17Adam just so you know Chloe told my team he forced me into a relationship and forced me to have a child I never loved him I didn't want to be with him he was a control freak
29:26He should have put something on the end of it
29:28I wasn't ready to have another child
29:29Well then why did you not with the grace of respect keep your legs closed
29:32Okay then
29:33So you're saying that
29:34Oh we're now defending our girlfriend here he is
29:35Come on the big man
29:36So why did he text Chloe one night come have goodbye sex
29:40I suspect he probably thought he got a chance because she probably did it with you behind his back
29:47Because let's be honest despite the fact she's pregnant she's not that picky is she?
29:52What do you want me to say?
29:56What do you want me to do?
29:57Listen Lee Lee you're in the box seat son you're there you're the man this poor broken human being
30:02He's now been told he can't see his kid he's gonna lose his flat and you're the man but somewhere
30:07It's my flat somewhere in your head Lee you know
30:10I'm trying to help him he didn't go to council
30:11You're a player love
30:12No I'm not
30:13Yeah you are
30:14No I'm not
30:15Yeah you are
30:16No I'm not
30:17Is he the father?
30:18Yes
30:19Sure about that?
30:20Yes
30:21You know you'll be played don't you?
30:22No
30:23Yeah you do
30:24No
30:25Horrible feeling isn't it?
30:26He's not being played
30:27I think you're better off out of this do you know what I wouldn't even bother about the results
30:29I would go to the council with our help I get somewhere and I get on with your life
30:32Because I think you don't need to be involved in your soul so don't you know
30:37Do you love her right?
30:39She's the mother of my child
30:41She is the mother of your child
30:43Do you want to know these results about whether they were having sex behind your back or not?
30:47Yeah
30:48You do?
30:49Well
30:50I'll get a job
30:58We asked Lee did you have sexual intercourse with Chloe while she was in a relationship with Adam
31:03You said no why did you say no?
31:04Telling the truth
31:05He was telling the truth they didn't
31:08Did you expect a round of applause for that?
31:10No
31:11I myself didn't
31:12Did you have any sexual contact with Chloe?
31:14To be honest there was no sexual intercourse no sexual contact and no kissing
31:17But it was in my humble opinion pretty interesting that he moved in within 22 and a half hours of you moving out
31:22How long were you with her?
31:24Adam?
31:25About four or five months
31:28You're loving this aren't you?
31:29No
31:30Did you ever want to go back to a place where you felt like that?
31:32His Facebook is linked
31:33My Facebook is linked on his phone
31:34Couldn't give it down
31:35Why is he checking on me?
31:36Not interested in talking to you
31:37Do you remember how you felt?
31:38Yeah
31:39Do you ever want to feel like that again?
31:40No
31:41Then get the hell away from him
31:42It's my anger
31:43It's my life
31:47Any day if I want to be with her I'll be with her
31:49That sounds awful
31:50I hope your baby's great
31:51I hope it does turn out to be his
31:52But I also hope when you've had your baby that one day you feel like that
31:54Because people like you deserve to feel like that
31:56That's the absolute truth
31:57Is he going to be involved in this baby's life?
31:59Yeah
32:00Well stepdaddy of seven days is telling you
32:03Contact centre
32:04Sorry?
32:05Contact centre might
32:06Unless you sort your anger out
32:07Oh no
32:08We're going to have these a druggies
32:10What anger are we talking about?
32:12Did I say druggie?
32:13No
32:14What anger are we talking about?
32:15Why'd you have unprotected sex with somebody so angry then?
32:17Why didn't you think about that before you did it?
32:25Got it all laid out haven't you?
32:26No
32:27Adam
32:28We'll help you
32:29We'll try and help you with an arrangement to see the kid
32:32Apparently only in a contact centre
32:33I'd fight that if I was you
32:34There's nothing to say that he's going
32:35What about you?
32:36You're going to be around all the time though yeah?
32:38Yeah
32:39How long were you with her?
32:4020 weeks?
32:41No
32:4218 and a half to go Lee boy
32:43She'll probably move on
32:45Good luck in your new life
32:46Just remember one thing
32:47I really do believe this
32:49The way you treat people in life
32:51There's a thing called karma
32:53And it doesn't respect people enough to let it go
32:56And somewhere down the line Chloe
32:58It's going to come and bite you right on the backside
33:00And you deserve everything you've got coming
33:01You see what you're going to do
33:03We'll let you know after a break more from the J.K. Show
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33:58Next today is Tash
33:59Because her relationship is in turmoil
34:00After she heard rumours that her boyfriend Kieran
34:02Was high on spice
34:03Whilst on the school run with a kid
34:04She says
34:05The relationship is a breaking point
34:07She's desperate for help
34:08She says
34:09Today
34:10Somebody needs to tell him the truth
34:11That'll be me Tash
34:12Tash is on the Jeremy Carl show
34:13That way
34:21I don't think I'm going to be very good at this part love
34:24What do you want?
34:25The truth or what?
34:26The truth and I just wanted to own up to what he's done
34:31I just wanted
34:32On off relationship with Kieran for five years
34:35Let's talk about how you met him
34:37Erm
34:38I was pregnant with my oldest who's now five nearly six
34:42Erm
34:43And it was through a mutual friend at a house
34:45I was going through a rough time with my oldest son's father
34:49And that's obviously how we started meeting
34:52And getting to know each other
34:54And the friendship kind of progressed from there
34:56But when you got together you knew he was on drugs?
34:58No because at the time he wasn't on the drugs
35:00But you've known for a while?
35:01I've known for a while
35:02Yeah and I have
35:03Have you got kids with this man?
35:04Erm
35:05No
35:06I haven't
35:07So the children that we're going to talk about in this story
35:09Are from another man?
35:10Yes they are
35:11Makes it even more appalling in my humble opinion
35:13When did you find out in the five year relationship?
35:15I'm just being honest
35:16Do you want my help?
35:17I'm going to ask you stuff you don't want to answer
35:18Yes
35:19How long have you known he's on drugs?
35:20Erm
35:21About three years
35:22Then why don't you keep making excuses
35:23Why don't you dump his sorry backside
35:24Or get him some help?
35:25Serious question
35:27Erm
35:28Serious question
35:29Because he's got nobody else
35:31I think
35:32Like she said it's not a constant thing
35:33Yeah
35:34I think in life obviously you need that one person
35:36That's going to stand by your side no matter what
35:37Is he a binge drug taker?
35:39Is that what we're talking about?
35:40No he doesn't do it every single day
35:41Every other day
35:42He does it when he's bored
35:44Or
35:45When he's got nothing else to do
35:47He's just synthetic drugs
35:48Let's make that point
35:49Spice
35:50Yeah spice
35:51How does he take it?
35:52Erm
35:53Sometimes he used to do it for a bong
35:54Sometimes he'll roll it
35:56He's never ever done it around my kids
35:58Apart from obviously
35:59One of the most interesting
36:00I say interesting is the wrong thing
36:02Because we do the other show car files
36:03And we touched upon this with legal highs
36:04One of the big things to talk about the press this year
36:06You'd have seen the figures
36:08These zombie like people on spice
36:10And they're just like
36:11And Manchester there's been quite a lot of stories
36:13And London as well
36:14Why would you want to be with somebody that does that to themselves?
36:16Why can't you?
36:17I don't get that
36:19I'm not saying walk away
36:20I get your point that you love him
36:22But why hasn't there been a more constructive attempt to help him over the last three years?
36:25Like I've said to him it's like I have tried to help him
36:27I have tried to ring up places and say Luke this guy needs support
36:31I've told him to go to the doctors and try and get it sorted
36:34Why doesn't he?
36:35Because he's very very stubborn
36:37He is the most stubbornest person I know
36:39I thought I was stubborn
36:41Nothing compared to that guy
36:42What do you think you're left to do then to get him to see the light?
36:45Like I've said to him it's like I will walk away if he doesn't get help and support
36:49Walk away
36:50Did you ring this show on him?
36:52Luke
36:53He didn't believe that I was going to ring the show
36:57And then when I rung the show he was shocked
36:59And then there has been
37:00I'm going on I'm not going on I'm going on I'm not going on
37:02And I tell him he's right then if you don't go on that show
37:04We're over I'm going and I'm going with all the kids
37:10When I read this this morning
37:12You know my initial reaction is still even after 13 years is the wrong one really
37:16Because I was that mad
37:18But the truth is he was on the school run because you were in hospital suffering from the horror of a miscarriage
37:22Yeah
37:23Erm I went to the walk-in centre
37:25I virtually woke up in a pile of blood
37:27I went to the walk-in centre to get obviously tested and checked out make sure everything was okay
37:31They sent me up to the hospital
37:33Erm I went up there with my three year old after he begged me to trust him with my nine month old
37:39Erm
37:40About quarter to four about
37:42Why did he have to beg you darling?
37:43Because I had the suspicion inside of me not to leave him unsupervised with my youngest child
37:49What's the accusation?
37:50Virtually the erm he went to pick my five year old up from school he was fine when he picked him up this is what the school have said
37:57But then other people have said that as he was walking up a road he kind of slumped on erm a wall and he had his arms wrapped round a pram
38:07Which is my nine month old son's pram and put his head into the pram and he fell asleep for a couple of minutes
38:11I'm gonna stop you I'm gonna stop you right don't get upset
38:15What sort of mother stays with a man that did that to her kids mother?
38:19I understand that
38:20I don't understand that
38:21I understand that but
38:23You could have lost your kids
38:25No I wrong social services straight away
38:27You did?
38:28I wrong social services my straight
38:30The day that I found out
38:32The day that I found out erm on that Thursday when I come back I discharged myself from the hospital erm
38:40I virtually took the drip out of my arm
38:42I took everything out and I come back
38:44I rang my brother's wife to make sure my kids were ok
38:47That was my first concern
38:48Well you need to think long and hard about how you are prepared for yourself and your kids to be
38:52I mean let's say we helped him
38:54I don't know
38:55Yeah
38:56You shouldn't be anywhere near him until he gets the right help
38:58I was gonna say
38:59Certainly not your kids
39:00The police and social services have said he isn't allowed unsupervised with my children
39:05Which I have agreed to
39:07I will not leave him with my kids unsupervised because to be honest with you
39:10I don't trust him with them unsupervised
39:12I love him and I want him to get the help and support that I know
39:15Deep down in his heart
39:16But you need to be hard
39:17But you need to be hard for that alright
39:18Kieran's on the car show
39:19Well done darling that way
39:20You don't look like you give a damn do you?
39:31You don't do you?
39:32Of course I do
39:33Tell me the truth
39:35I've told you the truth
39:36I've told her the truth
39:37I've told her the truth
39:38Did you smoke spice on the school?
39:40No I didn't
39:41Do you think I'm gonna sit here and you're gonna get f***ed with me and it's not gonna happen?
39:43I've come here yeah
39:44I've come here and I've said I've clearly got a problem
39:47You're on my help you're gonna admit what you've done
39:49I'm gonna admit for something I haven't done so
39:50Why would a five year old tell us to
39:51Why would a five year old do
39:53Why would a five year old say what it did?
39:56Come on
39:57Clearly yeah
39:58Somebody's clearly putting something in her head
40:01She's got her ex-partners
40:02But she's got a brother's ex-partner
40:04Who's saying she took the kids because I was on Mambo
40:06Clearly her opinion
40:07She's got a brother's
40:09Were you?
40:10No I wasn't
40:11Why'd you take them?
40:12Why did I take what?
40:13Why do you take them?
40:14Why do I take them?
40:15I've took them for the past five years
40:16I've had a problem for five years
40:17Clearly I aren't
40:18Why are you so angry?
40:19Why? Because you think
40:20Well you think you're gonna walk through that door and get help
40:22And just put your hands in the air and acknowledge what you've done
40:24I'm sitting here and telling you what I've done but you're clearly not listening
40:26You come straight out and you're aggressive
40:28It's a joke to you
40:30You think you're gonna sit here and paint a really bad picture of me and it's not gonna happen
40:33The police have told her in social services that she shouldn't have unsupervised access for these children
40:38And? That's their opinion
40:39It's everybody's opinion
40:40But what's the truth?
40:41No it's not everybody's opinion
40:42Wasn't an ambulance called that day?
40:43No
40:44Yes it was
40:45Yes it was
40:46The ambulance
40:47The police come out four times on that day
40:49They had to check that I had beds for the kids to sleep in which I've explained to you
40:54Yeah obviously
40:55They had to check that I had food and gas and electric in
40:57In five years of meeting
40:58Did the ambulance do anything?
40:59Hold on a minute
41:00Hold on
41:01Hold on a minute
41:02Hold on a minute
41:03Hold on a minute
41:04In five years of me being a mother
41:05In five years of me being a mother
41:06In five years of me
41:08You kicked me out
41:09I did four days in a shop door
41:11Just me
41:12In five years of me being a mother
41:13I've never had to have the police or social services to come out to check
41:16That my kids have got beds to sleep in
41:18That there's gas and electrical and there's food in the cupboards
41:20Yeah but you'll sit there saying I've got a problem yeah
41:22And now we're acting
41:23But when I had a problem
41:24You stand there in the kitchen and ask me if I've got a problem
41:25I say yeah I need it
41:26You passed me ten pounds for going by
41:28Because you kicked off
41:29You kicked off
41:31So you'll sit there and say I've got a problem
41:32You kicked off at me
41:33Hold on a minute
41:34You'll give me the money for going fund it
41:35Hold on a minute
41:36Yes I have give you that ten pounds of fund it
41:37So I'm not going to sit in and I'm not going to buy
41:39Somebody else's fault again yeah
41:40No not somebody else's problem
41:41But it is
41:42The police
41:43Then why haven't you got help before
41:45Because I go to the doctors there they don't believe what I'm saying
41:48I believe you
41:49But you don't believe me because you're sitting there having a go at it
41:52I'm not sitting I'm standing you donut
41:54And what
41:55And what
41:56Who's Harriot
41:57You think I don't watch this show every day
41:58Harriot
41:59A brother's expert
42:00Misses
42:01I saw Kieran when I was walking home from the school run a couple of weeks ago
42:04He was swaying from side to side and looked completely out of it
42:07Could tell he was on drugs and felt that the kids weren't safe
42:10So I took them off him and took them home
42:12I told Kieran I was taking the kids for their own safety
42:14No she didn't
42:15He was a mess
42:16She told me she took the kids because Tash said that she could take the kids
42:19I've told you the truth I did not do it that day
42:21I have had a problem for five years yes
42:23I kicked that problem I had an auto attack at 19
42:26What do you think about yourself?
42:27What do you think about myself? Clearly
42:29What do you think about yourself?
42:31Me?
42:32I think I've got a problem obviously
42:35What do you think of this lady?
42:37Obviously it's my partner
42:38Do you love her?
42:39Obviously
42:40Do you have the kids?
42:41Obviously
42:42He calls me daddy
42:43He's happy when I walk through the door
42:44She'll tell you herself
42:45She threw me out for four days
42:46I slept for four days in a shop doorway
42:48It was the worst four days of his life
42:49Because he wouldn't settle
42:50Every time somebody knocks on the door
42:52He's screaming at the door shouting daddy
42:53And I'm not there if I walk through the door
42:55How do you think that makes me feel?
42:56Wasn't that a good reason to get off this rubbish then?
42:58I'm not addicted
43:00I don't take this every day
43:01You're doing it again though
43:02You've got an anger with the wrong person
43:03It doesn't matter if you take it once a week
43:06Once
43:07I didn't say when you took it
43:08I said don't you think it's about time you get off this stuff
43:10Obviously why do you think I'm here?
43:11You're doing it again
43:12I've been saying for the
43:13I've been saying for the
43:14I've been saying for the
43:15I've been saying for the
43:16I've been here for 13 years
43:18Why don't you ring me for the last 5 years then?
43:19I've watched the show for 13 years
43:20But I've always said
43:21I'll help you when you put your hands in the air
43:22How bad's the problem?
43:23I wouldn't be caught dead on this show
43:24And now I'm here today
43:25It took me a lot to come here today for your help
43:27How much do you take?
43:29I watch you every morning, I watch you repeat, I want to meet you, I want to meet Graeme, I want to meet Steve, I idolised a lot of you.
43:36What triggers it? Talk to me, slow down, what triggers it?
43:39Things that go on in me, I can't cope with what happens in me head.
43:41What happens in your head?
43:42Obviously I've been addicted to drugs since 11 years old.
43:45It's always been a substitute for some sort of problem, things that I don't want to have in.
43:50Since 11 years old I was addicted to cannabis, 15 years old I substituted the cannabis for MCAT.
43:55I went from the MCAT back to cannabis, from the cannabis to cocaine, from the cocaine to Mamba.
43:59Oh, because I can't deal with what's going on up here, but I go to a doctor and I tell the doctor, yeah, they say you are, he's a leaflet.
44:06Yeah.
44:07Hey Graeme, come here, give him a chair.
44:10Really honest.
44:11I hope you.
44:12Can I say something?
44:17That's great, I think you've articulated yourself really well there.
44:20OK.
44:21But, I think the one thing you have to understand that when we live in a civilised society, OK,
44:28that we prioritise within that society the welfare of children, OK?
44:35Obviously the welfare of the children is my main priority.
44:37I'm not going to sit there to put them in danger.
44:39And when I go out, I don't come back until I'm sober.
44:42I go out and I binge take it and I don't come back till early hours in the morning or the next day because I don't want to come back until I'm sober.
44:48And when we're sitting there every day arguing, it's clearly impacting on the kids because we're sat there arguing in front of them.
44:53Because?
44:54Because of obviously my drug use, what happens in my mind, things I can't do, things I won't do.
44:59OK.
45:00So let me pick up two points there.
45:02OK.
45:02Your drug use and the arguing that takes place within this relationship.
45:06Do you think that affects those children?
45:08Obviously.
45:08OK.
45:09And what you want in life is to be a good parent and safeguard the welfare of your children.
45:15Yes, because the children always come first.
45:17So when people, people will always question you because what's happening right now is that you're prioritising drugs.
45:25I know in your own head you're going to say I'm wrong, but you're prioritising drugs over the welfare of your children because...
45:31But I'm not an addict, I'm a binger.
45:33You use it to cope.
45:34Yes.
45:34OK, so you use it to cope.
45:37Now then, when you say that I'm using spice to cope, OK, you're also saying that although it may mimic the effects of cannabis, you also have experienced the side effects.
45:50Yes.
45:51Which is, you know, a lack of concentration, a lack of coordination, it changes your perception, it changes your mood.
45:58You're at risk of having blackouts, OK?
46:00I've had blackouts.
46:00And then...
46:01OK.
46:02I've done the blackouts.
46:03You are at risk...
46:04I've done the twitching on the floor and throwing up on yourself.
46:06You are at risk of having a psychotic episode.
46:09But where I'm trying to take you is that your priority in life is to be a great parent.
46:14And when your partner says that in the last six or seven months you've used spice maybe once a month, OK, you're not being the best parent, are you?
46:24Because it's your drug use, even on those few occasions that you're binging, that's causing these arguments that are having a direct impact on your children.
46:33What we're talking about here is to take spice out of the equation completely, isn't it?
46:38And that you engage in a talking therapy to deal with what's going on in your head.
46:43Is that not right?
46:44Yeah.
46:45OK.
46:45And that's what we'll provide for you today.
46:47But where I'm trying to take you is you could make yourself the most unhappiest parent in the world, OK, if you lose contact with these children.
46:56And that may be likely if you continue using spice.
47:00So it's self-defeating to continue using.
47:02I want to motivate you to be the best parent in the world.
47:05But when the box...
47:06Listen to me, listen to me, listen to me, listen to me, because we don't want to go around in circles.
47:11Do you want our help?
47:12Yes.
47:13That starts with him.
47:14I promise you, because you speak very well, but sometimes that quickly, he just said, that is what we're going to do for you.
47:21Let's stop going around in circles.
47:23What he's trying to say is, however good you think you are, and I'm sure there are bits of you that have been great, either with her or the kids,
47:31it doesn't matter whether you take it once a week or once a month or twice a day.
47:35The fact is, this drug is part of your life.
47:37And the way that that impacts on your relationship has a direct impact on the children and everybody's suffering.
47:43I understand that.
47:44So if we go to the root cause, and I take your point about what you've had before, we, he, and his team will provide that.
47:50I want you to go and discuss a plan of action with him, all right?
47:52And listen, you might find this really weird.
47:55We'll be able to help you, young man, all right?
47:57I hope so.
47:58Just be honest with him.
47:59I hope so.
47:59I'm going to talk to you, all right?
48:00Good luck.
48:00Give him a round of applause.
48:01Thank you, Brian.
48:02Good luck.
48:03Listen.
48:05I get.
48:06I get.
48:07I get having met him that there probably is a young man in there struggling to get out.
48:11But I also have to say as well that, you know, it's about honesty, isn't it?
48:15And he, he has to be totally candid about what he's going through and you have to be hard.
48:20And I will say this, and some people will disagree.
48:23I wouldn't want to be leaving my children with him, the state he's in.
48:27Once a week, once a month, once a year.
48:29That's the first time I've trusted him with him and he goes and does this.
48:32He has to, I think, get help for himself.
48:34Not to try and win you back or to prove he's a good parent.
48:37But I thank you for bringing him.
48:39We'll ask you to stay there.
48:40We'll let you know I'm out of time.
48:41If you want to be here, you need my help.
48:42Visit my website.
48:42The details are on screen.
48:44To my guests, to this audience, and to you at home, thanks for watching.
48:46See you soon.
48:46Take care, everybody.
48:47Bye for now.
49:02Bye for now.