The Jeremy Kyle Show 1st May 2013
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00:00Yeah, Dave, you're making me choose between a man I've been with for nearly 13 years and a family member. I don't know.
00:08Because you haven't been here to know.
00:11You've said some pretty horrible things about his dad who's no longer with us.
00:14I haven't said anything horrible about his dad.
00:16You've just sworn his life, man. You just...
00:18You asked me to...
00:19I've got worse than that. Don't get angry. Pete's dad was an idiot and he's going to end up the same way.
00:23Don't!
00:24You look...
00:25Talk about my dad like that again, right?
00:27You can't spit in her face. You know that. You shouldn't hit anybody.
00:33Have you really done enough for this boy?
00:35Well, I would say no, but...
00:37You've done nothing!
00:39Because half the time I've never known where he was.
00:41Don't say half the time! Half the time this, half the time that! You've done nothing for him!
00:57Good morning, guys!
01:01Thank you very much indeed. Good morning. And as ever, a big, big welcome to the show.
01:07Now, today we're going to look back at some of my most memorable guests.
01:10And you might just remember my first one, Pete.
01:12He came to the show as he was ready to zone his sister, Patsy.
01:15Pete said he's never ever had a close relationship with her and it had been made worse because he was convinced that her fiancé, Gordon, was a serial cheat.
01:22Let's look at this. Take a look.
01:25This is your, um, full sister or half-sister, Pete?
01:28Full sister.
01:29You and she as kids, what happened?
01:30Well, I was living with her when I was eight-year-old for a few months, obviously, because my mum couldn't cope with this.
01:35And then she had a fight with my sister. She went her own way. I got put into care and that.
01:40And then I contacted her when she was on the Jeremy Kyle show last year.
01:44That's here?
01:45That's how I found her.
01:46You saw her?
01:47He said he hadn't seen it for years.
01:48Oh, yeah, I found her through Facebook.
01:49And he said he tuned in and he saw his sister shouting on the Jeremy Kyle show.
01:52So you went on Facebook, lovely.
01:53And found her.
01:54And?
01:55And then I think it was Ari.
01:56I went to, like, her birthday party, like, the barbecue.
01:59And, er, Gordon, that was there.
02:00And then, er, he was flirting with, like, one Miller family members.
02:05And then, er, I went home with my lass at the time.
02:08And then when I got home, she had an inbox open.
02:10He was trying to get into my lass.
02:12So I rang Patsy, told Patsy.
02:15And Patsy, er, went on his Facebook and seen the inboxes that he had been sending my lass.
02:19But it's still with him.
02:20And your frustration is that, having come across your half-sister after all these years,
02:25she's with this no-good waste of space.
02:27Aye.
02:28And she rings us.
02:29She says, oh, I've just caught him inboxing the lass on Facebook.
02:31I says, well, get rid of him then.
02:33I says, I'll come up now.
02:34I'll sort him out for you.
02:35And then she says, right, I'll ring you back.
02:37She rings us back.
02:38And she'll say, oh, no, it's sorted.
02:39And what's it done between you and her?
02:41There she is on the right side.
02:42Well, now because I didn't count at my house, I've seen her five times in 20 years,
02:44you know what I mean?
02:45And I can't count at my house because I can't stand the kid.
02:48You want a relationship with her, but you say, erm, this guy's no good for you.
02:51She's smiling like it doesn't matter.
02:53Serious, man.
02:55She's just serious.
02:56I swear to God, I don't know what to tell them.
02:58I don't give up.
02:59I seriously don't.
03:00Think she'll listen to you?
03:01Hopefully.
03:02Shall we get her out?
03:03Yep.
03:04Patsy's on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
03:09Why are you such full of...
03:15How, how?
03:17Tell us how.
03:18Tell us how.
03:19Ginge, you've never even mentioned Gordon's name to me.
03:22Did he inbox Vanessa on Facebook or not?
03:24Yes, he inboxed.
03:25Did he?
03:26Was he flirting with that?
03:27No.
03:28Your barbecue, so you weren't seeing...
03:29Watch out the flute.
03:30Watch out the flute.
03:31So you weren't?
03:32Right or wrong?
03:33No.
03:34Right or wrong?
03:35No.
03:36You swear on my dad's ashes.
03:37I swear on your dad's ashes and I know how much your dad needs.
03:39Dean, Dean, seriously.
03:40Yeah.
03:41Right, we'll see when we get home then, right?
03:42We'll see when we get home.
03:43You swear on my dad's ashes and lie on my dad's ashes.
03:46We'll say I'll take the lips off him when he gets home.
03:48There you are.
03:49Why wait till you get home?
03:50Well, tell him to come out now.
03:51I'll take the lips off him now.
03:52He's coming out in about five minutes now.
03:53I'll take the lips off him as soon as he comes out.
03:55In the end.
03:56I'm a boy, you're swearing on my dad's ashes and lying, Patsy.
03:58You know my dad in the world of my man.
04:00You went out in my life.
04:01You went out in my life.
04:02You come back in my life.
04:03Of course I want to talk to you again.
04:05I can't even come to your house, man, to see you.
04:07Well, if you...
04:08Because I don't like the guy.
04:09Can I ask you about the barbecue?
04:10Because I've got a statement from Vanessa, which is your ex, right?
04:12It says,
04:13When I was with Pete, Gordon did try it on with me.
04:15The very first time I met him was at a barbecue.
04:17It was inappropriate towards me and wouldn't stop staring.
04:20I know for a fact he's messaged other girls behind Patsy's back
04:23because she's told me that herself.
04:25I wouldn't be surprised if he cheated on Patsy with other women
04:28because I've seen him try it on with all sorts of...
04:31Get your head out of wherever it is, because I believe him.
04:34Why are you blinded by what this guy's doing?
04:37Because he's not.
04:38You've...
04:39The girl says you told her.
04:41What, a girl that's met...
04:43Why would he have a view?
04:44He says that you would ring him and say,
04:46he's doing this, he's doing that,
04:47and then when he arrives, you're like,
04:49oh, it's all fine.
04:50The only phone calls I have of him
04:52is usually at two, three o'clock in the morning
04:54he's had an argument with Vanessa,
04:56or he's, Patsy, can I come to yours?
04:58I'm going to get bundled into the boot of a car
05:00and get my kneecaps blown off.
05:01Once, once, once.
05:03Do you know what she says?
05:04She says you're a fantasist
05:05who's jealous of her relationship with Gordon.
05:07That's what she said.
05:08He doesn't even know...
05:09Tell him!
05:10I've met him twice, correct or wrong?
05:12You've met me three, four times?
05:13He might be a...
05:14But...
05:15So?
05:16At the end of your making me choose
05:18between a man I've been with for nearly 13 years...
05:21In a family member?
05:22In a family member, I don't know.
05:24Because you haven't been here to know?
05:26Sorry, you've lost.
05:27Can I ask you something?
05:28Do you totally believe Gordon then?
05:31You don't think he's done anything inappropriate?
05:34You've never told him?
05:35No.
05:36You've never told Vanessa?
05:37You've never told anybody?
05:38No.
05:39This is a perfect relationship?
05:40Well, no relationship's perfect.
05:42You've said some pretty horrible things about his dad who's no longer with us.
05:45I haven't said anything horrible about his dad.
05:47You've just sworn he's late, man.
05:48You just...
05:49You asked me, do?
05:50I've got worse than that.
05:51Don't get angry.
05:52Pete's dad was an idiot and he's going to end up the same way.
05:54You're not...
05:55Talk about my dad like that again, mate.
05:58And see him, I'm gonna...
05:59I'm gonna...
06:00Bury you.
06:01Oi, oi.
06:02Knock it out.
06:03Talk about my dad.
06:04You horrible.
06:05Get off his now.
06:06Don't...
06:07Beat.
06:08Beat.
06:09Talk about my dad like that.
06:10Sit.
06:11Only good thing I ever had in my life, man.
06:13That...
06:14Listen.
06:15That...
06:16Listen to me.
06:17Talk about my dad like that, man.
06:18It's...
06:19Bury him, me.
06:20Look at me.
06:21You can't spit in her face.
06:22You know that.
06:23I can't...
06:24Because she's a woman.
06:25You shouldn't hit anybody.
06:26It's totally unfair what she said and I was getting there.
06:28But you do that, you lose it.
06:29Now get out here and we'll do it properly.
06:31We came here for a reason.
06:32Pete, you could do this, right?
06:34I understand what your dad meant to you, but you can't...
06:39Watch when you get all my sweat.
06:40No.
06:41You did say that.
06:42What?
06:43One second.
06:44Did you...
06:45You don't know where...
06:46Did you...
06:47He's a bit of my life, man.
06:48That's right, I'm right.
06:49Did you not say that about his dad?
06:51I don't know his dad.
06:53But what I said was, from what I've heard, that's what he is.
06:57Right after this break, we'll meet Patsy's fiancee, Gordon, and see how he reacted to those accusations.
07:01Do not go anywhere, my friends, because I'm right back.
07:04All of you, Manny Julio, get on it.
07:07It's a dirty animal.
07:09Animals and camels spit.
07:11Not brothers.
07:13You've been.
07:14It's a hard time...
07:15A DNA test.
07:16Are you caught up in a long-running family feud?
07:24Or maybe you want to make amends with someone.
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08:00Pete and Patsy a brother and sister at war let's see what happened though when Gordon Patsy's fiancee joined them on stage after hearing what Pete said
08:09Believing this guy was a cheat take a look at this
08:12You believe in Gordon and you've never told Vanessa and you've never told him this guy's a cheat
08:16I've sported Vanessa about three times. Don't you understand the minute you tell somebody something about something they can have an opinion
08:23See Evan. No, so she's lying and he's lying. Let's get the man out. Gordon's on the Jeremy Kyle show. Watch it
08:28I didn't hear that statement.
08:30I didn't hear that statement.
08:32You're a f*****g hard on you, man. You know you're a f*****g idiot.
08:36Go for the man.
08:38I'm going to call the notifications fast mate, shouldn't you?
08:40Get yourself the way back in the pod school.
08:42Go on man.
08:43Idiot head.
08:44Why'd you come out and threaten him?
08:46Friend of him?
08:47He's just spat in my face.
08:48Cause you knew there was all they could do there.
08:50I don't condone what he did but I got a question for you.
08:52How am I?
08:53I've got a statement from a girl. I don't condone that at all.
08:56And I didn't know nothing about this statement. Sorry for interrupting.
08:58But I didn't know nothing about that.
08:59Well it backs up what you said about Vanessa. That's all I'm saying.
09:03Did you act inappropriately to one of his exes at that barbecue?
09:08No I didn't. Cause the only thing I did at the barbecue was standing in the kitchen cooking while they were outside having the barbecue.
09:13Did you send any messages on Facebook?
09:15Neck and his drugs.
09:16And where did Patsy disappear?
09:18Well she went nicked.
09:20And I'd have thrown you to find out where she was didn't I?
09:22Didn't I?
09:23Didn't I?
09:24Yeah.
09:25Where are you?
09:26It's not worth it.
09:28Right up watch.
09:29I'm telling you now.
09:30What is it like?
09:31You can't keep doing it.
09:32It does me head in.
09:33It might do but don't you understand.
09:35It doesn't matter.
09:36We're not going to make this work if you keep doing that.
09:39Prison.
09:40Seriously.
09:41No what that's for.
09:42Cause it's the last year I'll ever cry for me.
09:44Damn it.
09:45That's why I got that tattooed on.
09:47You are saying that since he came back into your life both of you are saying.
09:56He's been looking for trouble off him.
09:57Why?
09:58Drugs.
09:59Drink.
10:00Constant arguments with his ex-girlfriend.
10:04Phoning me up two, three o'clock in the morning.
10:06See here's my question Gordon right.
10:08Let me let me try and put this in basic layman's terms right.
10:11If he is just a fantasist which you told us.
10:15I don't even know why he's pulled this.
10:17This is what I'm saying.
10:18What does he get from making this up.
10:19If he's not telling the truth and you are.
10:21What does he achieve by causing trouble.
10:23That's what you think.
10:24I actually believe right.
10:26Genuinely believe that he wants a relationship with his long lost sister.
10:29He's blew that.
10:30He's blew that completely.
10:32What about you coming back into his life and taking him under your wing and trying to get
10:35him to behave.
10:36Tell him.
10:37It makes no sense.
10:38Just stop it Pete.
10:39This is about talking.
10:40If he taught me.
10:41Tell him.
10:42Why are you laughing.
10:43If you taught me yesterday.
10:44Because he wanted a relationship and he could just continue with the relationship yesterday.
10:46You wanted a relationship with me but nothing to do with him.
10:48That could have been arranged.
10:49I tried my hardest one.
10:50You didn't have to try and stir this rubbish to do it.
10:53How many times have I had to delete you off Facebook and read you and stuff.
10:56How many times.
10:57I've had you blocked until last week.
10:59I should never.
11:00Exactly.
11:01So why should I have to do that with me own sister.
11:02He's got to be drilling some sort.
11:03It's got to be him.
11:04Me.
11:05You were never like this when I was a Ben.
11:07I couldn't care what any of my four kids done.
11:10I wouldn't turn me back on them.
11:11I tried.
11:12Who was I talking to last night.
11:13You know what I mean.
11:14Not backstab them.
11:15Who I did.
11:16That's the point.
11:18You know what I mean.
11:19I haven't turned me back on you Peter.
11:20Family are not supposed to be like that man.
11:21I haven't turned me back on you.
11:22I'm just not willing to cuddle.
11:23I'm not supposed to be like that man.
11:24I'm not supposed to be like that man.
11:25I'm not supposed to be like that man.
11:26Love.
11:27Full of kisses and cuddles man.
11:28It's all about love man.
11:29Not all this **** man.
11:31Getting it in the neck off him and that man.
11:32I don't get it in the neck off him.
11:33He's got to be puzzling you.
11:34For you to turn on your family.
11:36See I don't be saying.
11:37The reason I want nothing to do with you Peter.
11:40I wouldn't.
11:41What you did five minutes ago.
11:43Just that respect.
11:44No.
11:45You don't even do that to your worst enemy.
11:48Let alone your sister.
11:49Have I ever.
11:50Do you know even if I did want anything to do with you Peter.
11:52After you've done that.
11:53No chance.
11:54Do I ever say anything about.
11:55You're a dirty animal.
11:56Do I ever say anything about.
11:57Animals and camels spit.
11:59Not brothers.
12:00Who want relationships.
12:01Why talk about me da like that right.
12:03If I don't talk about your da nothing.
12:05I don't see nothing about your da right.
12:07I know what.
12:08You didn't have him.
12:09You forget.
12:10Your sister doesn't pull us.
12:11Or my sister doesn't pull us you know.
12:12Lucky you.
12:13So it's alright for you to say.
12:14And b**** him.
12:15But I can't b**** somebody.
12:17Okay.
12:18Not me father man.
12:19He's dead.
12:20He's not trying to stand up for his cell man.
12:22So I'm going to do it.
12:23If I'm asking an opinion.
12:24Patsy can I tell you something.
12:26I'll give you an opinion.
12:27Patsy.
12:28That's why it's called an opinion.
12:29Patsy.
12:30Can I tell you something.
12:31And if I am wrong.
12:32I'll tell you wrong.
12:33Whatever.
12:34I'll tell you wrong.
12:35You'll see I'm a liar.
12:36Shall I tell you something.
12:37Shall I tell you something.
12:38All that front.
12:39It's all front.
12:40I haven't.
12:41Of course it is.
12:42But if you gave me a second.
12:43Try and tell you something.
12:44From the tattoo.
12:45To the threats.
12:46To everything right.
12:47And they agree with me.
12:48Because they gave him a round of applause.
12:50He wants a family.
12:51And you are.
12:52To him.
12:53Blood.
12:54And yes of course.
12:55He's got opinion about him.
12:56And maybe it's right or wrong.
12:57But he's basically screaming out.
12:59For a relationship with you.
13:01So why hasn't he torn me this.
13:03And if we could cut through the bull.
13:04Why has he done this to you.
13:05Because it.
13:06Have you never reacted in the wrong way.
13:07When you're frustrated.
13:08No.
13:09Have you never said something.
13:10Just to hurt somebody.
13:11Basically right.
13:12I've seen you do that on this show.
13:14I am not sticking up.
13:15For any of his behaviour today.
13:16It's wrong.
13:17But I genuinely believe.
13:18He wants a relationship with his sister.
13:20We could lose him.
13:21That's idle threats.
13:22It's about you two.
13:24But he.
13:25He knows you not.
13:26If he phoned me and said.
13:27Will you come meet me.
13:28Would I go and meet them.
13:29Is he your brother.
13:30Half brother.
13:31Yeah.
13:32And he sits there.
13:33With that false grin on his face.
13:34Right.
13:35That's what I meant about your dad.
13:37You're trying to live up.
13:38To what your dad was.
13:39He doesn't.
13:40Which isn't a bad thing.
13:41I don't do.
13:42So you're all front.
13:43Your dad was a hard nut.
13:45My dad was also a soft gentle giant.
13:46I wasn't.
13:47I wasn't.
13:48You seem to be missing that bit.
13:50I never thought I would say this.
13:52He just needs.
13:53He just needs.
13:54A smack around the head.
13:56No he doesn't need a smack around the head.
13:58He basically needs.
13:59Right.
14:00He needs something to hang his hat on.
14:02Family.
14:03Substance.
14:04Something.
14:05Some foundation.
14:06And what we get lost in is.
14:07Is you.
14:08And do you know what.
14:09I don't know whether you did flirt.
14:10It's not even anything to do with him.
14:11It's not about Gordon.
14:12It's about you and her.
14:13Exactly.
14:14It's about you and her.
14:15But she's right.
14:16Now forget.
14:17Because you could go out and meet each other.
14:18Why not?
14:19Why?
14:20It's not about going to a house.
14:21Why can't you come round and meet me?
14:22Because I don't like him.
14:23I don't live with him.
14:24But that's her choice.
14:25You're wasting time.
14:26We almost got there.
14:27Look at me.
14:28You don't have to go to a house.
14:29He doesn't have to be involved.
14:30I want to ask you a true question.
14:31And this is genuine.
14:32You want a relationship with her like anything.
14:33Don't you?
14:34Well of course I have.
14:35You see that five times in 20 years.
14:36Of course I have a relationship.
14:37I don't believe.
14:38And so does this entire audience.
14:39And I am simply saying.
14:40If we can get past.
14:41I don't just believe it.
14:42Right.
14:43If we can get past Gordon.
14:44You can't tell her who to be with.
14:45Right.
14:46Hear me out.
14:47That's her business.
14:48She can't tell you how to live your life.
14:49But the two of you are related in blood.
14:50And isn't that worth working on?
14:52Isn't that the point?
14:53Yes.
14:54It's your attitude.
14:55I don't like it.
14:56And the way you've done it to her.
14:57Of course you don't like his attitude.
14:59And he doesn't like things about you.
15:00But you will not build a relationship.
15:02Unless you both learn to accept your lives as they are now.
15:05And talk and find a common ground.
15:07That's what today's about.
15:08He desperately wants that.
15:10That's all front.
15:11Right.
15:12And it's not right.
15:13And I don't condone it.
15:14And it's not.
15:15It doesn't matter about him.
15:16He could be the worst man in the world.
15:17That is her choice.
15:18You might be going out with a girl that she thinks is whatever.
15:20That's not the point.
15:21It's you two.
15:22It's you two.
15:23It's you two.
15:24I genuinely believe.
15:25And I never thought I'd say this.
15:27And probably people will disagree again.
15:29I think this guy is crying out for a relationship with you.
15:31He always has.
15:32Then why don't you at least offer an olive branch.
15:35And you might see.
15:36I have.
15:37Over the past eight months.
15:38You might see all the rubbish, which I don't condone, be dropped.
15:42Because you know what you just said to him?
15:44You did insult his dad.
15:45And he did insult your partner.
15:46And you know what?
15:47If you cut through that.
15:48Right?
15:49He probably needs you.
15:50But he's probably too much of a self-styled hardener to actually say sis.
15:54For him to come here.
15:55Right?
15:56For him to come here and go.
15:58I've only seen her five times in 20 years.
16:00He's the big man.
16:01Isn't he in Newcastle?
16:02He's worried that people will think.
16:03Now you've got an ego boost.
16:05I think he's looking out for you.
16:07Just both of you.
16:08That's what you want.
16:09Right?
16:10But there's no look out for.
16:11But you're not going to do that if you spit in her face.
16:12And you're not going to do it if you make threats about a boy.
16:14Stop it.
16:15You're not going to help are you?
16:18If she and he want to have a relationship that's their business.
16:21Well just go then.
16:22Just go.
16:23What?
16:24Just go.
16:25What?
16:26It's not about that.
16:28What did he do?
16:30Serious.
16:33Come on.
16:34Life's too short as your brother.
16:36At the end of the day Peter.
16:38You were all pally pally with me yesterday afternoon.
16:40And then asked me to get a phone call.
16:42Of these.
16:43Why do people do that?
16:44You haven't.
16:45That Gordon's haven't.
16:46Why didn't you just mention something?
16:48Like you listen to everyone else.
16:50Are you listening to everyone else what they've said about him?
16:52No?
16:53All right.
16:54But do you accept the way forward?
16:55If it's true.
16:56I believe it certain things.
16:57Because there's no proof.
16:58Inboxes or not.
16:59The only way this is going to work.
17:00If you accept her life.
17:01And you accept some of his life.
17:02And the two of you go.
17:03It can work.
17:04It can work.
17:05It can work.
17:06You took it too far.
17:07You don't want a relationship with him.
17:08No.
17:09Sorry.
17:10That's sad.
17:11I genuinely tell you after seven years.
17:12It's sad.
17:13It's not because of him.
17:14It's because of what you did five minutes ago.
17:15You have to apologise for what you did.
17:16Do you understand?
17:17If he apologises, can we at least sit and...
17:18You don't want to do it, do you?
17:19No.
17:20He's took it too far now.
17:21It's your choice, darling.
17:22It's horrible.
17:23It's a shame.
17:24I've got no...
17:25The two things I can't stand is spitting and biting.
17:28You just...
17:29And that means what?
17:30I didn't bite at all.
17:31You know what I mean?
17:32I'm just...
17:33You know what I mean?
17:34I don't know.
17:35You have to apologise for what you did.
17:36Do you understand?
17:37If he apologises can we at least sit and...
17:39You don't want to do it, do you?
17:40No.
17:41He's took it too far now.
17:42It's your choice, darling.
17:43It's horrible.
17:44It's a shame.
17:45I've got no...
17:46The two things I can't stand is spitting and biting.
17:48You just...
17:49And that means what?
17:50I didn't bite at all.
17:51I am...
17:52Can I tell you something I don't in any way can dome what you did and spitting is as disgusting
18:08I'll tell you something which I didn't think I'd say because if you cut the smiley face
18:16and you cut all the stupid threats to me today that was you trying not in the best way
18:22to have a relationship and I can't fault you on that I can fault you on some of what you've done
18:26I hope she doesn't reject you because you've had enough of that sorry
18:29Give her a round of applause
18:30Now I recently got back in contact with Pete, Patsy and Gordon to see how they've been getting on since the show
18:39Pete said I haven't spoken to Patsy since I came to the show
18:42She's still sending me threatening messages but I just ignore them
18:44Things are great for me I have a job I've sorted my life out
18:47The show made me realise Jez that myself a Patsy will never get on
18:50And frankly now I'm concentrating on my future
18:52Patsy says being on the show with Pete confirmed we'll never get on
18:55It's best we go our separate ways
18:57He still tries to harass me with abusive texts but I ignore them
19:00Me and Gordon are better than ever we're getting on really well which is great
19:03And Gordon adds Patsy and I are getting on great
19:05I haven't heard from Pete since the show and I don't want to frankly
19:08Your show provided and proved what kind of person he is
19:11And we do not want him in our lives
19:13People come to this show and sometimes it is best just to go in separate directions
19:17I wish them all of course the very best for the future
19:20Right now you might remember my next guest Phil who came to the show to confront his ex Yvonne
19:23Who he said had walked out 25 years previously when she fell pregnant
19:27Now Phil claimed that because of this he'd only recently met his potential son Mark
19:31And admitted that DNA doubts had made it difficult to bond with him
19:34Let's take a look back look at this my friends
19:36This is about you and the ex Yvonne and importantly
19:41A 25 year old boy Mark who still to this day doesn't know the truth
19:45Explain to me why we've taken
19:47So long
19:48Yeah
19:49Well
19:5025 years ago I was seeing her
19:53We was actually in a relationship
19:56She'd finished with one chap
19:58Or she told me she'd finished with one chap
20:00And then after she told me that she was pregnant
20:06Yep
20:06I wanted a little bit of time on my own to get it all sorted out in my head and everything
20:13So let's just start at that point
20:14A woman who's young tells you that she's pregnant with your child
20:17And you decide to do one for a couple of weeks because you need to get your head clear
20:21That would send out a message to her wouldn't it
20:23That's right
20:23Just to let me think about it and what was going to happen
20:26Maybe she thought you were doing one and weren't interested
20:28Well when I went back a few weeks later to see her
20:31I found out she's already taken off
20:34With the guy that she was supposed to have finished with
20:37So the DNA doubts at that moment started
20:39Because presumably you thought
20:41There was a bit of doubt there
20:44Did she ever tell you to your face that you were, you weren't
20:47Or it was 50-50 or what
20:49She was always saying that he was my child
20:52Now if that was said to me but I had doubts
20:55I would have tried to have done something a lot sooner
20:57I did, I tried getting her to do tests or anything before
21:02But you say to my team she's a liar
21:04She's moved the goalposts a lot
21:06Yes, she has
21:07You also implied to my team that it's her who seems to call the shot
21:12She'll ring you and
21:13That's right, she always gets in touch with me whenever she wants to talk to me
21:18Or anything like that, you see
21:20What do you mean anything like that?
21:21You mean sex?
21:22Yeah
21:22This is what he said, he said that over the years she hasn't really cared about the sun
21:26It's about when she calls and wants me back
21:28Yes, she's wanting me to run like a little pup to
21:31When was the last time you had sex with her?
21:33January, I think
21:35So not
21:36Not that long ago, no
21:38It strikes me that the two of you have done whatever you've done and he is the victim in all of this
21:44Well, that's probably true
21:45Yeah, but you told my team she has used this situation
21:48Yes
21:49To get what she wants out of me whenever she wants and she
21:53She was restricting me from seeing the child unless I did what she wanted
21:57What, so she's saying you can't see the kid unless you have sex with me?
22:01Well, more or less
22:02Even though he's an adult at 25?
22:04Correct
22:05She's still trying to control him and control me
22:09And you also imply that she's now doing it with the grandchild?
22:12Yes, she's also trying to stop me from seeing the grandchild
22:16So this lady is about to come on this stage
22:19Has manipulated a situation over the years with your son
22:23To her own
22:24To her own benefit
22:25If she wants you, you can see the child
22:27If you don't get involved, you're not his father, you're not involved
22:30And the same thing could happen with the grandchild as well, yeah?
22:32That's right
22:33Let's get her out
22:34Yvonne's on the Jeremy Karl Show that way
22:43Don't f*** at me
22:44How dare you sit there and say what you've just said?
22:49Because it's true
22:50Have I ever said to you that Mark has never been your child?
22:53And as for me wanting sex with you
22:56You and me wanting sex with you
22:58It's on the other foot round
23:00You say I'm a s***
23:01I'm a s***
23:02I'm a prostitute
23:03I lied to you
23:04I don't s*** lie
23:06I've never lied to you
23:07I've never cheated
23:08You don't swear
23:09I swear
23:10I do swear with you
23:11Because you're scum
23:12You are scum
23:13You are
23:14I didn't even want to come out and do this
23:17But I've come out
23:18You've got me shaking from head to toe
23:20I want to punch you
23:21Don't smirk at me Philip
23:22Just don't smirk at me
23:23You're scum
23:25You told my team there was nobody else
23:27It's 100%
23:28No there wasn't
23:29I've never slept
23:30When I met him
23:31I was in a relationship
23:32I left him to go with that
23:35For 25 years he says
23:37I slept with it
23:38I got pregnant to it
23:39It did a runner
23:40Not me
23:41It left me for three months
23:43So where was I to sit?
23:44Where was the three months?
23:45You left me for three months when I left
23:47No I didn't
23:48I was three months pregnant
23:49You never come to my door once in that three months
23:53Oh go away
23:54No you go away
23:55You fetch me a scumbag
23:56Can I
23:57You fetch me here
23:58How am I fetch me?
23:59Well you tell your son you wanted to tell him to get a DNA
24:02Can I
24:03That's what he's done so
24:04You've dragged me here
24:05For what?
24:06Can I ask you a question
24:07I asked for me phoning you for sex
24:09Did you have sex with him in January?
24:11Yes I did because we were back together
24:14But that
24:15Right
24:16Listen
24:17I have a guy on stage who says
24:19This woman has used this kid for 25 years to play games with me for her own ends
24:24I want to be a dad
24:26I asked him if he felt he'd done enough
24:28No he hasn't
24:29And Mark in all of this has been brought up to believe what?
24:33That Phil is his dad?
24:35I've not liked him Mark
24:36You've no doubts at all
24:37No
24:38And for you your argument is
24:40You, not me, are the one that's more interested in sex
24:44You're not interested in your son
24:45No
24:46Has he done enough for his son?
24:47Has he?
24:48No
24:49I should have done the DNA
24:50But all you do
24:51Why should I do the DNA?
24:52Why don't you do the DNA test?
24:55You're the one that's fetched us here
24:57Not me
24:58You've done it
25:00Is the DNA
25:01And look what you're doing to him
25:03Is the DNA going to say he's the dad?
25:05I hope it doesn't
25:07I don't
25:08Now after the break
25:09The man who was in the middle of this mess
25:11Yes, Yvonne's son Mark
25:12And
25:13We'll give them all
25:14Those all-important DNA results
25:15We're right back
25:16Have you really done enough for this boy?
25:18Well, I would say no
25:19But
25:20You've done nothing
25:21Nothing
25:22Because half the time I've never known where he was
25:24Don't say half the time
25:25Half the time this half the time that
25:26You've done nothing for him
25:28Thank you very much indeed
25:37Welcome back
25:38Before the break
25:39We met exes at war
25:40Phil and Yvonne
25:41Let's see how Mark reacted now
25:42When he joined them on stage
25:43To confront his potential father
25:44And get
25:45Those life-changing DNA results
25:47Take a look at this my friends
25:49Do you blame his mum?
25:50Yes
25:51Why?
25:52Because she never even let me know
25:54Where she was
25:55You've been desperate to have a relationship with this guy
25:59You've been desperate to find out the truth
26:01I wanted to
26:02I've heard about chomping at the bit
26:03But Mark is on the Jeremy Kyle show
26:05That way
26:11You don't know where I am
26:14You don't know where I am?
26:15I know where you are now
26:17But when you were growing up
26:18No
26:19You never know where I am
26:20You knew we was in
26:21My turn
26:22You've had yours
26:23My turn
26:24You've got to
26:25You've never known where I am
26:26How old was it when I asked you if I could come and live with you?
26:33When was that?
26:34Silence
26:35Yeah
26:36I wonder why?
26:37When was that?
26:38Eleven
26:39I asked you at eleven
26:40What hand?
26:41He said no
26:42He said no
26:43When you was eight you were living at my heart
26:44He said to me
26:45No
26:46You said to me
26:47When I asked you
26:48Crying, begging you
26:50If I could even just spend an hour with you
26:53What did he say, Mark?
26:54He said no
26:56I asked you if I could come for a weekend
26:58What did you say, Dad?
27:02Why are you making a face?
27:03Why don't you answer it?
27:04Cause he can't
27:05Cause he can't
27:06Because I was looking after two kids on my own
27:08No
27:09Cause you were more
27:10Are you gonna do
27:11Oh you're gonna
27:12Oh the mic
27:13No no no
27:14Come with me
27:15Absolutely not
27:16You're not running away pal
27:17Not in a million years
27:18You can take that microphone off
27:20And he and I will follow you down Manchester High Street
27:23Cause that boy is gonna know the truth today
27:26He needs answers
27:27Where are you going?
27:29Oh that's it, is it?
27:30You're throwing your
27:31Oh that's it
27:32You don't want that, no?
27:33So that, it doesn't matter to you
27:34That that could be your child
27:35If he is my child then fine
27:37Then do something about it
27:38This is your last child
27:39I have one
27:40And I've tried to
27:41Don't start on me
27:42Well the mother's not here
27:43He's there
27:44Listen to your son
27:45She's nowhere to be seen
27:46Park your backside
27:47And do what's right
27:48You can't do
27:49You can't
27:50Come have a seat
27:51Just relax
27:52Just relax
27:53Come with me
27:54Get me my microphone
27:55Can somebody get me
27:56You ain't doing this to me pal
27:57Well actually it's not me
27:58It's him
27:59Can you get me my microphone
28:00Steve
28:01You say you walked out on him 25 years ago
28:02Now you're doing it again
28:03Now he's 25 years old
28:05You can't come out here and say
28:07I want a relationship with my son
28:09And then just do one
28:10Come up
28:11He deserves answers
28:15You can try and do that pal
28:17But it ain't
28:18Oh we're gonna shut the door now
28:19Are we
28:20Well we're gonna open the door
28:21Because your son wants to know the truth
28:22He knows the truth
28:23I tried to have a relationship with him
28:25Well why don't you speak to him
28:27Where's the microphone
28:28Thank you very much indeed
28:29What do you mean?
28:30What do you mean?
28:31My microphone
28:32Don't touch it
28:33What do you mean?
28:34I have tried
28:35And every time I've tried
28:36Yvonne's put the moscas on
28:37Well I'll tell you what we'll do
28:38Yvonne and I
28:39One second listen to me
28:40Yvonne and I are gonna say absolutely nothing
28:41And you if you are half there for a minute
28:43I'm gonna have my son
28:44What do you tell her?
28:45You
28:46You are gonna look your potential son in the eyes
28:48And hold that
28:49And she ain't gonna say now
28:50Neither am I
28:51Because this fantastic young man
28:53Fantastic young man
28:54Deserves an answer
28:55But I think you're mad enough to give it
28:57Because you know what you've done wrong
28:58So hold that and answer him
28:59And we won't say a word
29:00Go on
29:01Answer your son
29:02I always wanted a relationship with you
29:03I always wanted a relationship with you
29:04I always wanted a relationship with you
29:05Look at me not a word
29:06Look at me
29:07I always wanted a relationship with you
29:08Look at me
29:09Then why didn't you try harder?
29:10You knew where I were
29:12I was in s*** for 25 years of my life
29:15Yes
29:16Yes but a minute ago you were where I were
29:18You were always with different men
29:20So why should I
29:21That's a lot
29:22You are gonna take five with Graham out there
29:24Please
29:25I want your son
29:26You are in the nicest process
29:27No you're not gonna do anything like that
29:28I promise you'll get rid of him
29:29And I'll talk to your son
29:30Potentially
29:31Go on
29:32What do you want to know?
29:33Why wasn't you there
29:36When I needed my dad?
29:38Why?
29:39Because half the time
29:41I couldn't get to you
29:42Because of your mum
29:43Where was my dad when I needed him?
29:45When I asked you
29:46If I could come and live with you
29:48Why did you say no?
29:50I don't want nothing to do with you
29:51Until you are 16
29:53Well do you know what?
29:55I've got some truth for you now
29:56I invited you to the wedding
29:58Because I wanted to make a bond with you
30:00Because I've had nothing to do with you
30:02For 25 years of my life
30:04Minus the odd couple of months
30:06Maybe
30:07See this isn't me
30:08This isn't his mother
30:09This is him
30:10Forget the wedding
30:11I don't want you there
30:13Right?
30:14But I do want the truth
30:16You had plenty of opportunities
30:18To be there for me
30:20And pardon the expression
30:22But you pushed it down the toilet
30:25Why?
30:26Because I wanted to know
30:28Who the father is
30:29Right I'll tell you what
30:30We'll do come and meet both of you
30:31We're going to go to the corridor
30:32We're going to do the DNA results
30:33So I'm going to say one thing to you okay?
30:34It's not about his mother
30:35Or his girlfriend
30:36That's a brilliant young man
30:38And I can tell by looking in your eyes
30:39That you
30:40Have not done enough
30:41Whatever you say
30:43I've been fetching up kids on my own
30:45Didn't fetch
30:46Excuse me
30:47We're going to find out
30:48Don't get angry with me for saying this
30:50But we're going to find out
30:51Whether the one that you had first
30:52You didn't fetch up at all
30:53Because you were more interested
30:54When you weren't having sex with his mother
30:56To go off and do the other thing
30:58We're going to do this
30:59That's what we're here for
31:00If you were in there
31:01And you were saying in a passion way
31:02You know dad
31:03You haven't been around
31:04Do you feel he could have done more?
31:0525 years he's not been there
31:07What more can I say?
31:08Absolutely
31:09Who's been there?
31:10And for you
31:11You've seen him over the last two years
31:12Two years
31:13You've had his child
31:14And you say it's had a major effect on him
31:15Not knowing that
31:16A and one
31:17It's verified that he's the dad
31:19And being two he hasn't known enough
31:20Well no to be honest
31:21He always believed he was the dad
31:22It's just Phil keeps saying
31:23Oh I'm not your dad
31:24He's not my son
31:25Why do you say
31:26Why do you say
31:27What do you want from today?
31:28You
31:29Last word before I did the DNA
31:30What's the ideal result?
31:31The truth
31:32Okay
31:33Let's do those all important DNA results please
31:34Have you really done enough for this boy?
31:36Well I would say no
31:37But
31:38You've done nothing
31:39Nothing
31:40Because half the time I've never known where you are
31:42Don't say half the time
31:43Half the time this half the time that
31:44You've done nothing for him
31:46Just
31:47You've done nothing
31:48Come on
31:49Son of me
31:50Nothing
31:51I've gone without clothes
31:52I've gone without shoes
31:53I've gone without shoes
31:54I know you have
31:55Can I reiterate something
31:56You're 100% sure
31:57But you said I hope he's not
31:58Why'd you say that to my son
31:59You said that?
32:00I didn't say I hope
32:01What did you say then?
32:02You scumbag
32:03That is not
32:04Oh you said
32:05Can I just stand over here
32:06Before I swing
32:07But you said you hope he's not
32:08Right?
32:09I really do hope you're not
32:10I hope he's not
32:12Alright
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32:56the recipient of both of your 25 years of games because you told me you were 100% sure.
33:01Yes, I was 100%.
33:02This kid, he's the victim.
33:05I'm sorry, I wrote it in that letter.
33:07I've told you everything in that letter.
33:09I don't think I've ever been so shocked.
33:10You thought that guy was your dad.
33:11And I thought he was his dad.
33:13I'm sorry, to you.
33:14No, don't apologise to him.
33:16He's scum.
33:18Why don't you apologise to your son?
33:20I've just apologised to my son.
33:22Oh, so that's all right, quarter of a century.
33:23I'm not apologising to him.
33:24You and he have had sex and not had sex when it suited you.
33:28And this is the victim.
33:28That's what I'm interested in.
33:29Are you all right?
33:31Shocked.
33:32Oh, my mate.
33:33Totally shocked.
33:34Sorry.
33:36But hey, the truth hurts, doesn't it?
33:38It's what I wanted.
33:39I've got it.
33:40The whole life you thought that he was your dad and you've been angry because he wasn't involved.
33:43And I thought he was his dad.
33:44Yeah.
33:45He wasn't, was he?
33:46No.
33:47What do you want to say to Phil?
33:47Because, I mean, you know, the guy's been lambasted today and he's not, I mean.
33:52So, you was led to believe he was my dad.
33:54That's right.
33:55And I kept telling you.
33:56All right, dignity now, pal.
33:59The reason you two are both guilty to a degree is because you've had sex on and off and he's
34:02been stuck in the middle.
34:03Should I tell you one thing that I do know?
34:05Go on.
34:06And listening to her as well.
34:08Not only will you be a great dad, but you've done really well for yourself with what you've
34:12had to put out with.
34:13If you want us to work with you and get the truth, I mean, I'm still shocked.
34:16I thought this was a story about a guy who was being your dad and wasn't around.
34:21You know, the one thing about this show, Graham and the team, we'll work with you, we'll
34:24do whatever we can.
34:24And if you want us to help you, and I mean that, find the absolute truth, we will do
34:28that.
34:28I know you say you were, but you've got to understand where I'm coming from here.
34:31I mean, this, hear me out, this is a story about a guy who for 25 years has simply wanted
34:37to have sex with you, and then if he does, he's interested, and if he doesn't, he's not,
34:41and he's been absolutely slaughtered.
34:43He's not the dad.
34:43This boy is the victim here today, and this boy will get every bit of help.
34:47Are you okay?
34:50Graham?
34:50Just hurts, though.
34:51Of course it does.
34:58All right, listen, I'm going to ask Graham and the team to work with you.
35:00We will definitely do whatever we can.
35:02Thank you very much indeed for coming on.
35:04Now, I recently got in touch with Mark, his mum, Yvonne, and Phil to see how they've been
35:08getting on since they were on the show.
35:09Mark says, I was heartbroken that Philip wasn't my dad, but although I no longer speak to him,
35:13I wish him the very best for the future.
35:15The relationship with my mother has gone downhill, and actually, Jez, we're not speaking
35:19at the moment.
35:19I'm not looking for my biological father, as I want to concentrate on my own family now.
35:24That's his right, of course.
35:25Phil says, after the show, I received an apology from Mark, which I accepted, and I have
35:29now moved on.
35:30I have no contact with Yvonne or Mark anymore, and I'm happy with my life.
35:33And Yvonne just adds, since the show, Mark and I are no longer talking.
35:37He's been sending nasty text messages calling me an unfit mother.
35:40I have nothing more to do with Philip as well, but I hope that I can rebuild in the future
35:44my relationship with my son.
35:46You've got to feel sorry for Mark.
35:48He found out that news, and I hope in time he can find out the truth and rebuild the
35:52relationship with his mum.
35:53Right, next we revisit Brian, who originally came to this show desperate to find out whether
35:57his fiancée, Anne-Marie, had cheated.
35:59Now, Brian said that his suspicion started when he found explicit messages which she had
36:03sent to another man.
36:04He came to the show to tell his future wife that, if she failed the lie detector, and he
36:08says he meant it, the wedding was off for good.
36:11Take a look at this, my friends.
36:13I refuse to marry a cheat.
36:15Fail the test and the wedding's off.
36:16Really?
36:17Yeah.
36:18Let's talk about you and Anne-Marie.
36:20How long have you been together?
36:21Three years.
36:22Important point is you have two kids together, 21 months and nine months, and I want to make
36:26the point, I always make the point about this show that, you know, you can come for a lie
36:30detector who can answer specific questions, but if there are problems in this relationship
36:35anyway, that's going to impact.
36:37Yeah.
36:37You say your sex life is almost non-existent, in your mind that means she must be having
36:41sex with somebody else, it's all a bit of a nightmare.
36:43Yeah.
36:44You genuinely believe that this girl's cheating on you?
36:47I believe so.
36:48You also, you saw some messages on Facebook, what did, what did they say?
36:55So how bad do you want to see my lady garments, down below.
36:59What?
36:59How bad do you want to see it, so how bad do you want to see my ****, basically.
37:03That's different from shopping, isn't it, to be honest.
37:09I mean, that's going to make you think more, but what I don't understand about you, you
37:12say that, on the one hand you sit here in front of me, you talk about these messages and
37:16I don't know what to believe, I've got two kids, there she is backstage, I don't know
37:19what to believe, I love this woman, I need her to do this, I'm just doing my head in.
37:22I get up in the morning, early in the morning, I look after me son, go down, change him,
37:27sort him out, me daughter wakes up, go upstairs, do the same, get her down, and then I'm cleaning,
37:31I cook, I clean, look after two kids, and she stays in bed till all hours in the afternoon.
37:37You tell my team she's lazy and she does very little.
37:40Yeah.
37:40Why the hell are you thinking of marrying her then?
37:42You don't trust her, you check up her messages and she's in bed on her backside all day,
37:45what are you doing with your life, what's the matter with you, why are you with her?
37:48I ask myself like that every day.
37:50You've just said on national television, the mother of your two kids, right,
37:54is a rubbish mum, is lazy, and you think he's having sex with other men, yeah?
37:58Yeah.
37:58Let's get her out, Anne-Marie's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
38:08I'm a rubbish mum?
38:10Yeah, really, I don't do nothing for my two kids?
38:13Alright then, what about every time I want to have my son?
38:16No, don't have, don't, don't have your son, I'll have him.
38:19He needs to sleep, but I'm always taking my daughter everywhere I go, yeah, and then
38:24apparently you don't, well sit down, welcome Michelle, what about the fact you don't get
38:27out of bed until about three o'clock in the afternoon?
38:29Yeah, I admit that, right, honestly I do admit that.
38:31Well I'm really sorry to admit something to everybody else who might be watching this.
38:35I've got four kids, and I get up with them as well as my wife, and I go to work every day.
38:40Why don't you both get out of bed at seven o'clock in the morning?
38:43Why don't you go and look for a job?
38:45Yeah, I understand that, right?
38:47Why don't you go and look for a job?
38:49Why are you in bed?
38:50It's him not wants the job.
38:51No, no.
38:51I say I look after the kids, I'll go up.
38:53Why are you in bed until three o'clock in the afternoon then?
38:55It's not until three o'clock in the afternoon.
38:57Why are you not up?
38:58Like every other.
38:59No, but it's not.
38:59Yes it is.
39:00No, but it's not.
39:00Kelly's there to verify it.
39:01Oh yeah, Kelly's all this and that, isn't she?
39:03Yeah, yeah, because Kelly's been there when it's happened.
39:06Oh, whatever.
39:06And she's also been on the phone because she can never hear you.
39:09Yeah, do you want to know why?
39:10Do you want to know why she's always on the phone?
39:12Because you go crying to her.
39:14Every time we have an argument, you go crying to her.
39:16Oh, where we are actually having an argument.
39:19No, on the phone saying, oh yeah, she's doing this and oh yeah, she's doing that.
39:22Let's go to the messages.
39:23Have you cheated on him?
39:24No, I haven't.
39:25You're going to pass the lie detector.
39:26Might not be so rude.
39:27I don't quite know how to say this.
39:28How would you send on Facebook a message about your...
39:31That wasn't me.
39:33Because...
39:34Whatever you want to call it.
39:35How was that...
39:36To another man.
39:36Who sent that then?
39:38No one knows.
39:38Because he's the one that hacked back into my Facebook account.
39:41Hacked?
39:42Yeah.
39:42You found messages on his whatever, didn't you?
39:45Facebook or whatever?
39:46On his phone.
39:47On his phone?
39:49Well, it was all through my mate staying at our house.
39:53And I told him that she had feelings for him.
39:56Like she was falling for him.
39:57So you think he might have cheated with the friend?
39:59He admitted it.
40:00Did you...
40:01No, I didn't.
40:02Yes, you did.
40:02No, I didn't.
40:03I told her to get away from the door.
40:05You said to me...
40:05Yes, I did.
40:06I know what I said was you there.
40:07I was six months pregnant with Jessica.
40:09I was six months pregnant with Jessica.
40:10So you sent this message,
40:11which now makes sense to this other girl, right?
40:13Hi, how did you come to meet Brian and my son?
40:15I don't want to cause trouble or anything.
40:17I just want to know everything, please,
40:18because he's saying he doesn't know you or anything.
40:19I met him at Kelly's.
40:21She...
40:21That's the sister.
40:23Yeah.
40:23So your sister introduced you to this girl, right?
40:26I don't even know who the girl is.
40:28She hooked us up and started coming to see me every Thursday with them then go home.
40:31I swear I didn't know he was with you or even had another baby.
40:34He still keeps trying to contact me, but I just wanted him to leave me alone.
40:36I have done nothing wrong.
40:37That's the woman you contacted and she came back to you.
40:39Have you been cheating on her?
40:41No.
40:42How?
40:42When I've got the kids 24-7.
40:43Let's get Christine on that way.
40:52Ariel, can you, or have you got the right to call her a bad mum?
40:57She does everything for them kids.
40:59You sit on your...
41:00from morning till night playing the games.
41:03Are you there?
41:04No.
41:04I've been there and I've seen you.
41:06Have you been there?
41:07When was the last time you came to my house?
41:09I'll tell you the last time I was at your house.
41:10Go on.
41:10Christmas.
41:11That's when I was the last time I was at your house.
41:13Wow.
41:13Christmas.
41:13What month are we in now?
41:14I don't care.
41:15What month are we in now, may I say?
41:16I don't care.
41:17Because I have heard too much of what you have been getting up to.
41:21Oh, you've heard or you've seen?
41:22Because according to him, darling, welcome to the show, your daughter doesn't get off her backside
41:26until 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
41:27Well, that is a lie.
41:28Is it?
41:29Do you go like, I'm really tired to get up an alarm clock?
41:32No.
41:33No.
41:33I've spoken to Amarita earlier in the morning.
41:35What do you do on the internet like this?
41:37What am I doing?
41:38Hold on.
41:38That's nothing to do with it if my mum's on the internet or not.
41:42Supports your kids.
41:43Where was you the night your daughter was being born?
41:46Um.
41:47At home.
41:48I was getting my son.
41:49Yeah, go on.
41:49Yeah, go on.
41:50Who's the one that got used to talking?
41:53I did, actually.
41:54You's a b***h.
41:56I'm telling you.
41:57You're wasting space, mate.
41:59Right.
41:59I'm telling you.
42:01The waste waste space.
42:02Yeah, yeah.
42:03Okay, you've had your say now.
42:05Yeah.
42:05Right.
42:05It doesn't matter if my mum's on the internet or what.
42:08That's her.
42:08That's...
42:09Yeah, and I'm not for my kids.
42:10You're trying to say I'm not for my kids.
42:12Would you?
42:12The only one you're interested in is Caden.
42:15You've got nothing much to do with Caden.
42:16What are you interested in yourself?
42:18Eh?
42:19Me, myself, and I.
42:20But there was this accusation before the break.
42:22We saw some messages that, and you were showing this us backstage, Anne-Marie, that she, the
42:27one that's about to come out, Kelly, has actually been introducing other women to him.
42:31So desperate is she in the family to get him away from your daughter, who's a bad influence.
42:35Mm-hmm.
42:36Let's get her out.
42:36Kelly's on the show this way, guys.
42:38Oh, yeah, come on.
43:03Oh, my God.
43:05Well, why don't you grow up, then?
43:07I have grown up.
43:08Yeah, of course you have.
43:09And this girl that's in question, I do not know her.
43:13You'd much prefer your brother to be away from her, wouldn't you?
43:16At the start, yeah.
43:18Right, now, after this break, we'll look back at what happened when the lie detector results
43:21were finally revealed.
43:22Don't go anywhere, because I'm right back.
43:23I'm a thousand percent.
43:24He hasn't cheated.
43:25A thousand percent.
43:26He hasn't.
43:26What about her?
43:2764.
43:28All I feel sorry for is those kids.
43:30Bored into this.
43:31What an absolute joke.
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43:53Thank you very much, Adi.
44:02Welcome back.
44:03Before that break, we heard from Brian that the wedding to fiancée Anne-Marie was off.
44:06If she failed the lie detector, let's take a look at what happened when the results were
44:10finally revealed.
44:12Do you think your brother's cheated?
44:13No.
44:14Do you think she has?
44:15I'm a thousand percent.
44:16He hasn't cheated.
44:17A thousand percent.
44:18He hasn't.
44:18So what about her?
44:19Sixty-fart her.
44:21Sixty-fart her.
44:22Sixty-fart her mouth.
44:22I swear to God.
44:23Do you think that Kelly has cheated?
44:25No, not Kelly.
44:25If you've not cheated, I'll put you on one bite on your neck.
44:27Don't even go there.
44:27Do you think Anne-Marie has cheated?
44:29Fifty-fifter.
44:29What if she has?
44:31I hope we can try and start something up.
44:35Instead, it's all important lie detector results.
44:37Quite frankly, I don't quite know whether this is a relationship that could ever work anyway,
44:40but let me try and remember why we are here, which is two young kids.
44:43We'll start with you, Anne-Marie.
44:46We asked Anne-Marie since the study relationship with Brian.
44:48Have you had sexual intercourse with any other person?
44:50She said no.
44:51Why did she say no?
44:52Because I was telling the truth.
44:53She was telling the truth.
44:57Since the start of your relationship with Brian, have you had sexual contact with any other person?
45:03She said no.
45:04Because your girlfriend was telling the truth, my friend.
45:07Thank you, Anne-Marie.
45:10Too many people sticking their noses in.
45:12Too many messages.
45:13Too many networks.
45:14Since the start of your relationship with Brian, have you passionately kissed any other person?
45:18She said no.
45:19We have a phrase on the Jeremy Kyle show.
45:21She got a full house.
45:22She was telling the questions.
45:23Right.
45:24You're out.
45:27Don't tell anyone.
45:29Don't tell anyone.
45:30Right.
45:30Come on.
45:31You're not going to apologise then, Gobby?
45:33Or have you gone all quiet because your sister's been speaking for you?
45:36Why don't you say sorry?
45:37I was.
45:38Anne-Marie, I'm sorry.
45:39You brought her here.
45:41She's been telling the truth through everything.
45:43Yeah, but how does that make her finger, though?
45:45What?
45:46How's that?
45:46Being there for the kids.
45:48It's not so...
45:48I am there for my kids.
45:50I'm dying for my kids.
45:52How are you getting rid of the versus him?
45:53Well, what?
45:54Shut up, you.
45:55Can I ask you something?
45:55Why is he doing a lie detector?
45:57Because you suspect that this woman, and you say you're nothing to do with this, you don't
46:00know this woman, those messages are made up, and you are a thousand percent sure he's
46:04going to pass.
46:04Are you going to pass?
46:05Yeah.
46:05I don't even know who this girl is.
46:07We asked Brian since the start of your relationship with Anne-Marie if you passionately kissed any
46:11other person.
46:12He said no.
46:13No.
46:17You're a dirty little liar, aren't you?
46:20No.
46:20No.
46:21I think you'll find you are.
46:22Okay.
46:23Since the start of your relationship...
46:24You're a thousand percent sure what you're laughing now, are you?
46:27Since the start of your relationship with Anne-Marie, have you had sexual contact with any other
46:30person?
46:31Lover boy said no.
46:32Your boyfriend was lying on that question, too.
46:35Can I tell the truth, then?
46:37Because you're obviously irresistible to women.
46:39I can't quite work out why, but there you go.
46:41And you're loving this, aren't you?
46:42Foul-mouthed auntie who wants to fix it.
46:45Shut up!
46:47Oi!
46:48Shut up!
46:50I'm speaking.
46:51Shut your mouth.
46:52Since the start of your relationship with Anne-Marie, have you had sexual intercourse with any
46:55other person?
46:56He said no.
46:57Your boyfriend failed every question.
47:00You shouldn't be together.
47:01Your relationship is a joke.
47:04You've just discovered that he's cheated.
47:06What?
47:06Nothing?
47:07And you, you don't get...
47:08It's true, isn't it?
47:09What?
47:10You know that test is true.
47:11You lied, didn't you?
47:12No.
47:12Oh, you're going to say no.
47:13The test's not right.
47:14And she's delighted, because she doesn't want you anywhere near her.
47:17What do you mean?
47:18So she's delighted, because she didn't like me from...
47:19Then why don't you just, right, go in separate directions.
47:23Wait!
47:23You've got two kids.
47:25Go on, then.
47:25Would you not think the kids are more important?
47:27It's not some game.
47:28Go on, I'm not saying it's a game.
47:29So what's going to happen to the kids?
47:30They think it's a game.
47:32They think it's a game.
47:32I was willing to stay here and sort out for the kids' sake, but not our relationship.
47:37Our relationship is done.
47:38All I feel sorry for is those kids brought into this.
47:41What an absolute joke.
47:43Well, I recently got back in touch to see how things had been going since the show, and
47:47Brian tells us that myself and Anne-Marie tried to give things another go.
47:50Unfortunately, it didn't work out, but we're good friends, and we're bringing the children
47:53up together and supporting each other.
47:55Coming to the show, Jez, made me a better person, and I'm really, really happy that
47:58we did it.
47:59And Anne-Marie says, although Brian and myself aren't together, we're getting on much better
48:02now, and the show helped us get everything sorted out.
48:05And it's great to hear that, isn't it?
48:06You know, they've split up, Brian and Anne-Marie, but what they're concentrating on, which is
48:10the most important thing always, is those kids.
48:13Good luck to them.
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