The Jeremy Kyle Show 20th September 2018
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00:00On today's show, so she's pregnant with your ex-boyfriend's baby, yeah?
00:04Yes, to trap Ryan so he won't leave you. I will kick the baby out of you.
00:08Send that to you.
00:08No. I want Ryan back. I'm going to beat Melissa up tomorrow.
00:11We'll see you on stage. You're not getting him back.
00:14She won't be pregnant for long. Open my dead body.
00:16Forget it!
00:21Who the f*** do you think you are?
00:23I did everything for you. I gave you f***ing everything.
00:26Why are you saying horrible things about your mom?
00:28It's because she's evil cow!
00:32I put you into care because I can't care because you're a deaf.
00:37Watch me take her away because you neglected me!
00:42Yes, it was!
00:44I've got three!
00:47She checks your box is short.
00:49She has done.
00:49Clean ones or dirty ones?
00:51Dirty ones. I've been like, wearing them all day.
00:55What happens if he has cheated on you?
00:57It's like going back to lies for two years telling me he never did it.
01:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:03APPLAUSE
01:22Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:25Right, my first guest today.
01:26Jade is here to confront her ex-best friend, Kelly.
01:28Now, Jade says that Kelly is basically jealous of her as Jade now has a close relationship with Kelly's mum, Christine.
01:34She says, so many things have gone on today, says Jade.
01:37I'm going to tell that girl exactly what I think.
01:39Jade is on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
01:40That way.
01:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:44Got your slippers on on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Welcome to us.
01:51Hiya.
01:52Thanks for coming on.
01:53It's OK.
01:54This is a story and a half.
01:55I just want to lay out...
01:56Look at you.
01:57What are you looking for?
01:58I'm nervous.
01:59Don't worry, you'll be fine.
02:00What I want to do is I want to lay out the main people in this story.
02:04Kelly is...
02:05My ex-best friend.
02:07Brilliant.
02:07She was.
02:08She was a surrogate mother.
02:09You lived with her, then she threw you out.
02:11You're now very close to her mother, Christine.
02:13They have beef.
02:14But you're here to say...
02:15Well, to be honest, I'm here because, like, she has literally took the f*** out of her mum.
02:22Like, she's used her mum.
02:24She's took all her money off her.
02:28Let's talk...
02:28Don't...
02:29Be quiet.
02:29Not interested.
02:30Let's talk about you and Kelly.
02:32How long were your mates for?
02:33How close were you?
02:34I've known her for about a year.
02:35Well, it's not long, is it?
02:36How can you be her best mate after a year?
02:38You lived with her?
02:39Yeah, for two months.
02:40What was that like?
02:41It was...
02:42It was good.
02:43I mean, we...
02:44It was close.
02:46How did it go wrong?
02:47How are you now on the Jeremy Carr show, slagging her off?
02:50Because...
02:51I don't know.
02:51I hate her.
02:52For what a simple fact is, she's...
02:54She kicked you out, right?
02:55Yeah.
02:56That's a lie!
02:57No, it's not.
02:58Kelly looks happy.
02:59Go on.
03:01She...
03:02She's awful.
03:04She...
03:04Are you saying that because she kicked you out, because you lived with her for a while
03:07and you were friends with her?
03:07What's the change?
03:08Is the change not that you're now living with her mother, a woman who she says was a terrible
03:13mother and put her in care and didn't care?
03:15Is it not that you've just taken her mother's side, because you've got a roof over your head,
03:19so what's your beef?
03:20She says you've stolen her life.
03:22How have I stolen her life?
03:23Because you've got a mother and you're living with a mother and a mother who's never been
03:25there for her is now there for you.
03:27That's what she's telling her.
03:27Because she kicked me out.
03:28I've got...
03:28I've had nowhere to go.
03:30Yeah, but why does that mean you judge her?
03:31Why did she...
03:32Well, all right, let's ask the question.
03:33Why did she kick you out, sweet?
03:35Why?
03:36Because, basically, she was talking to my ex's girlfriend, which, obviously, she was
03:42my best friend.
03:43Right, this is Melissa, Kelly's...
03:44She was my best friend and she'll always be my best friend.
03:47Who?
03:47No matter what, Melissa.
03:48But you'll sleep...
03:48She's with your ex-boyfriend.
03:50Yeah.
03:51But I don't care if they're together or not.
03:53I don't care.
03:54But last night on messages, you were threatening to attack Melissa.
03:56Now you're on the Jeremy Kyle show saying you're best mates.
03:59You're jealous of the fact she's with your ex-boyfriend?
04:01No.
04:02Do you want him back?
04:03No.
04:03But if...
04:04So, I'm only trying to make sense of this.
04:06I'm trying to help.
04:07I don't really understand why you're here.
04:09Why are you here?
04:10I'm here to defend Christine.
04:12But it's almost like your beef with her is based on you're defending her mother, but
04:17you don't even know what went on between her and her mother.
04:19So, I'm asking you, judging on your two friendship of a year, why is it so bad?
04:25That's why I guess...
04:25I don't know.
04:26You don't know why?
04:27It's just got...
04:28It's just come to the point where I've had enough of people treating me like...
04:32Let's talk about you and Melissa a little bit more.
04:35Melissa was a friend.
04:37She was my best friend.
04:38And you were going out with...
04:40This is from her.
04:42Jade, I've never lied about being pregnant in my life.
04:44I've already had three pregnancies, so why am I going to lie?
04:47So she's pregnant with your ex-boyfriend's baby, yeah?
04:50Yes to track Ryan so he won't leave you.
04:52I will kick the baby out of you.
04:54Send them to you.
04:54No.
04:55What do you mean, no?
04:56Ryan don't love you or you're just a rebound.
04:58He still loves me.
04:59You told me that your best mate's with her.
05:01How can I have that and you tell me your best mate?
05:03You strength to kick the baby out of her, yes or no?
05:05No.
05:05Well, who sent that then?
05:06I don't know.
05:07What do you mean you don't know?
05:08You're going to tell me it was hacked.
05:09I want Ryan back.
05:10I'm going to beat Melissa up tomorrow.
05:11We'll see on stage.
05:12You're not getting him back.
05:13She won't be pregnant for long.
05:15I over my dead body.
05:16Come on, sweetheart.
05:18Come on.
05:19Help me out.
05:19Did you send those messages?
05:22Did you?
05:23Why?
05:24Because they're disgusting.
05:25Yeah, I know they are.
05:29Shall I tell you something?
05:31This story is twofold.
05:33This isn't just about Christina and her daughter have a bad relationship.
05:36It's about you.
05:37Have you stolen her life?
05:38I don't care whether you have or not.
05:39I don't like the fact you think it's all right to say to a woman,
05:42I'm going to kick the baby out of you, okay?
05:45Because you're jealous that she's with your ex.
05:46I'm not.
05:47Well, then why did you send the messages?
05:48Because I was angry.
05:49Melissa's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:59Sorry, you know, this story this morning,
06:02that's what happens with this show.
06:03Why are you looking at her like that?
06:05You sent the messages, yes or no?
06:06No.
06:07You're a liar.
06:08You just admitted you did.
06:10Yes or no?
06:11Why?
06:13Yeah, why?
06:13I'm not bothered if they're together.
06:15I don't care.
06:16The message says, I love you.
06:17You're on a rebound.
06:18He still loves me.
06:20Why are you two at loggerheads?
06:22You used to be friends.
06:23Why are you going out with her boyfriend, I guess?
06:25Talk to me.
06:27It's complicated.
06:29She used to beat him up all the time.
06:31Control him.
06:32Did you used to beat him up?
06:33You used to beat a bloke up all the time and you want to basically...
06:41No, because I thought he was going out cheating on me, so why am I going to be in a relationship with someone who's going to do that?
06:46I could obviously come from a different planet, but sometimes if you think people are cheating on them, perhaps the best thing to do is to leave them, not beat the living daylights out of them.
06:53Obviously, I come from a different planet, but my problem here is, this was sort of...
07:00Why are you moving the chair?
07:01This was peripheral to the story that I was told was important.
07:04Now you're saying nothing.
07:05You're with this guy.
07:06What's his name?
07:07Ryan.
07:07And you're happy with Ryan?
07:09Yeah.
07:10We've got a statement from Ryan, I think, actually, that's just literally come in quite quickly.
07:14I was in a relationship with Jade for no longer than five months.
07:17She was nothing but jealous and controlling.
07:20I left her for Melissa, but I never cheated.
07:22That's not going to go down too well if you leave one friend for the other.
07:25All Jade does is constantly harass me, posts nasty messages about me, and he's trying to break up my new relationship.
07:31Mel and I are very happy, and now we're having a baby.
07:34But Jade has even been messaging Melissa, saying she will rip that baby out of her.
07:41Jade is ridiculous and jealous.
07:43She needs to leave me alone, get on with her own life and stop trying to break up mine.
07:48I don't want her anymore.
07:50Can you get her to understand that?
07:56Come on, babe.
07:56I mean, I'm given...
07:58That's the beauty of this show.
07:59It goes in different directions.
08:00I'm given a story this morning that apparently you've upset Kelly
08:04because you've stolen her life by moving in with her.
08:05Well, how have I stolen her life when her mum took me in?
08:06I'm not interested in that.
08:07I'm interested in about a woman who comes on national television, age 22,
08:11who seems to think it's acceptable to send a message saying,
08:14I'm going to rip the baby out of you.
08:16Because that isn't acceptable, isn't it?
08:18Right.
08:20At this moment, in the slightest bit interested in Christine or Kelly,
08:23I'm interested in how you think that can happen.
08:25But then your problem's very simple.
08:27Well, your boyfriend left her for you.
08:30You know what he's capable of.
08:31That's your best friend.
08:33I'm not condoning her messages,
08:34but if your best friend ends up with your partner,
08:37what went on behind her back?
08:38Were you at it secretly?
08:40No.
08:40Well, then why did he leave you for her?
08:43Because he didn't want to be with her.
08:44So he must have been messaging you.
08:45You must have laid it out.
08:46You must have made it sorted.
08:48You must have organised it before.
08:50Yes or no?
08:51No.
08:51How would he go, I'm leaving Jade for...
08:54He split up with Jade, and then we got together after.
08:57How quickly?
08:58Not straight after.
08:59What, a day?
09:00No.
09:01A week?
09:02About a week.
09:03About a week, yeah.
09:05So in all of that time, it had been sussed.
09:07So she would be annoyed.
09:08That's true.
09:09That's what we're talking about.
09:10Yes or no?
09:10Yeah.
09:11Right.
09:11It's all right for you going around Ryan's back, though, isn't it?
09:14I wasn't that.
09:15Yes, you was.
09:16No, I was not.
09:16I was not.
09:18Are you still in love with Ryan?
09:22Not any more, no.
09:23Then why are you sending messages like that, Jade?
09:26Because I was angry and I was hurt because of what they've done to me.
09:29Right, so tell her that.
09:29It hurt me because when they got together...
09:31Tell her.
09:32When you two got together, it hurt me completely and it destroyed me.
09:35And I didn't know what to do.
09:37You was my best friend and I still care for you, Melissa.
09:39You'll always be my best friend.
09:41I'll never forget about you.
09:43Like, we've come to a loggerhead because of this.
09:46Yeah, I know that.
09:47And, like, you was my best friend.
09:49I don't care if you and Ryan are together now.
09:51Yeah, but, Jade, it's every...
09:52Since when?
09:52Last night when you said, I'm going to kick the baby out of you?
09:54Jade, it's every day.
09:55No, I know that.
09:56And, obviously, I don't condone what I've done.
09:57It's acceptable.
09:58I understand that.
10:00Obviously, it was...
10:01I said some harsh things about that.
10:02OK.
10:02Well, you understand why I had to...
10:03I understand you, Jeremy.
10:04I had to confront you on that.
10:06That's disgusting, man.
10:07I know.
10:07To anybody.
10:08Whatever your motivation.
10:09And I said some horrible, harsh things to him, to her and Ryan.
10:12But I also understand not what you did.
10:15You've got...
10:15You know, she's just put an olive branch there, mate.
10:17You should be saying, I'm sorry I ended up with your ex,
10:20because, essentially, I...
10:21How many times have I said to you, I'm sorry?
10:23It just happened.
10:23Yeah, I know that, but I just don't...
10:24Because people are telling me that you're sleeping with him behind my back.
10:27I know.
10:28We lived in a shared house.
10:30Too many guys live in that house.
10:32You know that you was always upstairs.
10:34And it's hurt me that it's come to this, that we fell out over something stupid.
10:38Yeah, I know that, but at the end of the day, it's every day you always argue all the time.
10:43Standing for ex.
10:44Yeah, because I'm hurt, Melissa, still.
10:46I'm hurt by it.
10:47Like, obviously, it's going to take me time to get over it.
10:50I just want to ask you one thing before I go to the break, right?
10:52Right, you're now living...
10:54This story started about Kelly, a woman that you befriended, you lived with,
10:59she kicked you out, then you ended up living with her mother, right?
11:02And Kelly being angry.
11:04But Kelly has also come between you two, hasn't she?
11:07Kelly, is Kelly a friend of yours?
11:09She was a friend with both of us.
11:11What's happened now?
11:12She's stuck right in the middle of this, isn't she?
11:13She hates you because she thinks she's stolen your mother.
11:15To be honest, everyone's stuck in the middle of everything.
11:19That's because you slept with your best friends, right, boyfriend,
11:22and that's because you sent offensive messages
11:24and Kelly's also responsible.
11:25She's after the break.
11:26Don't go anywhere.
11:26Right back.
11:28You think you are?
11:29I did everything for you!
11:31You don't know what that was put me through, Jade!
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12:09Welcome back to the break.
12:11Jade and Melissa are on the show.
12:11One of the things that happens on this show
12:14is sometimes it goes in a completely different direction.
12:17You two were good friends.
12:19You slept or ended up with her partner.
12:22You're pregnant.
12:22You've sent some messages.
12:23You say I was wrong to send.
12:25I was wrong.
12:25But I was angry.
12:26We didn't have the best relationship.
12:28But what's important is your friendship.
12:30Now, Kelly, who's accusing you of stealing her mother, right?
12:34That's another story.
12:35You're close to Kelly.
12:36You're at Log Edge.
12:37Let's get Kelly on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
12:44I'm listening to you.
12:46I can't give you everything.
12:48And it wasn't the first time you've been at my house.
12:52It's been a three or four times.
12:53Why are you saying terrible things about your mom?
12:54Yeah, why?
12:55Because she's an evil cow.
12:59You don't know why that woman's put me through, Jade.
13:02He gave me three points then.
13:05Jamie, you don't f***ing understand.
13:09Sorry, Jeremy.
13:13So many different layers to this story.
13:15Kelly, let's talk about you and your mom, Christine.
13:18Not a great relationship.
13:20Put into care at what age?
13:2212 months.
13:23Explained.
13:24Have you ever been close to her?
13:26I tried.
13:27But she always picked men over me.
13:31And now...
13:32Yeah, you f***ing did!
13:34That's really wrong!
13:37Yeah, all right.
13:38Can you put the camera on me?
13:39Yeah!
13:39That's mummy.
13:42I've got a saying now, because I'm sick and tired of people using it.
13:45So you didn't kick her out?
13:46I said to her, you walk out my door, don't bother coming back.
13:50Then I came back and you told me to leave again.
13:52That's because I told you.
13:53I'm sick of it.
13:55Yeah, better off that.
13:56What are you sick of?
13:57Yeah, better off without you!
13:59Right, that's it.
14:01Christine's on the Jeremy C...
14:03Come on, then.
14:12Yeah, come on.
14:13Yes, it can slow, don't you?
14:15Yes, it can.
14:16I put you into care, because I can't cope.
14:19Because you're a d***.
14:20What?
14:20Me taking away?
14:22No, it wasn't.
14:22Because you neglected me!
14:24Yes, it was!
14:27I've got a p***y friend!
14:29I've got a p***y friend!
14:33What I've got!
14:34I was talking to someone last night.
14:36Really?
14:36Yes, really?
14:37So you really think it's alright to go and say?
14:41Yes, yes, yes.
14:42Say I wish you were a p***y dead!
14:44No, I'm a d***y!
14:45I'm a d***y!
14:46You know what?
14:47Oh, yeah.
14:48You faxed in a mess.
14:50Oh, yeah.
14:50And we've been there.
14:51Yeah, we're for a month.
14:52Yeah, but what about this f***y face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face face
15:22at five but now you're living happily with Jade who is you describe is the
15:26daughter you never had how do you think that would make your real kid feel bad
15:34but she's okay she's never bought me nothing you gave your kid up so the
15:44rest of us could play for and then you expect her to buy you something you
15:47selfish useless people sorry whatever the situation I'm talking now what about
16:01sorry I wasn't the greatest mother there were situations not your use is that
16:04you were the mother and you caused this because you didn't do what you should
16:09have done you should be apologizing to her apologize to her because she shouldn't
16:14be a mother then put things on Facebook oh no what does it say my mother's what
16:19what does she sound face no no are you what is she my face but it was Jade are
16:24you honestly basing your relationship with your kid on something I don't want to
16:28be dead how have you yeah there's somebody else's responsibility again yeah
16:32yeah I don't want to back at all she doesn't want you back then yeah and this
16:37is gonna really hurt you oh my mom is my adopted mom so I don't be your doctor they
16:43don't even want you you don't even want yeah yeah you don't want you to want
16:49yeah yeah yeah I mean you're you're your Graham's in the audience you're
16:58Christine's partner what a foul-mouthed disgusting horrible example of a
17:02mother your partner you put your kid into care and I will acknowledge that not
17:16pouring to care it was a father what put in it you were putting yourself first before
17:26you're your kid is it not the truth that you were probably better off being where
17:32you were than being with this woman you years later let's say we accept that the
17:36situation was difficult you're not apologetic about this girl you call her
17:40every name under the Sun and then you take a friend of hers into your house and
17:45tell the whole world and I'm not interested in listening to your pathetic
17:49ramblings about Facebook that this is the daughter that you would always have
17:52wanted and she's this and she's there which would explain her bitterness then
17:55we've got you to the surrogate daughter who lost her partner to her best friend
18:01which would annoy but thoroughly admit that you shouldn't have sent the
18:03message I realize that how do you then let me give you benefit of the doubt for a
18:10minute right you're um you admit quite maturely that you shouldn't have sent
18:16those messages right what do you think as a woman listening to that because I
18:21couldn't defend that if I was paid all the money in the world the way I don't
18:26know whether you've got kids or not but if I was in a position where I had to give
18:29my children up and whether it was 20 or 25 this woman I cannot understand that
18:35this woman is a mother the onus is on her as an adult not to throw you in her
18:40face but who actually try and explain and make amends for the part how can you sit
18:44next to her talking to her daughter the way she did it's disgusting how because you and
18:51Kelly were best friends she did everything for you and now you're siding with that
18:55against Kelly that's the reality that's the reality of this story not the rest of
19:00it that's the story in one moment that's the story that's the story that's the story here whether you
19:10fell out or not there isn't anybody watching this that condone what Christine did to
19:14this girl if Christina come out right Jade and said to me you know what the world
19:19was a different place 20 years ago and I couldn't cope I was in this or I was in
19:23that and I'm sorry and I tried to see my kid but she slags this girl off as if
19:28it's this girls for and now what has she done she's taken one of her friends moved
19:33her in and is using you as some sort of mouthpiece and that for me is the real
19:37tragedy of this story I understood your anger with the other one Melissa what you
19:42how you went about it was wrong but this was your mate long before that
19:46poisonous attempted a mother turned up wasn't it yeah even her own boyfriend in the in the
19:52in the audience is disgusted by the way she's spoken today you two were friends mate you need
19:57to put that right
20:02and I ask you a question Jay because you strike me as somebody's honest she move in
20:15with her mother because you knew it would hack her off yeah let's move forward Christine and she have
20:25beef getting involved in that beef is not going to do you any good at all what I like about you
20:30actually is your honesty out there you've put your hands up to the messages you've come back here and
20:35made an attempt to explain how you felt and I admire you for that but you shouldn't get involved in
20:40something that you're not involved in and then cost yourself I would say this friendship has more
20:46chance of lasting long term than anything you will or will not have with Christine and I would
20:51suspect and I'm not going to talk to Christine again because she annoys me I would suspect that
20:55Christine has used you love to score points by moving you in and using you as a stick to beat over her
21:03daughter's head by saying Jade's more of a daughter Jade's this Jade's that I don't think you're a bad
21:08person I think you've got a bit lost and I think you've been stuck in the middle of this and you've
21:12been used as a weapon to beat her over the head with it was her who showed you friendship first it
21:17was her who was there for you suddenly her mother you're on a national television show supporting
21:22her mother how anybody can support the way she's spoken today and the sort of thing she's not done
21:27as a mother is beyond me nobody can defend that you've apologized to Melissa you've said her
21:32friendship is important to you I would suspect that your friendship in the long term to Kelly is far
21:37more important than anything you will be promised and not get from that horrible woman sat on that stage
21:43that's why I think think about it all right is your mate you've been used you need to spend some
21:56time together we'll arrange that okay I'm going to a break back after this don't go anywhere she
22:01checks your boxers short she has done yes clean ones or dirty ones don't ones a bit very normal day
22:06what happens if he has cheated on you it's like going back lies for two years telling me he never
22:12did it since the start of your relationship with Kelly apart from what you've admitted to have you
22:17passionately kissed anyone else you said no why don't you say no Paul country
22:20I started this show 13 years ago and I wanted to help men fight to see their children I'm going to do
22:34everything I can to make sure he sees his kid
22:38be good for her yeah to help addicts change their lives there is nothing in the world that
22:45is a better option than this we'll get an intervention that will help you cope to give victims an important
22:51voice I'm going to make sure this boy has as much help and as much support and you can do whatever you want to reunite families
23:0039 years you haven't seen a Karen's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
23:06and of course as you know I believe that everybody should know who their dad is is your dad
23:12I don't know about you but I think we're doing a pretty good job if you're 16 or over and you'd like
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23:38it's not a cheat he says that she has been receiving screenshots from his Facebook account which show him
23:58chatting other women up but he is adamant that he's been hacked he says that Kelly is now going as far as checking his boxer shorts
24:04she thinks he's a cheat and he's had enough paul is on the jeremy karl show that way
24:19paul welcome to the show 38 been with kelly three years engaged for six months why are you here just enough
24:27for negotiations sorry just enough i'm sick of being called a cheat she listens to rumors when did they
24:34start buddy sit back and relax tell me it all started when my boy was conceived um she got a text
24:41message through facebook saying i was cheating what just out of the blue yeah just randomly out of blue
24:48she put on facebook that obviously we expected our son um a few days later a week later got this message
24:55from a source that i was with at the time um beforehand so you're putting it down to basically a
25:02jealous somebody from the past somebody who's jealous stirring it because you're happy and you've
25:08got to a point where you're in a relationship that's working you say to be honest though and i'm not
25:13trying to be disrespectful at all to either of you you say that you've got to a point where you feel
25:17like you can't breathe in your relationship what do you mean by that which is the little slightest remark
25:22arguments we argue more and more over the stupidest little things you say she's paranoid
25:27yeah yes she is to a degree you work as a bin man you say i can't even come over and have a shower
25:33without her thinking i'm i'm doing the dirty behind her back she checks your boxer shorts she has done yeah
25:40clean ones or dirty ones 30 ones i've been wearing them all day um i mean presumably if you work in
25:53the bins there's going to be you know you're going to be surrounded by that during the day so you need
25:57to come home and have a no bin juice then no nice um you say my account was hacked you say that the impact
26:07on my relationship has been awful there's no trust and you say that um when it proves i'm not a cheat
26:13because this is really the ultimate for you to have to come here in front of people and admit that
26:16you're innocent has been difficult but you're very you're very keen to do this because you love her
26:21um her daughter emma's in the audience are you all right to talk yeah welcome to the show m17 um
26:26what's your view of this situation it can't be easy watching this and listening to this no not really
26:31what's your view do you believe he's a cheat not really like there's some times where you can
26:38prove like it's a bit odd sometimes but you say i'm just so sick of my mum crying all the time
26:46yeah um and it's difficult not to blame him when you see that going on um she did say that if you
26:52have cheated on on her mum she won't take too kindly to that have you cheated no not at all
26:59now your mum's quite nervous um kelly i'm told it doesn't want to come on stage which makes it
27:03really easy we run around like headless i'm just going to have a quick word with her because i
27:06understand day like this big thing we do every day but to come on screen for many people is difficult
27:11so just have a quick word with her all right yep i'm not that scary you're not what is the whole
27:18situation yeah welcome to the show my darling you're right i like your daughter um you've got this look
27:24like that which is you don't really want anybody to be involved in this not really tell me what's
27:30going on babe what happened we were trying for a baby found out i was pregnant put it on facebook
27:38so happy as you do tell you it was whirlwind swept me off my feet everything was perfect
27:44it's like the bins just swept you off your feet was he covered in bin juice it was brilliant everything
27:51was just brilliant and then i get a message off of these random people saying i need to watch out
27:57for him because he's messaging them now you can put that down one person to maybe a bit of jealousy
28:03without being specific because that particular person can't be identified but that's not just the
28:07one message that's been more than one right there's two um the first duty ahead was when everything's
28:14meant to be absolutely perfect and we're having a baby getting married killed me and it hasn't
28:21recovered from that what happens if he has cheated on you it's over it's not going back lies for two
28:27years telling me he never did it it'll be over is this the is today like a somewhat thing that you
28:34never thought you'd have to do but it's the last resort because you want a definitive answer yeah
28:37do you love him very much you're going to come out why not i can't why because if he's lying it's
28:45going to break me do you want your daughter back here with you i'll tell you what let's get let's
28:51get you paul and let's get emma around here if we can do that that's fine i completely respect that
29:04right dan do you want to sit just move up you sit with your mum paul here um what what i mean i
29:08don't know look you've you've told me this story and i can put it down to maybe somebody from your
29:13past jealously digging but this goes deeper with you doesn't it tell him how it makes you feel
29:22darling breaks me it breaks me to see you like this
29:26hey i've never ever ever ever checked a man's boxes i've never been jealous person i've never
29:34ever it's completely alien to you the way is it driving you nuts just why are you doing it then
29:39is it because i mean see some people watching this would go she must know something or she must suspect
29:46something or whatever but others would go is she just paranoid even cheated on before yeah is that the
29:52reason i mean is there anything is there anything in your relationship that's happened that could
30:00make you think that anybody would have a a point to prove or anything like that the message it's just
30:06the messages let's do those results if we can um i are you all right yes i can only read them out um
30:13as i'm asked to read them out thank you for coming to do this um we have a note from the examiner
30:17before the test paul admitted to a sexual encounter with another person i don't want to embarrass you
30:22whilst you were present okay right okay he also admitted to hugging another woman on one occasion
30:28whilst picking up his tools from our house do you understand that which tools was never mind um
30:33since the start of your relationship with kelly apart from what you've admitted to have you
30:37passionately kissed anyone else you said no why did you say no paul okay in truth this test says you're a
30:41liar
30:47come on me kelly kelly darling come here kelly kelly come here can you get me aftercare please where are
30:57they shut that door darling please
31:06i haven't kissed anyone go away from me
31:11he failed every single question every single question
31:17i don't know how and i know by looking at your face exactly that it's true so don't even try it
31:22with me pal horrible tell her the truth i have been no why did you fail every question then
31:30i don't know i haven't i do because you're lying it's called a lie detector i take no pleasure from
31:34this kelly look at me kelly well actually don't look at me stewart is here the team are here and i
31:39promise you one thing sweetheart look at me a million percent support look at me
31:47too many people on this show get cheated on and then they go back in the same taxi or whatever you
31:52are better than that sorry about that your thoughts
32:00god admit it come on i haven't cheated so i don't know why don't you fail the test then i haven't got
32:06a clue but i haven't cheated on that that's the last thing i would do what's the test wrong is it
32:10no it's not wrong so you have cheated then i've done something well if you've done something you'd
32:15know about it wouldn't you so why don't you be big enough to admit to him oh i'm cheating
32:20though what i'm cheating well then how have you failed it because you just said i must have done
32:25something which is why i failed the test so what little thing comes into your egg come on there's
32:29nothing
32:32you know he's done something kelly don't you
32:37sweetheart look at me i know people who go i say this every day but this is the low point
32:42nobody deserves that and you will rise from this look at me be strong
32:47we'll look after you okay sorry
32:51be strong it's true all yours thank you very much indeed
32:59good luck to them we'll let you know right my next guest today claire is here to tell her sister's
33:03ex-steven he's nothing but a manipulative control freak now claire says that when her sister became
33:08pregnant she told steven there was only a 50 50 chance he was the father as she'd had a one-night
33:13stand although claire says he's stuck by the kid she hopes today that dna proves he's not the dad
33:18so all of them can be rid of him for good interesting story claire's on the car show that way
33:30how are you fine i don't understand understand understand what you're out here slacking off
33:38steven who used to be with your sister yeah who might or might not be the father to your niece or
33:46nephew please your opening line is he's a control freak who's not welcome into our family yes but
33:53we're doing a dna test because your sister slept with somebody else and doesn't know who the father
33:59of her baby is despite the fact that all of you admit that this poor man has been there provided
34:04financially and emotionally why are you having a go at him why don't you have a go at your sister for
34:08not only the father and the baby is he hasn't been there financially he can buy you stuff and then
34:17he'll expect the money back off my sister he doesn't know if the kids is because she cheated on him
34:22did she apparently was on a break i mean he's a terrible father but then on the other hand
34:30she says uh you know he's been around so i don't know why i mean i get it if you don't like the
34:37bloke but actually he's done more than a lot of people do hasn't he no not really well what do you
34:41expect him to do step up and be there what do you mean for my sister and for my niece and he doesn't
34:48he's on the xbox all day all night and sleeps all day she runs after him she has to get him up for
34:53appointments are you more of the opinion that he's not good enough for your sister would that be
34:58if he stepped up he would be instead of being a bum and sat around doing nothing
35:06isn't it true that she tried how was the child by the way she tried to do the dna before she had
35:12the test she had the money he hit the test and said no it wasn't happening so that would be annoying
35:18yep do you think that he did that because clary didn't want to know the truth because
35:24is he still in love with her i don't know is he just a demotivated sap is that what we're talking
35:30about yeah when you say i hope he's not the dad it would be better off for everybody what do you mean
35:38it could leave her alone and she could get back to her normal self do you think that would kick her
35:41out the back suddenly like make her in a way i'm getting i'm getting you now do you think it would
35:46is he almost got this stranglehold over her really so for you and the family's point of view it would
35:50be great if he wasn't yes definitely what if he is we'll have to deal with it do you think he is no
35:56why she doesn't look nothing like him at all who put his name on the birth certificate he made her do it
36:05my mum went with her to put to do register her and a week and a half later they went back because he made
36:10her pour it on um he says natalie's family hate me for no reason i brought up my potential daughter
36:16for two years she cheated on me and then dumped me and all i do is care about this child and all they
36:21do is slag me off you've got to say that to him yeah you're right with that stephen's on the jeremy
36:25carl show that way sitting down how tall are you eight foot seven what'd you say
36:42well i sort of i sort of get this is what i don't really understand because
36:46well she doesn't like you basically she hopes to god the child's night where's wendy
36:49uh who's wendy i'm here natalie's mother who's mother natalie's my sister do you not like him
36:58either no i don't why not he's a waste of space he controls natalie he doesn't like the family jeremy
37:06you don't like your being with me 24 7. no she's not 24 7 24 7 and she's not
37:14no she comes to see me you don't like it she goes running no yeah no if it ain't you it's her
37:23come on then if it ain't her it's me ma'am yeah pardon her excuse where where is me ma'am yes i know
37:31which all died how long ago or just a week and it was a week didn't even bury jet and you're here i want
37:38a photograph of the ambulance i didn't ask for a photograph of the ambulance yes she did because
37:43she took it because it wasn't why would you want to photograph the ambulance to prove she died
37:47basically but i ain't at all exactly jeremy to prove my mother a dad yeah because of your mother
37:53he's crying now because sorry i'm really i'm really confused you can we get where's the other chair can
37:59you get me the other where's she gone now she's the one i want get me a chair so this girl where are you
38:05natalie's here yay oh my lord oi come here but don't stand next to me you're too tall come on
38:13where's she gone now thanks very much oh sorry about your head um sorry what's going where let me
38:21shut that door there come on now that's interesting here's the dynamic of this she's just told her
38:29sister who's been slagging her boyfriend off to go away can i speak to her please what's your name
38:33darling natalie look at me talk to me and nobody else what's the truth see this is ridiculous 50 50
38:39i told them to give it's a 50 50. did you cheat can you sit down mate did you cheat on her sorry
38:44wherever did you cheat on him yeah how do you feel about your sister coming out with your mother and
38:51slagging him off well tell her then because this is what i've been trying to say all day
38:56she doesn't like the fact that you're slagging her bloke off are you with him or not you don't know
39:03exactly you tell me you're not you've told me you're different yeah maybe you're putting too much
39:10pressure on and she make her own mind up mrs maybe that would be a nice idea she doesn't because you
39:15do that's why that's why this is so imbalanced because you're both out there telling him he's useless
39:20and telling her she can't be with him maybe you're putting too much pressure on them as i said it's
39:26up to where that's not to her you said you're hating but she's the one what's got to live with
39:32him not me natalie can you raise your head and talk to me darling why is he on the birth certificate
39:36if i'm told there's not a chance he's the father he has to be put on it did you why have you avoided
39:42doing a dna test that i heard i heard from this woman you could have done two years ago you bought
39:47one didn't you i asked he once he was pregnant i said once the baby can you do me a favor lady in
39:51pink and mummy come here i want to see these two they're they're the potential pair what what's the
39:55truth are you with this man or not it's i want to be with him but i don't know if he want to be with
40:01me we'll talk to each other i don't want to be with you i asked you even before ruby was born as soon
40:07as ruby was born i wanted a dnss doing and we said we'd sort it out then as soon as ruby's born
40:13no you don't want it doing i don't want i didn't want it doing because of the results
40:19the results was going to be either do you believe that you're the father or not i don't know at all
40:23what would it mean to you what would it mean to you if you were the world and and if you're not
40:29i don't know the family if he's not would see it as a reason and as a way to get him out of your life
40:36so my question to you is very simple if he is this is great if he's not will you be able to be with
40:42him or are you going to listen because these two i'm sorry i don't i don't care what you say
40:46there's a lot of blokes that haven't done an nth of what he's done he's done a lot more than most
40:49and you two patently don't like him but it's not really down to you but then it is if you're slagging
40:53him off to them if you get them involved if he is the father you're going to be with him yeah if
40:57he's not the father are you going to be with him results on stage next you lot come with me now
41:02the dna test is actually stephen
41:11it's getting worse yes i need your help and i'm not leaving this stage till i get your help
41:15i want my life back give me the chance to prove you're wrong
41:20give me a chance to prove you're wrong i want to see i want me kids
41:23my name is emma and i believe i'm your daughter this is my last chance i've always thought about
41:36yeah get in contact
41:40she got her full house
41:44your grandchild
41:47it's all this okay i promise you listen it's all right he wants to be a dad he wants to have a
41:53relationship with his child he's your dad you will today go to me you are the child
42:01he'll be all right
42:08you can change and if there's anybody out there who thinks i can't come and get jenny's help trust me
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42:43welcome back before the break loads of people can i just ask you something natalie because we
42:47didn't really hear from you why is your sister out talking for you because they don't like me with
42:52anybody i need to there pick them no it's not yeah it's clear you don't like no one who i'm getting
43:01with at all if they treat you better than you've had in the past and the way you are now he's been
43:09there but now natalie without wanting to use the wrong phrase you must have colored their view
43:15when people go to their families and slag off who they're with if there are problems or whatever
43:21that means the family are going to have a view of him now you've done that haven't you yeah then
43:25you can't blame them for getting involved because the flip side is if they love you they're going to
43:30try and look out for you if you make your bed you're lying it you don't when the bed becomes
43:35uncomfortable because then everybody has a view that's that that's the point isn't it
43:43your family is saying that it would be a lot easier thank you will if he wasn't the father that's
43:47what you're saying because you don't like him she says you wouldn't like anybody she was with if
43:52he stepped up and changed then obviously he's been there for the bank she he has been there for
43:57all day change what yeah i play on my xbox 25 why don't you go and get a job instead of playing on
44:03your damn xbox what it's up to all the companies if they get back in touch with me and say yeah you
44:19can come in and have an interview now i'm just from a different world you see i absolutely understand
44:25completely that it's very difficult um i understand that those of us who have jobs are very lucky
44:29it's just i i somebody said to me once you're very very lucky and then i just in my head all i
44:35could think of was one phrase and it was this the harder i worked the luckier i became so i'm thinking
44:41that if you didn't sit on your xbox but you were out trawling walking knocking on doors doing whatever
44:46that will give you an even better chance of getting a job to support your potential child
44:51that's where i come from but unfortunately we need unfortunately we need
44:56unfortunately and i am getting old and i'm quite proud of this we live in a society where
45:01i am all right to go to work and everybody here my colleagues are going to work to pay for you to
45:05sit on your backside playing your xbox which just about sums up what's wrong with the united kingdom
45:09but that's just me going off on my old soapbox um do you think he's the father 50 50.
45:16two years he's looked after this kid you want him not to be you want him to be the dna test results show
45:22that stephen you got your wish he's not the child's biological father i'm sorry
45:28you knew it could be that's that's devastating for this guy though isn't it
45:33no because he's called her no i haven't called her and i'm leaving because actually it's not i'm going on
45:41it's coming here one sec just come here one sec what does that mean where does that leave you
45:54don't does it steve don't roll me out yeah
45:59steve steven
46:02steve do me a favor i'm respecting what you're saying i just want to say something to you mate
46:11come here buddy she she said before this finished that she wanted to be with you irrespective
46:17come on
46:22they're all just going to push me out don't make sure if i ever want to go anywhere or do anything
46:27where we'll be i'll need their permission because they'll just say oh it's not yours you can't do it
46:34can i give you one little bit of advice i'm not my own family before i tell you what i like about you
46:40in the last two minutes it's very real this man whatever your family have said has real emotion and
46:47belief and care for this child and loves that girl right don't you yeah yes and and you right
46:54maybe not deliberately but when you've gone back to your house your mom and your sister and criticized
46:59him as i said they have a view now of him and that's because of you if you love this man now is
47:04exactly the time for you to stand shoulder to shoulder well not shoulder because he's eight foot
47:09ten but stand next to him and tell your family he's the man i want to be with he's going to be involved
47:15in my daughter's life and you lot need to accept that if you love this guy that's what you have to say
47:20they don't listen to anything anybody tells them
47:26what am i supposed to tell my sister and my auntie and my grandparents and everyone
47:30what happens from here you still can be a you can be a dad
47:35she calls me that do you want to be with this guy then stand next to him put your arm not now i mean
47:41in front of your family right your family can't determine who you're with but if you moan to
47:49them they will you two can work this out you can be a stepdad you might have your own kid it's
47:54horrible i know but there's more to this what do you both want do you want each other i want a
48:00family it doesn't matter if she's my biological then first and foremost get this woman to prove she
48:07wants to be with you stand together against the family you need to stand up and be counted here
48:12otherwise you're going to lose this guy this is no there's no doubt steph that's some work to do
48:17tell this lady quickly what she needs to do i don't know i need to think about it i think
48:23he's a nice guy and he needs you to stand up and be counted i'll leave you with steph give him a round
48:26of applause i am for this morning out of time good luck to them we'll let you know thank you for
48:31watching we'll see you very soon take care bye bye for now
48:45you