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00:00:00hi everybody today's friday april 25th 2025 and our friend larry johnson is back with us
00:00:11welcome back larry so we're still friends huh i haven't i haven't done enough to alienate you
00:00:18okay i i'm not writing you out of the will then
00:00:22larry let's get started with your piece on your website sonar21.com here is what you've written
00:00:34and let me just bring it up yeah i will say that it is it's it's brilliant yeah i'll say it modestly
00:00:43but uh you know the road to war larry yeah the road to war in ukraine uh you see the
00:00:52little yeah click on that dot there we go now click on the article yeah there we go yeah the
00:00:57road to war in ukraine the history of nato and u.s military exercises with ukraine this is
00:01:02the first of a three-part series that i'm uh writing i hope the second one up tonight
00:01:08plans to do the third one tomorrow uh the
00:01:13west has been actively planning to destroy russia for at least 33 years that's the message that's
00:01:24out of this uh you know because let's go back 1991 the soviet union has collapsed so what does
00:01:34the united states do in particular but the but the rest of nato do they reach out to russia and say hey
00:01:40come on let's let's put all of our past differences aside let's work together to rebuild your society
00:01:47hell no they didn't do that and instead what they do is they start cultivating a military relationship
00:01:55with with ukraine and russia was really naive i mean it's unbelievable you know yeltsin and
00:02:03you know sometimes the russians get credited with being pretty sophisticated but by god they got taken
00:02:08taken taken to the cleaners on this and what you see is that the the first military sort of
00:02:16agreements that hey we're going to start working together militarily and you're going to join the
00:02:20north atlantic uh council yeah now russia was also allowed to join that but uh and then the they had
00:02:29this partnership for peace but all of these were they were facades for conducting uh for military
00:02:39exercises with the west the first one got started in 94 so you had 92 93 the they're they're consultations
00:02:50and military people are meeting together and they're planning that the first one comes off in 94
00:02:56and 95 it really uh starts to take off and that's it's in 94 95 that they identify this military base
00:03:09yavariv which is in western uh ukraine as basically hey this would be a great place for a for a nato
00:03:17base essentially and if you recall on march 13 2022 the russians hit yavariv with an iskander missile
00:03:29killing a bunch of foreigners so this was an attack on nato that's i mean that's what russia was they
00:03:37were sending it loud and clear because by 1999 the yavariv is up and fully operational
00:03:451999 is the year when they really start going whole hog with these military exercises what key
00:03:55what else happened in 1999 oh yeah that's right uh poland and romania and the czech republic and
00:04:04slovakia all joined nato and despite a promise a decade earlier by the then secretary of state james
00:04:13maker that not one inch we're not moving one inch east oh no no no we're just nate germany is going
00:04:19to be part of nato but that's that's it no more no expanded now when we get into the 2000s
00:04:28uh russia was allowed to remain as an observer of some of these exercises until 2014 when
00:04:37the as the west says well we kicked them out because they took they took over crimea well
00:04:43there was a vote there was a referendum in crimea the people voted to join russia russia didn't put
00:04:50a gun to their head and make them do that uh so that when you go back and start looking at the history
00:04:56of nato's involvement they always describe these are peacekeeping exercises really then why in
00:05:03operation sea breeze in like 1997 they're using uh anti-submarine warfare does that sound like
00:05:16peacekeeping to you what the hell is nato doing doing anti-submarine warfare in the black sea who
00:05:24god who else is there oh that would be russia
00:05:26you know it is the the more i look at it the angrier i get because with the west instead of trying to
00:05:42find a way to live in peace with russia and to leave it the hell alone we've been committed
00:05:49to you building up ukraine using it as a proxy to weaken russia and then we can i haven't even
00:05:59talked about uh the rand report from 2019 where again they're looking at man we got to do something
00:06:05to sort of weaken russia what can we do oh yeah military military things and you know ukraine using
00:06:11ukraine as a proxy they didn't get said that specifically in the 2019 rand report they had to
00:06:17wait for a west mitchell to put that out in a pentagon net assessment in december of 2020
00:06:22so let's you know let's dispense with the bullshit that somehow russia is just an aggressive
00:06:33empire builder you could just my here the west is minding its own business and those nasty russians
00:06:41are attacking us it's a lie and that's what i'm documenting with this sorry so you got me all
00:06:50worked up yeah larry donald trump is so here is what he said about the negotiations between russia and
00:07:02the united states going to rome where we'll be attending the funeral of pope francis some of you
00:07:11are going to go anybody going and uh it's going to be very interesting we're going to meet with a lot
00:07:17of the foreign leaders they want to meet trade deals are going very well i think russia and ukraine i
00:07:25think they're coming along we hope very fragile and iran i think is going very well we'll see what
00:07:31happens we're working on plenty of things that shouldn't be worked on because none of this stuff
00:07:36should have happened this should have been taken place by biden it should have been fixed by biden
00:07:40but he couldn't do it nor could he come close to doing so anyway we're going to rome to fair respects
00:07:47and we'll be leaving that same day we'll be coming back home tomorrow night and i'll see some of you
00:07:54over there otherwise i'll see you on television and here is what lavrov said in terms of the way that
00:08:02donald trump is he's so optimistic about the talks but here is the take on the part of russians
00:08:08what president trump said on wednesday the president of the united states says he thinks the u.s and russia
00:08:16have a deal let's get it done does president putin agree well the president of the united states
00:08:25uh believes and i think rightly so that we are moving in the right direction
00:08:31the uh statement by the president mentions a deal and we are ready to reach a deal but there are still
00:08:39some specific uh points uh elements of this deal which need to be fine-tuned and we are busy with
00:08:47this exact process and the president of the united states did not spell out the elements of the deal
00:08:55so it is not appropriate for me to do this but he did say there was a deal and that he was sending
00:09:01his envoy steve whitkoff to meet with vladimir putin friday in russia uh is that meeting still
00:09:07happening and should we expect a deal this week well you don't trust the word of the president of
00:09:14the united states i was asking your president's word what will he tell the u.s envoy we we continue
00:09:21our contacts with the american side on the situation in ukraine there are several signs that we are moving
00:09:30in the right direction first of all because president trump is probably the only leader on earth who
00:09:37recognize the need to address the root causes of this situation when he said said that it was a huge
00:09:43mistake to pull ukraine into nato and this was a mistake by by the administration and he wants to rectify this
00:09:52here is what the both sides of the conflict are talking about
00:09:58larry i would say that love of somehow was trying to say something positive because he believes that
00:10:09this is the way to get out of the conflict in ukraine but on the other hand they don't see that
00:10:14they're not that much optimistic about it yeah well he he is a consummate diplomat
00:10:20diplomat and you know the definition of the diplomat is someone that tells you that your baby baby's the
00:10:28ugliest damn thing he's ever seen but when he gets done telling you that you say thank you you know so
00:10:34uh because he probably would have been you know if he was me he would have said
00:10:40your president's a goddamn fool and he's not listening to a single thing we're saying
00:10:44uh whitkoff started his meeting with uh uh president putin about an hour ago hour and a half ago
00:10:55um and a few hours before that the deputy uh one of the senior generals on the general staff
00:11:06of of the russian military was killed in a car bomb that was planted by ukrainian uh intelligence of
00:11:14officials guarantee it
00:11:19that is going to lead to a very you know if you could say a dramatic response
00:11:28by russia compared to what it has already been doing i mean it just lambasted
00:11:32uh kiev the other day the military sites and you know true to form uh the kiev attempted to launch
00:11:41one of their patriot missiles or who knows what and it went up and came down and hit a civilian
00:11:46apartment building that wasn't the russians the russians you know they they hit what they aim at
00:11:52um but the russians are in no mood to make quote compromises with uh ukraine
00:12:01um let me put it this way if if putin somehow said well okay we're we'll stop where we are in place
00:12:13uh we'll we'll and we'll we'll turn over zaporizhia nuclear power plant to the united states
00:12:20vladimir putin would be overthrown in a coup
00:12:22within a month if if not sooner well he's not going to do that um the the fact of the matter is
00:12:34the the the even focus on the stupidity about oh uh nate ukraine's gonna promise not to be a member
00:12:41of nato it's been a de facto member of nato since 1995
00:12:48five it has been exercising with nato it's allowed its territory to be used by nato it's received
00:12:57intelligence from nato it's received those military supplies from nato it's got nato advisors integrated
00:13:04with some of its units so let's cut out the crap and this pretense that somehow all they'll sign a
00:13:12piece of paper and say we're not going to be part of nato anymore that means nato doesn't get to do
00:13:18any more military exercises at all in fact i think in in 1994 was the first time that ukraine got involved
00:13:26with nato exercises but those were they sent their troops into poland and the netherlands for two
00:13:34separate exercises but it was from 95 on that nato forces started coming into and conducting exercises
00:13:44they even did them in crimea before the people of crimea said we've had enough of this crap
00:13:50you know we're going we're going back to russia uh but they've been in yavariv they've been all over
00:13:55ukraine and look i spent 23 years scripting military exercises well my father i didn't work on the nato
00:14:08uh exercises but i did help script exercises for european command u.s european command ucom
00:14:16and ucom was the one of the main points of contact with ukraine and when you script these exercises you
00:14:24know it's like writing a hollywood script you got to have a villain well who do you think the villain
00:14:31was in a lot of these military exercises come on it's a test like who do you think it was
00:14:41yeah russia russia or or that did make up some imaginary country but it was still russia you know
00:14:51so you're you're conducting exercises and what do these exercises entail they entail such things as
00:15:03learning how to alert troops and issue orders that hey we've got a threat that we're going to have to
00:15:09go to uh to deal with so alert your units get them organized get them on planes or buses or trains or
00:15:17trucks and let's transport them to that site and that way those will learn it use units when they're
00:15:22alerted they say oh my god what you know i got to pack my bags and i've got to grab ammunition and
00:15:28it's all designed to work on the whole logistics part of that if if i told you right now hey nema
00:15:35we're going to deploy you to ukraine to fight on the front lines you'd have to say oh gee what do i have to
00:15:40take uh a life insurance policy you want to get that in place because you know your wife will appreciate
00:15:46that um then uh it's getting those units to actually operate together you know the to conduct operations
00:15:57okay we're going to attack uh this objective and we're going out commands are issued so these exercises
00:16:05we're not talking games you know the these are not frivolous games these are uh very serious
00:16:16deadly potentially lethal and their implications they're training these troops how to go to war
00:16:27so can we come back now to this peace process this and and russia's talking about root causes they're
00:16:35talking about a lot more than just um you know nato's saying or ukraine's saying oh i pinky swear that i'm not
00:16:45going to join nato
00:16:49no nato needs to back off they need to back away from russia there's no reason for them
00:17:00because the exercises that they're conducting are not defensive exercises they are offensive exercises
00:17:08and anti-submarine warfare that ain't defense
00:17:14that's offense or let's put it this way it can be both defensive and offensive but that's the point
00:17:22you disguise yourself as oh we're just working on defense over here and then wham this sucker punch
00:17:30so what we're looking at here with uh from the standpoint of russia
00:17:34is they want to get along with the united states they recognize the cost of having a nuclear war
00:17:42but there's no negotiating with ukraine ukraine with the current leadership
00:17:49is not going to negotiate they're not going to act in good faith at all
00:17:56and i you know that's why i said i think trump's delusional that he thinks he's going to get a deal
00:18:01you know he's paid uh whitkoff is uh meeting with uh putin right now and you know putin will politely
00:18:09lay out to him what uh what russia's expectations are such you know is it possible that putin uh could
00:18:17could make some concessions that would be satisfactory to trump that that's possible and if he does that
00:18:24i don't think putin will be be around for long because this the the russian people particularly with
00:18:32the murder of this general today are enraged and they're they're not going to put up with it anymore
00:18:43there when you look at the picture of the meeting between
00:18:46vladimir putin and whitkoff you see whitkoff alone does he really
00:18:53not need anyone to to help him in this sort of trips because this is a heavy duty it's not something
00:19:02so simple and whether which was alone there was a woman sitting to his right yeah i would assume
00:19:09that she she's a translator yeah a translator but a u.s supplied translator yeah so it's it's all on
00:19:16whitkoff you know he's he's uh the direct line of communication between putin and trump and uh whitkoff is
00:19:26not you know he's created some enemies for himself in the deep state so uh i i you know i think a lot
00:19:36of people also make the mistake they're assuming that all of this is mostly about ukraine but i'd argue
00:19:42that uh some you know i'm not sure what percentage is about ukraine but i guarantee you a significant
00:19:49number amount of their discussion focuses on iran and a peace deal there i said this is
00:19:58you know every week the last you know the previous two saturdays and now we're coming up on this third
00:20:04saturday is you know it's like we're the fate of the world hangs in the balance because whitkoff is
00:20:13leaving you know today it's uh friday in moscow right now it is uh uh 6 p.m almost p.m uh he's got
00:20:24to get on a plane and fly down to oman that's that's a five and a half hour flight okay so even if he left
00:20:32right now he'd be getting in at about 11 p.m at night so what's going to happen is he he may not
00:20:37get out of there for another three to four hours so he hops on a plane at 10 p.m 11 p.m m moscow time
00:20:46gets off he tried to sleep on a plane it's you know not the but you know he's not flying in luxury
00:20:52conditions and then you know he has to be awake and refreshed tomorrow for the meeting with iran
00:20:58and there there's there's clearly a deal that iran and the united states could cut that would uh
00:21:08you know i you know potentially earn trump the nobel peace prize if he pulls it off uh the the europeans
00:21:19wouldn't give him the prize but he he'd deserve it at least a lot more than barack obama and and and
00:21:24and and the deal is real simple that iran will agree to um limit its uh nuclear enrichment to
00:21:313.6 percent uh even the 20 percent that it has been doing it will take that 20 percent those medical
00:21:38isotopes will come from russia and uh it will continue to develop nuclear energy uh industry in
00:21:48in concert with russia russia in fact just announced that it's going to build a new nuclear plant in uh in
00:21:53iran that that's the deal now with the united states accept that bb netanyahu doesn't want to
00:22:03and what what worries me is the statements that trump has made within the last 24 hours to time magazine
00:22:11where you know basically he said well you know if the raw if israel needs to attack iran yeah we could
00:22:17probably go along you know he's not he's not shutting that down at all and and and he's not doing
00:22:24anything to uh to to uh he continues to sort of issue these veiled threats to iran
00:22:34uh now i know i've said in the past and it's true you can't depend upon anything that donald trump says
00:22:40i mean it doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth uh so so much of it is not true or it's
00:22:47hyperbole um you know like oh be hell to pay he made that hell to pay threat again that's his favorite
00:22:56some of his favorite go-to lines and um yeah the palestinians are paying they're living in hell
00:23:02but uh it wasn't you know trump never followed through on his threat uh that he made twice with
00:23:08respect to the palestinians so this you know coming back to the wit call uh putin meeting that i i
00:23:16think the iran issue is one of the things on the table because you saw that uh the sultan of oman was
00:23:23in uh russia this past week a meeting with putin uh the iranian uh foreign minister raqshi was there
00:23:31meeting with putin so there there's you know russia's uh really playing a key role
00:23:37with respect to uh getting this deal done in in iran uh i i think frankly i there is no deal to be had
00:23:49with ukraine uh you know if i was advising putin i just say look this is this is a dead end
00:23:57this the only way you're going to change the dynamics is to defeat nato because otherwise
00:24:08nato will continue doing what it's doing uh you know that why do you bring lithuania latvia and
00:24:16estonia into nato i mean good god each you know i think i mentioned this before uh the the largest one
00:24:25is lithuania it has roughly the same population as brooklyn new york and brooklyn new york is bigger
00:24:34than the population of latvia or estonia i mean it they're candidly pissant little countries
00:24:44the the barely barely deserve to be called countries and yet nato is a line with them
00:24:50and if nato is conducting military exercises on the border of russia we would not allow that in the
00:24:58united states if russia was conducting military exercises in mexico or canada and we think we
00:25:06can go do that to russia that's i mean that's what infuriates me this is crazy and russia's been very
00:25:13patient and the problem is the west mistakes that patience for weakness i i don't know how i keep
00:25:22trying to communicate that to my russian friends they mistake your patience your forbearance for
00:25:30weakness and and the problem with that is they'll can they'll keep stepping over the line and over the
00:25:37the line and before you know it boom they've crossed the line that they can't come back from here is
00:25:44what reuters supported larry and the list of the list of the these articles or the points in the
00:25:55stiff in the proposal of the united states to russia and europe and together with ukraine
00:26:03a permanent ceasefire and the initiation of immediate negotiations between russia and ukraine
00:26:10ukraine must give up all nato aspirations and they're talking about that crimea would be part of russia
00:26:21the united states recognize that they legally recognize it but they don't legally recognize
00:26:32the the donbass or uh they're talking about the fact recognition of donbass yeah that that means
00:26:39the factor doesn't mean anything the de facto is what's going on right now yeah i mean you know
00:26:45hell it's there oh good no look that if that's actually the plan it's it's dead on arrival
00:26:53the the if the russians signed on to that they'd be signing their their their execution
00:27:03this would be uh the the west or the west would be lined up now to to rape russia
00:27:10this is you know and that the united states oh well hey we're a mediator bullshit the united states is
00:27:21not a mediator i'm sorry to get angry apologize for my language but good god we've been supplying
00:27:27the intelligence we've been supplying the weapons we've been supplying the military planning
00:27:34for attacks on russia we are part of the problem we're the enemy and russia i think correctly notes
00:27:43that we they've got to deal with us in order to defuse this whole thing they and they better understand
00:27:50it uh because this notion that the united states is some sort of benign actor in this process is just
00:27:57utter nonsense
00:28:01and in in this report on raiders they're talking about that the united that europe is asking for
00:28:09security guarantee for ukraine and something like article 5 of nado yeah and how is that going i don't know if
00:28:19the the the countries who are part of nado would the united states would apply the article 5 for many
00:28:26of these countries in nado montenegro you you call it yeah but why are they asking this right now do you
00:28:35think that donald trump is able to do that i don't see the way that he's talking he's not willing to do
00:28:41like this is all this is all i said this is all nonsense it's it's delusional proposals completely
00:28:49divorced from reality um russia is winning on the ground militarily it's steadily advancing
00:28:59maybe not advancing as fast as some in the west think they should but all these westerners talking
00:29:04about complaining about oh russia is so slow yeah hey give me the story about the great
00:29:12u.s victory in afghanistan how did that go after 20 years you got your ass kicked you have no room to
00:29:20talk oh let's talk about your great victory in vietnam oh yeah that didn't work out so well either
00:29:27well there's iraq syria i mean come on the united states is in no position to lecture anybody about
00:29:38military progress or uh the kinds of plans that they should be carrying out or the kind of lack of
00:29:45progress again i can't emphasize enough this when you look at look at the millions it's and it's it may be
00:29:59approaching a billion dollars over 30 years the amount of money that was spent on all of these military
00:30:07exercises and the express purpose of these exercises ultimately was to equip and
00:30:15prepare ukraine to be a military proxy against russia it wasn't for defense it was for offense
00:30:27and it and we've seen the culmination of that that when vladimir putin launched a counter of let's
00:30:33go i call it a counter offensive because they were already the buildup of troops uh in ukraine that they
00:30:39were going to launch a preemptive strike and and putin beat him to the punch
00:30:46in 2022 and uh you know they've they've been consistent with what what they want to achieve
00:30:53through negotiations uh i you know i am not an advisor to the kremlin even though i have met with
00:31:02love roth uh he doesn't call me i would say hey what do you think
00:31:05uh but uh i i would tell him to say that to the united states you know you have attacked us
00:31:16in any normal if this was you know if we were in a court of law you would be charged with assault
00:31:23and battery so you know you've got some atoning to do you need to repent you need to turn around
00:31:34it's not us we're not the problem but this is uh you know the western financial interests that are
00:31:44desperate in this situation you know it was they admitted the other day you know i've always been
00:31:50skeptical of these people that talk about the rothschilds but the the ukrainians admitted that yeah
00:31:56they their money's been uh it was michael uh michael kornikovsky i guess it was not ukrainian but
00:32:03russian we talked about yeah that uh basically they they turned it over to one of the rothschilds
00:32:09their money so there there's a lot of financial interest driving all of this and you know the problem
00:32:19is russia doesn't want to play games with west it is and it's charting its own path so that's why we
00:32:26need to step back and look at this this isn't an isolated this isn't differences between ukraine and
00:32:32russia this is part of a broader effort by this global hegemon by the united states with a with a
00:32:42collaboration with the bankers in london to main can maintain control of a financial
00:32:49system that's starting to fray and that there's an alternative of rising that between russia china
00:32:57india brazil and south africa are charting a new course and they're bringing in other countries
00:33:05and you know this again this terrorist attack the other day with inside india i don't think that that
00:33:11was just an accident at all it would not surprise me it wouldn't be the first time that western
00:33:17intelligence agencies have worked with radicals uh to encourage them to carry out such attacks
00:33:25hoping that it will create mayhem and weakness on the part of india
00:33:31so this is i said this is a good this is a global battle this is not we we shouldn't get uh so myopic
00:33:38that we're so you know narrowly focused upon just the war in ukraine i would wonder if you watched
00:33:47the interview of the defense minister of pakistan here is what he said larry it's so amazing the way
00:33:55that is yes yeah i was hoping that pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and
00:34:01training um and funding these terrorist organizations well uh we have been doing this dirty work for
00:34:07the united states for about three decades you know and west including britain so that that's your
00:34:15argument that um no we that that was a mistake and we suffer for that and that is why you are saying
00:34:20this to to to me if we had not uh joined the war uh against soviet union and later on the the war
00:34:26after 9 11. uh uh this uh pakistan's uh uh track record you know was uh not uh you know unimpeachable
00:34:34track record defense minister i just want to get back to um this particular incident in kashmir and
00:34:38and yeah yeah we've been we've been doing yeah well the united states and the way the the group the
00:34:46group that's uh reportedly carried out the attack there in kashmir lashkar ita or it's a break-off from
00:34:53lashkar ita well lashkar ita is the one that went into mumbai uh good lord was that now 10 years
00:35:01ago and they should they killed all these people in these hotels i mean they went around this it was
00:35:06a well-organized thing and here you got the pakistan you know this is not some crack pot in pakistan this
00:35:14is their defense minister saying yeah man we were doing the dirty work of the the west they were
00:35:19encouraging us to fund some of these groups so they could carry out these attacks and because
00:35:24it accomplished some political purposes for the west so i believe you know i don't believe
00:35:31a thing anymore that comes out of the mouths in washington dc sorry
00:35:39i'm ashamed i'm ashamed to say that as an american but uh our lives are so gargantuan and so monstrous
00:35:47and you know it has resulted in the deaths of millions millions of people women and children the
00:36:02blood that is on the hands of the united states if the if there really is such a thing as karma
00:36:08then the united states is going to have a very bad time in the future
00:36:16if the if the karma comes comes home both both from the destruction of our own native american indian
00:36:23tribes onto what we've done around the world you know we'd like to pretend that we're this great force
00:36:30for democracy we're the city on the hill but we don't live it we talk about it but we don't live it
00:36:41now it seems that europeans are pushing for
00:36:45because they're thinking of the reconstruction of ukraine in in the aftermath of any sort of ukrainian
00:36:51settlement but they want to keep russian frozen assets oh yeah yeah hey
00:37:00that you know you know as well as i do that if i had a hundred million dollars
00:37:07and gave it to you you'd be at the casino all day long playing you know blackjack or roulette or you
00:37:12know because it's not your money man you can play that's what europe wants to do
00:37:19uh and russia said yeah yeah not gonna happen by the way i think that russia would be happy to
00:37:30participate in that sort of process because they care about who's going to be the next president of
00:37:37ukraine and what would be ukraine in the aftermath of a ukrainian settlement that's why they would willingly
00:37:45participate in that but they're not caring about what europe is talking about the frozen russia and
00:37:52i said it doesn't belong to europe to decide about well look it's going to be like the end of world war
00:37:57ii yeah at the end of world war ii the the soviets and and and the americans and the brits didn't step
00:38:05back and say okay hey you germans man you can select anybody you want you got adolf antler's cousin great
00:38:12you know you know no no more nazis nazis you're out that's done over and that's where um
00:38:24where putin has insisted that there's got to be this denazification
00:38:30you know that that has to take place in ukraine and that means you're going to have to have a less
00:38:35structured elections monitored perhaps by the u.n but uh it's not going to be um allow the the bandarites
00:38:44to continue to reign in ukraine as long as they're there you're gonna you're gonna have that threat to
00:38:49russia they're gonna eliminate the threat and again it was driven home today with the murder of this uh top
00:38:58russian general now that that didn't cripple the russian military there's they've got other generals
00:39:04in line that have come up the ranks but they're going to seek revenge on this one you can there
00:39:13there are going to be some um uh we may see the oreshnik come back out
00:39:19lori do you think that wetkoff who's the main envoy of donald trump in the talks between the united
00:39:33states and russia he's talking with europeans as well do they have any sort of communication because
00:39:41when you look you've mentioned the talks between the united states and iran
00:39:45last week it was the same on friday he went to russia talk with russians about the negotiations
00:39:52with iran and of course about ukraine as well and then on saturday they're talking with iran
00:40:00do you think that this sort of attitude is happening between the united states and europe no no uh the
00:40:08the uh europe and the united states are pretty pretty estranged right now and but but again there's
00:40:16uh the the only uh it's on a country-by-country basis now it's not europe as the ec zero relationship
00:40:25us has had no contact doesn't want to talk to fond of lion um doesn't want to uh talk to uh bearbach or
00:40:35a caia callas no nothing to do with them uh trump had a great meeting with uh georgia maloney
00:40:43the italian prime minister hey you know you know get along great with her uh he'd had the meetings
00:40:50with starmer and macron and you know they came and groveled in the oval office but got nothing
00:40:56um but there's we're not sitting down consulting with them said okay guys here's our plan let's so let's
00:41:04coordinate this so that we're working together no i mean it's like what happened you know the the
00:41:10meeting is supposed to take place on wednesday in london and then once you know zelinski shoots his
00:41:15mouth off about no crimea is ours we're never giving it up rubia goes ah screw it i'm not going to
00:41:22that medium be a waste of time larry donald trump and he was asked if he stopped israeli attack on
00:41:35iran he's somehow responding in a way that doesn't make sure iran that what is the main tension of the
00:41:44united states this is problematic in my opinion why because iran doesn't talk you know doesn't talk
00:41:50about they don't say they want to attack israel anytime soon at least officially while they're
00:41:58negotiating with the united states on the other hand what they're talking about that israel may
00:42:03attack iran while the united states and iran are negotiating don't tell me somehow i don't know i
00:42:10didn't make it comfortable for them to do that but then he says then he comes back and says if they
00:42:16go attack iran we're going to participate in that what does that mean for iranian leadership are you
00:42:22honest in the way that you're trying to negotiate to talk with you no that's i mean it's the same
00:42:28problem we faced last week when whitkopf you know again you had contradictory statements being made by
00:42:33trump and by whitkopf himself and i'm sure the meeting started off with a raqchi saying uh mr whitkopf
00:42:42what is your position you know if your position is that we have to uh vacate all of our nuclear uh
00:42:52program shut down all of our nuclear plants that we can no longer engage in any kind of
00:42:57enrichment of uranium then we really have nothing to talk about here or was that were you just posturing
00:43:05for uh the general public in the united states and i'm sure uh with with respect to uh the meeting
00:43:15that'll take place tomorrow same question is going to come up you know we're not going to negotiate at
00:43:23the end of a gun you're not going to put a gun to our head and make a sign a piece of paper that's not
00:43:29going to happen we're an independent country there's got to be mutual respect with on on those terms
00:43:39if we have that mutual respect we can have an agreement we can you know accomplish something
00:43:43together what what is the story mr whitkopf and so it's with golf up to say ah don't listen to trump
00:43:51he doesn't he doesn't really mean he's just talking and believe i know i i actually once worked for a
00:43:58guy like that way back you know 50 years ago and uh he was a wonderfully charismatic person
00:44:08uh and he was a consummate organizer uh and he was a consummate organizer but you know he was he was
00:44:14what i'd call a white shoe salesman and he would he could bamboozle you and you know if you listen to
00:44:22him and he told some great stories he was really uh a gifted salesman but you'd come away later and
00:44:28realize oh what he said wasn't true so that's trump in part um again that's it
00:44:38the world keeps hovering on a precipice every week that uh will if if iran and the united states
00:44:49come to a deal it's going to be a model you know so an updated jcpoa it will have the full backing
00:44:58that's what iran iran goes into this uh much stronger now than it did 10 years ago when they did
00:45:05negotiated the first jcpoa it's 10 years ago china and russia weren't really in iran's camp at all
00:45:14they were there saying yeah you know you guys gotta stop with some of your craziness and you know we're
00:45:20well we're in favor of sanctions now whole different ballgame russia and china are the you know the big
00:45:29brothers of iran and iran's got a partnership with each of them uh a more a more formal relationship
00:45:39with russia by virtue of their strategic cooperation agreement they signed so this you know they're not
00:45:48going to be bullied and pushed around and threatened this time they're not they're not on their heels
00:45:53as they were you know they were they were embroiled in a war in uh yemen they were embroiled in a war in
00:46:02syria uh and so they were um you know they were facing some you know real challenges there
00:46:12along with all the economic sanctions they were facing
00:46:15they still face those sanctions but uh they're in a much stronger position now than they were then
00:46:25donald trump he said in this interview that you've mentioned with the time magazine
00:46:30he said that he believes saudi arabia will go into the abraham accords again
00:46:37yeah i bet and donald trump believes in the easter bunny and donald trump believes in the tooth fairy
00:46:46and donald trump believes in santa claus ain't happy saudi arabia is not entering the abraham accord
00:46:55until the rights of the palestinian people are protected and secured period that
00:47:01uh they're not going to be bought off on that uh mbs has uh he's been very clear about that
00:47:12sorry to interrupt
00:47:15but do you think that if we assume if we assume you've mentioned what is the position of saudi arabia
00:47:21right now yeah if we assume that that would be the case is donald trump ready to force net now to accept
00:47:28a palestinian state uh no i i don't think so um the the problem is trump doesn't have the control
00:47:43he thinks he has over israel israel's internal divisions are sharpening uh you know i don't know
00:47:50if you've had a chance to read any of the uh coverage that alistair crook and his wife have done
00:47:56of the hebrew press but the the talk about a civil war in israel is coming from very prominent
00:48:04individuals on both sides of the ideological spectrum there in israel so there's there's really no
00:48:16political consensus um israel will continue as the united states does in using uh abbas
00:48:26mahmoud avas as uh as a puppet you know and he's you know he'll do everything he can't he's done
00:48:34everything he can to undermine hamas even though hamas you know they did win the popular vote by the
00:48:40palestinians and i think now would win even more votes um they've shown that they're they're the ones
00:48:48willing to fight uh the israeli uh aggression uh but uh you know and we should not forget that massad
00:48:58for many years funded hamas and through qatar in order to create an opposition to the palestinian
00:49:07authority and mahmoud abbas is just to prevent an agreement from coming into place so um you know all
00:49:16all that trump could do is make it difficult for israel to continue to fight uh hamas and hezbollah
00:49:24which in my view would be a great thing
00:49:29erry donald trump believes that the war in ukraine is biden's war
00:49:35but many people
00:49:38nope it's his now he owns it uh he had a chance
00:49:44who in the first week or two of his administration to say hey
00:49:50we're done
00:49:52all personnel out all money cut off this ends now we're no longer you guys want to fight be my
00:49:59guest but you're not doing it with our money and our personnel and our information
00:50:06war would have ended
00:50:06uh now you know he wants he wants to pretend that all this stuff that's happening is the fault of
00:50:15obama and biden sorry yeah they they had a role in creating this mess but you know so did he
00:50:23so did he i said javelins
00:50:26instead of trying to broker a peace instead of trying to get the ukrainians to stop shelling the hell
00:50:34out of russian-speaking citizens in the donbass during the entire four years of your administration
00:50:40you did nothing
00:50:44so you know he he's got to stop pretending that he's just like some
00:50:49innocent observer here going oh boy this is bad
00:50:53yeah he's he's right in the middle of it
00:50:56and he was asked donald trump was asked by time magazine regarding that
00:51:01300 children killed and more than 600 wounded since the ceasefire in gaza
00:51:07broke down and donald trump response was so he said that i would say that the blame for
00:51:14that is biden more than anybody else but that doesn't make him innocent
00:51:20well you know that blood's on his hands he's the one that sent new bombs to israel
00:51:27he's the one encouraging israel to wipe out hamas he's the one that sent this crazed ambassador mike
00:51:33huckabee to israel to basically uh endorse israel starving children
00:51:41imposing malnutrition on children
00:51:43um you know this is huckabee claims to be a christian and i would simply remind him
00:51:52what jesus said about those who harm children
00:51:55that is better than if they had a bit a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the depths of the sea
00:52:02you know just
00:52:07hey if he's a he's a real believer in the words of jesus
00:52:10then those words of jesus applied to palestinian children just as they apply to israeli children
00:52:21larry do you you you you've mentioned mahmoud abbas and yesterday he said that if
00:52:28they want to put an end to the war in gaza they have to give all the prisoners to israel sure
00:52:35this the solution that he's mentioning is just just giving everything they have to negotiate with
00:52:43israel they don't have anything but that about those people to negotiate with israel if they
00:52:49lose that sort of position how what's going on in the mind of these people who are advocating for this
00:52:56well uh i i won't say it was a great plan at the outset by hamas i mean they you know i'm not sure
00:53:03they've fully thought this through because their plan was the the on october 7th attack principally
00:53:11military outposts and armed the kibbutzim the kibbutzim that are basically used as military outposts
00:53:18take as many civilians as possible as hostage or that would be used them as as leverage to get
00:53:26palestinian prisoners released and to get israel to negotiate a deal
00:53:29uh the calculation was that israel would deal they miscalculated made a really bad bet
00:53:38um but uh you know at this point they're still they're going to hang on to those hostages until
00:53:45there is some sort of negotiated deal some process in exchange uh if they're going to insist you've got
00:53:52to reopen the the humanitarian relief and if not you know the hostages will starve to death just like
00:54:00the palestinians
00:54:05and do you find the internal problems that net now is facing right now could give some sort of
00:54:15leverage to donald trump to pressure put pressure on net now oh sure it could
00:54:22and i mean there have been comments by some senior israeli officials uh just recently that uh avidor
00:54:31um a fellow named avidor said that uh he he's learned that donald trump is becoming increasingly
00:54:38exasperated with netanyahu and doesn't like him but then you had trump put out a you know
00:54:45uh truth social post uh sometime this was this past week where he said oh i just got off the phone with
00:54:52my buddy bb man we see everything you know we're all we're totally you we're united we're we're all on
00:55:00the same page of music so who knows you know he says one thing and does another um and that unpredictability
00:55:11is is a real problem i think those people who are criticizing the endless war uh in the middle east and
00:55:20the way that donald trump the united states is behaving they have to consider if we assume the
00:55:26main problems for the united states foreign policy in the last two decades you would assume the war in
00:55:33iraq and afghanistan who was behind these sort of wars who was advocating for the war in iraq and
00:55:40afghanistan it was bb netanyahu and well yeah he was one voice he was one one element he was so much
00:55:48important if you remember those days in the way that he was advocating how we gonna be how the face of
00:55:54the middle is would change in the aftermath of saddam and all of that but it didn't happen i i i do believe
00:56:02that the foreign policy of the united states needs to just reevaluate what's what went wrong with those
00:56:08decisions and why in my opinion the worst enemy of the foreign policy of the united states would be bb netanyahu
00:56:17and how is that going to be perceived we know that tucker carlson believes that
00:56:23yeah there are many people who voted for donald trump believe that but is that going to is that sort of
00:56:29attitude with is that going to prevail in the trump administration the the only thing that would make
00:56:35that possible is that if israel chooses to launch an attack on iran and trump foolishly agrees to go
00:56:48along with it and provides assistance
00:56:52and iran destroys a significant portion of the israeli attackers
00:57:00and then retaliates and destroys major major sites in israel
00:57:08all of a sudden trump is embroiled now in the potential for a global war because any retaliation
00:57:16at that point against iran they'll have to worry about the response of russia and china now i know you
00:57:23get a lot of x so-called experts in the united states all russia and china will never get involved
00:57:29no uh i i don't think that's right uh i think they recognize uh you know that this is a continuation
00:57:38of the provocation that started with ukraine uh where the united states was
00:57:46backing uh and encouraging the attacks that culminated in this war in russia
00:57:53and you know so so at that point the united states will will basically have lost another war in a
00:58:01very dramatic fashion to iran and this is on top of you know we're we're certainly not succeeding with
00:58:08the houthis you know we're going into our second month of that now and they keep shooting down more
00:58:15predator drones so you know it would take it's going to take that coupled maybe with an economic crash
00:58:24where the united states will find look around and say we don't need israel is too much of a problem
00:58:30and israel is going to be eating itself from within but i you know i i don't think the claims of a
00:58:37possibility of a civil war are exaggerated i think it's a genuine concern because you've got a real
00:58:46deep ideological split in israel something that can you know we we have something comparable here in
00:58:53the united states it's not as severe but uh in israel it's uh it's coming to a head
00:59:02yesterday the cradle reported that yemenis used the first hypersonic missile against israel
00:59:08and i don't know if they have used hypersonic missile before it they there were all all the
00:59:17missiles they have used so far were ballistic missiles well no so a hypersonic missile is a
00:59:24um in a sense it is a ballistic missile so it's traveling at a particular speed the question is is
00:59:31a maneuverable that i don't know but this wouldn't i i thought there had been at least a couple other
00:59:38occasions where they had used the houthis had fired what they described as a hypersonic missile
00:59:44um now i i'm not sure again i i haven't seen any of the details specifications or how it performed
00:59:53um and you're not seeing much in the media reporting about uh where it hit
01:00:02yeah larry you mentioned the case of
01:00:07india and pakistan and the way that somehow the mainstream media trying to picture pakistan as the
01:00:14bad guy and here is what jd vance said in terms of the way that they're trying to get closer to
01:00:22india in order to fight china the alliance will enable america and india to develop the most state
01:00:33of the art maritime systems needed for victory it's fitting that india this year is hosting the quad
01:00:39leader summit this fall our interests in a free open peaceful and prosperous indo-pacific are in full
01:00:48alignment both of us know that the region must remain safe from any hostile powers that seek to
01:00:55dominate it growing relations between our countries over the last decade are part of what led america to
01:01:02designate india a major defense partner the first of that class this designation means that india now
01:01:09shares with the uae a defense and technology infrastructure and partnership with the united states
01:01:17on par with america's closest allies and friends but we actually feel that india has much more to gain
01:01:26from its continued defense partnership with the united states and let me sketch that out a little bit
01:01:30yeah what's going on in the mind of the trump administration and how can how how is that possible
01:01:40for them to convince india to go in that direction oh that's why we leveled more tariffs on india yeah we
01:01:46want to be your friend here pay me an additional 25 percent and and the indians are going huh it's
01:01:53like what you pointed out when we talked i think on monday it was the was it the brazilian foreign
01:01:58minister or some brazilian uh senior official in government who you know several months ago was
01:02:04talking about yeah yeah basically distancing themselves from bricks and getting in bed with
01:02:08united states and then after the terrorists are going what the hell you know yeah we're sticking
01:02:15with bricks same same phenomena and again the united states yeah we we uh we can't let china dominate
01:02:25in asia because we're the ones that's supposed to dominate in asia you know i like jd vance but and
01:02:34he he does a good job of having to sell sell the product that he's being asked to sell uh but
01:02:40um if you know if india doesn't understand that the united part of the us us has got a strategy right now
01:02:52that india and russia individually they've got to figure a way to split them off from china they want to
01:02:59turn them against china china china is the threat that's you know that's the underlying theme here
01:03:06that china is the real threat now we'll run over india and russia you know use them throw them away
01:03:14i would argue with the case of iran would be as well yeah we know that iran somehow is so important for
01:03:21china right but but the point is that um india and russia in the overall scheme of things
01:03:29are the are the two major key wedges you're right iran iran is you know figures in that whole
01:03:36strategic picture uh so um you know we'll see we'll see if india is bamboozled or not i i don't think
01:03:47you know i don't think again they're going to try to maintain cordial relations with the united states
01:03:53but india is on the path to trying to get better relations with china and i wouldn't be surprised
01:04:00if both the the chinese and the russians uh because the russians would go to the indians and say look
01:04:09the americans are trying to provoke you western intelligence is using this terrorism to provoke
01:04:15you into a war with pakistan that you don't need and that will not serve the interests of either country
01:04:21and i could see russia and china working behind the scenes to get that situation calmed down
01:04:28china will have access and can influence over pakistan russia will have influence and access over
01:04:35india more so than china does um so let's hope that i hope that i'm right in my imaginings that that could
01:04:45happen because the last thing we want to see is uh two nuclear powers india and pakistan going to war
01:04:54do you believe that they're going to go at war it's so much stupid if but it's they start a war for
01:05:02death it's it's going to war has always been stupid that hasn't stopped any country you know so it's it's
01:05:10it's a it's a grave risk right now and we'll see uh you know we'll see if the cooler heads prevail i think
01:05:19the remarks that you played earlier with that defense minister of pakistan are revealing that
01:05:25he realizes hey man we're being played we're being played by the west and to provoke a conflict with india
01:05:34maybe we need to step back you know this is uh um it would be devastating for both countries
01:05:43and pakistan has already suffered as a result of a 20-year war uh with the united states and
01:05:49afghanistan and all the refugees that came flooding oh hell the refugees have been flooding in there for 40
01:05:55plus years now if you were to compare india to turkey do you see a turkey do you see similarities
01:06:06between the two the attitude on the board of india to the attitude on the board of erdogan oh no
01:06:14modi's not uh uh uh doesn't imagine himself as emperor of the world the erdogan does
01:06:21um uh modi is not as uh duplicitous and untrustworthy as is erdogan so yeah no i wouldn't put him anywhere
01:06:32near the same category um turkey has got a you know they've they've got some decisions to make
01:06:39uh about uh you know they've they're now they're sort of the owner of syria and syria
01:06:45it is not turning out to be what they thought it was one of the main issues in the conversation
01:06:52between saudis and iranians in the latest visit of the defense minister of saudi arabia to iran they
01:06:59were talking about the situation in syria they're concerned about syria and considering they were
01:07:05responsible of al-gada isis daish but right now they're concerned about syria and yeah well and the you
01:07:14you know this al-jalani is allowed to be quote the leader and he's received uh by other countries
01:07:24despite the fact that they're they're murdering his his guys are out murdering christians alawats shia
01:07:32and you know it the tribes are sort of buckling down i think this will this will erupt into a bit you
01:07:38know a civil the civil war that's been underway will continue and expand uh because uh a lot of
01:07:46these ethnic groups that are being threatened they're going to fight back
01:07:55just to wrap up this session larry one of the other issue that was discussed in between iran and
01:08:01saudi arabia was the case of lebanon they want to disarm hezbollah whoever is behind that sort of
01:08:09plan we know that who is that right but it doesn't seem that even saudi arabia is happy about it
01:08:19do you think that the government in lebanon would go with that plan with disarming hezbollah
01:08:25that would benefit them is that going to help lebanon in a long run in their mind i'm not talking
01:08:30about the logic behind it yeah if uh number one lebanon doesn't have the military force to do that
01:08:39you know the the reality is hezbollah is stronger militarily than they are
01:08:44and lebanon would be fools to do that because as soon as you know if they manage somehow to disarm
01:08:53hezbollah or convince hezbollah to give it up then they're the then uh lebanon is wide open
01:09:01wide open to israel attacking it whenever it wants as it already is it's just that to come in and take
01:09:08over the land uh you know right now hezbollah's presence in the south prevents israel from um making
01:09:17inroads and and occupying uh southern lebanon without hezbollah israel would be there in a heartbeat
01:09:26so i uh that's going that's going nowhere that again that's one of the that's one of the western
01:09:32fantasies but uh instead of you know instead of dealing with the fundamental problem right now is
01:09:40that um israel is not living in the boundaries that it was outlined in when it was set up as a as a
01:09:48nation in 1948 it's uh trying to take additional territory we had a name for a guy who talked about
01:09:56lebensraum living space had needed more land to take over he was a house painter from austria
01:10:07hmm fascinating that you're seeing a similar sort of we got to take all this land from other people
01:10:14phenomena yeah thank you so much larry for being with us hopefully i didn't cause you any emotional trauma
01:10:26yeah great pleasure oh my friend well we'll we'll have something to talk about on monday we'll know
01:10:33whether yeah whether peace in our time or war in war with iran exactly okay take care bye