An Arkansas realtor sets her daughter up with the richest guy in town, but when he mysteriously dies, she’s accused of stealing his fortune. Additional deaths and a web of lies ensnare the rural community, leaving a family destroyed.
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00:00:00I don't no more believe in the Me Too movement than my butt has beat anorexia, and that's just
00:00:23my opinion. Everybody don't be sending me hate mail. Are we going to get an Oscar? That's what
00:00:28I want to know. You'll find out as you go through South Arkansas, there's a lot of DSD. Dog dumb,
00:00:36and it's rampant. I live in Camden, and it's one of those places where everybody knows each other.
00:00:46So saw me on a gas station, and that's about all there is to do there. I've never seen a case like
00:00:52this money laundering, aggravated identity theft, wire fraud, let alone potential murder.
00:01:00What a story it was. I mean, it was so twisted.
00:01:04Y'all don't make me look like no hit.
00:01:06I had never heard a bad word about Donna Herring until
00:01:12Matthew Seth Jacobs was probably the richest guy in Camden, and everyone knew it. Matthew's estate
00:01:21was about $2 million. And bless his heart, he didn't know who to trust and where to turn.
00:01:28He just was smitten with Alex, my daughter. From the beginning, I did not like her.
00:01:40They never had a relationship, and Mac could not stand that boy.
00:01:45With Alex, you could sense the bad intentions with her.
00:01:48What a ass.
00:01:49It was only about the money for them.
00:01:53Donna Herring, she wants to intimidate.
00:01:55You understand me? You are done.
00:01:58I'm a very narcissistic person, and a liar.
00:02:01I was prepared to go. Let's go.
00:02:04She was nice to me. How could I have been so fooled?
00:02:10She did what any crazy mother would do.
00:02:13Are we playing mind games, or are we sending some people to jail?
00:02:21They just tried to put this whole spin on it that we had done something sinister.
00:02:31But remember, everything comes with a price tag.
00:02:34Yeah, I'm out on Highway 79, and the car in front of me just drove me.
00:03:04When he was the young kid that was on the oil rig, that died in the Gulf.
00:03:27Yeah, and then he had a wreck.
00:03:30I mean, we couldn't imagine our lives without Matt.
00:03:37He just lived down at the end of the street, and he just wanted to be a part of a family.
00:03:45And we gave him that.
00:03:48And we just grew to love him.
00:03:53Donna and Matt had a close relationship, obviously.
00:03:57He trusted her a lot.
00:03:59Right.
00:03:59Right.
00:04:00I don't think anybody in town had any suspicions until it was brought up in the paper,
00:04:05and everyone started talking about it.
00:04:09People in this town will gossip and not know one thing.
00:04:12It's just the way Camden is.
00:04:14That's just the way this town is.
00:04:18He became one of ours and our family.
00:04:21What it took was love, a job, and a place to be.
00:04:34Matt is my brother.
00:04:36There was a 10-year difference in our age.
00:04:39Matt was mama's baby.
00:04:41He was always energetic, doing something.
00:04:45Me and Matt liked to hunt together and fish, spent a lot of time on the water together.
00:04:51Family time.
00:04:54My dad was 17 and my mom was 18 when I was born.
00:04:59And then they wound up getting a divorce when I was around three or four.
00:05:02I definitely did miss being around him.
00:05:05Matt grew up crazy about his mama.
00:05:10And when she died, that broke his heart.
00:05:15He would say, I appreciate that.
00:05:17You treat me like my mom did.
00:05:19You're like a mom to me.
00:05:21He just wanted somewhere to come and eat Sunday dinner.
00:05:25Somewhere to come and have that family atmosphere.
00:05:32Perfect.
00:05:33Perfect.
00:05:33I feel like he kind of found like a, like a safe place within her.
00:05:40Like at first, if you, you don't know who she is and you see her, you're like,
00:05:44Come look at this.
00:05:45Sweet old lady, you know.
00:05:48Ha.
00:05:49Mm, mm, mm.
00:05:52Matt was a hard worker.
00:05:54He decided to go offshore, work on the oil rigs and do a little something different.
00:05:59A lot of people don't do.
00:06:00I saw it as like kind of a superhero type job.
00:06:04You can't be just, you know, physically tough.
00:06:06You got to be mentally tough as well.
00:06:08It made me want to go into the same industry.
00:06:11And I think I was around 11, 12 when he started working on the Deep Water Horizon.
00:06:16Frightening drama in the Gulf of Mexico.
00:06:23Overnight, a powerful explosion rocked a giant oil rig.
00:06:27A Coast Guard search and rescue effort is underway.
00:06:29Tonight, two others are still missing.
00:06:31Where were you in the first explosion?
00:06:33And out in the hallway, I mean, there's people screaming, hollering.
00:06:36And I was like, this ain't, I said, this can't be happening.
00:06:40Looked like he was looking at the face of death.
00:06:50He said, when I heard it going off, I knew what it was.
00:06:53And he was running on the deck.
00:06:56And he slipped and messed up his hip.
00:06:58That's where most of his physical pain was coming from, was his hip.
00:07:02He had PTSD from the rig.
00:07:08You didn't even want to be in the same room as him just because you felt like you were bothering him.
00:07:13You know, you could tell that he wanted his space.
00:07:16He was on lots of medications that was affecting him mentally.
00:07:23He was part of a class action lawsuit.
00:07:25He got $1.7 million.
00:07:28After that, you know, you kind of tell that he was in a happier place.
00:07:32And then it started happening.
00:07:36Money, money, money.
00:07:38Matt felt taken advantage of because, you know, if they went out to eat, Matt paid.
00:07:43Wherever they went, Matt paid.
00:07:46I think it made him happy being able to see him to go out, hop on a four-wheeler, go out and shop, go to the party bars on the lake.
00:07:52I think it did make him proud to be able to give me that life.
00:07:55I feel like that was the peak of our relationship.
00:07:57That was a pretty big topic about how much money he had gained from the settlement and decided he wanted to get a house.
00:08:07He went to Century 21.
00:08:09And that's where he met.
00:08:10And that's where he met Donna.
00:08:12I wish they'd get something new to talk about.
00:08:14I really wish they would.
00:08:17Why are you so worried about what this person over here is doing?
00:08:20Your son's in rehab.
00:08:21Your husband messes around on you.
00:08:23And your other son's alcoholic.
00:08:25Why are you worried about what's going on over here?
00:08:27It's nothing to you.
00:08:29He wound up using Donna Herring to purchase the house that he bought.
00:08:36She just so happened to have a house in the neighborhood.
00:08:39I did not sell him that house.
00:08:42Carolyn Avant sold him that house.
00:08:45He came in and he needed one piece of paper to be signed.
00:08:50And I met him then for two minutes.
00:08:53Congratulations.
00:08:54I'm proud for you.
00:08:55Welcome to the neighborhood.
00:08:59Not long after, I started helping him and talking to him and stuff.
00:09:05She would come down the road with a plate of food for both of us.
00:09:10She was a big cook when it came to, like, wanting to do things for people.
00:09:15He didn't have to work.
00:09:17And I told him, I said, you got too much time on your hands.
00:09:22And he said, well, you know nobody's going to hire me with PTSD.
00:09:25I said, oh, Daddy Doug will.
00:09:26Hi, Dad.
00:09:27Hello.
00:09:28Good morning.
00:09:28They're all talking to you.
00:09:29Hey, Doug.
00:09:30Hey, Doug.
00:09:32How y'all doing?
00:09:33Hey.
00:09:34Now, you have to be super-de-duper quiet.
00:09:38I met my first husband at a bar.
00:09:42And it's true what they say.
00:09:44Don't pick your husband up in a bar.
00:09:47He didn't understand he couldn't date once we got married.
00:09:50But you couldn't ask for a better daddy from my daughter.
00:09:54Alex was one of the most easygoing children.
00:09:58When I got divorced, she just was always right with me.
00:10:02She had never slept in the bed by herself until Doug and I got married.
00:10:06And she was like 11, 12.
00:10:08And Doug is just a really good father to my daughter.
00:10:16Really good.
00:10:17I mean, I hit the jackpot with him.
00:10:24Matt was so proud to work for Doug in his pest control business with Meek's Pest Control.
00:10:29He wore his little Meek's Pest Control t-shirts.
00:10:31He bought them himself.
00:10:34Him and Jimmy Davis were probably the best workers Doug ever had.
00:10:41At the same time, he was always around my daughter.
00:10:45Well, Alex was a beautiful girl.
00:10:47Matt was smitten with Alex.
00:10:49Well, Alex was smitten back.
00:10:51She was 18.
00:10:52And I want to say he was 31 or 32.
00:10:55I'm not sure.
00:10:56And he had been married twice.
00:10:58And when they first started dating, one of my good friends says, don't worry about it.
00:11:04He's a good guy.
00:11:09Donna.
00:11:10If you ask Donna about Alex, she hung the moon.
00:11:14She's the best thing there is on the planet.
00:11:16And she deserves everything.
00:11:18Just sees her as a goddess almost.
00:11:22It was an uncomfortable situation for me at the time.
00:11:24Just because, you know, the same age, pretty much.
00:11:29But I was like, it makes you happy.
00:11:33Go for it.
00:11:38Matt was so in love with Alex.
00:11:40And they became engaged.
00:11:43And we just all loved him.
00:11:51And he made our family good for two years.
00:11:55That's when it all became this sword mess.
00:11:57I was the first officer on the scene.
00:12:08The witness said that the driver of the vehicle, for whatever reason, crossed five lanes of traffic and he hit a tree.
00:12:17I did the victim because I knew him.
00:12:22The victim in this case was 34 years old.
00:12:27His name was Matthew Jacobs.
00:12:30That's a tough one.
00:12:37Alex's very best friend calls me.
00:12:40She was a volunteer fireman.
00:12:43And she's crying.
00:12:45And she finally gets out.
00:12:46Matt's had a wreck right past your house.
00:12:51And I was praying out loud.
00:12:54And Doug kept telling me he's going to be okay.
00:12:56And we got up there.
00:12:57And I got out.
00:12:58And I said, where is he?
00:13:00And I remember talking to Mr. Bolton.
00:13:01Where's my boy?
00:13:02And he said, honey, he's gone.
00:13:04And I said, where'd they take him?
00:13:06Because it's still not connecting for me.
00:13:08It is still not connecting that he's dead.
00:13:15I just remember thinking, this is not happening.
00:13:19All I could say about was Alex.
00:13:20I could not tell her.
00:13:22I could not tell her he was dead.
00:13:24And Mr. Bolton said, somebody has to tell Lance.
00:13:28And I said, we'll go get him.
00:13:33There was a knock on the door.
00:13:35And then there stood the sheriff.
00:13:38And Donna was behind him.
00:13:42But you can imagine how confused we are.
00:13:45And that's when he told us.
00:13:48Matt's died in the car accident.
00:13:52And I remember this sense of like, I couldn't breathe.
00:13:59Everything went away.
00:14:00And nothing prepares you for that.
00:14:05What is Jordan going to do without his dad?
00:14:08It's his dad.
00:14:09What is Lance going to do without his brother?
00:14:14My best man.
00:14:20Everything.
00:14:20But the hardest part of that night, I'm calling Jordan.
00:14:28And I had to tell him.
00:14:30I can't.
00:14:31I just heard my mom hysterically screaming, like, from the other end of the house.
00:14:47But I remember I just laid in bed and I was shaking.
00:14:52Like, my whole body was shaking nonstop, like, uncontrollably.
00:14:57I felt like I had something sitting right in my throat.
00:15:00We didn't know what to do.
00:15:05None of us did.
00:15:07Because it wasn't supposed to happen that way.
00:15:09In the middle of this going on, at my house, Donna pulled me aside.
00:15:17And she says, we need to start protecting Matt's stuff right now.
00:15:21And we need to make sure that nothing or no one gets to it.
00:15:25I'll never forget that.
00:15:26And I told her, I'm not worried about that right now.
00:15:29My husband's in there crying.
00:15:31I was doing this because it was Matt's last wishes and to protect Matt and Alan's.
00:15:38So, none of it was making any sense to me.
00:15:42Like, why didn't somebody call us from the accident?
00:15:45We're first of kin.
00:15:46This is his brother.
00:15:48A healthy young man.
00:15:50No medical history of any problems.
00:15:52Just goes off the road.
00:15:54Something's not right.
00:16:01I have to get the tequila for tequila cake.
00:16:05You can't make it without it.
00:16:09Matt loved everything.
00:16:11He'd eat with us two, three times a week in the evening.
00:16:13But he ate every day with us at lunch.
00:16:16He would tell me, I love you.
00:16:19He just wanted somewhere to hang his hat.
00:16:25Ooh.
00:16:26Okay, go ahead.
00:16:27I had to smell the patrón.
00:16:30He could come and eat, drink, and be merry.
00:16:32And it didn't cost him a dime.
00:16:38My dad passed away on a Monday night.
00:16:40He was buried by Thursday.
00:16:42And Donna was the choreographer.
00:16:46She was controlling the whole thing.
00:16:51You couldn't grieve because she was too busy bossing you around to tell you who couldn't be by that casket.
00:16:57I felt like I wasn't even there.
00:16:59I felt like I was watching myself sit in that room.
00:17:02Thought about how we hadn't been talking because the more my dad and Alex's relationship continue on, it put a strain on mine and his relationship.
00:17:11She definitely pushed me out.
00:17:12I think she saw me as a threat.
00:17:16It hurt a lot, you know, to see your own dad just completely forget his family.
00:17:23When we're at the funeral, I'm sitting between my daughter and Jordan.
00:17:28And I held his hand.
00:17:30And when I told him I would do anything for him, I meant that.
00:17:33I meant that.
00:17:36After the funeral, Donna played like a mother role to me.
00:17:40I remember she texted me one night and was like, you know, your dad loved you.
00:17:44He would want me to take care of you.
00:17:46And she would invite me over for dinner, ask if I needed anything, offer to give me money all the time.
00:17:53She seemed genuine until she started seeming kind of pushy on some things, you know.
00:17:57But at the end of it, you think, you know, she's there for her daughter.
00:18:03I let my daughter down.
00:18:05I let him down because if I'd have talked to him that night, he wouldn't have been in that car.
00:18:08If I'd have had him come down here and eat like I generally did every night, he wouldn't have been in that car.
00:18:22Donna called us and said that she had found this wheel that Matt has.
00:18:27Like, but we'd never heard of this wheel before.
00:18:32Matt wouldn't have told us.
00:18:33I wound up texting Donna about it and I asked her, I was like, what does it say?
00:18:39Am I in it?
00:18:41And I remember I told her that I didn't care if I was in it for what he had just to know if he still cared about me.
00:18:50And I remember saying that.
00:18:51She said, I know you're in it because of the man that your dad was.
00:18:55Matt told us about everything, especially this.
00:18:58He would have said, hey, I have a wheel.
00:19:01If something happens to me, this is where it will be.
00:19:04Matt absolutely had a wheel.
00:19:07And how do you know that?
00:19:08Well, for one, I know what Matt told me.
00:19:12He told me.
00:19:14He put it in the safe.
00:19:17My dad had a gun safe.
00:19:18Right after my dad passed away, Lance pulled everything out of the gun safe.
00:19:23Every shelf, completely empty.
00:19:26Matt was very private.
00:19:28He didn't like them to know what he had going on.
00:19:31We knew that combination and it was sitting right there.
00:19:39So this is the last wheel and testament of Matthew Seth Jacobs, my dad.
00:19:45So the beneficiary designations, he left everything to his fiance, Alex Peters.
00:19:52I was 17.
00:19:57I'm his only kid.
00:19:59And it leaves everything to somebody he's been dating for a year and a half, two years.
00:20:04I can't put it into words.
00:20:06I can't.
00:20:07I've tried.
00:20:09But there was also money for college for Jordan.
00:20:13And he had to go to college.
00:20:15$50,000 for college didn't make sense because he knew I didn't want to go to college.
00:20:20I wanted to go work in the oil field.
00:20:21In Matt's sense, he was trying to make him do better and be better.
00:20:27After the wheel was found, he's thinking my dad didn't care anything.
00:20:32It made him feel unloved.
00:20:34I didn't want to stuff.
00:20:38I wanted my dad.
00:20:39And that was it.
00:20:41But it's like he just ditched us and hopped straight over to them.
00:20:47Just putting it, you know, point blank.
00:20:53Matt and Jordan did not have a relationship the whole time Alex and him dated.
00:20:58Now, they can say it's all because of Alex.
00:21:00Alex broke it up.
00:21:01But it's obvious there was issues before he ever met any of us.
00:21:10Matt didn't think Jordan, Lance, or Shauna cared one iota about him.
00:21:17He said many times, if I'm buying, they're riding.
00:21:23And so he left everything to Alex.
00:21:25I knew my brother, and I said, there is no way that he didn't take care of his son.
00:21:33So we were a little suspicious of the wheel.
00:21:37And then we started thinking about the circumstances of his death.
00:21:41Healthy male in his 30s, had a wreck, no traffic involved.
00:21:47The coroner took blood that night.
00:21:50No drugs or alcohol were involved.
00:21:52That even raised more of a suspicion.
00:21:55It was a terrible accident.
00:21:58But you see how they made so much more about it.
00:22:00We have a lot of single-vehicle accidents where they hit a tree, and there are serious injuries involved.
00:22:13Police reports said that he never hit his brakes, that the car just kind of slowly drifted off.
00:22:19Not braking could suggest that they pass out, texting and driving.
00:22:23The accident was strange, the way it happened.
00:22:28I didn't see anything that would indicate foul play of any kind.
00:22:33And the coroner and the state police didn't either, because they didn't deem it necessary for an autopsy.
00:22:39We found out after the fact that there wasn't an autopsy done, because we were never notified as a family unit.
00:22:46We asked the coroner, why didn't you do an autopsy?
00:22:53To me, it was kind of clear-cut that it went off-road and struck the little tree.
00:22:58A person injured in an accident, if it's not any kind of suspicion about was it really an accident,
00:23:05then, you know, the laws of the state of Arkansas does not require an autopsy.
00:23:11I came to the conclusion that he died from blunt force trauma to the chest.
00:23:20Sometimes people fall asleep behind the wheel.
00:23:23It's always a puzzle.
00:23:26Sometimes you don't have the pieces to the puzzle right in the beginning.
00:23:30Sometimes they play out over the course of time.
00:23:32Sometimes we never know the answer.
00:23:40After the accident happened, of course, in a small town, everyone's going to start talking.
00:23:45Everyone's going to have their own opinion.
00:23:46Somebody said, the brake lines had been cut and this, that, and I said, well, you know, how do you know that?
00:23:57They like to stir up stuff all the time.
00:24:00It was one of those things, you know, freak accidents happen quite often, you know.
00:24:04I feel like the family should have been able to make a decision to have an autopsy done at that time.
00:24:17So a lot of stuff didn't add up.
00:24:19The wheel went through probate and then five months after my brother's funeral, Jimmy Davis, who worked at Meek's Pest Control with Matt, was found deceased.
00:24:31And I said, that's odd.
00:24:34Matt, now Jimmy, that's two deaths from Meek's Pest Control.
00:24:52Jimmy worked for my husband for years and it was just terrible.
00:24:57It was a terrible time.
00:24:59I was there that day.
00:25:03We did find Jimmy Davis' body right under the bridge.
00:25:07We shut down that section so we could preserve whatever evidence, if we needed to.
00:25:12We are going to treat it like a homicide because we don't know at first.
00:25:15The coroner took the body to the Arkansas State Crime Lab and that's where they did the autopsy.
00:25:21Everybody knew Jimmy and he had a smile that just illuminated the room.
00:25:27Bubbly personality.
00:25:29He was very hardworking and not only did he work for Meek's Pest Control with Matt, he also went to Doug and Donna's home and did work out there.
00:25:41All the investigators came out and started collecting all the evidence from that area.
00:25:47There was no blood on the rails of the bridge.
00:25:50The eyewitnesses' statements say he was at a convenience store on Cash Road and purchased beer, which was not uncommon.
00:25:58He left the convenience store.
00:25:59He was walking back to his house and there was a little creek with a bridge over it and the last person that saw him saw him standing on that bridge and then he just disappeared.
00:26:11How did he get to where they found him underneath the bridge?
00:26:16Knowing Jimmy and who he was, he was not a suicidal person.
00:26:21He loved life.
00:26:22As far as the autopsy, there was nothing.
00:26:26He had no marks on him and there was a speculation that maybe he was either looking over or sitting on the bridge and fell over.
00:26:33Maybe he was too intoxicated and lost his balance.
00:26:36Being that Jimmy and Matt worked together on a daily basis for the hearings and mysteriously died five months apart, I have thought about the correlation.
00:26:58It's just a little suspicious.
00:26:59But the two deaths were closed cases, no answers, just a lot of rumors and unsolved questions.
00:27:11I don't remember Jimmy Davis.
00:27:15I don't know.
00:27:15Did he die up under my watch?
00:27:19I didn't know all those particulars about that until Bo told me.
00:27:24And I never assumed anything was wrong because I knew Jimmy.
00:27:28Jimmy, you know, and Jimmy liked his alcohol.
00:27:33He liked it.
00:27:41You can go to three different places and you'll hear three different stories, you know.
00:27:46The only thing is, is that, you know, at some point in time, somebody's going to come out with what the real truth is.
00:27:52Right.
00:27:53If you hang around long enough, the truth will emerge.
00:27:58After Matt died, Alex received one check for $884,000.
00:28:10Alex lived her best life after that.
00:28:14Everybody else was going to work.
00:28:16She was going to have fun.
00:28:17She bought vehicles, party barges, baseball games, Bruno Mars concert.
00:28:24The money was set aside and put in the bank.
00:28:27She's my only child.
00:28:29She could say, Mom, I want this.
00:28:31I wrote the check.
00:28:32We seen pictures on social media of a beach trip after beach trip that Alex would be on.
00:28:39If my brother meant as much as they say he did to them, why would her daughter be at the beach three months after my brother's funeral with another man?
00:28:48It's like they were celebrating.
00:28:50What an ass.
00:28:54We paid for my car out of there.
00:28:56It was all legitimate stuff.
00:28:58There really wasn't nothing flamboyant spent.
00:29:02It ate on me a lot.
00:29:03I said, something's just not right.
00:29:05It was starting to piss me off more and more every day when I saw how she was acting afterwards.
00:29:10I was still trying to figure, who do I talk to?
00:29:14Who can I trust?
00:29:15It's no one in this town that I can trust.
00:29:21He said, I don't like it.
00:29:22He said, I want to figure out what the hell happened with this wheel, where did it come from?
00:29:26He said, it just don't sit right.
00:29:27He said, I need some answers.
00:29:28And then I said, you know what?
00:29:29I do too.
00:29:32So Lance Googled best attorney in Little Rock.
00:29:35I think he called like eight or nine different attorneys.
00:29:38And Adam was the only one that picked up the phone.
00:29:43I get a lot of these calls all the time.
00:29:50They almost always don't work out.
00:29:52It's disgruntled heirs.
00:29:54People who have been left out of a will and are mad about it.
00:29:57But there's usually nothing I can do.
00:30:00You know, I've had a client leave $5 million to a cat.
00:30:04But after Lance first told me about the will, it was kind of an emotional story from the beginning.
00:30:10I did want to help him.
00:30:13So I asked him to send me the will.
00:30:15And just right away, I noticed that it was created through one of those, you know, online will companies that are out there.
00:30:22But also, as I started reading through it, I just thought, you know, no one would ever draft a will like this.
00:30:28Like inheritance percentage was blank.
00:30:32County, county, one child, just the number one.
00:30:36And the second line said, I attest that I am engaged to Jordan Alexandra Peterson.
00:30:41I've never seen a will that states who they are engaged to because there's no legal significance.
00:30:50My spidey sense started going off and just wanted to dig deeper and pretty quickly found it was made by an online company called Formswift.
00:30:59Then I just called their customer service number and luckily got a friendly agent on the line.
00:31:06And she told me it was created on January 24th, 2015, five days after Matthew died.
00:31:13So it was impossible for the will to be legitimate unless he signed it from his grave.
00:31:23And then I started thinking, what's going on?
00:31:26Who could have done this and why?
00:31:28This is the park store where Matt was working briefly in August or so when Alex and him was dating the very first summer.
00:31:49Matt called me one afternoon to bring him some lunch if I was coming this way and I was coming this way.
00:31:55So I got him some chicken from Popeye's and I come up here to give it to him.
00:32:01You know, Matt was one of the sweetest people you would ever meet.
00:32:06And people may say, well, he's not your son.
00:32:08He's not this.
00:32:09It didn't matter.
00:32:10I loved that boy.
00:32:11My husband loved that boy.
00:32:12My family loved that boy.
00:32:15And to know that there wasn't going to be any more Christmases, there wasn't going to be any more birthdays.
00:32:20That is a horrible, horrible feeling.
00:32:25After we discovered the will was fraudulent, I went straight to Lance and said, Lance, I have good news and bad news.
00:32:46What do you want to hear first?
00:32:48And he said, the bad news.
00:32:49He said, I called Formswift and this will, your brother didn't write this will.
00:32:58And all that money that passed through this will didn't pass according to his wishes.
00:33:04He goes, okay, well, what's the good news?
00:33:06I said, I know who did it and I have the receipts.
00:33:10I said, this will was drafted by Donna Herring.
00:33:14It took me to a bad place.
00:33:23A bad place.
00:33:24This woman not only stole from Jordan, but made him feel unloved.
00:33:31I remember my stomach nodding up where my hands start sweating.
00:33:41It made me so angry that it made me numb almost.
00:33:49Donna tried to take me under her wing, tried to be like a mother figure to me.
00:33:54Just really, really, really, really tried to like manipulate me.
00:34:01Deep down, that person was hurting me the whole time.
00:34:05Hurting my whole family.
00:34:09I just felt like I was a puppet and I was being controlled.
00:34:13We know that this will was forged and that this wasn't a signature.
00:34:17So it looked to me like it was just photocopied.
00:34:21I believe Donna probably, as Matthew's realtor, had Matthew's signature.
00:34:31She copied it and pasted it onto this Forbes with will that she had created.
00:34:38Her sister and her sister's husband signed this will.
00:34:42After I knew I had some pretty good proof that this will should be thrown out, I needed to build the case.
00:34:52But I couldn't have filed a civil lawsuit right away because they would have known that we were looking into them.
00:34:58And Jordan, he had told me what he had heard around town.
00:35:02They're just blowing this money.
00:35:04So it was kind of a race against time to just stop them.
00:35:09As much as I wanted to, I never confronted either one of them.
00:35:13And that was probably the hardest part, was keeping to myself, knowing what they'd done,
00:35:19and that they were fixing to get in a lot of trouble over it.
00:35:22So, I went back to the will.
00:35:28The biggest thing that popped out, you know, was right on the first page.
00:35:31She added in there, make arrangements for my remains to be cremated.
00:35:37Cremation?
00:35:38Man never talked about cremation.
00:35:40We always said we want to be just buried.
00:35:44I know for a fact my dad would not have wanted to be cremated.
00:35:47You know, he wanted to be buried next to his mother.
00:35:49Donna drafted this will five days after Matthew had died.
00:35:54So, she knew that he was already in the ground, dead and buried.
00:35:59By default, the will would have said that Matthew wanted to be buried.
00:36:04But she manually changed it to cremation.
00:36:08Why?
00:36:09Was she trying to cover up evidence that she was worried about?
00:36:14I wasn't no longer concerned about why they did what they did.
00:36:19It was more of what happened to him.
00:36:22It made me honestly think that she had something to do with his death.
00:36:28That she had maybe even murdered him.
00:36:33Say what you miss, lick your lips.
00:36:35As I learned more about the forging of this will,
00:36:48I just really started wondering about what Donna's motivation was
00:36:53and if she had caused Matthew's death.
00:36:57Matthew had driven that road a million times.
00:37:00It was real close to his house.
00:37:01It was a clear and dry road.
00:37:03How did he die?
00:37:05And then five months later, Jimmy Davis,
00:37:08while Donna was trying to push through this fake will,
00:37:11who knows what Matthew told Jimmy about,
00:37:15that Donna didn't want anyone to know.
00:37:17So, that's, you know, body number two.
00:37:20And then the story gets stranger.
00:37:34I started knowing Matt when I was 16 years old.
00:37:38He was seven or eight and got to watch him grow up and enjoy life
00:37:45and seemed like a little brother to me.
00:37:49For probably three months before his death,
00:37:52he was telling me about the issues he was having with Alex
00:37:55that were causing problems in his family.
00:37:58It was causing problems with his son, Jordan.
00:38:00And he felt like, well, because of this girl,
00:38:02they weren't able to spend time to get me no more.
00:38:05And I said, look, man, maybe you're not in the right relationship.
00:38:09Maybe you need to step back and look at this.
00:38:11The Friday before he died, I saw him.
00:38:19He was spraying the school with Jimmy Davis.
00:38:23I told them both hello.
00:38:24And then Matt said, I need to talk to you a minute.
00:38:27And so he told me that he finally decided to break it off with Alex.
00:38:33The only reason why he couldn't get out of the situation yet
00:38:37was because they were threatening him.
00:38:39Threatened Matt for what?
00:38:42They told him that they were going to turn him in for being with a minor
00:38:45because she was 17 when Matt started dating her.
00:38:50That never happened.
00:38:51Girl, get me a Bible.
00:38:53That never happened.
00:38:57Told him that, you know, he just needed to take the stand.
00:39:00And even if they tried to press charges against him,
00:39:04to know that his family and his friends were going to support him.
00:39:09And he said, I will.
00:39:11He said, brother, he said, I will.
00:39:12And I gave him a big old hug.
00:39:14And he got in the truck.
00:39:16I told Jimmy by and they left.
00:39:18And that was the last time I saw him.
00:39:20A year or so after Matt had passed,
00:39:37Lance called me and told me about the wheel.
00:39:40And I had just assumed all this time that the money was probably in Lance's name for Jordan.
00:39:49And he said, I feel like something happened to my brother.
00:39:53And when he said that, so immediately my mind is thinking to all these things.
00:39:59And I'm like, you know, maybe, maybe something bad did happen here
00:40:04because I know Matt was telling me these things.
00:40:06Should I have reached out to Lance, told him that weekend,
00:40:11would Matt still be here?
00:40:13It made me start thinking, what happened to Jimmy?
00:40:23Because it was strange how they just all of a sudden found him dead.
00:40:28And if you connect the dots, he was with Matt all the time,
00:40:33working for Donna Herring's husband.
00:40:35And he was close to them.
00:40:37So I feel like Jimmy could have known what happened to Matt.
00:40:43Then I got to questioning, did they think he knew too much?
00:40:49Right now, I can't say the degree of what Jimmy knew.
00:40:52But when Jimmy passed, Donna came over with a blue suit
00:40:57to take it to the funeral home for Jimmy to wear.
00:41:02I will not say that she wasn't coming in a genuine place,
00:41:07but I know that a lot of times people do things because you feel guilty.
00:41:15And so it was strange.
00:41:22I told Lance, dude, you tell that attorney to do whatever he's got to do.
00:41:35Call whoever he needs to call.
00:41:37I said, but Lance, keep your mouth shut.
00:41:39Don't say nothing.
00:41:40I said, because I'm telling you,
00:41:42I don't know that your brother just accidentally just drove off the highway
00:41:47because there's just something that ain't right about him.
00:41:52I don't usually come across dead bodies in my practice as a tax lawyer,
00:42:00but I kind of became like a criminal forensic investigator.
00:42:05I went back to the documents,
00:42:07and all these things just kept popping out.
00:42:11On the accident report, it says that the airbag deployed,
00:42:14but on the death certificate,
00:42:16it says that he died from trauma to the head and chest,
00:42:19and we found out that there wasn't a single drop of blood in the car.
00:42:24So why wasn't there an autopsy performed?
00:42:27Why?
00:42:32Lance and Jordan told me that Donna, who's the queen bee of town,
00:42:36people would bend to her whim.
00:42:39I know that you're a good person.
00:42:42Well, thank you.
00:42:42And to do what you do, you have to be a good person.
00:42:45You know how to do your job.
00:42:46Right.
00:42:47You know how to do it.
00:42:48You know what to do.
00:42:48You've been doing this a long, long time.
00:42:51Hey, baby.
00:42:52Good seeing you.
00:42:52I'm not sure how she became such a high status in the community,
00:42:58but she's very good friends with the sheriff
00:43:02and the people that helped run the town.
00:43:06I wasn't worried about it because I knew you were in charge.
00:43:10You're going to do what's right.
00:43:12And, you know, that never fazed me.
00:43:16Never fazed me.
00:43:20Everyone that I talked to in Camden was scared of Donna.
00:43:24You would have so many people saying, be careful.
00:43:29It'll put a little fear in you because, you know,
00:43:30now you're fixing to expose somebody for what they've done.
00:43:35I remember getting a little tingle down my spine.
00:43:38Okay, what are these people capable of?
00:43:42They may have killed Matthew Jacobs.
00:43:46They may have killed Jimmy Davis.
00:43:49So there were high stakes here.
00:43:54I love snowmen.
00:44:03I always have.
00:44:05And if you notice, my other key decorations are roosters.
00:44:11Those are the two men you can do something to,
00:44:13and it's perfectly fine.
00:44:14If the rooster makes you mad, you can cut him up and fry him up.
00:44:17And if the snowman makes you mad, you just melt him.
00:44:21So, I like those two men.
00:44:37Donna had paid for a will from an online will company
00:44:41that was based in San Francisco
00:44:42that's sending money across state lines.
00:44:44Wire fraud.
00:44:44It was a federal crime, so the FBI was able to take it on.
00:44:51My name is Tanya Salbatura.
00:44:52I'm a supervisory special agent with the FBI
00:44:55assigned to the Little Rock field office.
00:45:00My jurisdiction really was the online will,
00:45:04but the circumstances around Matthew's death
00:45:07piqued my interest,
00:45:08and that became part of this investigation.
00:45:11I started piecing together interview reports,
00:45:14accidents reports on what had happened,
00:45:17but we needed to get to Camden
00:45:20to interview the main subjects or co-conspirators
00:45:22all at the same time.
00:45:23It was a major operation.
00:45:31Not only was there 15 special agents from the FBI
00:45:36coming down from Little Rock to assist in these interviews,
00:45:40but we also had professional support
00:45:44coming from the Arkansas State Police.
00:45:46It also involved the execution of multiple search warrants
00:45:50at different locations on the same day.
00:45:53Bank, Donna's Law Office, Donna's Century 21 office,
00:45:58her home.
00:45:59When you add on search warrants,
00:46:01you have forensic specialists,
00:46:03CART specialists, evidence response specialists,
00:46:06so the bodies add up very quickly.
00:46:08You know, the FBI visited Century 21 that day,
00:46:12and we didn't even know they were...
00:46:13The whole town was caught off guard.
00:46:16Yeah, I remember that the FBI came to town
00:46:19and just nerve-wracking, you know,
00:46:21you immediately think, oh, my gosh,
00:46:23what if I say something wrong?
00:46:25I know nothing!
00:46:26Yeah, exactly.
00:46:29The morning we conducted the interview of Donna Herring.
00:46:32We timed it when she would be working
00:46:34at her Century 21 office.
00:46:36Usually, people are not very excited
00:46:38to meet an FBI agent, right?
00:46:39They're, like, a little wary,
00:46:41but she was happy to see me.
00:46:43And we sat down, and like in most interviews,
00:46:46the interviewee is speaking.
00:46:47I'm going to let them say all they want to say.
00:46:50I'm Donna Herring, and this is my story.
00:46:55And then she went through different personalities.
00:46:58Because when I first got there, it was,
00:47:00oh, sweetie, so happy to have you here.
00:47:03To crying because he died,
00:47:05and she loved him so much.
00:47:07To cussing like a sailor.
00:47:10To talking about being baptized.
00:47:13Harmony Grove Methodist Church saved my life.
00:47:15She was all over the place.
00:47:17At some point in the interview,
00:47:19I let her know that I knew that the will,
00:47:22she had created it.
00:47:23And it had been created on 4swift.com.
00:47:27And very quickly,
00:47:29Donna wanted me to believe
00:47:30that she had found Matthew's original will.
00:47:34And that it left everything to Alex.
00:47:39I made a copy.
00:47:42The verbiage is a little different,
00:47:44but the outcome's the same.
00:47:46If you drive a red Camaro 100 through a red light,
00:47:49you're doing the same thing
00:47:50if you drive a blue Mustang through it.
00:47:53They're not identical,
00:47:55but you get the same result.
00:47:56And it was really out of the goodness of her heart
00:48:00that she created another will,
00:48:01so Jordan wouldn't be left out.
00:48:10When I asked her where the original will was,
00:48:12she told me,
00:48:13I don't have that will anymore.
00:48:15I threw the original away
00:48:17because I didn't need it
00:48:19because it was only a copy.
00:48:20She ultimately admitted
00:48:23to creating the will online
00:48:24and that it was a fraud.
00:48:28Okay, I took the will
00:48:29and I added Jordan to it.
00:48:31Can I go now?
00:48:33Then I asked her what she thought
00:48:35the night Matthew died,
00:48:36what happened?
00:48:37And she went into this story
00:48:39of how his doctor
00:48:40was over-prescribing him medication
00:48:43and how she really thought
00:48:45that that night
00:48:46he'd taken too many Xanax pills
00:48:48and that's why he crashed his car.
00:48:49It was just the dosage
00:48:51was a little wrong.
00:48:55The night that Matthew crashed his car,
00:48:57there was blood drawn,
00:48:58but his blood was not tested for Xanax
00:49:01or any prescription medications,
00:49:04just alcohol.
00:49:07During her interview,
00:49:17Alex was relatively quiet.
00:49:19She didn't say a lot,
00:49:21but at the same time,
00:49:22she didn't fall far
00:49:24from the tree she came from.
00:49:26She didn't say it directly,
00:49:27but she did admit to believing
00:49:29that her mom was behind
00:49:30the creation of the will.
00:49:33Another important detail
00:49:35that came out of Alex's interview,
00:49:38the night Matthew died,
00:49:39a sheriff deputy
00:49:40had located Matthew's phone
00:49:42and the deputy goes over
00:49:43to Lance and Shauna's house
00:49:45and that's how Lance
00:49:46came to be in possession
00:49:47of the phone
00:49:47and Lance gave it to Alex.
00:49:51I wanted that phone
00:49:53because I was hoping
00:49:53to find evidence
00:49:54and when we asked her
00:49:56if she still had that phone,
00:49:57she said,
00:49:58no, I don't have it anymore.
00:49:59Later, I learned that Matthew's phone
00:50:02at the time of our interview with her
00:50:04was being used by her boyfriend.
00:50:05So she completely lied to us.
00:50:09We tracked it down,
00:50:10but unfortunately,
00:50:11the phone had been wiped
00:50:12multiple times
00:50:13and at that point in time,
00:50:15did not have any evidentiary value.
00:50:26I would have loved
00:50:27to have the text messages
00:50:29on Matthew's phone,
00:50:31but his phone
00:50:32was not backed up
00:50:33to the cloud.
00:50:35However,
00:50:36another thing Alex admitted
00:50:38is that she had seen
00:50:39sexual nature text messages
00:50:41going back and forth
00:50:43since she had access
00:50:45to Matthew's phone.
00:50:49So on the night that he died,
00:50:51Matthew was headed
00:50:53to go see his girlfriend,
00:50:55who was not Alex.
00:51:05During the interview,
00:51:15Alex admitted she suspected
00:51:16that Matthew was seeing
00:51:18another woman
00:51:19around Christmastime
00:51:20before he crashed in January
00:51:22and he died.
00:51:24Matt told two friends
00:51:26about the other woman,
00:51:28Lori Skeens,
00:51:28and that him and Alex
00:51:30had broken up.
00:51:32Matt had a new relationship.
00:51:35He had met Lori
00:51:35while working for Meek's
00:51:37pest control
00:51:38out on a job.
00:51:40He was out at her dad's property
00:51:42where she was living
00:51:43and they were very attracted
00:51:46to each other
00:51:47and Matt had a reputation.
00:51:49He was somebody
00:51:50who's known to go
00:51:51from woman to woman.
00:51:52He'd been engaged
00:51:53multiple times.
00:51:55He liked women.
00:51:55And so, I mean,
00:51:57from that point on,
00:51:57it was kind of like game on.
00:51:59After interviewing Lori,
00:52:01looking at phone records,
00:52:02we believe that the night
00:52:04that he crashed his car,
00:52:06he was going to see Lori.
00:52:09Alex knew about Lori
00:52:11and Donna and Alex
00:52:14were also very close.
00:52:16So it's plausible
00:52:17that Donna knew about Lori
00:52:19before Matthew's death.
00:52:22I didn't find out
00:52:23until four or five months later.
00:52:25I have a hard time
00:52:27believing that.
00:52:29I was devastated
00:52:31because I had sat here
00:52:33and watched my child
00:52:35be hurt
00:52:37and it's all over again.
00:52:40It's like
00:52:41another knife in the heart.
00:52:44And all I had was
00:52:46protection mode for my child.
00:52:50Donna called Lori
00:52:51multiple times
00:52:52in the presence of others,
00:52:53threatening her,
00:52:55wanting Lori to apologize
00:52:56for her conduct with Matt.
00:52:58She wanted Lori
00:52:59to apologize to Alex.
00:53:00I was mad.
00:53:02I was livid.
00:53:04What were you saying
00:53:05to her on the phone?
00:53:06Oh, there's no telling.
00:53:07I don't remember,
00:53:08but I can promise you
00:53:09I was not being nice
00:53:11and docile.
00:53:12Listen,
00:53:13when you're in
00:53:14Mama Bear mode,
00:53:15you don't care
00:53:16if it's the rabbit
00:53:17crossing the street
00:53:18if you're mad.
00:53:19That rabbit better tell you
00:53:20why he's crossing
00:53:21that street.
00:53:22And I was in
00:53:23Mama Bear mode.
00:53:25I just wanted her
00:53:26to explain to me,
00:53:27was it sexual?
00:53:28Was it just dirty talk?
00:53:30And pretty much,
00:53:31she's just like,
00:53:32we shouldn't have been texting.
00:53:35He's engaged.
00:53:36I am so sorry.
00:53:37That's why I think
00:53:38it was just innocent BS.
00:53:41The significance is,
00:53:43is if he had broken up
00:53:44with Alex,
00:53:44that means that
00:53:45his estate
00:53:46is not going to go to Alex
00:53:48upon death.
00:53:50Alex was Donna's princess
00:53:52and she would do anything
00:53:54to make sure
00:53:55that she was taken care of
00:53:56and in Donna's mind,
00:53:58money was the answer.
00:54:00And that's why
00:54:01Donna was so ready
00:54:02to pounce
00:54:02on creating this well
00:54:04after he died.
00:54:06I heard that
00:54:07they had broken up
00:54:08and they had
00:54:09a new girlfriend
00:54:09and I heard that.
00:54:11Okay, well see,
00:54:12that may have acted.
00:54:14I have no idea
00:54:14if it's true.
00:54:15It's not true.
00:54:16It's not true.
00:54:18The FBI's narrative
00:54:22was that this
00:54:23was all vengeful.
00:54:24We wasn't going
00:54:25to let him get by
00:54:26with dumping our baby
00:54:27and we were going
00:54:29to get his money.
00:54:31None of that's true.
00:54:36Donna had told me
00:54:38that the day
00:54:38that my dad passed away
00:54:40that Alex had
00:54:41just picked out
00:54:41her wedding dress.
00:54:43But when I started
00:54:44hearing that he was
00:54:45on his way
00:54:46to see another woman,
00:54:47I did realize
00:54:48that she was trying
00:54:49to plant that seed
00:54:50that they were
00:54:51still together.
00:54:52She wanted to seem
00:54:53like the widow
00:54:54of a multi-millionaire.
00:54:58She is very good
00:55:00at manipulating people
00:55:02and like implanting
00:55:04beliefs into their head.
00:55:06It's almost like
00:55:07if Alex and my dad
00:55:09were babies
00:55:10and she's sitting
00:55:10there spoon feeding them.
00:55:12It's just the creator
00:55:13of the madness.
00:55:18There was a really
00:55:20good amount of evidence
00:55:21that had been obtained
00:55:22by grand jury subpoena
00:55:24and by interviews
00:55:28and forensic review
00:55:29of devices.
00:55:31And what came back
00:55:33was that we had
00:55:34a very good timeline
00:55:36of the creation
00:55:38of the Formswift will
00:55:40that had occurred
00:55:41many days after
00:55:43Matthew Jacob had died.
00:55:45There's one person
00:55:46with all the information
00:55:47and everyone else
00:55:50she is using
00:55:51to play a role
00:55:52in a criminal conspiracy.
00:55:57She put Diane Kinley
00:55:59and John Kinley
00:56:00in harm's way
00:56:02with the little stunt
00:56:03to have them sign
00:56:04the will.
00:56:05We also know
00:56:07that Alex is the one
00:56:08who gave Donna
00:56:10the combination
00:56:11to the safe
00:56:12where the will
00:56:13was ultimately found.
00:56:22She is the master plant.
00:56:38She manipulated
00:56:39eight, nine, ten people
00:56:42to get a million dollars.
00:56:43You do whatever
00:56:44you got to.
00:56:46I mean,
00:56:47I wasn't worried.
00:56:49I wasn't worried at all.
00:56:51Donna hired
00:56:53a very good attorney,
00:56:54pled not guilty.
00:56:56They were doing
00:56:57everything they could
00:56:58to stay out of prison.
00:56:59I told myself
00:57:00whatever happens,
00:57:01happens.
00:57:01And I'm sticking with it.
00:57:03And if it gets nasty,
00:57:04it gets nasty.
00:57:05I never dreamed
00:57:06it would be all this.
00:57:07Never in my wildest dreams
00:57:09did I think
00:57:11it would be all this.
00:57:13But remember,
00:57:14everything comes
00:57:14with a price tag.
00:57:16Everything.
00:57:16Everything.
00:57:16Front door's unlocked.
00:57:25Okay.
00:57:26Okay.
00:57:26I bet she was
00:57:27going to Hartford's house.
00:57:28Captain, police!
00:57:30If you're in here,
00:57:31natch yourself!
00:57:33Captain, police!
00:57:39I got music in here.
00:57:41I got a woman.
00:57:43I got a man.
00:57:44She's got a gunshot wound.
00:57:45She's got a gunshot wound.
00:57:52Getting a compression?
00:57:55Ma'am?
00:57:57Okay, when you come
00:57:58back over here,
00:57:59I can't really talk about it.
00:58:01I haven't talked about anything
00:58:02because it's been
00:58:03subpoenaed to go
00:58:04to that big trial.
00:58:06Okay.
00:58:07No, we don't.
00:58:10While the cases
00:58:11were still going on,
00:58:12before they were resolved,
00:58:14we heard that
00:58:14Matt's girlfriend,
00:58:15Laurie Skeens,
00:58:16was found
00:58:17with a gunshot wound
00:58:18to the chest
00:58:19and she was dead.
00:58:21Matt's deceased
00:58:28at this point.
00:58:30Jimmy's deceased
00:58:31at this point.
00:58:32And now,
00:58:33Laurie Skeens.
00:58:35Could you imagine
00:58:36what's going through
00:58:38our heads at this point?
00:58:40I do remember
00:58:41thinking,
00:58:42oh,
00:58:43okay,
00:58:44should I be scared
00:58:44for my life?
00:58:46A lot of people
00:58:47in this town
00:58:48were very sad
00:58:49about that.
00:58:50Yeah,
00:58:51she looked like
00:58:52sunshine, really.
00:58:53Laurie was a...
00:58:54She was a doll.
00:58:55She was...
00:58:56She had dimples.
00:58:56Yeah,
00:58:57such a joy
00:58:58to be around.
00:59:00Smiled a lot,
00:59:01loved to laugh.
00:59:01Yeah.
00:59:02Very sad.
00:59:04The story I was given
00:59:05is that she was
00:59:06laying in bed
00:59:06and that she
00:59:08supposedly
00:59:09had committed suicide.
00:59:12Her death certificate
00:59:14was pretty interesting.
00:59:16Self-inflicted wound,
00:59:18suicide,
00:59:19signed by
00:59:20Sylvester Smith,
00:59:21coroner.
00:59:23The same coroner
00:59:25that signed
00:59:26Matthew's death certificate.
00:59:27Not only did I
00:59:31have investigated,
00:59:32but you got to realize
00:59:33the police was there, too,
00:59:34because it was
00:59:34involving a gunshot.
00:59:37Most of the time,
00:59:38we all kind of
00:59:39in agreement
00:59:40because we're not,
00:59:42then that body
00:59:42would have went
00:59:43to the medical exam
00:59:44and saw it.
00:59:46Anything could have
00:59:47happened to her,
00:59:48you know,
00:59:48but part of me
00:59:49believes that
00:59:50somebody in this situation
00:59:51had a hold over her
00:59:53because she died
00:59:56before any court dates
00:59:57had happened
00:59:58to appear as a witness.
01:00:01You know,
01:00:02the timing is
01:00:02a little strange.
01:00:05People can take it
01:00:06and twist it
01:00:06all they want to.
01:00:08She was never
01:00:09their witness
01:00:09because there was
01:00:10nothing to tell.
01:00:15The death of
01:00:16Lori Skeens
01:00:17piqued my interest
01:00:18because obviously
01:00:19she was a witness
01:00:21in this investigation
01:00:22and Donna had
01:00:24called Lori
01:00:25and threatened Lori.
01:00:26So I did reach out
01:00:28to local law enforcement
01:00:30because it was
01:00:30their jurisdiction.
01:00:33From the police report,
01:00:34I learned that
01:00:35law enforcement arrived
01:00:37and, you know,
01:00:37they found her
01:00:38barely breathing.
01:00:39She got a gunshot wound.
01:00:40I can tell
01:00:41there's a hole
01:00:42in her back.
01:00:43They were definitely
01:00:43in shock.
01:00:44I mean,
01:00:44I think sometimes
01:00:45when we discuss this
01:00:46even now,
01:00:47I mean,
01:00:47you know,
01:00:47I don't understand
01:00:48how she could do this.
01:00:49Right.
01:00:50And what got so bad
01:00:51that she had to do that?
01:00:53Was it because
01:00:53of Matt's situation?
01:00:55Was it because
01:00:56of threats
01:00:57that might have been?
01:00:57Like,
01:00:58what was she going through
01:00:59that had to bring her
01:01:01to a need
01:01:02to commit suicide
01:01:03if that was the case?
01:01:06I hadn't talked
01:01:07to that girl
01:01:08in a year,
01:01:11probably,
01:01:11or more.
01:01:12That's what I'm telling you.
01:01:14Mine and her relationship
01:01:15was short-lived.
01:01:17Okay?
01:01:17We weren't BFFs.
01:01:21Boom.
01:01:22Gone.
01:01:23There was no...
01:01:24Mm-mm.
01:01:25Mm-mm.
01:01:26Their investigation revealed
01:01:27that Lori suffered
01:01:29from depression
01:01:30and that she did have
01:01:31a history of suicide.
01:01:33She had discovered
01:01:34that she had
01:01:35lung cancer
01:01:36and I guess
01:01:37she didn't want
01:01:38to die that way,
01:01:40suffering.
01:01:40Taking that into account,
01:01:47while on its surface
01:01:49it seems really suspicious,
01:01:50I think that Lori
01:01:51probably did,
01:01:52in fact,
01:01:52commit suicide.
01:01:53about a month
01:02:06before the trial,
01:02:08Donna pled guilty.
01:02:11She took the easy way out.
01:02:12She was a coward about it.
01:02:14Well, I took complete
01:02:15responsibility
01:02:16for everything
01:02:17and I will tell you
01:02:18right now,
01:02:19you can put me
01:02:20under oath,
01:02:21I'll swear on a Bible,
01:02:22my daughter
01:02:24had nothing
01:02:24to do with anything.
01:02:27She knew nothing.
01:02:29You know how
01:02:30protective I am.
01:02:31I would not have
01:02:32let her
01:02:33if I'd have thought
01:02:34anything bad
01:02:35was going to happen.
01:02:37Anything
01:02:37that put us
01:02:38in any danger,
01:02:39I wouldn't have
01:02:40asked her to do nothing.
01:02:41Does she blame you
01:02:43for this?
01:02:44But yeah,
01:02:44she blames me.
01:02:46It is my fault.
01:02:48It is my fault.
01:02:50It's totally my fault.
01:02:52It's all my fault.
01:02:54I mean,
01:02:54it is.
01:02:56Alex at any time
01:02:57could have spoke up
01:02:58and said,
01:02:58no,
01:02:58we're not doing this.
01:03:00But she didn't.
01:03:06We were a little
01:03:07disappointed.
01:03:08You know,
01:03:08I was always
01:03:09wanting a jury trial.
01:03:10It could have gotten
01:03:11more time,
01:03:12more punishment for it.
01:03:13I was just looking
01:03:15forward to the day
01:03:16of the sentencing
01:03:17and hearing a judge
01:03:19sentenced her ass
01:03:20to prison.
01:03:21after Donna pled guilty,
01:03:38you know,
01:03:38around town,
01:03:39the word was that
01:03:40there's more to it.
01:03:42You know,
01:03:42she's pleading guilty
01:03:44to it
01:03:44to cover her ass
01:03:46for the stuff
01:03:47that she doesn't want
01:03:48dug up
01:03:48and more charges
01:03:49added on.
01:03:50The wire fraud case,
01:03:53it was proven.
01:03:55But what happened
01:03:56the night Matthew died?
01:03:59After learning
01:04:00about the timeline,
01:04:03Donna's potential motive,
01:04:05and just the suspiciousness
01:04:08of him crashing
01:04:09his car that night
01:04:10on the highway
01:04:11that he was so familiar with,
01:04:13likely going to see
01:04:14another woman,
01:04:16it's just not plausible
01:04:18to me that he fell asleep
01:04:19at the wheel.
01:04:20And Donna had told me
01:04:22in an interview,
01:04:22and other people
01:04:23had also corroborated it,
01:04:25that she frequently
01:04:26brought him dinner.
01:04:27She brought him dinner
01:04:28almost every night.
01:04:30And so,
01:04:31one of the theories
01:04:32that I had
01:04:34was,
01:04:35had she
01:04:36poisoned him?
01:04:37She did have,
01:04:42you know,
01:04:44access to stuff
01:04:45like that
01:04:45where you're having
01:04:46a husband
01:04:46that runs pest control.
01:04:48We poisoned him,
01:04:50we give him
01:04:50an overdose.
01:04:55That's just ridiculous.
01:04:57That is ridiculous
01:04:58about doing something
01:05:00to his food.
01:05:00I was hoping
01:05:04to find
01:05:05any evidence
01:05:06that maybe
01:05:07could answer
01:05:08the questions
01:05:08of why he maybe
01:05:09lost consciousness
01:05:10that night.
01:05:12Unfortunately,
01:05:13there was not
01:05:14an autopsy done
01:05:15of his body
01:05:15that night.
01:05:18And so,
01:05:19we needed to
01:05:20exhume his body.
01:05:22When I heard
01:05:32about the exhumation,
01:05:34I was so disgusted.
01:05:36Let that child alone.
01:05:38Because you know what?
01:05:40They can keep
01:05:40on digging him up.
01:05:41They're not going
01:05:41to find nothing different.
01:05:48I spoke with
01:05:49the district attorney
01:05:50and the judge
01:05:51and the coroner
01:05:53and it really
01:05:54takes all three parties
01:05:56including the family
01:05:57to support
01:05:59the exhumation
01:06:00of Matthew.
01:06:01Where to jump
01:06:02through hoops
01:06:02for an autopsy
01:06:04that should have
01:06:06been done
01:06:06in the first place.
01:06:08It's a little bit
01:06:09of a gamble
01:06:09any time you
01:06:10exhume a body
01:06:11that's been
01:06:12in the ground
01:06:13over a year.
01:06:15I talked
01:06:15to the prosecutor
01:06:16and he just
01:06:17basically told me
01:06:18with this criminal
01:06:19investigation,
01:06:20we think it's
01:06:21probably be
01:06:21best that we
01:06:22you know
01:06:24exhumed his body.
01:06:26That is a joke.
01:06:33There was not
01:06:34a set date
01:06:35for the exhumation yet.
01:06:37I was still working
01:06:38with the lead pathologist.
01:06:41He was out of town.
01:06:42One day,
01:06:47I got a call
01:06:48from the special agent
01:06:49with the state police
01:06:50that I was working with
01:06:51and she's like,
01:06:52Tanya,
01:06:53they're exhuming
01:06:54the body
01:06:54right now.
01:06:58I had got
01:06:59a phone call
01:06:59from Tanya
01:07:00and she was telling me
01:07:02that I needed
01:07:04to get down
01:07:04to the cemetery
01:07:05immediately.
01:07:06Jordan had called me
01:07:07and said,
01:07:08hey,
01:07:08they're exhuming
01:07:09today.
01:07:10They're at the cemetery
01:07:11right now.
01:07:11I said,
01:07:12huh?
01:07:13Who was exhuming
01:07:13the body?
01:07:14And she's like,
01:07:14the coroner is.
01:07:16We started,
01:07:16you know,
01:07:17the process
01:07:17of exhuming
01:07:18the body
01:07:18after we got
01:07:19all the paperwork
01:07:19signed by a judge.
01:07:21You know,
01:07:23I was just
01:07:23concentrating
01:07:24on doing my job
01:07:25getting him
01:07:25out of there.
01:07:26If you don't,
01:07:27somebody literally
01:07:28could get away
01:07:28with murder.
01:07:32So I get down there
01:07:33and the first thing
01:07:35I do is I look down
01:07:36at my dad's grave.
01:07:38So it was a shock.
01:07:40You know,
01:07:40we weren't prepared
01:07:41for it that day.
01:07:43They had some
01:07:43county workers there
01:07:44and I said,
01:07:46this is totally
01:07:47unprofessional.
01:07:48Do not dig
01:07:49an ounce of dirt.
01:07:50Why did you
01:07:51exhume his body
01:07:52with no coordination
01:07:53with law enforcement,
01:07:54basically?
01:07:56And was there
01:07:56a date
01:07:57that the exhumation
01:07:58was supposed
01:07:59to take place?
01:08:01Uh, no.
01:08:03I think they
01:08:04left it up to me.
01:08:07Looking back
01:08:08at how
01:08:09Sylvester Smith
01:08:10was handling this
01:08:11was very poor
01:08:12and questionable.
01:08:15And we did it
01:08:15as best as we could.
01:08:18They dropped him
01:08:19three times
01:08:21before they finally
01:08:21got him out
01:08:22of the grave.
01:08:25I'm sorry you had
01:08:26to go through this
01:08:27and witness this,
01:08:28but you wanted
01:08:29to determine
01:08:30if your brother
01:08:30was murdered or not.
01:08:32And this is the process
01:08:33we had to go
01:08:34to determine that.
01:08:35It's not something
01:08:36that I wanted to do.
01:08:37I think it's something
01:08:38that I owed my brother
01:08:39to get closure.
01:08:45It made it feel
01:08:46more real,
01:08:46I'll say that.
01:08:47You know,
01:08:48what happened
01:08:48and like,
01:08:49this might hurt.
01:08:51Finding out
01:08:52what I want to know.
01:08:54Did he pass out
01:08:56because of prescription pills?
01:08:57Was he on
01:08:58some form of narcotic?
01:09:00He might have been drugged,
01:09:02slipped some pesticides
01:09:02or something.
01:09:04That's the only thing
01:09:04I can think of
01:09:05because I know
01:09:06if he was on his way
01:09:07to see a woman,
01:09:08the last thing
01:09:08that was on his mind
01:09:09was sleep.
01:09:11You know,
01:09:11hopefully I'll be able
01:09:12to get answers
01:09:12from that
01:09:13because I would like
01:09:15to know.
01:09:16The panel tested
01:09:17for like 300 different
01:09:20like drugs
01:09:21and narcotics.
01:09:22It was a pretty
01:09:22extensive panel.
01:09:24When Matt's body
01:09:32was finally examined,
01:09:34the medical examiners
01:09:35said it was well-preserved.
01:09:38But the panel,
01:09:40it was all negative.
01:09:41So there was no evidence
01:09:42that he was taking anything
01:09:44that would be typical.
01:09:49However,
01:09:50there are certain poisons
01:09:52that you have to test
01:09:53specifically for.
01:09:55And so we needed to know
01:09:56what we were looking for.
01:09:58There could be
01:09:58hundreds of different options
01:10:00that Matthew possibly
01:10:01had ingested.
01:10:04However,
01:10:04he did have
01:10:05a ruptured aorta.
01:10:07And so that was the,
01:10:08you know,
01:10:08the blunt force trauma
01:10:09that was a cause of death.
01:10:11I mean,
01:10:11they determined
01:10:12that he died
01:10:13from blunt force trauma
01:10:14to the chest,
01:10:15just like what I said
01:10:16and what I had
01:10:17on the death certificate.
01:10:18So that was
01:10:19the most satisfying thing
01:10:20about the whole thing
01:10:23that I silenced
01:10:24the critics.
01:10:26I know Ms. Donna,
01:10:27she wouldn't kill nobody,
01:10:28not over no money.
01:10:30And I just,
01:10:30and it turned out,
01:10:31you know,
01:10:31it turned out to be correct.
01:10:33It did not answer
01:10:36my question of why.
01:10:38Like,
01:10:38why did he
01:10:39crash his car
01:10:40into a tree that night?
01:10:41I was very depressed.
01:10:44We kind of just sat there
01:10:45for a little while,
01:10:46you know,
01:10:46it was very quiet.
01:10:47It was me,
01:10:48Uncle Lance,
01:10:49Aunt Shauna.
01:10:50We all just kind of sat there.
01:10:56At this moment,
01:10:58I don't have any indication
01:11:00that Donna killed
01:11:02any of those three people.
01:11:04None.
01:11:08Didn't they exhume him?
01:11:09Didn't find nothing,
01:11:10did they?
01:11:11Nobody did nothing
01:11:12to that child.
01:11:13Nobody.
01:11:14It was pathetic.
01:11:16It was pathetic.
01:11:27Donna Herring pleaded guilty
01:11:29last January
01:11:30to one count of wire fraud
01:11:32in connection
01:11:32to a fake will
01:11:34created for the late
01:11:35Matthew Seth Jacobs.
01:11:37There was a very limited
01:11:38amount of information
01:11:39that was disclosed
01:11:41in the context
01:11:41of these proceedings,
01:11:42but for the larger story,
01:11:46there's definitely
01:11:47more to it.
01:11:51On my sentencing day,
01:11:53I had to have
01:11:54a statement written
01:11:55that I took responsibility
01:11:57for my portion,
01:11:59but no one needs
01:12:00to be naive
01:12:00and think I did that alone.
01:12:02Lance Reed,
01:12:05let's talk about that,
01:12:07because no matter
01:12:07whether you believe
01:12:09there was or wasn't,
01:12:10he was involved.
01:12:12He knew the will
01:12:14was fake
01:12:14the whole time
01:12:15it was being probated.
01:12:17Him and his wife
01:12:19sat at my office
01:12:20with me
01:12:21when I made it.
01:12:22So in her sentencing
01:12:25memorandum,
01:12:26she accused Lance
01:12:28of being involved
01:12:30in the entire scheme.
01:12:33And this is where
01:12:34things start to get weird.
01:12:36I cannot give you
01:12:44a comment, you know.
01:12:45Just wanted to know
01:12:45how you're feeling.
01:12:47Great.
01:12:48Glad it's over.
01:12:49Lance Reed
01:12:50should have been sitting
01:12:51right beside me
01:12:52the entire time,
01:12:53and he wasn't.
01:12:54And I have the text messages
01:12:57between me and Lance
01:12:58and Shawna,
01:12:59because see,
01:13:00I kept all mine,
01:13:02they didn't.
01:13:02Lance Reed
01:13:10wanted half the money,
01:13:12and he said,
01:13:13well,
01:13:14Matt couldn't stand
01:13:15that kid.
01:13:16Matt couldn't stand
01:13:17that kid.
01:13:18Don't give him anything.
01:13:21Screwed the boy.
01:13:32That night,
01:13:36Shawna and Lance
01:13:37met me at my office.
01:13:39We had the papers
01:13:41we had found
01:13:42in Matt's little desk,
01:13:44and it had the draft wheel,
01:13:47and Lance tells me,
01:13:50we just need to go ahead
01:13:51and do the wheel.
01:13:53And Shawna,
01:13:53we can't do it,
01:13:54we can't do it,
01:13:55we can't do it.
01:13:56I said,
01:13:57okay.
01:13:58And he says,
01:13:58let's just do the wheel,
01:14:00just do the wheel.
01:14:00So I do the wheel.
01:14:01He was involved
01:14:06to get money.
01:14:11On the day of the sentencing,
01:14:13Donna claimed that
01:14:14Lance had a part
01:14:16in it with her,
01:14:17that he helped her
01:14:18forge the wheel.
01:14:21He knew he could
01:14:23manipulate me,
01:14:24because I made the wheel,
01:14:25I made the copy.
01:14:27And so,
01:14:28he brought me a list
01:14:30on a piece
01:14:30of notebook paper,
01:14:32he wanted half
01:14:34the money,
01:14:35he wanted the tractor,
01:14:36the welders,
01:14:37he wanted everything.
01:14:39Lance had me over a barrel,
01:14:41because then if I didn't
01:14:43give him stuff,
01:14:44he could tell on me.
01:14:45Man, I hope nobody
01:14:46believes that.
01:14:47part of me wanted to stand up
01:14:51and ask,
01:14:51what the hell are we doing here?
01:14:53Are we playing mind games,
01:14:54or are we sending some people
01:14:55to jail?
01:14:57Donna had a few reasons
01:14:58to try to point the finger
01:14:59at Lance.
01:15:00One was to get,
01:15:03to get a lighter sentence
01:15:04at sentencing,
01:15:05but also,
01:15:06I think,
01:15:07in the court
01:15:08of public opinion.
01:15:10We're interested
01:15:11in pursuing justice,
01:15:12not in getting
01:15:14a certain conviction,
01:15:15and if there are
01:15:16other co-conspirators,
01:15:18that needed
01:15:18to be sorted out
01:15:20after the sentencing
01:15:21of this case.
01:15:24Topping our news
01:15:24at six,
01:15:25a Camden woman
01:15:26has been sentenced
01:15:26to 41 months
01:15:27in prison
01:15:28for creating
01:15:29a fake will
01:15:30that...
01:15:30Donna received
01:15:3141 months
01:15:32in the Bureau
01:15:33of Prisons,
01:15:34followed by three years
01:15:35of supervised release.
01:15:36Donna was also
01:15:37ordered to pay
01:15:39$132,964.66
01:15:44to Jordan Jacobs,
01:15:46joint and several
01:15:47with her sister Diane
01:15:49and her brother-in-law John.
01:15:51That's how much
01:15:52was taken out
01:15:53of the estate
01:15:53and hasn't been returned.
01:15:55John Kinley
01:15:55was sentenced
01:15:56to prison
01:15:57for 12 months
01:15:59and one day,
01:16:00and Diane Kinley
01:16:01was sentenced
01:16:02for 18 months.
01:16:04Okay.
01:16:06Alex admitted
01:16:07to lying to us
01:16:08about Matthew's phone.
01:16:10Alex was given
01:16:11six months
01:16:12house arrest
01:16:13and three years probation,
01:16:16so not jail time,
01:16:18but she is a felon now.
01:16:23So what's your relationship
01:16:24with Alex like now?
01:16:26Very strained.
01:16:27Very strained.
01:16:29Very strained.
01:16:30Does she still
01:16:31come by the house?
01:16:32We're not going
01:16:32to talk about that.
01:16:34We will ruin the makeup.
01:16:36We're not going
01:16:37to talk about that.
01:16:38No.
01:16:45Jordan got
01:16:46almost all
01:16:47of his dad's estate.
01:16:48There were three houses,
01:16:50a lot of the personal
01:16:51property,
01:16:52and the cash.
01:16:55Having my dad's estate back,
01:16:57it felt like
01:16:57I had a piece
01:16:57of my dad back.
01:16:59It's like we're
01:16:59right back to where
01:17:01we were before
01:17:02he met Alex.
01:17:02the peaceful part
01:17:05of our relationship.
01:17:07It felt good.
01:17:09And, you know,
01:17:09don't get it twisted.
01:17:11At any point
01:17:12of any day,
01:17:13I would give it back
01:17:13to have him back.
01:17:15I'm just thankful
01:17:28that the cemetery
01:17:29keeps up the grass
01:17:30mowing.
01:17:33When I couldn't
01:17:34come out here anymore,
01:17:35I knew they would've
01:17:36never done nothing
01:17:37to keep it up.
01:17:37I guess I was right.
01:17:44But I bet
01:17:45if it had an ATM
01:17:46hooked to it
01:17:47and they had the card,
01:17:49I bet they'd come
01:17:50see it.
01:17:52I bet they would.
01:17:55And if there's
01:17:55such a thing as
01:17:56turning over
01:17:57in your grave,
01:17:58he's probably
01:17:58done a spiral.
01:17:59After the sentencings,
01:18:05I had to take
01:18:06another look
01:18:07at the case.
01:18:09Donna had made
01:18:10the allegation
01:18:10that Lance was
01:18:11part of the crime.
01:18:13One of the biggest
01:18:14flaws we can ever
01:18:15do as an investigator
01:18:16is to kind of
01:18:16have tunnel vision
01:18:17as far as looking
01:18:18at only one person,
01:18:19right, when maybe
01:18:20there's other people
01:18:21that were part of it
01:18:22or there's just
01:18:22more to the story.
01:18:24So Donna told me
01:18:25that she had
01:18:26text messages.
01:18:28And so I immediately
01:18:29was like,
01:18:29show me.
01:18:30You show me
01:18:30these text messages.
01:18:31I want to see them.
01:18:33I'm just thankful
01:18:33I kept text messages
01:18:34because he told
01:18:35me to delete them.
01:18:38I don't know
01:18:39what text message
01:18:40she would be
01:18:41talking about.
01:18:41I was willing
01:18:42to show everybody
01:18:43my cell phone records.
01:18:44We just automatically
01:18:46bonded because we
01:18:47committed a crime
01:18:47together.
01:18:48Just call it
01:18:48like it is.
01:18:49After Donna started
01:19:00pointing the finger
01:19:01at Lance,
01:19:02I went through
01:19:03every single text message
01:19:05between Lance,
01:19:07Shauna,
01:19:07basically everybody
01:19:08who was involved
01:19:09in the case
01:19:10and looked at them
01:19:11under a new light.
01:19:12What's interesting
01:19:16on the night
01:19:17and morning hours
01:19:18that Donna was
01:19:19creating Matthew's
01:19:20will,
01:19:21she's sending them
01:19:22text messages.
01:19:23She's calling them
01:19:25at late hours.
01:19:25I was angry.
01:19:29You've lost your brother
01:19:30and then you're
01:19:32defending your nephew
01:19:35and now I'm trying
01:19:36to defend our name
01:19:37and we've got one person
01:19:39wreaking all this havoc.
01:19:41Lance talked to me
01:19:42several times.
01:19:43He was like,
01:19:43do you really think
01:19:44I've done it?
01:19:45And I was like,
01:19:46no, I don't.
01:19:47Stop asking me
01:19:48because I don't believe it.
01:19:49I know that he would
01:19:50never hurt me like that
01:19:51and I know he would
01:19:52never disrespect
01:19:53his brother like that.
01:19:55Lance just created
01:19:59this whole story
01:20:00and the FBI,
01:20:01they ignored everything.
01:20:03They ignored everything.
01:20:06The text messages
01:20:07are all very circumstantial
01:20:09and taken out of context
01:20:11and really Donna fishing
01:20:13at that time
01:20:14trying to bring them
01:20:15into her crime.
01:20:17We happened to be
01:20:18on her list of people
01:20:19that she made a phone call to
01:20:21on the same day
01:20:22that she was trying
01:20:23to create a fake wheel
01:20:24would make it look
01:20:26like we have attached
01:20:27to her.
01:20:28Lance was not part
01:20:29of this crime.
01:20:31Lance was a victim
01:20:32and same with Shauna.
01:20:35Unfortunately,
01:20:37I don't think that Donna
01:20:38is done with trying
01:20:40to drag this family
01:20:41through the dirt.
01:20:42She's a dangerous woman
01:20:43with her words.
01:20:45I'll never understand
01:20:46why she still thinks
01:20:47that she can accuse
01:20:48others
01:20:50as a part
01:20:52of her
01:20:52poor decisions.
01:20:57That's something
01:20:57Donna Herring
01:20:58has to live with.
01:21:06Who is it?
01:21:09Oh,
01:21:10my probation officer.
01:21:11Today,
01:21:26I'm on my way
01:21:27to self-surrender
01:21:28to the Bryan
01:21:30Women's
01:21:31BOP camp.
01:21:33I'm not worried.
01:21:34This is the ends,
01:21:36the closing chapters.
01:21:39This is it.
01:21:40A lot of people
01:22:04in this town
01:22:04were very upset
01:22:06because they feel
01:22:07like everyone involved
01:22:08just basically
01:22:09got a slap on the wrist
01:22:10and there was
01:22:11no justice
01:22:12for Matt
01:22:13that there was
01:22:14foul play involved.
01:22:16Yeah,
01:22:16and living in Camden,
01:22:17you never know
01:22:18what's true.
01:22:22What still bothers
01:22:24you about this case?
01:22:25What is still
01:22:26open-ended?
01:22:27I mean,
01:22:28the bodies.
01:22:31what happened
01:22:33to Matthew
01:22:34on January 19th?
01:22:36It's really
01:22:37my hope
01:22:38that this film
01:22:39is able to generate
01:22:40some answers.
01:22:43If new evidence
01:22:44surfaces that,
01:22:45let's say,
01:22:46foul play was involved,
01:22:47we could absolutely
01:22:48open the case up.
01:22:50The more people
01:22:51I talk to
01:22:51in town about it,
01:22:53it will be thrown
01:22:54out there.
01:22:54I think she had
01:22:55something to do
01:22:55with his death
01:22:56in every
01:22:58single conversation.
01:23:00What else
01:23:00has that person
01:23:01gotten away with
01:23:02if it was that easy
01:23:03for her this time?
01:23:03Yeah.
01:23:06I hope there's
01:23:07still a chance
01:23:07I could get
01:23:08those answers,
01:23:09but I was able
01:23:10to move on
01:23:11with my life
01:23:11and move forward.
01:23:16Probably the
01:23:16highlight of my life
01:23:17was having
01:23:19my little boy.
01:23:21His name
01:23:21is Matthew
01:23:23Seth Jacobs II.
01:23:26It's like
01:23:26it gives me
01:23:27a second opportunity
01:23:28to make up
01:23:28for what happened
01:23:29with me and my dad.
01:23:31I mean,
01:23:32I feel like I'm happy
01:23:32and I'm sure
01:23:33they just kind of
01:23:34picked up and moved
01:23:35on with their life
01:23:35after they
01:23:36took their punishment.
01:23:37Prison was
01:23:51not anything
01:23:52scary.
01:23:54It was perfectly
01:23:54fine.
01:23:55I was perfectly
01:23:55fine.
01:23:56COVID hit.
01:23:57Wasn't a lot
01:23:58to do.
01:23:58I played a lot
01:23:59of cards.
01:24:00Read a lot
01:24:01of books.
01:24:04I was
01:24:04disappointed
01:24:05that Donna
01:24:05got out early
01:24:06but you can
01:24:07still be punished
01:24:08and not be
01:24:09behind bars.
01:24:11I know if
01:24:12I had done
01:24:12my son like
01:24:13that,
01:24:14either one of
01:24:14them,
01:24:15and they didn't
01:24:16have anything
01:24:16to do with
01:24:17dad anymore,
01:24:17I'm getting
01:24:18punished every
01:24:18day.
01:24:21We make
01:24:21our bed.
01:24:22We have
01:24:22to sleep
01:24:23in it.
01:24:29I've done
01:24:30everything
01:24:30the federal
01:24:31government
01:24:31has asked
01:24:32me to do.
01:24:33I have
01:24:34paid my
01:24:34debts to
01:24:35society
01:24:35and I'm
01:24:36going on
01:24:37with my
01:24:37life.
01:24:41What do
01:24:42you have
01:24:42to say
01:24:43to people
01:24:43who say
01:24:44that you
01:24:44were involved
01:24:45in Matt
01:24:46Jacobs'
01:24:46death?
01:24:47No,
01:24:48ma'am.
01:24:49Absolutely
01:24:50not.
01:24:52And I
01:24:52really and
01:24:53truly don't
01:24:54give a diddly
01:24:54damn what
01:24:55anybody thinks.
01:24:56No,
01:24:57I don't
01:24:58give a diddly
01:24:59damn.
01:24:59that you
01:25:02don't
01:25:02have to
01:25:03have to
01:25:04do.
01:25:04I don't
01:25:05have to
01:25:06have to
01:25:06do.
01:25:06I don't
01:25:07have to
01:25:07have to
01:25:07make
01:25:09that you
01:25:09have to
01:25:10have to
01:25:10in the
01:25:11way.