The Rise of China 🇨🇳 & Southeast Asia 🌅 | Carl Zha Talks Power Shift 🌍 | The New Atlas 🎙️ | Forbidden News - video Dailymotion

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In this insightful episode of The New Atlas 🎙️, Carl Zha joins to explore the rapid rise of China 🇨🇳 and the growing influence of Southeast Asia 🌴 on global affairs. As Western dominance declines 📉, new alliances, economic powerhouses, and regional cooperation are reshaping the 21st century 🌍. From the Belt and Road Initiative to shifting geopolitical tides, Carl Zha unpacks how these developments are transforming the global balance of power ⚖️. A must-watch for anyone interested in Asia’s future and global multipolarity. 🚄📈  #ChinaRising #SoutheastAsia #CarlZha #TheNewAtlas #Geopolitics #BeltAndRoad #ChinaPower #AsiaPacific #GlobalShift #MultipolarWorld #BRICS #ChinaInfluence #AsianEconomies #WesternDecline #NewWorldOrder #USChinaRelations #AsianGeopolitics #ChinaNews #PowerShift #GlobalTrends

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00:00:00yeah let me close some of the windows welcome to new atlas live i'm brian burletic today we

00:00:06have a special guest this is a special uh live stream uh joining us is carl za and we are going

00:00:15to be talking about china its rise the effect it has had on its neighbors and u.s efforts to contain

00:00:22it now after this live stream i'm going to post an edited version of this with the rest of my

00:00:27videos on my channel carl will possibly post it on his channel so if you see it pop up again that is

00:00:33the reason why youtube separates live and regular videos and a lot of people don't see the live

00:00:38unless they've tuned in for it so just to let people know that ahead of time because i've seen

00:00:42comments of people say brian this is a repeat i already saw this because we're trying to get

00:00:49around the way youtube organizes videos anyway welcome carl how are you today hi brian thanks

00:00:57for inviting me i wanted to do this with you for a long time ever since we've actually met in

00:01:03bangkok you know i kind of want to talk about my trip my impression of thailand and southeast asia

00:01:11in general and then we can talk about all these craziness around you know trump tariff war and

00:01:17how that's impacting china china's neighborhood in southeast asia and you know what can go from there

00:01:24and i think some people said they want us to comment on india and pakistan i don't know how

00:01:30much we can comment on that but you know maybe we can talk a little bit about it yeah we we can touch

00:01:36on it because i think it's all all obviously connected now uh carl you were born in china but

00:01:43you were raised in the united states i was born and raised in the united states and then since then we

00:01:47have both just made the decision to live our lives here in southeast asia you have gone back to china

00:01:54i've been in the past visited china traveled elsewhere here in southeast asia and so it's it's it's will be

00:02:01an interesting conversation to compare notes as to how things have changed over the years i have been

00:02:06in asia almost my entire adult life uh when i was in the u.s marines i was based in japan for two almost

00:02:13three years and then as soon as i got out of the marines i went straight back to asia i was in

00:02:17thailand singapore i've traveled through malaysia lao and you have been in bali indonesia but you've

00:02:27traveled around indonesia and you've you just came here to thailand where we met and you told me the

00:02:35last time you were here was all the way back in i think 2003 and that was actually around the time i

00:02:40first came here and things have changed so drastically since then uh maybe you could talk a little bit

00:02:48about how it was then we can have a conversation about how it was then and uh the impression it made

00:02:54on you now i came actually one year earlier than that i came in 2002 i went to phuket and then the pp

00:03:05island but i also made a stopover in bangkok at that time my impression of bangkok is kind of what i

00:03:13expected you know it's straight out of like old vietnam war era movies and you know you have uh i was

00:03:21you know i saw like rats growing around in the in the streets and two i remember two o'clock in the

00:03:27morning i went downstairs from the apartment i was staying in to get some uh to get some snacks at

00:03:347 11 and i saw elephant walking down the street this is downtown bangkok this is like not the

00:03:41outskirts this was downtown bangkok so imagine my surprise uh coming back 20 what uh 20 20 23 years

00:03:51later and i saw so much development i mean bangkok has really cleaned up the the the they have bangkok has

00:04:01a very nice clean efficient metro system which i took to meet you um and you know i i took a picture

00:04:09i noted how not only there were new but all the trains that have a protective barriers you know so

00:04:16you can't push people onto the train tracks like they do in new york and the the floor is is immaculate

00:04:24and then people are polite people i mean compared to us especially thai people are super polite um

00:04:31it's it's just nice i mean everything is just nice and we went we met in a mall actually and the mall is

00:04:38just like a mall everywhere but you know it's full of consumer goods there's signs of a burgeoning

00:04:44middle class everywhere uh you know we are also check out the byd uh byd showroom in the mall because i

00:04:51wanted to compare prices uh how much they're selling in bali versus bangkok um but yeah and there

00:04:59was a and we came across these uh a boys band playing to like crowds of teenage girls you know

00:05:06so so this is kind of like the same same across the world uh but but it's but it's still quite different

00:05:14from thailand 23 years ago when i first visited um you know back then you know thailand was still

00:05:20developing but but now um you know i would say uh you know thailand is quite i mean in terms of

00:05:28infrastructure in many ways already surpass the united states especially in bangkok uh and like

00:05:35everything is so convenient i was walking like in the cpd district i like very part of bangkok um

00:05:43um i i'm just you know looking for food in the morning and around like seven six o'clock in the

00:05:50morning um they will have like food vendors lining up on the street that were packing up like rental

00:05:58boxes for office workers who are coming in you know the food is really cheap they're really good but

00:06:04all of them have a qr code you can scan so you just do mobile payment like all these food street food

00:06:10vendors have qr code you just scan and then you pay and you know before i only saw that in china but

00:06:15this is uh prevalent in southeast asia now also in in indonesia um and and which you know we can maybe

00:06:24talk about the trump tariff because it turns out the details of the indonesian trade negotiation with

00:06:32the united states had been leaked one thing that u.s didn't like is actually those localized uh qr code

00:06:41mobile payment system in south east southeast asia specifically said you know the indonesian

00:06:47mobile payment system it uh it benefits the local vendors and they want indonesia to get rid of that

00:06:56and replace it with a mass switch to the mastercard and visa system i mean this is not about very many

00:07:02manufacturing back to the united states this this is just about financial domination uh like what

00:07:08they always try to do but uh in but what i have and and another thing i i saw um about thailand

00:07:16immediately after i left the bangkok airport i saw like four or five giant billboards uh advertising

00:07:24cars you know car ads and all of them are chinese you know like chinese brands that people back home in

00:07:30u.s wouldn't not never heard of you know the great wall motors uh they may have heard of byd but there's a

00:07:36depal there's uh um mg oh they may have mg because it was a british brand and then bought out but anyway

00:07:45the the the thing is there's so much more options available now to the thai consumers and there's

00:07:53definitely a large uh a a middle class you know like during the trade talks people in washington

00:08:00like the treasury secretary scott vice benson he will say something like you know they need us because

00:08:08we have the money they need us to spend to buy their goods like no man the people in asia they're

00:08:15getting wealthier and wealthier they can afford their own goods they can afford the product they

00:08:21they themselves make so that's my my my initial impression of thailand i i you know i was very

00:08:27pleasantly surprised yeah and and i have been here since 2003 and i think the first time i came here

00:08:34was around 2002 that was with the military when i actually moved here was 2003 2004 and yes there

00:08:40it was you know bangkok was i think it was convenient it was it was comfortable but it it's certainly when

00:08:47you compare then to now it has it's made a quantum leap and yes there were literally elephants walking

00:08:53in the streets people would bring the elephants into the city and they would go around to taurus

00:08:58and get them to buy food to feed to the to the elephants and all of that has been gradually phased

00:09:04out i saw a comment in the comment section talking about kind of the the seedier uh types of tourism

00:09:11that thailand has a reputation for this has been gradually in decline for many years and if you

00:09:18were to come here and look for it now you'd be very disappointed it has shrunk to just like one or

00:09:23two streets in the big city and yet these island places where a lot of western tourists though it's

00:09:28because it caters to west mainly western tourists and western tourists have been in severe decline over

00:09:35the years the largest amount of tourists come from china more than all western countries combined and

00:09:42then the next largest group after chinese tourists are tourists from the rest of southeast asia and you

00:09:49could see that the signs used to be in english and japanese and now you see more signs in mandarin but but

00:09:56also russian because i think the largest group of i guess you could categorize them as westerners is

00:10:03actually from russia not europe not the united states so there's been a shift in in that not only

00:10:09people have a misconception that thailand is is a tourist country it depends on tourism uh carl you

00:10:16were saying how scott that's saying they they need us they need our money a lot of western tourists come

00:10:21here and they struck down the street they think they could do anything they want when people are like

00:10:26what are you doing you can't do that they said if it wasn't for me you would all be in the jungle digging

00:10:32for bugs in the ground to eat and it's like no like carl you saw the mall that we met i'm not going to

00:10:39say where it was because we're both on all kinds of lists but it was way outside of bangkok it's not

00:10:46even technically bangkok it was another province the urban sprawl reached there it was i would say

00:10:52suburbs you were talking about a burgeoning middle class as you leave the city you can well in the city

00:10:58you have these huge condominiums that people in the middle class working in the city are living in

00:11:02with their families and also housing developments all as you leave leave the city and you're in the

00:11:08suburbs and so this was a huge shopping mall it's not even in bangkok some people say well that's the

00:11:14capital so that's the reason why but you could find places like this in in the city center of every

00:11:20province everywhere you go so there's been a huge change but carl my next question to you is

00:11:25if it wasn't for the rise of china do you think the united states and europe would have helped thailand

00:11:33and the rest of southeast asia develop in this way do you think this is because of america's uh

00:11:39benevolence grace that that southeast asia has risen or is this because has risen together with china

00:11:47well i mean you mentioned that kind of the the superior attitude of western tourists in southeast

00:11:52asia um and you mentioned about like the seedier side of of tourism that actually started with u.s

00:12:00military uh you know started doing the vietnam war because at that time the american gi's they will

00:12:06take their r and r to places like bangkok and that's when like the the sex tourism industry really

00:12:12started it was started to cater the american gi's uh you know on their uh vacation away from from uh from

00:12:21vietnam vietnam and and that that's kind of like the stereotypical image of thailand in like the

00:12:29western imagination but what china has done what the rise of china has done is you know first you

00:12:36provided a lot of made a lot of consumer goods readily available uh you know for example here in bali

00:12:43our babysitter she has an opal phone and like before china come to the scene smartphone was not

00:12:51affordable it was not affordable to many people in in southeast asia it's it's china then the chinese

00:12:58brands that made these smartphones kind of like the common household items you know and now now every

00:13:04teenage girl can have a have a smartphone have an opel or vivo um and i imagine similar process was

00:13:13happening in thailand as well and and you know they and the also the amount of the infrastructure

00:13:19that i saw infrastructure development i saw you know i know um thailand currently they're they're in talks

00:13:26about building a high-speed rail to join up with the china lao railway and that it's under construction

00:13:37already just just so yes to update it and and that will enable that that's basically kind of the pan

00:13:45asian uh rail network dream that has been in existence for a long time the idea is you will be

00:13:51able to take a train in china travel all the way through southeast asia you know to bangkok and

00:13:57eventually even to singapore um and that dream is coming to fruition right now um as you know china is

00:14:05investing in many of these countries in developing their infrastructure uh you know most notable is

00:14:11that the china laos railway that's already on the border of thailand and and and it's already connecting

00:14:18with like the existing rail system of thailand but now thailand is upgrading it to a high-speed rail

00:14:24so one day you can take a high-speed rail from bangkok out to the the the lao laotian border um and and and

00:14:32and and the cars you know like i mentioned i saw maybe one or two teslas in bangkok i saw so many

00:14:40chinese evs um and this is again it's because the chinese car manufacturers have made evs affordable ev is

00:14:49no longer like uh you know like a luxury item it's not not something that's more expensive than than gas cars

00:14:56and and and you know i i was actually jealous because you know we don't get as many models in

00:15:02bali than you guys do in bangkok you have all the chinese car manufacturers there byd opened a factory

00:15:09there in thailand uh you know because thailand is uh auto uh kind of the auto manufacturer center of

00:15:16southeast asia you know a lot of americans would know this because they only know thailand for like sex

00:15:21tourism they didn't know thailand have a have a burgeoning auto industry or you know like uh like

00:15:28they're moving up the value chain now you know that they're talking about uh manufacturing chips and

00:15:35stuff stuff like that and and this is uh you know all everywhere i travel in southeast asia thailand

00:15:42i've been to thailand malaysia indonesia everywhere is booming uh you know i'd like to say the asia century

00:15:50is already here um that you know you can see the results all around you i i highly encourage

00:15:56people from north from north america whether you're in canada or us come travel come to see southeast

00:16:03asia um many other people from the rest of the world do you know on my plane from bali there was a

00:16:11kuwaiti couple that was sitting next to me and they just finished their vacation in bali and they

00:16:17decided to spend a couple days in in bangkok asking oh why did you chose bangkok and the guy

00:16:23said oh i love it you know like uh you know because bali is still like kind of the place you experience

00:16:28nature and culture bangkok is a modern city you know where we can do a lot of shopping you know they

00:16:34spend two days this they allotted two days just to go shopping in bangkok uh you know it's a happening

00:16:41place uh you know people because the physical location is pretty far from the u.s mainland so

00:16:48you know not many people are aware of it but for many people in asia in particular you know they

00:16:54already know bangkok is a happening place and you know um i just find out uh pepe escobar actually has

00:17:01a place in bangkok i didn't even know that like he was kind of partially based out there uh because he

00:17:07started his career i guess for writing for asia times which was a newspaper based out of bangkok thailand

00:17:16yes um so a couple of things that you were talking about i i have noticed uh larger and larger

00:17:23numbers of chinese manufactured cars on the road here obviously when i first got here was japanese cars

00:17:30and then you saw a large number of american cars because not not because they were importing them from

00:17:35america and i remember there was an auto manufacturing crisis in the u.s and then there

00:17:39was the the car bailout and i remember uh warning people i family back in the u.s because they were

00:17:46talking about well we're not going to close these factories in the u.s but i saw them building the

00:17:51factory here i'm like of course they're going to close it there because they they're moving it here

00:17:56and then they did and over the years you saw japanese american cars and then suddenly you started

00:18:01noticing mg and then the chinese electric vehicles and now you see them absolutely everywhere and

00:18:07there's charging stations absolutely everywhere and it is it's not just a huge shift but it's happening

00:18:12happening very very rapidly much faster than change has occurred over the entire period that i've been

00:18:19here and i think that's that's part of because the acceleration of china's rise but also the acceleration

00:18:25of uh technological research development so so there's a lot of these things uh coming into play

00:18:33mobile phones exactly like there's so many people here now uh i use huawei i still use huawei i've

00:18:40learned to live without google being on my smartphone a lot of people have xiaomi this is an extremely

00:18:46popular uh smartphone there you go and uh and and they're as capable if not more so than apple and

00:18:55they're so so much cheaper and uh so you know like it's a lot of people still get apple phones here

00:19:02iphones here it's more like a status symbol than any sense you know any form of practicality uh and

00:19:09that's you know that's what west western products really have been reduced to they're they're they're

00:19:16a status symbol for people uh but in terms of practicality improving the everyday life of people

00:19:23here in in this country and in the region this is the rise of chinese manufacturing the you know the

00:19:29over capacity as the u.s calls it i would call it abundance and it has materially improved the lives of

00:19:36everybody here i'm trying to think of oh you were talking about infrastructure here i i talked to my

00:19:44my brothers back in the united states often and you know he's always going through areas where there's

00:19:50no coverage and he's he complains about how expensive his his monthly bills are for for

00:19:55telecommunications and we compare notes about you know what i'm paying what he's paying my wife has

00:20:02like all of these different plans and even you add all of them up it's still less than what he's

00:20:07paying for just one plan and why why is that is it does telecommunication just for some reason cost

00:20:14more in the u.s or is it because there's two completely different systems at play here and i i

00:20:20wanted to ask you about a little bit more we're talking about thailand but you you're in bali and

00:20:26indonesia and you've traveled around there how have you seen developments uh improve there

00:20:32and aren't there chinese joint indonesian chinese infrastructure projects there and what's the

00:20:38impact been of those uh actually there is a power plant north of valley that's been built by china

00:20:45you know that's providing electricity on the island um so yeah so i mean i'm and all the uh the right

00:20:52now we are live over the internet is because huawei built out 4g network here uh you know they already

00:21:01have 5g in the city center than pasar but i i live out in the boondocks so i don't get 5g i only get

00:21:084g and and because i live in the jungle you know we are the first like only third houses in the whole

00:21:17area so like the electric company they don't build lines to uh for like the the cables or for internet so

00:21:26i had to use basically rely on like similar to mobile data but you know still working we are

00:21:33still talking and this is this is because of huawei and and and and and now uh a lot of chinese

00:21:40company are coming to indonesia to uh to they're investing in nickel mines you know because traditionally

00:21:48indonesia are serve as a raw commodity producer it exports rock commodity and receive manufactured

00:21:56goods so what indonesian government is trying to do they're trying to encourage local manufacturing

00:22:02they banned the export of indonesian nickel so now a lot of chinese investors are coming in

00:22:08to set up refineries in indonesia to refine nickel locally because nickel is used in the

00:22:15uh in the lithium ion batteries for evs for example so that's that's a very important uh critical

00:22:23resource so so so there's tons of chinese investment around that and this is the thing

00:22:30you know us is trying to force countries in southeast asia to pick a side you know it's easier you're either

00:22:37with us or against us but they're really trying to want them to pivot away from china but us is not

00:22:45offering alternatives right us is not saying here take a shitloads of money you know here take

00:22:50this bag of money this will be your compensation for cutting off china but no you know united states

00:22:56is not doing that instead they slap tariffs they say okay if you do what i say i'll think about

00:23:02scaling back the tariff it's all all stick no carrots uh this is why xi jinping recently was touring

00:23:09through southeast asia and he was getting red carpet treatment and not only that asean which is an

00:23:17organization of all southeast asian countries recently their trade representative met with a

00:23:23trade representative from china japan and south korea and they just made an announcement they're gonna form

00:23:32like the biggest free trade block and they they they they made a joint statement condemning trump

00:23:38tariff and their post any unilateralism and they're gonna they have placed emphasis on so by the way

00:23:47this is a this is huge because if you look at china has 1.4 billion people southeast asia has somewhere

00:23:55around 680 million people japan has like more than 100 million people and korea has 50 million people

00:24:03so altogether you have more than 2 billion people living in this zone this is new free trade zone this

00:24:09is a giant economic block and and east asia is already you know where most of the uh economic activities

00:24:19are in the in in terms of global trade so but by the way this is also another reason why united states

00:24:25want to insert itself into stuff like the south china sea dispute because they will say oh we're here to

00:24:32guarantee a free and open indo-pacific we're here to guarantee to guard safeguard the vital trade trade lane

00:24:40but they don't tell people the the vital trade lane it's it's where any like 80 percent of the traffic

00:24:49is to and from china you know and so so essentially u.s navy's claim is there in south china sea to guard

00:24:57this vital sea lane of china from china which is completely ridiculous right and and and and this now

00:25:06this this region is going to be even more tightly integrated with the chinese supply chain because

00:25:12a lot of the you know as china's uh economy is moving up the value chain they're also shedding a

00:25:18lot of more labor intensive industry like textile and they're moving to southeast asia like vietnam

00:25:25indonesia etc and and also this is this is also accelerated by the u.s push for decoupling from china

00:25:33so a lot of the chinese factory as well as the foreign uh multinational they're moving their supply

00:25:39chains to places like vietnam but the reason they chose vietnam is precisely because it's

00:25:46proximity to china because it's it's very easy to access the chinese supply chain so in essence the

00:25:53chinese supply chain is expanded to the rest of southeast asia you know all these factories they still

00:25:59depend on china for machine tools for parts uh you know this is why it makes sense to move to

00:26:08say vietnam uh uh or rather than say india because vietnam will be a lot closer but uh you know one of

00:26:15the one of the result of the by the way you talk about iphone iphone is still made in china you know

00:26:2280 percent of iphone is still made in china and and only the americans are now they're gonna get a

00:26:27different version because uh tim cook said okay well to satisfy the tariff we're gonna move just

00:26:33enough production to india so so the americans will get a special made in india iphone the rest of the

00:26:40world will continue to get regular iphone made in china and this is the same for many western brands

00:26:46you know even luxury brands so what people are really paying when they buy western brands you are

00:26:51paying for the brand and marketing right it's still made in china everything is still made in china by

00:26:57chinese labor in chinese factory it's like if they just slap a western brand on it and you bring a

00:27:04huge premium chinese make about sixty dollars on every iphone produced right majority of the profit

00:27:11is being captured by apple you know because because the apple brand so a lot of people are now starting

00:27:18to wake up to that fact you know they're seeing the videos on tiktok where they show all these luxury

00:27:24bags you know the europe the others of louis vuitton bags they're mostly made in china they just slap the

00:27:33the european luxury brand on it and certainly they have to pay top dollars for it so this is the world

00:27:39we are you you when you're paying goods you're paying either made in china goods with chinese brand

00:27:44which is a lot cheaper or you're making you're paying for made in china goods with the western brand which

00:27:50you pay shit tons of more premium for all very good points uh the the point of moving uh moving

00:27:59manufacturing to southeast asia but still relying on supply chains emanating out of china i wanted because

00:28:06because now we're moving into u.s versus china territory and i just wanted to make one more comment

00:28:11about the cost of living i have family back in the u.s carl i'm sure you know plenty of people back in the

00:28:17u.s the cost of living spiraling out of control there here i just every day i realize how lucky i

00:28:25am the cost of living is so low here uh everything is so affordable i'm not thai so i'm not covered by

00:28:32thai universal health care thai people are you know my the rest of my family here is is covered by that

00:28:38but if i have to go to the hospital for something and i have to pay out of my pocket for it i could still

00:28:43afford it there there are things that uh we have had to pay for at the hospital out of pocket that

00:28:48if this happened in the u.s i would be living under a bridge and and fighting with a stray dog for my

00:28:53dinner so just that alone it should be a wake-up call but a lot of americans they don't understand

00:29:01this they think whatever's happening in the u.s is happening everywhere and they're the lucky ones

00:29:05and everyone else is living uh under even even worse conditions that the image that they have in their

00:29:11head of southeast asias very different than i want sure i want to add on to that because uh my my

00:29:19you you because kind of now i i think about healthcare in u.s my mom still lives in north

00:29:25carolina and you know her doctor just told her uh like it seems like her uh bladder is a little it's

00:29:32like dripping or something they told her to get a scan right like they told her to get a scan and and

00:29:38and so she she she tried to sign up for scan and it's like three months she has to wait three months

00:29:44just to get a scan and and and and to get a test whereas here i uh just recently because i am covered

00:29:51because through my wife um i'm covered by by local insurance so so recently i i had a minor surf accident

00:30:00i got the i got caught in a really big wave and the the wave slammed the board really hard against

00:30:06my head and i had like a minor concussion and so i was a little bit worried so i wanted to you know

00:30:12uh they told me okay just get a get a scan just just in case get a scan of your brain making sure

00:30:18everything is okay i just want i walked in and got down this you know the same same day not not the same

00:30:26day just like a couple hours later it's done i mean like and i paid nothing it was all covered by

00:30:31by insurance i mean that's amazing that's this thing does not happen in the united states and also

00:30:38my uh you know i used to make uh you know decent money working i.t back in the u.s but still i was not

00:30:46able to afford a house in la because it was just out of my reach like by i just would not be able to

00:30:53afford a house by myself um at least in the neighborhood i want to live in and and whereas

00:31:00now you know in bali i'm making a like tiny fraction of what i used to make but i have a very

00:31:08nice uh i have a i am i'm able to support a family of four you know and and and and i have my own house

00:31:16my own car and and you know i don't need anything else i don't i don't i mean maybe maybe like uh okay

00:31:23in u.s maybe i can afford to go on more vacation but really i didn't have you know enough location

00:31:29time to do that but here i i i'm very content very happy in terms of affordability i mean there's no

00:31:38comparisons southeast asia great food um great great price um and you know that's why i'm not i'm not

00:31:47leaving i'm not returning back to us you know i'm putting my roots in bali here this is my island now

00:31:53um yes and and we are both people that have had the experience of living in both places and this

00:31:59is the decision that we we've decided to make and it seems to me such an obvious decision um like my

00:32:07wife's family they're not rich people but her father has owns a house her sister owns a house they have

00:32:15cars they have everything that they need they live very comfortable lives when they get sick they can go to

00:32:19the hospital and they get treated right away they're not they're not on long waiting lists to to

00:32:25get basic treatment they get it right away and even if the hospital you registered at for some reason

00:32:30there's some kind of hang-up you go to another one you could afford to pay for it out of pocket and

00:32:35that's what society should be it should be a place where everybody can can live together and have a

00:32:42comfortable life it should not be this this zero-sum competition where there's there's winners and

00:32:47losers and the losers are are uh you know always teetering at the edge and this is kind of an

00:32:53extension of the the system china has china has a system like this there's the concept of common

00:32:59prosperity built into their legal system companies have to serve a purpose they cannot just pursue

00:33:05profit blindly and you see a lot of this in just there's a mix like the economies aren't purely

00:33:11capitalist they're not purely communist there's a mix and it's very practical and it reflects that

00:33:17i'm not saying there's not corruption there's not bad things happening of course there there are but

00:33:22the basic idea is that society should serve everybody living in it not just a small handful

00:33:28of course there's a handful of people who are extremely wealthy and well off but everyone else can

00:33:34live a very comfortable life so it's very important to to constantly harp on that and and show

00:33:41people there is an alternative system it is being used in many places around the world and life is

00:33:47demonstrably better visibly better you can you can see it every single day in your life now let's

00:33:54move more towards uh oh and you were talking about the so let's talk about the united states which is on

00:34:01the other side if you have a globe in southeast asia you have to turn the globe 180 degrees around it's

00:34:07literally on the other side of the planet and yet the us is so deeply involved here in this region

00:34:13and as you say carl they have no alternative to to offer they say you can't do business with china

00:34:20you're not going to do business with china we will ruin you we will burn your country to the ground

00:34:25they're burning myanmar to the ground right now as a matter of fact here in thailand we we talked

00:34:30about all the good things in 2009 from 2010 there were heart there was horrible violence in bangkok

00:34:36there were militants with war weapons backed by the us fighting soldiers could you imagine that carl uh

00:34:43rpgs and ak-47s in in in these places where you you shop and uh people look it up on there's videos on

00:34:50youtube of because then they lit everything on fire as they were retreating from the us uh from the thai

00:34:57soldiers who were trying to get it back under control it was horrific and this was all us backed

00:35:03it's the color revolution model that they were trying to use here because they could see this

00:35:09happening they could see the whole region working out from under us hegemony and working closer and

00:35:16closer with the rising china and so just for an example the high-speed rail line is under construction

00:35:22right now here in thailand they have a new central station um separate from the the current central

00:35:28station and that's where the high-speed rail line will run out of from bangkok to up north to lao as

00:35:36you mentioned and you could already see the elevated uh line in some places already uh well underway

00:35:44the us-backed political party led by this this billionaire well he's not a billionaire his mommy is a

00:35:50billionaire he's just the the son and he was talking about we need to stop we're too close to

00:35:57china we need to be closer to the us europe and japan and instead of wasting our money on this horrible

00:36:04high-speed rail line which moves billions of people every year in china we should invest in the hyperloop

00:36:11i don't know if people even remember the hyperloop and he he went to nevada he has this video on his

00:36:17political party's youtube channel of him looking at this uh rink-a-dink uh toy basically not even a

00:36:24real prototype and then he came back and he did this big long presentation in thai about how great

00:36:30it would be how this is going to catapult thailand head and shoulders above everyone else who's too too

00:36:35dumb to work with the us they're too busy working with china and then what happens that whole project

00:36:40got closed down and went absolutely nowhere didn't move a single passenger anywhere in any actual

00:36:45capacity and now thailand continues on on the past with the high-speed rail line that will connect

00:36:51with the rest of china and what does that tell you what does that little story tell you it tells you

00:36:55the us has artificial alternatives just to sell something to the people to get them on board sell

00:37:01them this fantasy that they know will never materialize and what they're actually offering

00:37:07is nothing they're offering you stagnation destitution and we always talk about this carl and this is i'll

00:37:14and then i will let you talk about uh where you think u.s china tensions are right now especially this

00:37:20tug of war over southeast asia uh they they want to dominate the world this whole tariff

00:37:28plan was encapsulated in project 2025 the chapter was written by peter navarro who's now in the trump

00:37:35administration overseeing it and the opening sentence is not about we need to make america

00:37:41great we need to re-industrialize america the first sentence is about how the us is the dominant

00:37:46superpower and needs to remain the dominant superpower and we have to stop china from from taking our

00:37:53place and so that's what this is all about and how do you exercise dominion over the rest of the

00:37:59world when you're only four four and a half percent of the global population you don't do it by out

00:38:03competing everyone that is impossible you do it by dividing and destroying everyone else

00:38:08and ruling over the rubble so uh carl where do you see um this is maybe we'll just put this up on the

00:38:15screen real quick uh this one right here so cnbc news trump officials beset and greer to meet with

00:38:25chinese counterparts on trade economic issues so this is may 6 2025 and greer is the u.s trade

00:38:32representative and in his his testimony in front of the senate during his confirmation hearing

00:38:37all he talked about was the u.s needs to implement policies that will enable american domination over

00:38:42china uh where do you see all of this uh right now and where do you think it's going to go carl

00:38:48yeah i think uh jeffrey sachs uh gave a talk recently to uh indian media uh he basically said

00:38:57united states hate china not because of anything china down to u.s in particular but because china

00:39:04is successful china is successful without you know following in the washington model without

00:39:12pulling the line and the fact that china has uh the the level of china success now challenged washington's

00:39:20dominant position all across the field in ai in technology uh and and in economy and that's not

00:39:28acceptable that's that that's it's really what you you just said about peter navarro it's all about

00:39:34maintaining american dominance american hegemony and this is a really real reason they try to bring china

00:39:40down but they're doing this through really stupid way though this trump tariff i mean um trump just gave a

00:39:50talk recently to to to a news conference he said well you know you know china they take advantage of us

00:39:57you know like they they take everything from us in our our trade they have they have a one trillion

00:40:03dollar trade surplus you know they're taking one trillion dollars away from us um you know i i feel

00:40:10the same way about grocery store right you know every time i buy so many stuff from the grocery store they

00:40:16never buy anything from me it's so unfair and then trump goes on to say you know what now with

00:40:24the tariff 145 percent uh you know there's no business of course because it's a it's a it's it's

00:40:31ridiculously high tariff so so there's no business but you know what it's not a bad thing because that

00:40:36means we're not spending that 1.1 trillion dollars we're saving that one trillion dollars so in fact you can

00:40:43say we're making one trillion dollars so so i'm like okay yeah i really want that byd supercar you

00:40:50know the the young one you you nine that cost 250 000 us dollars but i decided today that i'm not

00:40:58gonna have that car so i'm actually making 250 000 today guys i mean this is this is the level

00:41:07economic sophistication we're dealing with here folks and and so so the whole tariff thing is it's

00:41:14a big joke and you actually push country toward china i mean one of the big impetus to push particularly

00:41:22i mean the south south asia was already aligned with china anyway but you push korea and japan

00:41:30into china's arm you know now it's not just china and asia agreeing to a free trade uh trade zone it's

00:41:37china japan south korea and and and asia and for japan they they actually the first to say no to united

00:41:46states they said uh no we will not sign up on any anti-china trade block because our our relationship

00:41:54with beijing is too important this is japan you know a military occupied country that traditionally

00:42:00always been to the u.s demand you know if japan can say no to united states that means no country

00:42:07is going to go along with the trump plan and and and japan uh because for japan is exist the issue

00:42:15existential trump slapped the auto tariff uh 25 percent out of there on all foreign cards and

00:42:20foreign parts and that's going to kill all the japanese korean and german automakers in u.s

00:42:28you'll benefit elon musk because the under the under the provision you know if you are if you have 85

00:42:36of the parts made in u.s and you are exempt from that from that tariff and it just so happened

00:42:41tesla tesla tesla factories in u.s just fall under that 85 of parts made in u.s so so elon musk is is

00:42:52the biggest beneficiary of this auto tariff but but japan recognizes this is an existential issue so they

00:42:59rather align with china now you know on this issue then then you know uh except another uh you know

00:43:07basically plaza accord 2.0 getting imposed on them and and and in a way trump is a great peacemaker

00:43:16folks trump has managed to brought the east asia together he's a great peacemaker for east asia and

00:43:23and we're seeing that with europe too now eu and and china just announced that they're in the talks to

00:43:30get rid of all the uh uh mutual trade restrictions and and this is the eu that imposed a lot of

00:43:37sanctions on china you know uh you know first in the trump first term and then through through biden's

00:43:43term and now because all the tariff trump threatened them with they decided you know what we better work

00:43:48with china so so so so trump is is helping guys trust the plan trust the plan trump this is you know in

00:43:55the chinese internet there's a of a mean that trump is actually the the the the the nation builder right

00:44:03the nation being china that trump is actually a secret chinese agent working to further the chinese

00:44:10interest you know it started as a joke but if you actually look at how things unfold you know i i

00:44:16start to see logic of that trump trump is making china great again yes uh so

00:44:25absolutely absolutely and oh you know the the the pretext the us is using to to pressure southeast

00:44:34asia japan south korea um even the philippines specifically because that they have been really

00:44:41pulled into the u.s orbit and they kind of always have been is that they're helping protect this region

00:44:48from china which they portray as some kind of bully and this goes uh this goes for the the whole

00:44:57status of taiwan which is actually part of china even according to the u.s and its agreements with

00:45:01with china and under international law the u.s is always depicting this as we're here to defend taiwan

00:45:08but when you actually look at the policies these policies are devastating all of all of these countries uh

00:45:14taiwan is an island province devastating the local economy there uh japan and south korea

00:45:21uh this the semiconductor industry they have facilities inside china that are instrumental to

00:45:29their business and the u.s is trying to force them to sign agreements that would cancel all of this

00:45:34cooperation and force them to pivot toward the united states and just like we were talking about

00:45:38thailand and the high-speed rail that china is offering and the non-existent science fiction

00:45:45hyperloop that was the the u.s alternative this is what the u.s is offering everybody they don't have

00:45:51alternatives and it is the u.s which is actually threatening and undermining the the peace the

00:45:56prosperity and stability of all of these countries and we can already see what has happened in europe

00:46:03europe the european countries themselves ukraine specifically what happens

00:46:08when the u.s is able to exercise political control over these nations override their own sense of

00:46:13self-preservation their own best interests and push them into a conflict that makes absolutely no

00:46:19sense any other way this is what i'm worried about is going to happen here in asia yes japan and south

00:46:25korea they're they're speaking up to a certain extent there's special interests in both of these

00:46:29countries that are losing because of u.s coercion but that was the case in europe prior to 2014 that when

00:46:37the u.s really cracked down on europe they they they bent and they went along with it is that going to

00:46:44happen with with japan and south korea the island province of taiwan the philippines seem determined i

00:46:52i was just looking at this now this is so this is the island this is the island province of taiwan exports

00:47:01from the island province of taiwan to the rest of of china china and hong kong obviously you count them

00:47:07together as such a huge part of their export market and then even in terms of imports imports

00:47:17such a huge percentage is coming from the rest of china these are essential inputs for their

00:47:21semiconductor and electrical component industry what about uh this is the philippines

00:47:27again china hong kong if you put it together much larger than than the exports sent to the united

00:47:34states this is this these are export markets the u.s cannot offer alternatives for um thailand again

00:47:42same as kind of if you count china and hong kong together is is almost comparable but then when you look

00:47:47at imports and we say imports people act as if well you're importing all this stuff from china so you're

00:47:53you're losing out office these are things that are coming in and propping up small businesses that are

00:48:00making a living for people my my wife has her own business and she depends on importing goods and

00:48:06and components and all kinds of stuff from china without that without that abundance the over capacity

00:48:13that the us is complaining about she wouldn't be able to make a living doing that business

00:48:17and then local manufacturing too because they often need to import machine tools from china for their

00:48:25own local manufacturing so so to to start your uh this is what the you know the apple uh transition to

00:48:34india is about to find out because when they're trying to shift more production of iphone to india they

00:48:40realize they need to bring bring chinese machines chinese components to supply the new fox on uh

00:48:48factories in india so you still need the inputs from china and for uh philippines in case of philippines

00:48:57even the philippines you now now you can buy the the most affordable ev by byd uh the byd seagull which

00:49:07sells only for like nine thousand dollars to twelve thousand dollars in china um now you can get them

00:49:14in the philippines you know a little bit more expensive probably accounting for tariff and taxes

00:49:19whatever you can get in the philippines for sixteen thousand dollars which is still very reasonable very

00:49:24affordable but you will not be able to get united states folks you will never get the byd you will not

00:49:31get the bydc go in us but even in the philippines they can they can they can buy it now which made me

00:49:38jealous because i it's not even available in bali yet they're gonna only gonna bring in maybe they're

00:49:44maybe later this year or or early next year um so so so all these economies are very intricately tied

00:49:52with china you know even you know philippines under the the current administration that's trying to

00:49:58pivot toward united states because u.s is really not offering it's not really offering anything any

00:50:04any alternative to the chinese investment um speaking of taiwan you know united states is is uh

00:50:12you know wrecking the taiwan economy but what they're doing you know tsmc their largest customer was

00:50:19mainland china like 60 of their exports goes to mainland china to supply so they supply chips or make chips for

00:50:27for companies like huawei and u.s said no you can't do that anymore and u.s want tsmc instead to

00:50:35put a lot of investment to open up plants in arizona and now trump administration want them to form a

00:50:41joint adventure with intel because intel is in trouble because intel is in trouble with their new chip

00:50:46manufacturers so they want tsmc to share their trade secret with intel right you know us often when they

00:50:54talk about china they're also talking about yeah stealing it forced technological transfer guess what

00:51:01so they they apparently just thought okay this is what we need to do to save intel is to force tsmc to

00:51:08share their secret with intel uh so intel can come back and but tsmc is one of the you know main pillars

00:51:17of the taiwan economy and they are basically hollowing out taiwan at the same time taiwan just got hit with

00:51:26a 10 percent tariff um and and and and you know while there's still 90 days extension on the bigger

00:51:33tariff right now there's a flat 10 percent tariff on all uh export out of taiwan including their chips

00:51:41and and uh taiwan dollar is now forced to um gain value versus doubt so so they want to adopt the

00:51:50taiwan dollar to appreciate in value so so right now there's a sharp rise in the taiwan dollar so that

00:51:57all the taiwan businesses are getting hit with a double whammy you know first they're getting hit with

00:52:0110 percent air and now they're facing with the rising taiwan dollar versus uh u.s by the way this is

00:52:08exactly what happened to japan in the 1980s now japan was leading in semiconductor industry in the 1980s

00:52:15and then u.s decided they can't have that so they took to sanction the japanese semiconductor industry

00:52:22and they took a hammer to the japanese economy by forcing the the plaza accord on japan which forced

00:52:29japan to uh to revalue its currency to to to to revalue its currency so so but by in such a way uh to

00:52:37appreciate their currency so fast against the u.s dollar not only made the japanese manufacturing

00:52:45less competitive but he also because the japanese dollar is worth more now it encouraged financialization

00:52:54of the japanese economy so all the money rather than going to manufacturing and for export like what

00:52:59they used to do all the money went to stock market and real estate that blew up the japanese asset bubble

00:53:06that eventually blew up in the 1990s which japan is still recovering from and this is what china sees

00:53:14this is how china sees what u.s is trying to do uh right now via tariff which i think china chinese

00:53:20foreign ministry of all places i'll put a video um which call it out that's what u.s is trying to do

00:53:28is trying to pose a plaza court 2.0 on the rest of the world but particularly in china in order to slow down

00:53:35china's progress and you know that's so china would not stand for that oh i think the video is called

00:53:41never kneel never kneel down and it says china will never kneel down to these uh unilateral american

00:53:49demand for for for china to to uh to to to cripple china's progress and so yeah i mean china is very aware

00:53:59of the dynamic but you know places like taiwan they don't have much choice because they don't really

00:54:04have sovereignty they don't really have autonomy and stuff you know they they a lot of the people

00:54:10in the u.s they talk about taiwan independence taiwan independence independence from what right now

00:54:15taiwan is subservient to the u.s capital and to washington if anything they need independence from

00:54:21washington um you know they can't say no when u.s make their demands on their their or the crown jewel of

00:54:28the taiwan industry tmcmc and they can't say no when u.s want them to appreciate the taiwan dollar

00:54:35and so their their economy is is going to face huge problems that's this is why recently there's huge

00:54:42protests in on the island of taiwan against its current sitting government and you know hundreds

00:54:48of thousands of people attended you you will never see coverage in this in the western news media about

00:54:54this but of course most americans can't even tell the difference between taiwan and thailand anyway

00:55:01it's not like they care you know like the only reason anytime taiwan even appear on the headline is

00:55:07to post it all you know we got a stupid taiwan from china because china's so aggressive

00:55:13yeah yeah so i've had a lot of people ask me how things are going in taiwan i said i have to

00:55:17check the news i have no idea because i live in thailand what's what's what's in completely insane

00:55:24is that u.s policy papers and i i know carl you've seen people talk about this uh publicly they have

00:55:29made public u.s officials have made public comments about how in any conflict the u.s provokes with china

00:55:36over taiwan the semiconductor industry will be destroyed and if china doesn't destroy it themselves

00:55:41they will destroy it to deny china the these facilities and so what are they doing when they get a

00:55:48taiwan-based semiconductor facility transplanted to the u.s because they know they're going to ukraine

00:55:54taiwan they know they're going to do it they're going to erase the the whole surface of the island

00:55:59province and they're going to keep this the crown they're stealing the crown jewels before they burn

00:56:04everything to the ground so obvious what they're doing people people on taiwan are going along with

00:56:09it at least some people are going along with it which goes to show you the power of political

00:56:14control and coercion over a just a sense of self-preservation there will be no taiwan if the

00:56:20u.s gets its way just like there is is increasingly no ukraine now carl i've heard you talk about this

00:56:28i think it was our conversation with danny haifang excellent conversation and we're talking about the

00:56:33u.s building factories and how it takes years to build a factory and get it operational but it's not

00:56:38just about building factories china doesn't just have a bunch of factories they have factories

00:56:44they have supply chains they have networks manufacturers are all working together there's

00:56:48synergy between all that this is something else that we've always always brought up this is from

00:56:542017 and i i assure you that it hasn't improved in america's favor since then they're talking about

00:56:59science technology engineering mathematic graduates per country i'm going to show you a bigger picture of

00:57:04this that's china right there 4.7 million every year this is the united states the united states

00:57:11has a larger population than russia but they have a comparable number of stem graduates so it's

00:57:17it's not even about well they just have more people there's a higher rate of stem graduation in china

00:57:22per capita than in the united states and we always hear about china stealing all of our ideas there's

00:57:28no possible way for asian people to be as smart as us they're coming up with technology that's

00:57:34as good or better somehow they stole it from us even when it's better somehow they still make the

00:57:39argument that it was stolen from them kind of like president trump accusing russia of stealing

00:57:45hypersonic missile technology like did they physically steal the working hypersonic missiles and that's

00:57:51why the us doesn't have any work doesn't have it that's why us doesn't have it also us don't have

00:57:565g because china's stolen huawei's stolen um yes the you know i my so the way i came to united states is

00:58:05because my dad was the first generation post-cultural revolution students chinese students that came from

00:58:12china to study in the u.s he came uh in 1985 to study for phd in university of illinois so i remember when i

00:58:21when i came to u.s in the early 90s uh i i went to visit my dad in his university of illinois uh research

00:58:29lab uh and i'm looking around like it's all chinese it's all chinese grad students right and like people

00:58:38don't realize how dependent uh american scientific research is dependent on immigrant labor but

00:58:46particularly chinese uh chinese grad students and i um but but this this is not to say you know americans

00:58:55are are dumb or anything because you know united states has done well you know before you know even

00:59:03many many decades before but this is because uh i work in i.t so i know how how how this dynamic work

00:59:12all the smart people in the u.s they went to straight to the finance because that's where the money is

00:59:19you know you you are not financially rewarded by grinding in a lab you know that those those are

00:59:26for the underpaid chinese grad students you know that this is why this is why it's the immigrants the

00:59:32chinese the indians iranians you know the russians who are grinding away in the labs you know all the

00:59:39native-born americans they just go straight to work in the wall street because that's where the money is

00:59:44made because the way the whole incentive in the society is set up so not to encourage bright people

00:59:53to go into science going to stem and and for you know the for the immigrants they just don't have the

00:59:59choice you know that so they have to and and but this is a rather than fixing this problem you know

01:00:06improving education improving incentive you know to fix the american problem it's going to take a

01:00:13huge structural change you know they're going to have to you know half they're going to cut this wall

01:00:20street pay and shift it to pay engineers and and and scientists you know they're not that's not going

01:00:28to happen when when trump's uh uh you know right-hand man like treasury secretary uh scott besson he he

01:00:37worked for george sorrell right and then you have the commerce secretary lutnik he was a wall street

01:00:45guy these are the same guys that off source jobs from you like the offshore u.s manufacturing uh to east

01:00:54asia in the last four decades and now they're the same people that claim they're going to bring the jobs

01:01:00back and you come on oh you have to be pretty gullible to believe that uh you know it's never about

01:01:06bringing manufacturing back back home and you know it's just as you saw what what happened with apple

01:01:12apple they just say okay we'll just shift enough production to india how is that a win for united

01:01:17states how is that bringing job back to united states they just move it from china to india you know

01:01:24and and and then all the americans get made in india iphone that's it how is that a win um but this this

01:01:31is uh this is uh this is how how oh oh by the way in in terms of chip sanctions so the chip sanction on

01:01:37u.s chip sanction on u.s on chinese chip company was very broad so that you know any chinese u.s

01:01:45companies cannot buy chips from that's made in china which meant not not they're not just talking about

01:01:52u.s companies in the u.s for example gm and ford they have factories in china making cars you know up to

01:01:592023 gm was making more cars in china than they make in america under the biden chip sanctions

01:02:08gm and ford factories in china they're not allowed to buy chips made in china to be used in the cars

01:02:17that's manufactured in their chinese factory for chinese consumers i mean that's how broad this kind of

01:02:24chip sanction was it's it's it's not even impacting american consumers this is to screw the chinese

01:02:31consumers like you know what you can't get your uh you can't get chinese shipping your ford and gm cars

01:02:37anymore uh you know and and and and and this is and this is also you know okay this is also one of the

01:02:45reasons american businesses are getting squeezed out of china by these stupid uh american policies you know

01:02:52know there's a when trump is talking about one trillion dollar surplus trade surplus he's looking

01:02:59at it from like a 19th century uh mercantilist point of view like because back then it's very easy to look

01:03:06at the the trade figures you just look at import versus export but today because the company the

01:03:14economy is so intertwined apple this they make 60 billion dollars of revenue in china every

01:03:2270 billion dollars of revenue in china every year consistently but these iphones they're made in

01:03:28china they leave chinese factory going to the hands of chinese consumers they never go through custom

01:03:34so that figure never gets registered in the trade figures between us and china but apple is still

01:03:40getting line share of that profit and that profit goes back to the apple employees and their shareholders

01:03:46and and and and so so so really the problem in u.s it's a distribution problem it's because a lot of

01:03:52after a lot of the multinationals they were making money head over heels in china um but you know again

01:04:00that that money goes to the u.s one percent this does not benefit you know the average joe six-pack in

01:04:07united states so that was a real problem but really attacking it from that angle this they just tried to

01:04:13blame everything in china uh everything on china you know of course china never went over to u.s and

01:04:18point the gun to the to the wall street ex executives and say now move factories to china you know that

01:04:26that never happened uh but but here we are it it is what it is yes and it's interesting that it was this

01:04:33obsession with profit over everything else that drove u.s manufacturing over to china in the first place

01:04:41and now it's this obsession with profit and power first for whatever reason wall street and washington

01:04:47cannot accept the proportionate role among the other nations of the world they insist on imposing

01:04:52themselves on all the nations of the world and so the same mentality that created this problem in the

01:04:57first place is trying to guide america in a in a new direction to try to overcome the situation that

01:05:04has emerged where power is now becoming more equally distributed around the globe and it is centered on

01:05:10china and i constantly hear the united states talking about how we need to stop the rise of china

01:05:15when you really think about it at face value makes no sense at all china has a larger population

01:05:19industrial base we just looked at the stem graduates millions more every single year why shouldn't

01:05:24china be more powerful wealthier better developed than the united states all of the factors all the

01:05:30ingredients are there so what why is it a bad thing for china to to rise it would be like

01:05:36the british complaining about the united states overtaking them it's little tiny islands they had

01:05:42their time and now it's over and you need to accept reality and if you keep bashing your head against the

01:05:48the cement wall of reality you're just going to end up hurting yourself over time you're not you're

01:05:53not ever going to break your way through that wall but this is where the united states is right now

01:05:59as a country and this is what i worry about they they obviously are not going to outcompete china

01:06:05is impossible for them and i i acknowledge that americans are clever they're hard work there's

01:06:10plenty of hard-working smart americans the the problem that america has with this supremacist

01:06:16mentality so just so many more people in china we're also hard-working and just as capable and when

01:06:22you all other factors aside whoever has the largest amount of human resources and have invested more

01:06:28more in those resources they will always have the advantage china is demonstrably building a world order

01:06:35where it is not imposing hegemony on other nations the only super global superpower to rise without

01:06:40firing a single shot at anybody this all took place during the 21st century china's not gone to war

01:06:45anyone during the 21st century because people always talk about last century and they had that

01:06:51scuffle with vietnam which had nothing to do with china's china's rise this was unrelated and that again

01:06:58that was last century the people involved are all gone so demonstrably they're already proving that

01:07:04they are different they have a different vision for the world than the united states and the us's

01:07:10european predecessors did the previous empires that have ruled over the rest of the world

01:07:16so uh it's we're past one hour uh is there anything else you want to talk about carl we got just a

01:07:23a couple of questions that we we can do is there any um any last topics you want to bring up relevant

01:07:29to this topic well i think people wanted us to talk a little bit about yes that's right oh yeah so um i i

01:07:38i was i'm actually surprised that there was actually kinetic action because uh traditionally in the past you

01:07:45know indian uh government and media usually they talk a big game and then nothing ever happens so i i

01:07:53was actually surprised now they actually took it apparently they bombed uh pakistan held cashmere and

01:08:00there's some aerial engagement and fun there's a lot of report unverified reports coming up but looks

01:08:07like right now there were at least three indian jets were shut down the pakistan side claimed six or more but

01:08:15uh and now we have indian mid media acknowledging there were three jets down on the indian side of the

01:08:24border and i think from this a lot of the open source intelligence we can gather right now it looks like

01:08:32there are uh indian jets and possibly raphael um i i think this this is not unexpected because i think what

01:08:42what india wanted to do is they kind of wanted to do what the us does which you know us have over

01:08:49reliance on air power uh because you know kind of the belief that you know we have more powerful

01:08:55technologies this is kind of the same belief that led to vietnam afghanistan iraq etc but the what india

01:09:04tend to forget is that um they're not the only one with the air force and and they are facing a peer

01:09:12competitor as as as far as they don't want to recognize pakistan as a peer competitor because

01:09:19the pakistan air force is actually quite experienced they the pakistan traditionally they would send their

01:09:25pilots to you know flight like saudi arabia for uae for for all these golf countries and they had

01:09:32in the past iraq about quite many actual combat experience so so i'm actually not surprised they

01:09:41uh the the india uh suffered a couple losses over their jet also they are the the indian air force

01:09:50they have also have a procurement problem because you know the indian manufacturing base is not quite

01:09:56there yet so they kind of have to rely on foreign imports for their military needs and the way they

01:10:04have done their military procurement is they just buy what you know what's available which means buying

01:10:12from europe buying from russia and and what ended up happening is that when you buy different type of

01:10:21aircraft it's a whole you know you need different parts it's really hard to maintain to have an effective

01:10:29system when you're trying to integrate all these different parts moving parts uh into your air force

01:10:34and so i i'm sure like indian pilots are are are great and and experienced but they they are kind of

01:10:41they suffer all these kind of physical handicap uh versus the the the pakistan air force they used to have

01:10:48you know just you know just f-16s and and after that was held up by the us they they went to source

01:10:54their uh fighter jets from china they have like the fc-17s um and and and then the i think do they have

01:11:02j-10s now i'm not sure i think they do or they're in the talks of acquiring one so so i think uh you

01:11:09know in the pakistan side they're a little bit more streamlined in terms of uh uh uh the their their

01:11:16their hardware and they also have their their air force have a lot of experience but i think um

01:11:24i think this i don't think this is going to be a nuclear war i don't think there's something i think

01:11:28this is going to be a limited engagement um and i think also india side probably wanted to do like

01:11:36aerial campaign kind of shock and awe and now pakistan can also claim victory because they shut down

01:11:44couple couple jets so this is my take and back to you brian oh it's really hard to tell because

01:11:51pakistan and india these are this is a product of british imperialism and the the british really

01:11:57worked them over for for generations they've created deep-seated animosities within both of these

01:12:03countries and between both of these countries uh it's all artificial but over time if you if you're

01:12:09able to artificially maintain it long enough it becomes so deeply seated you can't talk i talk to

01:12:14people who are products of british imperialism people in myanmar there's there's groups in in

01:12:20malaysia you cannot talk to these people they're not in reality they have such deep hatred irrational

01:12:26hatred it blinds them again from from even their own self-preservation and you have to ask yourself who

01:12:32benefits from any of this who benefits from getting brits to end up at you know at war with itself or

01:12:39hurts member being dragged into a war even if it is by its own its own doing who benefits from this

01:12:46and look at the territory they are fighting over the china pakistan economic corridor connects pakistan

01:12:54to china through part of this uh pakistani held part of cashmere so who benefits from disrupting all

01:13:01that probably the nation that's been trying to disrupt cut off and up up end the china pakistan

01:13:08economic corridor for senses since it was proposed and that is the united states they back militants in

01:13:13baluchistan in the southwest and i am almost certain that they're behind this and there's terrorist groups

01:13:19operating in both countries who knows who's behind this there's different factions within the military

01:13:24and political systems of both pakistan and india uh some of them are realistic and committed to a a

01:13:33different approach a different possibility for the future with the multipolar world and others are

01:13:38politically captured tools of u.s hegemony and so this is what you end up with this completely

01:13:45irrational conflict that makes no sense that no one is going to benefit from except us hegemony

01:13:52we have to keep a very close eye on all of us i agree with you carl about uh you know modern warfare

01:13:58uh pakistani air force aside what about their air defenses yemen doesn't even have an air force look

01:14:04at look at what they have done to the united states uh their their drones their aircraft carrier they've

01:14:11they've lost two f-18 war planes now one slid off the the deck of a carrier because it was trying to

01:14:17evade yemeni either anti-shipping missile or drone or maybe both and now they had an accident which

01:14:24happens you're you're conducting combat operations everyone is more active than usual and you're

01:14:29going to suffer more incidents than than usual so without having any sort of air force at all yemen

01:14:34has inflicted these losses directly or indirectly so this is this is the reality does not pay to to be a

01:14:42warmonger this is again china has proven you can achieve superpower status tremendous superlative uh

01:14:52growth and achievements but that happened to be a warmonger and and stick your nose in everybody

01:14:57else's business instead of the us learning from this that they are dead set against it uh again to

01:15:04their own their own detriment um let's see we had so we had a semi-related question who who is the

01:15:11weakest link in bricks india or brazil i i just i i will answer this and then i want to hear your take on

01:15:17on this and and then what i say i i think yes india and brazil are both kind of weak links and

01:15:23the problem is a lot of countries who are expressing interest in multipolarism and bricks specifically

01:15:31again you have to realize it's not one government with the same idea like say here in thailand there

01:15:37is a genuine split there is a u.s backed faction and there is a faction that's committed to thailand's

01:15:42best interests and even among that faction there are people who are still you know they have this this

01:15:49romanticized view of the west they don't really quite grasp how dangerous it really is

01:15:54and so until you're able to protect your information space and uproot u.s interference

01:16:00within your political system your media space your education system you are always going to to be

01:16:06prone to be a weak link in any sort of multi-polar project this is india's problem this is brazil's

01:16:12problem people say why don't these countries just uproot u.s interference because there are

01:16:16consequences the u.s will ramp it up they will do drastic things they will literally blow people up

01:16:22blow things up if you defy them they will they will take it to the next level and nations are afraid of

01:16:29this and this is why they they allow it to fester the longer it festers the greater chance they have

01:16:35of upending everything ultimately like like we saw in bangladesh they were they were playing that game

01:16:40and ultimately they lost carl what do you think about that yeah i mean countries in the bricks like

01:16:47china and russia i think they much prefer india inside the bricks than have india completely aligned

01:16:54with united states i mean even if india is sometimes difficult to work with but it's still better to

01:17:01have them keep them close in the in the bricks forum than have them be a you know like a complete uh

01:17:10follower of the u.s and and so this is why bricks uh this is why bricks includes india and brazil uh you

01:17:18know this uh you know again bricks is not um you know it's not a mere image of the u.s imperial system uh

01:17:28you know bricks the whole idea of bricks and multi-polarity is you can have your differences

01:17:34and you can have your own sovereign you can preserve your own sovereignty without others telling you what

01:17:39to do um i think you know the russia and china would prefer to keep engaged with india through the

01:17:50bricks forum um and you know but again bricks is also not a military alliance like like nato is you

01:17:59know bricks started as an economic forum um so right now i mean it's it's it's a place to it's like you

01:18:09you always want to open have an open channel of communication and bricks is such a place um and i think uh

01:18:16uh people yeah but but but in conclusion i don't think the whole india pakistan conflict will blow

01:18:26up into a full-fledged like a nuclear exchange uh it's it's far from that i mean i think the

01:18:35india is doing things they wanted to show dominance they want to appeal they wouldn't

01:18:41indian government want to show its own population they're doing something about the terror attack

01:18:47you know there's a there's a mean internet meaning about about jd vance going to you know going to the

01:18:55pope and then pope dies he goes to india and then there's a terror attack um but i i mean but the timing

01:19:03is suspicious though i mean like it happens um at the at the time when us is trying to

01:19:11trying really hard to rule india to its side you know this is why um we saw well even even then i

01:19:22don't think uh india will you know ever be kind of the the palm in the u.s great game that invasion by

01:19:31washington because u.s india is its own ancient civilization they have uh their own conception

01:19:39as themselves as a great power rather than say like a vassal states and and india has its own

01:19:46priority it it acts certain way just it's because india thinks it can maximize the advantage by you know

01:19:55staying in the bricks while at the same time uh play footsie with washington for example but this is

01:20:02because you know this is a calculated move by india i i so i don't think uh the whole india pakistan

01:20:10conflict is gonna gonna blow up more than it did um it it it doesn't you know it's there's there's no

01:20:21reason to go to a full-scale war over this india just want to see show the world and but most

01:20:28importantly the the indian public that is doing something it's doing something about the terror

01:20:33attack and of course pakistan wants to show that it's uh it's able to defend its sovereignty i think

01:20:39after a couple bouts of this kinetic action uh both side will claim victory you know the india will

01:20:45claim that they have striped deep into pakistan and pakistan said oh look we shot down indian jets and

01:20:51the detention will continue likely but i don't think there will be a wider war that's just my

01:20:56my educated guess on this matter i i sincerely hope not although i'm not going to try to predict

01:21:03anything and we we were just talking about how can the us uh maintain domination over a planet that is

01:21:10clearly you know the playing field is level they don't have this this advantage in terms of technology

01:21:16or military or even economic power anymore and we were just saying the best way for them to maintain

01:21:21hegemony over the planet is by dividing and conquering what better way to do that than having

01:21:25two nations like india and pakistan uh go at it against each other so we have to be very very very

01:21:31careful about this uh one last thought on bricks and and weak links within it the further bricks goes

01:21:38and multi-polarism in general the further this goes the the deeper and and wider it develops the more

01:21:45space all of these nations will have to begin uprooting u.s coercion and interference and political

01:21:52control within their countries so it's something that countries need space to do thailand needs

01:21:58alternatives and partnerships and space to begin incrementally uprooting u.s interference is so deep

01:22:06in all of these countries people don't realize this here in thailand it's so deep it's in every single

01:22:11university every single media organization with just a few exceptions it's going to take time for

01:22:17people to build an awareness of this and to uproot it and like i said the u.s isn't just going to let

01:22:22you do it without consequence and so it will take time people have to be very patient you can't just

01:22:27say it's bricks versus u.s so uh india is the weak link because there's still u.s interference and

01:22:33and coercion and and obedience even within india itself it doesn't doesn't work like that we're

01:22:38talking about incredibly complex just a nation itself is so complex and then the worlds all

01:22:44all together is even more complex we have to we have to be patient and our job in the alternative

01:22:50media and for people who watch support and help share information from the alternative media this

01:22:55is our job is to raise that level of awareness and help speed this process along as it's a bit of a

01:23:01catalyst uh and i think i think that's it for the questions we're almost to an hour and a half i really

01:23:07want to thank you carl for taking time out of your day to talk to me this morning here in southeast

01:23:12asia this morning and everyone who is joining us from around the world i saw angelo in the in the

01:23:18comment section i saw danny haifang in the the comment section thank you so much for joining us

01:23:24uh and i hope to do this again and i hope to have uh conversations with you carl on on other channels

01:23:30too maybe uh back on danny haifang's channel so again thank you everybody and until next time bye for

01:23:39now bye bye

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