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Wednesday Night Live 7 May 2025

This episode addresses modern technology's inefficiencies, the philosophical foundations of relationships, and AI's impact on education. I share insights from my interview with Keith Knight about nurturing connections and discuss themes from my novel "The Future," which tackles child welfare in a speculative society. We critique the reliance on AI tools in education and the manipulation of narratives in politics, emphasizing the need for authentic storytelling. Personal reflections on entrepreneurship highlight the importance of delivering real value to customers, while I engage with listeners on these pressing issues in contemporary life.

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Transcript
00:00:00Good evening, everybody. Welcome to Wednesday Night Live, 7th of May, 2024.
00:00:06A tech rant. Why is it that Outlook just can't close?
00:00:13Do you have that shortcut? You know, you do your function windows,
00:00:17and the shortcut is force kill, like force kill Outlook.
00:00:22Why? Can it not close? Is it just impossible?
00:00:24Does it need a priest, an exorcism? Why does Outlook not just close?
00:00:28It's a mystery. You shouldn't have to go into Task Manager to close down your email app.
00:00:35Sad but true. All right. Ready for questions, comments,
00:00:41issues, whatever is on your mind. Your Outlook randomly closes.
00:00:53Remember, when you're around your cell phone, it's important to think of random things,
00:00:56so they don't know what ads to serve you. Super essential and important.
00:01:02For donors, just a note in case you didn't see it posted. I did a two-day interview
00:01:09with Keith Knight, who interviewed me before about philosophy and UPB, and we did real-time
00:01:16relationships. The first one is out for donors and subscribers. So, if you want to check that out,
00:01:22fdrurl.com slash rumble, and also subscribestor.com slash rumble. A really good conversation about,
00:01:33it's funny because in terms of kind of order of importance in practical terms, real-time
00:01:41relationships is one of the most important because it's sort of practical guide for relationships in
00:01:46your life. And UPB for ethics, of course, peaceful parenting for dealing with your own childhood.
00:01:57So, you should, if you haven't checked out Real-Time Relationships, The Logic of Love,
00:02:02I listened to it again. It's a nice nine-hour audiobook. So, I listened to it again, and that's
00:02:10pretty good. It's, you know, 15 years later, I might do a couple of edits, probably would,
00:02:16but it's a good book to understand how philosophy applies to relationships. And isn't that kind of
00:02:23sad, that that's not what philosophy has really been talking about, what philosophers have really
00:02:28been talking about much in terms of relationships? So, as James is pointing out, part two, part two,
00:02:34part two, part two, is coming for donors tomorrow. So, I hope you will check it out. It's a three-hour
00:02:40conversation about the philosophy of love and connection and relationships and sustainability
00:02:45and so on. So, I hope that you will check it out.
00:02:54All right. Hello, Free Domain, listening to your novel, The Future. Well, I hope you're starting it
00:03:02tomorrow. Back up to David talking about the children who were missed. I'm feeling the heartache
00:03:08of the pain, the moral dilemma of privacy, hands-off approach, and then being responsible
00:03:14or feeling responsible when agency is abused to harm others. Maybe the closest we get to knowing how God
00:03:20feels to some degree about humanity as a whole, since we are his spirit children, really thought-provoking
00:03:25and heart-wrenching stuff. Thank you. Yeah. So, it's not much of a spoiler. My novel,
00:03:33The Future, is set 500 years from now after the Cataclysms, which I talk about the beginning of in
00:03:39my novel, The Present, which you should, again, these are great, great books, freedomain.com slash
00:03:43books. You know, even if you don't read novels as a whole, I mean, it's really great stuff. You know,
00:03:49it's deep, the characters are strong, and the story's lines are great. So, it's about a future
00:03:54society, and how does it deal with child abuse is one of the central elements of a couple of chapters
00:04:05in the book, in particular one chapter. And it is, of course, complete wish fulfillment for me,
00:04:11which is, wouldn't it have been nice if my brother and I had been treated this way with regards to my
00:04:15mother? But, we weren't, and because of that, we get a book like The Future. So, you should check it
00:04:23out. I mean, it's a vivid way to, utopia is very rarely shown in science fiction. I was interested
00:04:30in, Thomas More wrote a book called Utopia, of course, you know, 500 years ago or whatever,
00:04:35and I used to read, I read that. There was a little bit of some idealism in Zen and the Art of
00:04:41Motorcycle Maintenance, which I read, but none of this in particular leaves any kind of impression
00:04:45on me. But utopia, in a practical sense, in a moral sense, I mean, you could argue Star Trek is kind of
00:04:55utopia, and so on, but it's way too collectivist for me. So, can a novelist, a creative person,
00:05:09and a philosopher like myself, can we write a novel accurately and emotionally and morally
00:05:19portraying an ideal society without a violation of human nature, right? Because, I mean, a lot of
00:05:27people write stories about a perfect world with the unfortunate aspect that it requires a complete
00:05:34total violation of human nature. If only people weren't tribal, if only people weren't motivated
00:05:44by profits, if only people blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Well, what if, what if human beings don't
00:05:54need to be changed, but the system needs to align with virtue and human nature? Well, that, of course, is the
00:05:59basic premise of my novel, The Future, and I hope that you will check it out. It's free, and it's free
00:06:07in large part due to the lovely donors. So, yeah, it is a very powerful book for me. It's very powerful
00:06:15to write, to write the world that I so desperately want to live in and raise my daughter in. It is a
00:06:25consummation devoutly to be wished. It is, it is agony to, to be this conceptually close to a perfect
00:06:34world. And knowing that it's going to be hundreds of years until it has a chance is tough. And knowing
00:06:42that the barriers to the perfect world is not human nature, it is not coercion, it is simply, I mean,
00:06:51the barrier to the perfect world is simply people's belief in things that are false. That's all.
00:07:03People, if people stopped believing in things that are false, we could have a beautiful world
00:07:09this time next year. So, we must be patient. Errors take a long time to exit.
00:07:21Stage left these days. All right.
00:07:29Serpanta says, I found reading or listening to the present and the future, these two novels,
00:07:35I got a lot of ideas and perspectives in philosophy, click more than any podcast or non-fiction book
00:07:42has. Seeing the ideas and characters really makes a difference. Yeah, I mean,
00:07:47in many ways, the future belongs to the best storytellers. Not, sadly, not, not, sadly, not the most rational,
00:07:55but
00:07:56to the best storytellers. And unfortunately, the left are very good at telling stories.
00:08:05It's propaganda, I get all of that, but they're very good at telling stories.
00:08:07And it's funny, you know, because I will regularly see on social media people complaining that,
00:08:17like, where's the art coming from the right? And again, I wouldn't specifically say that I'm on the
00:08:21right, but where's the art coming from, say, the anti-leftists? So, leftists have dominant power at
00:08:26the moment, so that's who needs to be opposed. And nobody ever mentions my novels. Nobody ever
00:08:36mentions my novels, and I get it. I love writing novels and working on another one at the moment.
00:08:43Oh, man, I wrote some of the best dialogue I've ever written two days ago. Like, honestly, just
00:08:48crackerjack dialogue about a breakup of a romantic relationship based upon betrayal. It's like,
00:08:55ah, you know, how people avoid the topic, and then it just drops like an MOAB in the conversation.
00:09:02It had me on the edge of my seat, and I was writing it. That's how vivid and real it feels
00:09:09to me. I feel like I'm transcribing, and I can see every freckle on the character's faces.
00:09:15So good. Maybe we'll do some of it later. All right.
00:09:22Especially peaceful parenting. Yeah.
00:09:25Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:09:32Did you know Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire?
00:09:37I was trying to explain this. This is from Milo, Milo Yiannopoulos, at Nero. It's a bitterly
00:09:44funny, of course, account to follow. And I have a lot of respect for the man, if that means anything.
00:09:52So he pointed out, okay, let me ask you, can you puzzle this one out?
00:10:01What was the biggest year for ringtone sales? And how much were they? Like, what was the total
00:10:15aggregate of the market? What was the biggest year, ringtone sales? So you used to buy different
00:10:21ringtones than the ones that came automatically with your phone? So what was the biggest year
00:10:27for ringtone sales? And how much was it? Like, I got to tell you, I've never bought a ringtone
00:10:36in my life. I don't think so. I think maybe I bought one or two different backgrounds for like
00:10:41$1.50 when I was fighting around on a phone once, but I never bought a ringtone. Although
00:10:47I've often wanted to replace my, when I call my wife, to have it be, honey, honey, honey,
00:10:53honey, honey, honey, until her eyes just explode.
00:11:01That it would. Of course, she wouldn't think that I'm calling her or she'd just think I'm in the next
00:11:07room and need something. Honey, honey.
00:11:13Just play that over and over and no court would convict you of strangulation. So people are guessing
00:11:182006 a million dollars. 2012, a hundred million dollars. 2003, no, not correct. The biggest year
00:11:28for ringtone sales was 2007, and it was American 1.2 billion dollars.
00:11:391.2 billion dollars. Baby, you just ain't seen nothing yet. Here's something you're never gonna
00:11:51forget. That was a joke song actually put out by Pac-Man Turner Overdrive that they just found
00:11:56later and released. Became their biggest thing. Their biggest thing. Crazy.
00:12:02So do you have
00:12:12kids or are you yourself in university or do you have any sort of portal nether region window to what's
00:12:22going on in academia at the moment?
00:12:24Because, wow, if you do, if you do, it's pretty wild.
00:12:37Steve McGuire on X wrote this.
00:12:43For higher education, AI's takeover is a full-blown existential crisis. College is just how well I can
00:12:52use chat GPT at this point. I think we are years, or months probably, away from a world where nobody
00:12:59thinks using AI for homework is considered cheating. It isn't as if cheating is new. But now, as one
00:13:06student put it, the ceiling has been blown off. Who could resist a tool that makes every assignment
00:13:11easier with seemingly no consequences? Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from
00:13:18university with degrees and into the workforce who are essentially illiterate. The humanities and
00:13:23writing in particular are quickly becoming an anachronistic art elective like basket weaving.
00:13:28Many teachers now seem to be in a state of despair. Every time I talk to a college student about this,
00:13:34the same thing comes up. Oh, sorry. Every time I talk to a colleague, I guess the professors about
00:13:39this, the same thing comes up. Retirement. When can I retire? When can I get out of this? This is what
00:13:45we're all thinking now. And the intelligencer wrote, this is from James D. Walsh, everyone
00:13:52is cheating their way through college. Chat GPT has unraveled the entire academic project.
00:13:59And it's funny because on my word processor, when I'm writing, a little bubble thing pops up,
00:14:05and I can help you with that. And it's like, get thee behind me, Satan.
00:14:08Satan.
00:14:15Would you like, would you like a rant? And would the rant be on a 1 to 10, on a 1 to 10 scale?
00:14:28I don't know. You know, as my voice is repaired, my ear is repairing, I just, I don't know whether
00:14:36it would be too startling for you all to have a vivid and passionate rant.
00:14:43This might be a tear the hat off the head rant. All right. 10, 10, 10, 5, 11, 1.5. That's very specific.
00:14:53Right. Oh. Oh, the poor professors. Yeah. Oh. Oh, dear. Are you going to actually have to try
00:15:03and figure out whether your students can think or not? Are you, are you actually going to have to
00:15:09get back to maybe oral cross-examination of your students? Are you going to somehow die from not
00:15:18picking up your $250,000 a year paychecks by sloughing off all of the badly written ballpoint pen
00:15:25essays on your teacher's assistants while you prepare yourself for yet another fucking sabbatical
00:15:29or a conference in Hawaii to study whether nouns actually exist in Kantian reality?
00:15:36Are you actually going to have to teach in a way that motivates students to learn how to think?
00:15:41Or is everyone just going through the same stupid bullshit jump through hoops? You give me obedience,
00:15:47I give you the degree. Absolute total nonsense. Are the professors actually going to have to motivate
00:15:55their students to do something other than go through the ritual of praying before the electronic
00:15:59gods of AI in order to cough up a vaguely coherent essay that is based upon the pre-assembled thoughts
00:16:06of everyone in the known universe? Because that's all university has been for as long as I was there.
00:16:11It was almost all complete bullshit. Swallow, regurgitate, no. Swallow, regurgitate, rearrange, pass.
00:16:19That's all it was. That's all it was. You would do a mind map of what the professor believed.
00:16:31You would absorb it. You would regurgitate it with some rearranging. What is wrong with oral exams exactly?
00:16:38Oh, but you see, oral exams, they're a little tough, my friends. They're a little tough.
00:16:48And you might embarrass people. And people might get mad at you. Like, oral exams, that's a lot of work.
00:16:55See, the way the university works is you stuff, gosh, what was it in the University of Toronto?
00:17:00Oh, how did it run? The University of Toronto, back in the day, had like, I don't know, what,
00:17:061,000, 1,500 people in the intro to psych courses. So the professors, they would spill over rooms.
00:17:11There'd just be a bunch of people looking at TVs and making notes. And the professor, you know,
00:17:17wouldn't do much other than lecture. And then the TAs would handle everything, the teacher's assistant.
00:17:22And, you know, they get, what, four months off in the summer. They work a cozy 10 to 15 hours a week.
00:17:27And every fifth year is a sabbatical where they get paid to write books that nobody fucking reads.
00:17:33It is a livestock grinding ink paper substitute for IQ because they're illegal.
00:17:40Bunch of bullshit. University as a whole. As a whole.
00:17:45I did two years of an English degree at Glendon Campus of York University.
00:17:51I did almost two years at theater school, writing, acting, playwriting. I did two years
00:17:58finishing my undergraduate in history at York, sorry, at McGill University. And then I did a year
00:18:05and change of a graduate degree, getting my master's in the history of philosophy at the
00:18:12University of Toronto.
00:18:12I'm sure a lot of y'all went to school, to university. Do you remember a single thing
00:18:22that you were taught? I took, what was it, I think it was Charles Taylor, took an entire
00:18:26year course on political science. Now, I'm actually quite interested in political science,
00:18:30written entire books on it that have done quite well, you know. At one point, my books were
00:18:34being downloaded at the rate of 100,000 a month. 5,000 in Canada is a bestseller in the
00:18:40whole lifespan of the book. So, what is that, a 20x bestseller per month? So, well, that was
00:18:50more than one book. And I remember absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing from any of it.
00:18:59I did an entire course, a full year course, on the history of Rome and the Roman Empire.
00:19:05I remember nothing, nothing from it, at all. I do remember a little bit from the rise of
00:19:16Protestantism, of course. I remember a little bit about that. I did a lot of work on that,
00:19:21on medieval populations with charts and graphs. I took the bullet. Oh, what else I took?
00:19:27God, it's even hard to remember now. Oh, yeah, the rise of capitalism and the socialist response
00:19:37battled like crazy. The professor, who was, for me, a standard Marxist, built like a bearded fridge,
00:19:46non-entity of resentment.
00:19:47So, if somebody says, I went to a top engineering school, did a lot for me, sure. Yeah, I get it.
00:19:57I did this very practical skills. I'm talking about the arts, history, English. I did a lot of,
00:20:04did a lot of theater, acted in a lot of plays. Snap my finger, get a lead. It was pretty easy, right?
00:20:10So, the problem is that ChatGPT is disrupting the money printing conveyor belt of non-education
00:20:23that passes for higher education in these diploma mills, bullshit facilities. Like, people might
00:20:32actually have to be enthusiastic about learning. People might actually have to be enthusiastic and
00:20:37compelling in their teaching, and people might actually have to engage in debate rather than just
00:20:44type, print, and get graded. So, I love, I love, love, love, love what AI is doing to universities.
00:20:57Love it. If you can't beat AI, you shouldn't be in university. It used to be that only 10%
00:21:07of people went to university because it was kind of the elite, right? Now, it's widened and expanded
00:21:11and all of that kind of stuff because nobody talks about IQ. So, yeah.
00:21:19And now, of course, in some universities, you have to have introduction to basic math.
00:21:24That's got to be part of it, right? Oh, my God. I mean, everybody knows, of course, that
00:21:29schools are teaching almost nothing these days except guilt.
00:21:39And
00:21:40it's very sad. It's very, very sad. All right, let me just get to you. I haven't even checked
00:21:48whether there are any donations. Ah, total life tips. Zero. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
00:21:57Freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show. I would really appreciate that. And we
00:22:02could say, really, a little bit more than appreciate it. It's fairly important for the
00:22:06show as a whole. Thank you, Tony. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
00:22:12So, yeah. The fake teaching, like the fake thinking has now caught up with the fake teaching
00:22:19to the point where they're canceling each other out. And, yeah, universities need to be
00:22:24reclaimed from the propagandizing idiots who largely inhabit, not exclusively, but largely
00:22:29inhabit its corridors.
00:22:30Well, I guess university hopefully will go through the same process that people who knew
00:22:47how to use a sextant and a slide rule have gone through. Oh, my gosh.
00:22:53Somebody says, this is from Zito on X. The kids are cooked.
00:23:10Chungun Roy Lee stepped onto Columbia University's campus this past fall and by his own admission
00:23:15proceeded to use generative artificial intelligence to cheat on nearly every assignment. As a computer
00:23:20science major, he depended on AI for his introductory programming classes. I'd just dump the prompt
00:23:26in the chat GPT and hand in whatever it spat out. By his rough math, AI wrote 80% of every essay
00:23:32he'd turned in. At the end, I'd put on the finishing touches. I'd just insert 20% of my humanity,
00:23:38my voice, into it. Lee was born in South Korea. Ah, yes. Those South Koreans. Totally typical of
00:23:50people who cheat in schools. I remember many years ago, there was a, you know, stay in school,
00:23:58kids. And it was a young Asian girl who was like dropping out. It's like, ah, yes,
00:24:05the Asian girls just forming their own gangs and dropping out of school all the time.
00:24:09Anyway, it's just natural, right? Lee was born in South Korea and grew up, grew up outside
00:24:15Atlanta. Should be Atlantis, but we'll go with Atlanta, where his parents ran a college prep
00:24:20consulting business. He said he was admitted to Harvard early in his senior year of high school,
00:24:25but the university rescinded its offer after he was suspended for sneaking out during an overnight
00:24:29field trip before graduation. Wow. A year later, he applied to 26 schools. He didn't get into any of
00:24:35them, so he spent the next year at community college before transferring to Columbia. His
00:24:40personal essay, which turned his winding road to higher education into a parable for his ambition
00:24:43to build companies, was written with help from ChatGPT. When he started at Columbia as a sophomore
00:24:50this past September, he didn't worry much about academics or his GPA. Most assignments in college
00:24:56are not relevant, he told me. They're hackable by AI, and they just had no interest in doing them.
00:25:01While other new students fretted over the university's rigorous core curriculum,
00:25:04described by the school as intellectually expansive and personally transformative.
00:25:10I bet you they used AI to come up with that marketing bullshit, too. Lee used AI to breeze
00:25:14through with minimal effort. When I asked him why he had gone through so much trouble to get into an
00:25:19Ivy League university only to offload all the learning to a robot, he said, well, it's the best, mate.
00:25:23It's the best place to meet your co-founder and your wife.
00:25:26In January 2023, just two months after OpenAI launched ChatGPT, a survey of a thousand college
00:25:37students found that nearly 90% of them had used the chatbot to help with homework assignments. I
00:25:42suppose the other 10%, which is lying. In its first year of existence, ChatGPT's total monthly visit
00:25:48steadily increased month over month until June, when schools let out for the summer. Yeah,
00:25:53traffic dipped again over the summer in 2024.
00:25:57Professors and teaching assistants increasingly found themselves staring at essays filled with
00:26:01clunky robotic phrasing that, though grammatically flawless, didn't sound quite like a college
00:26:06student or even a human. Two and a half years later, students at large state schools like the
00:26:12Ivy's liberal arts schools in New England, universities abroad, professional schools,
00:26:16community colleges are relying on AI to ease their way through every facet of their education.
00:26:22Generative AI chatbots, ChatGPT, but also Google's Gemini, Anthropics, Claude, Microsoft
00:26:28Co-Pilot, and others take their notes during class, devise their study guides and practice
00:26:32tests, summarize novels and textbooks, and brainstorm, outline, and draft their essays.
00:26:37STEM students are using AI to automate their research and data analysis and to sail through
00:26:42dense coding and debugging assignments.
00:26:46College is just how well I can use ChatGPT at this point. A student in Utah recently captioned a
00:26:51video of herself copy and pasting a chapter from Genocide and Mass Atrocity textbook into ChatGPT.
00:26:58That's Wendy, right? Let me just double check this.
00:27:02Once the chatbot had outlined Wendy's essay provided her with a list of topic sentences
00:27:06and bullet points of ideas, all she had to do was fill it in.
00:27:10Wendy delivered a tidy five-page paper at an acceptably tardy 10.17 a.m.
00:27:15When I asked her how she did on the assignment, she said, she got a good grade.
00:27:20I really like writing, she said, sounding strangely nostalgic for her high school English class the
00:27:25last time she wrote an essay unassisted.
00:27:27Honestly, she continued, I think there is beauty in trying to plan your essay.
00:27:31You learn a lot. You have to think, oh, what kind of writing this paragraph? Or, what should
00:27:34my thesis be? But she'd rather get good grades.
00:27:38An essay with ChatGPT, it's like it just gives you straight up what you have to follow.
00:27:42You just don't really have to think that much.
00:27:49See, why do people like thinking?
00:27:51Thinking just gets you punished.
00:27:54Right? It just gets you punished.
00:27:56That's all.
00:27:59Well, yes, I'm going to teach this brainiac, apple polisher.
00:28:04How much did you get admired for thinking when you were younger?
00:28:09How much did you get admired for thinking when you were younger?
00:28:16Oh, my gosh.
00:28:18Great.
00:28:19No, I mean, the quicker that universities can implode into irrelevance, the greater the chance
00:28:26we have of at least postponing civilizational seppuku.
00:28:30Somebody says, my younger brother, 19, was going to art school for jazz performance.
00:28:40He said he was surrounded by people who seemed to skate through life.
00:28:43He ended up joining the military instead.
00:28:46Well, you're still skating.
00:28:48You're just getting pushed.
00:28:48Joe says, I'm tipping next week.
00:28:50Freedomay.com slash donate to help out the show.
00:28:52At least in the U.S., we need to get government out of the loan business and allow student
00:28:59loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy.
00:29:01The free market will take care of the rest.
00:29:03It's not going to happen.
00:29:05No, it's not going to happen.
00:29:06The leftists need the universities because if you can get people to pay for their own
00:29:10propaganda, that's fantastic.
00:29:12It's not going to happen.
00:29:13Also, imagine what it would be like to be the last guy who still had to pay for his loans
00:29:17and the next guy doesn't, or the next guy gets to refuse them because he doesn't have
00:29:20to pay them back, right?
00:29:22So if you don't have to pay them, I mean, it's not going to happen, right?
00:29:29Denise, so nice to see you, my lady.
00:29:31She says, I just graduated my PhD in biochemistry this past Friday.
00:29:35Congratulations.
00:29:36I think that's wonderful.
00:29:40Biochemistry, if I remember rightly.
00:29:42I've always thought I'd be a researcher having my own lab, but I recently decided that being
00:29:45in industry is a better choice than academia because of how bad everything is currently.
00:29:50Pray for me.
00:29:50It's a huge shift in my life and I'm pretty scared.
00:29:53Yeah, well, science in government and academia has just turned into conformist, superstition,
00:30:00non-reproducible stuff.
00:30:03So it's just terrible.
00:30:06Somebody says, my customers are now using chat GPT to generate images for interior decorating
00:30:14purposes, visualizing how various options work with their space.
00:30:17It works surprisingly well, quite handy.
00:30:19Oh yeah, like if you go to chat GPT and you upload the image of a room and you say, what
00:30:26would go best in here?
00:30:28It's pretty good, right?
00:30:29You're the best, Steph.
00:30:31It's actually S-T-E-F-A-N, but I appreciate that.
00:30:35All right, hit me with a Y if you're on a weight loss journey.
00:30:37Are you on any kind of weight loss journey?
00:30:52I want to know.
00:30:54I, I, I want to know.
00:30:57It's hard to imagine I wouldn't have used chat GPT in college, honestly.
00:31:00Well, that's interesting.
00:31:07Most of you, most of you on some kind of weight loss journey, always.
00:31:10Oh yeah.
00:31:11Yeah.
00:31:12So I actually just, I haven't weighed myself in a while.
00:31:16I weighed myself today.
00:31:20I don't weigh myself at home.
00:31:21I don't really trust scales at home, but in a supermarket not too far from where I am is
00:31:25an actual physical scale, which I trust for whatever reason.
00:31:29If it's digital, I just assume it's mostly nonsense, but I did weigh myself.
00:31:36Now at my maximum, I was 225 pounds or so.
00:31:42And what did I just weigh in at?
00:31:50What do you think?
00:31:51225 at my max.
00:31:54There's a picture of me kind of bloated at some meetup.
00:31:59Ha ha ha.
00:32:02Yes.
00:32:03Well, I'm not kind of bloated, just chunky, just overweight, just overweight.
00:32:12You got it, Alan.
00:32:13180.
00:32:14Yeah.
00:32:14So I'm down 45 pounds from my max.
00:32:17Now, I mean, it's not the most honorable weight loss.
00:32:19I've just been concerned about my ear and my hearing, and I've been concerned about tinnitus
00:32:24and blah, blah, blah.
00:32:26So, I mean, I just don't particularly eat when I'm concerned or waiting for things to
00:32:31settle, because it's a three-month healing process.
00:32:34I think I'm like seven weeks in.
00:32:35So my voice is certainly better.
00:32:37Like, I can speak better without it hurting in my ear, but it is still, the tinnitus is
00:32:44there, for sure.
00:32:45For sure.
00:32:46But, yeah, the doc says it'll settle down quite a bit, too.
00:32:50So, yeah.
00:32:52So, yeah, people are 37 pounds down.
00:32:54You're jogging right now as I listen to Free Domain.
00:32:57Oh, good.
00:32:58Good.
00:32:59No, frankly, I should gain some weight.
00:33:02I'm the other type.
00:33:03Effort to gain and maintain weight.
00:33:04Yeah, yeah.
00:33:05It's not easy.
00:33:06It's not easy.
00:33:071.5 milligrams of Caggrillentide?
00:33:12What is that?
00:33:15Caggrillentide.
00:33:16I don't know what that is.
00:33:17Congrats, Steph.
00:33:18Yeah, I appreciate it.
00:33:19I appreciate it.
00:33:20I feel, because I became an older parent, I feel it's fairly important to stay pretty
00:33:27healthy, if that makes sense.
00:33:29I don't want to be a burden to my daughter when she's having kids and married, and I
00:33:42don't want to be any kind of burden for that.
00:33:44So, I work hard to stay pretty healthy.
00:33:47And then I get a virus in my inner ear.
00:33:48Wow.
00:33:49Just some bad luck.
00:33:50Just some bad luck.
00:33:55Down 160 pounds over the past 13 years.
00:33:58Holy crap.
00:33:59Well, good for you, man.
00:34:01Good for you.
00:34:02Peptides.
00:34:03I don't know.
00:34:04I mean, what do I do?
00:34:05I do a little creatine.
00:34:08And CoQ2 enzymes, are they?
00:34:14A little bit of lutein for the eyes.
00:34:18So, I don't...
00:34:19Yeah, and a little creatine.
00:34:22That's about it.
00:34:22But yeah, just have an ailment that's alarming, and you'll lose weight.
00:34:30That's how it goes.
00:34:32That's how it goes.
00:34:36All right.
00:34:37Let me get to other questions, comments, donations, of course.
00:34:40Very, very welcome.
00:34:41Is this true?
00:34:43I don't know.
00:34:45I'm going to just...
00:34:45Maybe I'll grok this.
00:34:50Maybe I'll grok this.
00:34:55But there was a note that 80% of eligible men are not dating.
00:35:05Is that true?
00:35:11Let me just see here.
00:35:1780%.
00:35:1780% of eligible men...
00:35:20This is from Gender Studies for Men.
00:35:22John Davis, JDLLM.
00:35:26Large language model.
00:35:2880% of eligible men are no longer dating.
00:35:3080-20 rule.
00:35:39Pew Research Studies shows only 30% of U.S. men aged 18 to 29 are single and not dating.
00:35:45Okay.
00:35:45So, yeah, it does seem a bit...
00:35:47It does seem a bit high.
00:35:49It does seem a bit high.
00:35:53It's true for you at the moment, yeah.
00:35:57James says, my all-time max weight was around 315.
00:36:01Well over 15 years ago, down about 90 from that point,
00:36:03with a recent drop of 30 to 35 pounds in the last two years.
00:36:06Yes, we have seen that.
00:36:08James is turning into...
00:36:10We're painting the roses red.
00:36:12A playing card.
00:36:12Two-dimensional.
00:36:14Two-dimensional.
00:36:16That's pretty wild, man.
00:36:21I don't think it's 80%.
00:36:22I think that's the 80-20 thing.
00:36:27I think, what was it, Rolo Tomasi said,
00:36:29women are actually only dating the top 4.5%,
00:36:31which sounds like one of these things that is so specific.
00:36:34It can't really be the case.
00:36:39But I, you know, I don't envy the guys out there at the moment, man.
00:36:43I don't envy the guys out there at the moment.
00:36:45All right.
00:36:50Let me get to your questions and comments.
00:36:53Appreciate your thoughts.
00:36:55What do we got?
00:36:58Steph, when you started your software company,
00:36:59how long did it take to sell your first software?
00:37:01How long, approximately, do you think it should take to sell a startup product?
00:37:05So, I built the software, I think it took four to six weeks.
00:37:11This was in Access, Microsoft Access 1.1.
00:37:15Not even two.
00:37:1716-bit.
00:37:18And, but we had a commission to build some software,
00:37:27which we sold, and then we gave a good price on the sale,
00:37:31on the assumption that we could adapt it and resell it to others.
00:37:35So, how long should it take to sell a startup product?
00:37:44So, this is the way that I think you should work if you have a startup product.
00:37:50Well, actually, let me just make sure.
00:37:52Is this of interest to people?
00:37:53If you, hit me with a why, if this topic, sort of the entrepreneur stuff,
00:37:57and is it of interest to you?
00:38:00Is it of value to you?
00:38:01If I talk about, because it's not specific to software,
00:38:04this is just how to get a business off the ground to begin with,
00:38:07because I've done, like, three, and they've all been successful.
00:38:12This doesn't mean that, you know, some of it's luck, and so on, right?
00:38:16But, I'm batting 1,000 on three companies.
00:38:22Okay.
00:38:22Good, good.
00:38:23All right.
00:38:25So, we'll just talk about software at the moment, right?
00:38:29Oh, eggy, von eggyness.
00:38:31This way, I never have to remember to put the logo in.
00:38:34Because the logo's on the hat.
00:38:35There we go.
00:38:37Okay.
00:38:39So, you want to find someone in the industry who's willing to work with you
00:38:44and get a free copy of the software, right?
00:38:47So, my software was in environmental.
00:38:50They're called EMIS, Environmental Management Information Systems.
00:38:54So, through my partner, we'll just call him Bob, right?
00:38:57So, through Bob, Bob had contacts in the industry.
00:39:00So, and Bob also was in the industry.
00:39:02So, Bob gave me some specifications, and we worked with the company
00:39:05to make sure that it worked for them.
00:39:09And because it works for someone in the industry,
00:39:15it's probably going to work for others,
00:39:16or at least a fair proportion of it is going to work for others.
00:39:19So, don't just, you know, build it and they will come is in a movie
00:39:24that's classified as fiction, because it is.
00:39:26Don't just build it, and then they'll come.
00:39:29Don't do that.
00:39:30Don't do that.
00:39:32You have to work with someone in the industry to make sure that it matches
00:39:35needs somehow.
00:39:37And whatever you have to do to find someone in the industry
00:39:40who's willing to work with you, you know,
00:39:41and it could be just about anything.
00:39:44So, the way that I worked with a company that will remain unnamed
00:39:47is they gave me a binder of the kind of reports they had to produce.
00:39:53And I reverse-engineered from that binder to have software
00:39:57that could produce those reports.
00:40:00All right, so what kind of data do I need to gather?
00:40:02How is it best gathered?
00:40:03How do I need to collate it?
00:40:04How do I need to summarize it?
00:40:05And so on.
00:40:07And I remember wrestling like crazy to produce these reports
00:40:13to the point where I had to create tables on the fly,
00:40:16populate them, base the report on those tables.
00:40:18That was just nuts how challenging it was.
00:40:21So, you need to have the output that is of value to someone
00:40:28and figure out how to automate that output.
00:40:31So, don't just build something and cross your fingers.
00:40:33It's almost never going to work.
00:40:34Now, if you have experience in the industry, that's one thing.
00:40:37Maybe you do, in which case you can do it that way.
00:40:39But you need to have an end product
00:40:43that you are able to produce that has value to people.
00:40:49And, you know, if people have spent...
00:40:51And then you need to build a business case.
00:40:54Everybody wants to build the product.
00:40:55Nobody wants to build a business case, right?
00:40:59So, one of the pieces of software that I built was a...
00:41:03And this was crazy back in the day to build portable stuff.
00:41:06Now, everyone's got phones and tablets.
00:41:08But back in the day, it was really crazy to build stuff you could take on site.
00:41:11So, what I did was I built...
00:41:14Here are the typical questions when you do an environmental site assessment called an ESA.
00:41:17An environmental site assessment is you're going to buy a piece of land.
00:41:20You need to go and do soil samples to make sure there's no weird, like,
00:41:25oh, 50 years ago, this was a battery factory.
00:41:27And there's all kinds of crazy toxic stuff in the ground.
00:41:30Or, you know, you need to go and make sure that it was never used as a gas station
00:41:34because there might still be, you know, half-rotting underground storage tanks
00:41:37buried in the ground and all that.
00:41:40So, these things used to cost about $2,500
00:41:46because you'd have to go out, take a bunch of notes, write a whole report and all of that.
00:41:50So, I got the price of it down.
00:41:56Let me see here.
00:41:57Let's see if I remember these numbers.
00:41:59It's been a while.
00:41:59Yeah, so I got it from $2,500 down to $1,500, right?
00:42:09And because people could go and they could take notes or take notes on a computer
00:42:14and then the computer would automatically generate the report for them.
00:42:18So, it was much, much faster.
00:42:21Because you're not selling a product.
00:42:24You're not charging money.
00:42:25You are giving people money.
00:42:29You are giving people money.
00:42:33So, when I worked with companies in Canada, I'd say, you know,
00:42:38and I created a whole program to make this business case
00:42:42that actually produced a whole business case.
00:42:44So, you'd say, okay, how many of these ESAs,
00:42:46how many environmental site assessments do you do in any given year?
00:42:49Oh, okay.
00:42:50So, you do, you know, it was like, oh, we do 50.
00:42:52You know, we do 50 of these, right?
00:42:54Okay, so, given that the price was $2,500 now, it's $1,500.
00:43:00You do 50, that's $50,000 a year that you're saving.
00:43:03My software is $75,000.
00:43:05It pays for itself in 18 months.
00:43:07Everything after that is just profit.
00:43:09It's just, right?
00:43:10I'm not taking the money.
00:43:12I'm not taking $75,000.
00:43:14I'm giving them $1,000 off every site assessment.
00:43:18And this is a sort of typical example, right?
00:43:21Because most people want to sell their vision.
00:43:23They want to sell their cool stuff.
00:43:24You know, and if you're Steve Jobs and it's a generic consumer product, sure, okay.
00:43:27But even that has to have cool, gooey stuff that Apple had way before.
00:43:31Well, Xerox had before the IBM and Apple had before, after Xerox, but before the IBM.
00:43:37So, you're not charging people.
00:43:44You're not taking money from them.
00:43:46You're not selling a product.
00:43:49You are giving them money.
00:43:50You are giving them time.
00:43:51You are giving them pleasure.
00:43:52You're giving them ease.
00:43:53Anything like that, right?
00:43:55I mean, when I would push a button and I, that was very early on.
00:44:02I automated Word 95 when you had to write the code in Word and there was no debugging.
00:44:09It was crazy.
00:44:11So, when you, you know, here's how you enter the information.
00:44:14It's real easy, real simple.
00:44:15And here's how the information is validated to make sure it's all, it doesn't contradict
00:44:21each other.
00:44:21And then I pushed a button and Word would start up and it would fill in a whole report that
00:44:27normally would take people, you know, two days to write and people could see it just
00:44:30being filled in right away.
00:44:32And the report even had, I even had footnotes.
00:44:37Geez, I should find this software somewhere.
00:44:38I still got it somewhere.
00:44:39I'm sure.
00:44:39It should, it would actually put in footnotes.
00:44:41So, UST, underground storage tank.
00:44:44And PVCs would define those.
00:44:48And AGSTs, above ground storage tanks.
00:44:51So, not only would it produce the report, but because the report would often go to non-technical
00:44:55people, all of the technical, it had this giant database of technical terms, all of
00:44:59the technical terms would have footnotes.
00:45:01It would have a table of contents.
00:45:03It would have the company logo.
00:45:04It was just like a beautiful polished report, which you could just read over.
00:45:08Maybe you need to tweak a little bit here and there.
00:45:10And it was beautiful.
00:45:14It was beautiful.
00:45:14And you need to get people's eyes to light up like that.
00:45:21I mean, you've probably seen this in some fashion or in some manner.
00:45:27Something you see where you're just like, holy crap.
00:45:30Like, I remember when I first, oh gee, I remember what was the, the first player I had was a Rio
00:45:37500.
00:45:38Her name is Rio.
00:45:39It was a Rio 500.
00:45:41And boy, what did it have?
00:45:4364 megs.
00:45:43And I think I got an expansion of 32 extra megs.
00:45:49And I mean, that thing was fantastic.
00:45:56At the moment I saw, oh my gosh, you know, I don't have to say, I mean, I still know,
00:46:01I could probably go through all of this.
00:46:02I still remember the mixtape I had for working out in university.
00:46:06It started off with Paul Simons, The Obvious Child.
00:46:09Then it went to Face the Face by Pete Townsend.
00:46:13Then it went to Dragon Attack by Queen.
00:46:15And then it went to It Can Happen by Yes.
00:46:19And I just, that was my workout tape.
00:46:21And the idea that you could just load up, you know, I used to love working out to Eminence
00:46:26Front by The Who and stuff like that.
00:46:29Um, so I just remember when I first saw that stuff, or I remember the first time I got
00:46:35a, what was it?
00:46:36A five, a five gig hard drive MP3 player.
00:46:40Ah, fantastic.
00:46:41Fantastic.
00:46:42So, you've probably seen those kinds of things, or if you've, you know, the first, I remember
00:46:47the first time I saw a flat screen plasma TV, because it always bothered me, the shudderiness
00:46:50of the regular TVs, and I'm a high res kind of guy, right?
00:46:54But you've got to have something where people are just, you've got to have it, got to have
00:46:59it.
00:47:00Push button, produce report, fantastic, right?
00:47:03Somebody says, you mentioned that with your product, you're giving people time, money,
00:47:06et cetera.
00:47:06Could you also consider giving people functionality?
00:47:08For example, without a camera, you can't stream.
00:47:12But that's not a good example, Joe.
00:47:16I mean, I'm using a sort of specific camera for streaming.
00:47:20This is a Sony, but most people will stream.
00:47:23They just start their streaming with a phone, or a tablet, or, you know, whatever.
00:47:28I built a webcam in there, on their notebook, a Windows notebook, or I suppose in particular.
00:47:36I mean, Microsoft had good cameras on their notebooks, or on an Apple MacBook, and so on,
00:47:43right?
00:47:44So, yeah, I mean, of course, functionality, for sure, for sure.
00:47:48But the problem with functionality is then it's just cost-benefit.
00:47:53And cost-benefit doesn't wow.
00:47:55The wow is, I've got to have it.
00:47:58I've got to have it.
00:47:59And with a camera, okay, well, people, you have to say, well, yes, your phone has a camera,
00:48:06but, you know, this is much better because X, Y, and Z, or, yes, your notebook has a camera,
00:48:11but this is much better because of X, Y, and Z, and so on, right?
00:48:14So then it's just cost-benefits.
00:48:16And if you are starting a new product, a new company, really, you've got to aim for that
00:48:22just blow-your-eyelids-back wow factor.
00:48:26Like, you've got to have people sweating sex juice from their armpits.
00:48:33Just got to have it.
00:48:34Got to have it.
00:48:35To the point where they're not the same after your presentation.
00:48:39That's what I was always trying to give, right?
00:48:42You're not the same.
00:48:45Like, your mind has just been stretched into it.
00:48:47Like, you know, once I saw an MP3 player, and then I, what did I get?
00:48:54I got another one because WMA was a really good format because you could get half the
00:48:59size and similar audio quality.
00:49:01And I got 128 megs, and WMAs were half the size, so it was effective at 256 megs.
00:49:07So I didn't, you know, and I realized, of course, that before I would go to a workout,
00:49:10I'd spend 10 minutes picking my playlist, which was not the most efficient thing,
00:49:14but it was kind of cool.
00:49:15And it's still a lot easier than making a mixtape.
00:49:17So, yeah, just have it, right?
00:49:20You just got to have it.
00:49:21Got to have it.
00:49:22Can't live without it, right?
00:49:23Can't live without it.
00:49:24I used to listen to audiobooks that were giant boxes of tapes.
00:49:28Oh, yeah, like, I mentioned this in a couple of streams ago, I took a Tesla for a test drive.
00:49:40I mean, I'm perfectly happy with my eight-year-old second-hand car, but I was just kind of curious.
00:49:45What is it like to have a car drive you somewhere?
00:49:52Now, I got to tell you, it's the greatest thing I've seen in I don't even know how long.
00:49:58I mean, other than, you know, me and doing these live streams and you.
00:50:03Thank you for the tip, Denisa.
00:50:05So, it's the greatest thing.
00:50:08If I was even remotely in the market for a car, I would just move heaven and earth to try and find a way to get one.
00:50:15So, I mean, it's incredible.
00:50:20It's mind-blowing how good it is.
00:50:24So, yeah, don't, um, this is true with life as a whole.
00:50:33It's not about what you get.
00:50:34It's about what you give.
00:50:37I mean, obviously, I want donations and support for the show, which I appreciate at freedomain.com slash donate.
00:50:44But I'm trying to provide value to you.
00:50:47I'm trying to give you a mindset that in life, what really matters is what you give, not what you're going to get.
00:50:54Right?
00:50:57If you focus on what you give, on what, the value that you can provide to people in business, in romance, in friendship, wherever.
00:51:04If you focus on what you can provide, you'd be amazed at how reciprocal people will be, at how much they will want to provide back.
00:51:14And so, yeah, you've got to just be passionate enough to just build incredible, incredible stuff.
00:51:23And if you don't have some incredible idea, like with me, it was on-site entering data and generating reports in a word processor.
00:51:33And later on, because we had to customize the system for everyone, and that turned out to be quite time-consuming, so I built a whole interface that allowed customers to customize their own system.
00:51:45It would build tables, queries, forms, reports, you name it.
00:51:49So, and it was just like, oh, you want something new?
00:51:53You can add it.
00:51:54Here it shows up in the interface.
00:51:55And then I mapped everything in the system into a database, including where the entry boxes, the forms, the controls, they're called, right?
00:52:04The entry boxes.
00:52:05And so it could be reproduced on the web.
00:52:09And, yeah, so, oh, you know, here you can make this change and do this demonstration.
00:52:14Oh, you want to add this piece of information, you want to delete this one, you have this dropdown, this whole new table form report.
00:52:19Boom, there it is.
00:52:20Oh, and let's go over to the web system, hit refresh.
00:52:24Oh, look, there it shows up on the web, and you can enter it from wherever.
00:52:26Like, it was just amazing stuff.
00:52:28And I called it the database builder.
00:52:29I was actually looking at building that as a separate product and going off and selling that.
00:52:34But for a variety of reasons, I never did.
00:52:36But it was amazing stuff back then.
00:52:39Amazing.
00:52:41All right.
00:52:43Yeah, just in life, just figure out what you can provide to people.
00:52:50And really, the best route to success is just relentlessly try to provide value.
00:52:55I'm doing this 20 years.
00:52:56I'm still relentlessly trying to provide value, right?
00:53:00I mean, this kind of stuff would be very expensive to get from a business consultant.
00:53:03But I'm just handing it out like candy.
00:53:07The Tesla avoiding the moose is what sold me on Tesla initially.
00:53:10Yeah, yeah.
00:53:11Yeah, the wow factor is big.
00:53:13What really differentiates your product from the rest?
00:53:15What extra value does it bring?
00:53:17Yeah.
00:53:19Yeah.
00:53:19I mean, I remember when I was a director of marketing, I convinced the board to pay money
00:53:27to give me access to a business database that gave me a bunch of statistics on companies,
00:53:33obviously the official ones for public companies and the guesstimates for private companies.
00:53:36And then I built a whole program that produced about 1,500 query letters that said, you know,
00:53:43here's your annual revenue, here's what you spend on this estimate, you know, here's what
00:53:48our system saves.
00:53:50And it produced a whole chart and graphs and pretty stuff and a whole document that said, you know,
00:53:58here's the cost of the software, here's the value it saves every year, your cash flow positive is in, you know, 4.2 years.
00:54:06And here's, you know, so it just produced an entire series.
00:54:12And we sent these all out and got a huge amount of interest in the product because it was really customized.
00:54:17Now, some of the data was off, which, you know, we can only do so much with.
00:54:20But it was, you know, that was, I mean, to get 1,500 personalized query letters out to major industry factors
00:54:28showing it looks completely personalized.
00:54:31And this is like 30 years ago.
00:54:32It looks completely personalized and it tells them exactly how quickly the software will pay for itself.
00:54:41What is the ROI?
00:54:42Ah, great stuff.
00:54:44Great stuff.
00:54:45All right.
00:54:46Let's see here.
00:54:47Somebody is saying that their question may have gone.
00:54:52All right.
00:54:53Denise says, oh, I noticed something in a recent call-in.
00:54:58You know how sometimes when people tell a story about childhood, they seem possessed by their parents and the telling of it?
00:55:04Well, I noticed that when you tell the story of your dad neglecting you as a baby while he played tennis
00:55:08and you got into that oil or car fluid, no, sadly, it was a weed killer.
00:55:14And your mom was just so mad at him.
00:55:15It was a precipice of her leaving.
00:55:16It sounds to me like that's her narrative because she was also very neglectful, right?
00:55:21I could be very off.
00:55:23She was neglectful, but not to the point where I was into, I got into a weed killer and drank it,
00:55:28which, you know, could have been why I got the cancer and like any number of things, right?
00:55:31So, I remember very clearly being with my father and being very little, maybe three or four years old.
00:55:40We were in a town in Ireland.
00:55:44Could have been Athlone because that's near where I was born.
00:55:47And I remember it being in a big crowd in a market and my father was gone.
00:55:57He was just gone.
00:56:00And I remember wandering around for quite some time.
00:56:03I remember, you know, very kindly people leaning over, oh, you lost, son.
00:56:08And then they took me to a police station and I chatted with the police and they gave me little drawing pads
00:56:15and let me play with handcuffs and all of that.
00:56:18Fortunately, that was not a foreshadow.
00:56:19And eventually my father, I was, hours later, my father showed up at the police station and got me back.
00:56:31I obviously can't really fathom my father's state of mind and he's fairly lengthy dead now.
00:56:39But it seems to me that that would just come out of annoyance and irritation.
00:56:43Oh, just keep up, you know, that kind of stuff, right?
00:56:45I mean, I remember when I went hiking with my father, he was just, you know,
00:56:49he was like, he was a dot up the mountain.
00:56:52Like, he just, you know, like, I'm thirsty.
00:56:54It's like, well, we suck on this rock and produce saliva.
00:56:56And apparently that was suck on a rock.
00:56:58It's like, is this an analogy for your heart?
00:57:02So, yeah, of course, you know, my mother had her narrative about my father for sure.
00:57:06And it was clearly not objective.
00:57:09But I also did spend some time with my father and he was impatient.
00:57:14And children were slowing him down and just to keep up and pay attention.
00:57:19And, you know, it's not very, so, I mean, I do have some, you're right.
00:57:23I mean, of course, it's my mother's perspective.
00:57:25But I do have some direct experience of my own, so.
00:57:29But I appreciate the comment.
00:57:30I don't, you know, I'm about to change line of work and I've chosen to study IT, either
00:57:40DevOps or ML OPS, but I'm not sure which one is the better choice.
00:57:46Given your background in IT, what do you recommend?
00:57:50I don't know what ML OPS is.
00:57:52Deploy and maintain machine learning models.
00:58:05Yeah.
00:58:06I mean, if I had the choice between going into artificial intelligence or just straight up development,
00:58:15I would go into artificial intelligence because one is growing and one is shrinking, right?
00:58:19Like the IT is, excuse me, that's so much professionalism right there.
00:58:33But AI is growing and regular coding is diminishing.
00:58:38I love how the people on the left are complaining that the AI power usage is so high, right?
00:58:47AI power usage is so high and it's like, but the left is so largely responsible for that
00:58:52because they demand that the AI not be offensive or factual.
00:58:57It has to be woke compliant to a large degree and you have to trick it into giving you information
00:59:02that's not politically correct.
00:59:04So, you know, I assume that about 95% of the coding and therefore to some degree the
00:59:10heat requirements of AI is because of woke leftist bullshit.
00:59:13And so the fact that they're complaining about that is funny.
00:59:20You know, if you just let AI tell the truth, its energy requirements will go down to about
00:59:255% of what they are now.
00:59:30But of course, you know, they love playing gotcha, you know, these petulant low-T bullies, right?
00:59:36Oh, I made the AI say the stuff that's really bad.
00:59:38Is it factual?
00:59:42It doesn't matter.
00:59:44It's upsetting.
00:59:47All right.
00:59:48Did other companies start copying your software?
00:59:51What do you think they did to add wow factor when your software was already out there?
00:59:55For example, if another company comes out with self-driving, it might not add the wow factor
00:59:58since we have already seen Tesla.
01:00:00Is that when branding or marketing, et cetera, comes in to help differentiate products?
01:00:04Yeah, I mean, other people did start copying software, in fact, fairly blatantly.
01:00:09And I was like, great.
01:00:11Yeah, go for it.
01:00:12Because I'm already two generations ahead.
01:00:14Like, I was a real idea hamster when it came to software.
01:00:16I was constantly scanning for code I could get or ActiveX controls that used to be called
01:00:22or other ways that I could bring spice and value add to the software.
01:00:28Like, I was constantly working with all of that.
01:00:33So, yeah, people did, and they did.
01:00:35I saw people, they even came up with the same, oh, look, we'll generate reports in a word
01:00:39processor.
01:00:40It's like, yeah, but I already did that three years ago.
01:00:42And I would point that out.
01:00:43I would say, look, I mean, these guys, they probably did this thing where they produce
01:00:47a report in a word processor, which is kind of nice, because then you can edit it, right?
01:00:52And I said, yeah.
01:00:53And, you know, I mean, I'm not saying they took the idea from me, but I will say that I
01:00:57was doing it three or four years ago, and they're just doing it now.
01:01:00So that's just an example of, I'll always be ahead.
01:01:08Hmm.
01:01:10All right.
01:01:15Would Python developer be better then?
01:01:17I really can't answer that.
01:01:18Sorry.
01:01:18What was my favorite programming language?
01:01:25I mean, I hate to say it, but it was .NET and BASIC.
01:01:30VBA originally, and then I loved BASIC, especially when you compile BASIC to native.
01:01:36I did some work in Java, and I ended up, I counted this up once, I knew 18 different computer
01:01:41languages to varying degrees, but I was most familiar with and found it fun to work with.
01:01:47I did some work in C Sharp, but yeah, VB.NET and the .NET languages in BASIC were just great
01:01:53for me, because, you know, BASIC was originally an interpreted language, so it cost you a lot,
01:01:57like Java, it cost you a lot of processing power.
01:01:59But when it was able to compile to native, it was great.
01:02:09I just jumped in for a minute.
01:02:11Any thoughts on India and Pakistan?
01:02:12First time in my life I'm really aware of the dangers we can all be in.
01:02:15I mean, there are people who, it's not a philosophical culture, right?
01:02:25Not a philosophical culture.
01:02:27So, of course, what that means, what that means is that they're going to be constantly
01:02:34at odds based on tribalism.
01:02:36I mean, we get philosophy or we get tribalism.
01:02:38And, of course, I think it's fairly safe to say that because we haven't chosen to off-ramp
01:02:44to philosophy, we're getting increased tribalism.
01:02:49So, all right.
01:02:56Yeah, I mean, if you won't raise your children to be philosophical, then you're going to end
01:03:02up fighting over a bunch of largely made-up superstitious nonsense and collectivism.
01:03:06So, if there's this level of conflict, my answer is peaceful parenting, philosophy, reason,
01:03:13evidence.
01:03:14That's my argument.
01:03:18If people don't want to do that, then they're going to fight.
01:03:22Reason or violence.
01:03:23That's the only way we have to resolve disputes.
01:03:26Reason or violence, right?
01:03:29Forced redistribution is violence.
01:03:32Voluntarily negotiated price in free market is reason.
01:03:34You don't see Indian and Pakistani scientists or mathematicians lobbing bombs at each other,
01:03:45right?
01:03:46Because they have an objective methodology to determine who's right, which is reason and
01:03:51evidence.
01:03:51Same thing with, I mean, any number of things, right?
01:03:54So, yeah.
01:03:55So, when people are fighting, it's just because they have chosen to reject reason.
01:03:59And they choose irrationality and superstition and collectivism and all that kind of stuff.
01:04:09And so, they're going to fight.
01:04:11That's as predictable as sunrise.
01:04:13It's sort of like, you know, it's like you say, well, what do you think about people who
01:04:19don't exercise and their muscles are weak and their bones are weak?
01:04:26What do you think about that?
01:04:27It's like, well, I mean, I'm no doctor, but my understanding is that's kind of what happens
01:04:32if you don't exercise is your muscles get weak, right?
01:04:37I don't have a little bit of muscle.
01:04:38I don't have much, but a little bit there, not too bad for 58, pushing 59, not terrible,
01:04:43right?
01:04:44Not terrible.
01:04:45I'm actually, I keep thinking I have abs.
01:04:48So, it seems to be a trick of the light, but it could be.
01:04:50I certainly am doing my sit-ups.
01:04:52So, when you say to people, or if you say to me, well, what do you think of people who've
01:05:00got weak muscles and brittle bones and they don't exercise?
01:05:04It's like, well, that's the result of not exercising.
01:05:06I mean, I don't know what to think about it other than that's the result.
01:05:10What do you think about people who don't exercise and eat a huge amount of calories and get fat?
01:05:18What do you mean, what do I think about it?
01:05:19That's the inevitable result of not exercising and eating excessive calories.
01:05:22You're going to get fat.
01:05:25Except for the occasional listener here who have metabolisms of 1,200 coked-up hamsters
01:05:31on a wheel, right?
01:05:34So, I mean, what do I think?
01:05:35There's just inevitable consequences, right?
01:05:36So, you have two cultures in Pakistan and India that, to a large degree, reject reason and evidence.
01:05:44So, they're going to fight.
01:05:47And until they start working with reason and evidence, they're going to fight.
01:05:55Reason or rule is binary.
01:05:56There's nothing in between.
01:05:57I mean, maybe, maybe.
01:06:02I mean, people were asking me about Israel versus the Palestinians.
01:06:07I mean, look, I think that Israel is a more rational culture, for sure.
01:06:12But, you know, there's still a lot of anti-rationality in both modes of thought.
01:06:18And, um, there's just going to be fights.
01:06:22Just going to be fights.
01:06:24Do you want personal virtue based upon integrity?
01:06:27Or do you want collective acceptance based upon conformity?
01:06:31So, all I can do is say that if you reject reason, you're going to end up with violence.
01:06:45So, if there's violence, all you do is say, well, is this a culture that rejects reason?
01:06:50And, to a large degree, they do.
01:06:52So, we'll say that's some fairly funny memes coming out of this, though.
01:07:00I'm not saying I approve of all of them.
01:07:02But some of them can be kind of funny.
01:07:08All right.
01:07:09Questions, issues, challenges, problems.
01:07:11Let me see if I have any other juicy stuff saved in my book-a-book-a-bookmarks.
01:07:16Yeah, The Last of Us.
01:07:23I'm going to be a dad.
01:07:25Wild.
01:07:27Wild.
01:07:31Have you, I mean, do you care at all about the O'Keefe stuff that dropped today?
01:07:36Do you?
01:07:37Do you?
01:07:38Do you?
01:07:42Non-reason-based societies figured nukes out.
01:07:44No, I don't think they did.
01:07:48I think that the non-reason-based societies just stole the scientific advancements of
01:07:59the more reason-based societies.
01:08:00Although, of course, in the free market, you wouldn't have developed nukes.
01:08:03You developed nuclear power, but not nuclear weapons in that way, usually.
01:08:07I mean, certainly if the world is generally free, yeah.
01:08:13It's pretty funny.
01:08:14Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter, Bill and Ted, are headed to Broadway to star in a production
01:08:20of Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot.
01:08:22Isn't that wild?
01:08:26I hate to see it.
01:08:27I'd watch that.
01:08:29I would absolutely watch that.
01:08:31I think they're two very funny actors.
01:08:35Two very funny actors.
01:08:36Keanu Reeves, it's almost like he doesn't have a personality.
01:08:40He's just a performer guy.
01:08:43A very tragic life, though.
01:08:44There once was a ship that sailed to sea, and the name of the ship was the Billy O'Bee.
01:08:57Mike Sinovich has written about this, and I talked about this even over the time of COVID.
01:09:01Mike wrote a day ago, once the Stasi files were opened, this is sort of the East German
01:09:07police.
01:09:09Once the Stasi files were opened, people were able to see who reported them, right, to the
01:09:14government, where you would get kidnapped, tortured, killed, exiled, sent to gulags.
01:09:21Once the Stasi files were opened, people were able to see who reported them.
01:09:24It was often family and close friends.
01:09:29He said, there is a reason I behave the way I do.
01:09:32I'm one of the kindest people on earth, but I have to fight.
01:09:34I understand who will do evil to us, those who pretend to be friends.
01:09:40That's wild.
01:09:41That's true, though.
01:09:42I mean, I've known that for a long time.
01:09:44You know, people are like, how dare you, how dare you criticize family?
01:09:48It's like, family will turn you into the secret police like that a lot of times.
01:09:54A lot.
01:09:58Oh, what dropped?
01:10:00Okay, Joe put the link in here.
01:10:05So this is, O'Keefe has been teasing this for a while.
01:10:09It dropped a little bit late.
01:10:11I don't know, maybe he's on the West Coast.
01:10:135.30 p.m. May 7th, 2025.
01:10:15World exclusive, Prince Andrew was effing underage girls.
01:10:18Tape of Royal Family Advisor exposes Prince Andrew's sexual relations with minors
01:10:22and deep ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
01:10:25And O'Keefe Media Group, you should check it out for sure.
01:10:34I'll just read the first little bit, but you should go to O'Keefe Media Group.
01:10:40In Revelation, caught on hidden camera by O'Keefe Media Group, American businessman and long-time
01:10:45royal insider John Bryan—yeah, that's right, never trust anyone with two first names.
01:10:49I'm looking at you, George Michael—has come forward with damning claims about Prince
01:10:53Andrew's personal relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
01:10:57Bryan, a trusted advisor to the Duke of York, also alleged that Prince Andrew lied to him
01:11:02about his involvement in sexual misconduct with miters.
01:11:04I knew he, Prince Andrew, saw him, Jeffrey Epstein, said Bryan, but he lied to me that
01:11:11he was such a close friend, revealed to—revealed Bryan referring to Prince Andrew's personal
01:11:16relationship with Epstein.
01:11:20So, um, I'll skip a little bit here.
01:11:25Um, I did a big thing in the Daily Mail saying that I believed Andrew Bryan recounted to our
01:11:29undercover OMG journalist, adding, and then I found out he was lying.
01:11:33I was so pissed.
01:11:34When I asked what Andrew had lied about, Bryan didn't mince words, that he was effing underage
01:11:38girls.
01:11:39That's not cool.
01:11:41Ooh, there's some amoral stuff, right?
01:11:43Some amoral stuff.
01:11:45Now, I mean, I gotta tell you, um, the rumors about Prince Andrew have been around since the
01:11:50days when Johnny Carson was hosting The Tonight Show.
01:11:53So, I mean, is it hearsay, I suppose, but, uh, it's interesting.
01:12:05I mean, is it a bombshell?
01:12:06I mean, I don't think so.
01:12:09I don't think so.
01:12:11I mean, maybe to normies, but normies aren't probably going to get touched by it much.
01:12:15All right, let me get back to your, uh, questions or comments.
01:12:25Ba-ba-ba!
01:12:31Ba-ba-ba!
01:12:35Uh, yeah, the Epstein files, I mean, they, is it Bondi who's saying that somebody was saying
01:12:40that they're still going through it all, and it's hundreds of victims and all that kind
01:12:42of stuff, I don't see how they can let this stuff out at all.
01:12:48I mean, it could completely eviscerate most of the top political and entertainment and
01:12:53media people.
01:12:54I would just completely eviscerate them, because either people were involved, or they knew
01:12:58about it, or had a reason to know, and I don't know.
01:13:01It would, it would, I think it would cause a significant mental breakdown for a lot of
01:13:06people, especially if the videos are out, which I doubt they will be.
01:13:10I mean, I thought they were long gone, but apparently they have some, and again, who
01:13:15knows?
01:13:15Who knows?
01:13:25All right, let me see if you've got any other questions.
01:13:28I listened to the recent donor show, No Dates, One's Wife, while falling asleep.
01:13:37I fell asleep off and on, and had an incredibly informative lucid dream while it played.
01:13:41Thanks for the show.
01:13:42I had one of these lightning strike moments you spoke about before.
01:13:46Oh, Chris, I'm glad to hear that.
01:13:48I'm glad to hear that, and thanks, of course, to the very generous listener for sharing his
01:13:51thoughts and feelings.
01:13:52I did a call, gosh, what was it, yesterday?
01:13:55This woman, she is looking for a husband, and she is a, well, was a model, and modeled
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01:14:09donors first, but if you, she agreed that if anybody wants to date her, that they could
01:14:16email me, host of freedomain.com.
01:14:18It's a very, very nice young woman, a very nice young woman.
01:14:21All right, this is from, gosh, I should know this.
01:14:25This is Fiverr, Fiverr, Fiverr, Michael, Mika Kaufman.
01:14:31Hey, team, I've always believed in radical candor, and despite those who sugarcoat reality
01:14:35to avoid stating the unpleasant truth, and despise those, sorry, the very basis for radical
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01:14:51AI is coming for your jobs.
01:14:54Heck, it's coming for my job too.
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01:15:37Are we all doomed?
01:15:38Not all of us, but those who will not wake up and understand the new reality fast are unfortunately
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01:15:44What can we do?
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01:15:51Panic hasn't solved problems for anyone.
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01:18:05Did that call-in model ever go to Dubai?
01:18:07No, she did not.
01:18:08She did not.
01:18:09Although that is a very reasonable question.
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01:18:29All right.
01:18:30Let's get to you and your questions.
01:18:34A couple more.
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01:18:51Complex question in a few words.
01:18:53I'm going through a difficult divorce.
01:18:56My ex-wife has taken the kids.
01:18:57Should I concentrate on being close to the kids and live in an area that makes me weaker financially and less of a support circle?
01:19:05Or should I set up where I'm stronger and prepare a space for the kids to come in when the time is right?
01:19:11Well, you've got to tell me how old the kids are.
01:19:13It's one thing if they're 17.
01:19:15It's one thing if they're four.
01:19:16That's what I don't know.
01:19:21I'm really like, obviously, I can't tell you what to do.
01:19:23You're aware of that, right?
01:19:24You're aware of that.
01:19:25With a divorce that is contentious of 13 and 15, well, how can they take the kids?
01:19:38Don't they get a choice?
01:19:39They get a choice at that age, don't they?
01:19:40Don't they have some say in where they go?
01:19:43I don't know that they can just get taken.
01:19:44But again, I'm no lawyer, so I don't know.
01:19:46Don't tell me where you are, but I don't know that you can just take the kids, can you?
01:19:51I just don't know.
01:19:52So, it's tough to know.
01:20:04There are certainly stories of men who've tried to pour everything into a bad divorce and lose just about everything.
01:20:14Sanity, finances, access to kids, money, of course, right?
01:20:19It's just brutal.
01:20:22On the other hand, if you bail when the kids might need you and you might have access to them, then you've left something important behind.
01:20:31In my view, just absolutely personal opinion, no prescription to action.
01:20:41In my view, I'd sort of try and put myself in this kind of position because I've had a number of calls with people about this, quite a number of calls with people about this kind of topic.
01:20:49If your wife is really hostile, it's going to be really difficult, unpleasant, and you're basically going to have to bite your tongue, not tell the truth, and be kind of emasculated for the next couple of years until your kids are adults.
01:21:06You've got five years until your 13-year-old is an adult, right?
01:21:08Then, I mean, all they see is a kind of broken guy biting his tongue, ducking legal blows from the ex, from their mom.
01:21:20That's probably not very inspiring.
01:21:21You know, the other option, and again, I don't know what you should do.
01:21:26I'm not in any way telling you what to do.
01:21:28But another option is pull up stakes, do your best, try and stay in touch, go start a new family and get it right this time.
01:21:36You know, pick the right woman, get it right.
01:21:37Right.
01:21:38Thank you, Durban.
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01:21:42Yeah.
01:21:44It's, you know, do you pour yourself into a hostile situation where you have no control and you're facing a very aggressive person who's very lawyered up?
01:22:01I don't know.
01:22:03Or do you say, okay, well.
01:22:08Kind of faff this up, stay around for the kids as best I can, ready and be available, but I can't have any needs here because I'm just going to get messed up.
01:22:19And do I try and figure out where I went wrong and try and figure out how I can get it right with the next family?
01:22:27I don't know the answer.
01:22:28Is it worth being around kids if you're just kind of broken and frightened and have to bite your tongue about everything?
01:22:40I don't know.
01:22:41I don't know.
01:22:42I mean, obviously, you want to be around your kids as best you can, but I don't know.
01:22:45I mean, you know, maybe things will cool down with your ex and you can find a more reasonable accommodation between you.
01:22:59Maybe that can happen.
01:23:00I don't know.
01:23:00But if it stays, you know, I would have, I mean, again, this may be a personal failing of mine, so, I mean, I could be completely wrong about all of this.
01:23:11But I don't, I don't let my kids, I don't let my kids, oh, I don't let my daughter see me in a humiliated or bullied position.
01:23:30You know, once or twice over the years, someone has come up kind of aggressive towards me and I'll just push back hard.
01:23:37I mean, I think, I remember one time I had to really raise my voice and tell someone to step back.
01:23:54No fear, eye contact, I feel like a cobra flare in my neck.
01:24:00Just, yeah, so you, you, it's not real great for your kids to see you getting pushed around.
01:24:05And if that's the situation with your ex, I don't know.
01:24:08But, you know, there's other answers rather than just hang around and get beaten up.
01:24:16You know, because your kids are going to have questions and if you can't tell the truth, they'll know deep down that you're lying, right?
01:24:25And it's going to be really tough because they may not know for years as to why or what's happening, so.
01:24:31Who knows?
01:24:32All right, any of the last questions?
01:24:38Trump made his 143rd executive order to ban the gain-of-function research in China.
01:24:43Well, I don't think 100%.
01:24:44But, yeah, the rhinos, right?
01:24:48You've got to get this stuff out of executive orders and into the actual law.
01:24:51I don't know if they're really working that hard to do that.
01:24:54I mean, it's crazy.
01:24:57Because all these executive orders can just be undone by the next president, right?
01:25:00And somebody's introduced legislation to try and undo the Patriot Act.
01:25:09Good luck with that, right?
01:25:12Now, Jeffrey Sachs, interesting guy, intelligent guy, obviously, good communicator.
01:25:17I think he wants one world government, but whatever, right?
01:25:19So, Kyra posted that Jeffrey Sachs said the U.S. government did experiments testing on bats they had at the government laboratory in Montana.
01:25:27The virus worked on the bats, but there was a problem.
01:25:29The U.S. had different bats than the ones in Southeast Asia, so they sent the virus to Wuhan, China, to test on their bats.
01:25:36Now, of course, yeah, I don't know.
01:25:39I don't know.
01:25:40Who knows if this is true?
01:25:42He seems very convinced.
01:25:45I don't know if he's compromised.
01:25:46I don't know if it's true.
01:25:49I think there definitely were.
01:25:50I mean, I think that's pretty established that there were bioweapons labs in Ukraine, many of them, I think.
01:25:56And that would have given Russia some pause for sure.
01:25:58All right.
01:26:05Last questions, issues, challenges, problems.
01:26:08Happy to hear.
01:26:11Happy to hear.
01:26:17Yeah.
01:26:18Could it be that I might end up...
01:26:20I did a whole video called The Case Against China, right?
01:26:23Could it be the case that I end up having to issue an apology to China?
01:26:32I don't know.
01:26:34Hard to say.
01:26:35Certainly, of course, China is saying that it came out of the U.S., but who knows, right?
01:26:40I don't know that there'd be any smoking guns at this point, right?
01:26:49All right.
01:26:50I think we did a good show.
01:26:51I think we had a great set of conversations.
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01:27:18And I really do.
01:27:20How long does the spike protein stay in the body?
01:27:22Well, you can go look that up, but I don't think it's a short amount of time from what I've read from what I've read.
01:27:28So, yeah.
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