A discussion on impact of Union Budget 2021 on Personal Finance and Tax Planning

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00:00 2021 is finally here. The new year brings with it tidings of hope. The vaccine rollout
00:10 is in sight for our frontline warriors and everyone else. The economy is starting to
00:15 normalize and consumer demand is anticipated to rise. As the world picks itself up, we
00:22 too need to reset and start planning and investing with the aim of creating a better future financially.
00:29 Right, before we start planning, let's take a look at the past year and the challenges
00:34 we faced, the pain and anxiety we have overcome and the valuable financial lessons we should
00:40 remember and implement in our lives. 2020 started like any other year, with sounds of
00:46 good cheer. Life was normal. Every day a routine. Get up, go to work, come home, sleep, repeat.
00:55 Then COVID-19 spread and everything changed. We stayed at home. We worked from home. We
01:02 met no one. The economy took a beating. Jobs were lost. Uncertainty prevailed everywhere.
01:11 Our personal finances were impacted and many of us might be worse off financially. As we
01:18 step into a new year, we need to arm ourselves financially to ensure that we are prepared
01:24 for any future challenges that life throws our way, resetting financially. 2020 has taught
01:30 us some valuable lessons. Let's apply these lessons to our life and start working towards
01:36 building a better future financially. Lesson 1. Spend less, save more, stay invested. Before
01:45 2020, movies, eating out and shopping were an essential part of life. Then the world
01:51 locked down. The economic situation became uncertain and we were forced to reset and
01:57 re-evaluate our priorities. We rediscovered the joys of eating healthy home-cooked meals,
02:03 exercising to maintain health and spending time with our families. This lifestyle shift
02:08 has made us realize that we were capable of saving more by practicing mindful spending.
02:14 It has also shown us that while the market fluctuates, it is capable of bouncing back
02:19 and we shouldn't make hasty decisions. Lesson 2. Prepare for emergencies financially. The
02:26 pandemic led to many losing jobs while others dealt with severe salary cuts. Medical bills
02:32 piled up, paying for essentials got stressful and savings depleted rapidly. This disruption
02:38 of life emphasized the need for a contingency fund, which would have approximately 6 to
02:44 9 months of salary to help manage essential expenses during an emergency. Lesson 3. Minimize
02:50 your debt. Prior to 2020, it was easy to swipe a credit card to shop or take a personal loan
02:57 to pay for a holiday and assume you would pay off the debt quickly in the future. Then
03:02 2020 proved life's uncertainty. Job losses and salary cuts led to high interest debts
03:09 adding up and savings getting depleted. These uncertainties and obstacles taught us the
03:14 importance of keeping our debt low and manageable. Lesson 4. Get independent medical coverage.
03:22 2020 has reinforced the importance of medical coverage as a short hospitalization generated
03:28 substantial bills. Ensure your entire family from your children to your parents have adequate
03:34 coverage. Consider getting independent medical coverage which won't be affected by job change
03:40 or a job loss. Lesson 5. Plan your financial estate. Last but not the least, plan your
03:48 family's future. 2020 has shown us that life changes in a blink of an eye. Plan for the
03:54 worst by organizing your estate. Create a will mentioning all your assets, property,
04:00 cars, financial investments and more and who will inherit each asset. If you are a single
04:06 parent with minor children, your preferred guardian. This difficult step will make it
04:11 easier for your heirs to locate your investments and prevent ugly arguments. Now that you know
04:17 what you should keep in mind when planning for a better future, you can start the new
04:21 year on the right note and take control of your finances. Analyze your income and expenses.
04:28 Get a clear understanding of your current financial situation and reset your goals.
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04:46 Hello everyone, a very warm welcome to all of you as we bring you a special episode of
04:52 this popular investor education and awareness initiative of Aditya Birla Mutual Fund in
04:57 association with Outlook Money. I say special because in this episode we discuss a very
05:02 special budget, the one that followed the economic havoc and unleashed by the coronavirus
05:07 pandemic. I am Vishwi, your host for the day. On February 1st, Finance Minister Nirmala
05:12 Sitharaman gave her budget speech, which was not only welcomed by each and every individual
05:16 of the country, but also by markets that have been on a roll ever since. It was a budget
05:22 that set out to rebuild our economy post pandemic. Perhaps it was also the first time that a
05:26 budget that did not make any changes to the taxation system, that did not bring any relief
05:31 and yet did not disappoint the common man. In today's discussion, we try to unravel what
05:36 the budget means for the taxpayer and the investor. We are joined today by Mr. K S Rao,
05:41 head investor education and distribution development, Aditya Birla Sun Life Asset Management Company
05:46 Limited. Mr. Rao, an alumnus of IIM Calcutta has spent over two decades in the mutual fund
05:52 industry and in his current role, he leads his organization's effort towards investor
05:56 education. We are also joined by Mr. Amit Trivedi, author, speaker, trainer and blogger
06:02 with over 26 years of professional experience in capital markets. As a trainer, he has trained
06:06 over 83,000 participants to almost 1300 workshops across 130 different locations across the
06:12 country. Today, we are also joined by Mr. Gaurav Mashruwala, certified financial planner
06:17 and practitioner. He has a professional experience of over two decades. He has also authored
06:23 several books, including Essential Guide to Carefree Retirement and Yogic Wealth, The
06:28 Wealth That Gives Bliss. The theme of this session is budget and you, personal finance
06:32 and tax planning. So let's get straight into it. And I asked my first question to Mr. Rao.
06:37 Mr. Rao, this union budget for the year 2021-22 is being hailed as one that would bring back
06:43 the economy on the growth path. There has been increased capital expenditure layout
06:50 and overall markets have been doing well post the budget. So how do you look at this particular
06:55 budget, the one that has come after the pandemic, the one year that was kind of very volatile
07:02 for the economy?
07:03 Thanks, Vishal. Good morning to everyone. Indeed, it is great to be partnering with
07:08 Gaurav and Amitji. And thanks to Outlook for this session. We are always grateful for Outlook
07:14 team for taking every time a new creative topic, which is more relevant to the investors
07:21 and to take that informed investment decisions. And of course, this is a very unique budget
07:26 for all of us. And so most of the times we talk in financial planning, budget is a non-event
07:32 for your financial goals. But this time, it is an event for the nation, if not for an
07:38 individual. But it's helping us to recalibrate our portfolios. And I was just looking at
07:44 the data over the last 30 to 40 years and especially last 30 years data on the budgets.
07:50 Probably in 1991, budget is considered to be the one game changer for India in the last
07:56 30 years. Probably this 2021, after 30 years, probably it is expedited. It's giving us next
08:02 decade. It's a budget for the decade, this decade. It's a beginning. And it is showing
08:07 a path and it's like, you know, it's a budget which is giving a light, which is a healthy,
08:13 wealthy and wise, which someone said very rightly. And I was reading in Economic Times,
08:18 Swaminathan's article when he says that this is a courageous and taboo breaking budget.
08:23 And then, of course, budget is truly a pro-growth budget and it's a budget with big ideas. And
08:29 it's like, you know, this big idea stage is set for the next decade. I personally feel
08:36 it's a glorious decade for India is ahead. And this budget has focused on many things.
08:40 How we can look at things is a pro-policy, pro-growth and it's a production link. It's
08:49 a budget which is giving us a path to us. And this time, government has literally broken
08:55 that taboo. I think, you know, fiscal policies, I mean, it's deviating from the fiscal policies
09:01 earlier. You know, fiscal deficits, we are looking at too much. Fiscal deficit targeting.
09:06 And this is a time which has come in the last year when we all struggled and I think 2020
09:11 is a very different year. And 2021, it's like, you know, the year of survival to the budget
09:16 which is giving us a decade to thrive. And it's India's time has just come back to us.
09:23 And I also look at this budget is focused on multiple sectors, which can throw away
09:29 to the economy very differently. If I look at, it's like, you know, when I say big, BIG,
09:35 it is focused on the banking, it is focused on the insurance, and it is focused overall
09:40 on the growth. That growth includes on the infrastructure and the real estate and what
09:46 else. It's like, you know, and automobile. And coming back, I look at infrastructure,
09:51 there is an outlay. You're constructing, it's like, you know, 11,000 kilometers of roads,
09:57 national highway, which you are spending so much of money and which is in turn a cycle,
10:01 you know, it's a cycle which can create employment, which creates a demand and which can create
10:06 the overall economic growth. And on the banking side, there is a reforms like ARC and PSU
10:13 banks, capitalizations, the privatization, which is indirectly meant, I mean, that can
10:18 give a change. And the insurance, there is a change in the FDI. And you know, that can
10:22 give like, not only the partnership from the foreign partners, but also giving the ownership
10:28 to them can be a game changer. Even in the real estate, it's like, you know, REITs, which
10:33 we are talking about and INVITs we are talking about, which can be changed. And the auto
10:37 side, the scrapping of the old vehicles. Overall, I look at this, this will be a booster dose
10:42 for the economy, and that will help the overall economy to grow and earnings will grow. And
10:47 that's where the policy is predicting it. Like most of us predicting at 12 to 13% growth
10:53 this year, and maybe a decade long 7% of the growth. All this put together, it adds a lot
10:58 of value probably, you know, this, I mean, which we talk about 5 trillion economy, which
11:02 is going to be real. And this will pave a path for us. And it's like, you know, we are
11:08 in the right spot. And this is the time we need to recalibrate, which is a class I'm
11:12 sure we will get from Amit Bhai and Gaurav. And I look at this is one of the pragmatic
11:18 budget, it's a proactive budget and progressive budget.
11:21 Thank you. Thank you so much. A progressive budget that will bring the country back on
11:26 the growth path. We are expecting double digit nominal growth in the coming years, after
11:31 a year that completely shattered the economy, which is itself says a lot about, you know,
11:36 the kind of budget that we were expecting and the kind of budget that we got that lived
11:39 up, lived up to the expectations. My next question is for Mr. Mashroorwalla. Mr. Mashroorwalla,
11:45 when it comes to personal finance, what do you think are the key takeaways from this
11:49 budget, only from the personal finance perspective?
11:51 A couple of things. Number one, I'm happy with benefits for senior citizens. As in your
12:03 non-filing of returns if you are pension income, I'm also happy. I'm also happy that they are
12:15 trusting the people. They are saying no more opening of old returns, which are more than
12:24 three years old, which is a great sign. I'm also happy for NRIs. What my concern is that
12:41 there are pay cuts, there are job losses, there are no increments. Now, yes, it is definitely
12:51 a growth-oriented, it's future-looking. But what about this year? People who have lost
13:02 jobs, people who have not had increments, is there anything done for them? And that's what
13:11 I see missing. I see a situation whereby at least for a year, they could have been a little
13:25 lenient with it, temporarily. But people who have lost jobs, who are not able to pay EMI,
13:36 what about them? Give them some benefits. Do it in a manner whereby, while economy will
13:51 come back on track for sure, highly, highly growth-oriented. I'm very happy with the budget,
14:00 but bring back people temporarily to their level and then continue.
14:05 Right. There has been no tax relief for the taxpayer. That is true. And that is
14:16 there was one expectation, which was let down by this budget.
14:20 I see benefits in no tedious individuals. I see a lot of other benefits coming up, a lot of them.
14:29 But save the Muslims for one more year. We can't have growth at the cost of pay cuts, job loss.
14:40 We will anyway have high GDP because it's on lower base. But one more year.
14:48 Right. Absolutely. I'll ask a follow-up question to Mr. Tiwedi. Like Mr. Mashwal has said,
14:57 no relief on personal income tax front. How do you look at this status quo on taxation front?
15:02 So, Bishop, first of all, there was a speculation about a COVID cess. So, I think that by itself
15:14 could have been a big dampener. And to that extent, not touching the income tax rates
15:22 is welcomed by a lot of market participants. But as Gaurav was mentioning, I also tend to agree
15:30 on one particular point that the taxpayers, yes, Vishwas, I mean, has been increased. So,
15:36 Vivaat Se Vishwas is a movement that old files cannot be opened or some of the other measures.
15:45 But I think in this entire fight against COVID, one category is contribution and that category
15:53 happens to be the taxpayer. That contribution was not lauded the way the other COVID warriors
16:00 contribution was cheered. Some relief could have come. Secondly, I think while we talk about tax
16:08 and this question is about tax, but Gaurav's point is very valid. When there is no income,
16:14 tax reliefs don't help or whether any change in tax is made or not, it doesn't really help.
16:20 Overall, not touching the tax every year is actually a good move that you are trying to
16:29 bring stability in the tax structure. Ideally, a tax structure should be such that you need not
16:37 tinker with the taxes every now and then. So, to that extent, stability is always a better idea.
16:44 The other thing is in a couple of cases, they've tried to bring in parity. For example,
16:50 the taxation on ULIP or EPF, the higher contributions, that parity is also a good
16:59 move that product serving equivalent purposes should be treated in a similar manner. There
17:07 should not be a tax arbitrage. So, that's another good move from this budget.
17:12 Right. On that note, I would come back to Mr. Mashruwalla. Now, as you said, no relief
17:19 for the middle class and on the taxation front at least, a lot of job losses have happened,
17:26 a lot of salary cuts have happened. So, now, since the slabs are the same, the deductions are the
17:32 same, we still have the two regimes that exist simultaneously now. So, Mr. Mashruwalla, what
17:38 are some things that one should do when planning taxes for the next fiscal? Should this stick to
17:43 the same plan as last year because there has been no change in the taxation system? Or should they
17:49 do things differently for this year? If the focus is on financial plan,
17:55 then no change needed at all. Because don't keep changing your plan based on tax.
18:05 But if the focus is on tax, then it'll depend on your income level.
18:12 Will your income change? Will your income drop? Based on that, the strategy has to be developed.
18:22 People who have lost jobs or pay cuts, will that level come back to old level?
18:32 Now, if it does, then what you were doing earlier, start doing it. If that does not happen,
18:39 then you are anyway not in the slab. So, then it doesn't matter at all. My
18:48 recommendation will be stick to contingency plan, which we've been saying.
18:57 Ensure there is enough health insurance,
19:05 there is life insurance, payback loans, because that's another problem.
19:13 Right. So, if we are struggling to get out of that and then move on to investment,
19:24 then we have to do it.
19:25 So, last year, a lot of people who faced salary cuts, for them it was a kind of a sudden thing
19:34 that happened. It was not something that was anticipated. And they had to adjust their tax
19:40 planning also and their budgets also. Without any plan, they had to improvise their budgets.
19:49 If their salary brackets are still at that reduced level, but this year, they already know that this
19:55 has happened and this is what we expect to happen this year. So, because they have this extra vision
20:01 of what is happening, which they did not have last year. So, in that context, how should they
20:05 approach their tax planning and their budget this year?
20:10 Is it to me or to me?
20:12 To you. Yes.
20:15 What more can they do? If there is no restoration of income, they anyway don't have money coming in.
20:25 They are struggling. Now, if that's the case, what can they do? We have had situations where
20:34 our middle management, junior management, they also have lost jobs. So, from the taxation
20:44 perspective, you can't do much. What you can do is plan well.
20:51 Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for your answer. I will move on to Mr. Rao now. Mr. Rao,
20:56 when it comes to the markets, at least they have wholeheartedly welcomed the budget.
21:01 They have seen a sharp rise post the budget announcement. The markets closed above 50,000,
21:08 cents exposed above 50,000 level for the first time after the budget. So, how do you look at this
21:14 sharp surge in equity markets? Mr. Rao. I think most of us today, when market at 58,
21:20 I mean, some time back, Amit and me, we were addressing few investors. It is at that time
21:25 index was at 45 and what next? And at 50, what next? And probably we may say 55, what next?
21:31 A 60, what next? This is an optimism. I think this budget has given one push for the growth
21:38 and second for the infrastructure revival. And this is the key focus areas of the budget,
21:43 which has given optimism overall. That optimism is bringing back the markets on a surge. And
21:49 I'm sure post-budget markets have gone up by 7% to 8%. And I look at like this, India is a growth
21:56 stock for the world. It is where FIIs are looking at and global investors are looking at. As I said
22:02 earlier, my CIO, Manish Dangi, I mean, over the last three years, I was just looking at him,
22:09 last three months, he had a series of presentations much before the budget,
22:14 which is a glorious decade for India. I mean, with that, I look at India is going to be a
22:19 very promising star. And then that way I look at market, yeah, it may come to a consolidation phase
22:25 now. And there could be some phase where it can stabilize at one place. And while investors
22:30 investing in the market, let us not look at the market and allocate your money, look at your
22:35 goals. I think that's where Gaurav always preaches people on a financial planning or goal planning
22:41 and your allocation is key. And Amit keep telling most of the times when I was with him,
22:47 is like rebalancing and re-allocation is the key. And that's where mutual funds today talk about
22:53 it's a BAF kind of asset, as a screen of funds, where investors can comfortably can look at,
23:00 then asset allocation can happen, part of asset allocation. Now it's like earnings will
23:06 make a trigger in the market next. And I think with the 13% growth, which is expected
23:13 consensus growth for the next year and data stabilizing at 6% to 7%, still I feel the
23:19 markets are fairly priced and one need not look at this PE sometimes misleading for any one of us.
23:26 If I go by only PE, then I can say I may be missing that asset class. If we can go back to
23:33 the history and where FIIs are pumping and we exit and that is a time market goes up and we lose the
23:39 opportunity of that growth. But as an investor, as a personal finance, your budget is the most
23:45 important stuff for you and you need to budget for yourself all this stuff. And you can look at
23:50 your asset allocation is a key and goal-based investment, please stick to that, which we are
23:55 always telling. And your SIPs, again, and I think with your Outlook Forum, we were talking over last
24:02 five to six episodes, where continue your SIPs, never stop your SIPs. I remember you are mentioning
24:08 in the month of June, July, where there's somebody has to stop their SIP until and unless situation
24:13 warrants on the personal finance side, as Gaurab I just said, if there is a job loss, that the
24:17 situation was very difficult, people. But now you continue with your asset allocations and
24:24 now there could be some sector rotations, et cetera, may happen and have your goal-based
24:29 investment. But definitely one has to take that risk and stay put to equity. Equity as an asset
24:34 class definitely outperform as we look at a decade ahead. Probably you need to be a little bit
24:39 overweight to the equities and the volatility can be higher, one need to get prepared for it.
24:45 But that volatility can give you the potential outperformance. This is where Amit Bhai talks
24:50 about the roller coaster ride, this roller coaster ride we need to manage. And this economic recovery
24:57 is real. And if I look at 1991 to 2020 is one era and 2021 to 2030 could be other era. I think that
25:06 part of compounding, the joy of compounding, which will come in a bigger way and one need to be
25:12 overweight. Even somebody who is at a retirement phase, still look at equity as an asset class,
25:18 where Gaurabai talks about in one of his books on the retirement planning as a three bucket
25:22 philosophy. I think your third bucket should go completely to the equity. And
25:27 investors need to rebalance that. Right. I think we are at a high right now
25:37 on this roller coaster and with this kind of market scenario. So Mr. Trivedi, you always talk
25:45 about when there is volatility, that is the real nature of the market. When markets are moving in
25:51 one direction, that is when there is something wrong with it. So in this market scenario where
25:55 we are seeing them climbing new highs every day, every passing week, how should one approach equity
26:02 markets at this particular time? Should there be a caution or should there be more weightage given
26:07 to the equity? Are they the preferred investment avenue right now? Or should one be cautious and
26:12 take a step back and look at the market with some kind of suspicion, some kind of caution?
26:20 Yeah, so Vishal, equity markets by nature are volatile and that volatility is closely
26:29 associated with the perceived risk by investors. Having said that, taking risk is not something
26:38 like one need not avoid risk. Taking risk is more like a choice. You choose to take risk and how
26:45 much risk did you want to take depending on your personal situation and your requirement. So that's
26:51 number one. Number two, since it is a risky asset category, one needs to be cautious anyway. And
26:58 cautious doesn't mean lower allocation. Cautious means plan properly, understand, and invest in a
27:04 systematic manner. That's what caution really means. So there's a very, very interesting question
27:14 in my mind, which I often think about, that people think of equity and considering it is risky, they
27:22 want to run away. But the riskiest thing in the house, in every house, is the fire or electricity.
27:29 And we don't run away from fire and electricity. We only don't play with fire, we use it. We use
27:36 the power of that fire or electricity for our own benefit. Look at equity as a risky asset class with
27:42 the same manner. So you don't put your finger in an open plug point. That's dangerous. That's playing
27:51 with your life. You don't do that. But you put it in a concealed environment, well insulated,
27:59 the way the electricity flows in a wire, and you can really, you know, use it for your benefit.
28:07 Use equity in exactly the same manner. Whatever is happening right now, if I try to understand on
28:14 each day, why the market has gone up, why the market has gone down, that's a futile exercise.
28:19 Nobody on the earth has been able to crack that equation. Because if somebody is able to crack
28:24 that equation, the equation changes. And that's the nature of equity market. So understand your
28:30 own requirement, understand that you are investing in a risky asset. So understand the asset category,
28:36 plan properly and invest systematically. That's the mantra.
28:41 I brought one or two points I missed, and I think we all missed, which I really appreciate.
28:47 It's about allowing a depositor in a bank, like PNC, or Laxmi Vilas Bank, or any other bank,
29:01 where there is a problem, let him allow to withdraw money up to the limit of insurance.
29:09 This was really, really needed. It was important that depositors' confidence is brought back.
29:18 Right. Thank you for highlighting that point, Mr. Mishrawalla. I will again come back to you.
29:27 Since we were talking about markets, and you know, markets are at this high right now,
29:34 there are certain sectors which have seen major focus in the budget also. So is it a good time
29:39 to, you know, review one's portfolio and readjust it to increase exposure to these sectors after the
29:45 budget announcement? What are the things that one should keep in mind to do that? For example,
29:49 there has been increased focus on like Mr. Rao was also saying, like automobile and infrastructure,
29:55 and even real estate. So is it a time to rebalance the portfolio to increase exposure to certain
30:00 sectors? I may not recommend because a lay investor may not be able to pick up the cues.
30:10 Now, if that happens, and if he goes to World War, there will be problems.
30:17 So I would be happy if he continues with a normal fund and let fund manager do the job.
30:28 So instead of investor taking call, let the fund manager take the call.
30:33 Don't go for sectorial funds so soon. Because sectorial funds could be additional
30:44 topping on your portfolio, but they can't be the core portfolio.
30:48 Right. And a follow up question, not just, you know, allocation in terms of different sectors,
30:57 but even people's portfolio have become equity heavy after this surge in the equity markets.
31:03 And the asset allocation now is tilted heavily towards equities. So is there, you know,
31:09 should one consider rebalancing one's portfolio in terms of instruments? And how should one
31:14 approach this particular situation? I don't think changing of instruments will be needed.
31:22 But you already answered yes, if your allocation has changed drastically in favor of equity,
31:28 reduce the equity. Because people go overbought and then they panic.
31:36 Amit Dhan's book, Rollercoaster Rider has spoken about this extensively.
31:49 Don't chase and don't get too risky. It is rollercoaster ride. Don't go overbought,
31:58 rebalance, reduce the equity.
32:00 Right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Is there any, you know, is there any kind of
32:09 step by step guide that you would like to share with our investors through which they can rebalance
32:15 their portfolios? A couple of things. One is obviously liquidating change may not be the best
32:23 idea. Second is future investment. So if it's an SIP or something, modify that.
32:32 If there are any financial goals coming up, liquidate equity or liquidity funds.
32:44 All these are three methods to rebalance the portfolio.
32:48 Thank you. Thank you so much. My next question is to Mr. Trivedi. And this is a question that
32:59 one asks after every, you know, budget speech that has concluded, every budget that has been
33:04 announced. Does this budget leave the common man richer or poorer? Mr. Trivedi, what do you think?
33:12 I don't think there's a direct impact on the person finances only on account of the budget.
33:18 And as Gaurav also mentioned earlier that what has changed is the government's budget,
33:23 not the household budget. So one has to look at it in that context. Given the budget,
33:29 how do you manage your finances is the individual question. Does this budget provide opportunities
33:37 for one to become wealthier? Yes, it does. Does this budget provide enough opportunities to make
33:44 mistakes? Yes, it does. So it's up to the individual to decide whether one chooses the
33:50 path to become wealthier or poorer. All right. Thank you. That's a
33:58 great question. Yeah. Please go ahead, Mr. No, no, I just said I love that answer.
34:04 It doesn't change my budget. Focus on your budget. Right. So a follow up on country's budget,
34:13 focus on your budget. Yes, coming to that point. I would ask all of you this one question. Now,
34:20 the union budget has been laid out. We know what the government plans for the next fiscal for the
34:25 country. But in this backdrop, what are some personal finance lessons that you would want
34:30 our viewers to live with so that they can use it to create their budget for the next fiscal? I ask
34:34 this question to all of you. Maybe we can start with Mr. Rao. Yeah. Thanks, Vishal. I think I
34:40 like last Amit's answer on living the poor are rich. It's what you do. It's the most important.
34:46 And similarly, this budget, like last year, it was really painful for us. Even if I have a proper
34:53 budget for me, I couldn't have managed on various ways because as Gaurav said earlier, there was a
35:00 job losses, there was a pay cuts and people find it very difficult. And this budget has given an
35:05 opportunity to relook yourself and what you need to do. And now since the clarity has come, now it's
35:10 the time for us to look at risk in a very different way. And then the personal finance lessons, the
35:16 first lesson I look at every budget we discuss is this is what we do. We used to do a lot of
35:21 events on the ground with Gaurav Bhai. And we are talking about the union finance minister,
35:26 Honorable Finance Minister Nirmalaji's budget this time. And every year we discuss about the
35:32 budget. But how many of us have our own family budget with a disciplined way? Are we looking
35:37 at? Do we have your income expenditure and your goals, how you're allocating? The biggest personal
35:43 finance lesson is don't look at budget, but look at your own budgets, what you need to look at.
35:49 And we always discuss about India's GDP and now India's GDP on the growth path. And we used to
35:53 talk about what is your GDP, your goals, your dreams and your plans, how many times you are
35:59 focusing on it. And now, during the last year, we are talking about the virus. This year, we are
36:05 talking about the vaccine. And it's like, there is a sea change from the crisis to the opportunity
36:11 today. And there is a like, you know, now at this point of the time as a one personal finance
36:16 lesson, I look at is like the way Madam laid down in this budget, there are six pillars for the
36:21 overall budget, you know, six themes she spoke, health and well-being or financial capital,
36:26 or it could be an infrastructure, or even good rating in human capital and the minimum government
36:32 and maximum governments. Probably for your personal finance, just look at your health and
36:37 your well-being. And what is your finance capital, you know, for your retirement planning or something
36:42 and your infrastructure. This is a time if you have not acquired a house now, like there is a
36:47 real estate, which is looking very promising. Look at your own infrastructure, not only the way you
36:52 need to have with your family and you can look at and reinvigorating human capital, you know,
36:57 this is the time you need to look at your personal side, what are the capabilities you have not
37:02 captured, where the country is growing, how I can make my capabilities useful for the country's
37:07 growth, and where I can invest myself on my capacity, my capability, so that I can enhance
37:15 my earning capability, as well as value addition to the nation. And the last but not the least,
37:21 I mean, you know, government always says it's a minimum government and maximum governance.
37:25 And for your portfolio, you need to have a minimum maintenance and maximum funding,
37:30 so that only once in a year you do that monitoring. And this is we talk about this budget is inclusive
37:36 developmental growth for the nation, all that put together, including development of your personal
37:41 finances, where your financial well being can be much better as we go forward. I mean, one simple
37:47 question, but I gave a little longer answer. I'm sorry. That's okay.
37:50 I like his long answer because then we learn a lot from him.
37:58 Yeah. So Mr. Mashubala, what would you suggest, you know, the common man how to how should they
38:05 approach their budget for the next fiscal? Well, I said I like Mr. Rao's long answers that reduces
38:11 my work. Okay, all right. I'll come to that. Yeah. And he covered well, here is the way I would look
38:22 at it. Look at my GDP, my goals and dream plan. Look at my CEO, my contingency and emergency
38:33 option. Look at my IPO, my insurance and protection option. Look at my equal monthly investment.
38:48 Look at my GST, my goal saving target. Look at
38:55 my
39:03 wealth passing instruments, is nomination and will in place and have my GMT and your
39:10 goal review meeting. Look at me, not outside.
39:14 Right, that's very well put. Thank you. Thank you so much for your response.
39:20 Mr. Trivedi, would you like to add anything to this?
39:24 Yeah, I would, you know, look at the behavior of the finance minister in terms of the way the
39:31 budget is presented. And there are two very powerful lessons that I draw, which could be
39:37 applied to personal finance also. So let's say that the whole problem started as a global pandemic.
39:42 But while presenting the budget, the government's entire focus was on reviving the local economy.
39:50 So though the problem was outside, they look for a solution inside. And similarly, in our personal
39:57 finances also, whatever is happening in the external world, focus on the inside and manage
40:04 the finances. So that's number one. Number two, in a situation where the country faced one of the
40:12 worst economic crises in a few decades, the government has increased the spending, which
40:18 is actually a counter cyclical move. And this exactly is required when the chips are down,
40:25 you become growth oriented. And when everything is hunky dory, you hold back. So you play
40:32 counter cyclical whenever you are, you know, trying to revive your own self, because in a
40:38 rising market, we tend to get overconfident and make mistakes. You know, lower levels or in a
40:45 crisis situation, we tend to be fearful. It's exactly at that time that courage has to be
40:51 demonstrated. So these are two messages that don't focus externally, focus internally. And so long as
40:58 possible, can you play counter cyclical so that your emotional roller coaster is where the ride
41:03 becomes smoother. Amit Bhai and Professor Rao, does it remind you of olden times where in drought
41:11 situation, kings will kind of get well constructed roads, so economy revives?
41:19 Absolutely. So those are the wise kings, who used to do that. Those who are not wise and where the
41:27 kingdoms actually collapsed, were when in boom times, they would construct and in bad markets,
41:34 they would, you know, hold back, whereas the government has acted counter cyclical. And this
41:38 is precisely how I would also suggest people to behave.
41:43 Thank you. Thank you so much. I have some questions from the audience also. So Mr.
41:50 Satish Panchal from Mumbai, he wants to ask, is there any impact of the budget on debt mutual
41:59 funds? Are they going to be impacted? Not as a debt mutual fund, yes, the borrowings and all
42:09 the instruments and zero coupon and all but direct debt mutual fund, I don't think.
42:15 Okay, so there are a couple of things on the debt markets where, like Gaurav was mentioning,
42:20 there's nothing on the debt mutual funds directly, but something on the debt markets. One is
42:26 creation of an institution, which would be able to buy investment grade bonds from the market.
42:34 I think if that is implemented well, that should provide a good amount of liquidity,
42:40 because currently the debt market, the largest liquidity provider happens to be the debt mutual
42:45 funds. If an institution also comes up and provides liquidity, I think it augurs well for
42:52 debt mutual funds per se. That's number one. Number two on the debt markets, people are
43:00 concerned that while equity markets cheered, debt markets marginally went down because of the fear
43:06 of increased fiscal deficit, which would lead to increasing inflation, which would lead to rising
43:11 interest rates. But on the other hand, if the interest rates move up, then a large part of
43:20 savers, they can look forward to increased nominal interest earning, currently, which are at a low
43:28 level. So this is another development that I see. The third development, according to me, is
43:34 where a lot of infra projects would need a lot of funding. And that also means that the debt market
43:46 may become a little more vibrant, which would eventually augur well for the debt mutual fund
43:51 investors also. Mr. Rao, would you like to add anything?
43:56 No, investors need to take care of your investment tenure with the fund maturity
44:01 tenure. For example, I have a three months money put into your bucket, you have that discipline
44:05 so that you will not, in case tomorrow there is a spike in interest rates, little later in the six
44:10 months, you will not tend to lose much and you tend to gain there. That's where you need to look
44:15 at on the debt mutual fund side. But keep your rest allocation, that's the most important part.
44:20 Right. Thank you, Mr. Sudhakar, sorry, Mr. Nirav Shah from Ahmedabad. He's asking,
44:26 what is your view on short term and long term capital gains tax? And on similar note, Mr.
44:32 Sudhakar from Chennai wants to ask, should SIPs and mutual funds, should they have got an exemption
44:40 and you know, maybe something for future budgets? So these two questions maybe someone can take.
44:44 I don't think there is any change in the capital gains tax structure except making use upon power
44:52 with mutual funds, but that's not on capital gains. What is the question?
44:58 He's just asking, there are two questions basically, not related to this budget, I think
45:04 they're generally asking your view on short term and long term capital gains tax. And another
45:09 person is asking, should SIPs on mutual funds get tax exemption?
45:13 No, but SIP is just a way of investing. It's not something which is, I don't know why any
45:20 tax, but I don't know if Mr. Rao or Mr. Amitbhai wants to add something.
45:25 As regards the question on should mutual funds be exempted or given any preferential
45:33 treatment or SIP be given any preferential treatment, my sense is if we look at the
45:39 intent of the government to bring parity between let's say, employees provident fund contribution
45:47 and the NPS, earlier, the demand from the industry was to make NPS exempt, exempt, exempt.
45:55 Instead of that, the EPF where the contributions are on a higher side, that is taxed. So instead of,
46:03 you know, removing a tax and bring parity, the government chose to introduce a tax and bring
46:10 parity. If that is any indicator of the intent, then I don't think expecting any exemption on
46:19 mutual funds or SIP would cheer you up in any way or it may eventually disappoint you if you
46:27 are expecting that. That's my view.
46:29 Amitbhai's intent to hire with this employee provident fund earlier also and then there was a
46:35 big UN guy that never do.
46:37 It's whether it goes through or not is a different thing. I'm only talking about the intent.
46:44 Yes, the government is trying continuously.
46:47 The government is trying to expand the tax net. They're trying to cover everything under tax
46:55 and in such case, expecting additional exemptions may not be fruitful.
47:01 In fact, this EET proposal was at the time of Chidambaram. Every finance minister has
47:08 tried and they have failed. I hope she kind of brings in parity.
47:12 I agree with Gaurab. I like, you know, there is a, even on this EPF piece, it is painful for the
47:20 taxpayer to calculate what kind of tax, how much he's earning, because your EPF statement itself
47:25 will come a little later, how you can budget, then your accounting and advanced tax. It is
47:30 cumbersome for the people. On one side, we are making the life easy. Here, life is becoming
47:35 a little difficult. Hopefully, there could be some change. I mean, as an investor, I'm also
47:39 talking on that angle. And one good part on the short-term capital gains and long-term capital
47:44 gains is from the next year onwards, you are getting a pre-printed or pre-filled form your
47:55 getting it. I don't need to worry much about what is the short-term capital gains. I need to
47:59 calculate long-term capital gains. I need to calculate all my investments at the back end
48:04 is taken care. All that I need to do is I need to pay my tax rightly. I think, you know, my life is
48:09 becoming a little more easier for investors, I think, but only investors need to go back and
48:14 check whether, you know, they are given, whether their PAN number is right and whether their mobile
48:20 number is right. Otherwise, you may end up underpaying or overpaying. Just ensure that you,
48:25 let us go back and revisit. This is the time you need to go back and check where your investments,
48:31 put it in a map. And like, you know, earlier, Gaurabai's sessions, he used to tell about
48:36 goal planning, how you can put to the goals here. Just look at the broad framework of your
48:41 investments and look at what can come for the short-term, what can come to the long-term.
48:45 Then when the pre-filled form is coming, you can recheck it very nicely. And I personally feel you
48:50 need to have one personal financial advisor. Probably, you know, even for this, you need a
48:55 personal finance charitable accountant for it. Gaurabai, just a question when it comes to pre-filled,
49:01 say if I sold a property and paid brokerage, how would they pick it up?
49:11 There is a possibility. There is a possibility now, because if I can provide a TDS at the
49:16 beginning for the brokerage and which I need to pay while doing that, that is a possibility. Because
49:21 right now, if somebody is buying a house, like, you know, as if you are purchasing,
49:27 you need to pay the TDS first so that it is already accounted there.
49:30 My concern is that if I have incurred legitimate expense, how will government pick it up?
49:36 Yeah, that's the challenge is there. I mean, hopefully, the data which they are using with
49:40 the AI and ML, it is possible to the extent, maybe maximum percentage side,
49:45 yeah, some of the exceptions may happen. They are looking at making the likelihood.
49:49 But even if the forms are pre-filled, there would be a provision for various,
49:57 let's say, various allowable expenses, etc. They may keep that provision, which means
50:06 it's not the final amount that they would give, but large part of the work would be over. But just
50:12 to add to this point, this also means that though the form would be pre-filled, we'll have to do the
50:19 reconciliation at our end and ensure that nothing is missed out. In terms of income or expense?
50:26 Both.
50:32 Absolutely. Absolutely.
50:33 Maybe we can take one more question from the audience. Mr. Mohammed Basit from Dubai,
50:39 he wants to ask, how is the budget going to affect NRIs?
50:43 I don't know if Dubai has retirement funds and that parity that has been brought in for
50:51 the Baltic soil and street, but Ahmed, you want to add?
50:54 One of the provisions which I really appreciated was about the startups where the NRIs,
51:02 it's made easier for the NRIs to start 1% companies for the purpose of startup. I think
51:08 that's a big move and that should encourage a lot of NRIs to come back to India to
51:13 begin their second journey or whatever you may want to call it. That's one. But once again,
51:22 on the taxation front, since there is no change in the personal tax, the same applies to NRIs as well.
51:30 Right. One more thing, I don't know if Lukmani covers, but
51:35 for startups, the relaxation in 1% company rules is a very, very welcome.
51:44 Yeah.
51:45 I don't know if you all cover, but if you all cover, you must point out this particular aspect.
51:55 Right. All right. I think we are almost out of time. I'll ask one question before we conclude
52:01 this session to all of you. From this year's budget, if you were to take one single item
52:06 that stands out according to you, which one would it be? Maybe we can start with Mr. Mushruwala and
52:11 then move on to others. Why do you make me your opening
52:15 best friend? You are a good opening best friend. Because what you do is you say that other people's
52:22 long answers makes your job easier. So I'm making it a little difficult for you. So you can start
52:26 this time. They both are laughing and it's in my face. Honestly, because I face the investor more,
52:38 I'm not saying they are not. The relief in deposits withdrawals from the banks,
52:49 whereby up to your insurance limit, you can take out money is a big, big thing.
52:55 People were losing confidence in banking system. That can't happen. And we have had two instances,
53:06 PMC Bank and Lakshmi Vilas Bank. We can't have repeat of those.
53:16 Mr. Dhrivedi. So I would add to what Gaurav mentioned. According to me,
53:22 there are actually two announcements with the same theme, which is on the investor protection. So
53:27 allowing the withdrawal from the banks, even when the bank is in trouble or moratorium,
53:33 is a big, big move towards investor protection because a bank savings account or current account
53:38 or a bank deposit is not only supposed to be safe, it is also supposed to be liquid.
53:44 So the liquidity was missing in certain cases, we've seen in the past. The second one related
53:52 to investor protection is the proposal to set up an investor charter across financial products.
53:57 So if that is implemented well, then a lot of disputes can be resolved up easily and faster
54:04 for the small investors and investors can actually look forward to better times ahead.
54:09 Amit, are you referring to merging of various SEBI and...
54:15 No, I'm not referring to that various acts, but there is a separate proposal to set up an investor
54:20 charter across the entire financial market. So it's not only about securities market.
54:26 So that will bring in PFRD, IRD, IRDAs...
54:34 No, no, forget about regulators. It is about setting up an investor charter, which
54:39 encompasses the entire financial product suite for the investor. Now, whether the regulators are
54:46 covered or they are looking from the consumer side and setting up a consumer product investor
54:52 protection body. So those operational details will have to be worked out. Finance bill also doesn't
54:58 give a lot of details on that. So that's why I can't comment much on that. But at least
55:04 somebody's thinking that direction of investor protection at a bigger level, because there are
55:12 many cases where the product manufacturers are regulated, but the product sellers have a free
55:17 hand. That can't happen. Or in certain cases, the product manufacturers are protected so long as
55:24 they tick the right boxes and there's no liability. So these things cannot happen. Ultimately, the
55:30 investor needs to be protected, which brings in confidence and more confidence brings in more
55:34 money in the financial markets. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I miss that, but it's really, really
55:39 welcome. It's a big one, according to me. Mr. Rao, what do you think is the key takeaway from
55:44 this budget? This budget, whole budget is a takeaway for me. It is a budget, you know,
55:49 it's focused on inclusive development for an aspirational Indian. And when it comes to the
55:55 personal finance, the big takeaway for me is no tax surprise is a big surprise and you can be more
56:02 comfortable. You don't need to worry, recalibrate how much I need to pay, I need to look at.
56:07 And the last but not the least, when we used to meet a lot many investors on ground, especially
56:13 the senior citizens who are over 75, just they have retired and they have one account, they
56:18 doesn't need to file those returns. That's a big relief for them. It's a personally feel
56:24 is a big relief for them. But this whole budget is a holistic budget. Kudos to Honorable Finance
56:29 Minister. All right. Thank you so much. The point of TD is not being directed on dividend though,
56:37 because a lot of people were not in taxable limit. And then the dividend coming with TD is
56:45 engaging refunded. Right. Right. Thank you so much for your time. On that note, we conclude
56:52 today's session. I hope it was, you know, useful to all our viewers, they would get, you know,
56:57 insight about the budget and how to manage their personal finance, how to create their budget
57:02 for the next financial year. On that note, I say goodbye to all of you. It was a very,
57:07 you know, it was a great conversation. And it was a pleasure having you all here.
57:11 Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Thank you so much.
57:19 Thank you.
57:19 Thank you.

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