Who will become caretaker PM?
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00:00 Yes, tell us.
00:01 The one I saw, whose name was Bridge of Spies.
00:03 Okay.
00:04 In that, a spy was asked a question, that whatever happens to you, you are not worried
00:10 about the consequences?
00:11 Or, whatever is happening, why don't I worry?
00:14 So, he used to say, would it matter?
00:16 Okay.
00:17 Or would it make a difference?
00:18 Same goes with the Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam.
00:20 Oh, Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam.
00:21 Would it change anything in our lives?
00:23 But you see, how deeply the discussion has been going on for the past two days.
00:28 Raja Riaz Sahib has three names.
00:30 We are getting news that those three names are very important and they are firm.
00:34 Okay.
00:35 They are saying that the name I want to give as opposition leader is very strong and can
00:41 do a lot for the country.
00:43 And obviously, in such an environment, the election of a Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam is going
00:47 to happen.
00:48 We already know that the election will take place in the 90th day.
00:51 Then there will be new restrictions and delimitation.
00:53 Then already the election commission needs four to six months.
00:56 So, this matter has gone beyond November.
00:58 So, for a long time, you need a Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam.
01:01 Now, who is Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam?
01:03 We met once again with opposition leader Raja Riaz and the Mazir-e-Azam.
01:07 The names are under discussion but there has been no consensus.
01:11 Now, we will meet again and I hope that there will be consensus on the name of Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam.
01:17 The Mazir-e-Azam is hopeful that this matter will be resolved in a happy manner.
01:21 He says that the new Mardam has been appointed and he believes that the election of the new
01:26 Mardam will be under the Mardam's name.
01:28 And the election will be done by the election commission and not by the Nigrah government.
01:34 So, this is what he is saying.
01:35 Yes, let's see what is the situation of Raja Riaz.
01:38 From today, within three days, I and the Mazir-e-Azam will have a meeting for the Nigrah Mazir-e-Azam.
01:46 The first session has been held on the invitation of the Mazir-e-Azam.
01:50 I have given the names from my side and the Mazir-e-Azam has also given the names.
01:55 We have had a discussion on this for about an hour.
01:59 I have requested the Mazir-e-Azam to pay attention to my names and I will pay attention to your names.
02:05 This decision has been made.
02:06 There will be a session.
02:07 Until no name is finalized, we will not disclose any name.
02:12 There are six names in total which have come forward.
02:15 I and the Mazir-e-Azam are sure that I and the Mazir-e-Azam will agree on a name.
02:21 How will you agree?
02:23 What will be the procedure?
02:24 As we told you, Jalil Abbas Jilani is the most favorite.
02:29 But, at any time, anything can happen.
02:32 Hafiz Sheikh is also in the race.
02:34 But, now it is being said that not as the caretaker prime minister but as the caretaker finance minister.
02:41 There are so many things and I don't know how many people have been cleared.
02:47 I don't know how Sadat Sanjani came forward.
02:50 He is the chairman of the senate.
02:52 He is a very interesting person.
02:55 Let's talk about him.
02:56 Senior journalist Athar Kazmi is with us.
03:00 Good morning.
03:02 What do you think about the meaningful discussion between the opposition leader and the Mazir-e-Azam?
03:13 And, what do you think?
03:15 Who will be the head of Jalil Abbas Jilani and Hafiz Sheikh?
03:22 We have seen a lot of meaningful discussion before this meeting.
03:28 We met in Dubai, Pakistan Muslim League Noon, Pakistan People's Party and JUIF.
03:39 The more meaningful opposition Raja Riaz has done in this parliament, the more meaningful this discussion is.
03:47 I will add one thing.
03:50 When we used to watch WWE, we used to think that it is for real.
03:56 We used to say that Raja Riaz is dead.
04:00 I don't know why that vibe came.
04:02 I am not sure whether it is right or wrong.
04:04 But, I got that feeling.
04:06 But, he is dead.
04:09 You may have got the feeling that Raja Riaz is dead.
04:12 He said that he will meet again.
04:15 As far as the names are concerned, I was watching Saira Bano yesterday.
04:20 She said that a nickname has come up.
04:22 The real name has not come up.
04:23 But, the two names that you have given, I think they are serious names.
04:31 Any of them can be a personality.
04:34 Because, if we see the kind of law that was created before the arrival of the Minister of Defense,
04:40 that the government will be able to make agreements with the international institutions.
04:45 So, they will try to bring a personality who has international exposure.
04:51 So, Raja Riaz will not be imported?
04:54 Yes.
04:55 So, he will be dead this time?
04:57 Yes, yes.
04:58 Whatever Raja Riaz is saying, you should keep it in your mind.
05:03 It will be according to that.
05:04 I have already said that the system should go in this direction.
05:08 The Raja Riaz who will be standing here, the line will be drawn from there.
05:11 And, the matter will go ahead from there.
05:13 I was just explaining that you had given your name.
05:16 I was promoting him at various places.
05:18 What happened to that?
05:20 I had given my name as well.
05:21 I did not get acceptance from Sadaf.
05:23 So, the rest is up to God.
05:25 As far as my name is concerned, Mr. Ishfaq, I am sitting in your program.
05:30 I have still kept my phone on.
05:32 I have not turned it off.
05:34 I still hope that I will get a call from Raja Riaz at any time.
05:37 Who knows, he might give my name.
05:39 But, the two names that you have told, these two names are very important.
05:44 As I said earlier, the law was made and these two personalities have a lot of exposure at the international level.
05:50 They understand the American system.
05:52 They deal with the international organizations.
05:56 Then, Mr. Afeez Sheikh has his own background.
05:59 Mr. Jilani has his own background.
06:01 So, I think these two are strong candidates.
06:04 But, until the final name is not revealed, to be honest, this is not the situation.
06:09 You think and it is considered that the person should be brought who is internationally well connected.
06:14 Not a person who is connected here in the masses.
06:17 Because, in the future, it can be considered on the same formula.
06:20 Exactly.
06:21 It will be tried to bring such a person who is internationally connected.
06:26 The relationship of the public, whatever will be accepted by the public,
06:30 Nowadays, no one is accepted in Pakistan.
06:32 Because, when you take the elections forward internationally, you will be pressured.
06:38 If you take the elections forward and the elections are not on time,
06:42 then at least there should be such a person who is presentable.
06:45 Who is known internationally, who can talk, who has a soft image.
06:52 Then, he will have a strong character.
06:55 So, he will be acceptable to everyone.
06:56 Athar, tell me, yesterday, the Prime Minister said,
06:59 Now, when the Prime Minister is saying, then there will be some weight on this.
07:03 His brother, Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif, who is the head of the Muslim League,
07:08 will come next month, in September.
07:10 So, what is the reason that he did not come during his brother's government?
07:14 Now, he will come in a Nigrah set-up.
07:16 So, will the situation be more difficult for him to come during that time?
07:20 Look, this is the thing that the government personality does again and again.
07:24 Earlier, we were told that he is coming very soon.
07:26 But, this is a very important question that it is the government of his brother.
07:30 It is such a government in which he is all-in-all.
07:33 The caretaker set-up in Punjab, there is no opposition to him there either.
07:37 If he had come there, he would not have had any issue.
07:39 But, despite that, he did not come.
07:41 Now, he says again and again in September, and the government personality also says that,
07:44 we are waiting for the Chief Justice to leave.
07:48 So, when the next Chief Justice will come, Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib, then Mian Sahib will return.
07:53 In my opinion, this is such a statement that is not correct.
07:57 In a way, you are trying to make the next Chief Justice controversial before he comes.
08:03 The former government personality is now dead.
08:05 And this thing can fall on his neck.
08:07 Yes, his neck. Absolutely. I am coming to that.
08:10 He is giving this impression that if he comes, he will give relief to Mian Sahib.
08:14 You are making him controversial.
08:16 The problem is that whoever will be the Moses Judge, whether the current Chief Justice or the next,
08:21 all the judges make decisions according to the law.
08:25 They do not make decisions based on the law.
08:27 So, this is a very problematic statement of his,
08:29 because of which, the institutions are also being tried to make controversial.
08:33 And this is happening in KP.
08:35 There were no elections in KP, Punjab.
08:38 We saw that, then its various explanations were made.
08:41 Although, there was also a violation of the law.
08:43 Now, there is a need for a supervisory government there.
08:47 There, resignations have been asked.
08:49 So, will we see such exercises happening in other provinces as well?
08:55 What should be the result of this, Athar?
08:57 At present, the constitution of your country is in a state of a state of a state.
09:04 And I am saying this very seriously.
09:06 What they have done, whether it is in the context of a supervisory set-up,
09:10 or whether it is their 16-month rule,
09:12 what they have done with the constitution,
09:14 what basic rights are there in the constitution,
09:17 what they have done with them,
09:19 because of which, this whole system, this whole system,
09:21 which is our democratic system,
09:23 has gone into a kind of coma.
09:25 Now, a lot has to be done to revive it.
09:28 Have we ever seen such a situation?
09:31 That, in the context of a supervisory government,
09:33 the political parties are first claiming that,
09:35 Sir, three of us are ours, four of us are theirs.
09:37 And now, they are saying that,
09:38 many of them are being removed from the position,
09:40 new ministers will come.
09:41 This is the kind of joke that is happening with our system,
09:43 which we have not seen before.
09:45 Mr. Kundi, tell me one thing,
09:47 that a lot is happening right now,
09:49 which was not seen before.
09:51 But, there is one question,
09:53 the government has gone,
09:55 and now, a supervisory government will come.
09:57 So, the question that arises after that is,
09:59 the political parties that are present right now,
10:01 on the ground, on the battlefield,
10:03 are they in a position to show their faces in front of the public,
10:06 on the basis of this 16-month rule,
10:08 and demand a vote from them?
10:11 Yesterday, Mr. Faisal Kareem Kundi was saying that,
10:13 yes, the People's Party is ready.
10:15 What is your assessment of these parties?
10:17 Look, if you look at the 16-month rule,
10:22 if you look at the economic front,
10:24 the way inflation has increased,
10:26 it has increased by 200% since they have come into power.
10:30 The prices, whether it is utility bills,
10:33 or the smuggling of petroleum,
10:35 these are all things that directly affect the public.
10:40 The economic position of the public right now,
10:43 is not hidden from anyone.
10:45 In such circumstances, in the elections,
10:47 will the public vote for them?
10:49 This is the fundamental thing, Mr. Ishfaq,
10:51 because of which there were no elections in two provinces.
10:54 Because of which, in two provinces,
10:56 despite clear legal and judicial orders,
11:00 the People's Party opposed,
11:02 the Noon League opposed,
11:04 all the political parties that are present,
11:06 the Mojahedin, the Jamaat, the Qaeda.
11:08 Is it more difficult to delay the elections,
11:10 according to your experience,
11:12 or to manage them?
11:14 No, if you delay it,
11:18 it is not difficult at all,
11:20 because the rule,
11:22 the rule of law,
11:24 you cannot do this.
11:26 Secondly, the court tells you that you cannot do this.
11:28 So, both of these things,
11:30 they have crossed the barrier.
11:32 So, there is no problem in delaying.
11:34 The problem is to manage.
11:36 How will we vote?
11:38 How will we win?
11:40 As long as, the rulers wished,
11:42 that the political opposition,
11:44 the Jamaat,
11:46 should not go to the elections
11:48 until they become weak.
11:50 And I think, if the current
11:52 governance setup is also tried to delay,
11:54 then this will be the fundamental reason for it.
11:56 So, Atharvas Mukhtar,
11:58 the Supreme Court Review of Judgments and Orders Act
12:00 will be announced.
12:02 So, what implications can this have?
12:04 What are the political cases
12:06 that have been filed in the court?
12:08 Look, the issue is that
12:10 our judicial system needs a lot of reforms.
12:12 If these procedures,
12:14 whatever this act is,
12:16 if there is any change in it,
12:18 if there is anything,
12:20 then I think,
12:22 if it is for the betterment,
12:24 then it is fine, we will accept it.
12:26 But the issue is that here,
12:28 the law is made for a specific time,
12:30 for specific personalities.
12:32 Because of that,
12:34 there are problems and because of that,
12:36 all political cases go to the courts.
12:38 Although it is unfortunate,
12:40 these decisions should not be made in the courts,
12:42 but was the role of the Parliament
12:44 such that these things do not go there?
12:46 Now, whatever the court decision will be,
12:48 it will definitely be in accordance with the law.
12:50 We will accept it as per our wish.
12:52 Thank you so much.
12:54 Atharvas was also with us,
12:56 informing us of his opinion.
12:58 The political scenario is this,
13:00 that if the Prime Minister's decision is made,
13:02 who will be the next Prime Minister?
13:04 Who will be the next Prime Minister?
13:06 And what will change in our lives,
13:08 in the lives of the people,
13:10 what will be the difference?
13:12 If elections are held,
13:14 will the cost of living decrease?
13:16 A pessimistic approach is also there,
13:18 what should be done?
13:20 How to improve our living conditions?
13:22 What can be done?