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00:00 Citizens of the Reject Nation, we are here to watch Ahsoka episode Dose today.
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00:09 Yeah, I'm so good.
00:11 Okay.
00:12 It's episode two.
00:16 Follow it up.
00:16 It's Attack of the...
00:19 The clones.
00:20 Of the...
00:21 What?
00:22 What are we doing?
00:23 The clan ret.
00:24 Attack of the...
00:24 Oh god.
00:25 This is not the intro I wanted it to be.
00:27 This is not the intro.
00:28 This is not the intro you're looking for.
00:29 This is not the intro you're looking for.
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00:51 Let's get to it.
00:51 I'm just so anxious.
00:52 But you and I both know Sabine gives you the best chance of reading that message.
00:59 That just looks like a different galaxy.
01:00 The dread.
01:10 You're annoying me.
01:17 So you went to the right person?
01:25 Hmm.
01:27 Formidable droids.
01:36 Clearly.
01:41 I could hear Anakin saying that to her.
01:44 Yeah.
01:44 Just, if you're gonna stab, you have to roll your eyes at the same time.
01:51 This is such a vibe.
01:59 I know, the haunting samurai affect is so cool.
02:02 His presence is extraordinary.
02:06 Place the plan.
02:08 Teller, I believe we have located the reflex point on Cetos.
02:14 Damn, they are steps ahead.
02:19 They are surrounded by giant taser liths.
02:23 Such a rebel conundrum.
02:26 Pergil, pergil, pergil.
02:28 For real?
02:29 Pergil.
02:29 Toil and trouble.
02:33 Double, double.
02:34 He doesn't seem to fear the pergil in that moment.
02:36 Well, the pergil would be the way to travel from that destination.
02:39 As if there's a hyperspace line.
02:41 Yeah.
02:41 But we've never left the galaxy before.
02:43 You and the buddy.
02:50 Oh, there we go.
03:03 Thanks for the heads up.
03:06 Oh, smart.
03:07 She asked earlier how many droids there were.
03:09 She still got it.
03:11 Oh, very attention to detail of how heavy it felt.
03:17 Pick up an arm or leg and it just keeps coming.
03:22 Of the humanity.
03:25 You can recover the droid's memory.
03:28 And find out where it came from.
03:30 Very clever.
03:31 Perhaps we should perform this operation somewhere else.
03:35 I say go for it.
03:36 Because you're a hologram.
03:39 Whoa.
03:45 The thing like this in the movie Alien 3.
03:47 It's overheating.
03:48 Switch it off.
03:49 Not yet.
03:50 Come on.
03:56 Hera just watches all of her friends blow up.
03:58 You got it.
04:06 This droid came here from Corellia.
04:08 Okay.
04:08 The New Republic shipyard?
04:11 Corellian stuff.
04:12 Morgan Elsbeth had factories on Corellia.
04:14 Her Imperial operation should have been dismantled after the rebellion.
04:18 Unless...
04:18 Let's get going.
04:19 You need to recover.
04:20 I'm fine.
04:21 Only a flesh wound.
04:24 Let them have a scene.
04:27 You did good.
04:29 Tell that to her.
04:35 We need to help each other.
04:36 You heard her.
04:37 She doesn't want my help.
04:38 Yes, she does.
04:38 She can be a little stubborn too.
04:43 Now get some rest.
04:44 You're gonna need it.
04:47 Hera's such a special character.
04:48 Hera's become a full-blown general.
04:51 Meanwhile...
05:00 Do some witch magic.
05:01 Let's get some green flames going.
05:02 Oh man, I would love to see some of that in live action.
05:05 Get some green flames.
05:06 Witchcraft.
05:07 But does she possess it or is she just a descendant of it?
05:13 This place was not built by the Jedi.
05:14 Whose work is it?
05:15 An ancient people from a distant galaxy.
05:19 Fascinating.
05:21 Would you like to see it?
05:23 Yes.
05:24 Yeah.
05:24 If this is what I think it is...
05:26 I think this may be the beginning of the Gris.
05:28 Oh really?
05:29 Someone's getting circumcised?
05:31 Green.
05:31 Oh.
05:32 Sweet.
05:39 Just once in this life I want to stand inside of a hologram orb.
05:48 I mean this is why Thrawn joined the Empire.
05:50 He needed allies.
05:51 He feared this.
05:52 Oh.
05:58 Yeah, those are Pergil.
06:02 Target acquired.
06:03 That is why Grand Admiral Thrawn is banished.
06:07 Wow.
06:09 Thrawn calls to you.
06:10 Across time and space.
06:14 We're gonna be going to some unknown regions.
06:16 The Eye of Sion is on its way here.
06:20 Eye of Sion.
06:21 Marok will complete his task.
06:23 See that he does?
06:26 Why are they working with it?
06:27 Like what's their motivation?
06:28 Not the first Jedi to veer off course.
06:31 Count Dooku had noble intentions once.
06:33 What happens when you find Thrawn?
06:34 For some, war.
06:36 For others...
06:36 Hope.
06:38 New beginning.
06:39 New beginning.
06:39 Ah.
06:40 And for us...
06:42 Power.
06:43 Power.
06:45 This is a fascinating setup.
06:47 I mean if you were to feel so helpless during Order 66...
06:51 Power.
06:51 Never feel helpless again.
06:55 This was always one of my...
06:56 Oh wait a second.
06:56 That's uh...
07:00 From the Ghost.
07:02 Isn't that Hera's ship?
07:02 Yes, it's the little ship that's part of the Ghost.
07:06 Yeah.
07:07 We'd appreciate a look at her former facilities and operations.
07:09 Well, I am quite busy at the moment.
07:12 Clearly.
07:12 I could make this a more formal inspection if you'd like.
07:15 That won't be necessary, General.
07:17 Please, this way.
07:18 Man, New Republic bureaucracy.
07:24 Chubby!
07:24 That's reassuring.
07:33 Dark Side.
07:47 Long time ago in a capitalist hellscape far away.
07:50 Late stage capitalism at its finest, boys.
07:53 I was wondering if you'd consider bringing her back on as your apprentice.
07:56 Uh-huh.
07:59 No, no, no, no, no, no.
08:01 Maybe we're both past that.
08:03 I think she could use some structure.
08:04 Ahsoka you.
08:05 Ahsoka you.
08:06 You could use a little bit of your old spunk.
08:10 What makes someone ready?
08:11 You just know.
08:14 Like love.
08:16 So do they.
08:18 I love you too, Greg.
08:20 Yeah.
08:23 I know.
08:23 Whoa.
08:25 Anyone could get stabbed with a lightsaber.
08:30 It's like one of those old shots.
08:31 It's like the first one to survive.
08:33 Hilarious.
08:33 I don't know.
08:35 There was that one person in Obi-Wan.
08:36 I don't know who you're talking about.
08:38 I don't want to talk about that.
08:42 I see you still have your lightsaber.
08:45 Ezra's lightsaber.
08:45 He passed it on to you.
08:49 You have since made your own modifications.
08:51 So it is now your lightsaber.
08:54 Hey, if Hu Ying says so, it's yours.
08:55 Have you kept up with your training?
08:57 Obviously not.
08:59 Well, perhaps it is time to begin again.
09:01 What about everyone's on this mission?
09:04 She quit on me.
09:05 The past is the past.
09:07 Move forward.
09:08 Let it die.
09:09 Kill it if you have to.
09:10 General Sindhula thought your insights would be valuable.
09:13 And Lady Tano agreed.
09:15 This feels so much more like a Sabine show.
09:18 You have never indicated that you wanted to come back.
09:20 Forgot how annoying you are.
09:21 Logical.
09:23 Don't worry, you're a great middleman.
09:26 I never had the talent, the abilities.
09:28 Not like Ezra.
09:29 That much is true.
09:31 I have known many Padawans over the centuries.
09:35 Your aptitude for the force would fall short of them all.
09:38 The only time you are wasting is your own.
09:50 I get it, it's Rebels music.
09:51 Our board and primary investors have first look at all unique hardware,
09:55 its price point and distribution.
09:56 Is that a hyperdrive core?
09:58 Oh man.
09:59 What class of starship are they for?
10:00 Uh, let's see.
10:03 Uh oh.
10:06 Classified.
10:06 I'm a general, nothing's classified to me.
10:10 Hoo hoo.
10:11 I cannot unseal the document without authorization.
10:13 It's above your pay grade.
10:14 Well then I'm authorizing it.
10:16 I'm not sure you can.
10:17 What the hell?
10:18 What are the types of droids?
10:19 Do you have an operation here?
10:20 No HK class.
10:21 Assassin droid.
10:23 I should think not.
10:24 I have seen such a droid.
10:26 I have to book inventory on arriving transports.
10:30 Oh he knows something.
10:31 Where is this droid now?
10:32 I believe it is departing on that transport.
10:35 Oh great.
10:37 Well stop it.
10:38 I can't do that general.
10:40 They've been cleared for departure.
10:41 No, stop him.
10:43 For the Empire!
10:44 Quick draw.
10:45 Whoa!
10:45 Did he just lose an arm?
10:47 Yeah, sure did.
10:49 Oh!
10:49 Yeah, we don't worry about the Imperial sympathizers.
10:54 We don't worry about loyalty here.
10:57 Yeah.
10:57 God damn Ahsoka.
10:58 Oh god damn Ahsoka.
10:59 The entrances you make.
11:01 Exits really.
11:02 Extrances.
11:03 Just throw your lightsaber.
11:04 Oh.
11:08 Do a ray.
11:10 Is that an Inquisitor?
11:12 A former Inquisitor?
11:13 He's got an Inquisitor and a lightsaber.
11:14 Yeah, that's uh.
11:15 He was with them earlier.
11:17 With Baelin and them earlier.
11:19 Did he have the lightsaber out?
11:21 It looked like half a lightsaber held up an Inquisitor.
11:24 And that is definitively a red lightsaber.
11:25 Got these money shots.
11:32 Money shots, man.
11:34 Jeez, look at that stance.
11:37 Ah, you punk.
11:41 Warm up, Brown.
11:42 Cool.
11:47 JJ!
11:47 Who are you?
11:52 That is a great question.
11:55 Gateway to the Mind's Eye.
11:57 This is General Sendula.
11:58 I order you to stand down and return to port immediately.
12:01 Forget to see Sendula.
12:05 Do some piloting in live action.
12:15 Right now would be a good time to bring in the ghost.
12:17 Chopper.
12:19 Keep your lid on, Chop.
12:22 Chop.
12:23 Dang.
12:29 That's for Sabine.
12:39 Yeah, oh sweet.
12:41 Nice.
12:43 I wonder if this is a familiar face.
12:45 Oh, okay.
12:48 Yeah, that's definitely...
12:49 Whoa, whoa!
12:51 Jesus.
12:51 Such a cool shot.
12:55 That's amazing.
13:03 Can't just shoot it down, it would crash into the port city.
13:07 Collateral damage.
13:09 And don't miss this time.
13:12 Sssssss.
13:13 I never miss.
13:16 Yeah, who is this guy?
13:21 Why does he only have armor on his upper half?
13:26 What a great aerial sequence.
13:31 What a great like, way to do a locked off shot but with a subject.
13:36 No, I did not go through your stuff.
13:37 Sssss.
13:38 Did you look under the backup battery?
13:40 What?
13:41 Oh.
13:42 Found it.
13:46 Oh.
13:49 Wow.
13:50 Jeez, who is this dude?
13:58 Oh my goodness.
14:02 Jesus.
14:03 Just a whole bunch.
14:10 What?
14:11 What a boss.
14:13 Just all the alliances on this team here.
14:15 You got witch, you got some middle ground Jedi stuff.
14:19 It's all the remnants.
14:22 Former Inquisitor.
14:23 All the malevolent remnants.
14:24 Go.
14:32 Yeah, chopper.
14:36 Nice.
14:39 Way to go, chopper.
14:40 Good work, chop.
14:41 You got him.
14:42 Tell me you have good news.
14:48 We got a tracking device on that transport.
14:50 All right then.
14:50 Game on.
14:52 All right, all right, all right.
14:54 Is there a reason Dawson does play her a lot more stoic?
14:56 I hope that changes as we make progress here.
14:59 Telling you Sabine is going to bring back some of that Moxie.
15:02 I mean she's aged though, you know.
15:04 But she's still Ahsoka.
15:05 But I'm justifying, you know.
15:06 Just in case they don't give me the ball.
15:09 Defending, you know.
15:10 Until we're at the last episode.
15:11 I'm surprised they haven't touched the dark saber at all yet.
15:17 What does it matter?
15:18 It's broken now.
15:19 Sad.
15:21 She's got the same path as Grogu.
15:29 My Amanda Lorien, I'm my Jedi.
15:33 Gonna go drop her off with Luke.
15:35 During her training with Kanan,
15:37 because she wasn't the strongest with the force,
15:39 he had her use these traditional Mandalorian things to compensate.
15:43 I hope that we see some of that.
15:44 Put it on.
15:47 Oh, sick.
15:52 This is the way.
15:53 Oh, she's gonna cut her hair.
15:56 Action hero cutting hair.
15:59 And give herself a perfect bob.
16:00 Cut it without looking in the mirror.
16:01 Yeah.
16:02 That's what I'm talking about.
16:03 Oh.
16:04 The classics of being here.
16:10 Yeah.
16:10 She leaves the hair on the ground.
16:17 How can they still be loyal to the Empire?
16:18 It's not loyalty.
16:22 It's greed.
16:23 It's greed.
16:24 I'm on a roll.
16:27 You're on a roll.
16:28 It's almost like there's reoccurring themes that are always happening in Star Wars.
16:32 I don't know what you're talking about.
16:33 Oh.
16:39 Yeah, classic.
16:40 I'm ready.
16:40 Smile.
16:46 Take it.
16:48 I know.
16:49 Gotta get you a big chair to sit on now.
16:56 Oh, is this the ending of Rebels?
17:03 Is that what we're doing right now?
17:04 Oh.
17:09 I believe it may be exactly that.
17:11 Yeah, we're redoing it.
17:12 She's not draped in white.
17:19 Unless that already happened.
17:22 But they're starting over again.
17:24 This is poetry.
17:25 It rhymes.
17:26 Does it?
17:28 Or is it just an homage to it?
17:32 Yeah.
17:32 Nice haircut.
17:34 Yeah.
17:37 More me.
17:38 You got perfect layers with that one knife swipe.
17:42 It's crazy.
17:43 We better get moving.
17:44 To Cetus.
17:48 What is the scope of these things?
17:57 The lighting and everything is beautiful.
18:00 Take us out.
18:02 Not alone.
18:05 Oh.
18:05 I guess.
18:11 Booyah.
18:11 Maybe they're just redefining what it means to be a Jedi.
18:18 Oh, sick.
18:21 Look at this super hyperspace.
18:23 Whoa.
18:25 Intergalactic hyperspace drive.
18:27 It's so freaking ominous.
18:34 Soon the Eye of Sion will be complete and we shall deliver Grand Admiral Thrawn.
18:39 The Eye of Sauron.
18:40 The appearance of Ahsoka Tano and Corellia troubles you.
18:43 It does.
18:45 He has history with her.
18:46 Her presence in the force is elusive, yet her determination is vivid.
18:52 To kill her would be a shame.
18:56 There are so few Jedi left.
18:59 What's your game, man?
19:00 Truth.
19:01 I really love the look of this show.
19:07 And the way the hologram had that kind of ripple effect happening.
19:12 Yeah, it's like it's actual particulate kind of percolating.
19:15 Seth Green.
19:18 Robot chicken makes sense animation.
19:21 I don't think it's perfect.
19:22 Pick those nits.
19:23 Oh yeah, you know, I'll be picking those nits.
19:25 Gotta get every part of the Star Wars market.
19:27 Take it away, Jon.
19:28 Ah, this is quite enjoyable.
19:31 I have been very much enjoying the...
19:33 It makes sense as to why they put these two episodes out in tandem.
19:36 It does feel like, yeah, this is the act, the first act of the journey.
19:40 We're culminating everything.
19:41 We've set all the pieces, but it just maintained at least through these two episodes,
19:45 through two different directors and whatnot,
19:47 it just has maintained this very assured confidence, steadiness of hand.
19:52 And yeah, I really enjoy the space that they communicate all this stuff with.
19:58 They give everything its time and you're able to kind of get pulled into,
20:03 yeah, that there is something like melancholy at the core
20:06 and there's like a pall hanging over our main Rebels crew.
20:10 And then you also have this sort of like very at ease, dark presence,
20:14 especially with Baelin.
20:17 What's his name? Bones or something?
20:19 Baelin Hell.
20:20 Something.
20:21 Skull. Skull.
20:22 There you go. Baelin Skull.
20:23 There you go.
20:23 When in doubt, just go with the first name.
20:26 Yes, Baelin.
20:28 Yeah, I don't know.
20:29 It still feels like this momentous kind of neck and neck,
20:34 you know, hunt, cat and mouse almost, but also just whilst taking its time.
20:41 I think that's just a testament to how well this has been kind of paced and conceived,
20:45 is that it never feels rushed, but it also feels like it's fully able to spread out
20:51 and take its time without indulging too heavily in that.
20:54 Yeah.
20:56 Mikael, this is the beginning of something that I am ready for.
21:07 It's the first time in like Star Wars content since I was a kid that I genuinely am like,
21:16 I have no idea.
21:20 And yet I have so many ideas at the same time.
21:23 And it's gotten my imagination going in the most marvelous and wonderful of ways.
21:29 I think it's brilliant to take this adventure to a different galaxy.
21:33 I think it's brilliant to have antagonists like Baelin who represent a new type of nuanced villain.
21:44 And I think that this entire series, everything we know about Thrawn,
21:51 is he is a very interesting nuanced villain in that their intentions and their actions
21:58 and where our characters fit into this narrative.
22:01 We're about to experience like, for the first time, not just like,
22:07 "Oh, good guy, good guy, bad guy, bad guy."
22:10 I think we're about to see something genuinely grey in nature.
22:17 And I say that with like, fear and hesitation,
22:20 because every time we thought we were going to get that,
22:22 they always go back to what's comfortable.
22:25 I think this setup is great.
22:28 I am glad that we are going to leave behind the very kind of muddled storytelling that is
22:37 the New Republic and all of that.
22:38 I feel like they did a nice little taste that gave us what we needed.
22:41 And now we're going somewhere completely new.
22:44 I think what's interesting is there's a couple of connective threads
22:47 that I'm really excited to pull on in the next episode.
22:50 I'm really interested to see who is that Inquisitor?
22:53 At the end of the Empire, particularly as The Last of the Jedi were really kind of
23:01 officially wiped out, it was kind of alluded to that Palpatine removed the Inquisitors.
23:10 But you also have all these examples of children who are Force-sensitive being kidnapped.
23:14 I wonder if some of the characters referenced in animated form...
23:21 I'm just so curious who that Inquisitor is.
23:26 And I feel like it has to be somebody based upon the way in which they built him up.
23:31 But also what an interesting alliance.
23:35 And I think that also kind of sets up an interesting...
23:37 Who are the other characters that might come out of the woodworks?
23:42 I didn't think it at the beginning of this and with all the materials that came out.
23:47 But part of me really wonders, is there going to be a connection to Cal Kestis and that storyline?
23:53 And in a way, if we were to move and have a whole separate narrative that exists in another galaxy,
23:58 that can do its own thing without undermining what happens in the sequel trilogy
24:04 and without trying to backtrack on what Disney did.
24:06 And I kind of love that.
24:08 That's a good place for all the great characters that we love, that we wish
24:11 and probably should have been a big part of the sequel trilogy,
24:15 now have the opportunity to have their own story in a new galaxy
24:19 where it's a complete, clean, narrative, fresh start.
24:22 I think this is the beginning of something much bigger for Star Wars.
24:26 I still feel like they were building to the development of the First Order though,
24:30 via the Mandalorian and all that.
24:32 Well, and I think that that will be part of it.
24:34 But the threat that we have looming here strikes me as much scarier than Palpatine
24:41 and the New Order and all that sort of, you know.
24:44 And like not to get too deep into to canon and, you know, this, that and the other thing,
24:51 but like Thrawn's biggest fear and the reason that he joined the Empire
24:58 was to recruit an ally that could help the Chiss Ascendancy fight
25:04 an enemy that is beyond anything that we can comprehend.
25:09 Yeah.
25:10 So it seems like what he's forming here are not necessarily pawns or henchmen.
25:16 It seems like he's forming alliances.
25:17 He's got a witch on his hands.
25:18 He's got Jedis on his hands.
25:19 He's got an Inquisitor on his hands.
25:21 Which is why I think our big reveal is going to be that Ezra,
25:24 this Jedi that we've been looking forward to meeting in live action.
25:28 Might be actually part of the team.
25:30 And I think that maybe Ahsoka and company might find themselves joining that alliance,
25:36 which represents something so unique and interesting to Star Wars,
25:41 where now they're not just kind of defending their own isolated interest within the galaxy,
25:46 but together they're defending the galaxy.
25:49 I don't know.
25:49 I feel like, I think that might be too big of a flip to do, you know,
25:53 like at the end of the day, while Thrawn always has been,
25:56 Thrawn's one of those characters,
25:57 so I see people can defend going, "He's not exactly a villain."
26:02 I'm like, "Well, you know, he could have a lot of good intentions,
26:04 but at the end of the day, the guy's a villain."
26:05 Like he is a villain at the end of the day.
26:07 But he, there's a...
26:09 He's pretty fucked up.
26:10 No, he has.
26:11 I would argue he was justified.
26:14 Well, I mean, all right.
26:15 So you guys have seen Oppenheimer.
26:17 Yeah, let's go that route.
26:20 No, no, I'm serious.
26:21 Let's go that route.
26:22 I mean, a lot of the decisions that Thrawn makes and that he's done
26:27 is because he understands that his people are facing extinction.
26:31 Throughout Rebels, for instance, when he and Hera really went face to face,
26:37 his respect and admiration for her culture
26:41 and preserving and protecting that history,
26:43 that's not a villain attitude.
26:46 That's somebody that understands that he needs to do what he needs to do
26:50 in order to save his people,
26:51 but he doesn't want to erase other cultures and history.
26:54 He never ran well with the other Imperials for a reason.
26:59 And we even saw that a little bit in The Mandalorian
27:02 as they're like, "Well, Thrawn..."
27:03 There are some that admire him and love him,
27:06 but he's a complex blue fella.
27:10 I will give all those complexities.
27:12 At the end of the day, he always aligned with the Empire.
27:15 Because the Empire was the only force in the galaxy
27:19 strong enough to stop an impending threat.
27:21 You can justify it however you want.
27:23 At the end of the day, he still worked for the Empire.
27:24 We worked with the Soviets during World War II, Greg.
27:27 It's not the same thing.
27:28 Yeah, but we hid a lot of stuff from them
27:30 and we side-eyed them every step of the way.
27:32 And then we hired the Nazis to help build spaceships
27:36 because our moral principles are fluid.
27:39 I hope that as Star Wars fans,
27:46 that we are given those sorts of interesting dilemmas of characters.
27:51 Because it is really, really frustrating
27:53 when somebody comes and they've got horns on their heads,
27:56 and they've got red and black faces,
27:58 and they're terrifying looking with their yellow eyes.
28:00 They're real angry.
28:02 I'd say it's the same way of how you can understand
28:04 the motives of Thanos,
28:05 but at the end of the day, the guy's a villain.
28:07 Nah, dude, Thanos is right.
28:08 I mean, Thanos is...
28:10 I'm not going to defend Thanos in that.
28:14 I'm going to defend the purple guy.
28:16 All right.
28:17 Thrawn, if I'm remembering correctly, was not for the Death Star.
28:21 He had some other...
28:23 Look at the last time we saw it.
28:24 He had some good policies.
28:25 Let's look at the last time we saw Thrawn.
28:27 In order to get Ezra,
28:29 he just started annihilating people on Lothal
28:31 in order just to make a point to lure out innocent civilians.
28:35 Is America a good country?
28:37 What are you making about that?
28:40 I'm talking about Thrawn.
28:41 Do you want to talk about Agent Orange?
28:44 The thing is, historically speaking,
28:46 I'm not saying he's a good guy,
28:49 but I'm saying that in his mind,
28:52 his ends justify the means.
28:54 What's better, sacrificing the few for the many?
28:57 They do.
28:57 It's the trolley problem.
28:59 I think they do.
29:00 I think the scary part is when someone can see that he is...
29:04 When we go, he's actually not...
29:08 I think there is a line that has to be drawn
29:11 when you can see that someone at the end of the day
29:14 does skew towards the villainy.
29:15 And I think if you lose sight of that line,
29:18 that's where it can get dangerous.
29:20 I think the audience needing to reconcile that is an epic challenge.
29:23 I think it's a more interesting debate.
29:25 Yeah.
29:25 Oh, that's a much more interesting debate.
29:26 What happens when we get there and then it's like,
29:28 "Oh man, if our characters don't grin and bear it
29:33 and deal with the fact that these guys are trying to protect the galaxy."
29:37 Well, I think...
29:39 No, I mean, even with Thrawn,
29:41 there's something that separates him.
29:42 He does, unlike a Vader or something who can disregard life,
29:49 there's a preciousness he can hold to history and life.
29:53 So he does separate and stand out from them,
29:57 which I do think makes him a very compelling person.
29:58 I could see how he could actually form an alliance
30:01 because he is someone who could look at the bigger picture
30:03 at the end of the day.
30:04 And hopefully, they don't just turn him into,
30:06 "I want to dominate everything."
30:10 And that was never his motive.
30:11 And in reading the books,
30:14 he has some really meaningful relationships and cares for people,
30:21 including Anakin Skywalker.
30:22 So I don't know.
30:25 Speaking of Skywalkers,
30:26 I'm really interested to see if we will see a Chiss Skywalker,
30:31 which is like a force-sensitive Chiss youth
30:34 that is able to navigate hyperspace lanes
30:38 that are in the Unknown Regions.
30:40 - Wow.
30:41 You got that all from this one episode?
30:43 - No.
30:44 - Wow, wow, wow.
30:45 - I had nothing but time in the woods this summer
30:49 to read all Thrawn content.
30:52 - Thrawn-tent.
30:53 - Yeah, Thrawn-tent.
30:55 Yum.
30:55 Yeah.
30:57 Well, we'll see what happens.
30:59 Either way, this is different.
31:01 And I'm real jazzed about something different.
31:04 - I'm jazzed about it too.
31:07 I do think from a storytelling standpoint though,
31:11 that I do feel like this show might have a challenge
31:20 where it can keep too much of an emotional distance
31:23 with the way their portrayals go down.
31:26 Because there is a lot of stoicism.
31:29 Stoicism.
31:30 - Stoicism.
31:36 - Does that mean that is something that's pride?
31:41 - It's good, good.
31:42 - They've taken a lot of the...
31:46 It is interesting seeing the characters
31:48 they've brought over from the animated mediums
31:51 that they have adapted them
31:53 into this aged up, matured interpretation.
31:59 But a little bit, I wouldn't say void,
32:03 but have dialed back a lot of more
32:06 of the animated personality.
32:08 I would say that for everyone here.
32:10 Sabine, Hera, and especially Ahsoka.
32:13 And that was something that stood out to me already
32:16 with Ahsoka's appearance in Mandalorian.
32:19 And it especially stands out to me here
32:22 is at the end of the day,
32:25 we have to connect to these characters
32:27 on an emotional way in order to stay on board
32:29 for the journey.
32:30 I love the mood.
32:32 I love the aura.
32:33 I love the menace.
32:34 I love the stoicism.
32:35 (laughing)
32:37 I love all of that.
32:38 I actually really do love all of that.
32:40 My concern is if it just stays that way for so long
32:46 that there can be a lack of a pulsating feel
32:49 and a drive that you kind of need to have that,
32:53 you know what I mean?
32:54 That thrust into like, oh, my pulse is racing
32:57 as opposed to observation.
32:59 Because right now there is a bit of a distance
33:02 and a detachment, you know?
33:05 So a question for you then.
33:06 I'm not on exactly on the same throne page as you.
33:11 That's fine.
33:11 A query, my good man.
33:12 But a query about Ahsoka as a character
33:15 and what it would take to create that emotional,
33:17 'cause I agree.
33:18 Jokes.
33:18 At the moment, there's--
33:19 (laughing)
33:20 They fly now.
33:21 There is not a lot of chemistry at the moment.
33:26 And I hope that changes.
33:27 I think with anyone.
33:27 I hope it's a choice, a deliberate choice.
33:30 And that all of a sudden we have like an amazing pair.
33:33 Part of me wonders, and I mean,
33:36 there's been rumors about it,
33:38 of Ahsoka flashbacks with Hayden Christensen
33:41 to her as a Padawan.
33:43 And I had this dream, okay?
33:46 I had this dream that they didn't cast Rosario Dawson
33:53 for the younger version.
33:55 And they brought Ashley Eckstein back.
33:56 They brought Ashley Eckstein back, exactly.
33:58 That makes sense.
33:59 'Cause I feel like to be able to give people
34:02 that may have never seen the animated,
34:04 young, happy version of Ahsoka,
34:07 that it would be good to tap into a little bit of that magic
34:12 and also just create that narrative thread.
34:14 Well, do you think that would be enough to--
34:18 I think we're gonna need some flashback
34:21 that explains exactly why her demeanor
34:23 is such an antithesis to where we last left off with her.
34:26 Because when we last saw her in "Rebels,"
34:30 that was when Ezra pulled her out of that fight with Vader.
34:32 So she dealt with that revelation
34:33 and then she went her separate ways.
34:35 Where'd she just go back to?
34:36 The Temple Ruins?
34:38 Is that where she went in "The World Between Worlds"?
34:40 Yeah, she went right back to the Temple Ruins.
34:44 But then she went back, she found them all,
34:47 and then she helped them with all their stuff
34:48 that they were doing.
34:49 Okay, is there like a whole gap there
34:52 that I-- because I'm just going off of what happens
34:55 in the finale of "Rebels."
34:56 Yeah, yeah.
34:57 She disappeared, went off, was doing some adventures while--
35:01 And that's the part of the gap that I think we need to--
35:04 Fill in.
35:04 To fill in, to understand why she's morphed so much into this.
35:06 And if you buy the amazing Ahsoka book for $19.95--
35:10 Is that canon?
35:10 I'm trying to remember if they touch on--
35:14 I know, I don't think I get that far--
35:15 Because some of these books and stuff
35:16 are like canon and not canon.
35:18 The Ahsoka book is canon,
35:20 but I don't think it goes on that long in her narrative.
35:26 There is clearly a gap that needs to be filled.
35:28 But also, losing several years of your life
35:33 after finding out that your former master
35:36 killed a bunch of kids.
35:39 I mean, it was--
35:40 I'm glad he was the big threat to the Empire.
35:43 Probably--
35:43 Right underneath the Emperor, yeah.
35:45 It probably set her back a little bit.
35:47 Yeah, and I think that's part of the--
35:50 I think we have to factor that into it.
35:52 At the same time, yeah, there is that--
35:54 Like you brought up the chemistry question,
35:55 and I do think that every individual performer is so good.
36:00 Yeah, agreed.
36:01 And I do think you have a great point with exploring the gray,
36:05 which is what I was saying.
36:06 Likewise, I've been saying I want these live action shows to do more.
36:10 And I feel like that's why we started off with Daylin and--
36:14 Do we know her name yet?
36:17 Oh, the other one.
36:17 I don't think she has a name yet, but she will.
36:21 The Apprentice.
36:23 The Apprentice.
36:23 I think that's why we started off with them,
36:26 because they are--
36:27 I know Grey Jedi is something that pisses off the--
36:32 It's all winter now.
36:32 Yeah, it does.
36:33 But they do seem to exist in a chaotic, neutral place.
36:37 I think there's an appreciation for the tradition and for the force.
36:45 But historically speaking, canonically,
36:48 there's been plenty of Jedi that have veered off that path
36:52 and that have done their own things.
36:54 I feel like Jedi Survivor did such a great job exploring that theme.
36:59 But I think their chemistry is great, though.
37:05 For two very serious people that are murdering people,
37:08 I'm like, "Oh, they're a great little pair."
37:10 Yeah, I know.
37:10 You mean like Baylin and--
37:12 Yeah.
37:13 It's more organic than Ahsoka and Sabine.
37:15 In ways, I feel like that whole crew, like Morgan, Elisabeth,
37:19 and the group of them have--
37:21 even though you haven't been spending much intimate time,
37:24 there is something that feels like a more complete unit.
37:27 And I do like the mirroring of like,
37:29 "Oh, we have remnants of so many different casts of people
37:33 and different specialized abilities and things like that."
37:37 And that plays off of what the Rebels crew is also.
37:41 But yeah, they are all organized and they're going after their goal.
37:46 It almost feels like they have the plot momentum
37:48 and our main characters are all catching up to that
37:50 and sort of coming back together as a unit.
37:52 Yeah.
37:53 But if you haven't seen it, it doesn't feel deserved.
37:57 At least I imagine that's what it--
38:00 At least I know the magic.
38:03 When I see Harrison Doola, my heart flutters a little bit
38:06 because this is a character that I've invested a lot of time in.
38:09 If you're brand new to this, there's no--
38:11 I don't know.
38:13 I agree with you, Greg.
38:15 It is missing chemistry and a little bit of magic.
38:21 And dare I say, maybe some comic relief in the form of a character,
38:28 like Jar Jar Binks.
38:29 Gotta get him back.
38:30 That would fix it.
38:31 Gotta get him back.
38:32 Although, you know who would actually be a really great addition to this
38:35 that I don't think they'll add?
38:36 But I feel like Zeb is a great fine line between somebody that's funny.
38:41 If I wanted to simplify it, I would say that there is a weird lack of excitement.
38:48 I'm excited for what's to come.
38:50 There's a lot I'm looking forward to.
38:52 But when we get to action scenes, I don't find them--
38:55 I think they're cool to look at,
38:57 but I don't find the action particularly exciting.
39:00 I think you need one character who is kind of into this
39:04 and is not just doing it out of burden and purpose.
39:06 Like somebody who is a bit more of a swashbuckler or something.
39:10 Yeah, yeah.
39:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:15 I completely agree with that.
39:16 And maybe they'll pick one up along the way.
39:19 I think when Zeb comes--
39:21 because Zeb has to come into the show.
39:22 I don't know.
39:23 That's expensive.
39:25 That's why they just threw him in Mandalorian.
39:28 I think--
39:29 You get this one cameo, man.
39:33 It would be amazing.
39:34 But if you're going to do that, at that point, do it.
39:37 They could get a crazy animatronic.
39:39 Get the crew.
39:39 But I don't think they're going that direction.
39:42 I think that Ahsoka and Sabine are going to this galaxy alone.
39:49 Yeah.
39:50 Don't get me wrong.
39:51 Rebels is a real hit or miss show for me, actually.
39:54 I'm going to be honest.
39:55 I think the show is remarkably repetitive a lot of the time.
40:01 And then when it's great, it's so great.
40:03 So I'm not by any means--
40:07 this guy is like, oh, I just want it to be season five of Rebel.
40:09 That's not at all my taste.
40:11 Because I would say even with season four, a lot of times--
40:14 because that show has a certain pattern and a certain repetition.
40:19 And then when it decides to really just propel forward and do some different stuff,
40:22 I'm like, man, this show is firing on all cylinders.
40:24 And I always thought Rebels was at its best when it was taking itself the most serious as well.
40:31 So I'm by no means here going, I want it to be the quirky, fun animation.
40:35 But there is something here that right now I'm like, I still feel kept at a distance right now.
40:42 As much as I'm loving the observation piece.
40:45 And I thought the first episode was more transportive than the second one.
40:48 Sure.
40:48 I wonder if that's a Dave Filoni-- because if you notice, most of the stuff that he's done
40:55 in terms of the live action where he's been in the director's chair or the writers--
41:00 The gunslinger?
41:01 They're very relatively serious episodes.
41:04 Not the gunslinger.
41:05 Except for the gunslinger.
41:06 But I can imagine that he's kind of living in this interesting shadow of like,
41:10 yeah, he's the cartoon guy.
41:12 And now he's trying to be something more serious.
41:14 I wonder if that's a hard thread for him as he's making that transition professionally.
41:20 Yeah.
41:21 Either way, he's doing an extraordinary job.
41:23 I think visually, this is a really compelling piece.
41:26 And I do agree that, oh, this is actually exciting to see that they're building something
41:30 where I'm not like, OK, so we're just filling the gap to the first order.
41:34 Yeah.
41:35 Yeah.
41:35 We have a foregone conclusion and we're just doing stuff in between.
41:38 That's why I think it is smart to have.
41:40 Because I don't know the history all that well.
41:42 But yeah, like something discovery of force and everything divided up.
41:46 And that's why we got like hyperspace lanes and shit like that in Purgle.
41:49 It's all like fragmented in my mind of how it all goes.
41:53 So to have this unexplored region where you could have like this other story take place,
41:59 it's not a multiverse, it's just a different galaxy.
42:02 Yeah.
42:02 A whole other region.
42:03 Now, please, John.
42:06 I thought this did a nice job to end off on a note that suggests that those missing elements
42:10 of chemistry and camaraderie might be just around the corner.
42:15 Yeah.
42:15 Or at least some kind of like engaging character friction because they're setting off on the
42:20 journey and they have the calls or Padawan.
42:22 Yeah.
42:23 Well, they have Hu Yang here to help balance.
42:25 Which is a great character, but not the funniest character in the world.
42:30 You know, get some of that David Tennant wit.
42:33 I mean, it's great.
42:34 Yeah.
42:37 Well, we'll see.
42:38 There's a lot of characters that I want to see in live action.
42:41 Name them all.
42:42 You want me to name all of them?
42:44 Alphabetical order.
42:45 Yeah.
42:45 But actually, actually, Hondo.
42:47 Hondo would be great.
42:48 He was.
42:48 He was involved in the finale.
42:51 No, that's exactly the kind of character that we need.
42:53 Yeah.
42:54 That's it.
42:54 And Maul.
42:55 Bring him back again.
42:56 Just more spider legs.
43:00 No, he's dead now, right?
43:01 More spider legs.
43:02 At this point, yeah.
43:03 Yeah, yeah.
43:03 Because he died in Rebels.
43:05 Yeah, yeah.
43:05 He's dead.
43:06 He's dead.
43:07 Yeah.
43:07 Sometimes the timelines do confuse me.
43:09 I want someone to put together the most ultimate watch.
43:13 The ultimate chronology.
43:14 Just like put it all in order from Clone Wars to New Hope to the prequels and like
43:21 intersplice with them.
43:22 Bad bad.
43:23 So Inquisitor theory.
43:26 Okay, hear me out.
43:28 Is there an Inquisitor who survived?
43:30 I mean, theoretically, like there's several Inquisitors that were never fully identified.
43:36 I don't know.
43:37 And I don't think it's any of the ones that we've met thus far.
43:41 Although, you know, it would be really interesting to see.
43:43 Oh, gosh.
43:45 Barris.
43:45 Although that didn't look like a Barris.
43:48 Remind me of Barris.
43:51 Barris is the one that played a role in framing.
43:57 Oh, the one who Akiya.
43:58 She's the one who straight up, straight up framed Ahsoka.
44:01 She's the one who completely framed Ahsoka.
44:02 She was mildly complicit in the framing.
44:03 Oh, yes, yes.
44:04 They were friends and then, yeah, yeah.
44:06 I always felt like that was an interesting narrative storyline.
44:09 I was thinking like, what Inquisitor's name Barris?
44:11 Oh, yeah, yeah.
44:12 But it was heavily implied that she became an Inquisitor.
44:15 And we never saw her.
44:16 Really?
44:17 I guess I don't recall that.
44:19 If I'm completely wrong, feel free to rip me apart in the comment section.
44:22 But the other character.
44:25 But that's what led to the, it would thematically tie in because that's what led to her
44:29 rejecting the Jedi Order.
44:31 Yeah.
44:31 We should go and look at that person again and see if that's even a remote possibility.
44:36 That Inquisitor.
44:38 Is that a thing that we can do?
44:39 We can rewind.
44:40 Yeah, John.
44:43 That's.
44:45 It could be.
44:51 It does look feminine.
44:52 Could be.
44:53 It does look a wee bit feminine.
44:55 And it would also kind of explain this.
44:59 And I definitely felt like they've met before.
45:01 I'm used to Inquisitors vocalizing too.
45:05 Yeah.
45:05 Well, it would make sense not to do that if it's somebody that is so.
45:08 Yeah, this one felt like very, very quiet.
45:12 Also, who like Ahsoka, like wrecked every other Inquisitor effortlessly.
45:18 It would make sense that this would be a more challenging duel for her if it was Barriss.
45:22 I would be super jazzed.
45:25 Connective tissue.
45:26 Or it could be our favorite little Wookiee Jedi.
45:29 I'm messing with you.
45:34 Actually, no, the Barriss theory would line up because when she revealed herself to
45:41 doing it, she thought like the Jedi went down.
45:44 She thought she was putting an exposure on the dark paths.
45:47 The Jedi went down.
45:48 So it would make sense that she would want to become a Jedi hunter.
45:51 But I don't think she necessarily wanted to become a Jedi hunter as much as she was forced
45:56 into it.
45:57 This character is no longer an Inquisitor.
46:00 They I think.
46:02 Right.
46:03 It would make sense if Bailin represents this notion of the Jedi.
46:10 Like you don't have to be Sith.
46:11 You don't have to completely be consumed by hate.
46:14 However, to be weak, to not take the offensive, to fall into the plight of the Jedi and their
46:22 very narrow minded philosophy that puts the whole galaxy at risk.
46:27 Yeah.
46:27 Bailin wants power, not for the sake of power, but for the sake to protect what he loves,
46:32 which is what Anakin wanted to.
46:34 But Anakin fell to the dark side in that process.
46:39 I think there's something really interesting going on here.
46:41 And I think Ahsoka on a level philosophically probably aligns closer with Bailin than one
46:50 would expect at first glance, because her same feelings about the Jedi and their lack
46:56 of action, their lack of I mean, even we saw it in the very last season of Clone Wars when
47:01 she pushed for them to go to Mandalore to protect people.
47:04 Why shouldn't the Jedi do their job of being the defenders and protectors of the galaxy?
47:09 Well, I think the debate there's a debate around is Ahsoka a Jedi or not, right?
47:14 Like that's that is such a question mark.
47:16 But I think this show is intentionally going, we can define what a Jedi is like.
47:23 I think we can land in a scenario where, um, uh, my God, Sabine, where Sabine can be you
47:33 can be a Jedi and then not be using the force somehow.
47:37 I think there's a scenario where they can land in that identification.
47:40 Yeah.
47:40 You have these characters like Bailin took on an apprentice, but Bailin does not consider
47:47 himself a Jedi, yet he's got himself an apprentice who is trained in the Jedi ways, you know,
47:52 and then Ahsoka herself rejected the Jedi order.
47:54 And yet, you know, everywhere she goes, she's like, there's a Jedi, but she says she's not
47:59 a Jedi.
48:00 Yeah.
48:01 Like this is one of the words she said to like, to even Vader, like, I'm no Jedi, right?
48:05 Like she does, she herself doesn't call it.
48:07 So I think maybe.
48:08 Also, why isn't she with Luke?
48:10 Like, like, she, she can't be with Luke because Luke's view of what the Jedi order should
48:14 become.
48:15 Yeah.
48:16 Is what the Jedi order was.
48:17 And that's because of poor writing, it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
48:23 And it ended up the same exact thing happened all over again.
48:26 But that's why I think, uh, her arc Ahsoka's will be that clarity on what, you know, the
48:34 audience fights about.
48:35 I think.
48:36 Yeah, yeah.
48:39 I, I, I hope anyway, that what is transpiring here thematically, as Star Wars gets itself
48:48 back on course, will connect with the Rey film that's coming out of what happens post
48:56 of this stuff is, oh, there's another galaxy, a whole bunch of other stuff.
49:00 Yeah.
49:00 The Ray Charles movie.
49:01 All right.
49:02 Well, I'm, I'm done talking.
49:03 I've, I've, I've theorized enough for today.
49:06 Uh, we've all have, especially John.
49:08 We won't stop.
49:09 Yeah.
49:09 Get John.
49:10 So many theories based on the extended novel stuff, guys, it's gonna be crazy.
49:14 Close us out, John.
49:15 Guys, what did you think of this episode?
49:17 Leave your nitpicks.
49:18 Why do you think this is the worst thing Star Wars has done yet?
49:21 Or inversely, why is this the best thing Star Wars has ever produced?
49:25 Leave it below and we'll catch it for episode three next week.
49:29 Is it Barris?
49:30 I want to know what the audience thinks.
49:32 Is it Barrett?
49:32 New question.
49:33 Forget all that.
49:34 Is it Barrett?
49:35 John, what if it's Ezra?
49:37 Oh, that would make any sense, but I'll go with it.
49:44 Not even slightly, but stature wise.
49:47 Yeah, I see it.
49:48 Yeah.
49:49 Stature wise.
49:49 What if that's Zeb?
49:50 All right.
49:53 Well, guys, we call myself all don't Gaunt.
49:59 Pick your favorite fan theory and leave it below and maybe is it a fan theory or conspiracy?
50:05 Your fan conspiracy theories.
50:08 Pick your favorite and let Lucasfilm know that that's what you demand from the reveal
50:12 in the finale coming up.
50:14 Much love and we'll see you next time.
50:16 Force be with you and all that good stuff.
50:18 I love you.
50:18 I know.
50:19 Peace out.