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00:00 Hi everybody, welcome to our look back at who's had a good week and who's had a very
00:19 bad week. I'm recording here, I'm Nancy Fielder, Editor-in-Chief at nationalworld.com, recording
00:26 from a very wet and wild and rather grim Sheffield. The phrase "it's grim up north" is definitely
00:31 true today. Marina, what was it like where you are?
00:34 Yeah, hi everyone, I'm Marina Lisht, Associate Editor of nationalworld.com and I'm in London.
00:40 Pretty grim up here, I don't think it's as bad as other places though.
00:43 I thought it was quite nice, the reporters who were based in Portsmouth, they were saying
00:49 it's quite nice down on the south coast but hey ho. Anyway, it's been a tough, very bad
00:54 week for some people but I think the most obvious one in terms of the UK is the poor
01:01 old Prime Minister. So last night in particular, he's had an absolutely horrendous week, hasn't
01:08 he? I mean he's very quiet this morning because we're recording this on a Friday, I know he's
01:13 out in the Middle East doing his tour but actually he's not really saying much about
01:17 the fact that he's been absolutely stamped on by two by-elections last night. Did you
01:24 think it would be quite as bad for Rishi as it was Marina?
01:29 I actually did think it would be pretty bad, maybe not as bad but I wasn't expecting anything
01:35 else than a very poor show from the Conservatives. It's lucky he's away at the moment but yeah,
01:43 it's going to be interesting to see how he responds to this and because I think the Tamworth
01:48 one is the second biggest swing to Labour since 1945.
01:54 How do you think he takes it personally? I don't feel like we know a massive amount about
01:57 his personality. It seems like he's very airbrushed and very PR presented. He wants us to think
02:04 certain things about him and his family that I'm not sure are actually accurate because
02:07 we know basically that both of them, both members of the couple are billionaires or
02:12 millionaires in their own right, aren't they? I just wonder how he is feeling. It looks
02:17 like he's on a downward path here. Nobody thinks he's going to get in the next election.
02:22 Unelected Prime Minister rule for a very short time. I don't know, what do we know about
02:28 him Marina?
02:29 I know it's really interesting when you say that because it's what we were talking about
02:32 last week, wasn't it? About charisma and maybe Keir Starmer's lack of charisma and maybe
02:38 the same, I think the same could be applied to Rishi. He tries to portray, as we all know,
02:44 he's certainly not a man of the people but he did try and with his summer holiday pose
02:49 in sort of hooded top and jeans and his wife is trying to sort of pose the children and
02:59 at the conference we talked about how she made out he likes Emily in Paris and wears
03:04 hooded tops but you know, the public aren't stupid. We know he isn't a man of the people.
03:11 I don't know if Keir Starmer is either though.
03:15 No I don't think there's, in terms of personality politics, I think we're a bit lacking, aren't
03:19 we? There are none of the sort of big personalities who really grab the headlines. I mean, I know
03:26 we're not talking about Keir but boy he was dull and even with a historic record victory
03:31 he was still kind of not talking about his incredible politics. He was talking about
03:35 how bad the Tories are, which none of us think is wrong on that but at least give us something
03:40 to be hopeful for. So yeah, I don't know if Rishi's going to, maybe dull and boring is
03:47 what the country needed but he's clearly been too dull and boring because there isn't even
03:52 anything much to say about him, is there? Where is he? What does he think? We don't
03:56 know what he thinks and how can you have a Prime Minister who's not even sure what he's
04:00 thinking?
04:01 I know it's interesting on our, we had a morning call didn't we on nationalworld.com and our
04:05 early editor Tom Wharton was saying perhaps that's what the country needs, a contrast
04:12 between Boris and that's what, does the country need dull and boring? I don't think any country
04:18 wants dull and boring though. They need stability.
04:23 And we need leadership don't we? I think the problem is Boris gave us leadership that actually
04:29 was a slightly insane leadership all over the place whatever his last random thought
04:33 had been but it just doesn't really feel like anybody's getting any help here and the country's
04:38 in a desperate position isn't it?
04:39 But what Boris, yeah but what Boris was very good at is everybody did talk about Boris
04:46 and everybody doesn't really want to talk about Rishi and Keir.
04:52 No, so the last Prime Minister is one of them maybe and the next Prime Minister and we're
05:00 all sat here scratching our heads and it is interesting so one of the reporters went out
05:04 in Tamworth, lives fairly locally and all the reactions she got from sort of people
05:09 on the streets were just like we're not going to bother to vote or if we do we're just kind
05:13 of voting in a negative way because we want to get rid of the government but we don't
05:16 particularly know who would want to replace them and nobody had anything positive to say.
05:21 There were loads of people in Tamworth who didn't even know there was an election going
05:24 on that's how disengaged and how little they care because we've kind of been driven into
05:31 despair by people like Rishi just bumbling along trying to look calm and steady and actually
05:36 just being dull and boring and the country needs more really.
05:39 But isn't that awful, isn't that awful that people are so disengaged they can't be bothered
05:45 to get up, I know it was raining and it's bad weather but to actually get off their
05:49 sofa or finish work and go and vote, we've got to the stage that nobody cares.
05:55 Yeah, it is, it's really really sad and I think the younger generation are, you can't
06:01 blame them, they're even more disillusioned because they, we've just had so many Prime
06:06 Ministers, they've all just done such a poor job and actually it is really tough for most
06:11 families now and there aren't, sort of, there isn't, where's the light at the end of the
06:16 tunnel, where's the sort of optimism for the future generations and what they will have.
06:20 So I don't know where Rishi is, he seems to be missing in action personality wise, even
06:27 when we know where he physically is and which country he's in, he's not here fighting his
06:31 corn this morning.
06:32 Let's move on, we're fed up of talking about it.
06:35 Where are the next leaders, that's what I want to know, forget Kier, forget Rishi, where
06:39 are they, where are the leaders with personality?
06:44 Sorry, we shall move on from Rishi to JLo, I think that's quite a big leap from Rishi
06:51 to JLo.
06:52 I wanted to talk about JLo because she's 54 years of age and, you know, people will say
06:58 well why am I bringing up her age, well I'm bringing up her age because she's starring
07:02 in a new sort of collab, lingerie collab, and I think it's fantastic that she's 54.
07:07 I know not every 54 year old looks like JLo and maybe people will say oh Marina, what
07:13 are you talking about, it's not realistic to look like JLo, but I just like the fact
07:20 that she's 54 and also I want to talk about Kim Cattrall, who used to be Sex and the City,
07:26 and she's in her late 60s and she's starring in Kim K's Skims campaign at the moment.
07:32 And I am in the midst of writing an article, I'm so fed up of reading article and article
07:38 about women in their 50s and beyond who become invisible after a certain age and I'm just
07:45 fed up with it and I think it's fantastic that the likes of JLo and Kim Cattrall are,
07:51 you know, saying you don't have to be invisible, I think it's brilliant.
07:57 Okay now see I'm with you on JLo, I love JLo and do you know what I love most, I love the
08:03 fact that people are just horrible to her and she just carries on and she's just brilliant
08:07 and she's done acting, she's done dancing, she does everything doesn't she, and yes she
08:12 looks incredible but she just has this aura of confidence that no matter what they throw
08:17 at her and over the years they have thrown some really horrible stuff at her, not for
08:23 anything that, again you can't really pinpoint, I don't remember when she was a serial killer
08:27 or I don't remember actually when she did anything bad at all but they properly tried
08:30 to take her down and she comes out of it with that big beautiful smile and just keeps going.
08:36 But I'm not so, I'm not so fussed about Kim Cattrall in Kim Kardashian's underwear to
08:42 be honest, I just, I don't know, I'm not sure I'm a cheerleader for every woman over a certain
08:48 age and I love the fact that you're delighted about the fact she's that age, I wonder if
08:51 she's delighted about the fact that she's 54.
08:53 I don't know, I don't think she hides away from it but yeah, but what, is it because
08:58 you don't, you're not keen on Kim Cattrall or you're not keen on Kim K or just you like
09:04 JLo, what is it about?
09:06 Yeah I think I want a JLo, I think it probably goes back a very long way and I possibly shouldn't
09:12 admit this but I don't think I was a great Sex and the City fan.
09:15 Oh no, I can't believe you said that.
09:18 Sorry, sorry Marina.
09:19 Also I find the Kardashian's addictive because you kind of can't help but find out what boring
09:24 pieces of nonsense in their life has happened but I don't think, I don't know, they're not
09:29 inspiring or they don't make me smile whereas actually JLo, I've got some really good music
09:33 from JLo that you can pop on and you can pretend that you're either 54 or 14 again.
09:38 She's not going anywhere JLo.
09:40 No, I mean I was a huge Sex and the City fan, I could spend the whole of the chapter talking
09:45 about Sex and the City, how awful and just like that is but I won't do that now but I
09:50 was a fan of Kim Cattrall, I still am a fan of Kim Cattrall and I just think that more
09:55 and more women should take confidence and try and you know, although I did read a Gransnet
10:02 survey that said something like 70% of women over a certain age feel invisible in the workplace
10:08 over 50 which is appalling so hopefully this will do somewhat to combat it and hopefully
10:16 it will help.
10:17 It is really good that actually there was a whole time where women over, and it's even
10:22 over your 30s isn't it, I don't know what the certain age is that we talk about but
10:25 actually there are some actresses now, we could name quite a few, who are in their 70s,
10:30 perhaps even in their 80s and just doing fantastic things and I don't feel like that would necessarily,
10:35 they might have been cast as an evil witch about to die before but not sort of really
10:39 strong powerful characters and that is good, I don't think it's quite changed enough but
10:44 I mean women are still paid less than men aren't they, they're still less likely to
10:48 get promotions or cut the boards and the chief execs, they're still not women, it's still
10:52 not equal so actually yeah, maybe I should be more supportive of people like Kim Cattrall
10:58 because I think every little does help and there is so much negativity and everybody
11:03 feels it in terms of do I look the right way, do I dress the right way, is my makeup right,
11:08 am I spending enough on clothes so for them to come out fighting.
11:11 I wonder if they do think they're coming out fighting or if they just have bills to pay.
11:15 No I think they definitely come out fighting and when we were talking about it I just thought
11:18 about Madonna, I mean I've ranted before about Madonna and I continue to rant about Madonna.
11:24 Every day Marina, every day.
11:27 Every day, every day because obviously when she fell ill it was like oh my god Madonna,
11:33 should she be doing her celebration tour and of course Mick Jagger can do what he wants,
11:37 he struts on stage but again it's just sexism again.
11:42 Well it is and let's be honest all these women are mums who are the most powerful influential
11:48 role model in their children's life as every mum is, there's no discussion around it and
11:52 yet they're written up.
11:53 So Nancy from JLo, now I'm going to be interested to hear what you think about Eric Cantona.
12:12 Eric Cantona, you're not going to be saying how pleased you are that he's an old man are
12:19 you?
12:20 Eric Cantona, he's a very interesting individual.
12:25 I was just...
12:26 That is true, that is true.
12:28 Nobody's ever said he was boring.
12:32 And he certainly doesn't lack confidence as he's about to embark on his UK tour, he's
12:37 talking about, well potentially joking about the Rolling Stones supporting him.
12:42 But is he actually?
12:43 So footballer Eric Cantona, famous for his kung fu skills and poetry writing, is now
12:52 a singer.
12:53 So his tour is not a football tour, he's going out there to do music.
12:59 How long has he been doing music even?
13:01 What is he thinking and can he even sing?
13:04 I haven't actually heard it, I think he released his first music earlier this year.
13:10 He's going to be performing in Manchester, he's going to also be at the Bloomsbury Theatre
13:15 in London and it's sold out.
13:17 So obviously there's an appetite to hear Eric Cantona.
13:22 I remember obviously in the day his amazing football skills, but obviously of course his
13:28 poetry, his music about the Seagulls, I'm sure you remember that quote that he said.
13:38 I have heard him sing, it's not that bad.
13:42 If it were anybody else of his age who'd never done it before, he wouldn't stand a chance
13:48 would they?
13:49 Now are people not buying these tickets because they just want to be in a room with the football
13:52 legend that is Eric Cantona?
13:54 Do we think they really?
13:55 Oh he's going to be entertaining as well isn't he?
13:57 Because every time he says something you're a little bit, oh okay, what does that mean?
14:01 What does it actually mean?
14:02 He is a very entertaining person, he was incredible at football.
14:06 Is that not why they're going?
14:07 It doesn't matter, he could have been dancing a salsa.
14:09 Maybe Eric Cantona needs to give some lessons to Ritchie Sunak and Kirstarma.
14:17 Well I hate to say it but I think if somebody like Eric Cantona or JLo actually went into
14:21 politics there would at least be a positive reason to vote even if they had no policies.
14:26 I wonder what, oh yeah, I think Eric Cantona definitely would have policies.
14:31 But I do agree with you about why are people going to see him?
14:34 They're going to see him because who knows what Eric Cantona's going to do?
14:39 He may just sing but he might go off on a little bit of a rant and share some more of
14:44 his musings, which I'm sure he will.
14:48 He will.
14:49 Do you think they'll be chanting 'Who are Cantona?' from their push seats like they
14:53 would do if they were at a football stand?
14:54 Are there rules around what you can do?
14:57 I think there are rules but you never know.
14:59 I'm sure there'll be a few people who won't be able to resist that.
15:04 Now he did say that his ultimate dream would be to play at Old Trafford, like obviously
15:09 he's played at Old Trafford lots of times, but to sing and perform and sell out Old Trafford
15:15 as a concert venue.
15:17 Now I wonder if he could actually do that just because so many people would go along.
15:22 There's not many people you would suggest could sell out somewhere so good but that
15:25 would be a sight to see, wouldn't it?
15:26 Yeah, I'd quite like to go.
15:28 Would you buy a ticket?
15:29 Yeah, I think I might.
15:30 I'd quite like to see Eric Cantona.
15:34 Who could you persuade to go with you?
15:36 That is the question.
15:37 Nobody.
15:38 You, Nancy, I'd persuade you.
15:39 You'd come with me.
15:40 He'd have to come up north.
15:43 Okay, so when tickets go on sale for Eric Cantona's exclusive Old Trafford gig, we'll
15:49 both be there.
15:50 I'm not sure I would make the journey to London to see him though.
15:53 Well, we'll have to both go and see Madonna, hopefully, if she does perform at Glastonbury
15:57 next year, both of us together, that would be...
16:00 That would do us.
16:01 Yes, that would, yeah, okay.
16:03 I think Madonna probably put some more of a show in you know more of what you're going
16:06 to get.
16:07 I mean, interesting.
16:08 So Eric Cantona has been in the spotlight but he, I think he's had a good week.
16:16 Who else have we got?
16:17 Have we got somebody else who's got a good week or are we finishing on a bad week?
16:20 Where do you want to go next, Marina?
16:21 No, I think, I think Rishi's obviously had a bad week.
16:25 JLo's had a good week.
16:27 We've had Colleen, Colleen Rooney, I think we should go to next.
16:33 So good week?
16:34 I think she's had a good week, yes.
16:37 I can't say I had, I'm a massive fan of Colleen Rooney.
16:42 I didn't feel strongly one way or another and even when the Wagatha trial was going
16:46 on with Rebecca Vardy, I didn't think, oh, I can't wait to see what's going on.
16:52 But I did do my homework this week and I did watch the Disney docu-series with Colleen.
16:59 I did warm to her a bit more afterwards.
17:01 I did find it a little bit dull, dare I say, in parts.
17:05 But I kind of understood where she was coming from, Colleen.
17:10 Piers Morgan was on it too, sort of commenting, hmm, Colleen, did you really think that having
17:16 300 people on your private Instagram, are they really all your sort of close friends?
17:23 And I did get his point, but I think Colleen just believed in sort of, you know, highlighting
17:32 who the mole was, who was leaking stories to the newspaper.
17:37 And I kind of get why she wanted to do that from a sort of right or wrong moral kind of
17:42 point of view.
17:43 I thought it was quite funny that Wayne Rooney was so fascinated by the court case that he
17:50 was thinking of going to law school.
17:52 That was quite amusing.
17:53 - A la Kim Kardashian.
17:54 - Yeah, a la Kim Kardashian.
17:55 But also I quite, you know, what I was talking about in our chat the other day is about never
18:06 underestimate a wag.
18:10 Never underestimate a wag at your peril, because nothing annoys me more than when people
18:15 say, oh, Colleen Rooney, what does she know about?
18:19 She can't talk about anything.
18:21 But as we know from the queen of the wag, Victoria Beckham, she's become incredibly
18:29 successful.
18:30 Well, some would argue perhaps not successful because her fashion company wasn't doing so
18:35 well in recent years.
18:36 - Let me get to your point, Mareen, because I'm going to interrupt you and disagree on
18:38 this.
18:39 Victoria Beckham was one of the most famous and influential pop stars of her generation.
18:47 What actually have people like Colleen Rooney and Rebecca Vardy got?
18:51 Why are we so fascinated by them?
18:53 The only thing that is fascinating, I'm not saying she's not a good mom, flipping heck,
18:57 we all know she's been a dutiful wife and she might be a lovely woman, but why on earth
19:02 are we even interested?
19:05 Because they're married to people who've got a lot of money.
19:07 Why are they seen as influential?
19:09 Why are we wasting our time speaking about people like them?
19:12 You're right, there is an obsession, but she's not, has she built anything at all?
19:17 Whoever married Wayne Rooney was going to get the attention.
19:20 What has she actually done herself?
19:22 Now you could, I know people say similar about the Kardashians and there's been lots of Kardashians,
19:26 probably there will be in every single chat show we do, but they've created something
19:32 or argued about nothing.
19:33 She's done nothing.
19:34 I think people are obsessed with her because yes, of course we wouldn't be obsessed with
19:41 her if she wasn't married to Wayne Rooney, but she's, what I think people can't get enough
19:46 of is that she's an ordinary person.
19:50 She was all, you know, she didn't do anything and that's what people's fascinated.
19:54 They met when they were school children and I think people can relate to her.
19:59 They think possibly she's down to earth, she's more accessible to people and yes, we wouldn't
20:08 be interested in her without a doubt if she wasn't married to Wayne Rooney, but she is
20:14 ordinary and I think that's what people sort of are fascinated by.
20:19 Is she?
20:20 Look at her life since he played football and you could argue the same with him.
20:24 He's just an ordinary bloke, but nobody warms to Wayne Rooney, nobody's inspired by what
20:29 he does.
20:30 Arguably you might say he's a good footballer.
20:31 I will reserve judgment on that since I'm not going from Cantona straight to Rooney,
20:36 but he's the one who's driven it through his God given and hard work football skill.
20:43 But he's the only achiever and he's had a remarkably dull life.
20:49 It was working class.
20:50 He didn't have anything going for him except his football.
20:54 What's she done?
20:55 Who cares?
20:56 Why are we obsessing?
20:58 This whole Disney thing is very glamorous.
21:00 It's very gorgeous.
21:01 It was very Liverpool and I'm not saying people shouldn't watch it.
21:05 It is actually really interesting, but isn't it fascinating that we're obsessed with people
21:09 who actually might not, I don't know, in any of the circumstances, the two of them, nobody
21:15 would even blink, would they, if they walked into a room?
21:18 I don't know.
21:19 But I kind of deep down admire her.
21:23 I don't admire her for staying with Wayne Rooney because obviously people say, obviously
21:29 she stayed with him because she has this incredible life.
21:33 But at least now she's trying to make something of her own life.
21:39 Potentially one would say, oh, because she's married to Wayne Rooney, but she is now doing
21:42 something.
21:44 She will sort of grow from this and I think she's been on loose women chat shows.
21:52 Because of who she's married to, I mean, I think she's just a normal woman with an incredible
21:58 amount of money and people watching every move because there has been slips up a lot.
22:02 Yes, I agree with you.
22:04 But at least now she's taking that and moving on and going to do something with it.
22:10 So I sort of understand that.
22:15 Okay.
22:16 Rebecca Vardy, what's your opinion on her then?
22:19 Rebecca Vardy, she's an interesting character.
22:24 I reserve judgment on Rebecca Vardy.
22:26 I'm not necessarily, I wasn't necessarily keen on Colleen.
22:29 I warned her more after the Disney documentary.
22:34 Rebecca Vardy, you know, if you watch it, obviously it's from Colleen's point of view.
22:38 So she's pointed at, you know, made out to be like Cruella de Vil.
22:43 So be interesting to see, obviously, if Rebecca Vardy now comes back with her own Disney docu-series.
22:50 The media is very good at doing that.
22:52 I mean, you say Rebecca Vardy has been made out to be like Cruella de Vil, but boy, aren't
22:57 we good at taking people from nothing, building them up and then just waiting for the opportunity
23:02 to kick them back down again.
23:03 100%.
23:04 I think, I don't know.
23:05 I mean, that whole world, again, she's not a serial killer.
23:10 What she has done wasn't nice, but it was in a very sort of, their whole careers are
23:15 based around media and selling things and being nasty to each other and etc, etc.
23:21 So I don't know.
23:23 I think it's been a good week.
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