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00:02 - Sorry.
00:15 We shall move on from Rishi to JLo.
00:19 I think that's quite a big leap from Rishi to JLo.
00:23 I wanted to talk about JLo because she's 54 years of age
00:27 and you know, people will say,
00:29 well, why am I bringing up her age?
00:30 Well, I'm bringing up her age
00:31 'cause she's starring in a new sort of collab,
00:34 lingerie collab.
00:36 And I think it's fantastic that she's 54.
00:38 I know not every 54 year old looks like JLo
00:41 and maybe people will say,
00:43 oh Marina, what are you talking about?
00:45 It's not realistic to look like JLo.
00:49 But I just like the fact that she's 54
00:52 and also I want to talk about Kim Cattrall,
00:54 used to be "Sex and the City"
00:56 and she's in her late 60s
00:58 and she's starring in Kim K's "Skims" campaign
01:01 at the moment.
01:03 And I am in the midst of writing an article.
01:06 I'm so fed up of reading article and article
01:09 about women in their 50s and beyond
01:13 who become invisible after a certain age.
01:15 And I'm just fed up with it.
01:16 And I think it's fantastic that the likes of JLo
01:20 and Kim Cattrall, you know,
01:23 saying you don't have to be invisible.
01:26 I think it's brilliant.
01:28 - Okay.
01:29 Now, see, I'm with you on JLo.
01:31 I love JLo.
01:32 And do you know what I love most?
01:33 I love the fact that people are just horrible to her
01:36 and she just carries on and she's just brilliant.
01:38 And she's done acting, she's done dancing.
01:40 She does everything, doesn't she?
01:42 And yes, she looks incredible,
01:44 but she just has this aura of confidence
01:47 that no matter what they throw at her,
01:49 over the years they have thrown
01:51 some really horrible stuff at her.
01:53 Not for anything that, again, you can't really pinpoint.
01:56 I don't remember when she was a serial killer
01:58 or I don't remember actually when she did anything bad
02:00 at all, but they properly tried to take her down.
02:02 And she comes out of it with that big, beautiful smile
02:06 and just keeps going.
02:07 But I'm not so fussed about Kim Cattrall
02:10 in Kim Kardashian's underwear, to be honest.
02:14 I just, I don't know.
02:15 I'm not sure I'm a cheerleader for every woman
02:18 over a certain age.
02:19 And I love the fact that you're delighted
02:20 about the fact she's that age.
02:22 I wonder if she's delighted about the fact that she's 54.
02:25 - I don't know.
02:26 I don't think she hides away from it,
02:27 but yeah, is it because you're not keen on Kim Cattrall
02:31 or you're not keen on Kim K or just you like JLo?
02:36 What is it about?
02:37 - Yeah, I think I want a JLo.
02:39 I think it probably goes back a very long way.
02:41 And I possibly shouldn't admit this,
02:43 but I don't think I was a great "Sex and the City" fan.
02:46 - Oh no, I can't believe you said that.
02:49 - Also, I find the card Dastian's addictive
02:52 'cause you kind of can't help but find out
02:54 what boring piece of nonsense in their life has happened.
02:58 But I don't think, I don't know, they're not inspiring
03:00 or they don't make me smile.
03:02 Whereas actually JLo, I've got some really good music
03:04 from JLo that you can pop on
03:05 and you can pretend that you're either 54 or 14 again.
03:08 So you're not going anywhere, JLo.
03:11 - No.
03:12 I mean, I was a huge "Sex and the City" fan.
03:14 I could spend the whole of the chapter
03:15 talking about "Sex and the City,"
03:16 how awful and just like that is, but I won't do that now.
03:20 But I was a fan of Kim Cattrall.
03:22 I still am a fan of Kim Cattrall.
03:24 And I just think that more and more women
03:27 should take confidence and try.
03:30 And, you know, although I did read a Gransnet survey
03:34 that said something like 70% of women over a certain age
03:38 feel invisible in the workplace over 50, which is appalling.
03:42 So hopefully this will do somewhat to combat it.
03:46 And hopefully-
03:47 - It is really good that actually there was a whole time
03:50 where women over, and it's even over your 30s, isn't it?
03:54 I don't know what the certain age is that we talk about,
03:56 but actually there are some actresses now,
03:58 we could name quite a few, who are in their 70s,
04:01 perhaps even in their 80s, and just doing fantastic things.
04:04 And I don't feel like that would necessarily,
04:06 they might have been cast as an evil witch
04:08 about to die before,
04:09 but not sort of really strong, powerful characters.
04:12 And that is good.
04:13 I don't think it's quite changed enough,
04:15 but I mean, women are still paid less than men, aren't they?
04:18 They're still less likely to get promotions
04:20 or cut the boards and the chief execs.
04:22 They're still not women.
04:23 It's still not equal.
04:23 So actually, yeah, maybe I should be more supportive
04:27 of people like Kim Cattrall.
04:29 'Cause I think every little does help
04:30 when there is so much negativity and everybody feels it
04:35 in terms of, do I look the right way?
04:36 Do I dress the right way?
04:37 Oh, is my makeup right?
04:38 Am I spending enough on clothes?
04:40 So for them to come out fighting.
04:42 I wonder if they do think they're coming out fighting
04:43 or if they just have bills to pay.
04:45 - No, I think they definitely come out fighting.
04:47 And when we were talking about it,
04:49 I just thought about Madonna.
04:51 I mean, I've ranted before about Madonna
04:53 and I continue to rant about Madonna.
04:56 - Every day, Marina, every day.
04:57 - Every day, every day.
04:59 Because obviously when she fell ill, it was like,
05:02 oh my God, Madonna, should she be doing her celebration tour?
05:05 And of course Mick Jagger can do what he wants.
05:08 He struts on stage.
05:10 But again, it's just sexism again.
05:13 - Well, it is.
05:14 And let's be honest, all these women are moms
05:16 who are the most powerful influential role model
05:19 in their children's life.
05:20 As every mom is, there's no discussion around it.
05:23 And yet they're written off.
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