Today host Kelly is joined by a very special guest ex-England international and star of Harlequins club rugby, Shaunagh Brown. Shaunagh is an inspiring individual and comes to The Reset Room to talk about the importance of 'taking up your space'.
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00:02 - Hello, I'm Kelly Crichton and this is the Reset Room.
00:04 We're here to give you the tools you need to succeed
00:07 and answer your questions on your journey to fulfillment.
00:10 I'm very pleased to say I'll be joined by an expert
00:12 each week to look at specific areas of personal challenge
00:15 and how best to approach it.
00:17 Today, we're talking about how you can take up your space,
00:20 whatever that might be.
00:21 If you missed the last episode, you can catch up now.
00:24 Professor Brendan Stubbs joined me to discuss
00:26 physical actions to improve the mind.
00:29 It was a really fascinating chat as Brendan is a leader
00:32 in research around physical activity, mental health,
00:35 and the mind-body interface.
00:37 Some of the research and statistics he shared with us
00:39 were really eye-opening about just how important it is
00:43 to be physically active.
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01:07 But back to today, I am very pleased to say
01:09 I am joined by a very special guest,
01:11 ex-England Rugby International
01:13 and current Harlequins star, Shona Brown,
01:16 who's here to talk all about her career
01:18 and how she's got to where she is today.
01:20 And in particular, we're going to look at
01:22 an important message she shares,
01:23 which is that you have the right to take up your space,
01:26 whatever that might be.
01:28 Hi Shona, thanks for being here.
01:30 I know you've been traveling,
01:31 so I hope you're not too tired
01:32 and we're not interrupting your much needed rest.
01:35 - Hey, Cillie, it's all part of the fun and games, right?
01:37 Keeping busy, if I'm not happy.
01:40 So, if you're not happy, be busy, get up and get going.
01:44 - Jet lag is the price we pay
01:45 for nice destinations, isn't it?
01:47 Yeah.
01:49 So I let Shona tell you her backstory herself,
01:52 but I just wanted to point out that
01:54 Shona is a top female athlete,
01:57 having played in four Six Nations Championships,
02:00 as well as winning 30 caps for England.
02:02 And obviously you're still playing professionally
02:04 with Harlequins, but it's not always been plain sailing
02:07 and you didn't have the most conventional route
02:09 to your current career.
02:11 So would you please just tell us about yourself
02:13 and how you've got to where you are today?
02:18 I mean, like take as long as you like.
02:20 - Wow, I'll take up the whole podcast talking about that.
02:22 So much in such a short space of time.
02:25 So essentially I started, well, I'd say my story,
02:29 my story started in being the only girl amongst boy cousins.
02:34 So I was very much a tomboy.
02:35 And even now I'd identify as a tomboy.
02:38 I'm always in track suit.
02:39 I generally don't really care too much
02:41 about what I look like.
02:42 I'm just sort of always busy, always active,
02:44 always dirty as well.
02:46 And it's just like, now I have to do my own washing.
02:48 That's a game changer.
02:50 But I climb in trees, racing, fighting the boys,
02:53 whatever it was, that's where I've come from.
02:56 And that's led into me always wanting to do sport,
02:59 always wanting to be active.
03:01 And so my first sort of organized sport I got into
03:03 was athletics age 12.
03:05 And I was in that until the age of 24, 25
03:10 and went to, I've been to a World Juniors,
03:13 a World Youth Games, European Juniors,
03:16 Commonwealth Youth Games.
03:17 - Amazing.
03:17 - And I finished my athletics career
03:20 by competing at the Commonwealth Games in 2014
03:23 in Scotland.
03:25 - Oh, amazing.
03:26 - Yeah, so I represented England in a hammer throw
03:28 and made it to the final.
03:30 And then essentially just fell out of love with the sport
03:33 and it was never anything I was paid to do.
03:35 And there was never ever gonna be a chance
03:38 of sort of a career, particularly in the throws,
03:42 let alone as a female and not like throwing world distances.
03:47 Yeah, it's pretty decent.
03:48 Commonwealth Games, that's pretty cool.
03:50 But I wasn't challenging world records.
03:53 And in that event, you only sort of get paid
03:56 or can make it a career
03:57 is if you're challenging for those world records.
04:00 - But isn't it one of those things though,
04:02 that if you've got the financial support
04:04 to spend all day, every day training,
04:06 then maybe you would be,
04:07 but that's hindsight as well, isn't it?
04:10 So I can understand why you were maybe like ready
04:12 for a change then, yeah.
04:14 - Yeah, and so I always had jobs alongside that.
04:16 And my main adult job,
04:19 particularly while I'm competing in athletics
04:22 was British Gas.
04:23 I was British Gas engineer,
04:24 heating, installation and servicing.
04:27 And they supported me right through my journey.
04:29 So actually mentioning the fact that
04:31 if I was training full time,
04:32 I was pretty much training full time
04:34 because I had so much from British Gas.
04:36 - Oh, that's great.
04:37 - And I was only working three days a week.
04:40 And I was only being paid for three days a week,
04:42 but they supported me in that.
04:44 And they said I could do it
04:45 and just supported me as a human being, essentially.
04:50 I say, made it to Commonwealth Games
04:51 and then I thought, oh, I'm not loving it anymore.
04:55 Like I love something to be involved
04:57 and particularly to not be paid, I need to love it.
05:00 So retired from athletics.
05:02 And I actually told myself I was gonna be a normal person.
05:05 I was gonna go to work.
05:06 I was gonna come home, have a dinner, watch TV,
05:08 go to bed, wake up and do it again the next day.
05:11 That's what normal people do, right?
05:12 And that lasted about two weeks.
05:14 (laughing)
05:17 Far, it was far more exciting things to do in life.
05:20 - Yeah, absolutely.
05:22 - So then I thought about, well, what's next?
05:25 And aged 24, sort of going on 25,
05:31 I thought rugby, I've seen it around.
05:33 I don't really know anything about it.
05:34 I've seen it about, I know women do it
05:37 and it's quite rough and ready and pretty much me.
05:41 I did a little taster session a couple of years back
05:44 and it was lots of wrestling, lots of fighting.
05:47 It was fantastic.
05:48 And I thought, wow, this is a space for me
05:51 to maybe look at eventually.
05:52 So yeah, just rocked up at my local rugby club,
05:55 just saying, can I join in?
05:57 And they said, yeah, of course you can.
05:58 And aged 25, I had my first game of rugby,
06:03 15 a side game.
06:06 And less than two years later,
06:08 I was running out for England.
06:09 And got my first game. - That's amazing.
06:11 - Call it the first appearance for England
06:13 by November, 2017.
06:15 And yeah, the journey just still continues.
06:19 - And so over the years, Shona,
06:20 like you've got very active in talking about the issues
06:25 that have affected you and that you've seen in women's sport,
06:28 things like social, gender and racial equality.
06:33 Will you talk to us a little bit about those as well
06:35 and what your experience of that was?
06:38 - Yeah, so growing up, I was in a primary school
06:42 and secondary school in Southeast London
06:44 and colour was a part of everyday life.
06:47 Colour was a part of education, upbringing
06:50 and colour, not skin colour, but as in just difference.
06:54 And people, whether it is different skin colour,
06:56 maybe it's different hair types, different accents,
06:58 different languages, different clothing,
07:00 different personalities.
07:01 For me, that was very normal.
07:04 The fact in one classroom of 30 kids,
07:07 there might be five or six languages spoken
07:09 and sometimes speak to each other.
07:11 And that was just what it is.
07:13 It's not them trying to isolate me
07:15 'cause I only speak English.
07:16 It's just them doing their thing.
07:18 So I grew up with that.
07:19 And then I moved out to Gillingham in Kent
07:21 and I realised that that's not the country,
07:26 that's not the UK.
07:28 And actually it was just fortunate that I was born
07:31 in that part of London in that time,
07:35 that I had so much difference around me.
07:37 So then I'm thinking, how do I still be me?
07:42 And if I'd grown up in Gillingham,
07:45 I've no doubt I'd have been a different person,
07:47 even today, a person who didn't really know who I was,
07:51 I would say, because there was not much,
07:53 even in terms of getting certain hair products for my hair
07:56 or certain cuts of meat, let alone seasoning for that meat.
08:00 Like you can't get some things in this area
08:03 and I still have to go to certain parts of London to get it.
08:07 And that applies to a lot of the UK.
08:10 So it was like, how do I encourage the person
08:15 who potentially has grown up in this world
08:19 as in the not London, the not Manchester,
08:22 the not Liverpools, to be themselves,
08:26 whatever themselves is,
08:28 and to have the strength and the courage,
08:30 even if you are different to the majority,
08:33 you don't have to follow them.
08:35 You can be their friends,
08:36 you can be around them.
08:38 It's not about making everyone the same,
08:40 it's about celebrating difference.
08:41 And there's just a sort of a period a few years ago,
08:45 and I just said to myself, like, who am I?
08:47 If you take away rugby, if you look at my Instagram,
08:50 you take away all of my rugby pictures,
08:52 what do I stand for?
08:54 And at that point, I just said, I'm not sure.
08:57 And even though I knew what I stood for,
09:00 I just wasn't projecting it out.
09:02 And so I started making a conscious effort
09:04 to be more verbal, not necessarily outspoken,
09:07 because I'm just saying what I think for me,
09:08 that's outspoken.
09:10 And if it's different, then fine,
09:12 but we need to have a dialogue about this.
09:14 And here's the reasons why I don't agree
09:16 with what you're saying,
09:17 and here's reasons why I do.
09:18 And equally, just remembering that
09:21 that then doesn't mean we can't be friends.
09:23 Don't have to, everyone has to be the same to be friends.
09:26 You don't have to agree with each other
09:27 all the time to be friends.
09:28 You can just have debates, have conversations,
09:31 and still find a common interest,
09:33 whether it's rugby, whether it's your school,
09:35 whether it's a subject you like,
09:37 it's about finding the common interest
09:39 and just trying to enable people to be their selves
09:43 in the toughest environments, socially.
09:46 - And celebrating that difference, isn't it?
09:48 And do you think that that's something
09:51 that needs to be sort of instilled in younger people?
09:54 I suppose we're talking about women
09:55 maybe a little bit more today than men.
09:58 Do you find that that's an important thing
10:00 to get through to younger girls?
10:02 Or do you feel like, you've said it's in recent times,
10:05 you've kind of had almost like this,
10:07 reassessing your own identity
10:10 and what you want to project into the world.
10:14 Do you think that that can be done at any stage in life,
10:16 or it's really important to get young people
10:18 to think like that?
10:20 - So overall, I think it can be done at any stage.
10:23 I think it's most beneficial to do it at an earlier stage
10:28 because the earlier you do it,
10:30 the more you can enjoy life as yourself
10:33 because life is so much more fun when you are yourself
10:36 and it's so much more relaxed
10:37 when you don't have to constantly think about,
10:39 I wonder what that person's gonna think
10:41 about the outfit that I'm wearing.
10:43 I wonder what that person's gonna think
10:44 about how I've got my hair.
10:46 When actually, if you like what you're wearing,
10:48 it's nobody else's business.
10:50 And particularly if you don't ask,
10:52 like don't let them tell you, they say, oh.
10:54 And they say, I'm not sure about the outfit.
10:56 Like Maris wants to be, I didn't ask.
10:58 So let's work on that.
11:00 - Good point.
11:02 - But sometimes equally,
11:03 and I feel like only women would get this.
11:06 So I look a certain way, like positively,
11:10 and like I've dressed up, I've made an effort, right?
11:12 Rare, few and far between, I've made an effort.
11:14 And someone will say, oh, like I really,
11:17 particularly like I'm straight.
11:19 So when a man says to me, I really like,
11:20 you look really good today.
11:22 And depending what mood I'm in,
11:23 I still might say, I didn't ask.
11:26 Because I don't need your validation.
11:30 I don't need you to tell me I look good.
11:32 I know I look good.
11:33 I've spent at least 20 minutes getting ready today.
11:35 (laughing)
11:37 I know I look good.
11:38 And some people say, particularly men will say,
11:41 I'm not sure, like I don't know what to do.
11:44 I can't compliment people.
11:46 Well, just don't say anything.
11:47 Or just talk about me as a person
11:49 and or maybe talk about my outfit,
11:51 but say like, I really like your outfit.
11:52 Where'd you get it from?
11:53 Or what inspired you to wear that today?
11:55 Or if it's, so there's certain outfits I have
11:58 that I've had sent over from Nigeria, made in Nigeria.
12:01 Like speak to me about, ask me about the outfit,
12:03 not just how I look in it.
12:04 Because I didn't ask.
12:07 - Do you feel like they're more commenting
12:09 on the fact that you made an effort
12:10 rather than how you actually look or whatever?
12:13 You know, I remember that as, like you,
12:16 I was, I had five brothers, you know,
12:19 so I was a real tomboy as well.
12:21 And I remember wearing a skirt when I was like one day,
12:25 when I was like 12 or 13.
12:26 And the whole place nearly like fell apart.
12:28 They were like, oh my God, Kelly's in a skirt.
12:30 What's this all about?
12:31 You know, and I remember that so vividly, you know,
12:34 isn't it a shame in a way that like,
12:36 that, you know, we're supposed to just fit
12:39 into these like narrow descriptions
12:42 of what you're meant to be or not be or whatever.
12:44 But yeah, I think, yeah, that rings true.
12:47 So we were talking there about these sort of other issues
12:49 that you've been, you've been particularly vocal about.
12:52 Another one is the body image issue,
12:55 which we talked a little bit about there.
12:57 But also this idea that we talked about earlier,
13:00 that taking up your space.
13:01 So tell us a little bit more about that, Shona,
13:03 like what is your advice to someone?
13:05 I think this is probably applicable in any walk of life,
13:09 you know, whether it's, you know, you're in school
13:13 and you don't feel like you've got the right friends
13:16 or you might be doing a job you don't feel you're seen in
13:19 or you get acknowledged in or in sport like you,
13:22 or, you know, give us some advice around that,
13:25 taking up your space and what you mean by that.
13:28 - Yeah, so again, it's back to the being yourself
13:32 and the celebrating difference and acknowledging
13:36 that particularly in the beginning, when you, Areva,
13:40 you are new to a group, you are new to a job,
13:43 you're new to a new setting.
13:47 Some people like others have to learn who you are
13:51 and learn that, you know, heaven forbid,
13:55 I wear navy blue and black in the same outfit
13:58 and feel the need to comment for the first few days,
14:01 but actually they'll, or rod socks is another one,
14:04 but actually they realize, oh, that's just her.
14:07 Like it's not, it happens so much,
14:10 it's not comment worthy anymore.
14:12 And so I'm then allowed to get on with it and be me,
14:16 but you have to go through that first struggle
14:20 where people do comment and they do have something to say.
14:23 And even again, a big thing for me growing up in jobs
14:27 was hot food at lunchtime.
14:29 So I would always rather have like a hot chicken and rice
14:33 over a sandwich or a wrap or whatever we'll have.
14:37 And then I also noticed that it was generally
14:39 a lot of black people would do that.
14:41 And the white people I work with
14:42 would have the sandwich and wrap.
14:44 So I've then get the comments, oh, like that smells.
14:48 And again, it could be good, but it could be bad.
14:51 As in that smells really good.
14:52 Or what on earth's that smell?
14:53 Or someone like can't you eat that outside?
14:55 Like you're smelling up the whole kitchen or whatever.
14:58 And people say it and they're not,
15:00 like they're not trying to be horrible.
15:01 They're certainly not trying to be racist
15:03 and they're not trying to say,
15:05 oh, you're black, you need to eat outside.
15:07 But it's just, it's just what comes.
15:10 Yeah, it's just-
15:11 - And insensitivity maybe, just a little bit.
15:14 - And understanding the power of their words
15:17 and what they're saying and who they're saying it to.
15:20 And particularly if you're saying it
15:21 to a similar type of person all the time,
15:24 and then don't you realize it's the people of color
15:27 who may be coming in with the hot food
15:29 and you're asking them to all sit together
15:31 as if you can't sit here at your desk
15:33 with us eating our sandwich.
15:34 But then some people would say,
15:35 well, don't eat smelly food.
15:37 But what is smelly food?
15:39 So like it's a whole circle of thoughts
15:40 that always go through my mind.
15:42 And either way, the point is that
15:45 you have to proceed with that
15:47 and you have to keep doing whatever it is
15:49 that's different to what they are used to,
15:52 to then come through the other side
15:55 and people don't even comment anymore.
15:57 And that's then taking your space,
16:00 your space in that room is to yourself
16:04 and even physically like walk into a new room
16:08 and it's like sort of crunched over, head down.
16:11 Oh, I'm the new kid here.
16:13 I'm not gonna say anything in a meeting.
16:15 I'm not gonna have any opinions,
16:16 whether I agree or not,
16:17 I'm just gonna sort of make sure
16:19 I do what everyone else is doing.
16:21 But if you set that path from the beginning,
16:23 if later on you then come out and go,
16:26 do you know what?
16:26 That's a load of nonsense.
16:27 I don't agree.
16:28 That's gonna be a bigger wow
16:30 than actually if you do it from the beginning.
16:32 And then it becomes,
16:33 and even that stuff,
16:35 you then become the person who
16:36 not at all disagrees all the time,
16:40 but challenges and makes other people think.
16:42 - Just going back to the point you were making
16:44 about that sort of like walking into a room
16:46 and taking up your space in a room,
16:47 like you need to be authentic
16:49 and you need to,
16:51 if you walk out that place not doing,
16:54 not being true to yourself,
16:55 then you're just gonna feel worse.
16:56 You're just gonna be,
16:58 have regrets and rather than fear what might happen,
17:02 it's best to be honest with yourself at least,
17:05 whatever about anybody else,
17:07 at least you can kind of live with yourself
17:08 then after that.
17:10 - Yeah, and it will keep getting worse
17:12 if that's the person you project
17:13 but it's not you,
17:14 it's then so much harder to come out as yourself.
17:17 And, but like to the,
17:19 like being there, being tall,
17:22 being seen to be strong
17:24 because like I still brick it a bit
17:26 when I'm giving speeches
17:27 in front of hundreds or thousands of people,
17:29 but nobody else would know that.
17:31 They don't need to know that.
17:32 Like you just have to put this external on
17:34 that says like, I'm brave, I'm strong,
17:37 I should be here and I want to be here
17:40 and you're gonna know my name.
17:41 By the end of this day,
17:42 you're gonna know my name,
17:44 whatever that is.
17:45 - I love that, I love that.
17:46 But recently you've actually become an ambassador
17:49 for Rally International.
17:50 So Rally International organized journeys
17:52 and experiences for young people
17:54 through volunteering in places like Costa Rica
17:56 and South Africa.
17:58 And their aim is to develop young adults
17:59 into global citizens and leaders
18:01 by pushing themselves out of their comfort zone
18:02 and providing challenge.
18:04 And they do this by,
18:05 in sort of sustainable volunteering projects
18:08 where they aim to make positive impacts
18:09 on the community they work in.
18:11 And they're also preparing
18:13 to launch a charitable foundation.
18:14 So tell us about your role there.
18:16 It sounds really cool, really exciting.
18:18 - Yeah, so a lot of what Rally International stands for
18:22 is me and particularly that bit around
18:24 pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone.
18:26 And we've spoken about it for the last 20 minutes
18:29 about taking up your space and being brave.
18:32 But as much as I know that now
18:34 and you know that Kelly,
18:35 it's getting younger people to realize
18:38 that it's worth it.
18:39 And so at this stage,
18:41 like with Rally,
18:43 you have to put yourself there.
18:44 You have to, you know, go on,
18:46 say you're gonna go on a trip, et cetera.
18:47 But once you're on it,
18:48 it's about then making the most of it.
18:51 And as much as like I,
18:54 it's the bit where it's not just a travel company.
18:57 It's not about rich kids giving them money.
19:00 They go and find themselves some wonderful part of the world
19:04 and they come back and they feel fantastic
19:06 'cause they built a school for poor black kids.
19:08 Like that's not Rally International at all.
19:10 It's the emphasis is on the person who is going,
19:14 like they are gonna get as much out of that experience
19:17 as the people that they're going to.
19:19 And yes, they'll help with different projects
19:22 and be around different communities,
19:23 but it's not just about making the British people
19:27 feel good about going
19:28 and feel good about being around poor kids
19:32 and those who are in developing countries.
19:35 And it's like, yeah, I say it's about going
19:38 and getting something yourself
19:39 and putting yourself out of your comfort zone.
19:41 But then the people that you go with,
19:44 so you're probably gonna be around different people
19:46 and particularly that Rally International
19:48 got their foundation.
19:50 So it will raise money for kids like me
19:52 who wouldn't have had that kind of spare money
19:54 or time to go to then be around people who can afford it.
19:57 And then that different dynamic as well,
19:59 and just meeting people
20:00 who are from completely separate bubbles
20:02 because that's always a tribute a lot of my growth to that.
20:05 And realizing that the world I grew up in, it was great.
20:09 I had a fantastic childhood, but that's not it.
20:11 There's so much more, there's a lot worse,
20:14 there's a lot better, there's different,
20:16 but it's just realizing essentially that other people exist
20:19 and other perspective exists
20:21 and the best type of companies and the best boardrooms
20:24 are those who have a variety of people in it.
20:27 - Absolutely, absolutely.
20:28 You can see how Rally International, what they're doing
20:31 and your idea about taking up your space,
20:35 kind of the same thing, isn't it?
20:36 You're taking young people
20:38 who are at that still very formative age
20:40 and then giving them these opportunities to shine
20:42 and to discover themselves and taking them out of,
20:44 I think even leaving home and going somewhere else
20:49 changes you a bit, or it makes you dig deeper
20:53 and find out more about yourself.
20:55 So when you're put in those situations,
20:57 it can be nothing but positive
20:59 because it's sort of make or break
21:01 in a lot of circumstances, isn't it?
21:03 And it means finding out about yourself more
21:07 and the skills that you have
21:08 and what more you can achieve
21:09 when it's left up to you, essentially.
21:12 - Yeah, and it is left up to you
21:14 because you are leaving your parents, your adults,
21:16 your family members behind,
21:18 and you are going by yourself, unless you go with a friend,
21:21 but you've now got to speak up for yourself.
21:24 You've now got to say when you're hungry
21:26 and not just be told it's six o'clock, it's dinner time.
21:29 - Yeah.
21:30 - And you've got to say these things.
21:30 You've got to choose what to wear
21:32 and you'll be surprised at how many young people
21:34 are still so babied as such.
21:37 And even when I'm coaching rugby,
21:39 how many of those kids put their own boots in their bag
21:42 and fill their own water bottles?
21:43 And I ask them and there's not a lot that do it.
21:46 - Oh my God, yeah.
21:47 - And you just, how are you gonna get through life?
21:49 Because then the other thing is the mobile phones.
21:52 So there's no phones.
21:54 - Okay.
21:55 - And it's like that's-
21:57 - Liberating, liberating I imagine.
22:00 - And the amount, but they love it.
22:01 So even when I've spoken to young people
22:02 about the potential of going on an expedition
22:05 and I'll say, but there's no phones,
22:07 they go, sounds great.
22:08 Like they just want an excuse
22:10 or a reason to not have their phone
22:13 because there's so much in society that expects them.
22:15 But if they've got a very cool reason,
22:18 like, sorry, I'm not gonna have my phone for next whole week
22:21 because I'm going on an expedition
22:22 with Rally International to Costa Rica.
22:24 Like that's a pretty cool reason to not have a phone.
22:28 - I feel like Shona, we need to start a campaign
22:29 to get rid of phones, right?
22:31 Okay, we'll do that next podcast, we'll start that, right?
22:34 Thank, we've unfortunately run out of time.
22:36 I'm so disappointed
22:37 'cause I have so many more questions for you,
22:38 but I did want to mention,
22:39 I watched the amazing documentary that you were part of,
22:43 "No Woman, No Try," which is available on Amazon Prime.
22:46 People should check that out.
22:47 I actually worked with Sue Enstis in the past.
22:51 So I was delighted to see her on it as well.
22:53 So yeah, check that out, people.
22:55 It's really great.
22:56 It's about sort of Shona's story
22:58 and some other female players in the England rugby team
23:00 and just the challenges they faced being women in rugby.
23:05 And it's fantastic and eyeopening.
23:07 And we are so grateful to have you here today
23:10 and for sharing your story with us.
23:12 And I'm sure listeners have learned a lot.
23:14 So thank you for that.
23:16 We will be back again next week
23:18 with the final episode of this series.
23:19 We're helping equip you with the tools you need
23:21 on your path to fulfillment.
23:23 Thank you for joining us on this episode of "The Reset Room."
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23:38 "The Reset Room" is produced and hosted by me, Kelly Crichton.
23:40 You can find out more about Shona
23:42 and her project, Rally International,
23:44 by going to their website.
23:46 Thanks for listening.
23:47 And thanks again, Shona.
23:48 Bye-bye.
23:49 - Thank you, bye.
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