Former Gonzaga standout Robert Sacre joins Talking Zags to break down Drew Timme's fit in the NBA, expectations for the Bulldogs in the 2023-24 season and how the game has evolved since his playing career
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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - Gonzaga Nation, another episode of Talking Zags,
00:09 episode four, Adam Morrison and I, your co-hosts,
00:14 bringing season three to you.
00:16 So Adam, let's have you intro our guests today.
00:20 - Rob Zachary, former Gonzaga player, good friend of mine.
00:23 Good to see you, bud. - Good to see you, bud.
00:25 Appreciate you having me, man.
00:27 - Well, Rob, you're always a breath of fresh air
00:29 when you jump into any room or any practice.
00:32 What was it like for you getting to Gonzaga
00:36 and your enthusiasm?
00:38 Did you have to temper yourself
00:40 or did you just come in like a big ball of energy?
00:43 - I think at that point in time,
00:46 we already had a big ball of energy with Pargo.
00:50 So I really didn't have to step into that role right away.
00:55 Pargo was, we had a lot of characters on that early team,
00:59 Heipfeld, Micah Downs, Austin Day.
01:04 So I really could just kind of ease into it.
01:07 And the cool thing I look back at is like,
01:11 Fuey lets you be who you wanna be.
01:13 - Yeah. - And that's the coolest
01:14 part about him.
01:15 He wants you to grow your hair out,
01:17 do whatever you wanna do.
01:18 As long as you buy into the team system,
01:22 you can be who you wanna be on that program.
01:24 - How about the recruiting?
01:25 'Cause you were one of the first kind of Canadian guys
01:28 that came down, they've had a success.
01:30 You, Olenek, Pangos amongst others,
01:33 but what was that recruiting like?
01:35 Because it's hard to make that decision as a young player
01:39 'cause you don't know everything to expect.
01:42 What was it for you?
01:43 - Well, first and foremost,
01:45 I didn't even know where Spokane was,
01:48 I'll be honest with you.
01:49 It was like Gonzaga and Gonzaga,
01:53 who was just coming on the scene at that time
01:56 with Roney and yourself and just starting to hear names
02:00 in the NBA.
02:01 And then I came down on an unofficial
02:04 and that was Adam's breakout year,
02:06 really his crazy year with JP.
02:09 And it was kind of one of those things where
02:13 Gonzaga wasn't in my top five.
02:15 And then after that weekend, I was like,
02:17 this is stupid for me to go in.
02:19 Like everything, Coach Fue had hit every box.
02:22 - Yeah.
02:23 - That I, and I, there was no argument
02:25 to why I shouldn't be here.
02:28 Like we go to the tournament every year,
02:31 your nationalized televised game,
02:33 nationally televised games.
02:36 If you ask him to play somebody,
02:40 he's willing to try to make that happen.
02:42 So it was like, everyone's graduated and got their degree.
02:46 It was like, man, how do I argue with any of these?
02:50 So I kind of just made a decision, not with my heart,
02:54 but more in my mind, like this is the best option for me
02:56 and I'm going to go take it.
02:58 - What were the other schools that recruited you?
03:00 - All the Pac-12 or Pac-10 at the time,
03:03 except for Wazoo and Stanford,
03:07 but I wasn't going to Stanford any time.
03:09 (laughing)
03:10 I'll be the first one to tell you,
03:12 Stanford wasn't going to be there.
03:14 - I don't think any of us are in this panel,
03:16 so let's just be honest.
03:17 - Yeah, Georgetown, Florida.
03:20 LSU, but I just knew I couldn't be west
03:25 or east of the Mississippi.
03:28 It just didn't make sense for me.
03:30 I didn't want to be another guy who transferred.
03:32 And then at that time, you guys know when you transfer,
03:37 it really wasn't, you're transferring equally.
03:41 Gonzaga at the time was probably stepped down from UW,
03:47 I'm sure, and then you guys built something up,
03:51 but you never go from one school to another.
03:54 And that's why it was at that point,
03:57 I think the most important decision of your life.
04:01 And you kind of had to stick with your guns
04:03 with whatever decision you made.
04:04 - Yeah, you can almost like take three opportunities now
04:07 to get it right and still get where you want to be
04:09 at the end of the day.
04:10 - And I'm not a big fan.
04:13 I think that absolutely, if you're being recruited
04:18 by one coach, that coach goes somewhere else.
04:21 Yeah, you have a chance to go somewhere,
04:23 or if the system doesn't work for you, I get that.
04:25 But I don't think guys should be able to just bounce
04:28 from ship to ship to ship and have like three transfers
04:31 in their career.
04:32 That's just, how do you build a culture on that?
04:35 - I wish they would keep, if you transferred, I agree.
04:38 If the coach leaves, you should get a free waiver.
04:41 You can be eligible.
04:42 I think if you transfer, you have to sit out of here.
04:45 That was the greatest thing for me ever.
04:47 I know you had a red shirt year with an injury.
04:50 That year where you don't get to play,
04:52 if you really love it, you're going to work through
04:55 every scenario possible to get better.
04:57 - No, I fully, completely agree.
05:00 And now let's just call it the elephant in the room.
05:03 There's money involved.
05:04 So if I'm, if let's say I'm going to a donor and saying,
05:08 hey, or we need some money towards a player,
05:13 you know, with all the new deals,
05:16 I'm going to want that player to stay.
05:20 If I'm bucking up all this money to keep a player,
05:22 then I don't want him to just go jump ship the next day.
05:26 How does that work?
05:27 I don't know, that's out of my pay grade,
05:29 but at the same time, there needs to be accountability.
05:33 And these kids need to know,
05:34 hey, people are coughing up money
05:36 and they don't know where that money's coming from,
05:38 but people are coughing up a lot of money
05:40 for you to go to this school.
05:41 So you can't just jump ship now.
05:43 - Yeah.
05:44 Yeah, it kind of turns into, you know,
05:47 semi-professional where, you know,
05:49 the way you view college athletes
05:51 and the way you can criticize them really changes
05:55 because they can jump ship.
05:56 And then it kind of turns into a system where it's,
05:59 you know, a little bit unfair with the football schools
06:03 and then the schools that don't have that much money.
06:05 So I'm curious to see how it's going to work
06:07 in the next five years.
06:09 Obviously you cover the team a little bit.
06:13 What is your biggest things you're looking for this year?
06:18 Obviously we have a ton of new players,
06:20 but like, who do you think is going to have a breakout year?
06:23 Just give me your thoughts on this year's team.
06:25 - I think with this year's team,
06:27 unlike the past, we have, like you said,
06:32 a ton of new guys.
06:34 So with that being said,
06:36 Phewy has a little bit of pressure,
06:38 but I think a lot of colleges around the country
06:42 are at the same level.
06:43 They have a bunch of new guys on their roster, new faces.
06:47 So everyone's starting kind of at the same level.
06:50 I think Anton, to me, he was the most improved last year.
06:56 - Yeah, I agree.
06:57 - I thought he was like,
06:58 the way he improved from the beginning of the season
07:01 to the end,
07:02 I hope he still has some more growth within his game.
07:06 And I think I really want him to be really aggressive
07:10 on the offensive end,
07:11 look for his shots a little bit more within the offense.
07:14 I think that's going to be huge.
07:16 But again, it's a bunch of new faces.
07:19 So I don't know, how do you blend that all in?
07:22 I think it's going to be a lot of weight on Anton's shoulders
07:26 as the senior, as your senior leader,
07:28 you got to kind of hone that in and get that together.
07:31 - Yeah, it's curious.
07:33 It's probably the first year in a long time
07:36 that we had legitimate question marks
07:38 on who's going to score the ball.
07:40 What's the lineup's going to be like?
07:43 I mean, in the last three years,
07:44 you knew, okay, you're going to throw it to Drew.
07:46 You know what I mean?
07:47 But this year, it legitimately is like,
07:50 we don't know what's going to happen.
07:51 It's going to be fun to watch,
07:52 but it's like, our lineup can change game to game.
07:56 - Right.
07:56 - Just about the depth that we have.
07:58 - And then the Zag fans are freaking out.
08:00 Like, oh man, you know,
08:02 these guys are, we don't know how to compete.
08:05 Or like, these guys, did we get the right pieces?
08:07 We don't have a center or whatever.
08:09 I think we're going to be really fast.
08:12 I think we're going to be extremely fast, up-tempo.
08:16 Coach Pheu always wants to play, even with bigs,
08:18 he wants to play up-tempo, up-fast, go.
08:20 I could see us being almost five out.
08:25 I don't, I'm not sure.
08:26 - Small ball a little bit.
08:27 - Yeah.
08:28 I can see us playing that style of play.
08:30 Maybe Anton at the five every once in a while,
08:33 depending on our matchups.
08:35 But it's going to be, like you said,
08:38 there's a huge question mark on how's this team going to be?
08:42 What are we going to look like at the end of the year?
08:44 But I think that's all on Coach Pheu, in a way,
08:46 make that happen.
08:47 - Yeah.
08:48 He's one of the best in the country,
08:49 like going in with a blank slate
08:52 and then just figuring out in a non-conference.
08:54 I know you've been to practices early in the season
08:57 and then a month later, the team looks completely different.
09:00 Because he's tweaked one or two things
09:02 and all of a sudden it's like, wow.
09:04 That's why he's one of the best coaches to ever do it.
09:07 When you look at your career, you were an interior five.
09:12 But now you're looking at the evolution of the game.
09:14 Chet was here.
09:16 He's at a basically do-it-all five
09:18 and now Wenbin Yama in the NBA, do-it-all five.
09:21 - Gotta be.
09:22 - What would the challenges be for you in this game,
09:25 in this day and age?
09:27 - I look at this game like, man,
09:31 I remember being taught at 12, you only have three dribbles.
09:35 You only have three dribbles and that's back,
09:39 back someone down and that's about it, right?
09:42 Now guys are able to handle and move the ball.
09:47 It's a completely, I think the game is gonna start
09:50 to evolve back into bigs.
09:52 I think now Curry's kind of fading away.
09:56 Not fading, but getting older in his career
10:00 and now you're seeing a number of bigs coming in,
10:04 but they're super skilled.
10:05 They're extremely skilled.
10:07 Jokic is now the pedicle of what everybody wants.
10:10 And I think looking back, I would have worked
10:13 on my handles a lot more if I knew it was gonna be
10:16 like this type of game.
10:18 And it's crazy to see the evolution.
10:22 I told my son now, no, no, no, no, no.
10:25 You're not just dribbling back.
10:26 You need to face up.
10:27 You need to have, you need to work
10:29 on your handles consistently and pass
10:32 and be able to do everything.
10:34 Whereas I think back in the day,
10:35 especially when you were playing,
10:37 like you had what a six, 10 power forward
10:41 who was probably 250 at the time.
10:43 And a center that was close to 300 pounds, seven feet.
10:47 And that was, you had two guys on the block
10:50 and they were just, the lane was not even open.
10:54 - Look at it, like we had plays, my rookie year in the NBA,
10:57 we had like hot cut to then cross screens.
11:00 And I would go back and think through the game.
11:03 Like there's no space for anybody.
11:06 There would be, sometimes it'd be screen to screener action.
11:08 There'd be six guys in the paint.
11:12 There's no space for anybody.
11:13 - Floppy.
11:14 - Yeah, floppy action.
11:14 - Running floppy action.
11:16 You know, two guys are on the block.
11:19 They're setting a pin down and they're popping right out.
11:22 And now you're just trying to navigate high, low
11:25 or whatever, and you're like, it's just a completely,
11:28 the evolution has changed.
11:29 And now the European style has definitely changed that.
11:33 You know, positionalist basketball,
11:37 you might have one center, but other than that,
11:41 yeah, it's just a, it's a crazy way
11:43 of looking at the game now.
11:44 It's just a completely different than what I grew up in.
11:48 - Yeah, I know you mentioned coach Fuse,
11:49 one of the, does a great job with kind of tweaking things.
11:53 Where do you think he's gotten the best at?
11:55 From remembering how you were coached as a player
11:59 to now seeing what he does.
12:01 - Oh, I think he's changed dramatically.
12:04 I think he's changed dramatically.
12:05 I think he's relaxed.
12:07 And I will say that to his face.
12:08 He's relaxed dramatically.
12:11 I think now being able to compete and being in the finals
12:15 and he knows what it takes to get to the finals
12:18 and everything, I think he's gotten that monkey
12:19 off his back a little bit.
12:21 So I think he's kind of been, he's settled.
12:25 He knows how to run it, like run this program to a T.
12:30 And I think his time management with practices,
12:37 kind of him being with the NBA players,
12:41 now being with the US team and everything,
12:43 he kind of manages his practices
12:45 a little bit more efficiently.
12:46 That's how I feel.
12:48 And I think it's really paid off.
12:51 You can see guys have more legs, they're just more,
12:54 oh man, we've had two and a half, three hour practices
12:58 when we were there.
12:58 And then you're just trying to stretch
13:02 and do whatever for the game the next day.
13:04 Now you can see those guys are more energetic
13:07 and everything like that.
13:08 I think he just managed his practices
13:11 and his game management a lot differently.
13:14 - Do you want me to excrabulate on that
13:16 or whatever the word is?
13:16 - Yeah, whatever you want.
13:17 'Cause you had practices, so you've seen it from both sides.
13:19 - I mean, obviously, offensively,
13:22 we've been way more dynamic than what we used to be
13:25 as far as our wave action and then dribble handoff.
13:29 It's a pro style.
13:30 So you've seen some of the Gonzaga guys
13:33 that go into the NBA now, they're more used to that system
13:36 and it's easier for them to fit.
13:38 So I think him opening up his mind
13:41 and kind of his playbook and learning from other coaches
13:46 is something that he probably,
13:48 not saying he didn't do, but probably wasn't offered,
13:50 but didn't accept it as much before when we were playing.
13:54 And then I think Rob hit it on the head.
13:56 It's a very good point if you really think about it.
13:58 We used to have three hour practices
14:00 and it wasn't like you're complaining
14:02 that you're on the floor, but practice would be at three
14:06 and we would start at 345.
14:08 And when you're just out there on your legs,
14:10 that wears on you.
14:11 And so I think, like you said,
14:13 being around professional coaches and then professionals,
14:17 it's not like a demand thing, but it's like,
14:19 hey, if we're here, let's get going.
14:20 Let's go intense for an hour and a half, two hours,
14:23 get off the floor, your body's last.
14:25 So I think he's done an excellent job
14:27 of kind of just allowing himself to be more modern.
14:31 Relax is a good point,
14:32 but I think just opening up himself personality-wise,
14:36 playbook-wise.
14:38 - You're not running crack down.
14:39 - Yeah, you're not running-
14:40 - You're running flex.
14:41 You guys, how many of you think about-
14:43 - I still know crack down big,
14:46 the flex switch counters like the back of my hand.
14:48 - Right, we would dry run flex and the counters to flex.
14:52 And I mean, we did that over and over and over.
14:57 And so to look now and see,
15:01 I remember being envious of other teams
15:03 and being like, man, they don't run.
15:05 (laughing)
15:07 Why can't we run that style?
15:08 And to see how they play now, it's like,
15:11 I'm envious of them.
15:13 To see how they get to just kind of have
15:15 a free flowing offense in a way, it's-
15:17 - Well, I love the fact that as a ball handler,
15:19 like how many pick and rolls those guards come off now.
15:23 And like for Adam, like he would come off dribble handoffs
15:27 and he could read a screen.
15:28 So he would have all he could eat coming off of,
15:31 okay, he jumps early, he back cuts.
15:33 Or he just pushes them through, step back,
15:35 he gets fade players off the DHO.
15:38 You would have dribble handoff keeps
15:40 and just turn a corner 'cause you're smart
15:42 and you'd figure it out.
15:43 Like the options are crazy.
15:45 - The options are there.
15:46 And I just remember we would have to like,
15:49 it was, you just have to make reads
15:51 within the flex offense.
15:53 And then it was like, and then again,
15:56 from a lot of us, it's easy,
15:58 but there were some guys that had,
16:00 would struggle within that offense and not know how,
16:04 they wouldn't know their place
16:05 or wouldn't know where to be.
16:07 Some weren't shooters, so they couldn't just be
16:10 out there in the corner, be able to shoot.
16:13 And so I think the way he's transferred
16:15 and modified his game to what the game is now,
16:20 it's really cool to see at that point.
16:22 - Okay, so we're gonna go a little personal thing.
16:24 It's nothing crazy.
16:25 You're going to be a high school coach this year.
16:28 Congratulations.
16:30 How nervous are you just to start the season?
16:33 Because coaching is different.
16:34 I've never, I've helped out at that level.
16:36 I've coached AU teams, but it's a different.
16:40 - There's a pressure.
16:41 - There's a pressure.
16:42 And then when you go to games, like as a player,
16:44 you know what you're going to bring.
16:45 As a coach, you're always like,
16:46 man, I should have done this more.
16:48 Are we really prepared?
16:50 So how do you feel, just give us your thoughts
16:52 on like going into a season.
16:53 You guys start in about two weeks, probably.
16:54 - Two weeks, we got meetings.
16:56 I just had my first coaches meeting last week.
16:59 I'm excited.
17:02 I'm really excited based on the talent we have.
17:05 Now it's on me to make that work.
17:08 That's the pressure where I have to deal with of,
17:11 okay, how do I get these guys, these young guys,
17:15 who all at that point in time, you know,
17:18 we're all thinking we're the man.
17:20 We're all thinking, so how do we hone that in
17:23 and make that a team atmosphere and hone that in
17:26 to wanting, knowing that discipline
17:30 is what wins games at the end of the day.
17:33 Being disciplined to not take that good shot,
17:36 but look for a great shot.
17:37 - Discipline and organize real quick.
17:39 At the high school level, you win half your games.
17:41 - Absolutely.
17:42 - You just do, right?
17:43 - Absolutely.
17:44 So that to me is my biggest focus on that.
17:48 There's going to be pressure, you know,
17:49 there's parents that think their kids
17:51 should be playing more.
17:53 - Don't let the parents run the ship.
17:55 - No, you can't, you can't.
17:56 And you know, there's definitely some,
18:01 I think in the past, I don't know very,
18:05 I'm looking at North Central as a clean slate,
18:07 but there's not a stigma, I wouldn't say,
18:10 but they haven't accomplished anything.
18:13 - They haven't had much success.
18:15 It's just the real deal.
18:16 - They haven't accomplished.
18:17 So to build a winning program, it's going to take time.
18:22 And there's going to be a lot of trust
18:25 that those guys need to trust in me.
18:26 They, I know what I'm talking about and vice versa.
18:31 I need to trust them in helping them buy in
18:33 to this idea of what I want this program to be.
18:36 - Well, it's awesome that you're doing it.
18:38 And I know you love coaching.
18:40 So I think it's a great opportunity for you,
18:42 but especially for those kids and that school
18:46 that has talent to get, learn like a Zag culture.
18:51 You know, we don't know everything,
18:54 but we know how to win.
18:55 We've been around winning, you have as well.
18:58 And hopefully that can, you know, bleed onto the players
19:02 and they can have some more success.
19:03 So I'll be rooting for you.
19:05 - Yeah, I appreciate it.
19:06 - No, I'm looking forward to it as well
19:08 because my son will play against the teams
19:10 that you coach. - I know, I know.
19:12 You guys are right now at the top of the mountain.
19:16 That's where we're aspiring.
19:18 You guys are disciplined.
19:20 I like how you guys played.
19:22 I've seen a couple of games and everything.
19:25 - They run the old Gonzaga actions,
19:27 90 and all that stuff.
19:28 - They run some of that, yeah.
19:29 - A lot of it, yeah.
19:30 Anyway, sorry.
19:31 - No, and so that is, in my mind,
19:34 that's how we have to, we have to be disciplined
19:37 like you guys.
19:38 And if we can hone in on that, and like you said,
19:41 50% of it is just being disciplined.
19:44 And if we can grasp that concept and grasp being,
19:49 and I'm a defensive coach, I was a defensive player,
19:52 I'm gonna be a defensive coach.
19:54 If we can grasp buying into defense,
19:57 then I think we have a really great shot.
19:59 Even state, I think we could do it,
20:02 but they have to buy in.
20:04 - So obviously we've talked a little bit about Coach Pheu
20:06 and his adjustments he's made.
20:08 You played for a lot of really good coaches
20:11 at the professional level.
20:13 When you're putting together your own thoughts,
20:16 how do you do that?
20:17 Or is it kind of, you have a big ball of things,
20:21 but you don't know until you go through practice?
20:23 - Ironically, we talk about playing big.
20:27 I got two tall guys on my team,
20:29 and I look at it like back in the day,
20:32 maybe 10 years ago, I would have ran Eagle,
20:34 high, low, power play,
20:36 but that's a different style now.
20:38 I can't believe, I wanna be more fluid, open,
20:43 but again, I'm hoping they're disciplined enough
20:47 to make the right reads.
20:49 That's where I have to teach them.
20:51 There's, I'm gonna give you the cornerstones
20:54 of this offense, but you have to,
20:57 it's a free flowing offense.
21:00 That's what I wanna be playing as.
21:02 That being said, there's things that you gotta grasp
21:08 within that offense that I'm hoping they can buy in,
21:12 and then we can see where we go.
21:14 I hope I hit that question right,
21:17 but I'm going into it with an idea of,
21:20 this is how we're gonna run things,
21:22 but I know at the same time,
21:24 I have to be dynamic enough to be able to adjust
21:27 within the season if it doesn't work out.
21:29 - At the professional level,
21:30 who is the best coach you maybe played for?
21:33 And Adam, I'd love to hear yours.
21:35 I know you played for some good coaches too.
21:37 - I enjoyed playing for Mike Brown.
21:39 At the time, I heard he had gone from 45 minute practices
21:47 and being coach of the year with 45 minute practices
21:51 to losing his job, and then he came to the Lakers,
21:54 and what I heard was, then we had two hour,
21:57 two hour practices, and he was super on point
22:02 with everything, every detail, all that,
22:04 and kind of did a 180 with us.
22:07 Didn't last very long.
22:08 Great, I enjoyed playing for him,
22:11 and he was a great coach.
22:12 He was the one who drafted me.
22:14 Then we went a complete 180 with Dan Toney,
22:17 who was, we were 45 minutes in the gym, let's go.
22:21 - Never talk defense is what I was told.
22:23 - Never talks defense ever.
22:25 We have to kind of figure out our defense on our own,
22:28 and just wants to run and gun, and then Byron,
22:31 you know, you played for Byron.
22:33 - Yeah, those are three hour practices with sprints.
22:36 - With just run, just running.
22:38 So I definitely pulled a bunch of different stuff
22:42 from all those different coaches,
22:44 but my biggest thing for me, and I want to be,
22:48 my coach, I don't want to be in there for,
22:51 I don't want to be in the gym for hours.
22:52 That's not, like, I want to be in, sharp,
22:56 let's be crisp while we're there,
22:58 and let's get out of here.
22:59 I want to save your legs, I want to,
23:00 and if you want to get shots up,
23:02 I'll help you get shots up after practice,
23:04 but right now, let's focus on what we need to do at hand,
23:07 in and out, let's go.
23:09 - Phil Jackson or Larry Brown, who would you take?
23:11 - Wait, how did you,
23:13 Larry Brown? (laughing)
23:15 - Larry Brown's the coach at UW this year.
23:17 Did you catch that one? - I heard that, no.
23:18 - Yes. - Not the head coach,
23:20 but he's an assistant, yeah.
23:22 - Really? - Mm-hmm.
23:23 I think he's like 82, still coaching.
23:25 Hall of Famer, obviously, he's a good coach,
23:27 but yeah, Phil Jackson was the best
23:29 I ever played for, obviously.
23:31 - Just the whole mindset, like, preparation?
23:34 - He's the best manager I've ever played for,
23:37 if that makes sense.
23:39 Obviously, the triangle's what it is,
23:41 but there's smarter X's and O's guys
23:45 that can do stuff on the fly.
23:47 He obviously had a system,
23:48 but he was the best at managing just personalities,
23:52 the team focus, I mean, everybody's seen the last dance,
23:55 it was no different.
23:56 The meditation stuff was real,
24:00 he did the, you'd have practices
24:02 where everybody was involved.
24:05 It's a different style, and that's why it worked.
24:08 He just brings the tenor of the pressure down a level,
24:12 because every place he's been at has been expectations,
24:15 obviously Los Angeles, and then when you get Michael Jordan.
24:18 So he does a good job of bringing that anxiety down
24:22 as a unit, and then making guys work as a unit,
24:25 and then allowing people to be themselves.
24:28 It's hard to do in the pros, you know what I'm saying?
24:30 'Cause guys have so many different distractions
24:32 and so many things to get everybody to be on the same page,
24:35 but still feel like you're not bound by just pressure
24:40 or whatever, he was the best at that, it's not even close.
24:44 - When he always had huge personalities.
24:46 - I know.
24:47 - Like Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, you guys both played with Kobe.
24:49 I never had a true suit, well, I guess Dirk was,
24:53 but I was a short stint with Dallas.
24:55 He was the head and shoulders best player
24:57 I was a teammate with.
24:59 Paul Pierce was close second.
25:01 How much did those guys actually stand out?
25:06 I guess Kobe.
25:07 - The room changed.
25:08 - Yeah.
25:09 - The room would be different, like even the gym.
25:13 We'd have one certain practice, 'cause at the end,
25:18 you had him in his prime, prime, but at the end of,
25:23 like he was just saving his legs a lot,
25:25 so he didn't practice that much with us,
25:27 but when he did, the whole atmosphere of the gym
25:32 was completely different.
25:35 It was like, we're not messing around,
25:38 there's no goofing off, there's no, like there is,
25:42 it is, I'm going to eat your lunch type deal.
25:46 I'm in it, it was like, it was a ruthless atmosphere
25:51 as soon as he came in and he just brought an intensity
25:56 that you can't, it's hard to match with anyone else.
26:00 That was for me, I knew that, it was impressive.
26:03 And then on the flip side, I had Nash,
26:06 who was a very upbeat, like, you know,
26:10 everybody buy in, all that type of stuff,
26:13 so it was kind of crazy to see the two different styles
26:18 of like leadership.
26:21 - Drew Timmy is kind of like that Kobe figure
26:23 at Gonzaga the last couple of years.
26:25 Like, he kind of directed a lot of the personality
26:30 and the energy in the room.
26:31 He got waved from the Bucks.
26:35 - Wild.
26:35 - I think he's going to find his way at some point.
26:38 It might take a little longer than the Zag fan hopes,
26:41 but he'll find a way.
26:43 He's too good of a basketball player not to.
26:45 What did your, how does he translate his game to--
26:49 - Man, that's wild to me.
26:51 I don't think the Bucks in this, my personal,
26:53 I don't think they were the right fit for him
26:55 to go into training camp for.
26:58 I think just based on the amount of bigs they already had,
27:03 it's, that's a tough place to navigate through, right?
27:07 - He was a rookie coach too, which--
27:09 - Right.
27:10 - You kind of, that was a striking--
27:11 - I don't think that was the right,
27:14 the right fit for him to pick Milwaukee,
27:17 but you know, I'm not in his shoes as well.
27:20 So I feel he'll find his,
27:23 I think he's a million dollar player in Europe, hands down.
27:27 They still play that style and he can,
27:31 I don't know, I don't know where in the NBA he fits.
27:36 I hate to say that 'cause pound for pound,
27:40 I think he's probably one of the greatest Zags,
27:43 if not the greatest Zag of all time.
27:46 Like statistically number one,
27:49 being number one in the country, all the accolades,
27:51 all that, pound for pound, I think he's the greatest.
27:54 So it's hard to even say that he's not even in the NBA.
27:59 It's just, that's a weird concept to even like grasp.
28:03 But his defense, I don't, he's just, it's tough, man.
28:09 Where do you fit him in a roster spot, you know?
28:13 - I wonder how that conversation went when he got waived.
28:16 'Cause I remember when I got waived for the last time.
28:20 - That's hard to accept, it's hard to swallow.
28:23 Do you guys remember the last team you got waived from
28:26 and how it went?
28:27 - New Orleans, Dell Demps, got hurt and it didn't work out.
28:32 I, bothered me because I knew I was better
28:36 than the two bigs they had, but money wise.
28:39 Those guys were getting paid an astronomical amount of money
28:44 and I get it, so it is what it is at the time.
28:48 So kind of just like, all right, what's,
28:51 the big question mark is the scary part, what's next, right?
28:56 Once you get past that big question mark,
28:58 I think it's, you're fine,
29:00 but it's the unknown that's really scary.
29:03 And when they let you go, you're like, who am I?
29:07 What am I going to do?
29:08 And how am I going to do it?
29:09 - I don't think Drew's in that head space though.
29:11 He's only 23, guys.
29:12 - No, but the first time you get that waive.
29:15 - Of course, but he's going to go to the G-League.
29:17 It was a two-way contract anyway,
29:19 if he was going to sign one.
29:20 So he's going to go to the G-League,
29:21 he's going to get an opportunity.
29:23 Like you said, he's going to find a way.
29:25 It's going to take probably some time,
29:27 but he'll probably play two years in the G-League,
29:30 maybe one, play well, then get a better camp shot.
29:34 And then maybe a better summer league spot to get a deal.
29:37 And then if that doesn't work, he can go play overseas.
29:40 I think the biggest thing for him is obviously,
29:42 people talk about stretching the floor, that makes sense.
29:44 But the hardest part for Drew in that league,
29:48 obviously he's a back to basket can score,
29:50 is rim protection.
29:52 You've got to be a rim protector at the next level.
29:54 And it's not like, you don't have to be jump out of the gym,
29:56 but you have to be able to protect the rim
29:58 at any big position.
30:00 - He has to be a presence.
30:01 - He has to be a presence, no matter what unit you play on.
30:05 So that's, I think, the biggest thing
30:07 that would hamper Drew at the next level.
30:10 If you're a secondary big,
30:11 usually those guys are pick and dive guys,
30:13 pick and lob guys,
30:15 but on the backside, they can defend the rim.
30:17 So that's something that you can do body positioning
30:20 and obviously you can make yourself a little more athletic,
30:22 but that's going to be his biggest challenge.
30:24 Just looking at it from an NBA lens,
30:27 he has fantastic score, great passer,
30:30 you know what I mean?
30:31 All those tools are there.
30:33 You gotta be able to defend the rim.
30:34 It's just how the NBA is because it's so spaced.
30:38 And then like I said,
30:39 your second bigs are usually your pick and dive,
30:42 super athletic guys, right?
30:44 - Well, I see him as a curve ball off the bench.
30:46 Like you're not used to guarding a guy
30:49 with his assortment of footwork,
30:51 step throughs, up and unders, shot fakes.
30:54 So it's a challenge.
30:55 But the last time I got waved,
30:58 it was a Phoenix in training camp.
31:00 And I had a great camp, probably like you.
31:02 You felt like, hey, I should do this.
31:04 - I should do this, why didn't I hear you?
31:06 - Steve Kerr calls me on the phone.
31:08 He's like, "Hey Dan, how's it going?"
31:10 I was like, "I know what's happening.
31:11 I know what's coming."
31:12 'Cause the numbers didn't look good.
31:14 It's like, "Yeah, we just got back off the phone
31:17 with the owner.
31:17 We're not able to keep another contract."
31:19 They kept 13 guys, which was the minimum,
31:22 instead of 15 at the time.
31:24 And he goes, "We're gonna have to release you.
31:28 But if you really want,
31:29 you can still come on the last road trip
31:30 and go up to Vancouver
31:32 and hang out with the guys for the last game."
31:34 I'm like, "Nope, get me on the next flight."
31:36 - I don't wanna be a part of this.
31:38 - Yeah.
31:39 I know, it's wild because it's like you said,
31:44 Drew Timmy's unbelievable.
31:47 And I've said it already many times,
31:49 like he's phenomenal on the offensive end.
31:52 But there has to be a team that's willing
31:57 to go and find him possessions to show off that.
32:02 You know, and it's a guard dominant game right now.
32:08 It's starting to become bigs again,
32:10 but like Mo said, I'm gonna pay you back off of that.
32:14 He's gotta be able to defend as well, you know,
32:17 and he's never been the greatest defender
32:19 and you'd have to match up against the Joe Kitches
32:22 and Embiid's and those guys.
32:26 How's that pan out, right?
32:29 - So obviously Graham E.K. is gonna slide into that role.
32:32 Big shoes to fill.
32:34 I've been at practice.
32:35 I've seen E.K. over the last couple of years
32:37 'cause of my call and broadcasting games
32:39 of different networks and I like him.
32:41 He's good.
32:42 He's seen him at practice.
32:44 Have you had a chance to see him at practice yet?
32:46 - The one practice I went to, he wasn't able to play.
32:50 I'm not sure why, but kind of Sam Dower-esque in a way.
32:56 - It's a good call.
32:59 - Lefty. - Soft touch.
33:00 - Soft touch, kind of has that ball
33:02 where as long as it goes on the rim,
33:04 it's gonna just kind of roll in type deal.
33:07 I don't know.
33:11 I think he's our only big, it seems in my eyes.
33:16 I look at it like he's the only back to the basket,
33:20 big man, run to the front of the hoop, seal.
33:23 So I'm curious to see how it progresses for him.
33:29 I can't really speak on his game.
33:32 I just haven't seen enough to know,
33:34 but I know it's kind of like Dower-esque.
33:36 - Yeah, yeah.
33:38 The guy that comes to mind is Zeebo, Zach Randolph.
33:40 - Oh, dude, almost took my jaw off one time.
33:43 That guy just loved contact.
33:48 - Yeah, he's searching out.
33:49 - Always, search out contact, consistent, find your body.
33:54 When you're on defense on a guy like that,
33:57 you're just trying to, you're working extra hard
34:00 not for him to just hit you every day.
34:03 And I'm curious to see if he has that type of mentality
34:08 of just wanting to just hit all the time.
34:11 - Yeah, NIL has come full circle.
34:14 It's the prevalent thing.
34:15 You touched on it earlier.
34:17 We've talked about NIL and the impact of it
34:20 many times already, but for you, do you like it?
34:24 Do you dislike it?
34:25 If NIL was around when you were at Gonzaga,
34:29 what company would you go to?
34:31 - Sure, I'd be just fine in this town.
34:34 I'd be just fine in this town.
34:36 I'd probably have a little too much fun in this town
34:38 if I had NIL money, but it needed to be,
34:43 'cause being a player, you're broke
34:48 and you're seeing people wear your jerseys
34:50 all over the place and you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
34:52 I can't even accept a burger.
34:56 And I have only maybe $20 to my name
34:58 to the end of this week.
35:00 So how does this make any sense
35:02 that everyone's making money off my jersey?
35:05 I'm seeing double zero everywhere,
35:07 but nobody, I'm not seeing anything from it.
35:12 I get that.
35:13 Hard part is, I worked in the athletic side of Gonzaga
35:19 for a little bit, and then you start seeing
35:23 the actual numbers and people don't realize,
35:27 you see all this money going to one player.
35:29 That's one thing, but that takes money
35:31 from a lot of other programs
35:34 and people don't realize that.
35:35 It hinders a lot of programs from being successful.
35:42 And how do you navigate that?
35:45 I don't know.
35:46 Like, obviously life ain't fair.
35:49 I get that.
35:49 But you're now taking, let's say, for example,
35:54 let's just say Chet.
35:56 Before Chet got there, we were getting $100,000
36:01 towards the program or school.
36:04 When Chet got there, let's just say,
36:06 these are all hypothetical numbers,
36:08 but now Chet's getting that $100,000
36:11 instead of the school getting the $100,000.
36:13 So that's not money going to golf, Crocs country,
36:17 volleyball, baseball, whatever.
36:19 So now we're trying to pull money from other places
36:22 to keep those programs just afloat.
36:26 I do not want to be in those people's shoes
36:29 who have to navigate that.
36:30 That's a tough thing to deal with.
36:33 I don't know how it's going to work out in the future.
36:37 I look at a lot of programs.
36:40 Honestly, I don't see how Eastern survives.
36:43 Schools like Eastern, smaller programs.
36:46 I don't see even how the WC,
36:48 a lot of the schools in the WCC make it.
36:50 It just doesn't financially,
36:52 fiscally doesn't make any sense.
36:54 - Well, that's why it's gotta be,
36:56 it's still the elephant in the room,
36:58 like the Big 12 or whatever league might be out there.
37:02 We talked about it last time,
37:03 Adam likes the possible move.
37:05 I'm still on the fence.
37:07 But what you're talking about also makes you think,
37:10 you don't want to be left out in the dark
37:12 and you're not playing big companies.
37:13 - I'd rather be proactive and just go for it
37:17 than like you said, just all of a sudden,
37:19 there's no more space.
37:22 Now granted, someone wants Gonzaga in there,
37:25 their conference, who is it?
37:27 I don't know, but I'd rather be proactive and aggressive
37:32 to the point where I'm going,
37:35 hey, we're doing this,
37:37 we're gonna live with the consequences
37:39 of whatever it may be.
37:41 And we're going to this conference,
37:43 whatever Big 12, Big East, whatever it is,
37:47 then just be a part of a dying conference.
37:51 And WCC has been great for us for years,
37:56 but you're gonna tell me San Fran in five years
38:00 are gonna be able to compete in NIL.
38:02 You're gonna tell me LMU,
38:03 which I think should always be a top program.
38:06 They're gonna be able to buy players here in the future.
38:09 Same with San Diego.
38:11 Are those guys willing to cough up the money
38:14 to buy players to compete
38:16 or is this just going to be one of those things
38:18 that are dissolved?
38:19 - Yeah, yeah.
38:21 Well, I mean, the transition from college to NBA
38:24 is you can start those endorsement deals.
38:26 Julian Strother was one of the Nike guys
38:29 that just came out for the rookie class.
38:32 You were an Adidas guy, right?
38:33 Tell us about that kind of negotiation, if you don't mind,
38:37 and then I'll hear any endorsements you had.
38:39 - My agency met with both
38:43 and the money discrepancy was so big with Adidas,
38:46 so I decided to sign with Adidas, simple as that.
38:49 - Didn't they try to brand it part of the pistol?
38:52 They were coming out with those re-superstar shoes,
38:54 if I'm not mistaken.
38:55 - No, there was no talks to have on my own shoe
38:59 or anything like that,
39:00 but it was just a simple dollars and cents thing.
39:05 So I knew Lottenbach, former Nike executive, was fantastic.
39:10 It was nothing personal.
39:13 Still say hi to him every time I see him.
39:15 You know what I mean?
39:15 It was just one of those things.
39:16 The money was such a wide gap
39:19 that I decided to go with Adidas.
39:21 - Mine's the same thing.
39:23 Got more stuff from Nike, so I went with Nike.
39:25 It's just, to know that guys are getting deals in college
39:33 is just a wild, you know?
39:35 And now, correct me if I'm wrong,
39:37 they can endorse the shoe that the school is?
39:41 Like, I just saw, what's her name from LSU, Reese?
39:44 - Yeah.
39:45 - She's with Reebok, but how does that work?
39:47 - But the school's a Nike, I believe.
39:48 - That's what I, I don't know how does that work.
39:51 - Yeah, I don't know, 'cause if games,
39:53 typically you've had to fall under the school's umbrella.
39:56 - That's what I was trying to figure out.
39:58 I don't know how that concept works.
39:59 If you sign with Reebok,
40:01 are you just posting stuff with Reebok
40:03 and then you have to wear Nike?
40:05 It's a different, it's just crazy different era now.
40:08 - Yeah.
40:09 - WCC coaches pull St. Mary's first, Gonzaga second.
40:13 Coaching staff use that as any extra motivation
40:18 or is it just like, it is what it is?
40:20 - It is what it is.
40:21 I think everyone's basing it off of,
40:23 it's just a bunch of new faces.
40:25 And, you know, they rather have that,
40:30 let's doubt Gonzaga for the first time.
40:33 Let's make it something, let's make a story
40:36 and let's just, you know,
40:38 everyone knows we're always one or two.
40:40 So it doesn't really, that's not a,
40:42 no one's got time for any of that.
40:45 (laughing)
40:46 At the beginning of the season, you know,
40:48 you'll see guys like, to me, it's always like Wake Forest.
40:52 Wake Forest, since I was at GU,
40:55 Wake Forest has always been a top program,
40:57 but then they never, they never pan out.
41:00 - Yeah.
41:01 - They never pan out.
41:02 I just, I think rankings at the beginning of the season,
41:06 they don't mean anything.
41:07 They really just, it doesn't mean anything.
41:09 - You speak of Wake Forest,
41:10 two Gonzaga transfers went there,
41:12 their exhibition game, Efton Reed didn't even play.
41:15 - Hmm.
41:16 - Hunter Salas had 27.
41:17 So that'll be interesting
41:19 how his career progresses this year.
41:21 Sometimes you need a change of scenery.
41:23 - Absolutely.
41:24 - Place fits you better.
41:25 He couldn't, he made strides as a shooter,
41:28 but we all know on the perimeter, if you can't shoot it,
41:31 it's going to be hard to crack Coach Fu's rotation.
41:34 - Tough, tough.
41:35 And, yeah, you have, I feel this way.
41:41 You have to change Coach Fu's view on you.
41:45 You personally, as a player, have to change,
41:49 and you have, it's not going to be easy.
41:53 'Cause I remember he wouldn't let me shoot outside 15 feet.
41:56 And then you just got to go,
41:59 I'm going to prove to you I can make this shot.
42:01 I'm going to force my way into this by getting my shots up
42:06 and then proving to you in games, I can knock these down.
42:10 - And you also have to be headstrong enough.
42:12 - That's what I'm saying.
42:13 - To prove it.
42:13 - You have to be, and he will, it's going to be tough,
42:18 but you got to, like you said, be headstrong to go,
42:20 "Hey, no, these are my shots.
42:22 "I get these off."
42:24 Perfect example was Kelly.
42:26 - Yeah.
42:27 - Kelly was like, "Man, I'm not a back to the basket guy."
42:30 And that was hard for Fu to, you know,
42:33 but he just stayed strong, stayed to his guns.
42:36 And eventually, look,
42:37 he became player of the year that year, right?
42:40 So I think you just, if you come through this program
42:44 and you want to be something,
42:46 you got to prove yourself to Fu.
42:49 - What was the biggest challenge you had?
42:50 Like kind of, obviously you started that first game,
42:53 but you had a big role as a freshman right away,
42:55 but what was the biggest challenge
42:57 kind of proving to Coach Fu?
42:58 - I think from my first year to the second year,
43:03 just kind of the trust and to take the shots
43:05 that I would take and that, and they weren't bad ones,
43:08 but at first he wasn't a big fan of like fadeaways
43:11 and stuff like that and floaters and stuff.
43:13 But like Rob said, once you can show,
43:15 you can make them at a consistent basis,
43:17 then he allows you to be yourself.
43:19 But naturally as a coach,
43:21 you have to have some guidelines and some basis of,
43:24 this is a good team shot and this is not.
43:26 So I think from year one, where I was an off the bench guy,
43:30 to year two, where I was going to be the primary score
43:32 for him to really, all right,
43:34 it's all right if Adam takes a one-legged fadeaway
43:36 and it might not go in, but that's kind of what he does.
43:39 You know what I'm saying?
43:40 So I think you just have to build that trust and just show,
43:44 you're gonna have to prove it
43:45 and then he gets out of your way.
43:47 But there's a lot of guys that come in
43:49 and they think that they don't have to go
43:51 through that process and then they get behind the eight ball,
43:54 rotation-wise and then they move on or they get buried.
43:59 And it's just like, dude, you kind of have to
44:01 prove yourself for him to allow you to kind of play
44:05 a little bit crazy, if that's the right word.
44:07 - I would say, yeah.
44:09 You have to fight to get minutes.
44:13 Fight to get minutes, whatever that means.
44:15 Whatever that means, you have to be a defensive,
44:17 strictly a defensive guy or a rebounding guy,
44:22 or fight to get your minutes first.
44:25 Once you get your minutes, then like you say,
44:28 you can build that trust with him.
44:31 He gives you a little bit,
44:33 and then that's when you can start to expand
44:36 on your game on the floor.
44:38 But it's tough, especially as a young 18 year old,
44:43 you're thinking that you're the man, all that.
44:47 I'm gonna change this program, blah, blah, blah.
44:50 To kind of not suppress that ego,
44:53 but keep that ego in check to just,
44:56 what do I need to do to get on the floor?
44:58 And some guys don't, it's hard for them to process that.
45:02 What do I need to just do to get on this floor right now?
45:06 Sometimes you just need to be the best defender out there.
45:09 He'll love you for that.
45:11 - Well, Adam also has a podcast,
45:15 a show, "The Perimeter," it releases as well on our platform.
45:19 He came up with a, you had a starting five.
45:21 Do you remember that quick starting five?
45:24 You wanna recite it?
45:25 - Like the all-time, I guess, starting five?
45:27 - Wasn't that what it was?
45:28 Or was it this season?
45:31 - It was this season.
45:32 - It was this season, all right.
45:33 Give us your, this season's starting five,
45:37 and then I want you to give us
45:39 your all-time zag starting five.
45:41 - So I think it's gonna be Nemhard, Hickman,
45:44 Steele-Venters, Anton, and then I think
45:48 Graham Ecape, he's healthy.
45:49 If not, one B will be Brandon Huff.
45:52 - I agree with that.
45:53 - Brayden Huff, excuse me.
45:54 - And I think Ben Gregg's the first big off the bench,
45:56 regardless.
45:57 - Ben's gonna play a ton, but I don't think
45:59 he's gonna start, obviously, over Anton,
46:01 but I think he's gonna have a great year.
46:02 He did last year, Ben did, considering where he was,
46:05 now I think he's gonna make a jump,
46:06 but he's gonna play that 22, 18 to 27 minute range
46:11 that the third big usually plays.
46:13 So he'll fit right in.
46:15 - Are we doing--
46:16 - So I wanna hear your all-time starting five.
46:18 I know I kinda throw it out there.
46:19 - Are we doing positions, or just--
46:20 - No, it's just all, it could be, I mean,
46:22 however you wanna play, 'cause you might put Mo
46:25 at the point, if you wanna go big.
46:27 - Pound for pound, I think the greatest zag
46:32 to ever play is Courtney VanderSloot.
46:36 - Really?
46:38 - Pound for pound, the greatest zag to ever play is--
46:42 - Was she at GU at the same time as you?
46:43 - We were freshmen coming in, she set records
46:46 when she was at GU, she put the program on the map
46:50 as a female player, I thought she was the one
46:52 that kind of made the change of that,
46:56 and then she's won a champ, she's won,
46:58 she's been to two finals in the WNBA,
47:00 she's setting records in the W, I just,
47:03 that's, I think pound for pound, she's the greatest zag.
47:07 I, it's hard, I know, but then it goes,
47:12 I go Timmy, you, Dan, Timmy, Dan, Roney, John,
47:17 and then Adam somewhere, but I know Courtney,
47:26 to me she's just, I would probably have to say
47:28 she's somewhere in that mix.
47:30 I know we don't talk about the women's program,
47:32 but she's, it's incredible what she's done.
47:36 - Yeah, I mean, I don't watch a lot of women's basketball,
47:39 my daughters aren't into basketball the way
47:41 that Adam's daughters are into basketball,
47:43 so I don't follow it as close,
47:45 but I know she's had a heck of a career.
47:46 - She's been to two finals, won one, carried a team,
47:49 you know, and just, what, 2,000 points at GU
47:55 and 1,000 assists or something like that.
47:58 - She has one of those records,
48:00 yeah, one of those records where scoring with assists
48:03 that nobody has on either side,
48:06 and then like Rob said, she took that program.
48:08 Kelly Graves is a fantastic coach,
48:10 but he needed a player like that to elevate it.
48:13 I think they went elite eight, elite eight, sweet 16.
48:15 - Yeah, something like that.
48:17 - And that's when it was, you know,
48:18 completely overshadowed by the men's team.
48:22 Now the girls' team's got a great fan base.
48:24 Lisa and Craig Fortier do an excellent job, blah, blah, blah.
48:26 They established that, but Courtney's the one,
48:29 and they'll tell you that, 'cause I think Lisa and Craig
48:31 were on that staff, was the one that went,
48:34 - Correct. - for that program,
48:35 and rightfully so, the university retired her jersey,
48:39 which was the right thing to do, obviously.
48:42 It was a no-brainer, so great career.
48:45 - This team, elite eight, sweet 16, second round.
48:51 - Man, that's so early.
48:52 That's why I have to throw it out now.
48:54 I mean, you could be like, I knew nothing.
48:56 I knew the crystal ball.
48:58 - You know, I haven't seen, it's hard for me to say,
49:03 because this team's so new,
49:05 and I haven't seen what other teams look like.
49:08 Obviously, you know, the Zaidis over at Purdue,
49:13 you know, they're gonna be a powerhouse,
49:15 but I'll wait to see.
49:18 It's a long season.
49:20 So to kind of make my predictions,
49:23 I think sweet 16, if we get to the sweet 16,
49:28 from what I see, that's a good starting base.
49:33 - Eight straight sweet 16s,
49:34 I think it's the third all-time longest record.
49:37 - Right. - That would be
49:38 another amazing year. - Exactly.
49:40 Amazing if we can get there, but as you guys know,
49:44 it's a long, a lot can happen.
49:46 It's a long season.
49:48 You don't know who, like, you don't know,
49:51 guys still don't even know their roles yet.
49:53 So I gotta kind of see maybe,
49:56 I can give you a better answer five games into the season.
50:00 - Well, you know what, let's do this.
50:01 Let's have you back maybe a month or two into the season.
50:04 So Mo, you got anything final for Rob before we wrap up?
50:07 - Good luck coaching, man.
50:08 I'll help you any way you can.
50:09 I'm looking forward to watching you guys,
50:11 and I think it's cool that you're doing it, man.
50:13 I'm excited for you.
50:14 - I appreciate it.
50:15 Thank you.
50:16 - Absolutely, for Talking Zags and the Gonzaga Nation,
50:20 today's guest, Rob Sockray, alongside Adam Morrison
50:24 and myself, Dan Dickow.
50:25 Thanks for watching.
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