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Jen: So welcome to MomCave LIVE, where we may have lost our minds, but we haven't lost our senses of humor. I'm Jen from MomCave. Every week, I have a guest with me. This week, I have someone I'm going to make appear on the screen like magic. Tada!
Rachel Martin: Here I am.
Jen: There she is, from behind the curtain. Rachel Martin, otherwise known in all the places as Finding Joy. Yes?
Rachel Martin: That is true. People actually think my name is Joy.
Jen: That's kind of cute. It would have been really cool if your name was Joy, but
Rachel Martin: It would have been, but then I'm like, am I finding myself? But I guess that's the story. So.
Jen: Right, right. So, we're gonna talk about your books, and we're going to talk about a bunch of things and hang out. Anyone who's here and wants to talk with us in the comments, just pop in. The most you had a post go viral a while back. We're just talking about how we were in the OG mommy blogger years.
Rachel Martin: That's right.
Jen: What was the title of that post? About mean moms?
I'm a mean mom, and that's totally fine
Rachel Martin: Oh, you know, I don't even know. I think I probably titled it like, "I'm the mean mom, and I'm okay with it." That sounds like what I would have titled it.
Jen: Mhm.
Rachel Martin: So I'm gonna.
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Jen: So welcome to MomCave LIVE, where we may have lost our minds, but we haven't lost our senses of humor. I'm Jen from MomCave. Every week, I have a guest with me. This week, I have someone I'm going to make appear on the screen like magic. Tada!
Rachel Martin: Here I am.
Jen: There she is, from behind the curtain. Rachel Martin, otherwise known in all the places as Finding Joy. Yes?
Rachel Martin: That is true. People actually think my name is Joy.
Jen: That's kind of cute. It would have been really cool if your name was Joy, but
Rachel Martin: It would have been, but then I'm like, am I finding myself? But I guess that's the story. So.
Jen: Right, right. So, we're gonna talk about your books, and we're going to talk about a bunch of things and hang out. Anyone who's here and wants to talk with us in the comments, just pop in. The most you had a post go viral a while back. We're just talking about how we were in the OG mommy blogger years.
Rachel Martin: That's right.
Jen: What was the title of that post? About mean moms?
I'm a mean mom, and that's totally fine
Rachel Martin: Oh, you know, I don't even know. I think I probably titled it like, "I'm the mean mom, and I'm okay with it." That sounds like what I would have titled it.
Jen: Mhm.
Rachel Martin: So I'm gonna.
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00:00 (phone ringing)
00:02 (dog barking)
00:02 - Honey, hurry!
00:03 (children yelling)
00:06 (upbeat music)
00:09 - So welcome to MomCave Live,
00:15 where we may have lost our minds,
00:17 but we haven't lost our senses of humor.
00:19 I'm Jen from MomCave,
00:21 and every week I have a guest with me,
00:23 and this week I have,
00:25 I'm gonna make her appear on the screen like magic.
00:27 Ta-da!
00:29 - Here I am.
00:30 - There she is, from behind the curtain.
00:33 Rachel Martin, who is otherwise known in all the places
00:37 as Finding Joy, yes?
00:40 - That is true.
00:40 People actually think my name is Joy.
00:43 - That's kind of cute.
00:44 It would be, it would have been really cool
00:45 if your name was Joy, but...
00:47 - It would have been, it would have been,
00:48 but then I'm like, am I finding myself?
00:50 But I guess that's the story, so.
00:52 - Right, right.
00:54 So we're gonna talk about your books,
00:56 and we're gonna talk about a bunch of things,
00:58 and hang out, and anybody who's here
01:00 and wants to talk with us in the comments, just pop in.
01:03 The most, you had a post go viral a while back.
01:08 We were just talking about how we were like
01:09 in the OG mommy blogger years.
01:12 - That's right.
01:13 - And what was the title of that post about mean moms?
01:18 - Oh, you know, I don't even know.
01:19 I think I probably titled it like,
01:20 "I'm the mean mom and I'm okay with it."
01:22 That sounds like what I would have titled it.
01:25 So I'm gonna just go with that.
01:27 That's what I'm gonna say it was.
01:28 - I like it.
01:29 Yeah, something along those lines.
01:32 I'm a mean mom, and that's totally fine.
01:34 - Right.
01:35 - So we thought we would talk a little bit about that,
01:38 and what being a mean mom means, and all of that.
01:42 So hop in the comments and let us know
01:44 why your kids think you're a mean mom.
01:47 Rachel, what is the most crazy reason
01:50 your children have ever called you a mean mom?
01:52 - Probably, it's always limits.
01:54 It's always when I set a limit.
01:56 Hands down, I can't think of any other time.
01:58 It's when I say the two words, well, two letters.
02:02 - Two letters, that big word.
02:04 - It is, it's a big word.
02:05 And it's those limits, but I always tell my kids
02:09 the limits are there 'cause I love 'em.
02:11 - Right. - Bottom line.
02:12 Bottom line.
02:13 Or I also love myself.
02:14 I know I can't do everything.
02:16 - That's right.
02:17 Yeah.
02:19 I asked my kids just about an hour ago,
02:23 we were having dinner,
02:24 and I asked them why I was a mean mom.
02:26 And they had countless reasons, really.
02:29 - Nice, that's nice that they listed them.
02:31 - Yeah, so there was no lack of reason.
02:34 But my eight-year-old's biggest reason
02:37 was that when she gets home from school,
02:40 the first thing I make her do is empty out her lunchbox
02:44 before she can play.
02:46 - Yes, hallelujah to that,
02:48 because I have one that if it doesn't get emptied
02:51 on Monday morning, I'm like,
02:53 dude, you have to be the one to open this
02:55 because opening it, it's like a thermos.
02:58 It's bad.
03:00 It's bad, it's bad.
03:01 And then the whole dishwasher experiences the bad.
03:05 So all morning I'm like,
03:06 (gasps)
03:07 I don't even wanna open it.
03:07 So I'm with you there.
03:09 I'm with you. - Totally.
03:09 - That's not mean.
03:10 That's mean. - It's not mean.
03:11 - That's practical.
03:12 - It's very practical.
03:13 It's saving everybody a lot of headache down the road.
03:16 - Right, right.
03:17 You're saving when people come in
03:19 that moment of awkwardness of what's that smell?
03:21 - What is that smell in this house?
03:22 I'm sure there are other smells in my house,
03:24 but luckily it's not a lunchbox.
03:26 - That is true.
03:27 That's true.
03:28 That's so true.
03:29 - Last Friday, my son who's 13,
03:32 he did not empty his lunchbox on Friday.
03:35 And so last Sunday night
03:37 when he was getting ready to pack his lunch,
03:39 he realized it and it was so gratifying
03:41 because he opened it up.
03:43 He was like, I can't do it.
03:45 I can't do it, mom.
03:46 And I made him do it.
03:48 And he was literally dry heaving
03:51 and totally got it.
03:53 Hopefully he will remember that in the future.
03:56 - I think they do.
03:57 I mean, actually I believe that's how they learn.
04:00 I have this story of my oldest.
04:02 So I used to live in Minnesota.
04:03 I live in Nashville now,
04:04 which everybody thinks is the coolest,
04:06 but, and it is cool.
04:07 I'm gonna say it's super cool.
04:09 But when I lived in Minnesota
04:10 and one of my oldest was young,
04:13 it gets sub zero there with wind chill,
04:16 where I would tell my kids,
04:17 like, if you go outside, put a smile on your face
04:20 'cause it's gonna freeze.
04:21 - Yeah.
04:21 - Anyway, we're at,
04:23 I think it was Kohl's back in Kohl's prime,
04:25 you know, heyday shopping days.
04:27 And I was there and I said,
04:29 you need to put your coat on right now.
04:31 Maybe she was three, four.
04:33 She refused.
04:33 I kept saying, you need to put your coat on.
04:35 No, no.
04:36 And it turned out being this tantrum
04:38 kind of experience in Kohl's.
04:40 So then I said, if you don't put your coat on,
04:44 I will not let you put your coat on
04:46 until you're in the car.
04:47 So.
04:48 - That was clever.
04:50 - Yes.
04:51 So then, you know, Kohl's,
04:52 it was like moms like me and also,
04:56 bless them, 80 plus year old women that were in there.
04:59 So as I'm taking my child out into the sub zero,
05:04 they see her without the coat.
05:07 And I'm like, just trying to teach a lesson,
05:09 just trying to teach a lesson.
05:11 And I remember walking painfully slow
05:14 because I knew she'd be fine.
05:16 But after that, the rest of the winter
05:18 and from that moment on, I was a coat.
05:20 I was a coat.
05:21 Let me put my coat on.
05:22 Never argued.
05:23 - Well, it worked, see?
05:25 - It did.
05:25 - It's nice being mom.
05:26 Do you remember any time that you particularly
05:30 thought your parents were mean?
05:33 You had a mean mom?
05:34 - Yeah.
05:35 Yeah.
05:36 I mean, I love my parents a lot.
05:38 Now in every book that I write,
05:39 I tell them how much I love them.
05:40 I try to include them to pay back for that.
05:43 - Right.
05:44 - I don't remember the specifics always,
05:45 but I just, I feel like it was like,
05:47 it was always linked to limits.
05:48 Like I would want to do something.
05:50 I would want to stay up late.
05:51 I would want to do whatever it was.
05:53 And when they would say no, I would push back.
05:56 And that's part of childhood is figuring out
05:59 what's the limits.
06:00 But that's where me and my,
06:03 it was really my mom and I,
06:04 we would just butt heads into the place
06:06 where my dad would walk in.
06:07 And he would always give us warning that he was coming.
06:11 Like you could hear the footsteps or something moving.
06:15 So I always knew like, get your act together,
06:17 get it together right now.
06:18 - Yes.
06:19 - Yeah.
06:20 - He was good at that.
06:21 He was a master at that.
06:22 - Oh, wow.
06:24 Yeah.
06:24 I think in my family, I'm like the bad guy.
06:27 I'm the bad mom.
06:29 - Really?
06:30 - More.
06:31 - Nice.
06:31 - Sometimes.
06:32 I don't know.
06:33 Yeah.
06:34 So they definitely think I'm meaner than daddy.
06:35 - Okay.
06:36 - You know, I'm not sure about it.
06:37 And I would love to hear some other people's reasons
06:41 that they are mean.
06:42 So you can let us know in the comments.
06:44 I think the number one reason I'm a mean mom,
06:48 and this one I actually do truly,
06:50 I actually feel guilty for this one.
06:52 - Okay.
06:52 - I will not let my family get a dog.
06:54 - Oh, you're talking to someone that just got a dog.
06:58 So I get it.
06:59 I get it.
07:00 I get it.
07:01 'Cause my husband and I both the other day,
07:02 we're like, what were we thinking?
07:05 So I get it.
07:06 - Yeah.
07:07 Like I know my limits, as you say,
07:08 I know my bandwidth.
07:10 We travel a ton,
07:13 house is a disaster as it is.
07:15 And we also rent our house.
07:16 Like we live in a sort of ski area.
07:18 So we rent our house out a lot on Airbnb.
07:21 And it's hard enough keeping it clean.
07:22 I can't imagine adding a living, breathing canine
07:27 to the chaos.
07:29 - Well, I can imagine.
07:30 And I did have that moment just two days ago
07:32 of what were we thinking?
07:34 Because we do like to travel.
07:35 I mean, there's a lot of limits in there that it brings.
07:38 I mean, it's unconditional love.
07:40 So you could be the mean mom
07:41 and somebody will still unconditionally love you.
07:44 - Oh, the dog will still love you.
07:45 - Yeah, the dog won't think you're mean.
07:47 - Never, never.
07:48 - No, no.
07:50 Do you think that it's more different stages of childhood
07:54 that this whole like your main mommy thing happens?
07:57 - I think it's, yeah, I would say it's phases.
08:00 To me, it's like when they're littler,
08:03 it's over more ridiculous things.
08:05 But as they get older,
08:06 it's definitely because they want more freedom.
08:10 And it's really, it's tough because I get it.
08:14 'Cause all of a sudden, most of history,
08:16 you're 16, 17, 18, you're on your own.
08:19 And now we're like, you guys, you're not on your own yet.
08:21 You're kind of really an adult,
08:22 but here, go do your homework and do all this stuff.
08:26 And so I feel like there's that tension
08:28 where they want the freedom.
08:30 And then they're stuck in a framework,
08:33 the school system or whatever it is
08:34 where they don't really have it all yet.
08:36 - Right, right.
08:37 So like physically they've matured and yeah.
08:41 Out in the wild. - We hope so, right.
08:43 - Out in the wild, they could be running around
08:47 and having babies,
08:48 but they'd also be fighting saber-toothed tigers.
08:50 And we are keeping them from all of that.
08:52 - Correct, and we provide food
08:54 'cause they're all very excited,
08:55 no matter what age, when I come back from the grocery store.
08:58 'Cause inevitably, Thursday,
09:00 we always do grocery shopping on Sunday.
09:01 Inevitably, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
09:04 I start to hear the rumblings of like,
09:06 are you gonna go to the store again?
09:07 Like we've never gone before.
09:09 Like it's actual almost panic.
09:10 - Like they're starving.
09:12 - Right, exactly, exactly.
09:14 They're just not choosing what's in the pantry.
09:17 - Exactly, it's yeah.
09:19 It might as well not exist
09:20 if it's not something they wanna eat.
09:22 - Right, Takis.
09:23 - Oh my goodness.
09:25 My daughter just discovered those.
09:28 Yeah, I've taken to having to hide some things.
09:33 - Oh, we do too.
09:33 - Yeah, okay, good.
09:34 I know I'm a mean mom.
09:36 In my desk here, in my working area,
09:39 there's a drawer and there are certain snacks in there
09:41 that hopefully, they'll find them eventually,
09:44 but for now, they don't know where those are.
09:46 'Cause otherwise they can't find them.
09:48 - Yeah, we have them hidden
09:49 because otherwise come Monday,
09:51 we start hearing, are you going to the grocery store again?
09:53 Because it's like feeding frenzy
09:55 and then there's nothing left.
09:57 So yeah, there's spots, there's spots.
10:01 - So that's a reason that they think that we're mean,
10:03 but in reality, we're really just like making sure
10:06 that their food lasts all week.
10:08 - That's so true.
10:10 That's so true, or at least it's food
10:13 that they want to have at the end of the week.
10:15 - Right, right.
10:16 - But now my kids, because they'll label everything.
10:19 So like in the refrigerator, if somebody doesn't finish,
10:22 if you don't label, it's a free for all.
10:24 So now you can go in there
10:26 and there's like Post-it notes and different things
10:29 so that people know that is that person's.
10:33 - And actually I label stuff too.
10:34 Like mine don't touch.
10:37 - Do they respect the label?
10:38 I feel like I could write anything on there
10:40 and if the kid wants it, they're going to take it.
10:42 - There's a mutual respect for the label
10:44 because if there wasn't, they know,
10:47 then their stuff is fair game.
10:49 So there is a definite mutual respect.
10:51 It's like the dividing line.
10:53 It's like the little thing that you put on the line
10:55 at the grocery store, the little between each other's thing.
10:58 It's like that type of respect
10:59 or the cones that you put in traffic.
11:01 The label, nobody messes with the label.
11:04 It's pretty much law.
11:05 - I like that.
11:06 I like that.
11:07 - Yeah, it's good.
11:08 - That's what a mean mom thinks.
11:08 Is there anything that you do,
11:13 like any mean mom move you've made
11:15 that you didn't think before you had kids,
11:17 you would be that mom?
11:19 - So my daughter, Grace, she's 22 now.
11:23 She loves to tell this story of like,
11:25 like it's actually, she tells it in such a way
11:28 where I still feel bad, but I don't have a lot of,
11:30 I don't have patience for lines.
11:32 I'm just gonna put it out there.
11:34 I don't have, I will inevitably choose
11:35 the wrong grocery line.
11:37 I will choose the wrong line in traffic.
11:40 If I go to Starbucks, there'll be a line.
11:42 And so my kids all know I have no patience.
11:44 And there's this time when she was maybe,
11:46 I mean, she was a teen.
11:47 So she, by this point knows I don't like lines.
11:50 I don't have patience.
11:51 And we're in Northern Minnesota and it was the summer
11:54 and we're going back to the cabin.
11:56 And I said, well, let's get, let's get Dairy Queen.
11:59 You know, a nice long thing.
12:00 So I go to the small town Dairy Queen
12:03 and the line, it's ridiculous.
12:06 I'm like, I can see that they're slow, they're behind.
12:10 So I wait a little bit and I turned to them and I said,
12:12 you know what, this line is too long.
12:13 Let's just get, let's just get ice cream
12:15 at the grocery store.
12:16 - Yeah.
12:17 - To this day, she will tell you,
12:18 can you believe that time?
12:19 It broke my heart.
12:20 She like traumatizes it.
12:22 - Oh.
12:23 - But I mean, those are the things like some
12:25 of the little quote unquote mean things.
12:28 They're not really that they, I think the kids like them
12:30 because they, now they, it's like one of those things
12:33 where they can laugh at like, oh, don't go to Dairy Queen.
12:35 Mom won't wait.
12:36 - Right.
12:37 Now they have like a story and they commiserate.
12:39 - They do.
12:40 - With the other about how mean.
12:41 - Right.
12:41 Like I forgot about it.
12:42 And then she starts telling it
12:43 and everybody else in the car is like, oh yeah,
12:45 I remember that.
12:46 It was a tragedy.
12:47 I'm like, are you kidding me?
12:48 (laughing)
12:49 She's like, I was planning on this blizzard
12:51 and I had all these toppings and I was ready to go.
12:54 And nope, here you are.
12:55 No patience.
12:56 Just zip that car right out of there.
12:58 - Well, it sounds like you must've been a pretty good mom
13:01 overall, if the most traumatizing thing
13:03 that ever happened to your 22 year old
13:04 is she didn't get Dairy Queen.
13:06 - Probably.
13:06 I would like to think that.
13:08 I would like to think that the boundaries
13:11 that we set actually help the relationship
13:14 is because they know we're that safe person.
13:17 That to me is the bottom line is it's not
13:19 because trying to be mean, I'm trying to do that.
13:21 It's just, I tell them like,
13:23 I have X number of years experience on you guys.
13:26 And I love you so much that I know
13:28 that this is the boundary.
13:29 - Right, right.
13:30 There's a lot with my 13 year old,
13:32 there's a lot of the sort of like,
13:34 yep, I know I felt exactly that same way.
13:37 Nope, that doesn't change my mind.
13:40 - Right.
13:41 It's rough though.
13:42 It is rough.
13:43 'Cause you look and oh, it's just,
13:45 I don't like that part.
13:47 I don't because I, well, just as my own thing.
13:51 I hate it when people are mad at me.
13:52 So then I'm like, they know that too.
13:54 So they know like, so then I'm like,
13:56 oh, they kind of feed that part.
13:58 And I'm like, okay.
14:00 - That's just one of the challenges
14:03 that we put up with people being mad at us.
14:06 Little people that live with us are often mad at us.
14:09 - Yes, they are.
14:10 Oh, and it's crazy when,
14:12 boy, I think back to when they were preschoolers
14:14 and how mad they could be.
14:17 Like it was the end of the world when it was bedtime.
14:20 - Right.
14:21 - Like now my kids are like, oh, can I just go to bed?
14:24 - Yeah.
14:25 - But when they were little, boy, I--
14:27 - How dare you?
14:27 - Yeah.
14:28 - Ruin their lives.
14:30 - Right, to get some sleep.
14:32 - Wow.
14:33 And now we would just kill for some sleep.
14:35 - Right.
14:36 - Can you tell everybody that's watching
14:38 about the new book that you have out?
14:41 - So before you and I went live,
14:43 we were talking about how we've been online for a long time.
14:46 And I've been writing my site, Finding Joy, since like 2009.
14:51 And about 2011, I started writing letters to moms
14:56 because one time I wrote something and a mom wrote back,
14:59 like, "I love what you're writing,
15:00 but I feel like I'm failing as a mom."
15:02 And I was like, well, she feels like she's failing.
15:04 I often feel that way too.
15:06 So I wrote a letter back, but it was,
15:08 and I was getting ready to send it
15:10 and her email address was anonymous.
15:11 So I ended up publishing it.
15:13 And that was the first thing that went really, really viral.
15:16 And all these moms are like, oh my gosh, that's me too.
15:20 I have a messy sink too.
15:21 It was back when social media was perfect,
15:24 like every filter. - Oh yes.
15:25 The oldies.
15:27 - Yeah. - Interesting.
15:28 - And so I just, I started writing letters.
15:31 My website became letters like when they were little
15:34 and as I was going through different things
15:36 or as I learned to like take care of my own self again.
15:39 And what happened is I've been writing another book
15:43 right now and my publisher was like,
15:44 "You know, everybody's been asking for these letters."
15:47 And I'm like, "Yes, they want them in book form
15:50 because that's the number one request I get."
15:52 And they're like, "Well, either we pay attention
15:54 to the universe or we ignore it."
15:56 So we took all the letters and I put them all together
16:00 in a book and that's what it is.
16:01 And I really, I mean, I'm super, super proud of it.
16:05 And I love it because it's a collection
16:08 of like long-term motherhood moments that as a writer,
16:13 I don't think I could go back and write
16:15 with the same rawness about what it's like
16:18 to have a preschooler as I did at that moment.
16:21 - Yes, that's amazing.
16:23 - Yeah.
16:24 - You guys have to check it out.
16:25 I will put the link to that in the description
16:28 or the comments when we're offline,
16:30 but where can they find it?
16:32 It's on Amazon, of course.
16:34 - It's on Amazon, Books A Million, Barnes & Noble,
16:36 and I was like your local bookseller.
16:39 I'm a big proponent of really supporting them too.
16:42 So it's there and yeah, Mom Enough right there.
16:47 Mom Enough, you guys, we are all mom enough.
16:50 - Amen.
16:51 - Amen, go continue being a mean mom
16:53 and when you feel bad about it, grab that book, Mom Enough.
16:56 It was great talking to you, Rachel.
16:58 I'm gonna go be mean and put kids to bed.
17:00 - Yeah, well, I actually joke about bedtime
17:04 'cause I used to sing, you know,
17:05 it's the most wonderful time of the year song.
17:08 Christmas when I would sing,
17:09 it's the most wonderful time of the day in my head.
17:12 Sometimes 'cause you just need a break.
17:14 - Sometimes we just gotta get to there.
17:16 - Okay, well, it was so good talking to you.
17:18 Thanks for watching everybody.
17:20 - Thank you.