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00:00 The WWE Survivor Series should be a big night for WWE, but it actually was a massive headache.

00:07 Twitter fans and WWE themselves had led a lot of people to speculate on the return of

00:13 CM Punk, forcing the company to pre-announce Randy Orton's return to minimal fanfare.

00:19 But in doing so, they managed to avoid complete disaster.

00:25 In September of 2023, All Elite Wrestling terminated the contract of CM Punk after a

00:36 series of incidents culminating in a fight backstage with Jack Perry just before his

00:41 world title match with Samoa Joe at All In.

00:44 It sparked rumours, reports and all round speculation that Punk could make a return

00:49 to WWE - who he left in rather controversial fashion in 2014 when he was fired on his wedding

00:55 day.

00:56 WWE themselves started to add fuel to this speculation fire by making references on commentary

01:01 to previous Punk promos, and Shinsuke Nakamura began to use the GTS - Punk's finish - as

01:06 part of his repertoire.

01:07 It got to a point where WWE planned to shut this all down, with Triple H being prepared

01:13 to dismiss any questions about Punk's return at the Fastlane post-show press conference.

01:18 WWE were ready to announce that it was a firm no.

01:22 And that stance did not change, and it didn't change in the lead-up to Survivor Series which

01:27 was being held in Punk's hometown of Chicago.

01:30 Reportedly Punk was not planned for the show.

01:33 However, Sean Ross Sapp on his Fightful Backstage Report podcast from November 20th, 2023 said,

01:39 "It would not surprise me if Punk and Triple H had a call.

01:43 I will never write off a return."

01:46 Instead it was Randy Orton who made his return to WWE, with SRS adding in that Backstage

01:52 Report podcast that Orton was always the plan, and had been for months.

01:57 But the return did not go as planned.

02:00 Orton was originally supposed to be a surprise reveal at Survivor Series being the fifth

02:04 member of Team Cody against The Judgment Day, but because of the CM Punk speculation - some

02:10 of which was done by WWE themselves - they had to pre-announce Orton so as to not give

02:17 false expectations going into the PPV.

02:19 Fightful Select reported Randy Orton's reveal was done intentionally as to not make fans

02:24 believe CM Punk would be the partner.

02:27 Because if there's one thing that Chicago likes to do, it's hijack wrestling shows

02:31 chanting for CM Punk.

02:32 Instead Orton was announced as the fifth member of Team Cody on the go-home edition of Raw.

02:37 The problem was, Orton wasn't there.

02:40 Which meant that what should have been one of the biggest wrestling returns of 2023 - Orton

02:45 has been out of action for 18 months - was just a whimper of a promo where Cody didn't

02:51 even say Randy's name.

02:52 Orton's big wrestling return was, more or less, a graphic on Twitter.

02:57 SRS also added on his Raw post shows that WWE wanted to make sure fans weren't reading

03:02 too much into commentary references to Punk or Nakamura using the GTS.

03:07 But none of that didn't really help at all.

03:10 Fans were still looking for clues, fans were still looking for easter eggs and tied themselves

03:15 in not trying to find signs that Punk was coming back - which included a Nakamura promo

03:20 where he was looking for his mystery opponent.

03:23 Sean Ross Sapp added on Fightful Select, "talent that we've spoken to have not been informed

03:27 as to the context of Shinsuke Nakamura's call."

03:30 Well that will not help the rumours and speculation, will it?

03:35 And Living Colour releasing a 2023 remaster of Cult of Personality the day before Survivor

03:41 Series didn't help either.

03:43 But while the Orton reveal was not befitting the return news, it's a miracle that we're

03:48 getting Randy back in the ring at all.

03:50 His father Bob Orton revealed to Sportskeeda in May of 2023 that while Orton wanted to

03:55 come back to wrestling, his doctors had advised him not to.

04:00 His actual doctors had told him not to wrestle anymore.

04:05 Fightful Select added to that in their report in August of 2023, "Doctors have told Orton

04:10 that wrestling in the future isn't a good idea."

04:14 Randy Orton's career was nearly over from this injury, but this isn't the only time

04:20 Randy's WWE career has almost been over.

04:25 There's always been this joke about Randy Orton that he doesn't take bumps.

04:29 He was once in a ladder match where he didn't take any big bumps, and that's the entire

04:34 point of being in a ladder match.

04:36 He sort of got this label of being "lazy" because he was so good he didn't need to

04:41 try.

04:42 He was even asked about this in 2017 on a radio show where he replied that he wasn't

04:46 lazy, he just stopped giving as much of a crap.

04:49 Lol.

04:50 But for someone who has been criticised for being lazy and not taking big enough bumps,

04:54 he has picked up some major injuries over his 20 years in WWE.

04:59 His first injury came shortly after his WWE debut in 2002, where he injured his shoulder.

05:05 Now you'll be hearing a lot about his shoulders for the next few minutes.

05:08 But this injury has since been described as a blessing in disguise, as while he was off

05:13 he became part of the creative plans for Triple H's new faction, Evolution.

05:17 He separated his shoulder a few years later at One Night Stand 2008 during a WWE Championship

05:22 match with Triple H, and just as he was cleared to return a few months later, he was in a

05:27 motorcycle accident that re-broke his collarbone.

05:31 It could have been worse though as he told WWE.com, "Without a helmet, I would be dead."

05:36 Two years later in 2010, Orton dislocated his shoulder during a match with Edge at Over

05:41 The Limit when he was punching the mat to set up for the RKO.

05:43 That's right, he dislocated his shoulder doing his taunt.

05:48 That would be like me dislocating my finger when I do my D-A-D-T-OW.

05:53 During his feud with Wade Barrett in 2012, they did a spot where Barrett threw him down

05:56 a flight of stairs, which herniated a disc in his back which kept him away from the ring

06:00 for a month.

06:01 And shortly after returning, he got a concussion from doing an RKO to The Big Show.

06:06 That's right, he picked up a concussion doing something he does all the time.

06:10 That would be like me getting a concussion from being an annoying prick.

06:14 And to round off 2012, he dislocated his shoulder at that year's Tribute to the Troops, with

06:19 WWE doing Angle with the Shield to write him off TV to recover.

06:23 Man, 2012 was a rough year for Randy Orton.

06:27 In 2015 he picked up another shoulder injury during his feud with the Wyatt Family.

06:32 He was supposed to be on the pre-show for Hell in a Cell teaming with Dean Ambrose,

06:35 but that match was pulled after Orton threw his shoulder out, taking out the trash.

06:41 That's right, he got injured doing a normal, everyday household chore.

06:47 That would be like me getting injured licking Oli Davis' kitchen floor.

06:52 He would be on the shelf for nine months returning just in time to pick up a head injury from

06:56 Brock Lesnar in that infamous SummerSlam match.

06:59 And that brings us to our present day, where Orton injured his back in May of 2022, which

07:05 kept him on the shelf until 2023's Survivor Series.

07:09 Now the reason Orton has suffered so many shoulder related injuries over his career

07:13 is because he has hypermobile shoulders, which means they can pop in and out easier than

07:18 say yours and mine do.

07:20 The longer he wrestled, the more wear and tear his shoulders took, which made them easier

07:25 to hurt - hence why he injured his shoulders doing everyday things like his taunt or taking

07:30 out the garbage.

07:31 And while mounting injuries could have led to the end of Orton's career in WWE, there's

07:36 also been backstage issues that have been well documented over the years.

07:42 In the wake of the death of Eddie Guerrero in 2006 at just 38 years old, WWE introduced

07:48 and implemented the Wellness Policy, a two-step test to check if their talent were clean and

07:54 healthy.

07:55 It wasn't just a drugs test, it was a wellness test.

07:57 It in fact diagnosed MVP's Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome, which could have been fatal

08:02 if gone undiscovered.

08:03 If a talent failed the Wellness Policy, they would be suspended for 30 days for their first

08:08 failure, 60 days for their second, and an immediate termination for their third failure.

08:15 Some big stars were suspended for their failures of the Wellness Policy.

08:19 In 2006 Kurt Angle, Ryback, then Indevelopmental and Rob Van Dam were suspended.

08:24 RBD was WWE Champion at the time.

08:28 And someone else suspended in that first wave of the Wellness Policy was Randy Orton, who

08:33 was suspended for 30 days in August of 2006.

08:37 He was then suspended again, this time for 60 days in May of 2012.

08:42 While it's never been confirmed, David Bixenspan wrote in a 2014 edition of Figure Four Weekly

08:48 that there's an argument that Orton should have had more failures against his name.

08:53 And this also coincided with the new "Redemption" program which was introduced in 2013.

08:58 Perhaps coincidentally, one week before, Orton won the world title at Summerslam.

09:04 The Redemption program, which CM Punk buried on his Art of Wrestling appearance with Colt

09:08 Cabana, gave wrestlers a chance to work off their strikes.

09:11 Bixenspan adds that, "Backstage, there was a lot of joking that the changes were for

09:16 Orton."

09:17 On that Art of Wrestling podcast, Punk exclaims, "I was like, 'You're going to f***ing

09:21 amend the f***ing drugs test policy because of people who have two strikes that they can

09:25 f***ing either fail again or work one of those strikes off, continue to do drugs, and you're

09:29 going to tell me I have to take another piss test?'"

09:33 He may be clean of drugs and alcohol, but his mouth is filthy.

09:36 This Redemption program, jokingly referred to as the "Orton Rule", was argued a way

09:42 for WWE to save face when questions were asked as to why top stars like Randy Orton weren't

09:47 being punished for failing drugs tests.

09:50 Just hilariously, Kurt Angle revealed on his podcast that Orton and RBD would just

09:55 pay the fines that they'd get for failing drug tests for marijuana.

09:59 Angle jokes they asked, "How much were the fines and how many drugs would I do this year?"

10:04 so they wanted to pay the money up front.

10:06 "I think the fine was $2,000.

10:08 So they would just say, 'Here, take 14 grand.

10:12 I'm good.'

10:13 They would bypass the test and they wouldn't get suspended."

10:17 It became common parlance in WWE that this was "weed tax".

10:22 Sean Ross Sapp confirmed in 2022 that WWE no longer handed out suspensions for marijuana

10:27 use.

10:28 There have also been stories - though some are believed to be blown out of proportion

10:32 - about his backstage behaviour.

10:34 He was once accused of "pooping" in the bag of WWE diva Rochelle Lohan, but she herself

10:39 has said that never happened.

10:41 He's also been accused of having anger management issues and flipping out on wrestlers during

10:46 matches, the most infamous of which being Kofi Kingston and Mr. Kennedy.

10:51 There was also that Kurt Bauer story about the handshake, but I won't go too much into

10:55 that, I'll just say that allegedly happened.

10:58 But Orton was never punished, and never fired, because he was a top guy.

11:04 And if WWE let one of their top stars go, they might go to another wrestling company

11:09 and make them some money.

11:12 And that nearly happened in 2019, when Orton teased leaving WWE to sign with All Elite

11:19 Wrestling.

11:20 In October of 2019, Randy Orton posted this image on Instagram.

11:25 It was simply a photo of him by a sign that said "Elite Level".

11:30 While that is interesting in of itself, he also tagged Cody Rhodes, who was an AEW EVP

11:35 at the time, Chris Jericho who had just signed for All Elite Wrestling earlier in the year,

11:39 and WWE names like The Revival, Luke Harper and Riddick Moss.

11:43 The post was also tagged in Jacksonville, the home of AEW, and came with the simple

11:48 phrase, "Tick Tock, Tick Tock".

11:51 Orton's post coincided with the news that his 10 year deal with WWE expired the following

11:57 year and he was in negotiations to re-sign.

12:00 AEW had launched earlier in that year, and Tony Khan had spoken at length about spending

12:05 millions of dollars - especially after securing a deal with TNT to show their wrestling program

12:10 - to sign the biggest names he possibly could to bolster his roster.

12:15 Tagging The Revival and Luke Harper was clearly a pointed gesture, as all three reportedly

12:20 had eyes on leaving WWE for AEW, with Harper requesting his release from the company in

12:26 early 2019.

12:27 I still to this day don't know why he tagged Riddick Moss.

12:31 Dave Meltzer wrote in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, "Orton had inquired about AEW

12:36 from the time of its launch, as a large number of WWE stars did.

12:40 Fightful Select added that Orton has not made it a secret backstage that he would be willing

12:45 to talk to All Elite Wrestling if the opportunity presented itself."

12:49 He also talked about enjoying the first episode of Dynamite on a Twitch stream.

12:53 Orton also began to send tweets to people like Will Ospreay, who had gotten into a Twitter

12:57 spat with Seth Rollins in that same time period, asking for a match with him with the target

13:02 date of June 2020 - essentially announcing publicly when his contract with WWE was coming

13:09 to an end.

13:10 It was widely thought at the time that this was just a negotiation tactic by Orton, playing

13:16 both sides off against each other to get the best possible deal if he were to sign with

13:20 AEW or, more likely, re-sign with WWE.

13:25 And Orton did just that, he re-signed with WWE and told Corey Graves on his After The

13:30 Bell podcast, "I was just having fun."

13:33 More so now than ever, I'm aware of other guys like Will Ospreay and other guys that

13:38 work with Cody.

13:39 I'm watching a little bit more wrestling, I'm not in the WWE bubble as much as I've

13:43 been for almost the last two decades.

13:45 This might be upsetting for some people, but I never really saw myself leaving WWE.

13:52 Orton re-signed that contract in 2019.

13:55 It was a five year deal.

13:57 Next year, that deal is up.

13:59 But while his contract is supposed to end next year, time will be added onto it - 18

14:04 months in fact for the injury - which means it won't expire now until 2025.

14:09 But even without the time being added, there's a very good chance that Orton would still

14:13 re-sign with WWE and not even consider going elsewhere like AEW or New Japan.

14:20 When he re-signed in 2019, he told Corey Graves, "I'm definitely happy being a WWE superstar.

14:26 He's made good money from WWE, has had his house show schedule reduced, has gotten to

14:31 make movies, and, to reiterate, has made a ton of money."

14:36 Dave Meltzer noted on Wrestling Observer Radio, "Randy's made, I'd say, $3.5 million,

14:41 $4 million a year for years and years and years."

14:45 While everyone's salary was escalating when AEW started, Randy was making big money long

14:51 before that, so he should be set.

14:54 And as for those who have said that he's lazy or unmotivated - which seemed to go away

14:58 when his passion was rejuvenated with Matt Riddle - Randy Orton clearly loves wrestling.

15:05 Clearly loves pro wrestling.

15:06 If he didn't, if Randy decided that he didn't want to wrestle anymore, he'd just stop.

15:12 His doctors have told him to stop, but he's come back.

15:15 The hypermobility in his shoulders is only going to get more wear and tear.

15:20 But he's come back.

15:21 I'd like to take you back to that Orton interview he did in 2017, as there's a bit

15:25 more to that quote.

15:27 He said, "The light bulb came on when I stopped giving as much of a crap.

15:31 I don't mean in the sense of being lazy or not caring, you know.

15:34 That's not true at all.

15:36 He's not lazy, he just doesn't give as much of a crap.

15:40 And he clearly does give a crap about pro wrestling."

15:43 But speaking of AEW and signing new talent, there's news that All Elite Wrestling is

15:48 in fact losing money.

15:51 But how true is that?

15:52 Click the video on screen right now to find out more.

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