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- Muhammad Ali Durrani (Politician)
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"Har cheez ka paimana apko PIA ki flight ke saath jorna hoga warna...," Faisal Vawda
Faisal Karim Kundi’s Reaction on Ali Durrani's Statement
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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Faisal Karim Kundi PPP
- Muhammad Ali Durrani (Politician)
- Faisal Vawda (Politician)
"Har cheez ka paimana apko PIA ki flight ke saath jorna hoga warna...," Faisal Vawda
Faisal Karim Kundi’s Reaction on Ali Durrani's Statement
Jo Log Dollar Ko Sona Samajh Kar Jama Karkay Baith Gaye Unko Itni Maar Parney Wali Hai, Faisal Vawda
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00:00 Asalam o Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abasi.
00:14 Will the elections be on time?
00:16 Another debate has begun.
00:18 Although the Supreme Court has already issued very clear orders that no suspicion should be spread about this.
00:27 But the problem is that anything can happen in a country like Pakistan.
00:31 Can elections be postponed?
00:36 Whatever the reason is, will these elections be postponed on the basis of reasons?
00:43 Let's see what our panelists say on this.
00:47 Muslim League Noon is currently looking for a statement.
00:58 You must remember that they made a statement about giving respect to the vote.
01:06 But now it seems that when Muslim League Noon has withdrawn from that statement, it has not been received very well.
01:12 And this is a problem in Muslim League Noon that this tag, this perception should be changed somehow.
01:20 Is Muslim League Noon really looking for a new statement?
01:24 A new conversation is started every day.
01:27 If we are not removed, then they will remove it wrongly.
01:30 They talk about it, but we don't want to do anything about it.
01:33 And there are big talks about a national government.
01:35 Is a PDM style government going to be formed again?
01:39 Will all these parties fight again?
01:44 But will they get together again after the elections?
01:47 And will there be a government that everyone is talking about again and again?
01:51 As Iqbal said, Mian Sahib also wants everyone to govern together.
01:54 Zardari Sahib also said that if 172 is not met, then do not make such incidents and statements that it becomes difficult to sit again.
02:04 I also heard such a statement from Raja Riyal Sahib.
02:06 So, we are talking about how much this is right and how much it is possible that the coming government will be a national government again.
02:15 Faisal Bada Sahib is present with me.
02:17 Muhammad Ali Durrani Sahib is also present with me on DSNG.
02:20 Durrani Sahib, thank you.
02:22 In a while, Faisal Karim Kundi Sahib will also join.
02:24 Bada Sahib, I start with you.
02:26 The elections are being held on time.
02:28 Thank you very much, Akash ji.
02:29 What happened?
02:30 The flight started running on time?
02:31 I think it has started to be cancelled.
02:33 Earlier, it was running on time.
02:35 The reason for the elections in Pakistan is that the PIA's flight comes and goes on time.
02:39 Absolutely.
02:40 Whether it is the elections, the judicial system, democracy or bureaucracy, you have to add everything to the PIA's flight.
02:50 Otherwise, you cannot go to Pakistan.
02:52 So, if you take history, then the PIA's flight will go with you.
02:55 It is another thing that all the ministers who came before and who are still there, should be beaten up for the act they did with the PIA.
03:02 But the barometer of your politics is the PIA.
03:07 That's my answer.
03:09 Are the elections being held on time?
03:11 The PIA flight is not running on time.
03:12 So, you are saying that it is not being held on time.
03:14 It is a big connotation.
03:15 You should not believe it on time.
03:16 You should ask for an hour late.
03:17 You should ask for 15 days late.
03:18 If you ask me openly, I will give my personal opinion.
03:22 I will say that the peace that has come in Pakistan, let this system run.
03:27 And anyway, where is the system in this country?
03:29 It has been 6 months and a year.
03:31 You are saying that let the system run, but you are saying that the system is not there.
03:33 It is not there.
03:34 If the system is not there, then let it be.
03:35 How can we let the system run which is not there?
03:37 I will tell you the way.
03:38 Leave everything.
03:41 Whether it suits you or not.
03:42 Petitions will be filed.
03:43 Demand petitions will be filed.
03:45 A lot will happen.
03:46 The most important factor is the security threat.
03:49 I have been saying this for many weeks and months, but no one is focusing on it.
03:52 We have received press releases from the SPR yesterday and today.
03:59 Some attacks are happening.
04:00 Our judicial system is in a mess.
04:02 You see what is happening.
04:04 If refugees are coming, we cannot remove them.
04:06 We have stood up for human rights.
04:08 The violation of human rights has been happening in this country for 65 years.
04:10 They are going to the border.
04:12 Sometimes you say that you are talking about reversing the incident of 9th May.
04:15 Sometimes you say that there will be no military courts.
04:18 Sometimes you say that spies are allowed in the country.
04:22 You file complaints.
04:23 Sometimes you give stay order.
04:24 Sometimes you make a simple amendment.
04:26 Sometimes you disqualify someone.
04:27 You send someone to jail.
04:28 You call someone.
04:29 You give bail to someone.
04:30 In the coming days, you will see the death of this husband.
04:35 Everything is happening under a structure.
04:38 This is a structure and a system with a dead body.
04:42 The dead bodies of the people who are coming with the parties and who want to win.
04:49 The judicial system has given you the direction.
04:52 Who is the favourite and who is selected this time.
04:54 Last time the courts selected someone else and the favourite was made.
04:57 This time they are going to make someone else.
04:59 Under that structure, you should know that there is so much wealth, so much difficulty, so much pain.
05:06 The structure that has been doing all this, that structure should continue to move forward.
05:12 Now you have to give the court direction.
05:15 What is the law of the constitution?
05:17 Talking about the law of the constitution, the constitution was changed in the last few days.
05:20 The elections have been postponed.
05:21 What happened in the constitution?
05:22 The judges who hanged Bhutto, who violated the constitution, who saved the judge.
05:27 Do you think that we are here today because you did all this with the constitution?
05:31 You said that even after leaving the world, hang the dead bodies, they violated the constitution.
05:37 So who hanged Bhutto, they will be hanged.
05:42 So the constitution is in this country, everyone plays in the game of the constitution.
05:45 Whatever is happening today is happening in the game of the constitution.
05:49 Is it written in the constitution that the soldier will make sacrifices and will not let go?
05:54 Is it not written in the constitution?
05:55 If it is written, then it is written for you, for me, for the judicial system, for the police.
06:00 If I am the army chief and the kind of things that are happening in Pakistan,
06:05 if I am the army chief, then I will withdraw the borders, everyone will know.
06:09 The whole game is being played in the game of the constitution.
06:12 And the game of the constitution is not in the game of supremacy.
06:14 If you want to make a palanquin, you will make a palanquin.
06:17 Excuse me, the deployments on the border and our army, this is also according to the constitution and law.
06:24 Wait a minute, I will correct you because I have started reading into this subject.
06:28 It is not written anywhere in the constitution and law that a soldier will give his life.
06:33 It is not written anywhere.
06:35 And it is not written anywhere in the constitution that you can kill the black man whenever you want under your decisions.
06:40 But sir, the real problem is not this, the real problem is how this system will work.
06:46 It cannot work.
06:47 And if you run this system, then there is a way to run that system.
06:52 See, your home system works in a way, what decision will you make, what will happen.
06:56 So, the constitution is the way in which the system of this country works.
06:59 Where is the constitution?
07:00 He says, get the election done.
07:01 Where is the constitution? You will see.
07:03 Come on, Mr. Kundi, till the time we fix Durrani's camera, he says, then the constitution is fine.
07:07 If the system, if the PIA's election, if the PIA's flight does not come on time, then the system should continue in his opinion.
07:14 There is a caretaker, there is a shortage of money, the dollar has come down, the chief has worked very hard, smuggling has come down.
07:20 There is a lot of control.
07:22 It means it is controllable, it will happen in political government too.
07:25 No, you can't do that, they are all in their pockets.
07:27 People have been in the test for 35 years.
07:29 Whatever this monkey shot will be, there is really a PDM in it, the government is being rephrased and resurfaced again.
07:36 Mr. Kundi.
07:37 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
07:39 See, I don't agree with this.
07:40 You say that Pakistan is doing a free and fair election, everything will be done.
07:44 If there is no free and fair election, then it will be like you say, monkey shot.
07:48 Let the people decide, why not?
07:50 If you talk about PIA, then see, PIA is pre-planned, sometimes they say oil, sometimes they say, they have to distribute the goods.
07:58 They have to sell and distribute the goods, that this is yours, this is mine, this is yours.
08:02 You will know if, tomorrow PIA is sold, you will know who is buying, who is sharing, what things are they buying.
08:08 And what is the relationship with whom.
08:10 So, these things are going on.
08:12 So, Pakistan is going on like this.
08:14 If Pakistan is going on like this, then.
08:15 May Allah protect this country like this.
08:17 These are the problems of our system.
08:19 How long will this go on?
08:20 This is the problem.
08:21 If you want to make Pakistan PIA, then it is a different matter.
08:25 If you want to make PIA, then you want to make it a good airline.
08:29 If you want to make it a good airline, then get a free and fair election.
08:32 If you want to make PIA, then get another Ladle and record a selection.
08:36 Then why do the election?
08:38 It costs 60,000 rupees.
08:39 The people also spend money.
08:41 Then you do selection plus selection is equal to notification.
08:45 In your program, at night, you will get a lot of flowers.
08:49 Go, go.
08:50 Go.
08:51 You want to make it with a simple notification, Prime Minister.
08:53 Why do you want to make it so expensive?
08:55 But the problem with them is that there is a debate about how many seats will be ours.
08:59 Get an election for that.
09:00 We will become the Prime Minister.
09:02 Issue an audience.
09:03 Yes, but how many seats will be there?
09:05 The president of their mosque's community will sit.
09:06 And then there is no parliament.
09:08 Do the audience.
09:09 That's it.
09:10 There is a parliament.
09:11 We have to complete the numbers.
09:12 You have to do this, you have to make a show.
09:15 You do not respect the mandate of the people.
09:17 You mean to people that Pakistan has only the right to stamp their thumb.
09:23 Sir.
09:24 There is no other option.
09:25 So you want to take away the power from them.
09:27 Then what do you do?
09:28 Sir, listen to me.
09:29 In this country, the vote of the dead is counted.
09:31 Its decision comes after three elections.
09:33 And the thing that Mr. Kundi is talking about, free and fair elections have not happened in the history of 65 years.
09:40 Neither will it be, nor will it ever be.
09:42 Why?
09:43 Because our system is self-oriented.
09:45 It is based on self-interest.
09:47 Everything.
09:48 The judicial system is based on self-interest.
09:50 Your democratic system is based on self-interest.
09:53 You are telling them that they have the province of Sindh.
09:56 They have 99 seats in it, 98 seats.
09:58 You will shoot a lot of arrows, you will do 90.
10:00 Sindh will remain with them.
10:02 In the federation, all this IPP, Khattak, Khattak, Nawaz Sharif.
10:05 Now see why are all these things happening?
10:07 Our debate should be that which crimes were not committed by Nawaz Sharif first?
10:13 He did not commit them.
10:15 And now he is going to commit them.
10:17 He will also do the court.
10:18 And I have already told you in your program that the direction of the bureaucracy,
10:22 the bureaucratic system is telling you and the administrative structure, the judiciary is telling you very clearly.
10:28 It is being given in detail.
10:30 What is the future?
10:32 Who is the future? And who is going to be the Prime Minister of Pakistan?
10:34 And how will Pakistan's destruction happen?
10:36 Mr. Durrani, I saw a statement of yours.
10:38 You said in a TV program that a party is now roaming around as a ruler.
10:43 You talked about the Muslim League.
10:45 All these people who are talking that fair and free elections have never been in the past and will never be in the future.
10:50 Is this really true that free and fair elections will not happen?
10:53 The upcoming elections.
10:55 In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
10:58 Sir, being free and fair in elections is a question mark.
11:05 There were many questions marks in the past elections.
11:08 But this is also a fact that there is no other way than elections.
11:12 How can you say that there is no other way?
11:15 What kind of elections are you talking about?
11:17 I think there is no other way than free and fair elections.
11:20 There is no other way than fair and free elections.
11:24 The first thing is that there is no other way than elections.
11:28 For this time, I will put another preface that this time there is no other way than fair and free elections.
11:34 And the proposal that I have given for this is also a proposal that is moving forward towards it.
11:41 Which we have been going on for so many years.
11:44 If we do such an experiment this time,
11:47 In which we all together move national interests ahead of our political and personal interests.
11:53 For which I have suggested that an elected national unity government should be formed.
11:59 Which has never been done in the past in Pakistan.
12:03 But it has been done in Britain, in South Africa, and is being done in Ireland even now.
12:08 That all political parties, all parties should be elected and then parliament.
12:13 No, not only the government.
12:15 To govern, the PDM government was also formed.
12:19 But it could not give those results.
12:22 The government that I am talking about and the government that the democratic republics have made its way.
12:28 That government is that on a national agenda, all political parties decide before the election.
12:36 That after the election, we will all make such a government together.
12:40 In which the biggest party will suggest its Prime Minister and he will elect it to parliament.
12:46 And along with that, 30% of the votes will be taken.
12:48 But the basis of this will be a free and fair election.
12:52 You will have a fair election.
12:54 And you will say that you will decide.
12:56 Free election in which no one can raise a finger.
12:58 In that everyone decides how to run.
13:02 So now a lot of voices have started coming.
13:04 Mr. Zardari has given this suggestion of the national government.
13:08 This is what other people are saying.
13:10 Why are they talking?
13:12 Oppositions are there.
13:14 Opposition is only there so that the government can keep track.
13:17 And they have to sit together in the government.
13:19 So what is the need to get you elected?
13:21 Then you make a government like this.
13:23 Make a government like this.
13:25 Run the country like that.
13:27 Look, I will tell you a date from history for this.
13:33 When there are extraordinary circumstances, extraordinary actions have to be taken.
13:38 You will not be able to give anything to the people at this time between the opposition and the government.
13:45 At this time, if you succeed in making such a government.
13:50 Whose agenda will be economy.
13:52 Whose agenda will be the political order of the future.
13:56 Whose agenda will be the system of local self-government.
14:00 Which we have come in the constitution after the 18th amendment in 76 years.
14:04 But you have not been able to apply it in the whole country yet.
14:07 Now your need is that you are a national consensus.
14:12 Sir, you are saying that the work that has never been done in the history of Pakistan, now do it.
14:17 Sometimes you have to do it.
14:19 Look, you have done every work in history because of which the people did not get anything.
14:24 Sir, not once, but repeatedly.
14:26 We are going to do it again.
14:28 Now you are doing it again and again.
14:30 Now you do such a work once because of which the priority, the center point is the people.
14:37 And in this, political parties and establishment and the people together will guard this thing.
14:45 That a government of 1-5 years comes.
14:48 Which is primarily on a national agenda, which is mutually compatible.
14:53 And let me tell you that today a big leader has said this.
14:58 Tomorrow all the big leaders will say the same thing.
15:00 Because the pressure of the people and the pressure of the whole environment.
15:04 And the pressure of the country's situation will increase so much.
15:07 Okay, the pressure will not increase, the government is clear.
15:10 You also know that governments are made.
15:12 You are saying that you have gone to the next step.
15:15 Make a government of national unity.
15:17 The first step should be free and fair elections.
15:20 No one has any pressure on it.
15:22 Neither are they giving pressure, nor are they.
15:24 The pressure of the people is that you give us your right.
15:27 First ask a question.
15:28 The election is being held on time because I have asked this question before you came.
15:31 A debate has started that the election will not be on time.
15:33 How long can we do elections on time?
15:35 Is this a request program or something?
15:37 No, no, I said how long can we do elections on time?
15:39 No, no, I don't understand.
15:40 There is a law, there is a law in this country.
15:42 I am telling you that such requests do not come to me.
15:44 I am saying that how long will they keep violating the law?
15:46 I am just saying that look, I have not met Mr. Fahed Yusuf.
15:50 But once I did not meet him, but I saw him when the golden jubilee was being celebrated.
15:55 Parliament.
15:56 I heard a speech in which he said that if this country will run on time, then everything will be fine.
16:02 So I think that with Fahed Yusuf, I don't think so that anyone can play with the election.
16:07 The second thing is that Durrani sir said very good things.
16:11 Either this is their own wish or a request program.
16:14 He doesn't take you seriously.
16:16 Okay.
16:17 So, I mean, these things are, I don't know that Durrani sir.
16:21 I don't know either.
16:22 I don't know why we want to do something like this.
16:24 The second thing is that the people say that you should do the election on time.
16:28 And give us the right to vote for the candidate we want.
16:33 They will give their policies as per their wish.
16:35 They can implement their policies.
16:36 This is how democracies work.
16:38 The problem is that you give them the right.
16:40 And how democracies don't work, you look at our system.
16:42 If they vote for the People's Party or not, or PTI or PMLN or anybody,
16:46 they don't vote for it, you give it to the people.
16:48 The second thing is that the consensus government,
16:50 when we are in the field, we can see that no political party,
16:54 I don't think so, can take a majority.
16:56 That's why they say that the consensus government can be formed in the future.
17:02 The 125 seats that the Punjabis are giving statements, that is...
17:06 If the Punjabis vote for them first, we will know.
17:10 You are saying that if they run alone, they will come second.
17:12 If they run alone, maybe they will come second, I don't know about third.
17:16 Look, if they are doing two-way politics or whatever,
17:22 then the problem is that they are not running in the public.
17:24 They are waiting for the schedule.
17:26 And if they believe that we are winning the elections,
17:28 then why don't they demand for the elections?
17:30 What is this National Unity Government?
17:32 National Unity Government, look, we made a government in 2008.
17:36 Look, you can't say that there will be no opposition.
17:38 Yes, the opposition will support you when all the parties believe that
17:42 there will be a fair and fair election.
17:44 We have not voted, we are sitting in the opposition.
17:46 But will this position change after the elections?
17:48 What?
17:49 You were demanding for PDA, you said that it's okay,
17:52 now the elections are fair, it's not okay.
17:54 Look, the PTA government has passed,
17:57 and we had some 16 months, and they took a 10-year agenda,
18:00 that nothing will be said in 10 years, and they are being supported.
18:02 They were watching TV, they were told to wait for 6-9 months,
18:05 they were told not to bash on TV, let them run.
18:09 You kept running, but when you couldn't run, what were you doing?
18:13 Look, if you do this, people are watching,
18:15 you don't know how long 5 years pass.
18:18 Look, now this country cannot tolerate this,
18:21 that you always do a rigged election,
18:23 and do a selection, and bring your supporters,
18:25 sometimes have mercy on this country, and then do the election.
18:28 Who are your supporters?
18:29 You yourself are saying that no one will win,
18:30 if they don't win, then who are your supporters?
18:32 Look, there is always this rumor of PMLN that they have dragged the institutions into politics,
18:36 and they want to drag it again,
18:38 and they say that we have dragged it so that
18:40 on one side we are there, and on the other side the parties start speaking against the institutions.
18:44 So this is their agenda, or a plan to do so.
18:48 So you see the past of PMLN,
18:50 they have always dragged the institutions.
18:52 There is no majority?
18:54 You said it very well, that you ran alone and came second.
18:59 The problem is that there is a need for reason,
19:02 we used to write in the class, PTO.
19:04 The statements that are coming that we will take 125 seats from Punjab,
19:06 there are 140 total,
19:08 and it is also visible that who will compete?
19:11 People's Party, maybe on a few seats,
19:13 they have goodish candidates,
19:16 winning candidates, I don't know,
19:18 South Punjab maybe.
19:20 So where is Pakistan?
19:21 Do you think that on a few seats,
19:23 I can only say one person,
19:24 except if Mr. Jankind Singh is going to run for the election from Lodhra,
19:27 I can only say one person who can win.
19:29 I am telling you, the people of HBP,
19:32 people like them a lot in their hearts,
19:35 and they will execute them.
19:37 If the people of HBP like them,
19:38 it means that there is something like this.
19:40 My friend, Kundi,
19:42 Kundi started talking about politics.
19:45 Earlier Kundi used to be a hard hitter,
19:47 he used to talk very carefully.
19:49 You are not able to bash Noon League.
19:51 What did I do?
19:52 You used to sit in the plane,
19:54 eat with Tikka Boti,
19:55 the foreign minister was yours,
19:57 today you are going to eat with us,
19:59 you will be forced to abuse each other.
20:01 People's Party started it.
20:02 After that, it didn't have any effect,
20:04 so they gave statements that,
20:07 Mr. Zardari came and broke the interview.
20:10 Before that, he was sitting quietly,
20:12 now Mr. Bilal went behind,
20:14 now Mr. Zardari has taken on,
20:15 he has taken charge,
20:16 he said that I will give,
20:17 I will give the ticket,
20:18 I will give this and that,
20:19 he is a kid, he is young,
20:20 he is emotional,
20:21 whatever he is,
20:22 now you listen to him.
20:23 He is inexperienced, untrained.
20:24 Okay, I am talking about the same.
20:26 They gave this statement,
20:27 Nawaz Sharif has no statements,
20:29 Mr. Mehngar has brought the story of missing person,
20:31 she is playing the old whistle of the immigrants,
20:33 everyone has the same thing of taking someone's vote.
20:35 We are sad, we have been oppressed,
20:37 we did not do this,
20:38 we brought the moon,
20:39 my father was like this.
20:40 Your father says,
20:41 I am not interested,
20:42 what are you,
20:43 I am interested to know.
20:44 My father,
20:45 I give examples again and again,
20:47 he has been driving for 55 years,
20:48 can he drive a Ferrari today?
20:49 He can't drive,
20:50 he has a shelf life,
20:51 have some shame.
20:52 You have ruined the country 10 times,
20:54 then you talk about the national concession,
20:56 then we say,
20:57 he is going to be,
20:58 and all these parameters,
21:00 the parameters that we are discussing,
21:02 we are discussing irrelevant,
21:04 we are not involved in politics,
21:05 nor is X involved,
21:06 nor is Y involved,
21:07 nor is Z,
21:08 one thing is involved in this.
21:09 So what are you saying,
21:10 one is that free fair elections will not happen,
21:12 they never happened,
21:13 they will not happen,
21:14 they will not happen.
21:15 You are talking about me,
21:16 that is the motivation,
21:17 notify the audience,
21:18 I have no problem,
21:19 I am saying,
21:20 why are you doing the drama of the caretaker,
21:22 put a caretaker's plate in the government of Shabaz Sharif,
21:25 and keep running it,
21:26 keep running this country,
21:27 brother,
21:28 as long as the contractors of your country,
21:30 who can fix the country's sim,
21:32 that is your judicial system,
21:34 you cannot make a century in cricket,
21:36 but you have come to the judicial system at 140,
21:39 all the talks we are doing,
21:40 all the months we are spending,
21:41 we will cross the double century,
21:43 your judicial system is not in place,
21:45 please we need to understand,
21:47 we blame,
21:48 but this is their job,
21:50 whom you elect,
21:51 fight and bring to the assembly,
21:53 who fights,
21:54 that the system should be fixed,
21:56 when you have fair elections,
21:58 this is,
21:59 he will come and do it,
22:00 how will it be fair,
22:02 whose stick is his sister,
22:04 whose DC, AC, police, RO,
22:06 boxes,
22:07 experts,
22:08 did you forget MQ,
22:09 used to take 1.5 lakh votes,
22:10 today she is not able to take 1.5 thousand votes,
22:12 how was this,
22:13 used to make football,
22:14 used to kill,
22:15 used to shoot,
22:16 used to hit,
22:17 I have understood your problem in this country,
22:19 now you,
22:20 I am making a record of your show today,
22:22 you will see in the next 15 days,
22:24 people who have deposited the dollar,
22:26 thinking it is gold,
22:27 they will be hit so much,
22:29 they will be harmed,
22:31 ok,
22:32 will it happen?
22:33 how will it happen,
22:34 you say stick will work for it,
22:36 governance,
22:37 monitoring system,
22:38 you will not be interested in earning money,
22:40 you will fix things,
22:41 your money will be fixed,
22:42 you tell me,
22:43 Kashi sir,
22:44 you know more than I know,
22:46 why are you not giving me your analysis,
22:48 you smile,
22:49 you put it on us,
22:50 you ask us,
22:51 you don't know what is happening in Pakistan,
22:53 and what is going to happen next,
22:54 what is the court telling you,
22:56 what is the system telling you,
22:57 this system tells me a lot,
22:59 you can't say,
23:00 I know you are helpless,
23:01 we are telling you,
23:02 I am not helpless,
23:03 the situation is helpless,
23:05 we are not helpless,
23:06 you know how it is,
23:07 I will also go,
23:08 answer me one thing,
23:09 if Mr. D.N. has to run alone,
23:11 what should I do,
23:12 answer me one thing,
23:13 how long will we run,
23:14 we will say this,
23:15 tell me one thing,
23:16 there are explosions every day,
23:17 does anyone have an idea,
23:19 in which direction we are going,
23:20 the problem of refugees,
23:21 you are doing drama on human grounds,
23:24 you get the law and petitions put on you,
23:26 you get it removed,
23:27 you take it up,
23:28 Iran has removed the visa passport holders,
23:32 no one has touched them,
23:33 have you ever seen your neighbouring country,
23:35 India,
23:36 that they have made decisions against their country,
23:38 which is being organized by the Khar Magadam,
23:40 we should debate this,
23:42 we should discuss this,
23:43 that when will our judicial system be fine,
23:45 how will it be fine,
23:46 who will do it,
23:47 can a poor man afford a lawyer,
23:50 can he afford a uniform?
23:52 Let's take a break,
23:53 this is the system,
23:54 the system is in a bad state,
23:55 let's take a break,
23:56 let's see how to fix the system,
23:59 can we fix the system,
24:02 after a break.
24:04 Welcome back viewers,
24:09 before we go ahead,
24:11 will Mr. Terry Kane get the Badlai Nisaan,
24:14 the level playing field is also being discussed,
24:17 and Mr. Zardari's interview,
24:19 that has also created a lot of ripples,
24:21 but Mr. Durrani,
24:22 so one thing is that PDM 2.0,
24:25 will be another government,
24:26 in your opinion,
24:27 post elections.
24:28 My opinion in this,
24:33 as I said,
24:34 I speak as a common citizen,
24:37 so I will express myself in a very humble way,
24:41 I am not assertive about any of my opinion,
24:45 but I think that,
24:47 at this time,
24:48 a PDM 2.0 type government will not work,
24:51 but at this time,
24:52 a national unity government,
24:54 which is included in the entire parliament,
24:57 Sir,
24:58 PDM Naipuri is a government of the parliament,
25:01 one party outside,
25:02 and the rest are in the government.
25:03 The parliament will be closed.
25:04 Yes,
25:05 so I think that,
25:06 that party should also be included,
25:08 and all the parties should be included,
25:10 and should come through fair and free elections.
25:15 Sir, you are saying that,
25:16 the way and the level playing field should be found.
25:19 Yes,
25:20 everyone should get it,
25:21 democracy is the name of this,
25:23 if we accept democracy,
25:25 and a common citizen's democracy,
25:26 like me,
25:27 a humble citizen's democracy is like this,
25:30 which can be asked,
25:31 that in what capacity are you talking about this,
25:33 I talk in my capacity,
25:36 but along with that,
25:37 my opinion is also that,
25:38 the situation of the country at this time,
25:41 and the demands of the country at this time,
25:44 the problems of the people at this time,
25:46 for all those leaders,
25:48 in fact, I had also suggested this to the PMLN people,
25:51 that when you talked about mutual understanding,
25:53 everyone liked Minar-e-Pakistan,
25:55 but when you started taking the Prime Minister's protocol,
25:59 then your status was suddenly shaken,
26:02 you became controversial,
26:04 that is why,
26:05 the elections that are going to take place now,
26:08 from that only the leader will come out with respect,
26:11 who will stand for fair and free elections,
26:14 who will not be trying for this,
26:17 that someone selects me and makes me sit,
26:20 who will be trying for this,
26:22 that I become a head in front of the selection of the people,
26:26 and the second thing is that,
26:27 I will tell you very frankly,
26:29 that this is the time,
26:30 that when all the politicians,
26:32 if they are from the establishment,
26:34 they beg, or expect,
26:37 or request,
26:39 that they should take us somewhere,
26:41 so at this time,
26:42 the establishment also has this responsibility,
26:44 that where they make sacrifices for the country,
26:46 there they should make another sacrifice,
26:48 that they should demand from the politicians,
26:50 that this time they should also make a sacrifice for their interests,
26:54 and through a fair and free election,
26:56 the government that is going to be formed,
26:58 should be taken in that discipline,
27:00 that is going in a straight line,
27:04 and should be there for 5 years,
27:06 Sir, when you say that in history,
27:08 there has never been a free and fair election,
27:10 so this means that if any party,
27:12 these are the parties that have existed in the past 40 years,
27:16 no one wants a free and fair election,
27:18 who is the beneficiary,
27:20 who is the casualty at that time,
27:22 this keeps changing,
27:23 the rest of the system goes on like that,
27:25 see, everyone says this,
27:29 I am taking it at face value,
27:31 at this time,
27:32 tell me one leader,
27:33 who says that I don't want a fair and free election in Pakistan,
27:37 show me one,
27:39 if everyone says this,
27:41 then those who want to do it,
27:42 they should run on this,
27:43 that we will make it fair and free,
27:45 and we will make it on this discipline,
27:47 and we will make it on this target,
27:49 that whoever comes,
27:50 he will work for the country,
27:51 do it for 5 years,
27:53 after that, whatever has to be done,
27:54 keep doing it,
27:55 once at least to bring the country on the right track,
27:59 out of box,
28:00 move towards a solution,
28:02 Sir, this is not an out of box solution,
28:03 this is a free and fair election,
28:04 Sir, this is written in the book of the constitution,
28:06 this is a big,
28:07 big, in from the box solution,
28:09 that a free election should be done,
28:10 I am talking about after that,
28:12 I am talking about after that,
28:14 that after a fair and free election,
28:16 when you talk about a national unity government,
28:19 then the elections themselves will start going towards fair and free,
28:23 and for that,
28:24 when you set the agenda first,
28:26 actually, what I am saying,
28:28 that has never been done before,
28:29 it is being done now,
28:31 so it may take some time to implement it,
28:34 but this path,
28:36 this is now,
28:37 all the institutions of the country,
28:39 whether it is the judiciary,
28:41 whether it is the army,
28:42 whether it is the bureaucracy,
28:44 whether it is the politicians,
28:46 all together,
28:47 whether it is the intellectuals,
28:48 who are the intellectuals of our country,
28:50 all together,
28:51 for the national interest,
28:53 we will have to find a way,
28:55 which will come out of the political process,
28:57 and for the leaders,
29:00 for the leaders of this time,
29:02 who will take this thing forward,
29:05 who will take this thing forward,
29:07 for them,
29:08 in the future,
29:09 it will become a symbol of respect,
29:10 and this time,
29:11 if someone comes after being selected,
29:13 then he will be so humiliated,
29:15 that even in the future,
29:16 his history will not be able to be humiliated,
29:18 that I am feeling this thing,
29:20 and while feeling this,
29:22 I will talk about the next,
29:24 the next election,
29:25 the people's continuity,
29:26 Sir, let's talk about this for continuity,
29:28 Yes,
29:29 Mr. Wada,
29:30 the thing is,
29:31 what happened after 2018,
29:32 do you want it to happen again in this country?
29:34 This happened in 2007,
29:35 this happened in 2013,
29:36 this happened in 2018,
29:37 this happened in 2024,
29:38 if it happens in 2024,
29:39 if it happens in 2024,
29:40 this will happen in 2024,
29:41 it will happen in 2024,
29:42 yes,
29:43 24th is a long time,
29:45 365 days,
29:46 12 months,
29:47 in the month of February,
29:48 February 2024,
29:49 yes,
29:50 I told you that the Pyagi flight will take off,
29:52 did you get any news?
29:53 I know that my niece was in it,
29:55 so the flight was delayed,
29:57 then it was cancelled,
29:59 then I think it was going for 2-4 hours,
30:02 it was delayed and then cancelled,
30:04 yes,
30:05 then it went,
30:06 then it went,
30:07 yes,
30:08 it is a pre-planned,
30:09 it is a pre-planned,
30:10 so,
30:11 I am saying that,
30:12 the thing has been accomplished,
30:13 and let us sell it,
30:14 so,
30:15 the thing has been accomplished,
30:16 so,
30:17 let us sell it,
30:18 so,
30:19 let us sell it,
30:20 so,
30:21 let us sell it,
30:22 so,
30:23 let us sell it,
30:24 so,
30:25 let us sell it,
30:26 so,
30:27 let us sell it,
30:28 so,
30:29 let us sell it,
30:30 so,
30:31 let us sell it,
30:32 so,
30:33 let us sell it,
30:34 so,
30:35 let us sell it,
30:36 so,
30:37 let us sell it,
30:38 so,
30:39 let us sell it,
30:40 so,
30:41 let us sell it,
30:42 so,
30:43 let us sell it,
30:44 so,
30:45 let us sell it,
30:46 so,
30:47 let us sell it,
30:48 so,
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30:50 so,
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30:52 so,
30:53 let us sell it,
30:54 so,
30:55 let us sell it,
30:56 so,
30:57 let us sell it,
30:58 so,
30:59 let us sell it,
31:00 so,
31:01 let us sell it,
31:02 so,
31:03 let us sell it,
31:04 so,
31:05 let us sell it,
31:06 so,
31:07 let us sell it,
31:08 so,
31:09 let us sell it,
31:10 so,
31:11 let us sell it,
31:12 so,
31:13 let us sell it,
31:14 so,
31:15 let us sell it,
31:16 so,
31:17 let us sell it,
31:18 so,
31:19 let us sell it,
31:20 so,
31:21 let us sell it,
31:22 so,
31:23 let us sell it,
31:24 so,
31:25 let us sell it,
31:26 so,
31:27 let us sell it,
31:28 so,
31:29 let us sell it,
31:30 so,
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31:32 so,
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31:34 so,
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31:38 so,
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31:40 so,
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31:42 so,
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31:44 so,
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31:52 so,
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31:54 so,
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31:56 so,
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32:00 so,
32:01 let us sell it,
32:02 so,
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32:04 so,
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32:06 so,
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32:10 so,
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33:00 so,
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34:00 so,
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41:48 so,
41:49 let us sell it,
41:50 elections in the whole country. You have not considered the people of this country capable enough to be given the power to speak.