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۔IHC acquits Nawaz Sharif in Avenfield reference - Complete Details
۔Hassan Ayub raises important question regarding Nawaz Sharif's cases
۔Barrister Ali Zafar met PTI Chief - Why did the nomination for PTI Chairman slot become a mystery?
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Transcript
00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:02 Islamabad has been full of news all day today.
00:06 We will share all the news with you today,
00:09 and will give our assessment and comments on it.
00:12 As usual, Hassan Ayub and Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin are with us.
00:15 Obviously, last night there was a big debate
00:18 about who will be the new chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:21 Obviously, the current chairman, who is now a former chairman,
00:25 has made some decisions regarding him.
00:27 Today, the entire leadership of the party sat together
00:30 and then they held a press conference.
00:32 What points were put forward, what were the reasons,
00:35 what were the circumstances, and in the coming days,
00:38 we will talk about the extent of the party's politics.
00:41 Along with that, dear viewers, today we have another very exclusive story.
00:45 What is that story?
00:46 Respected Ishaq Dar Sahib,
00:48 you know that the last year's PDM government,
00:52 the finance minister was him,
00:54 the official figures he gave regarding economic development in Pakistan,
01:00 he was challenging the World Bank IMF at that time,
01:03 and the reporters who cover the Pakistan economy at that time
01:08 were also saying that Dar Sahib,
01:10 I don't understand your words,
01:12 but Dar Sahib was fighting as usual.
01:15 Today, officially, dear viewers,
01:17 me or Hassan Ayub and Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin
01:20 are not taking any action on this.
01:22 Today, it has been officially proven that that figure was a fraud.
01:27 A game was played with numbers.
01:30 We will talk about that in detail in the last part of the program.
01:34 Dear viewers, you know what was waiting for,
01:36 especially me and Hassan Ayub,
01:38 that decision has come today.
01:40 The decision has come today from the Islamabad High Court.
01:43 And Tahiyyat Qaid, respected Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
01:45 Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin Sahib,
01:47 two of their cases, the flagship and the Avonfield cases,
01:52 have been acquitted.
01:54 And by being acquitted, they have become a laughing stock.
01:57 And their statement that a nab was used against us,
02:00 a false charge was made against us,
02:03 all the witch hunting against us,
02:06 has been proven in the court of law today.
02:09 And the court has decided to acquit them.
02:12 The rest, they have a case of Rekabat Al Aziziya in their path.
02:16 It is just a matter of time.
02:18 The lawyer will be appointed the day after tomorrow.
02:20 The decision is also expected on that.
02:22 And then, Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin Sahib,
02:24 the path will be absolutely clear.
02:25 But first of all, Hussain Chaudhry Sahib is with us.
02:29 We will ask him what happened in the court today.
02:31 Dear viewers, do you remember that a few days ago,
02:35 the date was in the Islamabad High Court
02:37 when these cases were filed.
02:41 The prosecutor of the NAB was asked by the court
02:46 how much time would be required.
02:48 He said, "At the maximum, half an hour."
02:51 We commented that they have to leave the house for half an hour.
02:56 They have to leave the house and go to their office.
02:58 They have to take a car from the office and go to the court.
03:01 This half an hour will take during this time.
03:04 In front of the court, they have to say that
03:06 we have to withdraw the case.
03:09 Obviously, when a prosecutor,
03:11 when he is not going to fight his case,
03:14 the court is closed.
03:16 Hussain Chaudhry is with us.
03:18 Hussain, please share the proceedings with us.
03:20 We have heard and read the decision.
03:22 The important thing is that
03:24 the two cases in which the case was filed,
03:27 what was asked from the prosecutor of the NAB,
03:31 and how many questions were asked from the prosecutor of the NAB,
03:34 and how much time did they take,
03:36 and then the decision was made.
03:38 We have heard that the decision was as usual.
03:41 I will ask Hassan Ayub that the decision was not even secured.
03:46 It was immediately announced.
03:48 Yes, Hussain.
03:49 Yes, Mr. Khawar.
03:51 In 2016, the cases of Panama were filed in the Supreme Court.
03:55 After that, the references were issued.
03:57 On 24 December 2018,
04:00 the court announced the decision of two cases.
04:04 One was a flagship reference in which Nawaz Sharif was acquitted.
04:07 And the other was a reference in which he was punished.
04:10 But in July 2018,
04:12 Nawaz Sharif was punished in the Evanfield reference.
04:15 So today, the Evanfield reference,
04:17 which was a reference related to the London flag,
04:19 Islamabad High Court has acquitted Nawaz Sharif in it.
04:23 And today, because the definitive arguments were of Hamjat Parvez,
04:26 he has completed his arguments.
04:28 As far as the matter of half an hour of NAB is concerned,
04:31 the NAB did not even take half an hour.
04:33 Today, during the first hearing,
04:35 when Hamjat Parvez was discussing important things,
04:38 and the Islamabad High Court had acquitted
04:40 Maryam Nawaz and Captain Sabdar,
04:42 the NAB relied on that.
04:44 During that time, Justice Neogol addressed the NAB and said,
04:48 "Hamjat Parvez is doing very important things.
04:51 Are you noting them?"
04:53 After that, the NAB said, "Yes, we are noting them."
04:56 At that time, Justice Neogol smiled and said,
04:58 "How are you noting them? You don't even have a pen."
05:01 After that, there were many arguments in the court.
05:04 And after that, Hamjat Parvez continued his arguments.
05:07 During that time, when the NAB was asked again by the court,
05:10 "Maryam Nawaz and Captain Sabdar have been acquitted,
05:13 but why didn't you challenge the High Court's decision in the Supreme Court?"
05:17 At that time, it was said that we did not challenge that decision,
05:21 and it is still binding on this court.
05:23 During that time, the proceedings were stopped there.
05:26 And Justice Neogol said to the NAB,
05:28 "Then why are we sitting here? Why are we wasting time?
05:31 When you did not challenge the High Court's decision,
05:34 then this case is over. Then why are we doing this?
05:37 If that decision is binding on us, then it becomes an acquittal."
05:40 And then the court acquitted Maryam Nawaz and Captain Sabdar.
05:44 On that basis, today, the Supreme Court acquitted Nawaz Sheikh.
05:48 Along with that, the second case of the flagship reference came.
05:51 So on that too, the court asked the NAB briefly,
05:54 "What do you have to do about the High Court's decision that you challenged?"
05:57 On that, the NAB briefly said that we are withdrawing it, taking it back,
06:02 and the case was returned.
06:04 So, out of these three cases, two cases were released.
06:07 "So, how much time did the NAB's prosecutors waste in your assessment?
06:14 How many questions were asked and how much time did it take in your assessment?
06:16 Two minutes, four minutes, five minutes? How much time did it take?"
06:19 If you tell the total time, it would not have taken even five minutes,
06:24 because during the hearing itself, they asked two or three questions.
06:28 Hassan, I have understood. Hassan wants to ask you a question.
06:32 Hassan, tell me, first of all, let us not give it the impression that this decision is contrary to the merit.
06:38 The first question is that this decision is on merit.
06:41 And the second question is that when Amjad Parvez told the NAB reference that
06:45 neither was the evaluation of those properties made at the time of acquiring done,
06:52 nor was the nexus proven that somehow these properties belong to Nawaz Sharif,
06:56 and also it was said that when he was questioned by the NAB,
06:59 when the court asked that when this reference was not made,
07:02 you did not have evidence, then why did you make the reference?
07:05 So, this NAB prosecutor told us that the court, the Supreme Court had ordered.
07:10 Did these things happen?
07:12 Yes, absolutely. This is what happened.
07:15 As far as taking time is concerned, we were talking about how much time the NAB has taken today.
07:21 Because in the last hearing, you will remember that the NAB said that it will take half an hour or more.
07:27 So, there was no big progress in that regard.
07:29 But Amjad Parvez has given detailed blames in the NAB.
07:32 He also mentioned Panama JIT, the Supreme Court, the monitoring judge,
07:39 and the obvious income, along with that, he had to tell that
07:43 what was the price at that time while making the basis, that was not told.
07:47 Which was a very important thing.
07:49 Secondly, Amjad Parvez also said that these properties were made between 1993 and 1996.
07:55 During that time, Chief Justice Amir Farooq also asked him that these properties were acquired at different times.
08:01 Tell us their details. Along with that, their dates were also told.
08:04 But because on the other hand, a larger version of the NAB did not come forward,
08:09 so that which was approved by Mariam Nawaz and Captain Sardar last year,
08:14 this time, the two-point bench was also made, in which Chief Justice Amir Farooq and Justice Mohsin were shown.
08:20 One question, I was seeing that, obviously, the decision has been made by the respected judge of Islamabad High Court.
08:27 The court's decision is on the table.
08:30 Obviously, the decision is right or wrong, there is an argument on it.
08:34 The Supreme Court's decisions are also discussed.
08:37 Now, the question I want to ask you is, Mr. Chaudhary Ramzan, you can ask any question, otherwise I will ask.
08:42 Basically, a common question is raised that the ownership of the flats there and the resources used,
08:51 has it been recorded at any place that these were the resources and these resources were used and this was their transaction and all that?
09:01 Or has the matter ended today?
09:02 Where this NAB had to establish.
09:04 Yes, absolutely. Today, Amjad Parvez has said that this prosecution had to establish everything, but nothing was established.
09:15 And he said that the court said that Mariam Nawaz was a beneficial owner and Nawaz was also under guardianship.
09:21 Amjad Parvez also said that the court said that children are usually under the guardianship of the father.
09:26 He referred to a case of the Lahore High Court. He said that the former Farbera, IB's mortgages, retired Amtiaz,
09:34 were acquitted by the Lahore High Court and on the same basis, the accused's claim of being a defendant,
09:39 the value of the property and the determination of income, without any reference, was established.
09:44 He has given reference to this today in this evidence.
09:47 And he said that the Supreme Court has repeated the decision of the Lahore High Court.
09:53 And the court has not made any contradictory decision in this regard.
09:57 Mr. Ikram Singh, would you like to ask a question?
09:59 Why me? I have come from home anyway.
10:03 No, no, Mr. Acharya, please.
10:04 Mr. Khawar Goman, who I consider, the NAB had made cases at that time.
10:09 Today's NAB did not contest on the matter.
10:13 So what should the court do?
10:14 They said, okay, you acquitted them, you can do them too, we have nothing.
10:19 This is it, I understood this.
10:21 No, no, let's discuss among ourselves.
10:23 Hussain, thank you very much for giving time and for all the details.
10:26 Okay, let's ask you.
10:28 A question is being raised, I mean, it is a political implication and the question arises from our rulers,
10:35 that your foundations, Evan Fields is obviously present from the early 90s,
10:40 he is in occupation and he is saying Alhamdulillah that he is ours.
10:45 So as of now, the money that was used for the foundations that were made,
10:51 and now any evidence or any…
10:54 There were three or four things.
10:56 One thing was to be proved that being a public office holder, it was his misconduct.
11:01 So the NAB, the first thing they had to do was that he is a public office holder,
11:04 he is the former Prime Minister of the country, and when he has this misconduct.
11:08 So Mr. Nawaz Sharif could not even tell the first thing that when those flats were acquired,
11:13 whether Mr. Nawaz Sharif was a public office holder or not.
11:15 The first thing that NAB could not tell on its reference.
11:18 Now you listen, how weak case NAB made on merit.
11:21 It is not a matter of today that today NAB did not defend its case.
11:25 This basically when this reference was made,
11:27 second thing, they could not tell that there was any nexus,
11:31 that when at the time of purchasing those properties,
11:34 they did not even evaluate those properties,
11:37 that what was its market value at that time, not today's market value,
11:40 at the time of acquiring those properties, this too NAB did not tell.
11:43 These are some basic elements of reference that you make,
11:46 when you make a case against NAB,
11:48 you have to do some parameters on it,
11:51 after that the bar will come on the accused that he has to prove his innocence.
11:56 Here NAB could not establish its case that this case is made on Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
12:02 But despite this, you see that when NAB was asked why this case was made,
12:07 they said that it was an order of the Supreme Court,
12:10 we have made this case.
12:11 And if this case was made on the order of the Supreme Court,
12:14 then NAB could not go for a review.
12:16 It is a very common question.
12:19 You look at your decision, but NAB did not do it at that time.
12:22 Because at that time the trend was that a person had to be brought,
12:26 and Mr. Nawaz Sharif had to be removed from office for him.
12:28 So the same thing came in front and how many references of asset beyond means
12:31 are made of one person, only one will be made.
12:33 One person is the asset beyond means, supposedly.
12:36 So how did they make three references?
12:38 Obviously.
12:39 Mr. Chaudhary, today Ravi Chaini Chain is writing for Bukol Hassan.
12:43 What was Ravi writing at that time?
12:44 This is a very wrong thing.
12:46 References were made, then in the courts, you know.
12:49 10th, 5th, 26th day he was in jail.
12:51 10th, 5th, 26th day.
12:53 10 days, big books were also gone, we saw there was evidence in it.
12:58 Then I don't know, the decision of the Accounting Court was also made.
13:01 Now it is being proved that the decision was also made in a wrong way.
13:07 And flats are still not known.
13:10 I think you should close Nayeb.
13:12 Who's flats are still there?
13:13 They are not needed.
13:14 Close Nayeb as a material.
13:16 If he has done the rights in this way.
13:19 But Mr. Nawaz Sharif did not purchase those properties,
13:21 Dada gave them to his grandson.
13:23 But that means,
13:24 No, Mr. Nawaz Sharif did not have any say in that.
13:26 If Dada gives, if my uncle has given something to my grandson,
13:29 then that is between Dada and grandson, I am not in that.
13:33 Yes, absolutely.
13:34 Sir, there is a legal point,
13:36 Dada transferred to grandson,
13:38 if you give a property to your grandson, then your father...
13:41 Till today, you have not been able to prove in any court,
13:43 that with what money I have purchased these properties.
13:47 Why are you arguing on this?
13:48 I am proving his property.
13:49 He does not have any property.
13:50 First prove his property, that it is Nawaz Sharif's property.
13:53 Nawaz Sharif's property is not proven.
13:54 Then whose is it?
13:55 Whose property is it?
13:56 Is it yours or mine?
13:57 That property is not in Nawaz Sharif's name.
13:59 That property is not in Nawaz Sharif's name.
14:01 And neither can it be proven that
14:03 he purchased it.
14:05 This is a burden on the treasury of the nation.
14:07 Mr. Chaudhary, if he had gone to the court with a lot of money,
14:11 then what is your objection?
14:12 Because in the court, the court has evidence.
14:14 What is our objection?
14:15 You have to see the evidence in the court.
14:18 When he did not even object in front of the court,
14:20 he went back and forth.
14:22 Did you produce evidence that I bought this with this money?
14:26 You have to make certain cases.
14:28 Then the evidence comes out.
14:30 When you have not made a case, then it is not outside.
14:35 The burden of proof was not on the burden of proof.
14:39 If I was accusing you of being a thief,
14:41 then he said prove the theft.
14:43 Then you gave a 10-year sentence without proving the theft.
14:45 What law is this?
14:46 Unless proven guilty, you are innocent.
14:49 And despite this, what law did you give a 10-year sentence?
14:52 This is my question.
14:53 I think he should be fined.
14:56 No, no, he should be fined 5,000-6,000 rupees.
14:58 I think there should be accountability for all the thefts.
15:03 And if it was a case, then you are right that he should be taken to the Supreme Court.
15:09 Sir, this was the trial that our Supreme Court was monitoring.
15:12 Sir, you have been to Evanfields, right?
15:13 Yes, I have been there.
15:14 You have not seen it?
15:15 I have not been there. I have been to his son's office.
15:16 Have you seen Evanfields?
15:17 No, I have not seen Evanfields.
15:18 Have you seen Hyde Park?
15:19 Yes, I have seen Hyde Park.
15:20 Have you seen the flats in front of it?
15:21 Yes, I have seen them.
15:22 They are very expensive.
15:23 Yes, they are expensive.
15:24 It is a very beautiful place.
15:25 Hyde Park is also a beautiful place.
15:28 There is KFC and McDonald's there.
15:30 I have been to Mayfield.
15:31 I have been to London everywhere.
15:32 It has been 6 years.
15:33 I have seen Evanfields flats.
15:34 They are very beautiful.
15:35 I used to live in Kensington.
15:36 What was the price of that flat in today's date?
15:39 Sir, that case is made at the time of acquiring.
15:42 But the case has been decided.
15:43 It will be in millions.
15:44 It will be in millions of pounds.
15:46 It will be worth 2 million pounds, 1 million pounds, 3 million pounds.
15:49 I don't know.
15:50 I don't know.
15:51 I don't work in real estate.
15:52 But it will be very expensive.
15:53 One common question is that,
15:54 I don't know,
15:55 obviously the decision has been made.
15:56 Obviously, there is a family, a political family.
15:59 Now, obviously, they have been a part of different governments
16:02 from the 80s onwards, 79, 80s onwards.
16:05 Absolutely.
16:06 You don't think that this is a morally appropriate thing to do.
16:10 I am talking morally.
16:11 I am not talking about legal and political things.
16:14 I just wanted to hear the question.
16:15 Now, why are you getting so emotional?
16:16 This is a court decision.
16:17 So, I thought it was on morality.
16:18 No, no, no, not on morality.
16:19 It is not on morality.
16:20 It is not on morality.
16:21 Now, the decision has been made on the side,
16:23 that our ruling family is expected, according to you,
16:28 they are going to win the election,
16:31 obviously, they have a popularity graph.
16:33 So, they should be told that,
16:35 this money, this property, this, this, this, this,
16:40 this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this.
16:44 Now, the person whose name is properties,
16:46 he is from the city of Britain and he does his business in Britain.
16:50 Yes, he is Navasreev's son.
16:53 Now, if that beneficent owner was Maryam Navasreev,
16:56 then the question you asked was valid,
16:59 that she is a politician in Pakistan.
17:00 You saw the session of National Assembly,
17:02 where she was told that she is a politician.
17:04 But, but, but, that thing.
17:05 Yes, I was sitting in Chaudhary Usar's chamber that day.
17:07 You must have heard.
17:08 Yes, I was sitting there with him.
17:09 Chaudhary Usar was also present in the chamber.
17:12 And, Chaudhary Usar and I were two people in his chamber.
17:15 In fact, when his speech was over,
17:17 I remember Chaudhary Usar said some very historical words.
17:20 He said, what was the need to give this speech?
17:23 Chaudhary Usar had a very strange,
17:26 a very different point of view and he was very right.
17:29 He said that you should have sent this matter to the Supreme Court.
17:32 He said that the Prime Minister should have been presented in front of JIT.
17:36 If the Prime Minister had not been presented in front of JIT,
17:39 then a new debate would have taken place
17:40 whether the Prime Minister should be presented or not.
17:42 So, he was saying in a different way that this case should be dealt with in a different way
17:45 because these are cases that are being handled in an engineered way.
17:48 So, he had said such things.
17:50 Yes, that was an argument.
17:51 His argument was also this.
17:52 So, this was basically engineered.
17:54 And, see, the thing is that the Supreme Court says that we should make a reference diet.
17:57 The NAB says that we did not want to make a reference diet.
18:00 It is a very important thing.
18:01 Think about it.
18:02 The prosecution agency says that the reference was not made,
18:05 but the Supreme Court said that.
18:06 Mr. Haji, see, Hassan is saying something absolutely right
18:10 that the whole matter is engineered.
18:12 Hassan's Hussein, please correct me,
18:15 whose interview was also conducted
18:17 that Alhamdulillah, those flats are ours.
18:19 There was no need.
18:21 Why? What was the need?
18:22 When Hussein is a British citizen,
18:25 Hussein's properties were not given by his father,
18:28 but his grandfather had given them to him.
18:30 So, if the father knows, if the politics knows,
18:32 if the state of Pakistan knows,
18:34 if the law and order of Pakistan knows,
18:36 then why was the need to give that interview?
18:38 What does Imran Khan have to do with the former chairman of the PDA's children doing there?
18:41 So, obviously, there is no connection.
18:44 He is living an independent life.
18:46 He is a British national.
18:47 He lives his life there.
18:48 Now, let's move forward.
18:49 Alhamdulillah, you know, leave it.
18:52 What is the matter with his Prime Minister
18:55 or with his wife?
18:57 Leave it. Let's move forward.
18:58 Okay, Chaudhary Gramsingh sahab,
19:00 you are right that he was an engineer.
19:03 There was no need to tell him everything.
19:05 He has trapped himself for no reason.
19:08 And Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan also said that
19:10 there was no need to go there,
19:11 neither GIT nor Supreme Court or anywhere else.
19:13 So, in innocence, this whole matter was going on.
19:17 Your thoughts, sir?
19:18 No, but any person,
19:21 whether it is you or me,
19:23 if we cannot justify ourselves,
19:26 then people will point fingers at us.
19:30 So, we have not justified ourselves till now.
19:33 He has not told us till now
19:35 that with what money he bought it.
19:38 And till now, he has not been able to prove it.
19:41 Corruption, corrupt, and corrupt activities.
19:44 He is the son of Allah and Allah.
19:46 He did not have to give anything.
19:47 He had to give to his son.
19:48 Leave it.
19:49 Okay, brother, his love is love.
19:52 You can give love to anyone.
19:55 To your grandchildren, to anyone.
19:57 Let's move forward.
19:58 I say that they should close the court of justice.
20:01 There is no need for them.
20:03 You are talking about NAB.
20:05 The trust case has come.
20:06 £190 million has been made.
20:08 Close the case.
20:09 It will be a very important case.
20:11 It will be a case in the coming days.
20:12 Look, look.
20:13 It was written that the government has been paid from £190 million.
20:16 Then what about the lot?
20:18 If the case is not made,
20:19 then they will make a wrong case.
20:20 If the case is wrong, then it is okay.
20:22 He will be clean.
20:24 What do we need?
20:26 Tell us the case.
20:27 The sin will come out clean.
20:29 You told the truth.
20:30 You told the truth.
20:31 You told the truth.
20:32 That's why all the cases are closed.
20:34 We know the truth.
20:35 You should come to the court.
20:37 Yes, tell us.
20:39 One day, he said with his mouth full,
20:42 that the $19 billion that came from China,
20:45 $9 billion was eaten by the people here and there.
20:49 So later, he was so kind that he did not give me a copy.
20:54 He rejected it with his mouth full.
20:56 I said no, I did not do anything.
20:57 Okay, you know your friends, Mr. Chaudhary.
20:59 What can we do?
21:00 Everyone in Pakistan says what they want.
21:02 Anyways, viewers, today is the decision of Islamabad High Court.
21:05 Obviously, the evidence that was presented there,
21:09 the evidence that was presented,
21:10 was presented in front of the court.
21:11 The court did not fight the case.
21:12 The court said that we are not interested in this.
21:14 We will take it back.
21:15 And obviously, when in London, they said that we have no property in Pakistan.
21:20 Obviously, this evidence had to be proved.
21:22 Why did the court not do it?
21:23 The court has raised its hands.
21:25 Look, when the punishment was announced in the battlefield,
21:28 Nawaz Sharif was not in Pakistan at that time.
21:30 He was in London for his wife's release.
21:33 But when he came back from there in August 2018,
21:37 I believe he was arrested at the airport.
21:40 There was news that his wife was in jail.
21:43 So, his wife was released.
21:45 Viewers, there is one case left on the way of respected Nawaz Sharif.
21:50 You will see when it is presented.
21:53 So, we will go towards the break.
21:55 After the break, we will talk to you.
21:57 The chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, who is he?
22:01 His announcement has been made.
22:03 And he will be a caretaker or a lawyer.
22:05 We will talk about this in detail after the break.
22:07 Welcome back, viewers.
22:09 We have met with the former chairman of PTI and the former prime minister.
22:14 And then his lawyer, the current senior vice president,
22:18 Mr. Afzal Marwat.
22:20 Mr. Marwat, sorry.
22:21 He came and gave a statement.
22:23 After that, there was a commotion.
22:24 What did he say?
22:25 First, let's hear that statement.
22:27 I would like to tell the entire country and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
22:32 that this time, due to the legal dispute,
22:35 due to the decision of Mr. Khan in the Tota Khana case,
22:39 and due to the disqualification,
22:41 he cannot fight the election of the chairman of the party office legally.
22:46 So, Mr. Khan has himself decided
22:50 that this time he will not contest the election for the chairman of PTI office.
22:56 And it has been decided by a coincidence
22:58 that as soon as this decision from the court is over,
23:01 Mr. Khan will be given the disqualification again.
23:03 After that, the audience started to gossip about it.
23:07 And the official Twitter handle of PTI,
23:10 through that, they strongly refuted Mr. Marwat's statement.
23:17 They said that there is no truth in it at all.
23:19 You can read this statement in front of you.
23:21 That this whole matter is being discussed in this regard.
23:25 Therefore, we are going to discuss the harsh statements
23:29 of Mr. Khan in the media about the election of the chairman of PTI office.
23:34 You can read this statement in front of you.
23:37 Then, today, we have meetings as per the news.
23:42 The senior leader of PTI, his advocate,
23:45 and then Mr. Ali Zafar is holding a press conference.
23:47 He is telling that there were questions in front of him
23:50 on the basis of which a decision was made.
23:52 We had two ways to get the election commission to dismiss the decision.
23:57 The first way was that whatever the decision is,
23:59 the time of the election is coming,
24:01 so we should get our intra-party elections done.
24:04 When this matter came in front of the leadership of PTI,
24:07 we decided that we will adopt both ways.
24:10 I met Mr. Iman Khan yesterday.
24:13 And finally, he approved it.
24:15 He said that you should get the intra-party elections done immediately.
24:19 And do not give any excuse to the election commission of Pakistan
24:22 that they should not give the ballot to PTI.
24:24 We are going to get the intra-party elections done on Saturday.
24:30 PTI chairman asked two questions during the meeting with his advocate.
24:35 And he got two answers.
24:36 I met Mr. Iman Khan in jail.
24:40 He said that he has a legal team.
24:42 He asked me to give two suggestions.
24:44 First, can I fight this election legally or not?
24:48 And second, if I can fight, what dangers do you see?
24:53 What are the dangers that the election commission of Pakistan will still call PTI a traitor
24:59 just because I am participating in the election?
25:02 The answer to the first question was very clear that Mr. Iman Khan can participate in the intra-party elections.
25:08 The answer to the second question was that they participate in the intra-party elections.
25:13 Can the election commission of Pakistan make such an illegal and illegal decision at the last minute
25:19 that PTI does not get a chance and PTI candidates' nominations are cancelled?
25:25 So this was definitely a danger.
25:27 Because the decision of the post office has been suspended.
25:31 The decision has been suspended, but not the final decision.
25:34 Then I gave a decision during this meeting to the PTI chairman.
25:39 He said that I do not want to give any excuse to the election commission of Pakistan
25:45 that they should take a sign of rebuke in the PTI election, the general election of the National Assembly and Provincial Assembly.
25:54 Or do not let them participate in the election.
25:56 Or reject the nomination of the candidates.
25:59 I do not want to face any kind of danger.
26:02 I want to participate in the general election.
26:05 This intra-party election does not matter to me.
26:09 So the election, the intra-party election, is temporarily,
26:13 until Imran Khan Sahib's Toshakhana case is not decided, he is not fighting this election.
26:20 Is this minus one? This was also explained by Ali Zafar.
26:25 Who is the nominee caretaker chairman?
26:28 Many prominent personalities have come forward.
26:30 But the decision was made that those prominent personalities,
26:34 who have held permanent positions of the party, it is not appropriate to give them a temporary position.
26:39 That is why we need a person who is not controversial and who can play the role of a caretaker mode.
26:49 This is not a minus one formula.
26:51 This is not a coup.
26:53 This is Imran Khan's nominee and this is appropriate according to the temporary arrangement we are doing.
27:01 And now I take the name in front of you, which Imran Khan Sahib told the name,
27:06 that is Barrister Gauhar Sahib.
27:08 And that temporary nomination of his, he will fulfill it completely.
27:15 Abdul Qadir, our representative who covers Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf as a beat,
27:20 we know from him that this miscommunication continued all night.
27:24 And what was the reason behind it, what are the circumstances behind it?
27:27 Thank you very much Abdul Qadir, can you hear me?
27:29 Yes, I can hear you.
27:30 Just tell me that PTI had a strength or still has it or not,
27:37 that it is very streamlined in the matter of communication,
27:40 who has to give what statement, from where the official release has to be made.
27:43 So what is this system nowadays, if such a big decision has been made all night,
27:46 there were different statements on it, confusion was there, what is the reason?
27:50 What information do you have nowadays, if you have to verify officially,
27:54 that this is the official version of PTI on any issue?
27:58 Look, nowadays, there have been a lot of back-to-back breaches,
28:01 and PTI is not in a position to take any disciplinary action,
28:04 but I tried to find out and I will tell you a little bit about the method.
28:07 There are three people basically who are running the whole party.
28:10 One chairman PTI, with him a secretary-in-chief and the third secretary-general.
28:14 The secretary-in-chief stays in touch with his political, economic or legal team
28:19 and things flow through the party's official media department.
28:24 Earlier, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary used to be the translator, after his departure,
28:28 now Mr. Rao Pasand, who is the one who is responsible for the secretary's information.
28:31 So the version of the secretary's information will be considered final,
28:36 because Mr. Imran Khan, before going to jail, had cleared it, had told it,
28:41 that he had given this responsibility to the core committee,
28:44 that whatever decision will be announced, will be through the consultation of the core committee.
28:49 And it was decided that the legal team will play the role of a messenger
28:55 and whoever will go to meet them in jail, will convey that message to the core committee.
29:00 And the core committee will then take the final approval,
29:03 along with the consultation, and Mr. Rao Pasand will flow the information as a secretary-in-chief.
29:07 So in an individual capacity, if any person gives a statement,
29:10 which is not in accordance with the party policy or is not in accordance with the method of information,
29:16 then it is rebuttaled, so that it's courage is not shaken.
29:20 So I tried to find out, I spoke to the party's official today,
29:23 so what they have to say is that after meeting the chairman of PTI,
29:27 the Sher Afzal Marwad communicated this thing in his own way,
29:30 whereas before it was decided, it was done by the core committee.
29:33 Mr. Bhatia, tell us that there is some information,
29:37 that because of the absence of the chairman, who was the former chairman of the Tariq-e-Insaf,
29:41 because he is in jail now, so now in his party,
29:46 different groups have been formed and there is a mutual support,
29:50 everyone wants to highlight themselves, and the leg pulling of each other is on the rise.
29:54 And we saw some display of this, yesterday, when Sher Afzal Marwad came and spoke,
30:00 he is a senior vice president, and I think the secretary-in-chief is smaller than the senior vice president.
30:06 He is contradicting him, and then the matter did not stop there,
30:11 he tweeted a series of tweets, and he is still tweeting,
30:14 and he is saying that he does not care what these people are doing.
30:17 So this fight is clearly visible, is this right?
30:21 Look, there are some rifts, if someone gives his statement in an individual capacity,
30:26 the party cannot sit quietly on it, they have to give it a rebuttal somewhere.
30:30 And especially if a decision is issued without consultation from the core committee of the party,
30:35 or in an individual capacity, then they do not endorse it,
30:38 until the core committee of the party agrees to it.
30:41 Thank you very much for your time, Abdul Qadir.
30:44 Mr. Hasan, we have little time,
30:46 tell us, what is happening, and Abdul Qadir is also telling,
30:50 that whatever decisions are to be made, and Hasan's observation on this is correct,
30:54 that instead of everyone making their own mosque,
30:58 if there is a party, then it is the duty of a person to make good or bad decisions.
31:04 No, he is saying that there are 15-20 groups,
31:09 and they are going out with swords to kill each other.
31:13 This is not correct.
31:16 This is what you are saying, right?
31:18 I am saying that this is a special fight, within the party.
31:21 Yes, very much.
31:22 I met 15-20 groups in the program today,
31:26 that who are you, you are with us, you are with him, he left, he left, we are with him.
31:31 Listen, the decision that was made yesterday by Sher Afzal,
31:37 which was wrong, that he had to convey to the core committee,
31:41 he told the decision of the ex-chairman,
31:45 he said that I am a very important person,
31:49 and the rest of the people who were with him, they also said that you should do it,
31:53 so there was confusion, so today the same decision was made.
31:57 Absolutely, Mr. Chaudhary, all the decisions have been clarified.
32:01 You are saying that there should be a fight within the parties.
32:05 There should be a fight.
32:06 After the break, we will tell you what news is going on about Mr. Ishaq.
32:13 Stay with us.
32:14 Welcome back.
32:15 Viewers, there is an institution, National Accounts Committee,
32:18 which is the final decision-making in terms of the economy of Pakistan,
32:23 which is the growth of the sector in terms of the overall growth of Pakistan,
32:30 its figures are considered final.
32:33 The previous government, the PDM's finance minister, Ishaq Dard,
32:37 in his 106th meeting, when all the figures were decided,
32:43 it was said that the economic activity of Pakistan at that time is in the 29% plus.
32:52 But the World Bank and IMF at that time were at 0.29%.
32:58 The World Bank and IMF at that time were strongly rejected,
33:02 saying that your activity is negative, why are you showing positive?
33:06 But Dard got angry and said that we do not agree with you.
33:11 Now this has happened, in the last 24 hours,
33:14 the 107th meeting of the National Accounts Committee has taken place,
33:17 and they have said that the activity is negative by 1.7%,
33:23 as far as the last year of the previous PDM government.
33:27 Shoaib Nizami is with us.
33:29 There is an allegation against Ishaq Dard that he is a figure-fudging.
33:33 Now what is the whole incident?
33:36 This is a very big dichotomy.
33:40 Why does the world take you seriously that you lie to us,
33:43 that your activity is negative and you show positive?
33:47 When this incident happened on May 14, 2016,
33:51 when the numbers were being issued at night,
33:53 all the reporters present at that time,
33:55 the chief economist Dr. Nadeem had a condition that the numbers will be negative.
33:59 He said that it is positive.
34:01 We also told him that the World Bank is saying that you are at -0.6%,
34:07 while the IMF is saying that you are at -0.5%.
34:11 So, it was coming in their minds,
34:13 it was the reason for that.
34:14 Because in the crops,
34:16 all the major crops,
34:18 the negative was that only the forest and livestock were growing 1.5%.
34:23 The big industries had fallen below -8%.
34:28 Similarly, the services had fallen below.
34:30 Construction had come down by -5%.
34:32 For the viewers to understand,
34:34 at that time, the IMF said that you are at negative,
34:37 the World Bank said that you are at negative,
34:39 but they said, the previous finance minister and his team,
34:44 the previous chief economist and his team,
34:46 now the current finance minister, Shamshaan Sahiba,
34:49 and his team is saying,
34:51 officially, on the record,
34:53 that this negative 1.7% was the previous government's doing.
34:58 Yes, exactly.
34:59 The 0.29% that was shown to be positive,
35:02 that was negated in the negative,
35:05 and it was finalized.
35:07 At that time, the NAC's number was approved by the Prime Minister,
35:10 and yesterday, the official report was given.
35:13 I would like to say that one year has been completed,
35:16 serving Pakistan,
35:18 our current Army Chief, Jalal-e-Sinmuri,
35:20 and he has introduced the SIFC for Pakistan,
35:25 and God willing, the negative things that have been there,
35:27 now all those things will be positive.
35:29 And in the coming year, you will see that the improvements will be visible,
35:34 and regarding that, we will have some important meetings with Kuwait.
35:37 We will be with Dar sir.
35:38 No, leave Dar sir, I am talking about General Asim Munir,
35:40 who has served Pakistan for a year,
35:44 and I would say that he will bring a positive thing for Pakistan.
35:50 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, would you like to comment?
35:52 Mr. Chaudhary, that's all for today.
35:55 God willing, we will talk about this topic again tomorrow.
35:58 Viewers, we will meet again tomorrow.
35:59 Allah Hafiz.