SSP Anusha Masood's Big Statement Regarding 9 May Case
SSP Anusha Masood's Big Statement Regarding 9 May Case
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00:00 Dr. you are right, the threshold of criminal law is very high.
00:04 We cannot talk about grey areas here.
00:06 It is beyond reasonable doubt.
00:08 You are mentioning FIA and PEMRA again and again.
00:11 FIA must have reported social media activity.
00:14 How will you prove centrally coordinated conspiracy through tweets or social media activity?
00:21 Or PEMRA, which will give you reports on television content, which is already public.
00:26 How will you prove a centrally coordinated conspiracy?
00:30 These are valid questions.
00:32 But rest assured, it is irrefutable evidence.
00:37 And honestly, you are right.
00:39 We have seen cases where,
00:42 you are right, sometimes things are not proved.
00:45 But there are cases where everything is out there.
00:48 Now, there are some cases on judges.
00:50 We are hoping that we have prepared the case properly.
00:54 We cannot say that we are bent upon, we want them to get punishment.
01:02 It is not like that.
01:03 It is just a crime which happened and we have to be neutral while we are investigating these cases.
01:08 We cannot be biased.
01:10 We have to prepare the case with neutral neutrality and put it in front of the court.
01:18 And the court will decide.
01:20 Yes, you are right.
01:21 The evidence should be concrete.
01:23 It should be irrefutable.
01:25 We will fulfill the court's and the law's requirements.
01:29 The rest lies with the judges' judgement.
01:32 No doubt, it is like that.
01:33 And there are no two opinions on this.
01:36 That it should never be repeated in the 9th.
01:38 This is a must.
01:39 When you are investigating, this is in everyone's mind.
01:42 But the defense is against the state.
01:46 Waging a war against the state, so to say.
01:49 What is the nature of the evidence?
01:54 Because waging a war can be an armed militia, or officers are being seduced.
01:59 Or a conspiracy has been hatched in which you have clearly connected X has to go here and Y will go there.
02:08 And you have seen this pan out centrally coordinated.
02:12 Meher, you are equally intelligent.
02:16 I am not going to answer that because this is a sub judicial matter.
02:20 We have almost everything.
02:24 That I would say.
02:25 I am getting courage after listening to you.
02:28 Everything is irrefutable.
02:30 But you were also saying in another interview that you have increased the scope of the investigation.
02:34 You have backtracked for 3-4 months.
02:36 If this was going on 3-4 months ago, then you should verify it.
02:41 If this was the case, then how did you not pick up at that time on this kind of a conspiracy which has shaken the country?
02:49 That I cannot comment on because how we could prevent such happening.
02:56 Because such an incident has not happened in the history of Pakistan.
03:00 It might have been some, you are right that this prevention could have been done.
03:07 But we have backtracked.
03:09 As a police department, I can only tell you that what we have tracked down.
03:15 We have backtracked and as we went back, we got an idea that when these things would have started.
03:21 And when they started, they made a well planned, well thought plan.
03:27 So in that, I cannot comment on that, who was stopping them, who had such information or not.
03:34 Sometimes such things are going on that a person is not expecting this result.
03:41 And that is a bigger result than you think.
03:44 Maybe we can take it that way.
03:46 So probably this could be a judgment call, it could be a misinterpretation.
03:53 You are anticipating the incident, but you are not anticipating that it would result into a disaster.
04:01 Actually nobody saw this coming.
04:04 Doctor sahib, you have widened the scope.
04:06 As late as August 2022, we were seeing that the President was meeting with the Chief.
04:14 So how many months back did you investigate?
04:17 I would just say, when a crime happens, for example, I would say that if 5 murders were done in Lahore.
04:27 We got to know about it and we were making plans for the last 2 months.
04:31 How could we prevent such kind of action?
04:33 As an investigative agency, I would say that we did not have the knowledge of such things.
04:41 And when we backtracked, we got a holistic picture.
04:46 So to prevent a crime from happening, I don't think that is possible.
04:53 I can give you an example of our domain.
04:58 So maybe you could not have an idea that such a big crime would happen.
05:04 So that is what I think my interpretation is.
05:08 Doctor sahib, you have been investigating for 6 months.
05:11 If you get a strong evidence or a message that exposes it completely.
05:19 It will be a bombshell message in which the chairman himself will use his own number.
05:23 Because the usage of numbers is not enough here as evidence.
05:26 The SIM should also be on the name.
05:28 Where he is informing someone with his own number that this is what is planned.
05:33 Or he is sending a message to the core group because you are talking about a holistic picture here.
05:37 I cannot comment on that because that would be too specific.
05:41 And the specific answer is that the matter is in the court.
05:46 Let our evidence be in the court in front of the judge.
05:51 Otherwise, we will expose it in a sub judicial matter.
05:55 Fair enough. But you have already commented on the nature of the message.
05:58 Are these messages or the statement of the accused in custody?
06:01 Yes, you are right about that.
06:04 Let's wait a little more.
06:06 The proceedings of the court will start.
06:07 All these things will start coming out slowly.
06:10 You will start getting things from the court as well.
06:12 Let's wait for a while.
06:14 Okay, because you are coming on television, so I am assuming you want to share these details.
06:18 Dr. Sahiba, if it is just the statement of the accused in custody,
06:22 won't their legal status be compromised until they are verified from an independent forum?
06:26 For instance, the statement of 164 in front of the magistrate.
06:30 All this will happen. Be rest assured.
06:33 Every law parameter would be followed.
06:37 It is not possible that we do not follow any law parameter and it is not possible that there is no proceeding without it.
06:45 So definitely, we have covered all the parameters and we will do it.
06:50 Whatever requirements are there, it will be done according to the law.
06:53 Dr. Arosh, tell us, the initial press conference that IG did,
06:57 right after that, he showed the graphics in great detail.
07:00 He also told about geofencing.
07:02 A lot of information was unearthed.
07:04 You also showed 23 calls of Murad Raas.
07:08 He is in peace today.
07:10 The others who were in the slide are either in jail or in escape.
07:13 Is there any such dispensation in criminal law?
07:16 Look, there is no such dispensation in criminal law, of course.
07:21 And the liability on which it will be made, as I said,
07:25 we have already prepared the case that we had to present.
07:29 And now the court will decide on the things and definitely all the requirements will be fulfilled.
07:37 As you said, our conversation scope will be very vast and then those things will go out of scope.
07:45 The purpose was to tell people.
07:47 Because the question you asked, people should have an idea of what is happening.
07:52 Now, the things that have to unfold with time, I think it is better if they unfold with time.
07:57 Prior knowledge to the facts that are to be discussed in the court, I think, will not benefit the public.
08:05 With the passage of time and with the course of time, if things unfold themselves, they will come in front of everyone.
08:11 And we are not going to hide anything from people.
08:15 people.