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00:02 - Good evening and welcome to Kent on Climate
00:16 live on KMTV.
00:18 I'm Abbey Hook and in this show we discuss
00:20 all things related to environmental issues in the county.
00:23 How is climate change impacting Kent?
00:25 What are communities in the county doing to tackle it
00:27 and how can you help at home?
00:29 Each week we take a deep dive into a new environmental issue
00:33 in the county and I'm joined by expert guests.
00:36 But first tonight, a family run business
00:39 near the Ulez border says sales are dropping
00:42 in the aftermath of the Ulez expansion
00:44 at the Dartford border.
00:45 Hawley Garden Centre was hoping sales would recover
00:48 at Christmas but they haven't yet.
00:50 It comes as the Dartford MP, Gareth Johnson,
00:53 launches a bill in the commons in a bid to make
00:55 the ultra low emission zone expansion unlawful.
00:59 The controversial expansion happened back in August
01:01 but the mayor of London says it was necessary
01:03 to tackle toxic air pollution.
01:05 As Gabriel Morris reports.
01:07 - It's been three months since Ulez was expanded
01:12 to the Kent border.
01:13 The mayor of London continues to say it was an uneasy
01:16 decision but one to tackle toxic air.
01:19 But that means any non-compliant vehicle now pays
01:23 a 12 pound 50 daily fee.
01:26 But the expansion to the Kent border has been nothing
01:29 but controversial.
01:30 You can see stickers placed on this sign here in Dartford
01:35 and I think that shows the local mood to Ulez.
01:38 This garden centre in Dartford is close
01:41 to the Ulez border.
01:43 The family run business is gearing up for Christmas,
01:46 usually a busy period.
01:49 But they say sales are down this year
01:51 and at their Christmas grotto,
01:53 it's usually hard to book a place.
01:56 This year they've sold 15% fewer tickets.
02:00 - We are normally fully booked for the last week
02:03 leading up to Christmas and that's not happened
02:05 this year either.
02:06 We have an August stock take sale
02:10 which is usually very popular.
02:12 And it wasn't and then it's just sort of continued
02:17 through September, October was terrible.
02:20 November was very quiet, we assumed people were saving up
02:23 for the Christmas rush and that's not happened either.
02:27 - Bosses hope last minute Christmas shopping
02:29 will drum up much needed revenue.
02:31 But hope for something radical
02:33 to give their profits a climb.
02:35 The Ulez expansion was challenged by the government
02:39 but a high court ruled it lawful.
02:41 Today the Dartford MP wants to bring in a bill
02:44 allowing ministers to review and overturn decisions
02:48 made by the Mayor of London.
02:51 - The Mayor of London does not have a mandate
02:54 for this Ulez expansion.
02:56 He didn't put in his manifesto when he stood to be Mayor
02:59 at the last election.
03:01 He didn't put in his transport strategy
03:03 and he didn't even take note of the consultation
03:07 that showed that the majority of people were against it.
03:09 And therefore it's right that we implement a law here
03:13 in the House of Parliament
03:15 in order to overturn that expansion.
03:18 - In a statement the Mayor of London told us
03:20 they've received no indication that ministers
03:22 intend to utter their commitment to devolution
03:26 in cities and communities across the country.
03:29 The fight on for Ulez expansion is clearly far from over.
03:33 Politicians opting for a legislation battle
03:36 but it seems some angry individuals
03:38 have turned to criminal damage.
03:41 But the Mayor of London says Ulez will save lives.
03:45 Gabriel Morris for Caine TV in Dartford.
03:49 Next night the Kent Wildlife Trust have launched a campaign
03:52 to recognise the nature heroes on our doorstep
03:55 as the COP28 climate conference continues
03:58 all the way over in Dubai.
03:59 Some of the nature heroes being showcased
04:01 include nature reserve wardens,
04:03 community gardens and schools.
04:05 One school being recognised is Wellesley Haddon Dean
04:08 in Broadstairs who achieved a silver award
04:10 at the Wilder Kent Awards
04:11 for their various green initiatives.
04:14 Well, nature hero Kerry Savin Dawson from the school
04:17 joins me in the sofa now alongside Molly Amour
04:19 from the Kent Wildlife Trust who joins us virtually.
04:22 Thank you both for being here.
04:24 Welcome to Kent on Climate.
04:26 Molly, I'll come to you first to explain to us
04:29 what exactly a nature hero is.
04:31 - Yeah, so a nature hero is an individual
04:37 or groups in Kent who are taking action for nature
04:42 and inspiring others to do the same.
04:44 So with the COP conferences going on at the moment
04:48 and global governments are coming together
04:51 to discuss how to limit and prepare future climate change,
04:54 there's some nervousness around this COP
04:57 because it's being held in Dubai
04:59 and the president of the COP talks
05:01 is the chief executive of an oil company.
05:03 So while this is all happening on a global stage,
05:07 we really want to highlight the importance of local action
05:11 and how it can make a real difference.
05:13 So over our channels over the next coming weeks,
05:16 we're introducing our nature heroes, which as you say,
05:21 they're our very own area managers
05:23 who are taking action on the ground.
05:25 There's schools such as Wellesley Hub and Dean
05:27 who are integrating sustainability in their daily practices
05:32 and even farmers and landowners who are working together
05:36 and sharing knowledge on how to move towards
05:40 a more sustainable future.
05:41 - And Kerry, of course, you're one of those schools,
05:44 Molly just mentioned there as well.
05:46 Why is it so important at a school level
05:48 and an education level for young people
05:51 to be involved in nature and our environment?
05:54 - I think we all know that the benefits for children
05:57 for being out in nature,
05:58 it's so much better for their wellbeing
06:00 to be out in nature, to be engaged with their area.
06:04 So that's really important.
06:06 We've got our school, we've got them hedgehogs,
06:08 we know because we've got wildlife cameras out in the school
06:11 and we've been campaigning and we've had Swift boxes put up.
06:14 I can see the picture there, yeah.
06:16 So we have Swift boxes now that we've had the parents
06:19 and children have raised money for
06:20 because we know that they're critically endangered
06:23 and we love seeing them flying around the school.
06:25 So we're doing lots of things for nature.
06:27 So we've won another award,
06:29 Kent Green School Award as well recently for that.
06:33 So, but we're also, as Molly was saying,
06:35 sustainability is a really big issue.
06:37 So we've got a flight, three mini buses
06:40 that are coming to the school in the next term
06:43 that are gonna be electric mini buses.
06:45 And we're actually looking at getting solar panels
06:47 put on our roof as well for our electricity.
06:49 - Just quick, what's the sort of response you get
06:51 from the young people that are involved in this
06:53 from the school children?
06:54 Do they understand the gravity of what they're involved with
06:57 and that it's actually really important
06:59 for the sort of future of our existence and our climate
07:01 and the world around us?
07:03 Do they, how do you sort of get that across, I suppose?
07:06 - I think it's really important to get a balance
07:08 because you don't want to be putting too much
07:10 onto young shoulders.
07:11 So I think, I do teach the children about the importance
07:15 of looking at renewable energies,
07:17 but we also, we talk about how we can look after our planet
07:22 but not put all of that responsibility on them.
07:25 - And Molly, where did this sort of idea come from?
07:28 I know it stemmed sort of you're looking at the world,
07:31 the biggest sort of, the conference, sorry,
07:35 over in Dubai, of course, and now wanting to bring that
07:37 to a local level.
07:38 But I suppose, what really inspired you to sort of
07:42 put together a Nature Heroes program like this?
07:45 - I think it's very easy to feel perhaps a bit hopeless
07:52 when it comes to the climate and nature crises.
07:55 And a lot of people maybe aren't sure what they can do
07:58 in their homes and communities,
08:00 and perhaps relying on governments
08:05 to make those big changes, which are definitely needed.
08:07 And we're very eager to see what comes out
08:09 of these COP conferences.
08:11 But what we really wanted to emphasize was how accessible
08:14 and easy it is to take action where you live.
08:17 So, whether you're a family, a school, a business owner,
08:21 we really wanted to emphasize, yeah,
08:27 just how important it is to take action and inspire others
08:30 and share the message.
08:31 And if we can get 25 people in Kent
08:36 taking meaningful action for nature,
08:38 that's an amazing number and it will just grow from there.
08:42 - And talking about getting more people into that,
08:45 how hard do you think it could be, Kerry,
08:47 to get all schools to take this on?
08:50 Because as you said, it's about not putting too much weight
08:52 on young people's shoulders,
08:53 but making it accessible for them.
08:55 We saw some of the pictures on the screen,
08:56 getting them involved with nature.
08:58 And it's sort of, I suppose, if you start it off
09:00 at that level, it's quite fun for them to be involved with.
09:02 - Oh, absolutely.
09:03 They love it.
09:04 The children love it.
09:04 There are no worriers in the school who just love
09:06 spreading the message.
09:07 And we've had recently, we've had a meeting
09:10 where we've had a Kent Wildlife Trust education officer
09:13 come into our school and we invited other schools in Thanet
09:16 to come along and learn about the award
09:18 because the Wilder Kent Award is actually a really good way
09:22 for being able to have a really structured approach
09:25 to how you can make your school a greener school.
09:28 So, I highly recommend it.
09:29 - And do you think enough schools are getting involved
09:31 in initiatives like this?
09:32 - Oh, it's a very increasing number.
09:34 I think Molly will tell you that numbers
09:35 are going up every year.
09:37 And I think it's a really great way of doing it.
09:39 We've gone out, we started our journey at a bronze level.
09:43 And I think even if you're just recycling paper
09:46 and just turning off the lights, I think you can certainly,
09:49 you know, it's worth entering into the awards
09:52 because that'll start you on your journey
09:54 towards a much greener school.
09:55 - And Kerry just mentioned some of the things we can do
09:58 at sort of a really small level, turn off the lights
10:00 and be more sort of aware in that sense.
10:02 But Molly, how can we be nature heroes at home?
10:05 Give us a few sort of tips, would you?
10:07 - Yeah, for sure.
10:09 Like Kerry said, the Wilder Kent Awards
10:11 are a really lovely way to get involved
10:14 and get started on your journey.
10:15 So we have several categories to enter into,
10:18 whether you're a school, community group, college,
10:21 university, village, town or city.
10:25 We take you on a journey and give you loads of tips
10:29 and tricks on how to move to be more sustainable and green.
10:34 If you work for a business or you own a business,
10:39 there's an option to become a partner with a charity
10:44 such as Kent Wildlife Trust, where you receive guidance
10:47 and expert advice on how to tackle the climate
10:50 and nature crises together.
10:52 If you're a family, you could host a fundraising event.
10:55 So you could do a bake sale, you could do a sponsored walk,
10:59 which would be a really lovely opportunity
11:01 to share the importance of making space for nature
11:05 and also knowing that donations go directly
11:07 into vital conservation work that needs to happen
11:10 across the county.
11:12 You could become a volunteer.
11:14 You could donate to an appeal to ensure
11:16 that we're protecting Kent's wildlife and wild spaces
11:19 for the next generation.
11:21 So there's lots and lots of ways,
11:23 depending on who you are, your capacity.
11:27 - And I just wanna bring in Kerry.
11:29 We've not got very long left.
11:30 We could talk about this forever,
11:31 but I suppose if you had to sum it up in a few words, Kerry,
11:34 what does it mean to the children at your school?
11:36 - They're very driven and passionate actually.
11:39 And in fact, we've even got them writing letters
11:41 to the king at the moment.
11:42 So they are very driven to look after their wildlife
11:45 and their local environment.
11:47 - Please let us know if you get a response.
11:49 We heard there are some delays in the post.
11:51 So hopefully he can get them back to those children.
11:53 Great to speak to you both.
11:54 Thank you both so much for coming on.
11:56 I'll see you after the break.
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15:04 - Hello and welcome back to Kenton Climate live on KMTV.
15:10 Now, Canterbury City Council has voted
15:12 to increase the penalties for fly tipping
15:14 to 1,000 pounds in the district.
15:17 The Labour-run council has increased the fines
15:19 for environmental crimes across the board,
15:22 including for littering graffiti
15:23 and ensuring the proper disposal of household waste.
15:27 But opposition councillors are concerned
15:29 that increases for littering could be too harsh.
15:32 Well, Oliver Leader de Sacks has been down
15:34 to Herne Bay to find out more.
15:35 - Trash talk at Canterbury City Council earlier this week
15:39 as cabinet voted to increase fines
15:41 for those not watching out for their waste.
15:44 Back in July, the UK government gave local authorities
15:47 the right to increase fixed penalty notices
15:49 for residents being a nuisance with bins
15:51 or turning local amenities into a dump.
15:54 This means the council is now throwing away
15:55 the penalties for littering, fly tipping
15:57 and duty of careful waste they've had since 2018
16:01 in favour of tougher fines.
16:03 The cabinet hopes that this decision
16:05 won't just help make the streets of Canterbury cleaner,
16:07 it will help the rural communities that they serve as well.
16:10 - We have a huge problem in the countryside.
16:12 You know, sort of people tend to think
16:14 of the three towns of Canterbury, Whitstable and Herne Bay,
16:17 but also we cover a huge rural area.
16:20 And I have a lot of sympathy with farmers
16:22 who turn up to feed their animals
16:25 and find that their farm gate is blocked
16:28 by a large amount of fly tipping.
16:31 This is organised stuff.
16:33 This is not sort of, you know,
16:35 it's sort of your household saying,
16:38 oh, I want to get rid of a bed,
16:39 I'll go and stick it somewhere else.
16:41 'Cause they haven't got the means to do that.
16:43 So somebody has to be carrying that.
16:45 And it's those unlicensed carriers
16:47 that this is really targeted at.
16:49 - The increases in fines means that fines
16:51 for littering will rise to 200 pounds
16:54 and for fly tipping, it will rise to a whopping 1000 pounds.
16:59 While almost all the councillors
17:01 welcome the rise of fly tipping,
17:02 conservatives are concerned that the punishment
17:04 for littering is unnecessarily high.
17:07 - Littering, again, is something that we want to stop.
17:11 And littering makes a mess of our city and our towns
17:15 and especially our coastal areas.
17:18 But I do think that there comes a point
17:21 when people stop littering
17:24 because they're being fined.
17:25 It does start to get a bit punitive
17:28 just to put the fines up
17:29 because you can put the fines up.
17:31 - But what do the locals think?
17:33 Well, I've been out in the bay today,
17:34 speaking to residents,
17:36 asking them whether they agree with the plans
17:38 or whether they think it's just a load of rubbish.
17:42 - I think it's a good thing.
17:42 Anything that stops people from leaving their rubbish
17:45 instead of taking it home, it's got to be a good thing.
17:47 - Funny, if people are aware and they might stop doing it.
17:50 I mean, fly tipping is the worst.
17:51 When you see sofas or mattresses on the pavement.
17:55 - Well, yeah, 'cause I mean,
17:56 there is a lot of littering that goes on in the area.
17:59 I mean, just around the corner,
18:00 there's just dump fridges, drawers.
18:03 - It's how they enforce it.
18:07 That's the difficulty, I think.
18:09 How do they actually catch these people?
18:13 It's all right enforcing a fine,
18:15 but it's catching them in the first place.
18:17 - And the people that do the fly tipping,
18:19 we all don't pay the fine in the first place.
18:21 - Anyway.
18:21 - The old fines are set to be binned in January next year,
18:24 coinciding with Camsworthy City Council's
18:26 new Love Where You Live campaign.
18:29 But while residents in the bay
18:30 may look forward to cleaner streets,
18:32 whether households or litterers
18:34 are unfairly left in the lurch remains to be seen.
18:37 Oliver Leader of the SACS reporting for KMTV.
18:39 - Well, Oliver joins me in the studio now.
18:43 Explain to us what the wider picture
18:45 of fly tipping looks like in Kent.
18:47 - So obviously, Abby, fly tipping is quite a significant
18:49 issue in a rural area like Kent and the Southeast.
18:52 In fact, the Southeast, according to DEFRA,
18:55 the government ministry,
18:57 it is the third highest area for fly tipping in the UK.
19:02 And I mean, KCC, I mean, they say there were 22,000
19:08 instances last year of fly tipping.
19:11 And that's a decrease.
19:13 It was 25,000 during the pandemic year.
19:17 I mean, there are some areas
19:19 that are more significant than others.
19:20 Dartford, Maidstone, of course, Medway,
19:23 all of those are above 3,000.
19:24 Medway above 4,000 instances of fly tipping.
19:28 So it's quite a significant issue.
19:30 Even Canterbury, who recovered today,
19:32 they still had about 2,000 instances of fly tipping.
19:37 And they're in the middle of the pack, really.
19:40 - Okay, well, Ollie, thank you for giving us those details.
19:42 Certainly something we continue to follow here at KMTV
19:45 and especially on Kent on Climate.
19:47 Thank you very much.
19:49 Now, for everyone else,
19:51 Christmas only really started this month,
19:53 but at one hotel in Edgerton,
19:55 preparations have been underway since September.
19:58 Fraser's Estate have been batch cooking
20:00 their award-winning Christmas puddings
20:02 in anticipation of the festive season.
20:04 But what makes their puddings so special?
20:07 Well, Finn McDermott went along to find out.
20:09 - Well, as November draws its curtains to a close
20:13 and with Christmas being only 24 sleeps away,
20:16 preparations across the county have already started
20:19 for the holiday season.
20:20 One hotel in Edgerton has already begun its preparations.
20:24 Fraser's Hotel and Restaurant is a sustainable hotel
20:28 built out of fully renovated farm buildings
20:31 and is renowned for its Christmas puddings.
20:33 Last year, they won a Great Taste One Star Award
20:37 from the Guild of Fine Food,
20:39 a marker of the impressive recipe passed down
20:42 throughout the Fraser family.
20:44 I spoke to the current owner of Fraser's about her successes
20:47 and how other businesses can follow suit.
20:49 - Yes, it's my grandmother's recipe.
20:52 So it's over a hundred year old recipe
20:56 that we have slightly amended to utilise all local alcohol.
21:01 So we use Green Sandwich Rum, Bindon Cider
21:06 and Shepherd Neem Stout.
21:09 We then cook the puddings with the excess solar power
21:12 off of one of our buildings
21:14 and all the packaging is recyclable.
21:16 My whole ethos at Fraser's is short supply chains
21:19 using local produce prepared on site.
21:23 - Now what actually goes into making a Christmas pudding?
21:27 Well, first you have to soak all the fruit
21:29 in your preferred alcoholic beverage,
21:31 most likely brandy or cognac and let it soak for a while.
21:35 Then once ready, mix with flour and eggs
21:37 and transfer to bowls for your preferred size.
21:40 Then the puddings have to be put in the oven
21:42 for a whole 10 hours before they can come out,
21:44 be cooled and packaged for sale.
21:47 What's the demand like for Christmas puddings
21:49 around this time of year?
21:50 I'm guessing it's very high.
21:51 - Massive, absolutely massive, loads.
21:53 I couldn't even quantify a number to how many I've done
21:56 or sheer weight of volume I've done.
21:59 I think I'm pushing a thousand kilos this year.
22:03 So close to a thousand kilos this year.
22:05 Did 800 plus last year.
22:08 So quite high demand, yeah.
22:11 - Now I just had to try some for myself.
22:13 - Well, here I am at Fraser's in Edgerton
22:17 and I'm trying their award winning Christmas pudding.
22:21 It's got a recipe that's been passed around
22:23 throughout generations of the Fraser family.
22:25 And it does not disappoint.
22:33 It's got a beautiful taste
22:34 that's making me look forward to Christmas even more.
22:37 Well, don't be intimidated by the process at Fraser's.
22:39 You too can make your own puddings right at home.
22:42 And while the chefs didn't want to share
22:44 their generational recipe with me,
22:46 just know that making a pudding
22:47 isn't quite as hard as it looks.
22:49 Finn McDermid for KMTV.
22:51 - Well, handmade gifts like those
22:55 and shopping sustainably are just a couple of ways
22:57 Kent can be greener this Christmas.
22:59 But what about the way we present these gifts?
23:03 Well, from glitter to ribbons and wrapping paper to bags.
23:06 What are the small changes we can make
23:08 to be more sustainable this festive season?
23:10 Well, joining me with all the tips and tricks
23:13 is Daisy Page with some advice
23:14 on how to wrap more eco-friendly this Christmas.
23:18 Now, Daisy, why should we be thinking
23:20 about how we wrap our presents this Christmas?
23:22 - Well, a lot of the decorative things
23:24 and wrapping paper we buy are actually not eco-friendly.
23:27 So one of the main spotters you can find is glitter.
23:30 That is a microplastic.
23:31 And as you can see here,
23:33 these wrapping papers have a shiny looking film to them.
23:36 And this is actually made from plastic as well,
23:39 which cannot be recycled or put into a recycling bin.
23:42 And if you are shopping sustainably
23:44 and looking out for those factors,
23:45 another thing to be aware of is sellotape
23:47 is actually not eco-friendly.
23:49 So if you're using these,
23:50 advise people you're giving the gifts to
23:51 to make sure to remove that
23:52 before putting them into the bin.
23:55 - And what can people use to wrap their presents instead?
23:57 Because sellotape is a staple.
23:59 We all know that taking the bits of tape
24:01 and sticking them on the edge of the table
24:03 to wrap your presents.
24:04 So what can we use sort of as an alternative?
24:06 - Well, instead of shiny paper, glitter, or sellotape,
24:09 as you mentioned,
24:10 you can try and use ribbons, bags,
24:12 maybe different forms of paper as well.
24:16 So with ribbons and bags as well,
24:19 these are all items that can be reused again.
24:22 I don't know about you, but with bags,
24:23 I have a whole cupboard at home
24:25 of just bags for different seasons,
24:26 whether that's Christmas or birthdays.
24:28 And I don't actually think I brought any of them myself,
24:30 little ones that have been given to me,
24:32 and I just give them out again.
24:33 And that's no sellotape or wrapping paper being used.
24:37 And with tissue paper, you can use that.
24:39 That's a different type of paper that's not shiny.
24:41 And you can also use this to rewrap your gifts
24:43 or be used as arts and crafts.
24:45 My nan, if I give it to her,
24:46 she saves it and makes Easter cards of them.
24:49 - I suppose the bags as well,
24:50 all of them you say you've been given yourself.
24:52 So you just sort of take the name tag off that says,
24:55 "To Daisy, Merry Christmas,"
24:56 and then you can use it again next year.
24:58 What are you using to wrap your presents this year?
25:00 - So one of my go-to things,
25:02 which you don't actually find in the Christmas aisle,
25:04 is brown parcel paper.
25:06 This is usually a lot cheaper
25:08 than the Christmas or birthday wrapping paper you find,
25:10 and it's actually really easy to decorate yourself.
25:12 So around Christmas time,
25:14 I just go to the parcel aisle, grab some,
25:17 and what you can do with it, you can easily decorate it.
25:19 So you can either add ribbon, like I mentioned,
25:22 maybe some clippings from your tree
25:23 if you've got a real tree this year.
25:25 But what I like to do is find a bauble
25:26 with the person's name on and add that.
25:28 And it's just a nice extra gift that they can keep.
25:31 But if you're keen on patterns, instead of paper or bags,
25:34 you can either try a tea towel or a scarf,
25:37 and it's an added gift as well, which is always nice.
25:39 - That's such a lovely idea.
25:40 I hadn't thought of that one.
25:42 I have stacks of brown paper at home
25:43 because it's so versatile,
25:45 and I think it gives a quite nice finish sometimes as well.
25:48 It looks more authentic, I suppose, as well.
25:50 Depends what you like.
25:52 How can you encourage more people
25:54 to sort of wrap presents eco-friendly?
25:56 Because sometimes people want to go for
25:58 the cheaper sort of wrapping paper.
26:01 I know you mentioned that the brown paper
26:02 is actually cheaper.
26:03 So how can we encourage more people
26:05 to sort of go down the eco-friendly wrapping route?
26:08 - So at home, I've kind of created
26:10 a little bit of a tradition.
26:11 All my family know that I'm eco-friendly mad anyway.
26:14 So when I suggested this,
26:15 they were not surprised in the least.
26:17 So every year now, as of like a couple years ago,
26:20 I think when I started uni,
26:21 I suggested we hold a challenge for who can do
26:23 the most eco-friendly wrapping paper at Christmas.
26:26 And there were some brilliant ideas.
26:27 Some people use newspapers.
26:29 My sister used brown wrapping paper,
26:31 again, finding a nice ribbon that can be used.
26:33 Maybe you can use it in your hair
26:35 as a hair decoration after.
26:37 But that's just one way that I like to do that.
26:39 - Amazing, Daisy.
26:40 Well, we'll all be getting eco-friendly wrapping,
26:43 I'm sure, this evening and the rest of December
26:46 in the build up to Christmas.
26:47 Thank you very much for your time.
26:48 That's all we've got time for.
26:49 Good night.
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