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00:00:00 Sherrod's trying to get to the bottom of shit right now, okay
00:00:02 John
00:00:05 Yeah, this is this is taking me back to my days in Detroit
00:00:09 Digging he's trying to figure stuff out. There's something smells real fishy
00:00:14 I mean the Celtics got the win, but obviously you know we're talking about Jalen Brown and the
00:00:18 two-text and that it's not
00:00:22 First of all Jalen getting two texts in itself is bizarre, but the way they came about particularly that second one
00:00:29 Raises a lot of questions that I'm hoping to pull reporters
00:00:31 You know here at the garden will get try to get some answers from the officials on because that that was not a clear
00:00:38 obvious
00:00:40 Technical foul by the jailer got in the second one
00:00:42 I even think the I mean I I thought the first one was pretty suspect too
00:00:47 But the second one I don't understand you know
00:00:50 You know breaking it down, we'll just we'll update you what's going on Bobby and Joe sway are both down there
00:00:58 Joe's already talked to talked about it. He called it quote weak-ass shit. He had a conversation with the refs as well
00:01:04 He was pretty fired up
00:01:06 The refs will talk to the pool reporter
00:01:10 So we'll have some information off of that soon and get an explanation about what it is that the you know
00:01:16 And who was it again?
00:01:18 It was Jason Goldenberg gold Jason Goldenberg
00:01:21 What it is he saw from that far away or heard from that far away that made him toss Brown out of the game
00:01:27 And it's really interesting this feels like a classic
00:01:29 They're gonna rescind it sort of thing
00:01:32 Because I'm sure that they will it's also a no-harm
00:01:35 No foul situation because the Celtics did win, but that could have impacted the game
00:01:39 You're talking about seven minutes and like 723 or something along those lines
00:01:43 Left in the game and Browns out. That's it bang bang fifth foul to Tex
00:01:48 Could have been a big turning point ended up not being and the Celtics hang on to win
00:01:53 but the Jalen stops definitely was kind of lingering right now because people are trying to figure out exactly what
00:01:59 What the reason behind it was because it was hard to see it was hard to tell
00:02:04 Well, it was hard to see and hard to tell based on how quick it came and just again as you touched on John the proximity
00:02:11 Of the official from which Taylor was on the sideline. He was out of the game
00:02:15 he was doing what you're supposed to do when you get a tag and
00:02:20 The thing that I'm curious to hear about is one his reasoning irrational rationale for that second tag and
00:02:26 And also I'm curious to see what the league is gonna do when they review this because this will be reviewed
00:02:32 There's absolutely no doubt about that
00:02:34 The league is gonna take a closer look at this and are they going to punish Jalen even more so because he at one point?
00:02:39 He did have to be restrained
00:02:41 He did not leave the court right away and in part because he didn't know what the hell was getting tossed out for
00:02:47 Um, so I'm hoping that when the league reviews is that they will take it. They'll go take they'll factor in this thing
00:02:53 We like to call common sense
00:02:54 because if I'm kicked out of a game and I don't really know why and you're
00:02:58 Jalen literally had no way of knowing because the guy who made the call was on the other side of the court
00:03:04 So it wasn't as if he could just say your toss you did this XYZ one, two, three didn't happen
00:03:10 So I'm just again, this is this job and I love you John, you know, you're my guy
00:03:15 But god, I wish I was done with there right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
00:03:18 You know, but listen, this is you want to be mixing it up? Yeah, I I
00:03:23 We need answers and and then there's going to be opportunities to get those answers and get some of those answers tonight
00:03:28 But even whatever the referee says tonight
00:03:31 It's not gonna be over because this will be looked at and John I agree with you. I think there will be strong
00:03:36 consideration to rescind that second tech
00:03:41 Because it just again it just doesn't really make a lot of sense until we get it some kind of
00:03:45 Rational reason for it. I
00:03:48 Don't I don't have it. I mean again, so I we are definitely curious to hear what's gonna come out of it
00:03:54 Because you know, I don't think anybody at home
00:03:58 Kind of got it
00:04:00 There are man. I'm it got a pretty good shot. Here's Brown
00:04:05 Barkin after the fact
00:04:08 You know at at what went on there when he's coming back onto the court
00:04:12 And that was probably the only thing that went on he didn't have
00:04:16 He didn't leave the court as you said in a timely manner
00:04:20 So you never know what's gonna happen in that regard?
00:04:22 But I definitely think they're gonna pull that thing back and I thought that was some I you know
00:04:26 You I'm a call what it is. I was Bush League bullshit
00:04:30 It was bullshit that and I hate playing the homer card like oh that was dumb
00:04:34 You know like I thought Tatum actually might have earned his the other night, you know
00:04:38 I don't think I don't think Jalen earned it. I also think Jalen gets the best behavior of you know consideration here
00:04:46 He's not a guy who gets teed up. He's not a guy who gets super emotional. He's not a guy who's in on the refs
00:04:51 All the time. I mean he'll complain here and there like every other person, but that's just not his shtick
00:04:56 He's never been tossed out of a game
00:04:58 You know this felt I wouldn't say personal. I don't know if they have a history. It just felt like
00:05:04 Excessive it was totally excessive now the first tech, you know what?
00:05:08 I I don't have an issue most of the time when players get that first type because use especially if they don't just like let
00:05:15 Shit go or let stuff go and Jalen
00:05:17 I thought he did linger a little bit and I thought it was a weak tech
00:05:21 But I can understand the reasoning behind it made sense
00:05:24 He got called for his fifth foul and he let it be known that he wasn't happy about that new ref teed him up
00:05:28 But the second one yeah, that one made absolutely no sense
00:05:32 Yeah, and that that's one that the refs need to explain
00:05:37 What the hell happened there because it there's no way anyone but the ref knows
00:05:41 Yeah, why that why that one was called so we'll put a pin in this one and get back to it because we're gonna hear
00:05:48 a little bit more
00:05:49 from
00:05:50 You know from the officials exactly what went on there
00:05:53 But there was a lot of like good to talk about from tonight
00:05:56 And that's you know, if you want to go kind of in order, you know
00:06:01 You're definitely gonna start with Chris apps for Zingas now
00:06:03 He definitely cooled off started seven for seven misses next six shots didn't play as much
00:06:09 down the stretch but
00:06:11 His impact was almost immediate Jalen Brown who hadn't had an assist in two games immediately
00:06:17 Gets two quick ones to KP. He needs his buddy there
00:06:21 You know to get it moving
00:06:23 but like you know
00:06:25 I
00:06:26 Texted the guys on the thread the other day and I actually think Brian Barrett put up the same stat on Twitter today
00:06:32 The Celtics net the two five-man lineups that have played the most for the Celtics is the starting five that you have that Bobby wants
00:06:39 to dismantle I have to add that so the regular starting five and
00:06:43 the
00:06:45 Same four with Al and not Chris taps, okay
00:06:49 It's about a two to one minute gap between the starters, but it's by far the top two
00:06:54 You know most heavily used five-man lineups the net rating disparity is
00:06:59 Some I think it was plus 26 to minus 13
00:07:05 so plus 26 with poor Zingas and those and the other fed that the two Jays and the two guards and
00:07:12 Minus 13 with Al in the same unit in about half of the minutes
00:07:16 So this isn't meant to disparage Al but it is interesting how much they've come to rely on poor Zingas
00:07:24 So heavily this early in his tenure
00:07:27 Yeah
00:07:28 And the thing that he does is he allows all those guys to do things that they would not otherwise be able to do
00:07:34 You know we talked about this on the you know
00:07:37 The big three NBA podcast would be Corny Lunas and Gary Washington
00:07:40 We talked about who would benefit the most from poor Zingas return and it was unanimous
00:07:44 That it was gonna be Jalen Brown and we saw that early on in this game and Jalen is just as crazy as it sounds
00:07:51 He's a more complete player when he's on the floor with poor Zingas. He does he doesn't make those frustrating Jalen Brown?
00:07:58 moments as much as he does when there's no poor Zingas and I don't know how
00:08:04 Poor Zingas is such a short period of time has become that calming influence that allows Jalen Brown to look
00:08:10 Closer to being a 300 million dollar player than he does when poor Zingas is not around
00:08:16 But this this was a game that again. I thought the third quarter was absolutely the turning point when they finally started play some defense
00:08:23 I mean both teams shot in the mid to high 50s for most of the first half and that's that third quarter
00:08:28 That was a Derek White show getting it done at both ends of the floor
00:08:31 You know there was a sequence where he had a block at one end and then
00:08:35 That led to a transition basket for Tatum with a layup and put him up by 20 and that that little
00:08:40 10-15 second sequence was kind of a microcosm of that third quarter with Derek White on the floor
00:08:46 But this was one of those games where I thought the Celtics again that there were moments where they reminded us
00:08:52 Why they're on that top tier teams in the NBA?
00:08:55 But but there was work there was there flashes of why they got whipped by Indiana and flashes of why you know
00:09:02 They have those moments where you're just like
00:09:04 What are you doing?
00:09:06 But at the end of the day they got the win
00:09:08 They lived to fight another day, and I think we're gonna even hear about Jalen talking about
00:09:14 This game a little bit later, I think
00:09:16 Stats
00:09:21 Five man lineups you look at that first one there
00:09:27 You know
00:09:31 That's 27 net rating with the starters with Al - 14. It's a it's a 41
00:09:37 It's a massive massive gap there and again not an indictment on Al. It's just to show that that
00:09:44 The thing is is a big deal the poor thing is that what he does for everything
00:09:49 it's just the the the ability to spread the floor you know and the way that they play five out the way they do and
00:09:55 Just it whatever you decide to do you're kind of screwed if you play drop poor Zingas off of that screen
00:10:02 You know with Tatum can just flash and get a three-pointer every single time if he wants it
00:10:07 They can do a lot there. They can do a lot with very little
00:10:10 It's actually very easy to run the offense when he's out there or just kind of hit him down low
00:10:15 And how many times was it just I'm taller than you sort of situations with it
00:10:18 It just opens up the offense in so many ways
00:10:21 I would say for like two and a half quarters almost three and that's only because they missed a few
00:10:26 They missed a few bunnies in the third quarter to keep you know that they were right there
00:10:31 Just rolled in and out that's as good and that's as good as they've played on offense all all season long
00:10:37 Just in terms of the ball not really sticking not a ton of ISO
00:10:40 Moving it around getting good shots. I mean again it helps when you shoot 50 40 90 you know for an entire game
00:10:48 Which is what they did tonight?
00:10:49 Yeah
00:10:49 And and you know I was paying a little bit closer attention to when Luke was on the floor not so much around the basket
00:10:56 But when he's setting those those those screens for Tatum, and what does he do once Tatum makes his action move?
00:11:01 And he just stands there
00:11:03 He just stands there who's English will either roll or pop out and be ready to shoot and Luke just stands there
00:11:09 That's not over and I'm looking over at Bobby, and I'm like
00:11:12 Your boy
00:11:15 And Bobby's looking at me like what's wrong, and I'm like that's what's wrong
00:11:19 That's what's wrong. I'd rather him do one or the other I want him to either roll hard
00:11:24 Or just pop out and be ready to shoot. Just give me something give me something besides being a
00:11:31 seven-foot brick without without
00:11:34 Turning this into the let's crap on Cornette show cuz it had no bearing on tonight at all
00:11:40 It didn't jump it John that has been weighing on me all game. I got it out of my system
00:11:45 Therapy session is over we can move on yeah
00:11:48 I know no, no
00:11:48 But I'll just add one thing that what kills people with Cornette that
00:11:52 Cornette is always almost every run starts with Cornette in the game
00:11:56 You know so that's what's always concerning because teams go at him
00:11:59 And he just he's just so easy to go at and he just doesn't grab any rebounds you want to know and again
00:12:05 I know Horford was technically the first big
00:12:08 Off the bench, but when you were playing when when Porzingis was out
00:12:13 And you were forced to bring Cornette as your backup big you know
00:12:18 It's just not like he had one rebound granted in 11 minutes
00:12:24 Kertenstein who comes in as the backup center for the Knicks granted he played 29 minutes 16 friggin boards
00:12:31 You know like that's what you kind of need from your bigs like that's what's always bugged me about Cornette
00:12:35 It's just a big who doesn't play big
00:12:37 and so I
00:12:40 Don't know really what the purpose is there other than sometimes you just need a tall person to stand there
00:12:46 With their hands straight up in the air and hope that that's enough because that's about what you're gonna get I
00:12:51 Just want him to give me something be a shooter be a rebounder give me something just just get I don't I don't
00:12:57 I don't get it. I don't get it. I've never gotten it. I've never ever ever ever
00:13:03 About Chris that oh my he was so damn good at the start of this game. He's so good man
00:13:08 Uh no he was great and Chris steps gonna get a lot of love Derek white's gonna get a lot of drew drew holiday
00:13:15 Needed a game like today did because he had just shots had not been falling people started saying he looked a little slow
00:13:23 He was we last we saw him. He was like he was grabbing at his knee like you know
00:13:28 He hasn't had the best couple weeks stretch here almost to the point that people started like
00:13:34 So did we need was really a good?
00:13:38 Trade for holiday, you know because everyone wants to love it
00:13:43 And then you see Rob Williams go down, and it's like well. Yeah, you and you want it off of Brogdon anyway
00:13:47 But yeah, you know it's you know it's it had been and I you know you know me
00:13:54 I'm a huge huge huge holiday fan
00:13:56 So I was happy to see him
00:13:57 You know knock a few down and get to the rim and finish with the left. I feel like he's been struggling doing that
00:14:03 Recently his overall numbers at the rim have not been great anyway. We're gonna hear from
00:14:10 Joe we're gonna go back to the Jalen stuff because a lot of people are talking about it Brown talked to
00:14:14 We'll hear from him, but here's what Joe had to say regarding the Jalen Brown injection
00:14:19 No, I've been on the sidelines in the NBA for five years
00:14:22 And I've seen players act and say things that are way more disrespectful than that
00:14:27 and then on the second one it seemed like Jalen went to a different referee and
00:14:34 The first one was maybe still interacting with him. What was happening there on the second?
00:14:39 I didn't necessarily see what was happening on the second one, but I got a I got a clear explanation on the first one, okay
00:14:45 I'm doing everything I can just not cost myself $25,000. I understand that yeah
00:14:56 Wow, well Joey
00:14:59 Steaming he was a young coach Joe needed that that that in season tournament check - so he's not he's not
00:15:06 He's not gonna give away another 25k. Oh
00:15:09 So if ever there was a do well now
00:15:13 It's just a holiday season you don't give away that what you do as a coach if you want to get your money's worth
00:15:19 is rather than
00:15:21 Criticize the refs just go freaking ballistic and get yourself tossed. That's your pound of flesh there. That's not gonna get you fined
00:15:29 That's just that's but that's gonna get it out there. There's no benefit to saying stuff
00:15:34 To saying stuff, uh, you know publicly because you're gonna get trashed. Yeah, you are you are and I
00:15:40 Appreciate the fact that even though obviously he didn't verbally express his frustration and his anger
00:15:46 He made it clear that he was frustrated and pissed about what happened. Yeah, and yeah, I think Joe, you know
00:15:53 He's a young coach is trying to figure out what's the best way for him to manage not just the players
00:15:58 but also manages emotions because I
00:16:01 Can't imagine being a coach in that situation and you feel as though your guys
00:16:05 deserve better
00:16:07 I mean when you hear some of the stuff that and again having been on press roll and
00:16:12 Listening to some of the things that players who are considered top 20 top 40 hell even some guys who aren't even
00:16:19 Freaking Patrick Beverly gives good. Hello Kevin Garnett should have been getting like 15 ticks
00:16:24 text every trip down the court, you know, just I
00:16:28 Mean, I like like again. I spent a lot of years covering Rashid Wallace and I could tell you he earned a lot of those
00:16:34 Texts and I was but he had some where he didn't earn like he got tech
00:16:38 He got teed up for laughing at a player literally just laughing at a player to do this
00:16:43 Oh gosh, cuz I'll never forget it and that guy rescinded
00:16:45 But the point is this it's an emotional game and I get that it and not only for players and coach and also for officials
00:16:52 But that second tech I need to know what the hell happened on that one
00:16:56 Because that's the one that makes absolutely no sense from a an outsider looking at the game perspective
00:17:02 There's no sense. No sense. No sense. So we'll hear more on that those guys Jalen finished up talking
00:17:08 We'll get some of that sound on the air
00:17:10 In a little bit Bobby and just sway will be doubling back and we'll hear from them as well
00:17:15 and again, I do want to get into a bunch of other players because it's like
00:17:18 We were gonna give out a brownie tonight. I think honestly like you can make a case for
00:17:24 white
00:17:26 You can make a case for al you can make a case for holiday. You can make a case for porzingis
00:17:32 There was a lot to like up from a lot of different players tonight
00:17:37 And so I think deserves a little bit of love we'll get into that in a minute. Well, I'll tell you guys first
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00:19:36 I think statistically it's hard to argue that he didn't
00:19:40 He wasn't thought guy tonight. This was I mean, you know, we might overuse the term phenomenal
00:19:46 This was a phenomenal game from Derek white
00:19:48 He was so good and it was in every way and it's not just the counting stats. He was so freaking good
00:19:55 Yeah, you look at a line for Jalen Brunson. Not great, you know
00:19:59 Defensively, he was really really good
00:20:01 But the thing that he did that I thought was just really smart and I watched him a little bit
00:20:05 Closer in a second half his ability to move without the ball is
00:20:10 So freaking good and they've done a much better job of getting him the ball in sweet spots
00:20:17 Where he can be most impactful where he's comfortable and he's done a much better job
00:20:21 Recognizing when he needs to just go at guys
00:20:24 I and it gets back to something Tatum has said time and time again about how they have to almost like
00:20:31 beg him to be more assertive and
00:20:33 There are nights where he doesn't have to be nudged and this is one of those nights and I think seeing Jalen out of the game
00:20:39 I think for him something clicked that just said I just got to go get buckets cuz Jalen's not around and and Tatum
00:20:45 You know Tatum's gonna need some help
00:20:47 So let me do what I can do and I got a mismatch almost every possession
00:20:51 With either Jalen Brown Jalen Brunson on me who's too little Julius Randall's too slow
00:20:56 The Vincenzo too little and he did he did a really good job of just making the Knicks pay for every matchup that they didn't
00:21:04 address where they should have
00:21:07 Yeah
00:21:09 Again just a really interesting night
00:21:12 Like it felt like Tatum and Brown with the second were like the other guys in this
00:21:17 You know on this team for a while tonight
00:21:20 Like if you had never watched a basketball game in your life
00:21:24 And this was the first one ever like you might be like
00:21:26 Oh this Derek white guy must be their best player and also that really tall guy, you know
00:21:31 Like and it's not because the other guys were bad
00:21:34 in fact
00:21:34 I actually thought Brown was having a really good all-around game in terms of life, you know
00:21:38 And I think he got tweaked by something and we'll talk about that in a little bit too. But you know Brown he's got you know
00:21:46 he definitely
00:21:47 Pays attention to what's being said maybe a little bit too much
00:21:50 But I think I wonder if it impacted the way he played tonight, but I thought he played really well, but Tatum
00:21:56 One shot. I don't think he got a shot in his first stint
00:22:00 Before he subbed out at about the six minute mark
00:22:03 I don't remember I don't remember him touching the ball in the first six six minutes. Yeah
00:22:08 I don't know whether that was by design or to get porzingis going because we're saying has had the mismatch and
00:22:12 Porzingis had the hot hand right out the gate and he was making he was making the Knicks pay inside game three ball
00:22:20 He scored the first eight points. So he I
00:22:22 first initial thought was that
00:22:25 Maybe Tatum is just gonna ride this early hot hand and not know that he's still gonna get his shots as they come in the
00:22:32 Flow of the office, but he Tatum did not look like he was looking to score early on in India
00:22:37 I don't know whether that was just him just having one of those
00:22:40 Stretches or whether he was consciously trying to be part of the porzingis, you know
00:22:46 Let's get KP going because he's been out for a minute. Yeah. Yeah, um
00:22:52 Maybe but the thing is like it wasn't one of those like there would be times watching this team in the past charade
00:22:58 Where you'd be like, what is Joe doing get Tatum the ball?
00:23:02 And honestly if the but if shots weren't dropping and they went down 18 to 8 in those first six minutes and Tatum didn't get
00:23:07 A shot we'd be having a different conversation, which is how in the world
00:23:11 Do you not initiate some offense through your best player?
00:23:15 but they kind of didn't and that's I kind of like that in the sense of like
00:23:20 We're just gonna play you may get the ball. You may not
00:23:24 We're not just gonna give it to Tatum with 10 seconds into the clock and let him kind of figure out what he's gonna do
00:23:30 Next I find that that's when their offense is that they're worse
00:23:33 And I like that
00:23:35 It was the ball was in other people's hands and they were doing their thing and it was moving around and you're getting porzingis on
00:23:41 You know, you know open looks and white was doing his thing
00:23:44 I
00:23:45 Don't mind it because I do like I do think you've got this type of team where you can have a more
00:23:50 Democratic offense and not really like need to feed guys
00:23:54 Right, and it's good to see them actually not only look to do that but be effective in doing that
00:24:01 I mean porzingis Derek white drew holiday
00:24:04 You name it everyone pretty much everyone but Tatum those first few minutes was really in a good rhythm offensively
00:24:10 And the Tatum, you know
00:24:12 He's such a phenomenal talent that he can have a quarter where you don't look for him at all
00:24:18 It's still finish the game with 25 6 it happens all the time all the time
00:24:21 He's that damn good where he doesn't need to hunt shots
00:24:25 He doesn't need to hunt opportunities to get buckets because he's so talent that he's just gonna it's just gonna happen
00:24:31 There are very few players in his league that can just basically wake up out of bed
00:24:36 Go into the basketball court and get you 25
00:24:39 Without doing any you don't really even have to call players for Tatum. Really? He's that good
00:24:44 He's gonna recognize the opportunities to get buckets and I just thought early on it was porzingis is night
00:24:49 And they made it they made up a point of feeding him early enough
00:24:54 But again, it's I still find it remarkable that we can talk about a Celtics team and say they looked as good
00:25:00 Offensively as they've looked at any point in the year and you had kind of up so so
00:25:04 You know Tatum game and Brown was pretty good
00:25:07 But wasn't dropping buckets by any means and got ejected and you still come away with it scoring
00:25:14 133 points and feeling like this was one of the better all-around
00:25:18 Offensive games you had that just kind of shows like both the firepower and the porzingis effect on this offense again. It was just
00:25:25 hard for them not to score it kind of felt like you know, I just
00:25:30 And that's what I think people like that, you know myself included got geeked up about you know
00:25:36 Early early in the season when those guys were it's just like how do you how do you stop this?
00:25:43 How can you contend with this and with this team when they're playing that way?
00:25:47 Well, I think Johnny it goes back to what you said earlier about that that Democratic little D
00:25:51 approach to the game where it becomes
00:25:55 Extremely difficult for your defense to do the things that you're you've been trained to do if there's a hot hand
00:26:00 You need a double team you tilt you blitz you do something to throw that hot hand off
00:26:05 Well, what do you do when there's five hot hands?
00:26:08 what the hell you gonna do when you've got a seven foot two inch guy that can score around the basket and
00:26:12 You know for three-point line
00:26:14 You've got a six six six seven guard and Derek white who can do
00:26:18 can guard one through five on a lot of teams and still go out there and get you 15 points as the fifth option and
00:26:25 They pose a lot of problems when they are playing
00:26:29 That all-encompassing, you know, everyone is getting everyone is feeding. Yeah
00:26:34 Yeah, I think if defensively they tried like 10% harder
00:26:40 You know in the first half. I I thought they were the effort was and I don't think they were contesting
00:26:47 much
00:26:49 You know on a lot of them a lot of like, yeah, you know
00:26:52 You know
00:26:53 They play a little bit tighter defense in this things a 25-point game at the half the way the officers playing but Nick shot the lights
00:26:59 Out cuz I you know, I think the Celtics kind of let them have some open looks and they did they knocked him down
00:27:04 He did I mean that was a disappointing pink is you know, I got like RJ Barrett for example
00:27:10 Who is he's been kind of struggling lately the last he's he's scored less than 20
00:27:15 in the previous four games is only average about just under around 16 points a game in their last five games and
00:27:21 They gave him so many great looks. I mean, he was the one guy that I'm just watching
00:27:27 I know he's not like, you know, we're new also, but there was some respect for that man's game
00:27:32 You can't let him just just just dribble and drive and shoot and raise up and do whatever the hell he wants to
00:27:38 What he wants to because he's an NBA player. He's going to make shots if you do that
00:27:43 I have I have the pool report
00:27:46 Right now, so I'm gonna read
00:27:48 A little bit off of it kind of in real time. I'm just seeing it now. So give me a second here
00:27:54 I'm opening it up
00:27:56 Where did it go here it is
00:27:58 Okay
00:27:58 So the pool report what warranted Brown getting the first technical first technical foul was called for use of profanity towards a game official
00:28:06 What warranted the second technical on Brown second technical foul was called for a wave off directed at the official
00:28:12 So which under the respect of the game guidelines is considered an overt gesture not sportsman like that
00:28:17 That's it. Wow. That's the whole report. So a wave off
00:28:21 Let's let's put it this way letter of the law is that and I'll say this it's that whole first tech second tech thing, right?
00:28:30 like
00:28:32 How many first texts have we seen with this poor Zingas has gotten them?
00:28:39 Tatum's gotten them. We've seen them quite a bit that they don't want it like so they're trying to eliminate it for sure
00:28:45 And yes, that's what I said
00:28:48 There's some gesticulating on the bench there and Brown's waving, but I don't think he waved off the official
00:28:54 That's right. I believe that's I believe what he was saying was the same foul down there
00:29:01 Right saw him waving his hand and banged him for it. And so that's what I thought
00:29:06 I didn't think it was words and when Joe said I've heard worse. I don't think they heard what he said from down there
00:29:11 I think they saw this and waving his arms around
00:29:14 And called it the overt gesture which again
00:29:18 You got to be looking to eject the guy
00:29:20 To do that in the first place because he was so far out of there and he's not but I really think I mean you
00:29:27 Can see him mouth it it was the same
00:29:30 Play down there and he's pointing to the other end of the floor not at the ref
00:29:36 I think they'll see that and do some very basic lip-reading and be able to figure that out pretty quickly and reverse it
00:29:42 One of the officials Sean Corbin was near Jalen when that call from the other official on the other side of the court
00:29:51 Made the call Sean Corbin. I
00:29:54 Think he's the one that could clear a lot of this up if Jalen is over on that as a silent saying make the same
00:30:01 Call down there and you get back there with your officials and you've got one
00:30:05 He said I gave him a second toss because he was waving me us off
00:30:08 Why would you not speak up and say no he was saying make the same call down which is different than waving you off
00:30:14 Yeah, it's not yeah
00:30:16 This is oh
00:30:19 Man it's it's it's silly stuff
00:30:24 That that
00:30:26 It's it's silly, but I think we had it right on first glance like looking at it
00:30:31 And that's what it was the hand motion was what in this I had most the hand motion did a man because they thought he was
00:30:37 You know he was you
00:30:39 You know your arms between there's a difference between just saying
00:30:42 That's waving you off, but if I'm going directly like this
00:30:46 Yeah
00:30:52 Yeah, exactly
00:30:54 It is what it is still waiting for Joe sway and Bobby to join us at some point
00:30:59 We will have a little bit of Jalen Brown
00:31:01 Sound on the ejection we'll get back to that story in a bit because I wanted to do the you know get that full report
00:31:08 Action there, but you know I'll let you gush a little bit about our man Al and again
00:31:13 I put up that stat earlier
00:31:16 And it doesn't look great Al with the starters
00:31:21 So I certainly don't want it, but
00:31:23 What was missed on that stat was the third most used lineup that they play there?
00:31:29 With those teams is the double big lineup and it in fact does very well
00:31:35 So you know oddly enough Bobby still has some semblance of a case in his quest to get Al starting
00:31:41 but
00:31:44 Still it's really more a matter of you know
00:31:47 I just think Al is perfectly suited to come off the bench and just the way that they can kind of set their rotations
00:31:54 I still don't know why Cornette needed to play tonight
00:31:57 But maybe it's again you wanted to keep
00:31:59 Perzingis under 30 maybe in his first game back and that was more the thinking rather than stretch him out to 35 36 37 when he
00:32:06 Hasn't played in three weeks or so, but I just think it makes perfect sense, but he was again
00:32:11 He played a near perfect game tonight
00:32:13 Yeah, and then this is this is the Al for that if you're gonna win a championship Boston
00:32:18 You're gonna need this Al Horton come in there be solid on the boards
00:32:22 Knock down open threes because you're going to get a lot of open threes
00:32:25 You don't have to take everyone
00:32:27 But you need to at least make one or two so that the defense will respect you a little bit out there
00:32:32 And I'll get his job tonight. I mean this is this is literally a I mean if they could
00:32:37 If they could copy what Al did tonight and have this out every single game
00:32:43 They're they're winning a championship. There's no doubt about it because Al gives you exactly what you need off the bench
00:32:50 I
00:32:51 Think we all can kind of see the writing on the wall that once they get to the playoffs and this bench gets a little
00:32:56 Bit tighter. We're probably not gonna see
00:32:58 Certain players that we saw out there tonight come off the bench and and Al is not one of them out will be out
00:33:04 Yeah, so this was good. This was good out
00:33:07 This was the good out that I think the Celtics
00:33:10 Absolutely need to see more of going forward now that you're whole again
00:33:14 Does that mean the Banton minutes and the Cata minutes are gone forever, you know?
00:33:19 You know what?
00:33:22 I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say no because I think Joe
00:33:27 Still in the back of his mind is thinking
00:33:30 even though this is my core group I
00:33:33 Kind of like the band guy and for and I and again I'm speaking for Joe
00:33:39 I'm not speaking for sure. I'm sure Ron is not on board with Banton's minutes. I'm I'm off that ship all together
00:33:45 SHIP ship all
00:33:48 But Joe is not Joe Joe likes what he's saying out of him. I don't I just don't think he's giving you anything
00:33:55 You've got enough guys to get him to the ball. He's not a good shooter. His defense is me and
00:34:01 I prefer Sam Hauser at this point over over Ben easily easily
00:34:07 Sam made some plays today. We haven't really talked. I like Sam Sam made some pretty sweet plays this game and a block shot
00:34:15 And I think that I like I keep talking about this Sam dare. We said he looked athletic tonight. Oh
00:34:22 I thought he was about to dunk on Hartle state. I
00:34:25 Thought he was gonna I thought he oh
00:34:28 And that would have that would have absolutely brought the house down if he did that
00:34:33 But the thing I keep watching more and more about Sam that it's just it's just who he is
00:34:37 He's a smart enough player to do the most basic fundamental thing
00:34:42 You want to do as a defender and that is stay between?
00:34:45 rim
00:34:47 and a dribbler
00:34:49 Exactly and Sam Sam does that as good as anyone on his team damn near and and he's never but he's not a gonna be shot
00:34:57 Blocker, he's not walking guys up. He's just gonna make you making shots harder. That's what you want
00:35:02 That's what we said about him last year, too
00:35:04 It's like, you know, you had that they had that stupid stat about him leading the league in defensive rating and again, right?
00:35:10 You know that was again, you know part of it was in his limited minutes. I think teams
00:35:14 You know, we've explained why we think this kind of thing happens to just get teams get matchup
00:35:21 You know all geeked up on finding the matchup and hunting him out and they take their you know
00:35:26 They take themselves out of their
00:35:28 Offense because they're just like gotta attack this guy gotta attack this guy and it's easier for the defense to settle when you know
00:35:34 What's coming and when the other team just goes I so heavy because they think they've got a matchup in Hauser
00:35:38 So they weren't as successful as they thought but really it just comes down to the fact that he's always competitive on defense
00:35:45 It's not as you said, he's not driving you nuts. He's not locking you up. He's not everywhere you
00:35:50 Everywhere you look to go. He's not there waiting for you
00:35:54 He's not one of those guys, but he is exactly that is I'm just gonna stay in front of this guy and stay competitive
00:36:00 And I'm not if I'm not gonna be a freaking turnstile here and that's what he does
00:36:04 He's always competitive and he's smart and he plays with his feet and he does a good job with that
00:36:09 And you know what and I was texting a scout earlier today
00:36:14 And then and we're just we got somehow we got on the topic of Sam and I asked him, you know
00:36:18 Why is it that teams are still looks like they're trying to hunt him down and he said they're not
00:36:24 Doing that necessarily to score on him
00:36:26 They're doing that to wear him down because now he's on a scouting report as a guy that can knock down shots
00:36:31 If you make him work harder defensively, yeah, you absolutely want to score but then it was just like what you're wearing him down
00:36:38 So he's not going to shoot as well. And I thought tonight Sam did not shoot the ball really
00:36:43 Like we've seen and he had to play a lot harder defensively in this game
00:36:48 Then I think these had to play some others because they were going at him a lot
00:36:51 Yeah, it was not a typical of the Sam Hauser box score on his birthday, which is what it was today
00:36:58 I think 26 years old today. Happy birthday. Sam Hauser did not hit a three on his birthday
00:37:05 tear oh
00:37:07 I lost you
00:37:11 Yeah, that doesn't feel right that he didn't hit it through on his birthday, right?
00:37:15 This should have been he should have been the one with 30 points not dear boy exactly
00:37:19 But again contributed in different ways, which you like what's funny about Hauser, you know, and again Oh for five tonight
00:37:26 No, you know - 10, you know all five from three
00:37:29 What's funny about Hauser was?
00:37:32 You know the fear factor with playing him or leaving him in there or playing, you know
00:37:38 You know deep minutes with him. I just I think the most important thing is that doesn't exist anymore
00:37:44 You're actually fine. You're fine playing him in most
00:37:48 Situations now and it's not kind of like oh, let's survive the Sam minutes
00:37:53 Like I don't think you feel that I really do think it was like in case of emergency
00:37:58 Glass sort of player and he's not that guy for them anymore. I think they're just like yeah when we need them
00:38:04 We'll pull we'll put him out there
00:38:06 Josue Pavone has been on the scene hunting down the latest about some bullshit
00:38:13 No about what went down. Were you in talking to Jalen and before you tell your story
00:38:19 Let me see if we I have a set were you in talking to Jalen? I was yeah
00:38:22 We have a soundbite here. I'll play it first and then we'll hear just ways take he was in there listening to Brown
00:38:27 Talking about his ejection in the fourth quarter of tonight's game against
00:38:32 To be honest, I'm not sure
00:38:38 But I wish I would have got my money's worth I always thought my first career ejection would be something a little more exciting
00:38:44 You know, maybe a tussle or something, you know guys get folded up go to the ground not some over emotional ref who had a bad day
00:38:52 like
00:38:54 Most upset about is I should have got my money's worth. What was the second thing that got you tossed?
00:38:58 I don't know. So I think it's a difference between
00:39:01 showing emotion and
00:39:04 It being disrespectful or derogatory towards another person. I don't think I was directing it towards him whatsoever
00:39:11 Especially on a second one. It wasn't even close. I'm on a bench. You know what I mean? I'm talking from the sideline
00:39:17 You can't even hear anything I'm saying so he calls it tech from across the court, you know, that's for sure
00:39:22 Have to do with somebody
00:39:24 Having a emotions too involved and whatever else is going on and they access in a power with technical fouls
00:39:30 Like, you know, I ain't gonna comment on
00:39:33 Officiating in general, but I am gonna comment on this guy in particular tonight. I thought that was thought that was bullshit
00:39:40 Yeah, he's got the kind of money he's gonna get the tech rescinded
00:39:58 But he's gonna give back a little of that 300 mil after that press conference
00:40:02 So just wait you were in on it. Give us your take
00:40:05 Yeah, I mean Bobby's trying to crash your party, but you got the floor
00:40:08 He's still pretty fired up and you know what rightfully so rightfully
00:40:12 So, I mean obviously the ejection didn't cost us all things the game here, but when you think about a referee, you know
00:40:17 Handing a technical foul over something that he did and he's calling from across the court
00:40:22 I mean you can 100% understand why if you're Jay and you're like, how do you do that?
00:40:27 And then you you pull the second one, you know
00:40:30 Right in that moment. So I looked at the
00:40:32 pool report
00:40:34 the officials now he spoke on the second one because Jalen said like I didn't say anything to this guy even
00:40:39 within a shot of his ears and he said that um
00:40:42 all the officials rather said that it was a gesture that Jalen made a a
00:40:47 You know, did you guys go over this already? We so you we just saw the pool report a couple
00:40:52 Okay, and that's what Sharad and I were were we're speculating before. That's why I think it's personal
00:40:58 You know if you saw
00:41:00 He's far away and Brown is saying you can see it clear as day. He's and it was the same
00:41:07 Play down there and he's pointing to the other end of the court and the ref probably sees this
00:41:13 Pointing his fingers. He's looking Jalen saying like in this clown
00:41:17 You mother he thinks he's wagging it. He called it. I think it's so obvious
00:41:25 He's like that's why you don't make any calls from that far away
00:41:29 Like you're not calling a foul from the other end of the court because you don't have you can't see it
00:41:34 You can't toss a player from that far away
00:41:38 Not being sure that what he's saying is directed at you at that point. Absolutely
00:41:43 I can't make those kind of assumptions, right?
00:41:45 You can't so that was the mistake there is he for sure assumed that Brown was going at him
00:41:50 Yeah, and it wasn't the case and the Joe Mazzola weighed in on it talking about how you know
00:41:55 What would he said the line that he heard that earned him?
00:41:58 The first technical foul was about a call that he he labeled weak ass
00:42:01 SHIT is Joe Mazzola said and as Joe Mazzola said he's heard a lot worse in the NBA a whole lot worse. So
00:42:08 without
00:42:10 Saying without going further, you know into detail. He just put it this way said look
00:42:14 I don't want to lose $20,000. So, you know, that was his way of saying that's all I'm gonna say about that
00:42:19 But clearly Joe Mazzola didn't agree with the first technical foul
00:42:21 He couldn't speak on the second one because he said he didn't see what happened
00:42:24 He didn't see the play by play that led to the second one, but he was really against the first one and Jalen Brown
00:42:28 I mean he cooled off towards the end of the press conference, but you could tell he obviously was very fired up
00:42:33 Like he said in that video. He never thought that his first ejection would be over an emo ref if you will
00:42:38 And that's what that's what that's what happened tonight. We had an emo ref in his feelings Wow Bobby
00:42:43 They will find me John. I'm good. So we good guys
00:42:48 Yeah Celtics were laughing in the locker room. They said they've never seen Jalen that mad
00:42:52 They were laughing at how he was how he was kind of waving his fingers
00:42:56 Calling the guy toward him as he was storming off the bench there
00:42:59 He was and then Jason at one point get him in trouble to like Jalen's gonna get the tech rescinded
00:43:05 But going out there and tell him the ref to come to just step to him, you know, or whatever. Yeah
00:43:09 You just want to have a conversation with them, Joe
00:43:12 Yeah, you can't storm on the court like that
00:43:17 For a second
00:43:19 I feel jail on them conversations. I wasn't calm Joe sway. It wasn't calm
00:43:23 No, you know, you know, you know what someone's really upset to give you that that nicely just come in for a second
00:43:29 Just come in for a second
00:43:31 Let's go around the corner have this conversation
00:43:33 Someone's like you should have seen the look on Sam's face
00:43:38 So
00:43:43 They were how's there so
00:43:45 No, how's it was shocked I guess but they uh, they shrugged it off
00:43:49 They're not too concerned about it for Zingas did say though that
00:43:53 They got to work on that a little bit and he put it on himself, too
00:43:56 Cuz obviously he's had a lot of text this year that you know, no one's ever gonna be 100% happy with their refs
00:44:01 No one's ever gonna be praising them. So I guess Jalen went all in Oh Joe sway
00:44:06 He he racked up some more money in that press conference. You think oh
00:44:10 Definitely absolutely couple couple checks. I don't like to talk about refs, but this mother
00:44:15 I guess he's in his feelings
00:44:25 You had a bad day
00:44:29 Yeah, I don't know about this one obviously I thought Jason was at fault last Friday
00:44:36 With trying to interrupt the replay there this one. I don't know like you said John it it wasn't
00:44:41 Conclusive it was from far away. He's on the bench just kind of stewing. I
00:44:45 Think you just let it go there if you're the rest
00:44:48 But again, you can't put yourself in that position if you're Jason or Jalen back-to-back weeks
00:44:54 And it's a close game at that point John
00:44:57 It's it's not I don't know. This one's different like there's no doubt about it. There's there two separate
00:45:06 Stories one it probably wasn't a warrant to tech to just shut up
00:45:11 You know
00:45:11 Like there's no benefit to continuing going at the ref and you've already earned your fifth foul and you got a sit
00:45:18 And you just got a tech there's no benefit to continuing to go at him on the bench
00:45:23 So yes, obviously better same thing with Tatum
00:45:26 He just couldn't let it go and he kept going and going and going
00:45:29 It's obviously better to just take your medicine and stop
00:45:33 It was a bad call or I didn't like the call. I'm done. I
00:45:37 Not I'm not good. Nothing good can possibly come out of it
00:45:41 It still doesn't change the fact that it was a bullshit tech
00:45:44 Is that anyone's job charade to calm these guys down in that spot and make sure they don't get ejected?
00:45:49 Because if this happens in a playoff game, it could be devastating
00:45:57 There are certain assistant coaches whose job is to make sure that when things get like for example if let's say
00:46:03 Something really egregious happens on the court and then it you start seeing players
00:46:09 Trying to converge there certain assistant coaches supposed to keep certain players
00:46:14 From not engaging in that well
00:46:17 I'm not I don't know if there's a I don't know if there's this like a protocol for you know
00:46:22 If a player is getting upset you assistant coach need to calm him down
00:46:25 No, these are grown-ass men who are making nine figures
00:46:29 Eight figures. No, you need to calm yourself down. That's a different tax record
00:46:35 Yeah, it is and it the thing about Jalen though, and I think the part of the frustration for him and I understand
00:46:41 Where he's coming from he's on the bench. He has these taking himself out of
00:46:47 The court he should be able to say whatever the hell he wants to
00:46:51 Within reason on the bench and if he's just saying oh, you know, if he's just gesturing this way making it I
00:46:58 Don't understand how I'm still struggling
00:47:01 It's personal man, it's got to be personal to me
00:47:06 This is maybe these two have a history or he's just always been someone that he's like, you know
00:47:11 I don't like this guy's attitude, you know me because for him to make that assumption. It's got to be personal
00:47:15 It has I don't know
00:47:17 because
00:47:20 I just think I think he's in his feelings and you know, I think he was very mad
00:47:25 Yeah, but the fact that you okay
00:47:29 It's a different it's a difference between getting waved off right in front of your face like get out of here with that weak stuff
00:47:33 Or whatever and doing it from afar, you know, and I feel like when I say personal
00:47:37 I don't think that this guy's like, oh, I can't stand Jalen every single night
00:47:40 But I think that way he's in the heat of the game heat of the moment
00:47:42 He's got a tech ready for jail at that time, you know, and I don't know obviously
00:47:45 We don't know if these two have a history but for you to to give him that second technical foul that quickly
00:47:51 I don't know man makes me feel like he sort of has a thing that he had that right, you know
00:47:56 I mean, I just like he had that right
00:47:58 Do you agree with this John? I want poke s up here
00:48:00 Yes, and no there's a different you can show emotion without complaining to the referees I don't think a plane of the refs is emotion
00:48:08 It's not like
00:48:10 Like that's just it's selfish honestly, like to just it's your thing. You feel you got wrong
00:48:16 You've got to get your pound of flesh
00:48:18 Emotion to me is so you don't like how you're a hard foul and you run up to somebody and you get in their face
00:48:23 You hit right deck you do different things you get up you flex you friggin roar after a good play. That's emotion
00:48:29 This isn't that this is like I said, everyone's gonna get hot. It's a competitive game
00:48:34 Stuff like that's gonna happen. You're gonna you're gonna flail around
00:48:38 You might give somebody a shove and get yourself a tech you might snap at a ref quick because you have you have an emotional
00:48:44 Response, it's part of the game, but nobody's rooting for guys to go in on the refs as a sign of emotion
00:48:51 I think there's a million different ways that they can they can show it
00:48:53 But there's a difference between the first tech in the second tech though, right John
00:48:56 I mean like not to say that like after you get handed that second tech you have to be I mean not to say that
00:49:01 What do you call it to earn that second tech?
00:49:03 You have to do something way worse than the first thing
00:49:05 But I mean this is sort of that situation though, right and at the same time, you know
00:49:09 we talked about what happened with Tatum right when he got ejected and I just feel like there's a difference between
00:49:15 Soon as the calls made and you react right away
00:49:18 They continue
00:49:21 The more, you know something bad's gonna potentially happen you're putting yourself in a position where you know
00:49:29 It's like giving them excuse but that's it. But then when they're separated though, you're thinking okay
00:49:34 Jalen's good now like that's that's where I side with Jalen because I'm like you you did the right thing
00:49:38 He's not you shouldn't have a guy's face
00:49:40 He wasn't pursuing him, right? You shouldn't have been ejected
00:49:44 I mean those are the type of injections that I feel like are warranted where the official just feels cornered
00:49:48 He doesn't know what to do and he's in his feelings as well. He's emotion
00:49:51 It's again, it seems stupid considering you remember what like what it takes to get you mean the conversation
00:49:56 We had two years ago in the playoffs what it took dream on to get ejected
00:49:59 He's literally stepping on people's balls, you know, like and you're not tossing them out of the game like so again
00:50:05 Yes, this is stupid shit like it's stupid. But as far as the emotion, no, I don't that
00:50:10 I'm not saying that necessarily like favorite or not, but sometimes it happens. It's never happened to Brown before
00:50:16 We're not sitting here saying Bobby. It's like a problem, you know, like I'm not worried like oh
00:50:21 He's just not his thing
00:50:25 No, it hasn't been for Jalen right now for this team it it has and grants gone, of course
00:50:30 So maybe someone had to step into the you know
00:50:32 Backup role behind it. This has been weird this year guys
00:50:36 And normally they have their funky first two three weeks where they want to lay the little law and all that
00:50:42 Typical time with nuance. Okay, it it didn't he didn't deserve a tech
00:50:49 But the more you go and bark at the refs and continue with your beef the more you open yourself up to it
00:50:55 You guys understand the difference, right? Okay
00:50:57 It can be both and you can't win. There's no winning there. Yeah, I mean
00:51:03 Right, exactly
00:51:09 Yeah other basketball related stuff Bobby
00:51:12 That's how the second half of the conference felt like no one spoke for a second
00:51:16 And then a Jared Weiss goes, uh, so Jared White had a good game today and everyone just kind of laughs
00:51:21 So, I mean, yeah, Jalen wasn't as pissed off pissed off first by the end of it
00:51:26 But obviously he had to say what he had to say. I love the balance in this game John offensively
00:51:31 I felt like everybody was involved in this game. They found ways to integrate bench guys into the starting lineup
00:51:36 You saw that double big unit to close in the halftime
00:51:39 You saw how's your plane in the fourth quarter with the starters contributing had a big offensive rebound
00:51:44 For a second chance bucket when the lead got down to nine there. So
00:51:48 Tremendous game offensively they need this. They looked like they were reorganized reset on that end
00:51:54 You didn't see the clunkiness
00:51:55 That you saw over the last nine games before this that we were starting to worry me a little bit and poor Zingas returning obviously
00:52:00 has a big deal in that outcome, but
00:52:03 Drew more involved. I felt like his involvement was very low to start this season and Derek probably the best game
00:52:11 He's had all year. So those guys obviously benefited from poor Zingas being back out there
00:52:15 Some good set plays to at different points in this game. You saw Joe calling those out got war for two three in the corner
00:52:21 I got Jalen that dunk over heart and seen so
00:52:24 coaching getting involved in the offense to
00:52:27 to initiate them through some of the more stagnant stretches in the second half because obviously that 20-point lead got down to seven another
00:52:33 at one point
00:52:37 Sherrod has Sherrod's got
00:52:39 Too much commotion around him. So we'll continue on here. He may jump back on
00:52:44 May not Bobby we talked about this a little and I want I want your take on it
00:52:48 I sent the stats to you guys a couple of week like a couple of days ago and then Brian Barrett, you know
00:52:54 tweets it today
00:52:56 the on/off numbers with the starters the starting for the core for and poor Zingas and the same ones and
00:53:03 Horford being such a stark difference here. And again, I'm not saying this as an indictment on Horford, but it is interesting
00:53:10 How dependent this team has become I mean it has become on poor Zingas so early
00:53:14 Yeah, it's unbelievable at this point. I think just way you're starting to say they don't have him. They're gonna be in rough shape just cuz
00:53:22 he's the guy Brown and Tatum can play off of we know how much they have
00:53:28 Problems sometimes playing off each other
00:53:32 But when you have the big man involved as a screener in mismatches as an easy target for passes
00:53:38 I mean he scored the first eight points in this game and then was the target throw
00:53:42 I thought he forced things a little bit in the second half
00:53:44 Which you know you'll take from him because he can hit those tough
00:53:48 I can't believe some of those two pointers
00:53:50 He hits from mid-range John where the guys right in front of him and he just tosses it up over their head
00:53:54 Like no rhythm we've all shot those shots before it's they're almost impossible to make but he makes him look easy
00:54:02 You know when a guy's right up underneath them, so
00:54:04 It's a great return look fresh the three-pointer was there early and often for him drawn free throws the strength of his -
00:54:11 He's just such a weapon on that end and I turned the juice way at one point tonight
00:54:15 I was like who would ever thought this would be the guy this would be the guy who would unlock everything
00:54:20 It just shows how far his games come because when we talked about train for him at other points
00:54:24 He wasn't this guy. There's a different poor Zingas. We're seeing compared to three four years ago in Dallas, especially
00:54:32 Yeah, he's such a smarter player. I feel like I mean we we didn't see him a lot
00:54:36 You know throughout the course of the last two three seasons
00:54:39 But you just seen the difference of the way he meshes with these guys
00:54:42 and of course those those games against the Wizards where he was really carrying carrying the
00:54:47 Offense against the Celtic so I mean obviously Brad Stevens had this guy in mind and he made the right decision because he just changes
00:54:53 Everything I mean there was a one point where like some of these defenders would they get caught on the switch and it doesn't even matter
00:54:58 Like it's this it's just devastating like there was one play where he scores
00:55:01 Like you said Bobby made it look effortless almost like off of like one foot
00:55:04 Three points shot over Josh Hart shoots it right in his face heart goes back on the other end of the floor
00:55:09 Gets calling the switch fouls poor Zingas, which I think at that point was his fourth foul
00:55:13 He just does a beeline straight to the corner and just sits there and salts like that's how frustrating he is
00:55:19 And I feel like with this lineup, especially it doesn't matter who they're playing against
00:55:23 I mean in terms of the switching it's interchangeable
00:55:26 I mean all these guys can guard one through five and it's interesting because
00:55:28 one of the questions that Joe Missoula got before the game was the difference in the impact that that poor thing is does and the
00:55:34 fact that he's one of the one of the four guys that can do that in terms of switching and
00:55:38 Missoula's like actually we had about eight or nine guys that do that and I think it just shows
00:55:42 It says a lot about what the Celtics defense looks like when forging is out there and especially
00:55:47 What do you mean to the offense and those numbers that John you sent me?
00:55:50 It just makes it makes sense
00:55:52 But seeing it back after not for like a week and a half is just like oh wait
00:55:56 Yeah, this is how it's explosive this team can be the office can be I mean shit with a hundred points in the first three
00:56:02 Quarters, I mean, that's that's how that's all that you could is
00:56:05 It's odd. It's instant the impact the impact right away Bobby. It's interesting to like
00:56:10 We didn't know
00:56:13 Exactly what you're getting in poor Zingas, right?
00:56:15 This is the guy who fell off everybody's radar
00:56:17 kind of you know just based on either injuries or just kind of playing in obscurity and
00:56:24 You know not ever kind of living up to that
00:56:27 You know first couple season hype when he came out with the Knicks is that you know the original unicorn?
00:56:32 And this guy who was like, you know
00:56:35 Early in his career, maybe a top 10 NBA come out like oh my god poor Zingas
00:56:40 and then
00:56:42 You know
00:56:43 There's some reputational issues that people were concerned like what type of guy are you getting in this and that like it's almost like pinch
00:56:50 Yourself kind of dream scenario in terms of not only that I believe about the type of guy like player
00:56:55 He is and how he fits like instantly like he and Jalen are best friends. He freaking loves it here
00:57:00 He'll do whatever it takes to win, but also the fit on the court like both of those things is it's like I
00:57:07 Didn't we just didn't know we didn't know exactly how it would work
00:57:12 He his demeanor is so infectious - you guys laughing like Jason and everybody were laughing at his postgame
00:57:18 Comments there because he was like after the ejection everybody calm down
00:57:23 Everyone was everyone was chill even the coaches and Drew's in the back like mimicking them like they all just get a kick out of
00:57:30 him he's so easygoing and
00:57:32 he seems to be a great teammate in the room because
00:57:35 All he says is I don't care my about my stats. I don't care about the shot totals
00:57:41 I don't really care about any of that. I'm having fun here because we're winning love the crowd love the fans
00:57:46 He just seems to get this whole experience maybe because of the other
00:57:49 Difficult experiences he's been through I know he was on JJ Redick talking about that this week as well, but he's hilarious
00:57:56 I mean I was joking around with Joe sway before the game
00:57:59 He's drinking a coke and just walking on the court and hitting shots and then right before we talked to him now
00:58:04 He just pounded a Bud Light came over and talked
00:58:08 My man, like just he's just such a great time here and his game looks effortless to Johnny
00:58:14 Just tosses it up and hits everything. I've never been more impressed by watching a player just shoot around even this morning
00:58:21 It's you around he just boom boom boom boom boom three three three three three
00:58:25 And I know that's not impressive because all the you know pros can do that effectively, but with him
00:58:29 It's just a little bit more smooth watching him do it in that body
00:58:32 Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. No, I'm with you too, Bobby
00:58:35 I mean we don't see that often someone that can just light it up even with you know
00:58:41 No one out there and it's not in the game situation. It's so fascinating to watch, you know, it's interesting Joe Mazzola
00:58:46 Had a lot of great things to say about Tatum and Brown the fact that these guys can
00:58:51 Recognize when it's time to really get other guys involved and how they evolved as facilitators
00:58:57 But if you ask me man, the biggest difference maker is Porzingis
00:59:01 I mean he allows these guys to do that because not only is Porzingis gonna go out there and can easily score
00:59:06 Your first eight points of the night, but he can also spread the floor for you
00:59:11 He can also, you know be a threat in the paint. I mean
00:59:13 Constant double teams where you always gonna find an open guy
00:59:17 So if you just play smarter and you just have that natural
00:59:20 Approach and the way the New York Knicks were just really came out strong defensively trying to limit Tatum and Brown those open paths
00:59:27 They're always gonna be there and that's when you have like I said, you know
00:59:30 Those eight points to start the game from Porzingis and then later on, you know
00:59:34 Derek White was just got his office going early and often he finishes with 30
00:59:38 I mean, there's just so many other weapons that open up when Porzingis is out there
00:59:42 But of course Tatum and Brown you do have to credit them for having that
00:59:45 You know for evolving in that sense, right?
00:59:48 Cuz I feel like a year ago that wasn't always the case and obviously a year ago
00:59:51 Also, they didn't have someone like Porzingis. So it's all coming together for sure
00:59:55 He's a he really is a blast to cover and it's I was thinking in the locker room John
00:59:59 It's the opposite of kg
01:00:01 You always talk about kg how you'd wait all night long and he just come out and it didn't matter cuz when he did
01:00:06 you were like that was the best post game ever like
01:00:09 Make you wait and then you'd be like I could write 20 stories off of this like it was
01:00:16 Enthralling and you're like, I'm so glad I was here for it. It was just well John. It was just such a drag, you know
01:00:24 While you're doing that towards the end of his tenure in Boston, I'm trying to edit his that same post games
01:00:29 Post game conference. Oh, yeah, you would struggle Joe sweat man. I'm at the UI and we're up against, you know
01:00:36 We go national at a certain time
01:00:37 So it's like I got like two I got like five minutes to edit this thing down and put on air real quick
01:00:41 And I'm just like it's like bleep bleep bleep. It just riddles with swears
01:00:44 He's not that good but he's funny
01:00:50 He's honest. He'll get in depth on stuff and he's he's I don't know people don't care about this
01:00:56 But he's fast like he'll he'll just be like I talk now
01:00:59 Why not like right after the game and he'll just walk right over. It's a big thing is
01:01:02 Yeah, it's a much appreciated thing for the media. We love that and his big thing is I've never seen anyone do this
01:01:10 He wants a chair so you can just sit back and relax
01:01:12 Well, which is also great because you don't see a lot of poor Zingas interviews shooting down on him and that's what we have here
01:01:17 This is poor Zingas. This is this is what Bobby was talking about. This is poor Zingas on the brown stuff
01:01:22 yeah, no, it's
01:01:25 he got a little bit riled up, you know some some calls and
01:01:29 and
01:01:31 we knew that like everybody took just calm down a little bit like
01:01:35 it's always both teams probably feel the same way some call like
01:01:40 You rarely hear somebody says something good about the refs, you know, and so refs always get all the blame
01:01:47 But it's always for both teams feel like awesome calls should have went away. So I think I
01:01:51 Think we have to do a better job of maintaining our composure
01:01:55 JB's not you know
01:01:58 Doesn't happen too often to him happens probably more to me than than anybody else on this team, but we're working on it
01:02:04 this is a part where we can grow and
01:02:06 And
01:02:09 yeah, we you know maintain our composure coaches too and everybody stay calm and we just kept playing and and
01:02:16 Didn't really give them too much. Hope you know, they did get a little bit closer
01:02:20 But what we remain were able to maintain that lead and just finish out the game
01:02:24 So that's what the top of poor Zingas his head looks like
01:02:30 It's never been reached
01:02:34 Man he's great
01:02:42 Yeah, I thought he was the guy who tie everything together for this team
01:02:46 But he is doing it mean like at the tech King or just in general. No, no
01:02:51 No, just his production and the offense. I yeah, I'm shocked. He's the tech King too, but we haven't seen that recently
01:02:56 Maybe hope I'm glad he added that that was funny because yeah
01:03:00 How many Bud Lights do you think you could drink oh this guy's
01:03:06 You know me though I'm always getting in trouble
01:03:11 I
01:03:13 Kept that one on the side. It's more old-school
01:03:15 You used to walk into locker rooms and people would be drinking beer there, you know, and it was different for sure
01:03:20 Yeah, you don't usually see I've only seen it from clay Thompson to remind it after after a win
01:03:25 Why not? They got three days off here. It was pretty normal that the 2000, you know, the
01:03:29 2011 Red Sox ruined it for everybody
01:03:32 Yo Popeyes is undefeated. Yeah Popeyes is undefeated
01:03:38 Did you did you watch Atlanta by the way the show? Oh, I love this. Yes
01:03:43 Prominently featured in the series finale is pretty friggin funny when you're talking about being undefeated
01:03:49 The ending of that show is perfect. I thought it was perfect
01:03:53 now
01:03:56 That it was a dream or something, but whatever I love it because it could be you know, it's all dare
01:04:00 It's all in there. Listen. Yeah, exactly. Imagine that was the whole show. I love it. Leave it open in like that
01:04:05 I love it. I love it. Anyway, Derek white we weren't
01:04:07 We talked a little bit about this guy again super interesting how this night goes. I'm making the same points
01:04:14 I made with Sharad just to hear your take on it
01:04:15 But like it's crazy right that you have a game where Tatum was like a non-factor early
01:04:21 He still gets his numbers cuz he's Tatum and that's gonna happen, but he was a good night
01:04:25 Yeah, he had a good game wasn't a focal point
01:04:28 I thought Brown played an all-around good game until he gets ejected as well
01:04:33 Offense is humming on all cylinders, but the guys who were the engine behind it are poor Zingas and
01:04:38 And and white and then you know even holiday who I thought had an overall really good game and he needed he needed one
01:04:47 Because he hadn't been playing great but like white was clearly like the guy tonight
01:04:52 Yeah, I was talking to drew this morning about you know him not being involved as much and he said big reason for that
01:04:59 Is that teams always put their worst defender on white?
01:05:02 So they're looking for him throughout the flow of these games to take advantage of those guys
01:05:06 I can't remember off the top of my head who that was tonight, but
01:05:09 Subtle impact you didn't even feel like he had 30
01:05:14 But he's that aggressive in his opportunities and he's that efficient that he's able to rack up those numbers
01:05:19 I think you've talked a little bit about this to Joe Sway
01:05:21 Just how aggressive he is pulling up from three never really felt like that was part of his game. No hesitation
01:05:26 Yeah, if he sees it, he takes it. Yeah. Yeah
01:05:31 When he came over from San Antonio you didn't say this is a guy that pulls up from three and knocks him down off the dribble
01:05:36 But he's doing that now and you get a credit
01:05:39 Obviously we talked to his trainer over the summer Marcus Mason there Ben Sullivan
01:05:43 He got a lot of work in with last year when he was on the staff
01:05:45 His shot has come so far from that first year
01:05:48 He arrived and it's a dominant part of his game now beyond the finishing in the lane through contact
01:05:53 and then the defense speaks for itself, he just
01:05:58 Absolutely dominant on that end of the floor and this is after a bad game on Monday for him bounces right back
01:06:03 key to this win
01:06:05 We say it all the time Johnny's under 80s under 80s underrated
01:06:09 At this point you gotta start think I know he got left off that list preseason
01:06:14 But every week it feels like you're just like how high can he go?
01:06:17 that's the weird thing about it because like
01:06:20 You know
01:06:20 Even even year one when he wasn't playing great like that the the analytics still rated him didn't you know?
01:06:26 Did the eye test didn't look like a 40 guy because he wasn't shooting well
01:06:30 But you know if you use all the catch-all kind of analytics and that you know the top ten
01:06:35 You know, he was you know
01:06:37 a top 40 45 player in in the view, you know of like the analytics community and like they love him like
01:06:45 Consistently rated, you know as a top 30 top 40 players when he didn't make that I I thought the after last year
01:06:52 I thought the the notion of Derek know where he's ranked right now, by the way in one of those catch-alls the Raptor one there
01:06:58 Yeah, 10th. Yeah, as you know, I love like Andy Bailey
01:07:03 I love who does that who does that list that I send you guys from time to time does the top 10?
01:07:07 Catch all stats and he compiles them and he puts them all together and holidays 11th, by the way
01:07:12 Yeah, whites always in there. So again, he does so much but I thought the underrated stuff was gone after last year
01:07:19 The way that he played and then he goes 101 on that ESPN list, which was honestly I just seemed ridiculous
01:07:26 at this point
01:07:28 Considering all the love the Celtics have gotten over the years like Grant Williams made it like Derek white didn't I thought it was crazy
01:07:35 But like anything white is getting freaking MVP chance tonight from the crowd and was asked about it after the game
01:07:42 You know what? It was kind of like, you know getting that vibe at the garden
01:07:47 Or if you're aware of it calling Derek white underrated. It's kind of like the hottest trend in the NBA right now
01:07:51 So when you get to the line at the end of the game, they're chanting MVP for you
01:07:54 I'm wondering how that feels with someone's kind of always trying to stay humble. It's all career
01:07:58 Yeah
01:08:00 It's crazy. Um anytime
01:08:02 Guys we got the best fans in the league. So I'm always thankful and grateful grateful for them. I mean, I know
01:08:10 I'm not the MVP but
01:08:13 It's always cool to hear
01:08:17 Tell him Derek's cool, that's the humble smile right there, you know what else to man and I've said this before but the
01:08:24 The way he's making teams pay for leaving him wide open man
01:08:28 Like it's getting to the point where he's getting quicker
01:08:31 That release is getting quicker and there's some times where if it's in the flow of the offense and there's a guy in front of
01:08:35 Him, he's gonna let that thing fly. He's gonna score right in that person's eye
01:08:39 Like it's just it's a it's a confidence thing in my opinion
01:08:42 And it's also a rhythm thing once he's in rhythm
01:08:44 It's like look out and it's not one of those, you know
01:08:47 He's not one of those players or offensive players where he has to be from behind the arc or he's limited to certain spots
01:08:52 Around on the floor. No, he can get things going anywhere
01:08:54 And I think that's what has made him such a devastating score or third fourth option
01:09:00 Which however you look at it when you're looking at this team's offense because he's always open a lot of the times and again
01:09:05 He's that confidence continues to build and he continues to be a much more effective score in my opinion
01:09:10 It's only gonna keep getting better
01:09:12 And that's the difference is like White's evolution into this type of player
01:09:16 Which you said Bobby wasn't one that you thought you were getting
01:09:19 Which was you thought you were getting a really smart player who moved the ball who played good defense who made really smart decisions
01:09:25 And always the right read and was more of an opportunist on offense, you know
01:09:29 But not a very not a dead-eye shooter. Not a dynamic
01:09:33 He still is, but he takes every opportunity
01:09:35 But exactly like there's no hesitation if he sees an opportunity he goes aggressively
01:09:41 To the basket if he sees daylight
01:09:45 He'll pull up from three even if he's taking the last three shots four shots, and that's something that's like
01:09:50 Not easy to do on a team that has Tatum and Brown and Porzingis on it
01:09:55 Without them starting to think like who is this guy friggin Jordan pool, you know
01:09:59 Like, you know it but it doesn't feel that way when he does it you're like, I like that shot good shot D
01:10:04 White they're all good shots. And as long as they're falling at a reasonable clip
01:10:10 You you wanted to take him but like now just look across the board and I know holiday had his struggles a little bit
01:10:16 But I mean you really do have five starters that can create their own offense most
01:10:20 Most teams didn't have that's what I always thought the biggest problem with the Celtics was it was Tatum
01:10:25 It was Brown and it was no one else
01:10:27 That's why Brogdon was a godsend last year because it was finally a third guy who could do it
01:10:31 But like now it's like everybody can do it. It's fun. I mean it changes the whole dynamic
01:10:37 Remember Thibodeau before the game just why he's like
01:10:39 It play making everywhere
01:10:42 Yeah
01:10:45 He tried to pretend like he didn't realize is the fifth time he's playing the Celtics only you you know
01:10:49 It's the fifth time but that's the thing if people stop thinking the term play making means
01:10:53 Passing the ball and play making just means the best play made available to you at any given time when they're all play making
01:11:02 It's a friggin crazy lineup, you know
01:11:04 Like and I thought tonight Bobby for the first three quarters
01:11:07 it's all it's almost as good as the offense has looked all year the way they were playing and
01:11:12 That's without Tatum or Brown going off, right?
01:11:15 I mean, it's just a I loved what they were doing. I loved what they were doing
01:11:21 I want to pull up the numbers now
01:11:22 I don't know if they're updated but at least coming into tonight plus
01:11:25 27 and a half with that group out there the D. I Bobby I put stats on the screen in your behalf. I did it
01:11:33 I did I showed I showed the I showed the plot. I showed the net rating
01:11:37 Yeah, they're they're driving up some massive leads with that group out there and bench has been good bench continues to be good
01:11:44 Not saying they're anything amazing or spectacular, but he ain't good minutes from Hauser
01:11:50 I feel like Pritchard's minutes are good. Even if he's not hitting shots and
01:11:54 Cornet, I know everyone's gonna complain about him, but he survives out there
01:12:00 To see him switch a little bit too. So now you just throwing him in there Bobby. Yeah
01:12:07 Hey, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it tonight. I'm gonna skip it. Yes, it is
01:12:13 He's surviving out there. He's giving them something he's
01:12:17 Yeah
01:12:26 Four points take it as wild. Yeah, I'm not gonna do it. I'm just gonna he's surviving. We got it
01:12:34 It's like my what my wife and I can fight again about who you know
01:12:37 Who did the dishes more times today or I can just do the dishes, you know, like
01:12:40 Yeah, let's uh, let's take our weekend off here yeah, all right last night John, huh
01:12:52 No, you know, we did enjoy that shit. Come on
01:12:56 That is not what he's room for I'll say this on a level I don't dislike the team
01:13:02 I feel bad for some of the guys on it
01:13:05 So like seeing them like do well and get excited great
01:13:08 Like actually like it was hard to not feel good for them in the first half putting up points and like, you know
01:13:15 Being functional. It's it's sad
01:13:17 Covering them and listening to them. It's sad going down there and like these poor dudes, man
01:13:22 The locker rooms after games or funerals like it's just sad
01:13:26 so like nobody's wishing ill will upon the team itself, but
01:13:31 Just lose the games man. Like come on like don't do this
01:13:36 Like don't do this. So I don't know it is what it is
01:13:41 Yeah, they're clearly not tanking. They're just that bad
01:13:44 Yeah, I mean that's the thing is it is that bad, but I mean, you know
01:13:50 Freaking Trubisky, you know, it is what it is. It's not what I wanted to see
01:13:55 What they give me a zappy Jersey
01:13:57 Yeah, if you're if you're this close to the tip, you know to rock bottom just stay there
01:14:04 You know, yeah, the Jets the Jets winning in the last week of a season or whatever it is
01:14:09 I mean you've seen teams do it the Texans did it in
01:14:12 Romeo's last thing and they cost themselves a pick like the Jets cost themselves Trevor Lawrence and ended up with Zach Wilson for being
01:14:19 You know oddly competent at the end of the year one year. So like I do have I don't don't do that
01:14:25 I do have one thought because I've been a bill get bill out of here guy
01:14:31 but I do wonder if he can
01:14:34 Generate a little momentum in the next year save himself
01:14:37 Is that a good thing for them because obviously the next coach isn't a sure thing after him
01:14:41 Yeah, Taylor Taylor and I talked about this on the show a little bit. I'm torn on it. I really am we talked about it
01:14:48 I think what people people are so mad at the team bill put together that they are
01:14:53 You know just like get him out get him out get him out
01:14:56 But it's like you're really not gonna get another coach like that
01:14:59 You know, even if you think like, you know, he's lost a little of his fastball, you know it to bill
01:15:06 It's less about like can he still do it?
01:15:09 It's like is he willing to change in the ways he needs to change which is like how how we evaluate talent allowing other people
01:15:17 You know to maybe have more say on the offensive side of things that are outside of his comfort zone
01:15:22 You know recognizing what it takes the type of offensive personnel that you need to be competitive in this league
01:15:29 welcoming in outside assistants or outside voices that might challenge his perspective a little bit instead of everybody being somebody who you know has been
01:15:37 suckling at the Belichick teat for their entire lives and they've only learned
01:15:41 one way from one person like those things make it really hard because they're just so
01:15:47 you know kind of
01:15:49 You know, it's just everything is just so institutional there at this point like if the the whole
01:15:55 process has to change but
01:15:58 Again, Belichick's Belichick and he's still you know
01:16:02 coaching up the defense to basically blank teams week after week after week and you know
01:16:08 It's it's not I'll put it this way it's not a sure thing
01:16:14 It just seems likely if Kraft goes to Bill and he's like
01:16:18 Can I take a little off your plate and Bill's like no and if the answer is no
01:16:22 I think he just goes and that's it. I think that's the right move
01:16:25 And so that's what it comes down to is like Bill. I don't want you to do all of it anymore
01:16:29 I just want you to do some of it. Is that okay?
01:16:31 So we'll see but anyway
01:16:34 Last one I got for you. It's a yes or no. Yeah, you excited for the NBA Cup final?
01:16:41 No, I wasn't really ever excited it for any of it but not like in a grumpy sort of way
01:16:46 like meaning like I
01:16:49 Think they're excited
01:16:51 Should be a good game and like the Halliburton stuff is fun to kind of watch
01:16:56 There too, but like
01:17:00 Take it or leave it
01:17:02 I still think the players the players number one crowning desire was
01:17:07 Vegas more than it was winning a tie. They just wanted to go hang out in Vegas
01:17:11 Yeah bad in the half a million, you know, those are both good reasons
01:17:15 I'll say but again slam dunk success for generating buzz and interest and it's fun. And you know what?
01:17:21 What it allows above all else what it allows the fans to do a little bit is to freak out
01:17:26 And overreact like games at this point in the year that they would never react
01:17:32 The Bucs lose a game to the Pacers in in December. Ah, you lost a game to the patient in December
01:17:37 But you lost the inserts season tournament semi-finals to the Pacers. Oh, yeah, we did it on Monday John you weren't there
01:17:45 Yeah, so like it's a disappointment of like step up losers. And so like, you know, it definitely
01:17:52 Kind of manufacture something that you couldn't get at this point in the season. So a great way brilliant
01:17:59 Might might take on the in-season tournament before the season was up was similar to the World Baseball Classic like seems dumb
01:18:06 but then you watch it and everybody gets into it and like it's an awesome time and
01:18:10 Like the players are really into it and this and that and you know
01:18:14 And and so it goes so like people will hate the idea of it think it's dumb and then they'll probably be like that wasn't
01:18:19 So bad, that was kind of cool. And I think that that's what you got out of it. Like, okay. Okay, that wasn't bad
01:18:25 I enjoyed it. I liked it
01:18:28 Despite it being kind of weird and awkward in the courts and like wait a second
01:18:32 like so they just play that and people not even understanding the rules for the most part of it people still asking about is like
01:18:37 They just don't quite get it. But at the end it generated buzz particularly like that last
01:18:42 that last
01:18:44 elimination game
01:18:46 Think that's those are the nights that the NBA's is really aiming for because like you said John it's cool
01:18:52 I mean
01:18:53 It's not cool until your team's in it right until your team advances and they have an opportunity to knock somebody out because that's always
01:18:59 gonna bring obviously that competitiveness from teams, but also fans are gonna
01:19:03 gonna get into it because of you know, it's just something to
01:19:07 You know flex about you know
01:19:10 Oh and we knocked your team out and we're not even a real playoff team like those are the type of teams
01:19:14 I feel like you're gonna benefit most from this and I feel like you know
01:19:16 moving forward if they continue with this thing that's always gonna be the
01:19:21 annual type of
01:19:23 Attitude towards it right? It's stupid is dumb and then soon as your team's in is oh, well, let's see my go to Vegas
01:19:28 Let's go, you know, I like this fans. They're loving this right now
01:19:31 you know for LeBron to go out there have a chance to a to bring home some hardwood before and
01:19:35 Team everybody knows about in the Lakers and the team people you're getting familiar with an indie kind of gone better than that
01:19:42 When we were when I was playing Little League, we had a you know in addition to our like, you know World Series
01:19:48 You know the title that you would try to get to we've had a city series in Newton
01:19:52 Which was all of the Newton Little Leagues would play each other in a tournament. It was fun because
01:19:57 Newton's a big enough town where we
01:20:00 You have like yeah, but it before it would be four different brackets and we would play, you know, like a semi-final, you know
01:20:07 And that was always fun in the middle of the year
01:20:10 You get your juices up for that like mid tournament and then you're playing for the you know
01:20:14 Then you're playing for the cup at the end. So, you know, this was fun
01:20:18 I always said like I think an international tournament would be really cool. Like we talked about this on the show
01:20:23 I'd love to see it be like, you know, like Champions League, you know sort of thing or like that like different groups and you'd like
01:20:31 Screw it. Let's go play, you know Celtics versus Real Madrid, you know, like, you know, it's gonna be dominated by NBA teams
01:20:37 But it'd be kind of cool. I feel like that's the that's the overall goal
01:20:40 I mean, that's something that this is what Adam Silver was talking about originally
01:20:45 Before the NBA final started so I felt like that's sort of they got the ball rolling there and if anything man
01:20:49 For these guys to come over here to Vegas, especially if that's like sort of the plan
01:20:53 I could certainly see that happening, right if if you advance or start around you guys are going to us and you know
01:21:00 You play the Celtics the Lakers or whoever's there waiting for you. That'd be yeah
01:21:03 What you do is you take like two breaks during the season, you know, we're right
01:21:06 You got to stop
01:21:08 International play or something like that and you'd pause for like a week here and a week there and then you would do the finals
01:21:13 I think that would be kind of fun. But anyway
01:21:15 That would be fun. Anyway, we're gonna wrap we're taking the weekend off
01:21:19 Obviously any breaking news you can come to CLNS and we'll handle it. But you know, next game is on Tuesday
01:21:26 No Patriots. Enjoy your weekend. Everybody have a stress-free sports free weekend. It's not the worst thing in the world any Bruins
01:21:34 Maybe I'll watch the burns. Yeah, go ahead if you want to whatever Evan Evan was here today
01:21:39 So what up to him who was our or Maranofsky asking? Yeah, I forgot we have like five Evans. Yeah
01:21:44 We had yeah, that's right. I remember you put a tweet out being like, oh, we're sure on Evans
01:21:50 So if you guys want to apply we are we only have two Evans now Valenti and uh in Maranofsky
01:21:54 Well, we are Evans only Evans only that they have to they can apply it so we could use a few Evans. Yeah
01:22:00 For sure. Anyway, we're gonna wrap it. Thanks a lot guys. We'll talk to you on Tuesday. Take care

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