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Brian Robb and Michael Pina of the Ringer assess the Celtics heading into training camp. Where does the team stand in the East and what to make about all the whispers surrounding Malcolm Brogdon's health and mindset after his trade fell through in June. The guys also take a look at the Damian Lillard trade situation and the domino effect on the Celtics.  This episode of the Winning Plays Podcast is brought to you by Fanduel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5  and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Now is the best time to join FanDuel! The app is easy to use and you can be on everything from spreads to player props and more! So, visit FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season with an offer you won’t wanna miss.  21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter Download the Odds-R App! They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket. I've been absolutely loving the experience, and I think you will too. Especially since Pats Interference listeners get a 30-day free trial! Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/CELTICS

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00:00 So, you know, didn't play a ton of minutes last season, started zero games.

00:05 I think he averaged 25 or 26 minutes a game and obviously one sixth man of the year.

00:11 But I think the health, his health and his physical condition is a question mark.

00:18 In addition to just like where he's at as someone who's willing to sacrifice, because

00:24 I'm sure he wants to play more.

00:27 I'm sure he wants a bigger role.

00:30 No one really wants to come off the bench and to.

00:36 Kind of have those preconditions and have that mindset, mindset for a team that

00:42 by all accounts tried to trade you is difficult, and it would be really interesting

00:48 to see how he can swallow his pride or if he's willing to do so.

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00:56 Winning Plays back yet again as we inch closer to Celtics training camp just over one week away.

01:04 And there's no better person to take the temperature on this team right now than

01:09 Michael Pina of The Ringer, formerly of the Big Three and Winning Plays podcast.

01:14 But we'd love to get him back on here for bi-yearly appearances whenever we can grab.

01:19 Mike, it's great to see your face.

01:21 Also rocking the Spurs hat today.

01:22 Are you thinking about Wemby already?

01:25 What's what's how we feel in there?

01:26 Um, you know, Wemby, Kelden Johnson, Devin Vassell, Big G Pop.

01:34 You know, just I'm in a Spurs mood for sure.

01:38 A lot of momentum going down in San Antonio.

01:40 How are you doing, man? Great to see you.

01:42 Good. I'm ready.

01:44 Ready for some hoops.

01:45 Had a nice little breather here as we all did.

01:48 Got some nice people World Cup in.

01:50 Got to see the D.A.O.

01:51 Tice show, and now we're ready for the the main event here.

01:55 But I got to say, I was thinking about you when Daniel Tice was just ripping through

01:59 the world, the globe, destroying the USA's front line.

02:05 You know, so that's destroying everyone's front line.

02:08 Yeah. Just, you know, it's classic Tice.

02:11 Always, always undervalued.

02:13 But we want to get you back on here, Mike.

02:15 We talked we had a Richard on a couple of weeks ago, but three of us talked,

02:21 you know, back in June after the smart deal.

02:22 But we haven't spoken to you since this full offseason has gone on here

02:26 since Grant obviously has departed.

02:28 Some minor moves made by the Seas here, but

02:31 obviously the Porzingis foot situation going into camp,

02:34 a lot of other storylines hitting into Celtics training camp here.

02:37 What's your temperature right now on this team as we begin, obviously, a pivotal year?

02:42 Yeah, I think that

02:45 through a combination of their roster and

02:50 their pedigree and their talent and just kind of how muddy

02:54 the rest of the Eastern Conference is, where you have a lot of big players

02:58 on the other contending teams, you know, Giannis feels a little disgruntled.

03:04 There's a lot of pressure in Milwaukee.

03:07 The Sixers are kind of a mess.

03:09 No one really knows what the Miami Heat are going to look like.

03:11 All wrapped up together, I just think that the Celtics are the clear

03:16 favorite to come out of the East or at least be the best team

03:20 in the Eastern Conference this season.

03:22 And I don't say that with a ton of confidence, but

03:24 I think that their ceiling is the highest.

03:30 I think they have a pretty high floor, too.

03:32 And I like the roster.

03:36 I like the overall.

03:38 I like the changes that were made.

03:39 I think Malcolm Brogdon is a really interesting variable.

03:45 Porzingis' foot, really interesting variable.

03:48 So health is going to be a question mark.

03:51 Interesting is one way to put it.

03:53 Yeah.

03:54 And then you have I mean, I don't really know.

03:58 I have a feeling about what the starting five will be

04:02 and what the closing lineups will look like, but

04:05 there aren't that many huge questions here either, which is really good

04:11 when you're a really you're a team that's aspiring to win the NBA championship.

04:14 So I think that they can have a top five offense, top five defense,

04:18 and they're one of the best teams in the NBA again.

04:21 All right, well, let's talk about two things here, then.

04:25 Well, first, you brought it up, so I think it's given the scuttlebutt

04:28 this week, Malcolm Brogdon, which honestly, this is kind of.

04:32 You know, it took a break for a couple months, but this obviously.

04:36 He was not happy, I think, in the aftermath, the initial deal

04:39 not going through the Clippers, and now it's just been just been again.

04:44 I don't think anything is necessarily, you know, changed.

04:46 He obviously hasn't spoken publicly in the last month,

04:49 but there's a situation where him both like.

04:52 His happiness factor and the injury situation of his elbow,

04:55 which I think was talked about a little bit on NBA Today yesterday, like

04:59 how I've heard a variety of things in this front.

05:02 How do you kind of see the situation playing out with him of being like

05:05 bring it back?

05:07 Let's see what it looks like with this group in a similar role.

05:09 Do you expect?

05:11 You know him to be around for a full season here?

05:14 Like what's what's your kind of read?

05:16 Or is this kind of a wait and see situation in your eyes?

05:19 I mean, it should be up to him, right?

05:22 Like, um, assuming he's healthy,

05:26 you know, assuming the what was it like an elbow forearm?

05:32 I can't remember injury that he suffered.

05:34 And then also he's got lower body, lower body

05:38 question marks that have kind of

05:41 prevailed throughout his entire career from when he was drafted.

05:44 So, you know, didn't play a ton of minutes last season.

05:49 Started zero games.

05:50 I think he averaged 25 or 26 minutes a game

05:53 and obviously one sixth man of the year. But

05:56 I think the health, his health and his physical condition

06:02 is a is a question mark in addition to just like where he's at.

06:07 As someone who's willing to sacrifice, because

06:10 I'm sure he wants to play more.

06:13 I'm sure he wants a bigger role.

06:16 No one really wants to come off the bench and to.

06:21 Kind of have those preconditions

06:24 and have that mindset mindset for a team that

06:27 by all accounts tried to trade you is difficult.

06:31 And it would be really interesting to see how he can swallow his pride

06:35 or if he's willing to do so and kind of repeat

06:39 the role that he had last year.

06:43 I would think that it would be a little expanded now with Marcus gone

06:47 and maybe it'll at least kind of shift a little bit

06:51 in terms of how much the ball is in his hands when he's on the court.

06:54 But he's really important.

06:58 I think he's overlooked in terms of how important he is.

07:03 And yeah, like I you can still play a ton of really awesome lineups with him in it.

07:11 And if he I guess like if the three point shooting is still

07:15 what it was last year, then you're in great shape.

07:18 But, you know, if it falters a little bit, that'll be interesting.

07:21 But generally speaking, like.

07:25 You have to feel a little.

07:28 I guess I don't really know how I feel about him.

07:32 I was going to say optimistic, but I don't know.

07:34 A lot of question marks with him right now.

07:37 And they they kind of need him.

07:39 So I don't really know what you would trade him for right now.

07:41 Like I was just thinking before we started recording about.

07:45 Like, you know, Buddy Healds on the trade block now, and it's like,

07:50 oh, that'd be I couldn't like imagine that type of trade happening, but like

07:55 thinking because of just like the teams involved and

08:00 sending Malcolm Brogdon back to Indiana doesn't really make a lot of sense.

08:02 Yeah. But.

08:06 He is an interesting trade ship, but like, why would you want to move off

08:10 of someone at that age, at that point in their career

08:13 who has a clear role on your team and you're trying to win the title?

08:17 I just it's difficult for me to kind of think of a possible

08:21 trade partner there, unless you have someone in mind.

08:28 Yeah, I mean, I don't think to your point on that, like you don't.

08:32 In my mind, if they ever move, exactly.

08:35 You need to get a big upgrade from a clear upgrade.

08:37 And you're going to have to package like picks to do that with his contract.

08:41 And those type of guys, I pray, are that you're interested in

08:44 aren't available right now.

08:46 And so that might be a situation where it's a down the line period.

08:50 But I do actually think that they want to, you know,

08:55 you want to see what it looks like with this revamped group.

08:58 I do have questions.

09:00 I want to get your take on like, is he a lock for a closing five on this team?

09:03 Like I never thought like for as good as he was last year in the regular season

09:07 and for as steady as he was captain that second year,

09:10 I thought the fit with him with in the closing five, whether it was,

09:16 you know, obviously next to smart was time, but it was tough last year.

09:18 So I wonder what that looks like again next to Derek here

09:21 or whether that's something where they go too big to close a lot of these games.

09:25 And I'm curious to see how that kind of plays itself out.

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10:03 You would think that you have four.

10:12 Guys who are going to be closing a majority of the games when they're healthy.

10:16 So KP Tatum, Jalen and Derek White, right?

10:19 Those are the four.

10:21 I mean, honestly, yeah, it could be by committee for sure.

10:26 You know, I'm really high on the season that Peyton Pritchard can have.

10:30 I'm pretty high on the season that Sam Houser can have.

10:34 I don't know if he's going to be closing it out to attending games,

10:36 but he's an option.

10:38 You know, you have Al Horford.

10:42 Al Horford's pretty good.

10:43 You have Rob Williams.

10:45 You have like a lot of.

10:47 I know that it'll be really interesting to see how Joe Mazzuola

10:50 kind of evaluates his first year as a head coach and what worked, what didn't work.

10:55 Is he going to play bigger lineups now that he has a little bit more skill

11:00 on the court and a little bit more spacing and

11:03 KP is kind of a different type of big, really unique and singular.

11:09 So I think that.

11:11 KP kind of gives you more options on what type of bigs

11:16 you can play and what type of lineups you can play.

11:18 So I wouldn't be shocked at all if they close big more often than not

11:22 because they have a lot of skill on the court.

11:25 And I don't know how many minutes or how many games Al Horford's

11:28 going to play in the regular season, though.

11:30 And I don't know how healthy Rob's going to be throughout the regular season.

11:33 Like, I feel like Rob Williams ceiling is defensive player of the year

11:37 and his floor is.

11:39 Irrelevance, right?

11:41 So.

11:42 A lot of there's a questions from that perspective,

11:46 but then again, like Malcolm Brogdon totally could close

11:49 a ton of games and be awesome, and they could go small with Tatum at the four

11:54 and still be really formidable.

11:57 I think it also just it'll depend on kind of the rhythms of the game

12:01 and who they're playing, I feel like.

12:03 Yeah, it's really, though, of a lot of flexibility

12:06 in that front based on the opponent, so that is like going to camp.

12:10 I feel, you know, if Porzingis is like the top star in terms of his fit

12:15 with this, you know, with this with Tatum and Brown

12:17 and how that looks, I'll look in the court.

12:19 I think Brogdon is just a close second just for everything

12:22 you kind of laid out there of both health stuff, mindset stuff.

12:26 And then again, yeah, thing thing, how those groups kind of fit together here.

12:30 But looking I mean, looking around the ECU and you brought it up earlier, Mike,

12:34 like there are question marks everywhere.

12:37 Like, what's your.

12:39 Breed on how this like leather stuff shakes out,

12:43 do you think this is going to drag on to the year?

12:45 Do you think this gets done with Miami early on or when we're hearing whispers

12:49 of wild cards like Toronto or Chicago, like maybe putting in bids?

12:54 But like are any of those actually like realistic in your eyes?

12:58 Or is that just, you know, posturing that by Portland, maybe trying to

13:03 up the price for Miami?

13:05 I haven't thought too hard about Chicago.

13:08 I don't really know exactly what their draft.

13:11 I don't think it's great.

13:12 I think we trade a bunch of stuff for Boosh, right?

13:13 So it's like, right.

13:14 But I'm pretty sure that and I hope I'm not wrong

13:18 going off the top of my head that one of their protected picks that's extended,

13:22 you know, it rolls over through like the next few years.

13:25 It belongs to Portland.

13:28 So I feel like if you were to have a trade there

13:32 that they would open up the ability, their ability to trade future picks down the line.

13:38 So if that were possible, then Chicago suddenly becomes

13:41 like a little interesting to me just because they are going nowhere.

13:48 The Alonzo ball thing screwed them.

13:52 And, you know, they just signed Vooch to a long term deal like 60 mil.

13:57 They don't seem to I mean, we'll see what happens with DeRozan.

14:02 They have not extended him, but they have Levine under contract for a little.

14:06 His max for a couple of few more seasons.

14:09 So Chicago's interesting.

14:13 You know, I wrote at the beginning of the summer about

14:17 trading Scottie Barnes for Damian Lillard.

14:20 That's just like not going to happen.

14:21 I don't feel like maybe it will.

14:24 That would be really fun, I think.

14:26 So I'm always kind of, you know, thinking about Toronto

14:29 because they're another team that, you know, had a terrible offseason,

14:32 lost their starting point guard.

14:35 Dennis Schroeder destroyed Team USA in FIBA,

14:38 but I don't think he's like a starting caliber point guard

14:41 for a team that wants to do anything.

14:44 So they're kind of in this weird crossroads stage with Siakam on an expiring.

14:50 And OG Inanobi also, you know, he has a player option

14:54 in the following season. He can be expiring.

14:56 So Toronto should be looked at as a player here.

15:01 And then, of course, the Miami Heat, like

15:04 I don't know what

15:06 their best offer has been.

15:08 Obviously, it's not the best offer that they can offer.

15:11 But even if they get to that place where they're willing to give up

15:15 Kiro Jovic, the kid they just drafted,

15:20 and then like they can get however many.

15:23 I think they can max out at three firsts if they do some stuff

15:27 and remove some protections.

15:30 So like, I don't think they've offered that.

15:33 Even if they do, like,

15:36 can you get something better than that for Lillard?

15:39 Who knows?

15:41 Miami better do this deal, honestly.

15:45 If they don't, I think that they will.

15:48 I thought that they were going to fall off last year.

15:50 And it looked that way.

15:52 It looked to be that way for much of the season until obviously

15:55 in the playoffs, they got red hot.

15:58 And Jimmy was amazing.

16:00 But like, you know, losing Gabe Vincent, losing Max Drews,

16:04 those were two starters, huge, huge roles, huge contributions

16:09 throughout the postseason, including in the

16:13 in the conference finals against the Celtics.

16:15 So, yeah, Dame is a really huge wild card for this entire season.

16:21 And I think that, you know, teams like the Celtics and the Sixers

16:28 will breathe a huge sigh of relief if he goes to Chicago or.

16:34 We're talking about Miami.

16:36 Yeah, I mean, what do you think?

16:39 Like where, where, where, where, where?

16:42 If you're if you're the owner of the Celtics, like what team

16:45 would you not want them to go to?

16:47 What would fear you?

16:48 What would scare you the most?

16:49 Miami. Like, you know what?

16:51 That's that's a clear cut.

16:51 I mean, even like I guess Philly would be kind of scary.

16:54 But obviously that doesn't look like it's like they're not going to.

16:57 They're not going to trade Maxi, which it doesn't sound like they're doing.

16:59 Like that's not happening.

17:01 And yeah, I think that's like easily Chicago's fine.

17:06 Like, yeah, Chicago's a more fun team of lawyers there, but they're not

17:08 they're not going to entertain with Toronto like it's more fun team,

17:10 but also not doing anything.

17:12 So, yeah, I think that's that's a clear cut where you have if you're.

17:16 If you're with Grosbeck, but and then I know you have to go here,

17:21 but I'll wrap up on this like.

17:23 With the hard situation in Philly, like what?

17:26 How do you expect that chess game to be played?

17:29 And you're obviously very familiar with both your parties as a

17:32 a red 94 writer of way back in the day.

17:36 But what's oh yeah, what's your read on this?

17:39 And I feel like.

17:42 I'll just say this is going to blink.

17:44 We'll go out on this.

17:46 I'm writing a column right now about the New York Knicks

17:50 and the New York Knicks should feel pretty optimistic about their chance

17:56 of getting an MVP caliber player within the next 12 months.

18:01 That's what I'll that's what I'll go from Philadelphia.

18:03 You said it.

18:07 All right.

18:10 That's a good tease.

18:10 We look for that from Mike on the ringer.com

18:14 as long as a ton of other stuff for you.

18:16 You have a training campaign yet or what is that?

18:18 And is that in the TBA?

18:20 Not yet. Not yet.

18:25 We'll see.

18:28 We'll see something could be in the works.

18:30 We'll see.

18:31 All right. Stay tuned for that.

18:34 Make sure you're on like on Twitter at Michael V.

18:37 Pina and all this great stuff on the ringer as well.

18:40 And we'll be back with you guys next week

18:43 as we get ready for training camps coming just days away.

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