"Mein in dono press release Se Ittafaq Nahi Karta," Hasan Ayub's analysis
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00:00 You have covered the Supreme Court for a long time.
00:02 And the politics of the Bar Councils.
00:05 When you saw these two press releases, what was your first reaction on this?
00:09 First, Mr. Ahsan Bhone, he was kind enough,
00:12 he sent me a press release 20 minutes before the release.
00:16 Did he frame you? Did he get you drafted?
00:18 No, he didn't get me drafted.
00:20 But the thing is, I don't agree with his entire press release.
00:24 Both, whether it's the Pakistan Bar Council or the Supreme Court Bar Association.
00:28 But one thing he said in it,
00:30 that in terms of the level playing field,
00:32 you have to give an impression in terms of the elections,
00:35 that the elections are going to be clean and transparent.
00:37 Now, the pre-poll rigging, or you can be affected by the administration,
00:42 we discussed the administration issue yesterday,
00:45 that in terms of Islamabad, the district returning officers who have been made,
00:49 today, Mr. Chima was removed from there on this matter.
00:54 He gave the order to remove him from office.
00:57 He said that he was in the previous cabinet and his continuation was going on from there.
01:02 Fair enough. He is going to listen.
01:04 Anyway, he realised today.
01:06 But the voices that we have been raising for a long time,
01:08 and today it's been almost a month,
01:10 we are raising our voices.
01:12 On that voice, Mr. Sikandar Sultan Raja is completely silent.
01:16 And your caretaker, Prime Minister, Mr. Anwar ul Haq Kakar,
01:20 you see him, that he is doing a press conference on the Pinjra Bridge.
01:26 Your job is not to build the Pinjra Bridge.
01:28 Sometimes you go to the Nusrat, to address the students.
01:34 He has gone to Quetta.
01:35 That is not his job.
01:36 Today you have gone to Quetta.
01:37 This is not your job either.
01:38 Your job is that the Deputy Commissioner of Islamabad,
01:42 or the Inspector General of Police of Islamabad,
01:44 you don't have to change them.
01:45 They are directly under his control.
01:47 When such concerns were raised, questions were raised,
01:50 Mr. Kakar gave the answer to your concerns.
01:52 Answer him, then I will also answer.
01:54 Okay, listen.
01:56 If we had not held the elections,
01:58 we would have held the elections,
02:00 and the election commission in Pakistan would have conducted it.
02:03 These things are going on here from the 70s.
02:08 I don't give much importance to this.
02:10 You know that he gets angry.
02:14 He can get angry, he can do it a hundred times.
02:16 Our job is to rectify the criticism.
02:19 I have no hatred for Muslim Iqnawaz.
02:23 The whole world knows that.
02:24 If I and Muslim Iqnawaz's appointees are present in Islamabad,
02:28 because the federal government was theirs,
02:30 then they should not be present.
02:31 Because there should be a personal incident,
02:34 and our establishment and judiciary have a resolve
02:37 to ensure that there is a clean, transparent and non-binary election in the country.
02:40 So, there will not be transparency on the election polling day,
02:44 you have to see it before that.
02:46 And Mr. Chaudhary, as he was saying yesterday,
02:49 meet Mr. Chaudhary and ask him what his point of view is on this.
02:52 I will ask Mr. Chaudhary.
02:54 And you have the same feelings about PTI, PMLN,
02:58 most of the times you say the same thing.
03:01 Dear viewers, the question is,
03:04 Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain,
03:05 today we have received information about a very unfortunate incident from our Sialkot.
03:10 Now, obviously, the police have a different point of view on it.
03:14 That, Mr. Umar Dar, there is a criminal,
03:19 and they are in need of help, so we go to catch them,
03:22 and they hide behind the scenes.
03:24 So, this concern, this question, which you have raised,
03:28 how should it be addressed?
03:30 Look, all this, all this,
03:35 you are right,
03:38 and even Hassan Ayub has said something completely fair,
03:41 which we have to accept,
03:42 that your work is to have a free and impartial election.
03:46 Oh, brother, draw a line somewhere,
03:50 draw a line,
03:51 that this will happen and this will not happen.
03:53 I will work on the law, the law of the country,
03:58 the law of the country,
04:00 and I will not do it in a different way.
04:02 You are absolutely right.
04:03 It will be straight.
04:04 Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain,
04:05 the viewers, when in our program,
04:08 Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain gets along with Hassan Ayub,
04:11 and Mr. Hassan Ayub gets along with Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain,
04:13 then it becomes very difficult for me to answer.
04:16 But the question that comes here, Hassan,
04:18 that Mr. Ahad Cheema…
04:20 Are you with the oppressors?
04:21 Mr. Ahad Cheema…
04:22 No, no, I am not with the oppressors at all.
04:23 Mr. Ahad Cheema, I have a question,
04:25 that Mr. Ahad Cheema,
04:28 the election commission has said that
04:30 he can have an impact on the elections.
04:33 Now, the elections have come to a head,
04:37 so how many months have passed in the current government?
04:41 Obviously, he was a part of the cabinet.
04:43 He was with Mr. Shabba Sharif in Punjab,
04:46 and then obviously he was with him in a few cases.
04:49 It's been five months now.
04:50 Now he has been released.
04:52 So, Mr. Ahad Cheema wouldn't have been here himself,
04:55 if the next government had come,
04:56 the government of the oppressed would have come,
04:58 there would have been a place for him.
04:59 He could have stepped down.
05:00 I had already mentioned about Ahad Cheema,
05:02 that he had not fought for any political,
05:04 that is, for any Muslim Nawaz,
05:06 for the election, for the ticket.
05:07 But even then,
05:08 how much impact will Ahad Cheema have?
05:11 Will Ahad Cheema have a greater impact,
05:13 or will your administration have a greater impact?
05:17 Can I give you the news?
05:18 Yes, please.
05:19 The news is that,
05:20 Mr. Ahad Cheema has a relative,
05:22 he was a member of Finance,
05:24 he wanted to do an investigation there,
05:27 his posting was transferred from there,
05:30 Mr. Finance,
05:31 I will tell you in a few words,
05:34 he was transferred to some other place,
05:37 so Mr. Ahad Cheema,
05:38 he was a part of this.
05:41 Now, the person with whom he was getting involved,
05:45 he was very close to the election commissioner.
05:47 He was involved in a race?
05:48 He was close to him.
05:49 Okay.
05:50 So, that is how the matter was made.
05:51 The story was made on a different level,
05:53 but in Pakistan,
05:54 this is how the matter is.
05:55 So, this means that here…
05:56 Friendship, friendship is maintained.
05:57 No, no, no, no, no,
05:58 what you are saying,
05:59 it means that the people who are present here,
06:01 is this also a form of friendship?
06:03 This is what it looks like.
06:04 Is this a form of friendship?
06:05 This is a form of friendship.
06:06 You can imagine,
06:07 the election commission has now seen that
06:09 people have been raising questions on this from the first day.
06:12 Look, District Returning Officer of Islamabad,
06:16 DRO,
06:17 and Inspector General Police of Islamabad,
06:20 you see,
06:21 who has to give security?
06:22 Police.
06:23 Who does the police depend on?
06:24 IG.
06:25 Who is the IG's appointee?
06:26 Muslim Ali Nawaz,
06:27 Mr. Rana Sanawal.
06:29 District Returning Officer,
06:30 will he be under all the actions?
06:33 All the things,
06:34 the entire election,
06:35 whatever the amla is,
06:36 whether it is the presiding officer,
06:38 whether it is the other amla,
06:39 will all be there?
06:40 Have you ever asked your boss,
06:42 our former,
06:43 No, Khawar sir.
06:44 The one who is a migrant,
06:45 Mr. Bhukti,
06:46 and Mr. Chaudhary Gulam,
06:47 also praise him a lot.
06:48 This IG sir,
06:49 and these two gentlemen,
06:50 they used to come under him.
06:52 His minister should have taken action.
06:54 Why didn't he take it?
06:55 Have you ever asked Mr. Bhukti?
06:57 I had asked Mr. Bhukti.
06:58 What did he say?
06:59 He said that this matter is relating to the Prime Minister.
07:01 He took out his ball from his hand
07:03 and sent it to the Prime Minister.
07:05 That's why I am asking,
07:06 Mr. Kakkar, tell me.
07:07 Khawar sir.
07:08 What is the minister waiting for?