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00:00 He hasn't evolved his game enough when he's not scoring to really help them and to be
00:05 a valued player.
00:07 And you know, part of it too, and I've been asked this a lot is, and I mentioned this
00:12 at the beginning of the year as well, I think a lot of it last year was playing with Martian
00:15 and Bergeron too, and they brought the best in him.
00:18 And I think you're seeing now without them that he can't, he can't put up the same kind
00:23 of numbers and he can't play the same way that he did last year when he had them.
00:26 Welcome to another edition of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
00:34 As always, I'm your host, Joe Hagerty.
00:35 You can find my work at joehagerty.substack.com.
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01:04 what happened there.
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01:10 That's what it's all about.
01:12 With me today is a friend and colleague, Evan Maronofsky from the New England Hockey Journal.
01:17 We're going to engage in a little Boston Bruins mailbag, Pucks with Hags mailbag.
01:21 Ooh, I like this.
01:23 By the way, Hags, I'm with you on this now.
01:25 You gotta pay to read me too.
01:27 Like I, you know, we're, we're, I, I, you and I are in the same boat on this.
01:31 You know, membership has its privileges, Evan.
01:35 You know, you, you, you have to be worth the premium membership and I'm going to say Evan
01:39 Maronofsky and Joe Haggar, you're worth premium memberships.
01:41 We're worth it.
01:42 I, I, you a little bit more than me, but I agree.
01:46 I think you're right there, buddy.
01:48 You do a great job covering the prep school stuff.
01:51 That stuff is much harder to come by.
01:53 As far as the high school stock hockey and all that stuff goes, you know, I, I know a
01:57 lot of people are willing to spend for like the hockey journal for the neutral zone stuff
02:02 that those guys do.
02:03 Like all that stuff is its own thing where you can't get any of those things anywhere
02:08 else.
02:09 Any of that great kind of coverage of that stuff.
02:10 So Evan does a great job.
02:12 Definitely check him out at the hockey journal.
02:14 I do see him at hockey rinks all over new England.
02:17 He is on the beat and all over the place.
02:19 What are you working on now?
02:20 Evan, anything good?
02:21 Oh God.
02:22 I, I, when we get off this, I have to do some MIA rankings, which are always, those
02:27 get viewed like crazy.
02:28 I mean, it's incredible.
02:30 I'm doing a James Hagen's profile, kind of an in-depth look at his life.
02:35 That's going to be fun.
02:37 Next week, there's some MIA tournaments, which would be good.
02:40 And then there's a couple of prep school tournaments, but it's pretty much done until like early
02:44 January.
02:46 So yeah, I don't know.
02:48 But it's, I mean like the last weekend I saw where I saw you was the prep school holiday
02:52 tournaments.
02:53 That's like the biggest thing.
02:54 So that was fun.
02:56 A lot of good hockey.
02:58 Yep.
02:59 But a lot of good hockey.
03:01 It was good and it was fun and saw you at SEBS.
03:04 So it's always a pleasure.
03:05 That Brunswick team was very good.
03:07 That kid, I don't know what his name was, number 15.
03:09 He was excellent.
03:10 That line.
03:11 Sean Gibbons.
03:12 He's committed to, I think West Point, one of the two.
03:16 I don't want to mess it up, but one of the two.
03:17 And he's very good.
03:18 Yeah, Brunswick, I have them at like number two in prep hockey now.
03:21 They've moved all the way up because of that performance.
03:23 So good for them.
03:24 They were impressive.
03:26 Is my good buddy, John Missouri's Arlington team going to be in the MIA rankings?
03:31 They are number nine for me.
03:33 I don't know what they'll be today.
03:34 I have to look at the results they've had over the last like two weeks, but they're
03:37 always there.
03:38 It's funny.
03:39 John Missouri is always like, we're not good.
03:41 We're too young.
03:42 And I'm like, John, you're in it every year.
03:44 You say this every year.
03:46 You know, like you guys are good.
03:49 You're Arlington.
03:50 So I always I love I love Missouri like that.
03:53 But first, thanks.
03:54 Before we dive into Bruins mailbag stuff, I want to show some for people who can see
03:57 or watch on YouTube.
03:58 I'm my childhood bedroom.
03:59 Yes.
04:00 Back home for the holidays.
04:01 I was showing you the things around my room, like my Wiggles blanket.
04:04 Show them the Wiggles blanket again.
04:06 We go.
04:07 People got to see that for the year.
04:11 This is from when I was little and I don't have many blankets here anymore.
04:14 Look at that.
04:15 That incredible.
04:16 That is a true page of ever Marinovsky's childhood right there.
04:22 It's Evan Marinovsky lore.
04:23 I was when I was little, I was the biggest Wiggles fanatic you could find.
04:29 And they I mean, this is like, you know, fruit salad.
04:32 Yummy, yummy.
04:33 I mean, a song has not been written.
04:35 It's been better since.
04:38 But hockey related people like this first play to Winnipeg Jets tonight.
04:42 Now you have a son.
04:43 I was a little older than him when I asked for this boy in the Winnipeg Jets entered
04:47 the NHL.
04:48 I loved their jersey.
04:50 And because I was in seventh grade, my nanny, my grandmother would get me a big gift every
04:55 year that, you know, that was like around like, you know, 150, 200 dollars.
04:59 So I got a Winnipeg Jets jersey with my name on the back.
05:04 That's awesome.
05:05 So it was great for wearing at practice.
05:08 But then once I got to eighth grade, it wasn't cool anymore.
05:10 So I have I don't think I've worn it since, but it's it's sad.
05:14 It sat in my closet for probably like 10 years.
05:18 But yeah, so I made it a seventh grade.
05:21 Evan Marinovsky very happy when he got it.
05:24 I got it was the first time in hockey practice I was able to wear like one of my friends
05:29 always had like a new jersey or like, you know, like a vet skin or Crosby.
05:34 I would just wear the typical like practice penny.
05:37 And so when I was able to support my own Winnipeg Jets jersey, I was like, it's awesome, you
05:43 know, so good times.
05:45 I have a Star Wars hockey or jersey or two with the name Hagerty on the back.
05:50 I like it for the kids at the at hockey practice when I run a hockey practice.
05:54 I think they would get a kick out of that.
05:55 That's that would be big with the 10 year old set.
05:58 They don't think they're too cool for that stuff yet.
06:00 Exactly.
06:01 I think I would wear the Marinovsky jersey just because it's a Winnipeg Jets jersey.
06:05 So yeah, it's more use of it than I'm getting.
06:08 So there you go.
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06:48 All right, before we delve into the mailbag, Evan, anything Bruins related you want to
06:54 get off your chest or that you wanted to talk about?
06:57 Oh, geez.
06:59 You know, like we've talked a lot about DeBrusque this week and in different podcasts, but I'll
07:05 say it here like, we will get to him in the questions, by the way.
07:08 Okay, I don't want I don't want to I don't want to get ahead of myself.
07:11 No, it's okay.
07:12 No, I you know, I think with the brusque, it's interesting.
07:15 And I don't I want to save it for the question.
07:17 But his future is becoming more and more murky.
07:20 Because it's and we'll probably hit on this.
07:22 I don't want to like waste too much of it.
07:25 So like, no, I took to me, I look at it and say, really want to give him a long term deal.
07:32 At the same time, though, the other side of this is, are you going to trade a top six
07:38 winger off a team that needs top six winners who's first place in the Atlantic?
07:42 So that's sort of the conundrum I think they have.
07:46 I guess I'm gonna make a decision.
07:48 It's a conundrum.
07:49 But I guess if is he a top six winger right now, he's on pace for 11 goals and 30 points.
07:58 He's making some pretty bad plays.
07:59 Like obviously, he's getting picked apart for and you know, this stuff happens in overtime,
08:05 right?
08:06 Three on three overtime, things happen fast.
08:07 Like you can really pick that one apart.
08:10 I take less issue with that than some of the other stuff you typically see out of Jake
08:14 DeBrus, but obviously, like firing high and wide like he did with that shot that you know,
08:21 like I tell my 10 year olds when I coach them to try to hit the net because if you don't,
08:25 that's what happens.
08:27 The puck rims around goes right out and turns into a breakaway.
08:30 The other way.
08:31 That's exactly what happened with him and like that shot wasn't even close.
08:34 Like that was 20 feet away from the net.
08:38 Interesting.
08:39 With the you've probably seen the Fabian Lysel clips going around Twitter of him trying to
08:43 play hero ball and just you know, skate through defenders.
08:46 DeBrus was one on one but in overtime when it's three on three, dude, don't do that.
08:52 Like pull up or you know, go around the net and set something up like he has speed and
08:57 we look I'm pro going to interior ice.
09:00 That's not like my point.
09:01 It's that you can't just you want to in overtime as you know, you want to get the best shot
09:07 possible and a one on one.
09:09 You want to hang on to the puck too, you know, yes, puck possession is the biggest thing.
09:13 So that's not the best shot and that's not going to help you with puck possession because
09:18 you know, he freaking missed the net by a million feet.
09:21 So yeah, I mean, so my big thing is like, what do you do?
09:25 Like I know people that just trade him or like I was talking to Mark Dibber about this
09:29 yesterday and I think the biggest thing is if there's a good return, you can get a legitimate
09:36 return for him, whether that's a somewhat high pick or you can somehow package him for
09:43 a you know, long term person you can have either on D or forward, preferably forward.
09:49 You do it.
09:50 But if it's just to dump him and get like a fourth round pick, no thanks.
09:55 You know, like then you just play it out and you see what happens because that's not because
09:59 you could.
10:00 I mean, I, I think I've talked about this a lot at the beginning of the year with DeBrusk.
10:06 I felt like the writing was already on the wall at the beginning of the year that he
10:09 wasn't coming back.
10:10 I've already felt like this is a Tory Krug situation where he's just too much money,
10:15 too much term that he's going to make on the market because of the seasons that he's had
10:19 in the season, you know, the season he's coming off of and the numbers he's put up.
10:23 And I just don't think the Bruins want to invest that kind of money in that kind of
10:26 term in this player that's too inconsistent.
10:28 And, you know, it has shown too many negative sort of sides to his game when things aren't
10:37 going his way and the goals aren't coming, you know, he just doesn't do enough.
10:41 And he, and he doesn't sort of, he doesn't, he hasn't evolved his game enough when he's
10:46 not scoring to really help them and to be a valued player.
10:51 And you know, part of it too, and I've been asked this a lot is, and I mentioned this
10:56 at the beginning of the year as well.
10:57 I think a lot of it last year was playing with Marcian and Bergeron too, and they were
11:00 the best in him.
11:02 And I think you're seeing now without them that he can't, he can't put up the same kind
11:07 of numbers and he can't play the same way that he did last year when he had them.
11:10 And you know, he, he I'm sure got a lot more room with the puck and a lot more free and
11:14 easy looks last year, playing with those two, then he's going to get playing with other
11:18 players and it's a better measure on, you know, if he can drive a line, if he's a true
11:22 top six forward, like what he's actually going to bring you.
11:25 If you pay that kind of money to keep him.
11:27 And I just don't think the Bruins want to invest that.
11:29 So to your point, if they're not going to, if they're going to just going to get a draft
11:34 pick and it's not going to be a high draft pick, if they were going to trade him, just
11:38 keep them for the rest of the year and then trade his, his negotiating rights for, you
11:42 know, a fifth, sixth round pick, whatever, right before free agency.
11:46 That's something that you could potentially do.
11:48 But I also think they're just, you know, in a spot where they may ride it out with him
11:52 and just let him leave in free agency after the year is over and see what they can get
11:56 out of him.
11:57 Because I don't know that they're going to be able to find a player with his potential
12:01 upside offensively to bring back.
12:05 But like he has been good in the playoffs in past years, too.
12:09 That's another side to it.
12:11 Yep.
12:12 And, and, you know, that, that factors into it as well.
12:15 But I just think, you know, at this point, I think they've been on the Jake DeBruyske
12:19 rollercoaster for, you know, almost 10 years now.
12:22 And I think the Bruins are ready to get off and they probably feel like they've gotten
12:27 the best that they're ever going to get out of him at this point, you know, as he hits
12:31 his mid to late twenties and somebody is going to overpay for him in free agency.
12:36 And they don't want to be the ones that do that.
12:37 I mean, look, they made the right call on Torrey Krug, right?
12:39 Like he's a good player.
12:40 I like, they clearly missed him on the power play after they let him go in free agency.
12:45 But like, you know, what's going on with him in St. Louis now, they were trying to trade
12:49 him before the season started.
12:50 You know, they were already trying to get out of that deal from a few years ago.
12:54 And he was 30 at the time.
12:56 And I remember thinking like, even then, like, you know, he had that point pressure, but
13:00 it's like, he's 30, he's undersized.
13:03 One interesting NHL trend that's taken place, I think over the last couple of years, is
13:07 obviously everybody wants the big defenseman, the big, you know, don't let you get to interior
13:12 ice, but can also move the puck, you know, your, your, you know, your Hampers Lindholms
13:17 of the world, so to speak, those types of defenseman teams want Shea Theodore, those
13:22 guys.
13:23 It's very interesting, though, how the value of the undersized defense that has just completely
13:28 plummeted.
13:29 I mean, remember, maybe I'm wrong, but like five or six years ago, obviously, Krug, you
13:33 had Grizzled coming up, you had like Jaco Sean in Providence, who people were all hyped
13:37 up about.
13:38 And even around the league, it was like, Oh, the small puck moving elusive defenseman.
13:42 And it's like, that's not really working like a guy like Lane Hudson at BU.
13:47 I'm very, very, very curious to see what he becomes when he gets the NHL level, because
13:51 it's they're going out of style.
13:54 You talk to NHL scouts all the time.
13:55 And it's like, the smaller guys, even if they're good, the bigger guys just are more applicable
14:01 to today's NHL.
14:03 So I'm curious what happens with that, too.
14:05 Yeah, the problem is that I think even if they're really good offensively, those small
14:11 defensemen are going to be liabilities defensively.
14:14 And yes, difficult for them to outshine or outperform their defensive deficiencies with
14:21 the offense that they're bringing.
14:22 They have to be really, really good offensively to offset or even more than offset what they're
14:29 going to give up defensively.
14:30 And the fact that they're going to be able to be taken advantage of, especially in the
14:34 playoffs, you see players that are undersized, D-men that are undersized to really get picked
14:39 on and exploited.
14:42 And you've seen that with Torrey Krug in the past when he was with the Bruins.
14:45 You've seen that with Matt Griswick.
14:47 You know, Joe McCar is a little bigger than them.
14:49 He's not that small, but he's a he's a smaller defenseman.
14:53 If you're that talented, I don't think it matters.
14:56 Right.
14:57 So fast.
14:58 But but what you the players that you're mentioning, the Jack O'Shaun, I remember the guy Will
15:03 Butcher.
15:04 Yes.
15:05 And everybody was saying was going to be great.
15:08 And he kind of like just went nowhere.
15:11 You have to be way you have to be special offensively, I think, to be able to make it
15:17 like it's easier for undersized forwards, the five foot eight, five foot nine forwards
15:22 to survive and thrive in today's NHL, because they're not as they're not going to be as
15:28 much of a liability defensively.
15:30 I think defenseman, you can really make hay with them around the net and make them pay
15:36 defensively if they're not tremendous defensive players and, you know, with their sticks,
15:42 with their technique, all that stuff.
15:43 And even if they are like Griswick, I think is a pretty good defender, but he still gets
15:46 picked on in the D zone, especially in the playoffs.
15:50 And he has a hard time staying healthy.
15:52 And that's the other thing I think with smaller defenseman, too.
15:55 So I think you're right.
15:56 I also think there's.
15:59 There's always going to be an old school hockey thing where they're just not going to believe
16:02 that anybody like I know it's an old school hockey mentality and notion when you talk
16:06 to hockey people that anybody below six feet is just not going to hack it defensively.
16:10 Yeah.
16:11 And for so long, they just didn't exist that I think they're never going to believe.
16:16 I remember having arguments with Mike Milbury about that when Krug was with the Bruins,
16:20 because he's like, you can't be under six feet tall and survive in the NHL on defense.
16:24 You just can't do it.
16:25 And there's a ton of hockey people that believe that to this day.
16:27 Oh, yeah.
16:28 And the thing with Krug was he was he was strong.
16:31 He was stock.
16:32 You know, he could he could lay big hits.
16:34 I'm like that.
16:35 I think that helped him.
16:36 I haven't watched a ton of him in St. Louis.
16:38 I know his productions down.
16:39 I know that team is just a bad situation.
16:43 It has been.
16:44 I mean, like so.
16:45 And it's funny, like you look back to that.
16:47 I don't want to get too far off track here, but like, remember, like they they let Petrangelo
16:51 go.
16:52 They went to Vegas, won a cup, was has been pretty solid.
16:56 And they opted for Krug, who I think was a teeny bit cheaper than Petrangelo, which didn't
17:01 make a ton of sense because you're replacing your captain, who was a two way force with
17:05 like a very offensive minded, you know, fine in his own zone, but smaller defenseman.
17:10 So yeah, I mean, good times.
17:13 The Bruins read that one right.
17:15 And I think ultimately, walk away from Dubrovnik, they're going to be, you know, credited for
17:20 reading this one correctly, too, because I just don't think he's going to be worth whatever
17:24 the money is that he gets approaching free agency.
17:28 And I just don't think the Bruins are going to be willing to spend that kind of capital
17:32 on him.
17:33 And I think rightfully so.
17:34 They're going to have to replace his offense somehow.
17:36 And some of the skill level that he brings in the speed that he brings.
17:39 But like, you know, if he's coming off a year like he's having right now and things don't
17:43 change like you're not getting it out of him either.
17:45 So, you know, you might as well move on to somebody else.
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18:33 I don't know if you have discussed what's wrong with the Bruins three on three in overtime,
18:38 but it certainly needs to be discussed.
18:40 Their record in OT is bad.
18:42 Jim Montgomery actually said it was two and six yesterday when we asked him about it.
18:47 They need to fix that to be successful, especially in the playoffs.
18:50 That's from Jim Connors via the Facebook fan page.
18:53 And, you know, obviously the DeBrust play that we're talking about going way high and
18:57 wide with the shot and that turning into a rush the other way for the Kaprizov game winner
19:03 is the latest issue.
19:06 But two and six in overtime, there's been some overtimes where they just don't even
19:11 get a shot on net, get the puck.
19:12 I remember there was one overtime in Tampa Bay a few weeks ago where I think they got
19:18 a shot like six nothing in overtime before they lost.
19:22 And it was just bad.
19:24 They did not look good at all.
19:25 And they just looked like they were, you know, they looked like they were there was a bunch
19:29 of older players just playing, toying around and playing keep away with a bunch of younger
19:33 hockey players on the ice.
19:34 Yes.
19:35 You know, at times they don't look fast enough.
19:38 They certainly I don't think value the puck at times.
19:41 That's not something they've practiced this year, which I think has been a problem.
19:44 And I'm I was glad to see they actually were practicing the three on three or two at practice
19:49 yesterday before they left for the road trip.
19:52 So I think Jim Montgomery is now realizing that that's something they need to at least
19:56 practice a little bit.
19:59 Work on if they're going to play man to man, come up with some plays that they can have
20:02 to make in three on three OT with the combos they put out there.
20:06 But at the end of the day, like I think there's there's there's sometimes a lack of speed
20:12 like the Bruins have some fast players, but I think in general, they're not the fastest
20:15 team in the league.
20:17 And I think that gets exposed in three on three overtime a lot.
20:20 And I don't know how much they're going to be able to improve that, you know, maybe incrementally
20:24 they will.
20:25 But I don't know.
20:26 I don't know if this is going to ever be a great overtime team compared to some of the
20:30 other teams and the personnel that they have in the league.
20:33 They're slow.
20:34 They're slow.
20:35 That's exactly what it is.
20:36 They're slow.
20:37 They have slow personnel.
20:38 They're not a fast team.
20:39 So they're not built for, you know, to be successful in three on three.
20:42 I mean, that's the I think that's what it comes down to.
20:44 I agree with you.
20:45 They got to practice it.
20:46 You got to have plays.
20:47 You know, you've got to somehow find a way to make your your lack of speed be able to
20:54 compete like, you know, do you drop, you know, just hail Mary's.
20:57 Do you hang someone like there are things you can do.
21:00 Yeah.
21:01 They're just like that.
21:03 It comes down to that.
21:05 And, you know, I think that's an issue for the playoffs, though.
21:09 Like what I think his name was, Jim mentioned, like, I'm not as concerned about that for
21:14 the playoffs solely because you have to agree on three.
21:17 Oh, it's not going to exist in the playoffs.
21:19 So that part's fine.
21:21 And I think their heaviness can help them.
21:23 They just need to utilize it more.
21:24 You need to hit more like they're heavy.
21:26 They should be a heavier team than they are.
21:28 But they have the personnel to be heavy.
21:30 They do not have the personnel to be fast.
21:32 So like I think come the playoffs, I'm fine with that.
21:35 And I will also say this.
21:36 I think the Bruins last night, like check yesterday, what are they like third in the
21:40 NHL?
21:41 They're like, you know, they're like forty four points.
21:43 Vegas is forty seven.
21:45 New York is five.
21:48 If it can prevent them from winning the president's trophy again, would that be the worst thing
21:51 in the world?
21:52 So that that'd be the silver lining.
21:54 No.
21:55 So no president's trophy.
21:56 I'm OK with that.
21:57 So, yeah.
21:58 But mainly it's just a slow, slow team.
22:00 That's that.
22:01 No, I think they it would behoove them to get a little bit better at the three on three
22:05 OT to work on, you know, what they're going to do defensively, where they're where they
22:10 should be, you know, get combos used to playing with each other and sort of make it they can
22:14 come up with some little plays to help them win games like all that stuff.
22:18 I think we'll help them a little bit in the short term, but like long term, I'm not super
22:22 concerned about it.
22:23 I think because it's not going to be a scenario they're going to see in the playoffs.
22:26 So it really doesn't matter.
22:29 The one thing I would say is that.
22:33 They should also practice it a little bit more because they're going to be in it a lot.
22:36 You know, this is a team that does not separate from other teams offensively.
22:40 There are a lot of games in the third period, a lot of white knuckle action going on in
22:45 the third where they're just hanging on to a lead at the end, which is going to turn
22:49 into overtime a lot, you know, because they're not good at closing out teams with a one goal
22:52 lead in the third period either.
22:55 So it's something they should work on getting better at in the regular season, simply because
23:00 they are going to be in overtime a lot because that's the kind of team that they are, where
23:04 they're playing in a lot of three to two, two to one games, where it's probably inevitably
23:09 going to go to overtime where they're trying to get the extra point.
23:12 But do I, you know, do I think it's vital that they improve that?
23:16 Do I think their existence is going to rely on that?
23:19 No.
23:20 I think the bigger issue and the bigger problem that I see is them allowing goals in the last
23:26 few minutes of games when it turns into like just hand to hand combat around the net, trying
23:31 to protect a one goal lead and they're getting pushed around and they're getting scored on.
23:35 And it's getting to the point now where other teams smell blood and understand that if they
23:40 push hard against the Bruins late in the game, they're going to get that tying goal.
23:44 And that is going to hurt them in the playoffs.
23:46 And that is going to be, you know, they're ultimately they're undoing, I think, if they
23:51 can't improve that.
23:52 Yeah, I completely agree.
23:54 The only other scenario I could see in which like this would really screw them is if they
23:59 plummet.
24:00 And the last day of the season is, you know, you got to win or you're out of the playoffs
24:04 and it goes to overtime.
24:05 And it's like, oh, well, no playoffs this year.
24:07 But I agree.
24:08 I like.
24:09 Well, put it this way, Evan, if the point the where they are right now in the standings,
24:14 if they are scratching and clawing to get to the playoffs, the last game of the season,
24:18 they do not deserve to make the playoffs.
24:20 No, they don't.
24:21 I agree.
24:22 It's the 2011 Red Sox.
24:23 I agree with that.
24:24 But so that yeah, that's my thing.
24:26 And you hit it there like they they don't separate well from teams and they blow leads
24:32 in the third because they just get hemmed in their own zone for like 10 minutes or the
24:38 back half of a period.
24:39 And I think like if you're in your own zone enough, you can be great defensively.
24:44 A team is going to score like if you're in your own zone that long, like they're going
24:48 to break through shots or, you know, they're going to find ways to score the guys.
24:52 They don't tell it too good, especially against like, you know, Capri soft, boldly and Erickson
24:56 act, by the way.
24:57 Shout out to Matt Bowlby for Millis.
25:00 But yeah.
25:01 So to me, like, I agree.
25:02 So that's that would be my.
25:04 But yeah, the nightmare scenario, I think will happen.
25:06 That would be a I agree.
25:08 If they have come down last game of the season to them, get in the playoffs, lose.
25:12 You don't deserve it.
25:13 So I'm with you there.
25:15 No, I don't think it will.
25:16 And you know.
25:19 My greater view, my greater view of this entire season continues to be that they're a transition
25:24 team and that, you know, if they get into the playoffs and they get it went around or
25:28 shoot to grade, I don't think they should be going for broke this year.
25:31 I don't think they should be going all in trading, you know, tons of assets.
25:35 I think they should probably be looking more to trade away assets and build back some of
25:39 their prospects, draft picks, like all that stuff.
25:42 Like Jabrusk that we talked about and then, you know, get experience for the younger players.
25:46 They have a good enough core to get into the playoffs anyway.
25:49 Like, you know, do all that stuff, but not, you know, I don't sense put it this way.
25:54 I don't feel the same level of panic that a lot of Bruins fans do about.
25:58 We need to fix this.
25:59 We need to fix that.
26:00 We need to add this player.
26:01 We need to do this.
26:02 Like, this is going to be a disaster.
26:03 Like, no, this is a season where they realistically are not going to win the cup.
26:09 Like if they have the team that they have, even if they add a piece, it's not going to
26:14 be cup worthy.
26:15 I don't think they have a two month cup run in them.
26:17 I think this is a team that is going to be, you know, be a good playoff team, get into
26:22 the playoffs, maybe win a round or two, get valuable experience in the playoffs for the
26:26 younger players that they've integrated into the lineup and, you know, sort of pivot and
26:31 go with the next group, you know, next year and beyond as they can add some pieces because
26:35 they have cap space.
26:37 I think in the greater scheme of things, I hate to use the term bridge year because I
26:40 think it's overused, but I think that kind of is what this season is in a lot because
26:45 of the players that left because of the players they brought in and the situation that they're
26:48 in.
26:49 You know, but so like, I don't think anybody should be overly concerned about any of this
26:54 stuff because I think at the end of the year, the fact that they're, you know, where they
26:58 are in the standings is an overwhelming positive and was unexpected.
27:02 It's also a development year.
27:04 You hit it there.
27:05 So, you know, can Patra stay in the NHL season and grow, which he has so far, he's the world
27:11 junior right now, but he's, you know, he's, he's enduring a full season.
27:16 You know, can Johnny Beecher be a serviceable fourth line center?
27:19 Yes.
27:20 Can Charlie Coyle, who's looked, I think, awesome this year, I agree, continue to be
27:24 a top six center.
27:26 So far, he's looked like one.
27:27 I know the production hasn't been there the last couple of games, but the overall game
27:30 has been his overall game has been.
27:33 So to me, I look at it from that lens of like, this year is about kind of building for the
27:40 next bunch of years where you're going to have more cap space and, and, you know, younger
27:44 guys are guys like low rye.
27:47 So yeah, I agree.
27:48 I, I, I'm not panicking.
27:50 I, you know, they are going to have their bumps.
27:52 They're going to have their slumps.
27:54 I don't mean to be Dr. Seuss, but like, it just, that's what the season is going to be.
27:58 And that's okay.
27:59 I mean, it's appropriate for you to be Dr. Seuss when you're in your childhood bedroom
28:02 with your wiggle sheets.
28:03 So like, I think you go for it, you know, green eggs and ham for everybody at Christmas
28:08 time.
28:09 I am.
28:10 There's gotta be a Dr. Seuss book in here somewhere.
28:12 I don't know where it is, but I'm sure the places you will go is in that room somewhere.
28:16 I have zero question.
28:17 You probably got that for high school graduation.
28:19 I have zero, zero.
28:20 All right, let's go looking ahead to the playoffs, assuming the Bruins qualify, which I think
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29:49 Who will the four centers be for game one?
29:53 And that's from JCH3717 on Twitter.
29:58 Uh, I will say, uh, Elias Lindholm, Connor McDavid.
30:03 No, um, I will, I will go with, it'll be Zaka, Coyle.
30:10 And I know that's like bland.
30:12 I know it's not fun.
30:13 You cut out Zaka Coyle.
30:15 Zaka Coyle, Patra Beecher.
30:17 I think those will be the four.
30:18 Um, and again, like to go into the playoffs with two young centers, you know, again, if
30:23 you're going for a cup, that's a hard thing to sell.
30:26 And I know they will be going for a cup, I'm not saying they aren't, but at the same time,
30:29 like you just hit, like, I think it's good experience for guys like Patra and Beecher
30:34 to be centers in the playoffs.
30:37 And like, I'm not putting Patra on the wing and you know, like, is Geeky going to be the
30:42 third line center?
30:43 I mean, he's probably a little, maybe more stable, but I think those are the four.
30:47 Um, what do you think?
30:49 Yeah.
30:50 I think the only, as you referenced, I think the only deviation would be Geeky, uh, as
30:56 the third line center, but I think Geeky has shown that he can play wing and that he actually
31:00 plays really well with Patra as a duo.
31:04 So, you know, I think Patra, I think it would be very valuable to get Patra some playing
31:10 time in the playoffs and experience in the playoffs.
31:12 Just part of, just like I think world juniors is great for his development.
31:16 And I think getting playoff experience is going to be extremely important, uh, for his
31:20 development, uh, at the end of the year.
31:22 So I would put him in there.
31:23 I think this is, you know, obviously there's a balance between urgency, winning playoffs,
31:28 competitive, uh, competitively, what putting the best team out there in the best spot to
31:32 win like all that stuff.
31:34 But I just think some decisions organizationally this year should be made about player development,
31:40 about what's best long-term for the organization and for the players.
31:43 And, you know, what's going to put them in a position to be like, you know, potentially
31:47 great for, you know, a five-year run, uh, in the near future.
31:51 And I think getting Patra some playing time at the center position will do that.
31:55 And I think it's important.
31:56 Uh, so that would be my, I think it's Zachary Coyle, Patra and Beecher.
32:00 I don't think, I don't think Lindholm is a realistic trade, uh, for the Bruins.
32:06 I just don't, I don't think any big ticket item is a realistic trade target for the Bruins
32:12 because they don't have first round picks.
32:14 They don't have second round picks.
32:15 They don't have, they're not going to trade Matt Patra.
32:18 They're not going to trade up Mason Lowry.
32:20 They're not going to trade there.
32:22 You know, the guys that have risen to the top of their prospect pool, um, you know,
32:27 maybe they trade a Fabian Lysel, who is having some, you know, developmental bumps in, in
32:33 Providence and may become a player.
32:35 That's a prospect that has value as a trade ship rather than a player that you feel like
32:39 is ever going to develop with you organizationally.
32:42 And I think we're starting to hit that territory a little bit with him where, you know, I was
32:46 at a Finn played, uh, before the Providence Bruins games last weekend.
32:51 So I was down there for that Syracuse Bruins game, uh, where I guess, uh, uh, Ryan Mugenel
32:57 criticized, uh, Lysel pretty heavily after the game was over.
33:01 Um, but I was there with, uh, Finn played before the warmups on the ice with his Crimson
33:06 teammates.
33:07 Uh, I, so I watched the game, he sniped one early in the game.
33:11 Uh, the team looked great.
33:13 He had a great goal, everything looked good.
33:16 And then it kind of fell apart after that.
33:18 And you know, Mugenel talked about it afterwards and how, you know, maybe he's not playing
33:22 the team game like he needs to, um, consistently.
33:25 And that's been a problem.
33:26 Um, but the talent is there, you know, the, the goal was an elite goal scores goal.
33:32 It was nice.
33:33 Um, so he's still playing pretty well and the numbers are pretty good.
33:37 So like, maybe that's a guy that becomes a trade chip, uh, for somebody, but he's not
33:42 going to get you Elias Lindholm, you know, that to make a trade like that for a top tier,
33:47 uh, NHL player, that's going to be, uh, you know, uh, uh, highly sought after rental,
33:53 especially if you have designs on wanting to keep that player long-term, it's going
33:57 to cost you a lot more than that.
33:58 I, the Bruins just don't have the assets to make that kind of trade.
34:01 Oh, I love with Lysel.
34:03 I think his trade values you hit on there has gone down to the point where like, I think
34:07 a year or two ago, I think you could have, you know, Lysel and you know, Lysel is the
34:12 main centerpiece for a guy like an Elias Lindholm.
34:16 Now I don't think that's the case.
34:17 Like I think, you know, maybe he's in a deal, maybe I'm undervaluing him a ton, but I just
34:22 don't see him as the trade chip.
34:24 We used to view him as the other thing I will add is I agree with you.
34:28 They're not going to make a big move.
34:30 And like, I don't want them to go out and get another middle six center.
34:36 Like you don't need that.
34:37 You've got Zaka, you've got coil, like you're fine there.
34:40 You don't need another, you'll get geeky.
34:43 You don't need another one of those guys.
34:45 And I, so yeah, I agree.
34:47 I think it's going to be, they're going to stick with who they got.
34:50 If they make any moves, it's going to be, you know, a veteran winger who can reliably
34:56 put up, you know, 30 points a season.
34:59 Maybe like someone like that, like Connor, Connor Ryan the other day mentioned.
35:04 And you know, I don't think he meant this as like a, like a guy I go out here, but a
35:08 guy that they went out for the past, like a Marcus Johansson, that kind of a player,
35:12 maybe that's what they do to supplement the roster.
35:15 But again, I don't have the pieces to make a big move.
35:19 I'd like less Johansson more big, nasty fourth line Milan Lucic replacement type player.
35:27 I think that's fair along the lines of what they should be looking at at this point.
35:33 Because I just don't think, you know, you talk about them playing, you know, a little
35:36 bit physical, but I just don't think they have the personnel to play physical either.
35:39 And they need more to play that way.
35:41 And they need a player like him because they'd kind of game plan before the season started,
35:45 that they were going to have a presence like Lucic this season.
35:48 And the fact that they don't have it, they they're missing that big time.
35:51 So I think that's something they would, they're going to need to get.
35:54 And they certainly, I think, should get a nasty, big, strong defenseman around the net,
35:58 a guy that, you know, cleans house, clears bodies, plays with an attitude.
36:03 I think they need that kind of player to, you know, like an Adam McQuaid type, honestly,
36:08 would be like really good, like that kind of a player.
36:11 I think they Radko Gouda's.
36:12 Yeah, well, he would be the ideal.
36:15 I don't know that they're going to get him, but like somebody like that.
36:18 Sure.
36:19 And I think those are bigger needs, like for this particular season.
36:23 You know, I think scoring wise, I think they're going to be OK.
36:27 I think they've made peace this year that they're not going to be the high scoring team
36:30 they were last year.
36:31 They're going to be kind of middle of the road and they're going to have to rely a lot
36:34 on Pasternak and Marchant to do a lot of the heavy lifting.
36:38 And I think, you know, they're OK with that rather than adding somebody like that.
36:43 But we'll see.
36:44 Terry O'Reilly is secretly Santa, isn't he?
36:46 I mean, think about it.
36:48 That's for Michael Barry on the Facebook fan page.
36:51 I included that because it's the centennial year and I just love Terry O'Reilly.
36:55 Yes.
36:56 So Merry Christmas to Terry O'Reilly and all the Bruins centennial greats out there.
37:01 It's been great to see all you guys at the garden this year.
37:04 Unfortunately, all the scoring depends on pasta and marshy.
37:08 They can't do it all.
37:09 Third and fourth lines just can't do it.
37:11 That's from Johnny Mildner on the Facebook fan page.
37:13 And then we just discussed that.
37:16 That's a good comment.
37:17 And it's very true.
37:20 But I think, you know, I feel like third and fourth line wise, when the third line has
37:27 been JVR, Charlie Coyle, Trent Frederick, I thought it was outstanding.
37:32 Yeah.
37:33 You know, I think the problem is maybe they don't have enough top six pieces to make that
37:38 their third line where it becomes a challenge.
37:42 And like, you know, Johnny Beacher showed a little bit offensively this year.
37:46 I think there's a little bit more to get out of him offensively.
37:49 And I think Morgan Geeky, I think, can provide a little bit more offensively.
37:55 I think there's some players that are in that mix third and fourth line wise when they're
38:00 in there that I think you're going to see a little bit more offense from in the second
38:03 half of the year.
38:04 So I think they can kind of rely on that.
38:06 I don't know how much of a need that's going to be.
38:09 Your viewpoint is interesting on you because it's interesting when I was, you know, I've
38:13 been thinking lately, you know, they do need someone up front that can, you know, reliably
38:18 put a puck in the net here and there.
38:20 But your theory is interesting in the sense that they have the guys find a way to get,
38:26 you know, three, four goals a game in the playoffs.
38:28 They need to focus more on their strength and strengthening their strength.
38:31 And I like that idea.
38:32 The idea of, you know, added defenseman who is mean and nasty or add, you know, a forward
38:38 on the fourth line who can put guys in the glass.
38:41 I don't hate that.
38:42 That's why, like, I'm open to any additions you can make to this team.
38:47 I just don't want them giving up too many future assets unless like if you could find
38:51 a way to get a Lindholm long term, then OK, fine.
38:56 But like if it's a rental piece like a Bertuzzi or an Orloff who which Sweeney doesn't typically
39:01 do by the way, last year was sort of a one off with that stuff.
39:05 But even then, like, I agree with you.
39:08 I think if you can strengthen your strength, that's why, like, the whole idea of trading
39:11 a goalie doesn't make any sense to me because your strength is your goalies like, yeah,
39:15 I know that.
39:16 Yeah, this team is built on defense and goaltending.
39:19 It's not going to be an offensive juggernaut.
39:20 I think adding a little more offense is OK, but I'd rather they focus on what they do
39:26 well and making sure they're as good as they can possibly be at doing those things and,
39:32 you know, just making peace with who and what they are.
39:34 And I think they have.
39:35 I, you know, I think they understood that this was not going to be like a record breaking
39:40 year offensively and that they were going to play a lot of one goal games and it was
39:43 going to be close and that they were going to have to play great defense, like great
39:49 rush defense, great defense in their own zone, you know, great textbook fundamental defense
39:54 ahead of like elite goaltending.
39:57 And I think for the most part, it's been that.
39:58 And, you know, Jim Montgomery has been very happy, I think, notably so with the team lately,
40:04 much more positive than he was earlier in the year.
40:07 And I think it's because they're playing better defensively for the most part, by and large.
40:12 And I think you're starting to see improvements where they, you know, they're going to have
40:16 to be playing a successful brand of hockey when they get to the playoffs.
40:20 It may not mean that they're going to go all the way to the cup final, but I think they'll
40:23 be at least playing playoff style hockey when they get there.
40:28 Are they teaching Jake to brush to hit the net when shooting the puck?
40:31 That's for Marcon 15.
40:33 I think we have adequately addressed that one already.
40:36 We have.
40:37 We've done a lot to brush.
40:38 Hopefully they are teaching Jake to brush to hit the net because like, and, you know,
40:43 going back to what we said before, the one thing I would say is that you got to, you
40:47 tell a guy like Jake to brush, look, if you're going to take that shot, I don't want to put
40:51 the governor on you offensively and try to limit you and tell you what to do as a creative
40:56 offensive player that, you know, has scored close to 30 goals in the season, this league.
41:02 But if you're going to take that shot, you need to hit the net, you know, that's all
41:06 we ask is that you're, you're going to invite the wrath of the coach and everybody else
41:10 in the fan base and all that.
41:11 So you got to hit the net.
41:15 And I said, I said I wrote this down four goals in 29 games on a pace for 11 goals and
41:20 30 points this season for Jake to brush, just not even close to good enough.
41:25 Is it an NHL policy that if you get one brother, you get the other brother, IE Morgan geeky.
41:31 If it isn't, it should be.
41:32 And that's from place to be place on Twitter.
41:35 And this plays into Morgan geekies, younger brother, Connor geeky playing Patra on team
41:42 Canada at the world junior tournament, which will make it all the more interesting for
41:47 Bruins fans, certainly for Morgan geeky, it'll make it interesting to watch.
41:50 But I think for Bruins fans as well, being able to watch Patra at the world juniors will
41:56 make it a fun tournament and we'll make it very interesting from a Bruins perspective
42:01 to see how he does.
42:02 And the first practice he was centering the top line with Connor geeky on his wing.
42:09 So that's going to be really interesting.
42:10 And Connor geeky, obviously a former first round pick of the Arizona coyotes future in
42:16 the NHL.
42:17 So of course, if it were an NHL policy that you get one brother, do you get the other
42:22 brother Bruins fans would be very happy about that.
42:24 I mean, look, it happened with the Richie's Richie brothers.
42:27 I mean, you know, I continue to do it.
42:30 I'd rather have the Richie's than the Richie's.
42:32 I would agree with you there.
42:33 I just looked it up and I didn't realize this Connor geeky is six, four.
42:37 That would be that would be someone fun to have in your in your top nine.
42:41 I Yeah, get more brothers.
42:43 I mean, I'm all for it.
42:44 You know, like you should be able to get like, it's like in college recruiting, like the
42:48 Higgins brothers, you get both or like the Hughes, they all go to Michigan.
42:52 So like, I would I would, I would entertain it, maybe a little change, you know, get different,
42:58 different brothers in the league.
42:59 Why not?
43:00 I mean, in my generation, it was the Eves brothers at BC who didn't.
43:03 Yes.
43:04 And went to go play for Jerry York instead, which I always thought was interesting.
43:08 That's right, Patrick Eves.
43:09 I forgot about that.
43:10 And Benny's his older brother.
43:12 Yeah, they were.
43:13 Oh, yeah.
43:14 But yeah, I always thought that was like an interesting dynamic, like that didn't actually
43:19 get reported on enough that like, their dad was a big time college hockey coach, and they
43:24 ended up going to play for somebody else instead of their dad.
43:26 I always thought that was interesting.
43:28 Well, Jerry Keith, his son Owen, committed to BU and doesn't know he like I've talked
43:33 to him about it.
43:34 He's like, I knew I could never play for my dad.
43:36 And it was just like, that was that.
43:37 And I think that's he's I think it's, it must be easier as a kid to just say, I can't play
43:42 for you and have it be agreed upon because I feel like if he was like, Oh, I'm deciding
43:47 between Northeastern and BU and I pick BU.
43:50 It's like, Oh, that's kind of different.
43:51 Like that's tough to do to be like, Dad, sorry, but I'm gonna choose somewhere else.
43:55 And to just be like, I'm not going there no matter what I think is the easiest thing to
43:58 do if you're if you having any second thoughts about going anywhere else.
44:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:03 I thought that was funny.
44:04 Oh, yeah.
44:05 No, it's totally interesting.
44:06 But it's, it's, it's funny how, like, you'll see some kids that will like adamantly play
44:11 for their dad, no matter where their dad goes.
44:13 And then other ones, like, Nope, not playing for him.
44:16 Had enough car ride homes, car rides home after tough games to not want to do that in
44:22 college.
44:23 All right, why?
44:24 And last question, why on earth did money put to Breskin Gretzky?
44:28 Of course, he's talking about Grizzly, not Gretzky there, or she is talking.
44:31 Why on earth did money put to Bresk and Gretzky out on a very important play in overtime,
44:36 just like last year when he kept putting all mark in that when he should have played swim
44:40 and we lost both times and angry face emoji at the end of that from Mary Sullivan on the
44:46 Facebook fan page.
44:49 They could have used Gretzky in the three on three overtime.
44:51 Yeah, I would have liked it.
44:52 Maybe come off the TNT panel and play a little hockey for them.
44:55 I even think biz maybe that business because business and all of that fourth line.
45:01 I you know, I don't hate them putting him putting them out there because as we mentioned,
45:07 three on three is fast.
45:09 Now Jake, Jake Dubrovskis not you know, he didn't do the right thing possession wise,
45:13 but Grissom has a good possession defenseman and he's quick.
45:17 He's a good skater.
45:19 I'm not opposed to that.
45:20 I know so not having a good season, though, I would say I know that's the thing.
45:25 That's the thing is like that McAvoy Grissom pairing has not been anywhere near as good
45:28 as it has been in the past.
45:30 So like, I agree.
45:31 But from the intangible perspective from the just, you know, on paper, he's quick.
45:35 That's really I mean, like, you know, I think that's the big reason.
45:40 Maybe it speaks to need to have more guys who are big and can skate which again, you
45:44 got low rye in the system who's coming up, you know, who at some point is going to stick
45:48 in the NHL.
45:50 But yeah, I'm not I wasn't super opposed to that.
45:53 The Grissom thing is interesting.
45:54 We haven't really hit on it at all on like whether or not to trade him.
45:57 Yeah, I put him in the same category as Dubrovsk of like, if you get a good return for him,
46:04 deal him like he has value.
46:06 But if you're not going to get a good return for him, then probably not the best move,
46:11 I think.
46:12 But that's just me.
46:13 I mean, I think you'll you could get something for him.
46:16 You know, yes, I think he has.
46:18 He's his value has.
46:22 Lowered this year, certainly.
46:24 He's not having a great season.
46:26 You know, he's not as even as valued as he probably was last summer from an asset standpoint.
46:33 But he's still a puck moving defenseman that's proven he can play top four minutes in the
46:38 NHL.
46:40 And I think that's there's value there across the league.
46:43 And he's not super expensive on the contract.
46:45 He has either given that he can play those kind of roles.
46:48 So I think he would have some kind of value.
46:52 And the bigger problem with him is just that, you know, he's going to start being a player
46:57 that I don't think is going to be like always a regular in the lineup because other young
47:01 defensemen are coming up through the system like Mason Lowry that are going to demand
47:05 playing time and that you're going to want to play instead, you know, just by virtue
47:10 of the fact that he's a bigger, stronger guy in the D zone.
47:12 And eventually he's going to be a better defender at the NHL level in his own end than Matt
47:18 Griswold could be just by virtue of his physical assets.
47:21 You know, I think that's going to be, you know, something that it's not going to be
47:26 able to fight that one, you know, being a five foot eight, five foot nine, 170 pound
47:31 guy versus a guy that's six, three to 10.
47:34 You know, that's just, you know, that that's just not a winning battle ever that he's going
47:38 to have.
47:39 So I think that part of the, I mean, you know, the interesting thing about both DeBrusk and
47:46 Grizzlick is, is part of the reason that they're playing, they're not playing up to par this
47:53 year and they're not playing up to the level of their abilities.
47:56 Is it because that they feel like the writing is on the wall for them, that they're not
47:59 going to be here long-term and they're having difficulty with that.
48:02 Is that part of what's going on with this team right now and sort of where they're at
48:07 and, you know, the prospects coming up, the salary cap, their contract, the contractual
48:12 situations like all that stuff.
48:14 These guys are human beings, you know, they're going to be affected by things like this and
48:18 thinking about their future and everything else.
48:20 Is that part of the reason that they're struggling a little bit?
48:22 And I think the answer could be yes for both.
48:25 And I think it's, you know, it's a situation that bears watching because they have, both
48:31 of them have not played well this year and because they're their situation in there,
48:35 they're, you know, they're stationed on the team is kind of in, it's a fluid situation
48:42 right now.
48:43 It's not determined or defined.
48:45 I agree with you.
48:47 And I am curious to see how it plays out.
48:49 I go back to though, I think Rizlik has value.
48:51 Like I am confident that it has value.
48:54 They do.
48:55 And you know, I don't think you can package them together to get like a better player.
49:00 I don't think that's going to work.
49:02 But like, to me, I go back to, I know a lot of people disagree with me on this.
49:06 I would love to see them get back into the first or second round next year.
49:10 Now I don't know if either of those guys can do get you into the first round.
49:14 Yeah.
49:15 I think probably get you into the second.
49:16 Like I would not hate that.
49:18 I really wouldn't.
49:19 And I know there's, you can say what you want about them drafting, but you need, you need
49:23 to breathe a little life in the, in the prospect pool, stuff like that.
49:26 And I would not hate that idea.
49:30 You know?
49:31 Yeah.
49:32 Cause I go back to like, I don't know if I've said this to you, but like with the DeBrusk
49:35 stuff, right.
49:36 They always say, people always say, Oh, you need to do like a Zaka deal, trade DeBrusk
49:40 for a guy with high potential, you know, high ceiling who hasn't met his expectations.
49:45 That's Jake DeBrusk.
49:46 That is Jake DeBrusk.
49:47 Like I think if, I think in a deal like that, DeBrusk would be Zaka, you know, and you would
49:52 be trading him for a proven commodity with a low ceiling, like an Eric Halla.
49:58 So like, yeah.
50:00 So I go back and forth on this.
50:02 But yeah, the Grislik thing, I'm fine with him in overtime and all that stuff.
50:06 So yeah, that's it.
50:07 You're going to win some, you're going to lose some in overtime.
50:10 I would say the whole team has not been great in overtime.
50:13 So let's not, yeah, it's been a full team effort.
50:16 Let's not kill DeBrusk and Grislik for the failings of many this year when it comes to
50:21 the Boston Bruins in overtime.
50:24 I think Don Sweeney definitely will hope that there's maybe a first or a second round pick
50:28 under the Christmas tree this year.
50:29 - Kevin, I hope you have a great holiday season.
50:33 Thank you very much for joining us today.
50:35 I appreciate it on this mailbag edition of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
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