Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 04th January 2024
Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 04th January 2024
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00:01:03 Pakistan is going to win the match. but Aamir Jamal and Mir Hamza showed resistance.
00:01:08 Pakistan made 313 runs, now they have lost two wickets.
00:01:14 I think Pakistani fielders are all right.
00:01:20 The slip area is not right. First slip should be minus.
00:01:24 They should remove it from cricket.
00:01:26 Saim Ayub left the catch today. David Warner.
00:01:30 He had a total score of 31. Luckily, Agha Salman took his wicket.
00:01:36 He had a score of 70. But fielding in slip is a big challenge.
00:01:42 It's not the problem of fielders, it's the problem of slip.
00:01:43 I think ICC should think about it.
00:01:46 Yes, ICC should think about it.
00:01:47 And they should not field in slip from openers.
00:01:49 They should leave Abdullah Shafiq and Saim Ayub.
00:01:52 Why?
00:01:53 You have analyzed Ashfaq's analysis in the morning.
00:01:56 He has asked the question, why?
00:01:58 But there is a lot of things in our program that we will give you a teaser.
00:02:03 What is that teaser? Top stories.
00:02:05 For the election battle, preparations are in progress in the political arena.
00:02:15 Great political tactics are being tested.
00:02:18 Big claims of political parties.
00:02:20 Everyone is calling their Manchurian and Karkardi better.
00:02:28 The way to enlighten the lives of the poor is being celebrated all over the world.
00:02:34 Every map on paper is important for the poor.
00:02:39 In Pakistan, there is a lot of tension with children due to sexual harassment and harassment.
00:02:49 The role of parents and teachers is very important in the care of children.
00:02:53 They have to be explained by cutting the distance from children.
00:02:57 And the world of squash is full of Pakistani little stars.
00:03:00 The performance of the three sisters in the squash junior championship.
00:03:03 Mahnoor Mehwish Ali won the gold and Sehrish won the cash.
00:03:07 So let's start with the political scene.
00:03:20 As the days of the election are passing, we are getting closer to the elections.
00:03:24 The day is approaching.
00:03:26 It's February 8th.
00:03:28 The day we repeated it, you must have forgotten it.
00:03:33 The political parties should be in a good mood.
00:03:38 We have seen it during the election.
00:03:40 The year of the election is the year of the Jalsas.
00:03:44 Now the days are so many.
00:03:46 It will happen next month.
00:03:48 It's almost a month's time.
00:03:50 But the situation is that the Noom League has brought its manifesto.
00:03:56 It says that the Noom League has made a plan to solve the problems of the people.
00:04:04 And try to understand the difference between voting for those who break promises and those who fulfill promises.
00:04:12 So such statements are also coming out.
00:04:15 Yesterday, the CEC meeting was held at the People's Party.
00:04:20 Bilawal Bhutto spoke to them.
00:04:22 He said that the Noom League is a party of the PTI Ashrafiya.
00:04:25 We are a party of the poor.
00:04:27 The important point is that Bilawal Bhutto was named as the candidate for the Prime Minister.
00:04:35 Now tell me, in the intra-party elections, we already know who will be the chairman.
00:04:42 We know that it will be Maryam Nawaz, Nawaz Sharif or Bani PTI.
00:04:50 This is the most likely scenario.
00:04:52 Or it will be the People's Party.
00:04:54 Zardari had expressed his desire 6-7 months ago.
00:04:59 We knew that he did not need the approval of the CEC.
00:05:02 It is obvious that he said it, so it will happen.
00:05:04 Finally, the CEC has been approved.
00:05:06 But it is said that these platforms are very strong and they have a big say.
00:05:10 The real decisions are made here.
00:05:13 The full democracy is here.
00:05:15 This was obvious, but now we have an official version.
00:05:19 What was Bilawal saying? He has said many more things.
00:05:23 Let's see.
00:05:24 In the CEC meeting of the PTI, President Zardari has nominated me for the position of Prime Minister.
00:05:35 The PTI has a plan, a strategy, and you have seen it.
00:05:43 The CEC has also said that they cannot break this.
00:05:46 The legal difficulties for the Muslim League and the way of justice are to fight the elections.
00:05:53 It is difficult to expect from the judiciary that they will not be able to do this.
00:06:01 Either they will be able to do it or not.
00:06:04 The Muslim League has tried to stop the PTI by imposing the legal restrictions on the Muslim League.
00:06:10 Faiz Hamid has tried to impose the rules of justice on us and the PTI has to stay away from Punjab.
00:06:17 The city where the PTI was born, I have come back to fight the elections.
00:06:23 They have the courage to come and compete with me.
00:06:25 I don't know who will compete with me on the PTI side.
00:06:29 Who will compete with me on the side of the Moon League.
00:06:32 The other political parties in Pakistan will have the same strategy.
00:06:36 Either I will play or I will not let anyone play.
00:06:39 If I attack the Supreme Court, they will attack the Jinnah House in Kabri.
00:06:42 Then they will not be in the political sphere.
00:06:44 There will be a reaction from the state.
00:06:46 Not only will they have to suffer, but the entire democratic system will be harmed.
00:06:51 Faiz Issa has said that the elections will be held on February 8th.
00:06:55 And this is written on the stone.
00:06:57 It is not interesting whether both will be eligible or not.
00:07:00 This is a big thing. This is a very important point.
00:07:02 Mr. Khawar Guman is joining us. Let's talk to him.
00:07:05 Mr. Khawar Guman, a very good morning to you.
00:07:08 Please explain to me that the 16-month cassette is stuck in my mind.
00:07:14 It is not going anywhere.
00:07:16 Before that, the PTI chairman used to be called the target of criticism.
00:07:22 He was called a fool.
00:07:23 He used to call 10 types of things selected before that.
00:07:26 Now, he is saying that either both will be eligible or not.
00:07:36 Are you showing this way to the Supreme Court?
00:07:41 Look, it seems that the PTI and the PMJ are seeing that when we go to the field,
00:07:53 there should not be any competitor in front of us.
00:07:57 Obviously, in Punjab, we are seeing various surveys, various media houses,
00:08:04 various organizations are going to the field and talking to people.
00:08:09 On a daily basis, you are seeing that in various newspapers,
00:08:14 in various magazines, such things are being published that this party is strong in this circle,
00:08:19 this party is strong in this circle.
00:08:21 Now, I am seeing that you will remember that the day when the bullet was found,
00:08:30 that day, Mohsen Shahbaz Shaheed was in Karachi.
00:08:35 There, he gave a speech and said that how did this happen?
00:08:38 This is very wrong.
00:08:40 He felt that if the bullet was found, then the competition will be strong in Punjab.
00:08:47 Now, obviously, Mr. Balawar Bhutto Zardari is respected for us.
00:08:52 Welcome to Lahore, Pakistan People's Party, welcome to Punjab.
00:08:57 But the problem is that you go to a certain circle, go to a certain place and talk to people.
00:09:03 Ask people what they are thinking, what questions they are asking.
00:09:08 This game of power, that if that person is not eligible, then that person is not eligible,
00:09:14 if that person is not eligible, then that person should not be standing in front of me.
00:09:18 I don't know about them either.
00:09:20 Let's talk hypothetically, Khawar.
00:09:22 Bani PTI participates in this election in a new way, they are not eligible.
00:09:27 Nawaz Sharif has the sword of not eligible, that is also a problem.
00:09:31 So, if Shahbaz Sharif is there, then what a favorable situation can be for him,
00:09:35 as you are giving a hint, Balawar.
00:09:37 Look, you are absolutely right that if we use a very big force,
00:09:44 that if both those parties are not present, then despite this, I think there will be another party.
00:09:52 Then you saw that after the 2018 election, there was a third party, TLP.
00:09:57 They were in the third number, in every circle, they had the third number of votes.
00:10:04 Therefore, it is decided in Punjab that when the elections will be held on 8th February,
00:10:12 then the electoral battle in Punjab will be between Pakistan Muslim League Noon and Pakistan American.
00:10:23 Now they get a sword, they come without a sword, or they come with some other party.
00:10:31 One more thing, tell me, that clarity will come.
00:10:35 The forums of different political parties, on which debates are held,
00:10:40 on which a lot of value is given, that a lot of projects are done about it.
00:10:45 Like the PPPCEC, Noon League has its own forum.
00:10:50 What is their standing in this regard, in terms of decision-making?
00:10:56 Because sometimes we see that decisions are already made 6 months ago, 5 months ago,
00:11:01 and here they are presented only for approval or to show.
00:11:04 Is this the case, or is there any significance?
00:11:07 Look, at least in the past, we have seen this decision-making process.
00:11:15 Pakistan Muslim League is Noon, so there the meaning of decision-making is that,
00:11:20 Respected Nawaz Sharif was in jail, so he was running a party from there,
00:11:26 he was in London, so he was running a party from London,
00:11:29 now he is in Lahore, Pakistan, so you are seeing on the basis of daily life.
00:11:35 On everything, there is a person who is dominant on decision-making,
00:11:42 or whose words are obvious on the paper, that he is the same,
00:11:47 that Respected Nawaz Sharif is the same party.
00:11:51 Similarly, there is the Pakistan People's Party, so there today,
00:11:55 Zardari Sahib, or Zahira Bilal Bhutto, Zardari Sahib,
00:11:58 however much he has done in the past, recently, at Muthalat Jammu,
00:12:02 when he does Jalsa, then Zardari Sahib comes and says something.
00:12:05 So, he is a big Sahib, he is a big Sahib,
00:12:09 Zardari Sahib is a big Sahib in the Pakistan People's Party.
00:12:11 Similarly, there is the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
00:12:13 you know that recently, there was a petition in the Ramaz High Court,
00:12:18 that petition was accepted by Barrister Gohar,
00:12:21 that we have to take guidance, of course, he is the founder of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
00:12:25 so we have to take guidance from him,
00:12:28 we have to get permission to meet him for guidance,
00:12:31 and that, in the court,
00:12:33 This is the situation we get to see in the Cabinet as well.
00:12:35 Tell me one thing, these legal disputes,
00:12:39 PTI has a different nature, Muslim League Noon has also a different nature,
00:12:43 till when will all these things be clear,
00:12:47 how many days are there in the election,
00:12:49 so that it becomes clear, who is the candidate?
00:12:51 Till now, how will the candidates come in front of us,
00:12:55 that this competition is taking place from here,
00:12:57 then the party Mansoor is not being discussed in that way,
00:12:59 Noon League is not being held in that way,
00:13:01 Nawaz Sharif is not being interviewed,
00:13:03 TV appearance is not being seen,
00:13:05 so when will this start, and how much time is required for this?
00:13:09 See, in every way, the elections of 2024,
00:13:13 which are going to be held on 8th February,
00:13:15 they are of a very different nature,
00:13:18 obviously, in Punjab, you can see that Pakistan is a Muslim League Noon,
00:13:21 so when PDM was formed,
00:13:23 people supported them,
00:13:25 IPP was formed,
00:13:27 after that, you can see,
00:13:29 that they have made promises with some people,
00:13:31 on the basis of tickets, you are reading the news,
00:13:33 that the people to whom they have made promises,
00:13:35 are asking for tickets,
00:13:37 the loyalists of the party are saying,
00:13:39 Sir, if you don't give us tickets, we will fight the Azad,
00:13:41 there are a lot of problems,
00:13:43 you have promised with the Kaf League,
00:13:45 you have to make adjustments with them,
00:13:47 so you can say that it is a different kind of challenge,
00:13:49 that Pakistan is presenting to the Muslim League Noon,
00:13:51 and obviously, they are busy with it,
00:13:55 so there are problems inside the party,
00:13:57 with the distribution of tickets,
00:13:59 with the candidates,
00:14:01 and outside too, there are legal issues,
00:14:03 so that's it,
00:14:05 yes, exactly,
00:14:07 so all those problems are there,
00:14:09 your question is,
00:14:11 how long is this ongoing week,
00:14:13 I think, all the issues will be solved,
00:14:15 and this will impact the voters' mindset,
00:14:17 there is no clarity,
00:14:19 and secondly,
00:14:21 who has to vote, what has to be done,
00:14:23 exactly,
00:14:25 thank you so much, Khawar Ghuman sir, for being with us,
00:14:27 this is very,
00:14:29 there is no clarity,
00:14:31 there was no clarity in the first election,
00:14:33 but now there is clarity,
00:14:35 but sometimes, there is no clarity in the economic history,
00:14:37 now the hopefuls don't know,
00:14:39 now the hopefuls don't know,
00:14:41 you can see who has to give the tickets,
00:14:43 who has to give,
00:14:45 how to give, who has to vote,
00:14:47 if things are solved from the beginning,
00:14:49 think, Bilawal Gutto is saying,
00:14:51 I don't know,
00:14:53 who will I compete with,
00:14:55 just imagine,
00:14:57 and that too in Lahore,
00:14:59 you can imagine,
00:15:01 this is what is happening,
00:15:03 but he has shown a good path,
00:15:05 yes, he is very,
00:15:07 either I am two-faced,
00:15:09 or both are not,
00:15:11 so today,
00:15:13 Pakistan and the world,
00:15:15 are celebrating the day,
00:15:17 especially the way of education,
00:15:19 which is called Braille,
00:15:21 World Braille Day is being celebrated,
00:15:23 and this,
00:15:25 the French citizen, Louis Braille,
00:15:27 he, from today,
00:15:29 two centuries ago, imagine,
00:15:31 the people who are deprived of clarity,
00:15:33 his life was given the light of knowledge,
00:15:35 how, and very easily,
00:15:37 and in a way,
00:15:39 he invented a new and better way,
00:15:41 after which, in the whole world,
00:15:43 the way of studying and teaching
00:15:45 and reading,
00:15:47 is done through Braille,
00:15:49 which you are seeing now,
00:15:51 by touching with your fingers,
00:15:53 and you feel it,
00:15:55 the words are raised,
00:15:57 you see in your offices,
00:15:59 the lifts,
00:16:01 it is necessary everywhere,
00:16:03 the letters are raised,
00:16:05 and the reason is,
00:16:07 so that the people,
00:16:09 can easily judge,
00:16:11 and read,
00:16:13 and can guess,
00:16:15 and this is a beautiful way,
00:16:17 and now,
00:16:19 in our country,
00:16:21 the focus is less in Pakistan,
00:16:23 here,
00:16:25 the statistics of the people,
00:16:27 are not good,
00:16:29 the statistics are not good,
00:16:31 the statistics are more than 100,000,
00:16:33 but still,
00:16:35 the Braille books are not available,
00:16:37 and these are expensive,
00:16:39 and for the middle class,
00:16:41 it is not possible to buy them,
00:16:43 and we have with us,
00:16:45 Mr. Saqib Javed,
00:16:47 who is an advocate,
00:16:49 and a blind activist,
00:16:51 thank you very much,
00:16:53 Mr. Saqib, for being with us,
00:16:55 this is a way of Braille,
00:16:57 and we have given some details,
00:16:59 in Pakistan,
00:17:01 I am saying about the statistics,
00:17:03 I think,
00:17:05 the assessment is not good,
00:17:07 and if it is,
00:17:09 then why is the focus,
00:17:11 is not good,
00:17:13 in your opinion?
00:17:15 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful,
00:17:17 Assalam-o-Alaikum,
00:17:19 Assalam-o-Alaikum,
00:17:21 First of all,
00:17:23 there are two or three things,
00:17:25 first of all,
00:17:27 you said that in the lifts,
00:17:29 we have Braille in many places,
00:17:31 and not in many places,
00:17:33 it is a very beautiful thing,
00:17:35 basically, it should be everywhere,
00:17:37 and your question,
00:17:39 about the exact number of people,
00:17:41 unfortunately,
00:17:43 those who are in villages,
00:17:45 in villages,
00:17:47 in remote areas,
00:17:49 they have not been reported,
00:17:51 because neither the society believes them,
00:17:53 nor the people of their area,
00:17:55 sometimes,
00:17:57 we have seen them,
00:17:59 I should not say,
00:18:01 these are very strong words,
00:18:03 but sometimes,
00:18:05 it is difficult for them to consider a person,
00:18:07 so,
00:18:09 people are not recognized,
00:18:11 and Braille system is not enough,
00:18:13 Braille system,
00:18:15 because Braille system is a little expensive,
00:18:17 as you said in the beginning,
00:18:19 and,
00:18:21 Saqib, tell me one thing,
00:18:23 is it expensive across the world,
00:18:25 or are we talking about our country,
00:18:27 because when we see special person,
00:18:29 the government provides facilities for them,
00:18:31 even if the government has to provide funds,
00:18:33 is it only in our country,
00:18:35 or is it only in our country,
00:18:37 see,
00:18:39 in our country,
00:18:41 specifically,
00:18:43 because we are a non-developed country,
00:18:45 so,
00:18:47 as per that,
00:18:49 in the whole world,
00:18:51 because it is special,
00:18:53 I have a device,
00:18:55 if you can see the basic of Braille,
00:18:57 it is a very basic device,
00:18:59 but the process in this,
00:19:01 is very fast,
00:19:03 because
00:19:05 there is a stylus on it,
00:19:07 which you can press on the page,
00:19:09 and on the dots,
00:19:11 Braille language is a language
00:19:13 which runs on dots,
00:19:15 whatever will be on the paper,
00:19:17 you can give the dots,
00:19:19 and assign different numbers
00:19:21 to the dots,
00:19:23 like, if you see A,
00:19:25 you can press number 1,
00:19:27 then if you see B,
00:19:29 you can press number B1 and B2,
00:19:31 then if you press number B2,
00:19:33 then it will become B,
00:19:35 then if you see C,
00:19:37 then you can press 1 and 4,
00:19:39 like this,
00:19:41 I have taken it out,
00:19:43 you can see it,
00:19:45 so, this is A, B and C,
00:19:47 of Braille,
00:19:49 I have given this gap,
00:19:51 because I have written it in single letters,
00:19:53 if you write it in words,
00:19:55 then you will get confused.
00:19:57 Saqib, tell me one thing,
00:19:59 how much time does it take to learn Braille,
00:20:01 if a person is deprived of his sight,
00:20:03 and he wants to learn Braille,
00:20:05 so, does it naturally happen
00:20:07 that it is easy for him,
00:20:09 or does it take time
00:20:11 to learn it?
00:20:13 Definitely,
00:20:15 it depends person to person,
00:20:17 it cannot be told exactly,
00:20:19 the exact time,
00:20:21 because,
00:20:23 all the blind people,
00:20:25 their eyes,
00:20:27 these are their eyes,
00:20:29 these are their fingertips,
00:20:31 and,
00:20:33 how much touch sense do you have,
00:20:35 that you can touch and recognize
00:20:37 these words,
00:20:39 because, practice makes it so,
00:20:41 that as soon as your finger
00:20:43 touches a word,
00:20:45 you will know what is the word,
00:20:47 so, to learn it,
00:20:49 if you say an average,
00:20:51 then average is required
00:20:53 for 2 to 3 months,
00:20:55 but, I will show you,
00:20:57 it is a little advanced,
00:20:59 before that, there is a sixer,
00:21:01 in which you move the dots back and forth,
00:21:03 and teach a child,
00:21:05 then there is a Braille board,
00:21:07 and after that, there is a frame,
00:21:09 and now, there are computer imposers,
00:21:11 which you can use in your normal language,
00:21:13 the sighted language,
00:21:15 write in normal ABC,
00:21:17 and print it in Braille,
00:21:19 but, it is costly,
00:21:21 because, the Braille paper,
00:21:23 which you call a chart paper,
00:21:25 on which you draw,
00:21:27 in that, it is done,
00:21:29 because, it is an imposer,
00:21:31 it cannot be done in every paper,
00:21:33 so, is this device,
00:21:35 better as compared to the books,
00:21:37 if,
00:21:39 everyone has access to it,
00:21:41 and, it is commonly available,
00:21:43 do you think,
00:21:45 it can work better,
00:21:47 which device,
00:21:49 and,
00:21:51 where is it available,
00:21:53 this device,
00:21:55 yes, yes, this is common,
00:21:57 our centres,
00:21:59 schools, have it,
00:22:01 though, it is not in the same quantity,
00:22:03 as it should be,
00:22:05 sometimes, it is seen,
00:22:07 that people are sharing each frame,
00:22:09 as far as the book is concerned,
00:22:11 yesterday, I was talking about it,
00:22:13 with my friends,
00:22:15 because, now, the time of audio has come,
00:22:17 people listen to audio,
00:22:19 and, the importance of audio,
00:22:21 can never be finished in life,
00:22:23 because, to learn spelling,
00:22:25 and, you must have seen the book,
00:22:27 that the fun of reading,
00:22:29 is not of listening,
00:22:31 because, reading a book,
00:22:33 wherever you are sitting,
00:22:35 in a park,
00:22:37 it is a different experience,
00:22:39 of course, it is a very different experience,
00:22:41 so, the book is very important,
00:22:43 and, for this, the learners,
00:22:45 who teach,
00:22:47 how important it is,
00:22:49 to be qualified,
00:22:51 yes, absolutely,
00:22:53 I think, all your questions,
00:22:55 are the best questions,
00:22:57 because, the blind people,
00:22:59 they need,
00:23:01 in my opinion,
00:23:03 to teach a blind person,
00:23:05 as well as possible,
00:23:07 because, he has learnt it,
00:23:09 from childhood,
00:23:11 now, this device of our life,
00:23:13 is not going to be left,
00:23:15 in our mind,
00:23:17 to do this,
00:23:19 this, this, this, this,
00:23:21 so, the people,
00:23:23 who are going to teach,
00:23:25 generally, it is seen,
00:23:27 that, to get a degree,
00:23:29 they learn some basic things,
00:23:31 and, master in special education,
00:23:33 but, later, their grip,
00:23:35 is not on braille,
00:23:37 which should be,
00:23:39 because of which,
00:23:41 people have problems,
00:23:43 and, qualified people,
00:23:45 should have a mechanism,
00:23:47 that the government should focus on this,
00:23:49 and, the educationists should focus on this,
00:23:51 that qualified people should be brought,
00:23:53 who are two-numbers,
00:23:55 we have given this to every department,
00:23:57 thank you so much, Mr. Saqib Javed,
00:23:59 you are an advocate,
00:24:01 and a blind activist,
00:24:03 we are advocates,
00:24:05 and, how much knowledge can we get,
00:24:07 if we make it easy for them,
00:24:09 if Allah has not given one thing,
00:24:11 why can't we take advantage of it,
00:24:13 we need to think about it,
00:24:15 now, we will tell you about a woman,
00:24:17 who is deprived of her social power,
00:24:19 and, her social power,
00:24:21 but, despite this,
00:24:23 she does the business of cooking,
00:24:25 and, she takes orders in gestures,
00:24:27 alright, how does she do it,
00:24:29 you see, this is Rubina's report,
00:24:31 that is, if you want to do something,
00:24:33 then, nothing can stop you,
00:24:35 if you make this commitment,
00:24:37 if you have passion,
00:24:39 then, nothing is impossible,
00:24:41 absolutely, so, Mission Impossible,
00:24:43 is a break.
00:24:45 Welcome back, once again,
00:24:53 and, the news to you,
00:24:55 is from Islamabad,
00:24:57 the area of I-11,
00:24:59 there, the fire that is being lit in the wooden warehouse,
00:25:01 has been controlled,
00:25:03 and, the cooling process is going on,
00:25:05 Mr. Karnain is with us,
00:25:07 yes, absolutely,
00:25:09 this is the area of I-11,
00:25:11 where the fire was lit,
00:25:13 and, the fire was lit,
00:25:15 in the wooden warehouse,
00:25:17 and, after that,
00:25:19 the fire brigade vehicles have reached there,
00:25:21 and, they say that,
00:25:23 the fire has been controlled,
00:25:25 the cooling process is going on,
00:25:27 no damage has been done,
00:25:29 but, the warehouse has been damaged,
00:25:31 alright, alright, Mr. Karnain Haider,
00:25:33 thank you very much,
00:25:35 and,
00:25:37 we move on to another topic,
00:25:39 which is very sensitive,
00:25:41 and, we see,
00:25:43 such incidents occur all over the world,
00:25:45 but, when they make a law,
00:25:47 take a step,
00:25:49 then, the incidents start decreasing,
00:25:51 but, this does not happen in Pakistan,
00:25:53 most of the time,
00:25:55 here, I am talking about the incidents of sexual violence
00:25:57 and harassment with children,
00:25:59 in that regard,
00:26:01 with every passing year,
00:26:03 these incidents are increasing,
00:26:05 and, we see,
00:26:07 whether it is the domestic workers,
00:26:09 who are being abused,
00:26:11 or, they are being raped,
00:26:13 and, then, they are murdered,
00:26:15 you must remember,
00:26:17 the Zainab murder case,
00:26:19 after that, the media was in a frenzy,
00:26:21 and, the question was being asked,
00:26:23 how will these incidents be stopped,
00:26:25 then, Zainab Alert was made,
00:26:27 then, what decisions were made,
00:26:29 now, these incidents will not be allowed,
00:26:31 but, now,
00:26:33 there is a new thing,
00:26:35 but, there is a new thing,
00:26:37 to be implemented on them,
00:26:39 I am surprised,
00:26:41 that, now, digital media,
00:26:43 social media, awareness,
00:26:45 and, accessibility,
00:26:47 how to tackle these issues,
00:26:49 in the world,
00:26:51 in the west,
00:26:53 Amber Alert,
00:26:55 if it is used,
00:26:57 then, the results are also there,
00:26:59 it is not that,
00:27:01 if the system is strong,
00:27:03 then, many things can be stopped,
00:27:05 in the beginning,
00:27:07 the Ahle Khana has a big role,
00:27:09 that they have kept a watch on many things,
00:27:11 so, with us, now, is present,
00:27:13 from Sindh Education and Literacy Department,
00:27:15 Mr. Hamid Alwani,
00:27:17 who has played a prominent role,
00:27:19 in investigating and organizing,
00:27:21 the rape of children,
00:27:23 thank you so much, for joining us,
00:27:25 thank you for inviting me,
00:27:27 you see, we have covered some aspects,
00:27:29 and, we have come to the news,
00:27:31 nowadays, TV, mainstream media,
00:27:33 social media, everyone has a mobile phone,
00:27:35 access can be done,
00:27:37 can be reached, can be caught,
00:27:39 despite that, the number of cases,
00:27:41 has increased, why?
00:27:43 Actually, first of all,
00:27:45 we have to pay attention to awareness,
00:27:47 awareness, in whom?
00:27:49 awareness in children, first of all,
00:27:51 see, this is a triangular, children, parents, teachers,
00:27:53 we have to make the children aware,
00:27:55 that how they have to prevent themselves,
00:27:57 what safety measures they have to take,
00:27:59 similarly, we have to tell parents,
00:28:01 about the role of parenting,
00:28:03 that parenting,
00:28:05 exactly, parenting role,
00:28:07 is only for our children, similarly,
00:28:09 our teachers, they are not so sensitized,
00:28:11 is there any way,
00:28:13 to tell parents,
00:28:15 how to tell them, because,
00:28:17 has any work been done on this?
00:28:19 no, on this, in our case, everyone is doing their work,
00:28:21 but, on this, collective work,
00:28:23 is not seen, the biggest example,
00:28:25 is this, that you see,
00:28:27 in 2019, 2846 cases,
00:28:29 were reported,
00:28:31 child sexual abuse,
00:28:33 I am talking about sexual abuse, which was reported,
00:28:35 like you said, social, electronic media,
00:28:37 print media, which are not reported,
00:28:39 their numbers are very high,
00:28:41 then in 2020, it increased to 2950,
00:28:43 then in 2020,
00:28:45 from 2021,
00:28:47 it increased to 3852,
00:28:49 then in 2022, it increased to 4253,
00:28:51 now at the end of 2023,
00:28:53 it increased to 45,
00:28:55 see, here,
00:28:57 but, one more aspect,
00:28:59 these incidents, which have been reported,
00:29:01 multiply them,
00:29:03 there will be so many incidents, which are not reported,
00:29:05 multiply them more,
00:29:07 there are so many incidents, which are happening,
00:29:09 which no one knows,
00:29:11 so, reporting is not done,
00:29:13 see, in this,
00:29:15 we have many hurdles,
00:29:17 see, there is no role of parenting,
00:29:19 our children,
00:29:21 are not able to be aware,
00:29:23 we do not have awareness in schools,
00:29:25 see, we can do it through audios,
00:29:27 through videos, through cartoons,
00:29:29 through charts, we can do it,
00:29:31 now, I am being a civil servant,
00:29:33 I am a civil servant, voluntarily,
00:29:35 I go to every district,
00:29:37 I went to Thatta, Sejawal, Tandru Mohammed Khan,
00:29:39 Hyderabad, I collected parents,
00:29:41 collected students of school,
00:29:43 contacted concerned SSP,
00:29:45 why police, because we are not sensitized at all,
00:29:47 if a child is abused,
00:29:49 first of all, we are not police friendly,
00:29:51 people are afraid while going to police station,
00:29:53 if they go, if there is an elder of the village,
00:29:55 if there is a father in the family,
00:29:57 till the time they go,
00:29:59 till the time, the evidences of that child,
00:30:01 are missed, or mismatched,
00:30:03 it is a time of 48 hours,
00:30:05 in this, you talked about Zainab Alert Bill,
00:30:07 if you read Zainab Alert Bill, Mr. Ashfaq,
00:30:09 after that, you will say,
00:30:11 there is no need of any kind of child abuse,
00:30:13 means, in 48 hours,
00:30:15 you have to report,
00:30:17 if he does not do SHO, FIR,
00:30:19 then not only,
00:30:21 he will be jailed for 2 years,
00:30:23 1 lakh fine is there,
00:30:25 and termination is there from service,
00:30:27 similarly, if he is a culprit,
00:30:29 he has to pay 1 million 10 lakhs,
00:30:31 14 years of imprisonment,
00:30:33 similarly, SPD trial,
00:30:35 in 3 months, special court is made,
00:30:37 what is the reason,
00:30:39 why there is no implementation,
00:30:41 that is implementation, lack of implementation,
00:30:43 the reason is that,
00:30:45 the child protection authority,
00:30:47 in every district,
00:30:49 I am talking about Sindh,
00:30:51 in every district,
00:30:53 there is a child protection authority,
00:30:55 its helpline number is 0211121,
00:30:57 you just met, non-functional,
00:30:59 your helpline number,
00:31:01 I am talking about Sindh, 021,
00:31:03 so, now, the child protection authority,
00:31:05 an officer of 18th grade,
00:31:07 is present in every district,
00:31:09 what is his job,
00:31:11 to create awareness,
00:31:13 so, the number 021121,
00:31:15 this is a child helpline,
00:31:17 please try to see,
00:31:19 if the number is connected or not,
00:31:21 because Alvani sir is saying,
00:31:23 it is non-functional,
00:31:25 so, we also know,
00:31:27 what is the reason,
00:31:29 so, the role of awareness,
00:31:31 is that, if you see your child,
00:31:33 where is he going,
00:31:35 with whom is he going,
00:31:37 who is his friend on social media,
00:31:39 what is he seeing,
00:31:41 is he safe at home,
00:31:43 or the child who goes out,
00:31:45 because he does not have a computer,
00:31:47 he does not have a mobile,
00:31:49 that child is more vulnerable,
00:31:51 what are the circumstances,
00:31:53 see, the circumstances are,
00:31:55 90% of the people are your acquaintances,
00:31:57 who know you,
00:31:59 uncle, uncle, neighbor, driver,
00:32:01 labor, watchman,
00:32:03 teacher,
00:32:05 all these are van drivers,
00:32:07 the acquaintances are actually,
00:32:09 the people involved,
00:32:11 because the abuser,
00:32:13 always finds a soft target,
00:32:15 and he is knowledgeable,
00:32:17 and we see,
00:32:19 the role of parenting is,
00:32:21 there is a communication gap,
00:32:23 if a child is not sitting in his uncle's lap,
00:32:25 we force him to sit in his uncle's lap,
00:32:27 if the child is uncomfortable,
00:32:29 and if the child needs to say something,
00:32:31 we give a shut up call,
00:32:33 you trust your child,
00:32:35 one more thing,
00:32:37 if a child comes from outside,
00:32:39 we say, how was your day?
00:32:41 you try to communicate differently,
00:32:43 what was your most happiest moment of the day,
00:32:45 this is taught,
00:32:47 what was the moment that made you sad,
00:32:49 what was the moment when you were excited,
00:32:51 was there a moment when you felt scared,
00:32:53 we ask such different questions,
00:32:55 what is hypocrisy in our society,
00:32:57 how are you,
00:32:59 I am fine, everything is fine,
00:33:01 nothing is fine inside,
00:33:03 we transfer the same mentality to children,
00:33:05 we do not discuss the sensitive body parts,
00:33:07 with the children,
00:33:09 we are reluctant,
00:33:11 one issue that parents face,
00:33:13 is that,
00:33:15 why are we feeding these things,
00:33:17 to such small children,
00:33:19 I am the same,
00:33:21 when I come to deliver this lecture,
00:33:23 how many people ask me,
00:33:25 you are ending the innocence of the child,
00:33:27 you are saying such things,
00:33:29 that innocent child will be a victim,
00:33:31 everyone thinks,
00:33:33 this cannot happen with our child,
00:33:35 they are safe,
00:33:37 they are thinking like that,
00:33:39 but there are many such cases,
00:33:41 and the post scenarios are very dangerous,
00:33:43 I have made a presentation,
00:33:45 in which I have made a picture,
00:33:47 how to prevent yourself,
00:33:49 I have made it pictorial,
00:33:51 we have not shown it,
00:33:53 in that pictorial picture,
00:33:55 you can see,
00:33:57 the situation has been given to the child,
00:33:59 if the neighbor tries to do something,
00:34:01 we have small tips for the parents,
00:34:03 the tuition teacher comes to the house,
00:34:05 we lock the room,
00:34:07 we say, you are locked in the room,
00:34:09 you need something,
00:34:11 give water, tea, or voice,
00:34:13 if the tuition teacher comes to teach,
00:34:15 we should save such a place in the corridor,
00:34:17 from where the family can see from a distance,
00:34:19 and they can come and go,
00:34:21 such a place, from where everyone can see,
00:34:23 if the tuition teacher is strict,
00:34:25 if the child is weak in studies,
00:34:27 then the parents will say,
00:34:29 if the child is being abused,
00:34:31 he will not tell the parents,
00:34:33 because he does not trust the parents,
00:34:35 exactly, we should trust our children,
00:34:37 when our child tries to say something,
00:34:39 we give him a shut up call,
00:34:41 your teacher can't be like this,
00:34:43 your uncle can't be like this,
00:34:45 Mr. Alwani, one more thing,
00:34:47 I see this, when I travel in the car,
00:34:49 in different areas of Karachi,
00:34:51 I see small children,
00:34:53 children under 10 years,
00:34:55 without parental guidance,
00:34:57 they are roaming with the adults,
00:34:59 they can be kidnapped,
00:35:01 they can be harmed,
00:35:03 I believe that the police should be there,
00:35:05 but the role of the state comes later,
00:35:07 first the role of the family comes,
00:35:09 on this, the children fall into the gutter,
00:35:11 innocent children, 2-3 years old,
00:35:13 yes, this is bad in our country,
00:35:15 things should be better in our country,
00:35:17 but first of all,
00:35:19 why don't the parents realize,
00:35:21 that they should be protected in the four walls of the house,
00:35:23 in some way,
00:35:25 parenting is very important,
00:35:27 because I always say,
00:35:29 look at the child,
00:35:31 from 24 hours to 15 hours,
00:35:33 he spends at home,
00:35:35 and the age bracket of abuse,
00:35:37 is 5-6 years to 15-16 years,
00:35:39 these children,
00:35:41 mostly are abused,
00:35:43 and when the child is small,
00:35:45 his role model is his father,
00:35:47 he assumes him as a hero,
00:35:49 when we don't properly parent him at home,
00:35:51 and don't give him vigilance,
00:35:53 and keep communication gap,
00:35:55 and are not friendly,
00:35:57 ultimately,
00:35:59 in our society,
00:36:01 if there is a family,
00:36:03 which is earning from the father,
00:36:05 he comes home, tired,
00:36:07 and the burden of the family,
00:36:09 is more non-communicative,
00:36:11 the father is seen as a danger,
00:36:13 that your father will come,
00:36:15 and you will be silent,
00:36:17 so these things,
00:36:19 the world changes,
00:36:21 but do something,
00:36:23 spend some time with your children,
00:36:25 check their bags,
00:36:27 check their mobile,
00:36:29 and one more blunder,
00:36:31 when our children,
00:36:33 go to the doctor,
00:36:35 the parents sit outside,
00:36:37 whenever they check up,
00:36:39 they make the child aware,
00:36:41 that you call my parents inside,
00:36:43 so these small things,
00:36:45 are big tips for the parents,
00:36:47 with this they can prevent the children,
00:36:49 from doing such things,
00:36:51 so today,
00:36:53 12 children,
00:36:55 are facing child sexual abuse,
00:36:57 and these figures,
00:36:59 are increasing day by day,
00:37:01 and with this,
00:37:03 when doctors,
00:37:05 are doing X-rays,
00:37:07 and tests,
00:37:09 so there also,
00:37:11 it is mandatory,
00:37:13 that a female nurse is there,
00:37:15 if not, then you go,
00:37:17 these small things,
00:37:19 are mandatory,
00:37:21 unfortunately,
00:37:23 in private schools,
00:37:25 the fees structure,
00:37:27 the counsellor is charged,
00:37:29 the psychiatrist is also charged,
00:37:31 but there is no psychiatrist,
00:37:33 otherwise,
00:37:35 if you go to rural areas,
00:37:37 there is no concept,
00:37:39 so this has a big role,
00:37:41 the society,
00:37:43 the parents,
00:37:45 are not friendly,
00:37:47 they say,
00:37:49 you will get a loafer,
00:37:51 he will come in the evening,
00:37:53 till then,
00:37:55 the symptoms,
00:37:57 get misused,
00:37:59 get mismatched,
00:38:01 unfortunately,
00:38:03 you have to wait for hours,
00:38:05 that he is on call,
00:38:07 he comes now,
00:38:09 he comes tomorrow,
00:38:11 so we think,
00:38:13 I will brief you in 2 minutes,
00:38:15 what do you do before,
00:38:17 if the child has given Rs. 20,
00:38:19 you hold his hand,
00:38:21 then he says, come son,
00:38:23 it is your shop,
00:38:25 come inside,
00:38:27 what do you want,
00:38:29 you take it out yourself,
00:38:31 then ultimately,
00:38:33 he says,
00:38:35 there are chips in the back,
00:38:37 there is cotton,
00:38:39 there are toffees,
00:38:41 he will get awareness,
00:38:43 these are the topics,
00:38:45 we will talk more on,
00:38:47 the role of parents is big,
00:38:49 teach your children,
00:38:51 and the way you can contact,
00:38:53 the helpers,
00:38:55 where you can search online,
00:38:57 activate them first,
00:38:59 we will take a break,
00:39:01 after the break.
00:39:03 (Music)
00:39:05 (Music)
00:39:07 (Music)
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00:39:13 (Speaks in Hindi)
00:39:15 (Speaks in Hindi)
00:39:17 (Speaks in Hindi)
00:39:19 (Speaks in Hindi)
00:39:21 they take money from you and make a receipt for you. They are making more money than this.
00:39:26 But nothing is done. We always raise this issue. It is said that it is in the control of KMC.
00:39:34 It is in the control of so and so. They are telling us their jurisdictions.
00:39:39 Do you know what happens sometimes? They threaten you. If you don't do this, then this will happen.
00:39:43 The car will move, someone will take the tyre, someone will break the window like this.
00:39:46 When you park a car in a wrong place, you should know that it is wrong.
00:39:52 You will park it where it is written as no parking.
00:39:55 Thousands of cars are picked up from there and millions of rupees are charged.
00:39:58 But do you know when the problem happens?
00:40:00 When their cars are pulled in this way, they are harmed.
00:40:05 This is a big problem. Afzal Khan is reporting from this issue.
00:40:08 In the world of squash, Pakistan's little stars have come on our show before.
00:40:16 Their brothers also play squash very well.
00:40:20 But their sisters show great performance.
00:40:24 They also have great conversations.
00:40:26 Mahesh Mahnoor and Sehrish won gold and silver medals in the Scottish Junior Squash Championship.
00:40:33 Mahnoor helped the Indian player to reach the finals in the U-11 category.
00:40:38 I am very happy for you Mahnoor.
00:40:39 Mahesh Mahnoor also won in the U-15 category.
00:40:43 Sehrish Ali has won a bronze medal.
00:40:46 Mahesh and Mahnoor are with us today to talk to us.
00:40:51 Let's talk to them. Thank you so much Mahnoor and Sehrish.
00:40:54 Mahesh.
00:40:55 Sehrish is with us.
00:40:56 Sehrish is not with us now. Congratulations to both of you.
00:41:01 In such a small age, you have won such big things.
00:41:03 First tell us how does it feel to win a gold medal?
00:41:09 Sehrish, you tell us.
00:41:10 Hello.
00:41:13 You are right.
00:41:15 It is a very big thing when you win a gold medal.
00:41:23 It is a very big thing.
00:41:26 There is a different feeling that I am not able to express.
00:41:32 You go to Pakistan and you are surprised.
00:41:36 Everyone knows that you are from Pakistan.
00:41:39 It is a very good feeling.
00:41:40 Great.
00:41:41 Yes, very good.
00:41:42 Mahnoor, tell me.
00:41:43 I always thought that you are very fast from both of them.
00:41:47 But you defeated the Indian player.
00:41:49 How do you feel?
00:41:50 Did you bother Sehrish that you won a bronze medal and I won a gold medal?
00:41:55 No, it is not like that.
00:41:56 His matches were under 13.
00:42:00 Okay.
00:42:02 And as you said, you defeated the Indian player.
00:42:05 So, three players from India were playing against us.
00:42:09 So, I had to play against everyone.
00:42:12 I defeated the Indian player.
00:42:16 I won the match.
00:42:20 So, I had to play against the Indian player.
00:42:24 Mahnoor and Mahwish, we will try to connect with you again.
00:42:28 Your voice is not reaching us.
00:42:31 It is breaking.
00:42:32 Yes, the voice is breaking.
00:42:34 But they have such a great confidence.
00:42:36 And the great thing is that they have a bonding and chemistry.
00:42:41 You can see rivalry in it.
00:42:42 Mahnoor talks very well.
00:42:45 She was with us in the show.
00:42:46 We will connect with her again.
00:42:48 But we will take a break.
00:42:49 We will come back after the break.
00:42:50 You don't have to go anywhere.
00:43:09 As we told you before the break, we have the little stars of squash.
00:43:15 Mahnoor and Mahwish.
00:43:16 We were talking to them.
00:43:18 First, Mahnoor will tell me about your success.
00:43:24 Do you have rivalry and jealousy among sisters?
00:43:29 Is there a competition?
00:43:30 If someone is performing better than you, what is the bonding like?
00:43:37 We fight a lot, but we support each other.
00:43:43 We help each other, but we solve it.
00:43:50 We are sportsmen, so we can understand each other.
00:43:54 We care for each other.
00:43:58 If someone is not feeling well, we take a break.
00:44:04 We help each other.
00:44:07 So bonding is very good.
00:44:09 It's 4 o'clock in the evening.
00:44:15 They are talking to us.
00:44:18 Mahwish, tell me.
00:44:21 Who do you think is better at the game?
00:44:25 We have talked about this before.
00:44:27 What do you want?
00:44:28 A fight?
00:44:29 Generally, Mahwish.
00:44:32 I play very well.
00:44:36 I have taken part in the game before.
00:44:40 I train more.
00:44:42 We have different levels.
00:44:46 We train according to our categories.
00:44:50 I will be under 17 this year.
00:44:54 I will work harder and start training more.
00:45:00 We train according to our level.
00:45:04 Sometimes we get jealous.
00:45:08 We don't get jealous.
00:45:11 Mahwish, you have given bronze to Sehrish.
00:45:15 Friends and relatives come to you.
00:45:20 They try to make you play better.
00:45:25 How do you tackle that?
00:45:28 Sorry?
00:45:31 You didn't hear the question.
00:45:36 You keep talking to each other.
00:45:40 But sometimes relatives say that you did well.
00:45:44 How do you tackle that?
00:45:49 If a relative says that.
00:45:52 Or someone in our family.
00:45:55 Especially, brother.
00:45:58 He says that she plays better.
00:46:01 We compare.
00:46:03 We say that we play well.
00:46:06 We support each other.
00:46:08 If we don't support each other, who will?
00:46:12 We understand each other.
00:46:15 We handle it.
00:46:17 We don't have competition.
00:46:20 We train.
00:46:21 Who trains more?
00:46:23 If he trains more, I will double it.
00:46:26 Great.
00:46:28 Manoor has become very smart.
00:46:30 Thank you so much, Manoor.
00:46:32 Best wishes for Sehrish.
00:46:34 Thank you both.
00:46:36 May God give you more success.
00:46:39 You have been told an important news.
00:46:43 I will share it with you.
00:46:46 The court has announced the decision to withdraw the PTI election.
00:46:50 Lahore High Court has withdrawn the request.
00:46:54 Abid Khan is with us.
00:46:56 Tell us about it.
00:46:58 Lahore High Court Justice Jawad Hassan has given his decision.
00:47:04 The court has withdrawn the request to withdraw the PTI election.
00:47:11 The court has said that Goa Khan has become the chairman.
00:47:16 Election results have been given to the election commission.
00:47:19 Election commission has not given the results.
00:47:22 The decision has been withdrawn.
00:47:24 Peshawar High Court has also withdrawn the request.
00:47:28 The court has said that they have also requested the election commission.
00:47:33 But they have not been able to do it.
00:47:35 We are facing difficulties in front of the ROs.
00:47:37 The court has withdrawn the request.
00:47:42 The lawyer has opposed it.
00:47:45 The case of Faizabad Darnay is also applicable to Bani PTI and PTI.
00:47:52 They have also been accused of hate speech.
00:47:56 They cannot be given the election result.
00:47:59 Justice Jawad Hassan has given his decision.
00:48:01 The court has said that the request has been withdrawn.
00:48:06 Thank you so much Abid.
00:48:08 Another news is about Fawad Chaudhary.
00:48:15 The court has approved the appeal for the hearing.
00:48:21 The hearing is scheduled for 7th January.
00:48:31 The court has also approved the appeal for the hearing.
00:48:43 Let's talk to Babur Malik.
00:48:45 On behalf of the chairman PTI,
00:48:49 Omar Niazi, Raja Yafzash Sharif, Malik Jawad Asghar and Bais Salami have presented their cases.
00:48:56 The court has also approved the appeal for the hearing.
00:49:04 The court has also approved the appeal for the hearing.
00:49:16 The court has also approved the appeal for the hearing.
00:49:27 Thank you.
00:49:29 The flight operation is under threat.
00:49:47 The flight operation is under threat.
00:50:02 Let's talk to Salahuddin.
00:50:04 What is the situation?
00:50:06 Where is the flight being diverted?
00:50:09 The flight operation is under threat.
00:50:23 The flight is being diverted.
00:50:51 The flight is being diverted.
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