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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mary Ameem and today's top stories are that the Supreme Court has
00:14 taken a veto from PTI.
00:15 What will be the strategy of Pakistan Tariq-e-Jaafi and will it go into review?
00:18 Apart from this, are they withdrawing their petition regarding the level playing field?
00:21 We will ask a lot of such questions in the first part of the program.
00:24 After that, which are the interesting circles?
00:26 Who are the candidates?
00:27 Now that the candidates of Tariq-e-Jaafi have got individual signs, there is a little
00:32 more layer and complexity.
00:33 We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:36 And finally, the election has been postponed.
00:38 A third resolution has been submitted in the Senate.
00:41 What is the need of a third resolution now?
00:44 And where are these resolutions coming from and why are they coming?
00:47 We will talk about this in the program.
00:49 Let's start.
00:50 The Supreme Court has given a very big decision.
00:53 It is the history of Pakistan.
00:55 There is a landmark judgment and criticism is also being done on it.
00:58 But this landmark judgment is because a political party has now come out of the race of the
01:03 election before the election.
01:05 So, in the upcoming general election, more or less, the trends may be decided in the
01:10 context of this decision.
01:12 What is this decision?
01:14 This decision says that the Supreme Court has declared the decision of the Peshawar
01:18 High Court as invalid and has also taken back the electoral sign of the ballot from
01:21 PTI.
01:22 The point to be noted here is that this decision was unanimously given.
01:26 This decision has come to the public yesterday from 3-0.
01:29 Three members of the bench participated in the nomination of Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa.
01:33 Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar and Justice Musarrat Hilali were included in the bench.
01:37 The decision was unanimously given.
01:39 On 8 June 2022, PTI held elections.
01:42 But according to the decision of the Election Commission on 13 September 2023, PTI failed
01:46 to hold transparent elections.
01:48 Instead of following the section 215/5 of the Election Act, PTI filed a request in the
01:53 Lahore High Court.
01:54 On the request of PTI, a five-member bench was formed in the Lahore High Court, on which
01:58 the matter is under investigation.
02:00 During the request in the Lahore High Court, PTI held intraparty elections on 2 December
02:04 2023.
02:05 PTI did not take back its request in the Lahore High Court even after the re-election.
02:10 After the intraparty election, multiple complaints came forward in the Election Commission,
02:14 on which PTI issued a notice.
02:16 On the request of PTI, Peshawar High Court asked the Election Commission to decide on
02:20 intraparty elections by 22 December.
02:22 Peshawar High Court did not state that the request is under investigation in front of
02:27 a five-member bench in the Lahore High Court.
02:30 If one case is under investigation in one High Court, then the second High Court cannot
02:34 be challenged.
02:35 The Election Commission said on 22 December that PTI did not hold transparent elections
02:39 and took back the electoral sign from PTI.
02:41 PTI accused the Election Commission of discriminatory treatment.
02:44 The Election Commission said on the court inquiry that 13 more electoral signs were
02:49 taken back.
02:50 Peshawar High Court's rebuttal to Section 2155 of the Election Act was against the request
02:55 in front of them.
02:56 It is not proven that PTI held intraparty elections.
02:59 In Pakistan, political parties have to hold intraparty elections.
03:03 PTI did not tell the Election Commission where the intraparty elections were held.
03:08 Pakistan came into existence from the Republic.
03:10 Democracy cannot run in Pakistan.
03:12 This is why the Election Commission's decision on 22 December 2023 is being revoked.
03:17 The Supreme Court has given this decision.
03:19 It is obvious that there was disappointment after this decision was presented.
03:22 What is the reaction of the Justice Minister?
03:25 There has been a new wave of additions to the Supreme Court's unacceptable and controversial
03:29 decisions.
03:30 We are very disappointed with this decision.
03:32 We will review this decision.
03:34 All our candidates will fight an independent election.
03:37 This will start corruption.
03:39 The Supreme Court has given this decision.
03:42 Peshawar High Court rejected the PTI's decision.
03:45 The decision was taken away from PTI.
03:47 History will decide on this decision.
03:49 The party is still registered.
03:51 This decision has been announced.
03:53 The party was not involved in this.
03:56 In our history, this has not happened.
03:59 This has not happened.
04:01 This has not happened.
04:03 This has not happened.
04:05 The party was not involved in this.
04:07 This has not happened.
04:09 In our history, this has not happened.
04:11 I can say that we are very disappointed with the reaction you were talking about.
04:16 Other political parties should learn this lesson that what is happening with a party,
04:22 it can happen with them too.
04:25 But obviously, political parties will not learn this lesson and will continue to facilitate.
04:30 I am absolutely sure about this.
04:33 Before we move ahead, we have with us Mr. Rahul Fasan, translator.
04:37 First, we will ask him questions about the legal proceedings.
04:40 Then, we will talk about his political decisions and their strategies.
04:44 Thank you, Mr. Rahul.
04:46 Thank you.
04:47 The question is very clear.
04:49 You guys were shopping on the forums.
04:51 You first requested the Lahore High Court.
04:53 Then, you went to Peshawar High Court.
04:55 You did not tell us that you were already hearing about this case in Lahore.
05:00 Then, you came to the Supreme Court.
05:02 You kept on requesting on every forum.
05:05 You did not inform us.
05:07 You kept on running multiple parallel cases.
05:09 And as a legal team, a party which is run by all lawyers,
05:14 this was a flawed legal strategy according to that decision.
05:18 It is better that our legal team answer this.
05:24 But as far as I have understood and I have information on both the bases,
05:28 I can say that for a long time, particularly since our party was removed from the government,
05:35 we were not getting justice from the courts.
05:37 So, we were trying our best to approach the avenues where we were getting justice.
05:44 If this is against any legal practice, I cannot comment on that.
05:50 But, we went to the forums and tried to get justice from there.
05:56 On a couple of occasions, particularly from Peshawar High Court,
06:00 we appeal that they have made the right decision.
06:02 As far as the Supreme Court is concerned, we did not go to the Supreme Court.
06:06 The Election Commission of Pakistan went there.
06:08 Ultimately, they had to come.
06:10 It kind of reflects also on the state of the judiciary in the country.
06:14 As Mr. Hamid Khan has said, it is a sad situation that the courts are making decisions
06:22 against the requirements of the constitution and it seems that they are propelled by an agenda.
06:28 There are two points in this.
06:29 These two things cannot be mutually exclusive.
06:32 One fact is that the elections of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf were not held in accordance with the transparency that was supposed to be done.
06:41 And the second fact is that this is a very controversial decision
06:44 and it is not appropriate to remove a popular community before the election in the interest of a greater national interest.
06:51 But if the people of the city were cruel, you would have also liked to die.
06:54 If you had made the elections appropriate, then perhaps this opportunity would not have come.
06:58 We strongly feel and our belief is that these elections have been held in accordance with our constitution.
07:04 And in the same way, all the other political parties,
07:08 in fact, I came up with two more programs and actually challenged the Election Commission
07:12 to show us the election results of any political party, which is different from this.
07:17 Single panel elections are held in half a room.
07:21 Why did we go to Peshawar?
07:23 We wrote a letter to the Election Commission to provide us with security.
07:27 We wrote to the Islamabad administration to provide security.
07:31 The Election Commission wrote to Islamabad and a few other places under its covering letter to provide security.
07:39 We were not provided security.
07:41 We were only committed to providing security in Peshawar.
07:46 That was the reason we went to Peshawar and held the elections in Chamkani.
07:50 The rest of the preparatory work was done in our Central Secretariat.
07:56 It was in Islamabad. I used to sit there.
07:59 We collected all the nominations.
08:02 Everything came and the panel was made.
08:04 It was Mr. Khan's panel.
08:06 No one was ready to stand against Mr. Khan's panel.
08:08 The Election Commission told me that our constitution was violated there.
08:13 There were 16 people who testified in the court that they wanted to participate in the elections.
08:16 They did not let them participate.
08:18 I was sitting in the party office.
08:21 We had time till 3 pm to collect our nomination papers.
08:27 Between 4.30 pm and 5.45 pm, Akbar Babar came there with a few of his cameramen.
08:35 It was not 4.45 pm. It was past 3 pm.
08:39 Even after Akbar Babar came, he did not express his desire to collect the nomination papers.
08:46 He was never interested in taking part in the elections.
08:48 Akbar Babar came there, recorded the videos and left.
08:52 That is what he did.
08:54 This is the reality. I have seen it with my own eyes.
08:57 Akbar Babar's claim that he wanted to participate in the elections is wrong.
09:00 He wanted to disrupt the process of the elections is true.
09:03 What is the way forward?
09:05 You are going to the elections. Although, it is a unanimous decision.
09:08 It will not make a difference.
09:09 But, you are going to the elections for the sake of the elections.
09:11 I personally think that we should not go to the elections.
09:13 You have taken a policy decision on the petition of the level playing field.
09:18 Do you want to withdraw it?
09:21 We are not withdrawing it.
09:23 It is okay.
09:24 Because, it is a reality that the level playing field will not be there.
09:27 We will fight it.
09:28 We will continue our legal battle.
09:30 Along with that, we will prepare for the elections.
09:32 In hindsight, you removed the statement of Sh. Afzal Marwat from the party agenda.
09:37 It became a controversy.
09:39 In hindsight, was his statement right?
09:42 Which statement? He has made two or three statements.
09:44 He has made statements where he says that we should take an aggressive position.
09:47 We will not take an aggressive position.
09:49 We believe in institutions. This is a party position.
09:52 We believe in institutions. We will continue to believe in them.
09:56 But, it is also a reality that we are not getting justice from the institutions.
10:00 We will continue to express that.
10:02 But, it does not mean that we will fight the institutions.
10:04 We will not fight anyone.
10:05 We will not fight anyone.
10:06 We will continue our struggle within the limits of the law and the constitution.
10:11 Okay. Let us move ahead.
10:12 Yesterday, there was a twist in the story of the PTI.
10:15 Later, there was a press conference.
10:17 There was a petition in front of the audience.
10:19 Quickly, two or three questions.
10:20 First of all, there is a petition in which there are signatures of Mr. Darshan.
10:24 The second petition where someone had to sign for the movement was empty.
10:30 Why was that?
10:31 The very fact that there is a second place for the signatures only proves that there were other signatures.
10:37 I do not know which one you have seen.
10:38 The signatures are present in the one which is present with us.
10:41 Whose? Sorry, I missed it.
10:42 Whose signature is that?
10:43 The signature of the chairman.
10:45 Chairman? Okay.
10:46 This was the condition.
10:47 Both of them signed and then left.
10:50 Unfortunately, the tradition of people disappearing is not ending.
10:55 After that, they also disappeared.
10:57 When they reappeared, the same thing happened as there were press conferences earlier.
11:01 This was another press conference.
11:02 That is very unfortunate.
11:04 Absolutely.
11:05 Technically, if this agreement is made,
11:07 before the candidates are filed, the election commission should inform about it.
11:11 We should have informed the election commission.
11:12 We should have informed them before the agreement is executed.
11:15 Okay.
11:16 So that they do not get a penalty.
11:17 Okay.
11:18 So what is the status now?
11:19 Was that your plan B?
11:20 Is it there now or has it been terminated?
11:22 No, obviously, it is not there.
11:24 The decision we took yesterday, we had a meeting.
11:28 We decided that we will support the independents.
11:31 For every constituency, our candidate should be considered as an independent.
11:36 He has become automatically independent after we took him from us.
11:40 So we will support him.
11:41 We will fight the elections.
11:42 We will fight the elections in every constituency.
11:46 So there are chances that after the election,
11:48 the candidates who will fight independently,
11:52 you will eventually have to join a constituency.
11:55 Is there any other cause for this?
11:57 Is it possible that there is another constituency,
11:58 like Sherani's constituency, Kalamdawat, or any other?
12:01 After the election, you can join Ambaralla.
12:04 The important thing in that,
12:05 you have pointed out, I think you have stated it without me,
12:08 that there are 223 seats in that,
12:10 which you cannot fill until you are a part of a constituency.
12:12 Reserve seats.
12:13 So for that, we will have to go to a constituency.
12:16 We have other options available.
12:18 We are already discussing this with them.
12:21 But we will fight the elections independently.
12:24 We can make seat adjustments in that.
12:26 Hypothetically, if we want to go to a party,
12:30 if they have a demand,
12:31 that you make seat adjustments in this constituency,
12:34 we will consider that and do it.
12:37 And after that, we will move ahead.
12:39 When will this be finalised?
12:40 I was watching the three rounds of Lahore.
12:41 The candidates have not been finalised yet.
12:43 Pindi has a candidate with NA48.
12:45 They have been finalised.
12:48 I think in the next 24 hours or so,
12:50 you will get to know everything about us.
12:51 And what is the criteria for granting these tickets?
12:56 Yesterday, we were talking to the lawyers.
12:57 Sameer Kausat is with us.
12:58 We are talking to Mr. Khan in a very informal manner.
13:00 Some tickets are finalised.
13:02 We are not getting a chance to talk.
13:04 Then there are questions arising,
13:05 that some people are being rewarded,
13:07 some are being given to their own party.
13:10 So, who is getting these tickets finalised?
13:12 Even though Mr. Khan does not have that much access to you,
13:14 nor is he able to talk to you.
13:16 You cannot finalise so many tickets in a blink of an eye.
13:19 We have a practical difficulty.
13:22 The court had given permission to Mr. Khan
13:24 to go to his lawyer and sit with him
13:27 and finalise the candidates.
13:31 Every order of the court is being violated.
13:33 When you go there, they are not executed,
13:35 they are not implemented.
13:36 So, Mr. Khan was not given permission to sit alone
13:40 to finalise the candidates.
13:44 I am using the word 'lawyer' again and again
13:46 because I think I told you in your last programme
13:48 that no political leader has been allowed to meet,
13:52 including me.
13:53 So, we can only rely on the lawyer.
13:56 We communicate with him through him.
13:58 So, that was not given.
14:00 Yesterday, Mr. Khan's statement was also there.
14:01 He said that he could not see it,
14:03 it was not practically possible.
14:04 So, in spite of the court orders,
14:06 the administration could not execute those court orders
14:09 and Mr. Khan did not get the chance.
14:11 So, according to the guidelines given by Mr. Khan,
14:13 we have tried our best to meet the party level.
14:17 For example, the ticket for JLM is also in the Noon League entry.
14:20 We gave the ticket to you as well.
14:22 Did you give the ticket to Imtiaz Alam?
14:24 Yes, we got it re-sent.
14:26 That was a fault.
14:27 It is very interesting that you have gaps in your supervision.
14:32 Yes, it happens.
14:34 It is such a big party.
14:35 And the conditions in which we operate,
14:37 I invite you to come.
14:38 You come to our Central Secretariat.
14:41 You see the conditions in which we operate.
14:43 We are always afraid that people will come now.
14:47 So, I think if you start giving some margin to BTI,
14:51 you give, very kind of you,
14:53 but we are working in a very stifling environment.
14:57 Last question, because the election is yet to take place.
14:59 There is a next phase after the election.
15:00 The parties have to be joined.
15:02 Which party will you join?
15:03 This will be your strategy.
15:05 But after this decision, there is a real threat of horse trading.
15:11 It is a very practical threat after the election.
15:14 Are you concerned about that?
15:17 We are concerned.
15:18 Of course, horse trading has been a very favourite pastime in this country.
15:22 Our government was picked up.
15:24 You know that the market was set up in Sindh House.
15:26 Everyone knows about it.
15:27 The entire media knows about it.
15:29 That is why we will go through a complete review process.
15:32 The decision was taken yesterday after this decision.
15:34 We will go through this review process.
15:36 We will ascertain each candidate again.
15:38 And we will see what is the level of commitment to the party.
15:42 Khan sir told us two ingredients in the selection process.
15:45 Number one, personal integrity.
15:47 And number two, loyalty to the party and of course to the country.
15:51 We will see which candidate is better.
15:54 So, there might be a little reshuffling in the next two to three days
15:58 before we make the final announcement of candidates.
16:01 There will be reshuffling.
16:02 Apart from this, can you confirm this to me?
16:05 Is there any agreement or agreement after which the party will win the election?
16:09 Any allegiance or any such matter?
16:11 We have an understanding with one or two parties.
16:13 And there is only one way to reclaim these 223 seats.
16:17 We join the platform of that party after the elections.
16:20 And that claim will be lodged from the platform of that party.
16:24 This is technically possible.
16:26 Although we have full hope that the election commission will stop us again.
16:30 But we will do that.
16:31 And there are two parties.
16:33 We will see whether they are with both of them.
16:35 Are they from Punjab or from Kharifat-e-Infah?
16:37 One from each of these two provinces.
16:40 One from each of these two provinces.
16:42 I have given you a very credible indication.
16:46 So, you will reach there.
16:47 Thank you very much, Mr. Raghupat Singh.
16:49 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf is present with us.
16:51 As a result of this decision, they are saying that
16:53 they will not withdraw the petitions on the Indian playing field.
16:56 Apart from this, we will talk about how the top legal experts of this country see this decision.
17:01 Mr. Abdul Moiz Jafri, who is a senior lawyer, says that
17:04 the decision of Muzahkakhiz Samad has come out as Muzahkakhiz.
17:08 Mr. Jibran Nasir, who is a candidate and a lawyer, says that
17:11 today, the democracy, justice and the constitution have all been defeated.
17:14 Advocate Faisal Siddiqui says that
17:16 the decision of the PTI case will be included in the list of the defamed Maulvi Tamizuddin case.
17:21 Barrister Salahuddin Ahmed says that
17:24 the new article of the Election Act Section 215, the Ayin, is 621F.
17:29 Mr. Tariq Mehmood Khokhar, who is a former Attorney General, says that
17:32 one unelected and irresponsible person is depriving the nation of the rightful opinion.
17:37 Barrister Ahsan Pirzada says that
17:40 the blind people remove my defects from my face.
17:42 The deaf have a complaint. I speak wrongly.
17:45 Mr. Sarwar Barri, who is a former chairman of Fafn, says that
17:48 the Supreme Court's decision is not only against the PTI case, but also against the Ayin.
17:52 Mr. Farhatullah Babar, who is a senior leader of the PPP, says that
17:55 taking an election sign is a sign of depriving the nation of the rightful opinion.
17:59 Mr. Asad Rahim Khan, a senior lawyer, says that
18:01 the Supreme Court's decision is based on the Muzahkakhiz case.
18:04 Many people say that
18:06 the Ayin case, which was against Benazir Bhutto,
18:09 was a clash with the 1988 state case.
18:14 The decision, which was against Benazir Bhutto in 1988,
18:19 was issued by the 11-member bench in the leadership of Chief Justice Muhammad Haleem on 20 June 1988.
18:25 The decision states that the Shik-2 of Article 17 of the Ayin
18:29 guarantees that any person will have the right to form a political party within the limits of the Ayin.
18:34 The Political Parties Act does not exempt the Ayin from fundamental rights.
18:38 The internal affairs of a political party and the unnecessary interference in intraparty elections
18:44 are subject to the restriction of the use of fundamental rights.
18:47 The government of Pakistan can only restrict a party
18:51 when it is working on a bilateral issue or is involved in any organization against the country.
18:55 The government will take the matter to the Supreme Court in 15 days
18:59 and the Supreme Court will have the final say in this regard.
19:03 Hassan Ayub is with us in the program. He covers all the court cases and has an opinion on legal issues.
19:09 Hassan, I have brought to you the people who had a very clear opinion on the Panama judgment
19:16 that Nawaz Sharif was found guilty in the Panama judgment.
19:20 I have brought their opinion because we will consider them independent.
19:26 They think that this judgment is a very bad decision to take out a popular democratic leader and his party.
19:35 Why do they think that there is a contradiction in this judgment?
19:40 There is no contradiction. If a person wants to join, he can stretch and establish a contradiction.
19:46 People are also contradicting the judgment of Justice Qazi Fahisa with Saqib Nisar Dhor.
19:51 If they want to, they can forcefully stretch the contradiction.
19:56 But they did not invoke the concept of necessity.
20:01 They said that their elections are based on their own rules.
20:06 The PTA's vokla admitted their own mistakes.
20:10 The PTA's vokla were not well prepared.
20:16 But in their case, Maqdoom Ali Khan was well prepared.
20:21 And Ahmed Hassan, who was representing Akbar S. Babar, was also well prepared.
20:26 When you have such a high case, when you have such high stakes,
20:31 then not being prepared is not fair to your party.
20:35 I have seen a few posts on Facebook.
20:40 They say that their vokla killed the PTA. I do not reject this.
20:46 I say that it is absolutely right.
20:49 When you have to plead a case, there are certain ways to do it.
20:54 You have to go to court and then get your case out of court.
20:58 They did not do this.
21:00 One, Niaz Ullah Niazi's unannounced complaint.
21:03 He brought his son's issue there.
21:06 He was being represented by Ali Zafar.
21:11 Then why should you be offended?
21:14 Secondly, when you are legally weak, then you are not confused.
21:19 Then you go to court.
21:21 What did the PTA want?
21:23 They wanted us to go to the elections with a uniform symbol.
21:28 And after the elections, they wanted us to run for the intraparty elections.
21:33 There is no repetition in this.
21:35 When you are expecting this decision, then you are not confused with the bench.
21:39 Then you do not get a chance.
21:41 That was distasteful.
21:42 But the second thing is that before this, there was a very historic decision of 62-1F.
21:45 Everyone was concerned about it.
21:47 Regarding Article 17.
21:49 Yes, regarding Article 17.
21:51 That in the future, the candidates who are elected, their fate is not in favour.
21:56 The explanation that is being given, that Article 2055 is replacing Article 62-1F.
22:03 You want to remove all the parties from the political process.
22:07 How much weight is there in this?
22:08 There is no weight in this.
22:10 Who is your political party?
22:12 Those elected officials.
22:14 When the officials are unilaterally elected in a way that is different from the party constitution.
22:22 How can they be considered a party?
22:24 The question is who are the original officials of the party?
22:27 Who will be the party's doers?
22:31 Then the party's doers, you have to choose them.
22:35 That is, the chairman of the PTI, or the president of the PTI, or the section general of the PTI,
22:40 or even the election commission.
22:42 In the constitution, it is very clearly given in terms of the formation that which people are there.
22:47 If you want to remove the current chief election commissioner, then there is a body for its removal.
22:54 And the elections in the PTI will not leave one person's freedom, according to a constitution.
22:59 There are seven members, six missing.
23:02 One person comes, after whom only the position of the chief election commissioner is there, and he does it.
23:06 And then what is it that one member is their KP, Punjab, Sindh, then there is Balochistan, GB, and the chairman of it, that is, the election commission.
23:16 So, out of all these positions, all the other positions are minus.
23:19 One chief election commissioner was appointed by Asad Umar Sahib.
23:23 Oh sorry, it was not Asad Umar Sahib, I am sorry, he was appointed by Umar Yub Sahib.
23:27 And Umar Yub Sahib then gets the elections done through Niaz Ullah Niazi.
23:31 The existing term was also 1.5 years, 2 years.
23:34 So, the removal that was done, the removing authority is not existing in the PTI at this time.
23:40 Okay, so technically, they did not cover their bases.
23:43 So, then the question comes.
23:45 One more question, the important question is this.
23:47 A decision has been made on the opposition of a party's constitution that the party cannot participate in the elections in this country.
23:55 Number one.
23:57 But is the right to vote of the lakhs of crores of people who follow that party, is that a precedent?
24:03 Or is it the party's person, 6-7 people who say that we will not participate in the elections, is that a precedent?
24:09 Because this analysis is also there, that so many people will get out of this voting process.
24:13 What about their right?
24:15 This matter started in 2021, now it is 2024.
24:18 So, when they have to do the intraparty elections for so long, then you know that the intraparty elections have to be done.
24:25 Then you should do it properly.
24:27 Now see, the first decision on which they can dispute, they have to admit it and then they have to appoint a new chief election commissioner.
24:36 And they have done their intraparty elections.
24:39 See, the question is that if you had this question, then you would have already done your intraparty elections,
24:45 you would have stood on them, after their admission, if you had to do the second one, then you would have done it properly.
24:50 You would have done it according to the constitution, according to your constitution.
24:53 When you are not doing all this work, then see this time, honest to God, honest to God, I say it lightly,
24:59 that you cannot blame the election commission, nor can you blame the Supreme Court.
25:03 You have to blame your own people who have done this intraparty election.
25:08 Okay, then write my question.
25:09 And the last thing, why? Because when your people will bash, I am bringing that answer too,
25:15 that of the chief election commissioner, and when you will criticize the Supreme Court judges,
25:21 then either you are 100% complete in your own opinion, when the papers are not complete,
25:27 you are so weak, so why are you trying?
25:30 But yes, technically they should be given an answer to this, but still my question is coming back and forth,
25:34 that the voters of the political parties, their right to vote, will the government not be responsible for it?
25:39 No, first of all, they have their own right, so the government is protecting it.
25:44 I am saying that the government has protected it, that the officials who were elected,
25:48 they were not elected in a legal way.
25:50 By whose way? By the way of that party's own.
25:53 That's why the people of that party cannot vote.
25:55 See, the place where they decided the venue for the intraparty elections,
26:00 that place was in Peshawar, and then someone else came out.
26:02 Then in one ground, you are doing this for the whole country.
26:05 See, the ground reality of PTI, you also know, it is in KP, it is in Balochistan,
26:10 it is in Punjab, it is in entire Punjab.
26:13 You are making one polling station, and the vote is not being cast.
26:16 Okay.
26:17 I mean, they should have done some paperwork, they should have filled the paper's stomach.
26:20 They didn't even do that.
26:22 And then on whom are you blaming? On the election commission.
26:25 On whom are you blaming? On the Supreme Court.
26:27 I will tell you one more thing. The Peshawar High Court,
26:30 the decision of the election commission, which was declared as intraparty,
26:34 and declared as illegal, that was done by pushing.
26:39 That was done by pushing, and I am telling you,
26:41 This is your opinion, right?
26:42 It is such a big issue.
26:43 I mean, they are senior judges, they interpreted it legally.
26:45 That is my opinion, that is the Supreme Court's decision.
26:47 Supreme Court thinks otherwise, High Court thinks otherwise.
26:49 I am Ham Abbas, I am Ham Abbas, with the Supreme Court,
26:52 Supreme Court is an appellate court.
26:54 That Supreme Court took their every decision and threw it in the trash.
26:57 That is right, but the interpretation was different.
27:01 They have a margin for interpretation.
27:03 Thank you very much, Hassan Ayub.
27:04 All these issues, about this decision, they are saying that the justice system
27:07 did not do the proper paperwork.
27:09 We will go on break and come back.
27:10 Which candidate will be standing in which circle?
27:13 Where is the interesting competition?
27:14 We will talk about this after the break.
27:21 Welcome back.
27:22 As the nomination papers are being filed,
27:24 and there is some clarity in these things,
27:27 who will be standing in which circle?
27:30 We can have a better informed discussion on this.
27:34 Let me quickly tell you which interesting circles are there,
27:36 and which candidates will be standing in which circle,
27:38 the list that we have till now.
27:40 So if we start with NA 117 Lahore,
27:43 then the IPP is doing seat adjustment from Noon League.
27:45 Aleem Khan will be on it, most probably.
27:48 It has not been announced yet, but most probably,
27:51 Aleem Khan will contest from here.
27:53 Abrar Ahmed from PTI.
27:55 Now, because of the situation of PTI,
27:57 there is a complexity that no sign is being allotted to them.
28:00 If it is being done unified, then what will be their sign?
28:03 Now, all these issues will be decided.
28:06 Hamza Shahbaz Sharif from NA 118 Lahore.
28:09 Aliya Hamza Sahiba from PTI will contest in front of them.
28:13 Marim Nawaz Sharif Sahiba from NA 119 Lahore.
28:16 But it has not been decided yet who will be from PTI.
28:19 Rao Fasan was already present with us from the beginning of the program.
28:21 He said that people have not been finalized in some constituencies yet.
28:24 Some reshuffling can also be done.
28:26 And it will be known in one or two days,
28:28 who are our final candidates.
28:30 Sardar Ayaz Sadiq from NA 120 Lahore.
28:33 This is a circle that PTI has not decided yet.
28:35 They do not know who will contest the election from here.
28:39 It is obvious that they should take the ballot.
28:41 Apart from this, their own operational challenges,
28:44 it is taking time to finalize them.
28:47 Sheikh Rohel Azgar from NA 121 Lahore.
28:50 Finally, he got this ticket.
28:53 And Sadiq also got this constituency.
28:55 Waseem Qadir from PTI will be in front of them.
28:58 Khwaja Saad Rafiq from NA 122 Lahore.
29:00 And Latif Khosla from PTI.
29:02 This will be a very interesting competition.
29:04 Because both of them have a good reputation.
29:06 And their height will be a sugar on this circle.
29:10 Obviously, there is hope.
29:12 Shahbaz Sharif from NA 123 Lahore.
29:15 In his opposition, there is Advocate Abdul Azim.
29:18 According to the updated list of Tehreek-e-Isaf.
29:20 Rana Mubasher Iqbal from NA 124 Lahore.
29:23 From PTI, there is Advocate Zamir Jedo.
29:26 Mohammad Afzal from NA 125 Lahore.
29:30 PTI has not decided yet.
29:32 If we talk about 126, Malik Saif-ul-Malook Khokar.
29:36 Malik Karamat Khokar from PTI.
29:38 So, Khokar vs Khokar.
29:40 NA 127, again a very interesting competition.
29:43 Zaheer Abbas from PTI.
29:46 Zaheer Abbas Khokar.
29:48 And from Noon League, Attaullah Talhar will be in front of them.
29:52 Kalbutto Zardari will be on this.
29:54 And from NA 128 Lahore, there is a seat adjustment of IPP.
29:58 And there is a possibility that it will be Jodhri.
30:00 From PTI, there will be Advocate Salman Akram Raja.
30:03 He has been finalized at NA 128.
30:06 From PTI, we can see that Mian Azhar is going to the field.
30:10 And from Noon League, there is Mohammad Nauman.
30:13 Nawaz Sharif is from Noon League.
30:15 And his opponents will be Yasmin Rashid from PTI.
30:18 We are talking about NA 130.
30:20 From NA 46, Anjum Akil from Islamabad.
30:23 Amir Masood Mughal.
30:25 In front of Tariq Fazal Chaudhry, there will be Advocate Shoaib Shaheen.
30:29 Again, his sign will not be good.
30:32 So, voters will have to figure out all this.
30:34 There is another seat adjustment with IPP.
30:37 From 48 Islamabad.
30:39 We are also seeing from PTI that Ali Bukhari will be there.
30:42 So, there are many interesting competitions.
30:44 There are many interesting constituencies.
30:46 We will talk about this.
30:47 Majid Nizami is with us.
30:49 If there are some people in the country who know about every constituency in detail, then Majid is one of them.
30:58 Majid, the situation is that some tickets of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf have not been cleared.
31:04 The complexity of the ballot has come.
31:07 How will this affect?
31:10 The strategy that PTI is making that we will put it on a website and see our candidate.
31:14 They are doing something.
31:16 But how will it affect these circles that there is no sign of the ballot?
31:19 Thank you very much.
31:23 There were two major issues for PTI at this time.
31:27 One was that some important people's papers were rejected in the ticket allocation.
31:33 Because of which all the names you have taken, some unknown names are visible.
31:39 The reason for this was that the people there, the leaders, could not reach this stage of the election.
31:48 So, the first difficult way for PTI was that they have chosen those unknown names.
31:55 The second issue for PTI is that since they are not getting the sign of the ballot,
32:01 then once again this cold war is going on in the internal circles of PTI.
32:06 Now all the candidates have to fight the election on different electoral signs.
32:12 Now once again people have started getting applications and there will be a change in many circles.
32:17 The reason for this is that the ballot is not available.
32:19 The election will be fought on other electoral signs.
32:22 So, the final list that is to come in PTI, we can see a change in many places before that.
32:30 So, based on these two reasons, I think PTI has definitely reached a setback.
32:36 The reason for this is that through social media, Bait and Imran Khan had been established.
32:43 But now in every circle, giving this message to the voters of every circle,
32:49 that you are in this circle and your sign will be a pot, jeep, lion, not lion, it will be a sheep, fan, whatever the sign is,
33:00 it will be very difficult to convey.
33:03 Okay, Majid sir, there are two issues in this.
33:05 One issue is that some people are prominent.
33:07 Shoaib Shaheen is prominent, people watch on television, they know who will be our candidate.
33:12 Khosa sir, Salman Akram Raja sir, Rehana Dar Sahiba.
33:16 These people are established people, their personality is registered in people.
33:21 So, maybe there will not be so many challenges for them.
33:23 Or there will be a challenge for them too if there is no sign of a pot.
33:27 Yes, the challenge will be such that those who cannot read, they used to go to the ballot paper and see only the signs.
33:36 Lion's sign, arrow's sign, scale's sign, tractor's sign and similarly the sign of a pot.
33:42 So, now when there will be no sign of a pot and the voter who is not educated,
33:47 it will be difficult for him to find the name from those names and then from those names he will also find the electoral sign.
33:55 So, this is a difficult electoral battle, the movement will have to fight at this time.
34:00 If the sign of a pot was present in the whole constituency, then it would have been very easy for the movement.
34:07 But now I think their difficulties have doubled.
34:12 Majid, tell me, has it ever happened in history that the communities have to fight without a sign?
34:18 And if so, or this is a new example, because we keep establishing a lot of new traditions together.
34:24 Is there any example in the history of Pakistan that any political community has gone through such a process before?
34:30 See, political communities have gone through different processes.
34:37 Political communities have been restricted and they have come up with new names.
34:41 Similarly, in the 1985 election, we saw that no political community was given a representation.
34:46 All people had to take part in the non-political election.
34:50 So, we have such examples.
34:53 But in this current political situation of a year or two, many things are happening new, many new traditions are being formed.
35:02 So, I think this is happening for the first time and there is no such example in Pakistan.
35:08 But in the non-political election, Majid, the candidates had a symbol, they knew what to stamp on the voter.
35:18 Yes, at that time, this step was taken out of fear of the People's Party.
35:23 And the other communities also objected to this, because it was the time of Marshallah.
35:29 So, for this reason, the People's Party was done to counter.
35:33 But this is happening for the first time that 25 days before the election or 30 days before,
35:38 a strong and big community of the country, which has taken more than one crore votes, is being deprived of a symbol.
35:47 So, whatever be the legal reasons, it will have a great impact on the voter.
35:53 And I think, as we have talked here, that many traditions are not being formed in Pakistan.
35:59 Okay, so we have established another clear tradition.
36:02 But Majid, the issue is that there is an election, let's go to the election.
36:06 They cross this bridge and select their candidates.
36:10 So, even after that, they will need a political party.
36:13 Now, Rauf Hassan was present with us in the program. He did not tell the name, but he said that there is a community of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
36:19 there is a community of Punjab, he has spoken to them.
36:22 Later, maybe, under the agreement, those candidates can join.
36:25 Will it be such an easy matter?
36:27 Or because now the People's Party, IPP, all of them are in the field, especially in Punjab.
36:34 It will not be such an easy matter. They will also want to stamp on these candidates.
36:40 Yes, you are absolutely right. The reason for this is that they do not have a legal obligation.
36:46 They do not have any legal obligation that after winning the election, they are bound by a single community.
36:54 Therefore, after winning the Tehreek-e-Insaf election, no one can legally demand anything from them.
36:59 Yes, morally, they will definitely be held accountable that you have brought the PTI vote, so now you are going to the other side.
37:06 So, just like in political history, people call different politicians "Lotas" or criticize them for changing their loyalty.
37:13 It will definitely happen, but because according to the law, they will be free to do so.
37:18 Therefore, even after the election, there may be no shortage of difficulties in Tehreek-e-Insaf.
37:24 Because keeping all these people under the banner of a single community will be a very difficult task in the National Assembly and the Parliamentary Assemblies.
37:33 Majid, I have one more question. You gave an example of 1985.
37:39 So, when these non-Jamaat elections took place, a new generation of politicians came into the electoral process.
37:45 They are also called the Class of 1985.
37:47 And if we talk about them prominently, then there is Khwaja Asif, Nawaz Sharif, Aisan Iqbal, if I do not pronounce their names correctly, then correct me.
37:55 So, Chaudhary Nisar introduced the Class of 1985, and then we are seeing that they have dominated politics for 30-35 years.
38:03 This new strategy, under which these people may fight under the banner of a single community, what new trend will it introduce?
38:10 Because it was also thought that now the electables are not of the same level as the party or the votes of the personalities.
38:16 Are you seeing any change in this?
38:18 Yes, absolutely. The names you have taken, only Khwaja Asif came a little later.
38:25 The rest are all names that came because of the non-Jamaat election.
38:28 And before that, we see that the political class of 70 and 77 was over in 1985.
38:35 And the loss of the 1985 election was that the policy of views and the tendency of such political dialogues among Pakistani politics was reduced.
38:47 The influence of money, influence of the police culture, increased.
38:54 The candidate who has more money, has more chances of winning.
38:59 These are such negative trends that came into Pakistani politics due to the 1985 election, which later became stronger.
39:08 And we saw that in the 2002 election, it was established that any ideological worker from the middle class or lower class,
39:16 whether he is from any Jamaat, has to go through the impossibilities to win the election.
39:22 And we saw that the 272 or 342 Ayyawan was still there, in which all people's financial condition was particularly strong.
39:32 So this trend of 1985 has come to this point, it has completely damaged the political system and instead of views, it has come to the financial system.
39:42 And now, what will happen this time, a new trend that will come out of it is that the MNAs of the parties will be present in the assembly,
39:52 but there will be no grip on them, no one will be able to ask them questions.
39:56 They must have brought votes from some other party, but they will support some other party in the assembly.
40:03 Thank you very much, Majid Nizami, as usual, an insightful analysis.
40:07 We will go on break, when we come back, a third resolution has been presented in the Senate, regarding the transition of the election.
40:12 We will talk about this, stay with us after the break.
40:14 Welcome back, the rhetoric of resolutions in the Senate has been completed,
40:21 and it is a rhetoric to postpone the general elections in this country.
40:27 Yesterday, we saw again, Senator Hilalur Rehman, on the basis of security threats increasing in KP, has again demanded that the elections be postponed.
40:36 Before this, on January 12, another resolution was presented to postpone the elections for three months in view of the Darpesh security challenges,
40:45 on the basis of Senator Hidayatullah, so the rhetoric of these two resolutions is in different words,
40:51 but more or less, the point is the same, that the security conditions are very bad.
40:55 Before this, on January 5, another resolution was presented, and this was Senator Dilawar,
41:00 he had presented a resolution to postpone the elections, he had multiple reasons,
41:04 that there is cold there, the weather is not good, and there are security concerns.
41:09 But it is a very interesting phenomenon that these three different senators,
41:13 in just one week, present three different resolutions to the Senate,
41:18 and all three have the same demand that the elections be postponed, because the security issues are not good.
41:23 The first resolution was passed somehow, but the other two resolutions, no action has been taken on them yet,
41:29 but it is a very unique coincidence, at least I think so.
41:34 Anyway, the time of the program is over, do not forget to give us your feedback, take care, goodbye.