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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Sharjeel Inam Memon PPP
PTI Ko Fazal Ur Rehman Say Kis Bat Ki Umeed Hai? - Ali Muhammad Khan Told Everything
"Constitutional amendment mein Nawaz Sharif ka koi qirdar nahi", Javed Latif
What is the purpose of PTI's protest? - Ali Muhammad Khan Breaks Big News
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Sharjeel Inam Memon PPP
PTI Ko Fazal Ur Rehman Say Kis Bat Ki Umeed Hai? - Ali Muhammad Khan Told Everything
"Constitutional amendment mein Nawaz Sharif ka koi qirdar nahi", Javed Latif
What is the purpose of PTI's protest? - Ali Muhammad Khan Breaks Big News
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate.
00:11There is a complaint in the program that I have not been with you.
00:13Viewers, we will start with a very sad news.
00:16The news is that in Israel's continuous bombardment, Israel attacked Lebanon the most heavily in the past day.
00:24In Israel's attack, the leader of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrullah, was martyred.
00:29And Israel basically bombarded Beirut with 5.5 thousand pounds.
00:37It was such a heavy bombardment that the whole city was shaken.
00:42F-35 fighter jets targeted the city's population.
00:46And for seven hours, buildings were destroyed.
00:54Hundreds of people were injured.
00:58Many people were martyred.
01:00Hassan Nasrullah is also among these martyrs.
01:03Who is the leader of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrullah?
01:05I will tell you this quickly.
01:07For three decades, the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrullah, is known as a powerful personality in the Middle East.
01:16For 64 years, Hassan Nasrullah was not only strengthening Hezbollah defensively, but he was also very active in Lebanon's politics.
01:26He was martyred.
01:27Obviously, he was standing in front of Israel as a heavy resistance force.
01:33In addition to this, there is regret in Palestine, Lebanon, and the rest of the Muslim world.
01:40Because Israel is taking out its ignorance and barbarism from Palestine and spreading it to the rest of the Muslim world.
01:49And until all the Muslims unite, Israel will not be able to control it.
01:57No Muslim country will be able to do anything alone.
02:00Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iran have spread their tentacles to Israel.
02:07Who will be the next?
02:09This is a question.
02:11Because Israel's larger game is to spread itself in different countries and expand its territory.
02:20We have to think about this.
02:22Now let's come to Pakistan's politics.
02:24In Pakistan's politics, on the one hand, there is a constitutional amendment.
02:27On the other hand, there is a protest on the streets.
02:30Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has been protesting on the streets since the morning.
02:36Rawalpindi is the place.
02:38And things are going on in such a way that different news is coming out.
02:43There is a doubt about the numbers.
02:45Is there a high number or not?
02:47The government and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf are giving two different opinions on this.
02:51Ali Ameen Ghandapur is leading this.
02:54You may remember that Ali Ameen Ghandapur gave some very controversial statements.
02:58In which he also said that we will remove Imran Khan from Adyala.
03:03That was a political statement.
03:05Or he was thinking of doing it in reality.
03:08That is something that we will discuss.
03:10Ali Muhammad Khan is the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:16He is present.
03:17But before going to him, an interesting development has emerged on the constitutional amendment.
03:22And that is that on one hand,
03:24Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's meetings with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and the government are going on.
03:30And on the constitutional amendment,
03:32Maulana and his Jama'at do not have a problem as such.
03:37But their passion, which was a working paper,
03:40which the government was bringing, is definitely a problem.
03:43So if it is toned down,
03:45or if it is improved,
03:47then there is very little chance that the JUI will go with this amendment.
03:51Now, there is another important personality behind this.
03:55His presence or his character has emerged.
03:57Khawaja Asif has said that Nawaz Sharif is his character.
04:00Listen to this.
04:01The clash that you see very clearly in the parliament and in Adliya,
04:07if ultimately this deadlock is not resolved,
04:10then its result can be a constitutional meltdown.
04:13His role behind the scenes is definitely active.
04:20He defines the constitution.
04:22In that, the ultimate winner will always be the parliament.
04:26With this, let's go to Ali Muhammad Khan, the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:30Ali Muhammad Khan, thank you very much for joining the program.
04:33First of all, we were waiting for the NOC.
04:35There was a meeting with the NOC.
04:37After that, there was a protest.
04:39What next, Ali Muhammad Khan?
04:41Thank you very much.
04:42Peace be upon you.
04:43In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
04:44Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam.
04:48First of all, what Israel has done,
04:54and there are reports of Hassan Nasrullah,
04:56because he was martyred.
04:57There are other Hezbollah and Islamic leaders in Palestine.
05:02We all beat with our hearts.
05:04And we strongly condemn what Israel is doing.
05:08And the Muslim Ummah needs to unite.
05:10And Pakistan needs to play a leading role.
05:15As far as the situation of protest in Pakistan is concerned,
05:18you asked.
05:19I am very sorry to say that
05:22Tehreek-e-Insaf had asked for a meeting in Rawalpindi.
05:26If you had allowed a peaceful meeting,
05:29then there would have been no need for protest.
05:32In the past, in 2012,
05:35for the first time, Tehreek-e-Insaf had a meeting here in Rawalpindi.
05:39So the first meeting I attended in Rawalpindi was in Liaquat Bagh.
05:42After that, we did a lot of activities in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.
05:45We did a lot of Jalsa.
05:46We did not do anything illegal in any Jalsa.
05:49So you asked if we were asking for NOC first.
05:52We are not asking.
05:53See, you ask for NOC for Jalsa.
05:55Because you have to set a stage.
05:57People have to come.
05:58You have to adjust the media presence there.
06:00They have containers.
06:02Protest is your right, what you do.
06:04So today you saw that despite efforts,
06:06Tehreek-e-Insaf could not be stopped.
06:08Workers of Tehreek-e-Insaf also left Rawalpindi.
06:10They also left Islamabad.
06:11They also came from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab.
06:17Mr. Ali Mohan Khan, what will be the ultimate goal?
06:20Do you think that your goal will be to get Mr. Miran Khan out of jail?
06:26Will it be possible?
06:27As Mr. Ali Mohan Ghandapur said before,
06:29that we will go and get him out of jail.
06:33After that, the leadership said in the middle of the party
06:36that we are not going to do any such thing
06:38in which we are taking the law into our own hands.
06:40So what will be that thing?
06:42Will it be like Ameen Ghandapur?
06:45Or will it be like what Ali Mohan Khan,
06:47Barrister Gauhar and Umar Ayub said?
06:55See, Ali Ameen Khan is the Prime Minister.
06:59And he is leading a protest right now.
07:04But he has never said anything about India or Tariq-e-Insaf
07:10that we will go and get Mr. Khan out of jail.
07:14This does not happen.
07:15That will be according to the law.
07:17They will be released from court.
07:19Yes, increasing political pressure, increasing political temperature
07:23is our legal right and we are using it.
07:27And always a political party that has street power,
07:30they use it.
07:31Tariq-e-Insaf is one of the two or three Jamaats in Pakistan.
07:35Either Tariq-e-Insaf or Maulana Fazl Rahman's Jamaat
07:38or Jamaat-e-Islami, they have street power.
07:40But in the whole country, only Tariq-e-Insaf has it.
07:42So we are recording a protest.
07:44But ultimately, the decision on these things
07:46will be on the dialogue table and from the court.
07:52So the purpose of protesting is to raise political temperature.
07:56Ameen Gandapur has also said that we will go to the dialogue table
07:59and get Mr. Imran Khan out of jail.
08:01Whether or not the PTI agrees with that,
08:03definitely PTI has the right.
08:05But if your CM is there and they are talking,
08:08will that be against the party lines?
08:13No, I think they have talked in this context
08:15that when there is a public movement,
08:17then of course a political pressure increases.
08:20If someone comes forward,
08:22then this political movement, this protest
08:25is also a means for Mr. Imran Khan's release.
08:28But ultimately, the case against him
08:30will be released from the court.
08:32And if you look at the past,
08:35in the last few months,
08:37the biggest case against Mr. Imran Khan,
08:40which I think was more dangerous than Mr. Bhutto's case,
08:44he was punished in a wrong way for abetment.
08:48But this cipher case that was filed,
08:50this was a serious case,
08:52Mr. Imran Khan has received relief from it.
08:54And Mr. Khan and Mr. Shah Mehmood Qureshi
08:56have been released.
08:58Along with two other very important cases,
09:00the case of abetment, which was a shameful case,
09:02because you are a woman,
09:04I don't talk much about it in front of you.
09:06And the second one, Tosha Khana,
09:07was also released from there.
09:09So ultimately, the case that they have filed now,
09:11this will also be over.
09:12I think, look,
09:13as soon as this political temperature is reduced,
09:16political stability comes,
09:17only then can this country move forward.
09:19This is not the solution to the problem right now.
09:21Because the nation is not asking for immediate relief.
09:23The nation is trying to end immorality right now.
09:26The nation is saying that you bring law and order,
09:28you establish peace and security,
09:30you reduce inflation.
09:32You just made Mr. Khawaja Asif listen to something
09:34about the constitutional amendment.
09:36Look, this is not a constitutional amendment.
09:38This is an attack on justice by the government.
09:41Otherwise, why do these people need a constitutional amendment?
09:45Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan,
09:46the numbers are completed for the constitutional amendment.
09:49So then all the concerns of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
09:53unfortunately or fortunately,
09:56whatever name you want to give,
09:57they will be left behind.
09:59So in case, if the government reaches out to you,
10:02as Mr. Maulana is also saying,
10:03that a larger consensus should be developed,
10:05he has been saying for a long time.
10:06If the government reaches out,
10:09then along with not supporting Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
10:12it will not add intellectually to it,
10:15if it can improve it.
10:16Because yesterday I was listening to Salman Akram Raja,
10:18he was saying that
10:20supporting Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is a far-fetched thing,
10:22but if we can somehow improve this constitutional amendment,
10:26if we can give a suggestion to legally improve things,
10:31then that will be a different matter.
10:33He was talking on these lines.
10:35Do you agree that if Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
10:37is seeing imminently that
10:39a constitutional amendment is bound to happen here,
10:41then it is better to give some suggestions to make it better?
10:46I do not agree with this thought.
10:50Salman Raja can have his own view.
10:52I do not know in what context he has said this,
10:55but I think that at this time,
10:57no constitutional amendment is important in front of Imran Khan and Tehrik-e-Insaf and the nation.
11:01Two fundamental points are important.
11:03The release of Imran Khan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi and the prisoners,
11:06and the return of this mandate.
11:08For this, the petition in the Supreme Court should be raised,
11:11and a decision should be made on it.
11:13Do you want to sideline that in the name of a constitutional amendment?
11:17Did the nation vote for a constitutional amendment,
11:20or did the nation vote for Imran Khan to run this country?
11:24First decide whose vote it is.
11:26That decision will be made by the Supreme Court.
11:28That is why this government has fallen behind the Supreme Court.
11:32And the last point,
11:34that the power of the Supreme Court should be reduced in any way,
11:38by introducing a constitutional court.
11:41Here, Maulana Fazl Rahman's role is important.
11:44The nation will not tolerate any minor incidents.
11:47There is no need for a constitutional court at this time.
11:50The Supreme Court and the court should be strengthened at this time.
11:53I am sorry, I am cutting you short.
11:57But if Maulana Sahib had to clearly refuse,
12:01then he would have done so by now.
12:03He did not clearly refuse the government.
12:05In fact, at this time,
12:07we are talking about the government's smoking papers.
12:11Maulana Sahib is talking about the government's smoking papers.
12:15I recently met a journalist,
12:17and Maulana Sahib said in the same lines,
12:19that in principle,
12:21there is no difference from a constitutional amendment,
12:24but there is a difference in the material.
12:26So, a constitutional amendment will come.
12:29You are expecting something from Maulana Sahib.
12:32The PTI is expecting something.
12:34But are you able to see that hope being fulfilled?
12:39Look, our hope is from Allah and our people.
12:42We do not expect anything from anyone.
12:44Yes, you keep your stance in politics,
12:47you explain your stance to others,
12:49and you try to make them understand,
12:52that open your eyes, see where the nation is standing.
12:55If you move away from the nation,
12:57then you will definitely go down in history.
13:00You will also die a political death.
13:02Whoever is going against the wishes of the people of Pakistan,
13:05will go down in history.
13:07What about the people?
13:09Today you are in office, tomorrow you are not.
13:11There are many Chief Justices, many Army Chiefs,
13:13many Ministers.
13:14Does anyone remember their names?
13:16Yes, they remember the names of those who have done something for this country.
13:19That is why a person does not grow in office,
13:22he grows in his actions.
13:24This is the decision you have to make.
13:26Are you giving Maulana Sahib suggestions, Ali Mohammad Khan Sahib?
13:29Are you giving Maulana Sahib suggestions?
13:32No, no, no.
13:34What is the need for Maulana Sahib's advice?
13:36He is advising the whole nation.
13:38I am not talking about Maulana Sahib,
13:40I am talking about everyone in general.
13:42Got your point. Next question.
13:44As I said earlier,
13:46first it started that we want NOC,
13:48we will hold a Jalsa after NOC.
13:50We got NOC, then we held a Jalsa.
13:52Then it was said that whether we get NOC or not,
13:54we will hold a Jalsa.
13:56Then we got NOC, we got it at the end time,
13:58but we got it, then we held a Jalsa.
14:00Is it going to go till Dharna?
14:04Why not?
14:06Dharna does not happen in politics.
14:08Recently, Jamaat-e-Islami did not hold a Dharna.
14:10TLP did not hold a Dharna.
14:12In our time, Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib
14:14did not even wait for a year to hold a Dharna.
14:16So Dharna happened in politics.
14:18We also held a Dharna.
14:20In 2014, we did not hold a Dharna for 126 days.
14:22So yes, it may be on the cards,
14:24but I cannot confirm.
14:26Don't say that Ali Mohammad is saying that we will hold a Dharna.
14:28No, but it can happen.
14:30Why can't it happen?
14:32It is a part of politics.
14:34A peaceful protest is a peak of peace.
14:38And where will that red line or peak be
14:40from where the protest will start,
14:42Ali Mohammad Khan Sahib?
14:46Anika Sahiba, that red line has already crossed.
14:48It is us who are working patiently.
14:50It is us who want that the political
14:52temperature does not reach the point
14:54after which nothing is in anyone's hands.
14:56And let me tell you this,
14:58the country will not be strong
15:00if your institution is strong,
15:02or your parliament is sovereign,
15:04or everyone has to work together.
15:06You talked about government members.
15:10If the court is strong,
15:12then the parliament will be strong.
15:14If the parliament is strong, then the institution will be strong.
15:16If the army is strong, then the nation.
15:18This is interconnected.
15:20It is not possible that you weaken an institution,
15:22like the court, and then the country will be strong.
15:24Everyone has to work together.
15:26That is what is important.
15:28The time is up, unfortunately.
15:30The time is up, unfortunately.
15:32Otherwise, we would have continued it.
15:34Ali Mohammad Khan Sahib, thank you very much.
15:36We will go to the break now.
15:38We will also try to go to the government.
15:40See you after the break.
15:42Welcome back after the break.
15:44Before the break, we were talking about
15:46Pakistan as a whole, which is on the streets at this time.
15:48And there are some protests.
15:50Why are there protests?
15:52How is the situation?
15:54Obviously, the situation was developing.
15:56It was developing for a long time.
15:58But on the other hand,
16:00where is the constitutional amendment?
16:02And how to get it out of the way?
16:04This is a question for the senior PM of the Netherlands.
16:06This is a question for the senior PM of the Netherlands.
16:08Mr. Latif is with us.
16:10Mr. Latif, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
16:12It's a pleasure having you.
16:14Mr. Khawaja, Mr. Asif said that
16:16Nawaz Sharif has an important role
16:18in the constitutional amendment.
16:20We may call it backdoor diplomacy
16:22or whatsoever.
16:24We name it.
16:26Despite the role of Nawaz Sharif,
16:28the constitutional amendment
16:30is still in progress.
16:32Why is that?
16:34As far as I know,
16:36I do not know
16:38what role he has in the Constitution.
16:42But as far as the constitutional amendment is concerned,
16:44I am quite clear
16:46that this is a case of
17:18and the work that has been going on for the past two years is in front of you.
17:25And the other people who are stuck in the courts,
17:29someone has a problem with their life, someone has a problem with their property,
17:34there are other issues, but they are pending.
17:37So, it is absolutely clear that there should be a separate court
17:42and all the political forces,
17:44but the people sitting in the courts also think that it should be there.
17:47It is a different thing that I do not agree or someone says this.
17:51Yes, as far as your saying is concerned,
17:55that in the current situation, the controversial politics that is happening,
18:00or the politics of protest,
18:02then I am very clear and thousands like me,
18:06crores of political workers are also clear,
18:09that the state in which there is a strong protest,
18:14that state is also affected and its economy is also affected.
18:19Now, in Pakistan, for the past few years,
18:23since it has been launched, this Intishari group,
18:29you are seeing what is happening every day.
18:33Have you ever heard that the government of a province
18:37is using its government resources, the resources of that province,
18:42to attack the center or to attack another province?
18:47Even today, you see what is happening,
18:49that the minister of a province is being attacked by all the government machinery
18:55and is attacking another province, but no one is even asking.
18:59And this is the first thing.
19:00Where is the role of the federal government?
19:03Where is the role of the federal government?
19:06The federal government is a bridge between the provinces.
19:11If you talk about the role of the federal government,
19:15then I am a very clear person,
19:18whoever is in favor of me or is going against me,
19:21I speak openly.
19:23In 2014, the federal government was of the same community
19:28in the province in which the government was.
19:31In fact, the government was in two provinces.
19:33But the government of one province
19:37attacked Islamabad using all government resources.
19:43And then a time came in that protest
19:47that at the time of the morning,
19:49six, seven, eight people were present, including Imran.
19:52But the things of that protest,
19:58that container or whatever else they had kept,
20:01they did not pick it up.
20:03It could not go.
20:04The government of two provinces,
20:08and then the result of that came in front of you in 2017.
20:11And I give another example today
20:14that there was a protest in Lahore
20:16and the time of that protest was up to 6 o'clock.
20:19So at 6.15, five or six police officers got on stage
20:25and told the stage to get down.
20:27So like good children,
20:29all the stage staff who were their accomplices got down.
20:32This is the difference.
20:34How did this difference come, Mr. Mian?
20:36Why this difference? How?
20:38What is the origin of this difference?
20:43Yes, it is that in 2014,
20:49you were going to start the CPEC.
20:51Along with the international organizations,
20:54your local establishment was all on one page.
20:59Even the Justice Foundation was on the same page.
21:03A lot of media was on one page.
21:06Just like Zara-e-Ablaag is still with the same group,
21:11including Israel and the other things you are seeing,
21:14the materials that are being written
21:16or the importance given to its narrative.
21:19They were all on one page
21:21and they did not let six or seven people get up
21:25until their goals were fulfilled.
21:27And what is the difference today?
21:31The difference today is that
21:33today your current establishment
21:36wants to save itself from the crisis
21:40or wants to save the country from the crisis.
21:43Yes, the international organizations are standing behind
21:46just like they were in 2014.
21:49Mian Sahab, I will come back to the point
21:53that where is Mian Nawaz Sharif's role?
21:56Because if Khwaja Asif has hinted that
21:58Mian Sahab has a role in this literary translation,
22:02then has Mian Nawaz Sharif's role become weak?
22:09Look, the results that were made from 8th February,
22:14who made Mian Nawaz Sharif's role weak?
22:18Before that, when Mian Nawaz Sharif came to Pakistan on 21st October,
22:26who made Mian Nawaz Sharif's role limited
22:29from that date till 8th February?
22:33Why did they make Mian Nawaz Sharif's role limited?
22:38Who accepted the government, Mian Sahab?
22:43Who accepted the government?
22:45PMLN accepted.
22:46So, PMLN itself made the role weak.
22:51Look, if you allow me,
22:55I have been saying this repeatedly
22:57that this was an arrangement
23:00to form a government after 8th February
23:04and no one was accepting the challenge.
23:08Just like we accepted the challenge
23:12and put a bandage around our necks,
23:16even today,
23:18but the happiness with which we put the bandage
23:21that we will be able to deliver something for the state,
23:24even if our acceptance is lost.
23:27So, the happiness with which you went to improve the state,
23:36God willing, you will be successful.
23:38But the challenges are increasing day by day,
23:41not decreasing.
23:45Right.
23:46But, Mian Sahab, ultimately,
23:48the question is,
23:50will there be a constitutional amendment?
23:56Look, if you keep talking about a constitutional amendment,
24:01tell me,
24:03can a constitutional amendment be possible without a two-thirds majority?
24:08But, Mian Sahab, the number game is being tried to be completed.
24:14Right.
24:15But, Mian Sahab, the number game is being tried to be completed.
24:19Will it be successful or not?
24:21Maulana Sahab, where do you see yourself from today,
24:23in a week or two?
24:26Look, now the matter is simple.
24:29The first constitutional amendment that was being tried to be brought,
24:34it was said that this constitutional amendment is being tried day and night.
24:41Now, it has been two, three, four weeks.
24:43Everyone must have read that constitution.
24:46And the next constitution that will be presented,
24:48either it will be a constitutional amendment,
24:50or it will be the same constitution.
24:51Still, people must have read it.
24:53If it is a constitutional amendment,
24:54then all people will have consensus.
24:56So, I think,
24:58what is being said again and again,
25:00that to control the judiciary,
25:03this constitutional amendment is being brought.
25:06I say, this is not appropriate.
25:08That is, you see,
25:10whenever there is a martial law in Pakistan,
25:13is it preserved?
25:15This very highly respectable judiciary,
25:18has not preserved it.
25:20And, are these same courts,
25:24that 40-45 years after Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
25:2740-45 years later,
25:29admit that he was unjust.
25:31Should I expect today,
25:33that after 6 years of Nawaz Sharif,
25:35the case has been settled.
25:37He has been punished.
25:39But, will it take another 40 years,
25:41that the injustice towards Nawaz Sharif,
25:43and the injustice towards the state,
25:45by giving that decision,
25:47will it be admitted that
25:49we have done a lot of injustice towards Nawaz Sharif,
25:51and its loss has reached the state?
25:53I say,
25:55for God's sake,
25:57for whom we are talking,
25:59they too, at least,
26:01should do it with clarity,
26:03that we can make a sacrifice.
26:06The constitutional right,
26:09which the parliament has given us,
26:12or the law,
26:14which the constitution gives us,
26:16we know how to preserve it.
26:18I am saying this with great respect.
26:20And, I am saying this for everyone.
26:22I say, that in the past,
26:24it has happened.
26:26But, Mr. Mian,
26:28just tell me this much.
26:30Just tell me this much,
26:32Mr. Mian,
26:34the whole number games,
26:36or the attempts to complete the number
26:38for the reformation of the ID,
26:40or the conflicts in the institutions,
26:42parliament versus judiciary,
26:44for how long will we see this?
26:46For how long do we have to see this,
26:48in Pakistan,
26:50that at one place you are saying,
26:52you have weakened Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif,
26:54then my counter-question is,
26:56why has weakness been accepted,
26:58and why is compulsion
27:00presented as a thorn in the side,
27:02when you have a choice,
27:04of course,
27:06every political party has a choice.
27:08And now,
27:10even at this time, it is limited.
27:12If you want to reform the ID,
27:14then you have to go with Mr. Maulana,
27:16and if you want to go with Mr. Maulana,
27:18then you have to listen to him.
27:20For how long will the government be able
27:22to convince itself,
27:24and how long will we have to listen
27:26to Mr. Maulana,
27:28and how long will Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
27:30have to be a part of this discussion?
27:32I am very sorry to say,
27:34that the division within the judiciary,
27:36today,
27:38is on the tongue of every other person.
27:40Look,
27:42the highly respected personalities
27:44sitting in a building,
27:46if they talk to each other
27:48then it is not appropriate.
27:50Now,
27:52as far as your question is concerned,
27:54that who weakened Nawaz Sharif,
27:56I have already answered that.
27:58It is unfortunate that
28:00whenever Nawaz Sharif
28:02took over the power,
28:04or his Jamaat
28:06came into power,
28:08then he served for Pakistan,
28:10but whatever happened for him,
28:12was not good for the state,
28:14nor for the Jamaat,
28:16nor for Nawaz Sharif.
28:18In fact,
28:20for the future generations,
28:22there is a message,
28:24that those who serve for Pakistan,
28:26these difficulties are chosen,
28:28or these obstacles are created,
28:30that a person is given
28:32the title of
28:34dacoit, thief, Sicilian mafia,
28:36all over the world,
28:38so much that
28:40even if he keeps saying it,
28:42nothing can be proven,
28:44he is still called a dacoit, thief,
28:46and the dacoit, thief,
28:48is given the certificate of
28:50Sadaq-e-Ameen in Pakistan.
28:52These are the things,
28:54that even today,
28:56I have to say with great sorrow,
28:58that if the
29:00articles of Israel,
29:02that are being published,
29:04or the impact of Israel
29:06all over the world,
29:08is in front of everyone,
29:10the world knows,
29:12and if we protect the statements
29:14of the people of Pakistan,
29:16or if we raise their views,
29:18and if we don't raise the views
29:20of the people of Pakistan,
29:22then you can guess,
29:24where we are standing.
29:26Got your point.
29:28Thank you very much, Mr. Javed Lateeq,
29:30for joining us.
29:32We will come back after the break.
29:34Pakistan People's Party,
29:36where are they going with
29:38the matter of Sadaq-e-Ameen?
29:40We will talk about that as well.
29:42See you after the break.
29:44Welcome back after the break.
29:46Before the break, we were talking
29:48about PMLN and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
29:50Sharjeel-e-Inaam Mehmed Sahib is with us.
29:52He is the senior leader of
29:54Pakistan People's Party.
29:56If there is a breakthrough
29:58between the government
30:00and the opposition,
30:02then the most important
30:04figure in this will be
30:06the Pakistan People's Party.
30:08Sharjeel-e-Inaam Mehmed Sahib, thank you very much
30:10for joining me in the program. It's a pleasure having you.
30:12Sharjeel Sahib, I spoke about the breakthrough.
30:14The question is,
30:16when is the breakthrough going to happen?
30:18When are we going to see
30:20a breakthrough in INE Tarmeem?
30:22Because there are some rumours
30:24that at the end of the first week of October
30:26or at the beginning of the second week,
30:28matters will reach a straight line.
30:30Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib
30:32has repeatedly said that the Constitutional
30:34Court has to be formed.
30:36So with a thought or
30:38a guarantee, or at least
30:40you can see that things are being solved
30:42and that's why you are saying,
30:44when do you see a breakthrough?
30:46Sharjeel-e-Inaam Mehmed Sahib, thank you very much.
30:48Thanks for having me.
30:50The stance of the People's Party
30:52has always been right.
30:54At the start of democracy,
30:56an ESG was signed
30:58that judicial reforms
31:00should be brought through INE Tarmeem.
31:02So the People's Party is
31:04very keen for that.
31:06And Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib
31:08wants it to be passed
31:10with consensus.
31:12It can be passed at any time.
31:14But the People's Party
31:16wants consensus to develop.
31:18All the political parties
31:20including JUF
31:22and PTI, if they want to come,
31:24are more than welcome.
31:26We want that through INE Tarmeem
31:28people can get
31:30some kind of relief.
31:32We don't want anything to be in isolation.
31:34And all the political parties
31:36in the country,
31:38if they all come together,
31:40it will be even better.
31:42It's taking a little time
31:44and that's why we want
31:46consensus.
31:48But Sharjeel Sahib,
31:50is consensus limited to JUI?
31:52Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is saying
31:54that no one has reached out to them yet.
31:56They are on the streets.
31:58So we don't see a consensus being formed.
32:00Is PTI excluded?
32:02No, PTI doesn't want
32:04any work to be good in the country.
32:06They just want
32:08their leaders to get
32:10some kind of favour.
32:12And the rest of the people
32:14should go to the
32:16old system
32:18where people have problems
32:20and people can't get justice.
32:22And for 20-25 years
32:24people have been serving in courts.
32:26But unfortunately,
32:28Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
32:30puts the same blame on PPLN.
32:32Having said that,
32:34if anyone can break through,
32:36Sharjeel Sahib says
32:38he knows the art of possibility
32:40and he knows how politics works.
32:42So would you expect
32:44Maulana Sahib to reach out
32:46to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf?
32:48Because recently,
32:50Maulana Sahib's Jamaat
32:52has thrown the ball in the government's court
32:54to develop consensus
32:56because the government is bringing
32:58the government's work.
33:00So does the Pakistan People's Party
33:02have any intention
33:04to convince the government
33:06to at least reach out
33:08so that consensus
33:10can be developed?
33:12Look, the draft
33:14was made by Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
33:16and Chairman Bilal Bhutto
33:18wants that if a good
33:20compromise is made,
33:22it should be done.
33:24Right.
33:26And
33:28did Maulana Sahib
33:30bring it forward?
33:32Yes,
33:34that discussion is going on.
33:36That discussion is going on.
33:38It is under process.
33:40What exactly
33:42has stopped?
33:44Because we have seen a long break
33:46for some time now.
33:48The activity that was happening
33:50when the Ayani Tarweem was being discussed,
33:52we saw a long break.
33:54Where has the matter stopped?
33:56Look, there are different political parties.
33:58Everyone has their own point of views.
34:00And we think that obviously,
34:02every political party is doing
34:04its best.
34:06So if Maulana Sahib wants to
34:08make a compromise,
34:10it is definitely his right.
34:12And the People's Party wants
34:14not to upset anyone and
34:16to bring everyone together.
34:18What do you think, Mr. Shirji?
34:20The discussion is going on.
34:22It would be better
34:24if a JUF spokesperson
34:26comes and tells us.
34:28I don't think that would be appropriate.
34:30That makes sense.
34:32But do you think
34:34something is being discussed?
34:36Yes, we are hopeful
34:38and we are very much hopeful
34:40that God willing, there will be a breakthrough soon
34:42and the nation will get good news.
34:44As I said earlier,
34:46Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
34:48is very confident
34:50in the matter of the IMEI court.
34:52He was also a part of the Charter of Democracy.
34:54But the biggest question
34:56that is being raised is
34:58whether there will be
35:00an above court from the Supreme Court
35:02and a simultaneous court.
35:04Pakistan Tehreek-e-Azam
35:06is directly criticizing
35:08Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
35:10saying that
35:12the constitution
35:14that his grandfather
35:16had created
35:18should be used to destroy the constitution.
35:20How do you see this criticism, Mr. Shirji?
35:22Criticizing is the job of the PTA.
35:24But Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
35:26who was a dream of
35:28the IMEI court
35:30in the Charter of Democracy
35:32wanted justice
35:34to be served
35:36to all the people
35:38and to all the people
35:40so that the civil courts
35:42and the criminal courts
35:44can do their job.
35:46It should not be the case
35:48that a few people
35:50from lakhs of people
35:52and millions of people
35:54are pending their cases
35:56in the courts
35:58and the people
36:00are suffering.
36:02So it can be said
36:04that there is a constitutional court
36:06in the IMEI court.
36:08I am going on.
36:10Very interesting.
36:12What will be the situation of 63A, Mr. Shirji?
36:14Is Pakistan People's Party
36:16agreeable to the amendment of 63A?
36:18Mr. Maulana, do you agree?
36:20Look,
36:22I will tell you what 63A is.
36:24There is one thing in your
36:26constitution, the vote of no confidence.
36:28The way a wrong decision
36:30was passed
36:32in Bandyal's court
36:34that when there was
36:36no confidence in Punjab,
36:38they said that their vote will not count
36:40and they will be disqualified.
36:42But disqualifying is definitely
36:44a political party act.
36:46But if the vote does not count,
36:48it means that you are
36:50taking away the vote of no confidence.
36:52You are spoiling the constitution
36:54and what is present in the constitution
36:56means that once someone becomes
36:58the Prime Minister,
37:00no one can remove it
37:02and it cannot be removed
37:04This is not a democratic model.
37:06In a democratic model,
37:08there are transformations
37:10and if you want to remove
37:12a government,
37:14the only solution is
37:16that you can remove them through no confidence.
37:18So, removing the soul of 63A
37:20in its original form
37:22is definitely the need.
37:28Will this not open the door
37:30of horse trading
37:32No, not at all.
37:34If a person
37:36once proves his loyalty,
37:38his party can remove him
37:40and next time it cannot even give him a ticket.
37:42Right.
37:44Mr. Shajeel, because you are
37:46talking about larger consensus,
37:48Mr. Bilawar Bhutto Zardari
37:50has also played an important role in this
37:52regarding larger consensus.
37:54Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is protesting
37:56at this time and is on the streets
37:58and their demand is in front of you
38:00Now, can there be
38:02any situation
38:04at any point in time
38:06where Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
38:08goes towards protest
38:10and the Pakistan People's Party
38:12puts their foot down
38:14or not?
38:16Here, there should be
38:18military courts
38:20regarding the previous cases.
38:22What is the position
38:24of the Pakistan People's Party
38:26regarding the military courts
38:28The position of the Pakistan People's Party
38:30is very clear and we want
38:32that when so many constitutional courts
38:34will be formed, then people
38:36will not have any complaints.
38:38As far as religion is concerned,
38:40PTI's politics will always be
38:42about religion, fighting,
38:44riots, social media
38:46misbehaviour.
38:48We expect the same from them.
38:52There is an image of
38:54Parliament and Adliya's
38:56image.
38:58Will this also end
39:00after the formation of constitutional courts?
39:02The Pakistan People's Party does not want
39:04any tension between the institutions.
39:06We do not want any
39:08tension between the Parliament
39:10and the courts.
39:12Every rule is very clear.
39:14Every institution has its own role.
39:16We want every institution
39:18to play its own role.
39:20Right.
39:22There is an interesting statement
39:24from Mian Nawaz Sharif
39:26that Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif
39:28also has a role.
39:30He is also working on this.
39:32Is this correct?
39:34Will the Pakistan People's Party
39:36confirm that Mian Nawaz Sharif
39:38also has a role in
39:40advancing the constitution?
39:42No, I do not think so.
39:44I cannot give any sweeping statement.
39:46Right. And if so,
39:48is Zardari Sahib in contact?
39:50Can you tell us about this?
39:52President Asif Ali Zardari
39:54is the only president of the country
39:56who can talk to every party
39:58and every person.
40:00He has never closed the doors of conversation for anyone.
40:04Right. So there is a possibility.
40:06Right. Thank you very much
40:08Haji Lana Mehmood Sahib for joining me in the program.
40:10It was a pleasure having you.
40:12I see a lot of possibilities.
40:14What are the possibilities
40:16actually
40:18on ground?
40:20Will the constitution be passed
40:22this coming weekend?
40:24Will it be passed or not?
40:26There is definitely
40:28an important role of the People's Party.
40:30Because at this time,
40:32the most talked about
40:34is the Pakistan People's Party
40:36and the JUI.
40:38Maybe the government is not pursuing
40:40the same activities as the Pakistan People's Party.
40:42So let's see what happens in the
40:44near future.
40:46Will the Pakistan Institute of Justice
40:48be able to be a part of the discussion
40:50or not?
40:52Only time will tell.
40:54Anika Nisar, take care.
40:56Allah Hafiz.