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- Eyes on the next week's #Nifty50 expiry
- Reviewing #HomeFirstFinance's Q3 results

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Soni Patnaik, AVP, JM Financial Services
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00:00 Markets bounce back after three straight days of losses.
00:14 Sensex crosses 71-700 while the Nifty stands firm about 21-600.
00:20 Broader markets outperform benchmarks.
00:24 It's a sea of green across the sectors with big moves seen in metals and financials.
00:35 An IndusInd bank is the sole loser on the Nifty Bank Index.
00:39 The bank's net interest margins remain stable in Q3 while interest income gains 18% year
00:46 on year.
00:49 And more earnings on the radar today, Reliance Industries, Hindustan Unilever and Ultratech
00:54 Cement are expected to come out with their December quarter earnings.
01:00 And today on NDTV Profit, we get you top voices from the World Economic Forum, Davos, where
01:05 top economists and corporations are speaking about changing the landscape of business,
01:11 world and global economy.
01:29 Hello and welcome.
01:30 This is Agam Vakil.
01:31 You're watching the FNO show, a show in which we take you through all that is happening
01:34 in the futures and options space in Indian equity markets.
01:37 For now, we are looking at a little bit of a bounce as far as benchmarks are concerned
01:42 with both the Nifty and the Sensex advancing, currently trending in the green and by a little
01:49 less than 1%.
01:50 So, that of course is the big positive here.
01:52 As far as the Bank Nifty goes, that is also moving and advancing in trade as we speak
01:58 with gains coming in.
01:59 The question really is that at what point in time can we expect a sharp short covering
02:06 bounce.
02:07 And for now, we are keeping an eye on a whole host of factors that are in fact playing in
02:13 favor, but we'll continue to keep an eye on that one.
02:16 But as far as the markets are concerned, we are looking at traction.
02:20 Let's take a look at what's happening really with the broader markets as well.
02:24 The broader markets are also moving in tandem with the benchmarks up around 1% for now and
02:30 advancing as we speak.
02:32 Well, the small cap index and the mid cap index is up and about.
02:36 Even in the mid cap index, we do have good gains coming in as far as a handful of names
02:41 go which would include something like an IRFC which is up around 6.5%.
02:46 JSW Energy which is up around 5%.
02:49 Oracle Financial Services are gaining another 4% right now which is also up around 3.8%.
02:55 So, that's as far as the markets are concerned.
02:58 Let's take a look at the futures and options space and that's where we have traction as
03:03 far as the Nifty is concerned.
03:05 So, about a 1.6% increase in open interest towards what we think at the moment is looking
03:11 like fresh longs.
03:13 We also have traction in something like the Bank Nifty and there while we don't have too
03:20 much to speak for when it comes to open interest change, but there is the up move of 1% in
03:26 its underlying.
03:27 And if you consider what's happening in the options market, once again, keeping an eye
03:31 on 21,000 on the lower end, on the higher end, continue to keep a track of 21,700 because
03:38 that's what's going to be in focus at the moment, isn't it?
03:41 We are already above the mark of 21,600.
03:43 That's where we may perhaps see about a short covering.
03:46 The Bank Nifty is already seeing some strength now as we speak.
03:49 So, let's take a look at what's happening there.
03:54 But right, so that's as far as your markets are concerned.
03:59 We will continue to give you an idea on what's really happening with the markets as far as
04:04 your futures and options space goes.
04:07 But before that, let's get in the management of Home First Finance, Manoj Viswanathan.
04:13 He is the MD and CEO of the company where the company has posted what looks like a very
04:19 strong quarter going in.
04:20 We also had a strong reaction at open with respect to the quarterly earnings.
04:26 Manoj, good morning and thank you so much for joining in.
04:29 I want to start with your assessment of the quarter gone by in terms of the kind of growth
04:34 that you are seeing.
04:36 Are you expecting to keep up with this run rate going into the next few quarters?
04:43 The quarter has been a good quarter and I think the last two quarters in the year were
04:48 also fairly good.
04:51 So we have been targeting a 30% year on year and we have been delivering that now almost
04:58 12 quarters since we listed the company.
05:01 Outlook is definitely strong because we are in the affordable housing segment.
05:07 Housing having, you know, getting a good push from the government as well as, you know,
05:12 there being strong demand on the ground.
05:14 It's a segment that is continuously growing and we have a reasonable share in the segment
05:20 and continue to increase share.
05:23 So our outlook remains strong.
05:25 We are looking to close the year with a 30% AUM growth.
05:29 We are looking to close next year as well with a 30% AUM growth.
05:33 And our targets are now firmly set on doubling our AUM from here on.
05:38 So we are looking at a 20,000 crore AUM by FY27.
05:44 So that is what we are targeting at this point.
05:46 All right.
05:47 Manoj, I just want to talk about the margin contraction here.
05:51 The yields are down as much as 20 basis points in the last two quarters and we have seen
05:56 a little bit of an increase as far as cost of borrowing is concerned.
05:59 Can you take us through these factors and how this impacts and what implications it
06:03 has?
06:04 Yes, so we have been, you know, maintaining our yields in the market more or less.
06:12 But the cost of borrowing having gone up is eating into our spreads.
06:17 So which is why you see our spread having gone down to 5.3%.
06:21 But this is something that we had guided the market.
06:24 So we've been saying since the last three, four quarters that, you know, the spreads
06:29 that we're enjoying at 5.7, 5.8% likely to come down to about 5.25% in the next couple
06:35 of quarters.
06:36 And that is just played out.
06:38 So this is largely because of the cost of borrowing having gone up.
06:45 You know, hopefully over the next few quarters if that kind of comes down, we should be able
06:49 to, you know, at least maintain these spreads going forward.
06:53 Right.
06:54 Manoj, I also want to talk a little bit more about competitive intensity and consequently
06:59 the kind of impact that it can in fact have in terms of pricing.
07:05 How are things panning out when it comes to home loans at this moment?
07:11 Competitive intensity has been, you know, always there in the housing sector and more
07:16 in particular the affordable housing sector.
07:21 But I think most of the players in the sector recognize that they have to, you know, what
07:27 do you call it, operate at certain yields to make a decent margin.
07:32 So that kind of holds the rates.
07:37 But having said that, you know, our ability to earn these yields is because of our more
07:44 granular distribution that we have, our better service to the customer, our strong technology,
07:50 and you know, very quick turnarounds that we provide.
07:52 So all of this allows us to command a slightly higher yield in the market.
07:59 And we will hopefully be able to continue to do so.
08:03 And a final question then, Manoj, what's FY25 looking like in terms of the plans that you
08:09 have with respect to expansion and what kind of implications would it have in terms of
08:12 growth?
08:13 In FY25, we are looking at, you know, increasing our distribution in some new markets like
08:21 MP and UP, which are emerging as large affordable housing markets.
08:26 Our mainstay so far has been, you know, Western and Southern markets, where we will also continue
08:31 to deepen our distribution.
08:34 But you know, we are looking at some new markets as well.
08:39 And with this expansion, we should be able to, you know, deliver a 30% AUM growth in
08:44 FY25.
08:45 Okay, Manoj, we'll leave it at that.
08:47 Thank you so much for joining us and taking us through the quarters numbers as well as
08:49 what we can expect going forward.
08:51 That's the management of Home First Finance.
08:54 And the stock, of course, is up and about on account of quarterly earnings.
08:58 But on that note, we shift focus back to the futures and options space.
09:02 And let's get in our experts for today.
09:04 We have Richard Jain, CMT Lead Research Analyst at Fypesa and Soni Patnaik, KBPF GM Financial
09:09 Services who's joining us on the show.
09:12 Good morning to both of you.
09:13 Soni, your view on the benchmarks?
09:15 We have moved above the midday high as far as the Bank Nifty is concerned yesterday,
09:22 above that mark for now.
09:24 So there is a little bit of strength returning.
09:26 But I'm not sure if we can in fact, call this a trigger for a short covering.
09:31 The question really is at what point in time would you in fact decide that short covering
09:35 is in the works?
09:36 And how are you viewing trade on the Nifty as well?
09:40 Good morning, Agam.
09:41 And to all the viewers, thank you so much for having me on the show.
09:44 So speaking about Bank Nifty first, of course, we've seen some respite today.
09:49 But as you've rightly pointed out, there's no such data which is indicating that there's
09:53 a short covering today.
09:55 As we do believe that today being the Friday weekly closing, it is important to understand
10:00 if Bank Nifty can give a closing above 46,500.
10:03 So above that, there's a residence at 47,000.
10:06 So only the moment when it's able to cross above 47,000 back again, we can say that there
10:11 is a decisive short covering scene.
10:14 So until then, there could be a lot of volatile movement swings happening in Bank Nifty.
10:19 And one must still remain cautious, you know, maintain a caution note as long as Bank Nifty
10:25 is not able to cross and trade above 47,000.
10:28 Talking about Nifty, I think Nifty, we've seen a very strong support coming in at 21,300.
10:35 It's a very crucial support for the entire series.
10:38 So as long as we're trading above 21,300, it may consolidate, may remain sideways from
10:44 21,500 immediate basis, you know, from 21,500 to 21,800.
10:49 Below 21,500, 21,300 will still act as a cushion for any sort of bounce back or respite that's
10:56 required.
10:57 The only point is that once we break 21,300 and go below, then that's a note for maintaining
11:04 some sort of a cautious view.
11:06 But until then, unless that's not happening, I think, you know, it's not a lot of a panic
11:09 for Nifty as of now.
11:10 It may remain in this consolidation zone.
11:14 And you know, what's important to note is that Nifty has still not seen any aggressive
11:18 short positions in the last two days of a fall.
11:22 It was just the longs that were getting covered and there was no fresh short positions.
11:28 I think there's some more respite in Nifty than in Bank Nifty.
11:31 All right.
11:32 So that's the view coming in for the Nifty and the Bank Nifty.
11:36 That's of course Sony's view on it.
11:38 Richard, good morning to you as well.
11:40 How are you assessing trade when it comes to the key benchmarks?
11:42 Hi, very good morning, Adam.
11:44 So, Adam, last three trading sessions, the correction that we have witnessed from the
11:49 all-time high is mainly because of selling from the FIIs.
11:51 If you look at the cash market segment figures, then they have been net sellers around 10,000
11:56 crore on each day in last two trading sessions.
11:59 And even in the index futures, they have formed short formations and covered some of the long
12:03 positions.
12:04 So three days ago, when the markets were at all-time high, they had about 64% long positions
12:09 in the index futures.
12:10 That has now come down to 49%.
12:13 And this combination of short formations or long unwinding in the future segment along
12:18 with selling in the cash segment is usually not a good sign for our markets.
12:22 Generally, whenever you see the FIIs figures, whenever they go long in the index future
12:26 segment and they are simultaneously buying in the cash segment, that is a phase where
12:31 we usually see a good trend and a move.
12:33 That is what we have witnessed in the last two or three months.
12:35 But these figures of the last two or three days are not much encouraging for the markets.
12:39 The RSI readings technically has also given a negative crossover from the overbought zone.
12:45 So I think we would see selling pressure again at higher levels in the index.
12:49 The 50% retracement of this last three days fall is around 21,700 and 61.8% is around
12:55 21,800.
12:56 So I think these are the levels where markets would again face resistance, 21,700 or 21,800
13:02 and we would again see some more downside from that levels.
13:05 So I am not very optimistic from a very short term perspective considering that the data
13:09 has turned negative.
13:10 Yes, if the data turns positive again, then we may change our view.
13:13 But for now, it could be a good opportunity to lighten up the long positions around 21,700
13:18 to 21,800 rates.
13:20 Okay, so that's the consensus as far as our panel currently is concerned is that there
13:25 is caution and there is no reason to go long into the markets at least at the moment waiting
13:32 for a whole lot of cues before we can in fact expect a change in direction considering the
13:38 benchmarks.
13:39 But on that note, we slip into a short break.
13:42 But on the other side, we talk about stocks and a lot more.
13:45 Stay tuned.
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18:15 Hi, this is the FNO Show and we now shift focus to all the stocks which are buzzing
18:19 in trade futures and options space related.
18:23 So let's take a look at all the stocks which are seeing an increase in open interest and
18:27 we have Dixon Tech along with IndusInd Bank right at the top of that list looking at weakness
18:32 and shorts building in.
18:34 On the other hand, Titan, Birla Soft and Bharti Airtel advancing in trade with fresh longs.
18:41 And in terms of stocks which are seeing unwinding, Indiamar Intmesh was something of next expectation
18:48 since it did come up with strong earnings and we have seen the stock decline yesterday
18:53 so we are seeing an advance here today.
18:56 Oracle Financial Services, well, advancing by another 3.5%, 4% after the whopping up
19:01 move that we saw yesterday, short coverings there as well.
19:04 Aarti Industries, Chambal Fertilizers also looking at, well, decline in OI and of course
19:09 Apolita is looking at longs unwinding.
19:12 That's as far as the most active stocks are concerned in today's day of trade.
19:17 Let's see what our experts have to say and recommend.
19:20 Well, Sonia, I come to you.
19:22 I believe you have a buy on IRCTC and L&T.
19:27 Can you take us through that one?
19:28 Yes, that's correct.
19:30 So I think IRCTC technically if you look at it has taken a good support at 9.35 and moused
19:36 back.
19:37 There's a resistance around 9.80.
19:38 We believe that if this resistance is taken out, it can rally up to 10, 2090, also very
19:43 good support levels and good breakout levels.
19:46 Plus, it is also adding up some good long positions today.
19:50 So this option that I have recommended is 9.70 call option.
19:54 Although the price has moved up a bit, it's around 20, 21 right now.
19:57 If there's any decline up to 17, 17.5, we can enter in that level, keeping a stop loss
20:03 of 11 and targets of 29 to 30.
20:06 This is the first recommendation on IRCTC.
20:09 The second recommendation is in L&T.
20:12 So L&T for a very long time, there's been a good support of around 3,500 and continuously
20:19 a lot of good additions were happening in the past two days in 3,500.
20:23 So that support has held, defended even in the volatile market.
20:27 And from there, we've seen it bounce back and taken out the resistance of about 3,600,
20:33 which has proven today.
20:34 So it's a fresh breakout in L&T.
20:36 So L&T can buy in the range of 36.40 to 36.30, keeping a stop loss of 35.80 and targets of
20:44 3,700 to 3,740.
20:45 Okay, so some interesting calls coming in, one from the mid-cap space and the other one
20:50 from the large cap space.
20:52 Ruchit, coming to you, I believe you have a long on ONGC?
20:57 Yes, I have a buy recommendation on ONGC.
21:01 So if you look at recent price action, then technically there's a high top, high bottom
21:04 structure and even then in a derivative segment, we have seen a good amount of long built up
21:09 since the start of the January series.
21:10 Now in the last two, three days when we witnessed some pullback move, those long positions are
21:15 still intact, not much unwinding of those longs and prices are now crossing the previous
21:19 no reason swing as again.
21:21 So this is just a sign of a continuation of the trend.
21:24 So we are expecting a good outperformance irrespective of the market volatility in the
21:27 stock.
21:28 One can go long for short term with stop loss below 230 expecting targets somewhere around
21:33 251.
21:34 All right.
21:35 Well, let's move on and also address what's happening with the oil marketing companies.
21:40 Since Ruchit has already spoken about ONGC, you want to address what's happening with
21:43 BPCL as well because that's where we have seen some amount of an up move and well, the
21:48 trend looks good at the moment.
21:51 It's advancing today as well as we speak up another 1% but on the whole, it has kind of
21:59 bucked the trend as far as markets go and it has also done reasonably well in terms
22:04 of how things have panned out off late.
22:07 Ruchit, anything out here?
22:10 I know that BPCL has made a little bit of a swift up move off late but is there more
22:15 legs to this rally?
22:16 Quite possible.
22:17 The stock is coming out of a decent amount of consolidation phase where time wise correction
22:24 was seen in the entire month of December and till mid January.
22:28 So I think if this continues, it's a 483 would be the important level to watch out for because
22:33 that was the high which was made on the 6th of December after which the stock slipped
22:37 into that consolidation phase.
22:38 So if the price has managed to surpass that high of 483, then I think we could see some
22:44 good amount of up move in the short term itself.
22:47 So as of now, if any existing positions are there, then one should continue to ride this
22:51 trend.
22:52 Nothing looks negative for now on the data front, but 483 would be the level to watch
22:56 to know for momentum to pick in.
22:59 And also want to take a view on Reliance Industries with Soni here.
23:04 Of course, we're expecting earnings as far as Reliance Industries is concerned.
23:08 Soni, a lot of hands involved in trading in Reliance Industries, so perhaps a more challenging
23:15 stock to make a bet on.
23:18 Still, how would you see this and what would your view be on Reliance Industries?
23:24 So I think last week itself, we've seen Reliance giving a very strong breakout above 2650 and
23:31 that holds a crucial level even as of today.
23:34 On the options data, there is a lot of call writing that has happened on higher strikes
23:38 such as 2800 call, which also holds the highest open interest on the overall all across all
23:45 these strike prices.
23:46 So maybe there is a bit of a resistance at 2800.
23:49 Maybe above that level, 2800, you can see some, again, a lot of short covering happening
23:55 and a good one-sided move up to 2860, 2880 levels.
23:59 But on the downside, there are multiple support, 2700 instantly, there's a good support below
24:05 that 2650.
24:06 So the view stands that it may hold the support of 2700 and 2650, that range is a good support.
24:13 It may hold the support and bounce back towards 2800 instantly.
24:16 But the moment it is able to cross above 2800, then only you can see another fresh breakout
24:20 coming in.
24:21 So as of now, anything lower to the dip of the support, you see any dips, I think that's
24:25 where you can see a bounce back happening towards the higher end of the resistance.
24:30 Okay, that's your view on Reliance Industries.
24:34 And before we conclude, just want to take a view on some of the other bigger movers,
24:40 at least one of the other bigger movers as far as today's GF3 is concerned, and that's
24:44 Bharti Airtel.
24:45 Of course, that will also be announcing earnings a little later on, not today, but a little
24:50 later on in the week.
24:51 That's up and about and it's also the biggest gainer up as much as 2.9% as we speak.
24:56 Richit, if you have a view on Bharti Airtel, how would you trade this?
25:02 So the view is positive, even the data is positive.
25:05 Today we have seen open interest increase of about 4, 4.5% along with the price up move,
25:10 which indicates a long formation in the stock.
25:12 And even the stock is no still holding, technically holding above its 20 DMA support, which is
25:17 a crucial one.
25:18 So until we see any kind of reversals happening soon after the numbers, if no such kind of
25:25 situation is there, then I think the stock should continue to move higher.
25:28 So one can take a fresh long bet over here, but keep a stop at about 1070, which is the
25:33 support and on the high side, one can expect targets around 1050 to 1060, sorry, 1150 to
25:39 1160.
25:40 All right, well, we leave it at that.
25:41 That's your view coming in on Bharti Airtel.
25:44 But on that note, going to take a moment to thank both our experts, Richit and Soni for
25:48 joining us and taking us through their views on the markets and also giving us a whole
25:53 list of ideas to trade around with.
25:56 But with that, it's a wrap on the F&O Show.
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