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The Garden Report goes live following the Celtics game vs the Pelicans. Catch the Celtics Postgame Show featuring Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely, and John Zannis as they offer insights and analysis from Boston's vs New Orleans.

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00:00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:03 Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07 Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.
00:00:09 Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:12 It's not even--
00:00:12 Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:14 You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jamie.
00:00:18 Can I pull the John?
00:00:19 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:21 What did we say?
00:00:22 What did we do?
00:00:22 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:26 [HUMMING]
00:00:29 Ahmet wasn't there.
00:00:35 Ahmet knows you're demanding.
00:00:36 He wasn't there to trail it out for you.
00:00:39 It's OK.
00:00:39 I let it slide.
00:00:40 I wasn't on the last show.
00:00:41 I would have reminded him.
00:00:42 You are correct.
00:00:44 You are correct.
00:00:44 And he made an outro.
00:00:45 I heard there's a nice outro.
00:00:47 He made it without you.
00:00:48 I heard I might be part of it.
00:00:50 He did make it without me, but--
00:00:53 With you in mind.
00:00:53 He also showed it to me in advance, too.
00:00:56 So I did get sneaky.
00:00:58 He made it with you in mind.
00:01:01 So we are here.
00:01:02 Jimmy Toscano, John Zanis, The Garden Report.
00:01:05 What's up, dude?
00:01:07 You guys are watching live.
00:01:08 You are looking live.
00:01:09 Or you could be watching on replay.
00:01:11 And if you are, what's up, dudes?
00:01:12 Well, do it live.
00:01:13 Yeah, good morning, good afternoon, good night,
00:01:15 wherever you are watching it, if you're not live.
00:01:17 Or even if you are.
00:01:19 Yeah, or you could be listening.
00:01:20 You could be listening to the audio version of the show,
00:01:23 which is available.
00:01:24 And you can always kind of run it back,
00:01:25 play some greatest hits.
00:01:26 People don't realize it's available on Spotify,
00:01:28 I feel like.
00:01:29 They just don't think that it is.
00:01:30 Well, it is, folks.
00:01:32 Jimmy, did you fog up?
00:01:34 Yeah, I did.
00:01:35 I did fog up.
00:01:36 You going to be all right?
00:01:38 I'm not sure.
00:01:40 I'm really not sure.
00:01:42 I'm just going to wipe the screen a little bit.
00:01:44 You know, if I go really close and then back up,
00:01:47 sometimes it--
00:01:50 nope, still didn't work.
00:01:51 Yes, we don't plug it.
00:01:52 Blorp, we don't.
00:01:54 Because you guys are here, and we
00:01:55 don't feel the need to plug it to the people who are here.
00:01:57 Because you're here.
00:01:59 Because you're here.
00:02:00 Defeats the purpose, but you're right.
00:02:02 There's an audio version.
00:02:03 On the days that you're not here, you can catch it,
00:02:05 obviously, on replay and audio.
00:02:07 Good game.
00:02:08 Good podcast, too.
00:02:09 Good win.
00:02:11 Josue and Bobby at the Garden, they'll be joining us in a bit.
00:02:16 Yes, hot, hot Jimmy.
00:02:18 Hot guy.
00:02:19 Hot guy.
00:02:20 Not hot guy.
00:02:21 Big difference.
00:02:22 Not hot guy, but the hot guy.
00:02:25 What are we doing about Mahomes?
00:02:27 Mahomes can't deny him, John.
00:02:28 What does that mean?
00:02:30 What does that mean?
00:02:31 I don't talk about Mahomes, because I
00:02:33 can't stand the Chiefs.
00:02:35 Love Mahomes.
00:02:36 No, John's like a Mahomes soy boy.
00:02:40 I love Mahomes.
00:02:41 I don't know why.
00:02:42 He's not like that likable at all.
00:02:44 I marvel at him.
00:02:45 He's amazing.
00:02:46 His whole family is unlikable.
00:02:48 It goes beyond him.
00:02:50 Oh, the rest of them suck.
00:02:51 I just-- I can't--
00:02:53 watching him play is just--
00:02:55 I just--
00:02:56 Yeah, you can't deny that he's a good player.
00:02:57 But he's not--
00:02:58 I marvel at him.
00:02:59 He's not Tom Brady, and he never will be.
00:03:02 You want to know why?
00:03:03 Because Tom Brady beat him--
00:03:04 Because he's going to surpass him.
00:03:06 No, Tom Brady beat him twice.
00:03:08 So as far as I'm concerned, that debate's already over.
00:03:12 Anyway, good win tonight.
00:03:14 Bobby's going to be coming in hot with his Zion sucks
00:03:16 takes, which--
00:03:19 Painful.
00:03:20 Which I'm just-- I'm preparing myself for it.
00:03:24 Running the stats.
00:03:25 Yeah.
00:03:27 Listen, Zion-- we'll get into Zion a little bit later.
00:03:31 Anyway, it's great comeback by the South Dakotas tonight.
00:03:34 Great comeback win.
00:03:34 Jimmy's trying not to make these jokes tonight, people.
00:03:37 So you're going to have to make them for him.
00:03:39 I know.
00:03:40 You know what?
00:03:41 There's a restaurant in the North End called Table.
00:03:44 No lie, John.
00:03:45 There's a restaurant called--
00:03:46 The Table.
00:03:48 If I know Zion, he's going there after the game
00:03:50 because he eats--
00:03:51 I saw a belly.
00:03:53 He's going to eat--
00:03:54 Zion, when he eats, he eats The Table.
00:03:57 You know what?
00:03:59 That restaurant is designed to--
00:04:01 it's like a family style restaurant.
00:04:03 It is like one big table, and it's
00:04:04 supposed to be shared between, I don't know, 10 people.
00:04:07 But that's the type of place where I feel like he would go
00:04:09 and just rent the table.
00:04:11 Just one-- how many sets of--
00:04:14 basically, you know how fat you are when you order,
00:04:16 and they put however many sets of cutlery, of plastic
00:04:20 they put in the bag?
00:04:22 When you order for one, and there's
00:04:23 four sets of plastic in there, and you're like--
00:04:28 One will do.
00:04:29 Just one.
00:04:32 That's all I got.
00:04:34 Or it's actually worse when they ask you.
00:04:36 Like, how many sets of utensils do you need?
00:04:39 Just one.
00:04:39 One.
00:04:40 That's what it is.
00:04:41 My food.
00:04:41 Give it to me.
00:04:42 Give me my food, please.
00:04:44 Quick Zion-- we'll get into the game itself.
00:04:48 Nice to win a game like this after you've lost a couple
00:04:50 with not great execution.
00:04:53 Nice to win a game where you were ice cold from three
00:04:57 and were able to pull it around.
00:04:59 Nice to win a game where you went on a run,
00:05:01 and the other team kind of reverted the ice ball
00:05:04 and went ice cold, and you imposed their will on them.
00:05:09 This was great.
00:05:12 Great win there.
00:05:12 But I do want to quickly give my Zion moment
00:05:14 before Bobby comes in here and turns into a full-on brawl.
00:05:19 You and I feel the same about this guy.
00:05:21 This is an MVP if he drops 40 pounds.
00:05:24 He is ridiculous.
00:05:28 Just the speed, his quickness.
00:05:31 He's 50 pounds overweight at least,
00:05:34 and he is so quick and fast.
00:05:37 He's not even jumping.
00:05:39 Scal made a great comment in the game.
00:05:40 He literally goes by people like it doesn't even matter.
00:05:46 Like they're not there.
00:05:47 The defense doesn't matter.
00:05:49 He just slices his way to the basket,
00:05:53 and then his finesse is what blows my mind.
00:05:56 He's a good dribbler.
00:05:57 He's a good passer.
00:05:58 He made a couple bad turnovers late, but his finesse--
00:06:02 oh my god.
00:06:03 This is an MVP.
00:06:03 That's the difference.
00:06:05 35-point-per-game MVP if he just took it seriously.
00:06:10 He's that good.
00:06:12 Most dominant force since Shaq if he just took it seriously.
00:06:17 It's unreal.
00:06:18 He's Shaq, but obviously not height-wise.
00:06:23 But he's Shaq, but with finesse.
00:06:25 Shaq is pretty much--
00:06:27 Shaq had a pretty little hook and all that stuff,
00:06:30 and he had some good--
00:06:31 I'm saying physically dominant, but not physical.
00:06:33 No, but Zion, his burst is still there.
00:06:36 He can just bully you around, and then yeah,
00:06:38 it's the finesse around the rim.
00:06:40 And some of those finishes tonight at the basket,
00:06:43 the way he just went--
00:06:45 I don't even know how he did it.
00:06:46 He had one that went so high off the glass and just--
00:06:49 Yeah, the one that spins it up high.
00:06:51 It honestly is a damn shame.
00:06:53 He's robbing us of just an unbelievable talent
00:06:56 because he really is his own sworn enemy.
00:06:58 Generational type of talent.
00:06:59 Yeah.
00:07:00 And I mean, listen, he's still young enough
00:07:02 where he can figure it out, but I
00:07:03 don't know if it's going to take a change of scenery.
00:07:05 Sometimes that's--
00:07:06 I don't know if he ever figures it out fully.
00:07:08 It's going to take a lot.
00:07:10 It's going to take a lot.
00:07:11 But you can see it tonight.
00:07:12 I mean, we don't get to watch him as much
00:07:15 because they don't have the games on national TV anymore.
00:07:18 But it's still there.
00:07:21 He's still got it.
00:07:21 He just needs to-- again, he needs to not--
00:07:23 when the Pelicans go back to the hotel tonight,
00:07:27 they cannot drive past the north end
00:07:29 because I think they'll take a left turn down Hanover Street,
00:07:32 and that might be the last time we see Zion.
00:07:34 Those are the things you've got to really focus on off
00:07:37 the court.
00:07:38 But yeah, he's unreal talent.
00:07:40 And John, we had a famous debate about Zion Ingram
00:07:44 versus Tatum Brown.
00:07:46 That's on ice right now.
00:07:47 That debate's on ice right now.
00:07:50 But the point, I think, at the time
00:07:52 was, before we knew that Zion could eat himself out
00:07:56 of the league, was that these were
00:07:58 two extremely talented young players
00:08:01 that you should be able to build a franchise around.
00:08:05 Now, Pelicans haven't been able to.
00:08:07 And a lot of that is because of Zion.
00:08:10 But you can see tonight, the way that the Pelicans started
00:08:13 this game, they were more aggressive.
00:08:15 You can see the way that they can score, whether it's
00:08:18 McCollum, Ingram, Williamson.
00:08:20 The problem is, and Scal mentioned it,
00:08:21 they're not consistent.
00:08:22 So you saw it tonight.
00:08:23 Tonight was like a microcosm of, I think,
00:08:25 probably what that team is or that their season is.
00:08:28 They come out in bursts.
00:08:29 They can-- all of a sudden, they can drop 10.
00:08:31 Within a minute.
00:08:32 And then they go into these lows.
00:08:34 This game was all about runs, from whether it
00:08:36 was the Pelicans or the Celtics.
00:08:38 It was just one extreme to the next.
00:08:40 And man, the Celtics could not have started any colder
00:08:43 from beyond the arc.
00:08:44 I mean, the mid-range at the rim was OK.
00:08:48 But the three points, cold as can be,
00:08:51 stemming from that Clippers loss.
00:08:53 So got to give them credit for coming out in the second half.
00:08:55 It was a bad start with that, right?
00:08:57 Yeah.
00:08:58 After having that miserable, miserable shooting
00:09:02 game against the Clippers--
00:09:03 Hangover.
00:09:04 Yeah.
00:09:05 To come out as cold as they were to start the game
00:09:08 was definitely not great.
00:09:12 And obviously, they pulled it out.
00:09:14 Derek White--
00:09:17 Derek White, fourth quarter, man.
00:09:19 --got his groove back a little bit, because that was, again,
00:09:23 he's been cold for a little bit from three.
00:09:26 And he started this game bad, too.
00:09:28 I think one for eight or one for seven from three.
00:09:30 Yeah, he was missing everything.
00:09:31 Missed the halftime shot that was wide open.
00:09:35 But that fourth quarter, he hit that one-- no.
00:09:37 He did something, I think, in the paint.
00:09:39 And then he hit a three, like five quick points.
00:09:41 And then from that point on, he went into another level.
00:09:47 So I got to give the guards credit tonight,
00:09:49 because it was Drew Holiday, I think, for most of this game.
00:09:52 I thought Holiday was their most consistent player
00:09:54 from start to finish.
00:09:55 And then Derek White turned it on.
00:09:57 But then, again, you look at this box score,
00:10:00 or just watching the game, Tatum and Brown
00:10:04 combined for, I think, close to 50 or 50.
00:10:06 So it's like they found--
00:10:07 Not only that--
00:10:07 --a way to contribute, too.
00:10:08 They almost both had triple doubles.
00:10:10 21 rebounds between the two of them, seven and eight assists,
00:10:13 respectively.
00:10:14 It was three in the second half.
00:10:16 Yeah, crazy games.
00:10:18 Tatum finishes with 10 and eight.
00:10:20 Brown finishes 11 rebounds, seven assists.
00:10:22 Super impressive, the way they got that going.
00:10:25 Neither one shot well from three.
00:10:27 Tatum had a really bad turnover game tonight.
00:10:29 Jaylen Brown, zero turnovers tonight.
00:10:32 Zero turnovers.
00:10:33 And he took Zion, and forced a turnover late in that fourth,
00:10:36 too.
00:10:36 He did.
00:10:37 He did.
00:10:38 So good all-around games from those guys.
00:10:41 Holiday was good when everyone else was bad.
00:10:43 That made it twice as good, twice as important,
00:10:45 because a lot of people were struggling,
00:10:47 and Holiday was hitting shots.
00:10:48 And he was able to get to the basket some.
00:10:51 And he was playing well.
00:10:52 And I mean, he did the best I guess he could.
00:10:54 Matched up with Zion a couple of times,
00:10:56 but they didn't have anybody who was matching up there.
00:10:59 No, I mean, he was physical.
00:11:00 He gave it right back to Zion.
00:11:01 I thought he was physical on the offensive end
00:11:04 when he found himself up against him.
00:11:06 So it was bad.
00:11:08 You're not going to stop Zion if Zion gets into bully mode.
00:11:12 And it's just-- it's a testament to Holiday.
00:11:15 Yeah, I mean, the guy--
00:11:16 Holiday's always getting those types of match-ups.
00:11:18 And you've got to tip your cap to him for taking him on
00:11:22 and just doing the best he can.
00:11:23 But I mean, Zion hit some pretty--
00:11:26 you watch that game back.
00:11:27 You'll see him hit some pretty ridiculous shots
00:11:29 at the rim and whatnot.
00:11:30 So if you're a Pelicans fan or if you're a Pelicans player,
00:11:35 you're pissed off tonight, because this was a game
00:11:37 where you didn't play that poorly.
00:11:38 You actually played pretty damn well.
00:11:40 You just happened to play against one
00:11:41 of the better teams in the NBA.
00:11:42 And they turned it on in the second half.
00:11:44 But the talent is there.
00:11:46 I mean, Trey Murphy, the third, hit some big shots for them.
00:11:51 They have the guys.
00:11:52 It's just-- I don't know.
00:11:53 I don't watch enough of the Pelicans.
00:11:54 I don't know if it's coaching.
00:11:55 I don't know if it's just lack of execution
00:11:56 or if it's just they don't have the right veterans in place.
00:11:59 But they just don't put it all together in the Celtics.
00:12:02 You've got to give them credit for whatever adjustments
00:12:05 they were able to make at halftime.
00:12:08 I think a lot of it was just missed shots, John.
00:12:10 I mean, they were just missing three after three after three.
00:12:13 And you had to hope that it was going to even out at some point.
00:12:17 And it did.
00:12:19 And one guy we haven't mentioned--
00:12:20 and we have mentioned a couple of guys.
00:12:22 But I got to give Al Horford a little bit of credit tonight,
00:12:25 too.
00:12:26 I thought he got better as the game went on.
00:12:28 He got physical, again, against some of the younger
00:12:35 bigs in the league.
00:12:36 Again, and obviously Zion Ingram and those players.
00:12:40 Had a big, grown man, dad strength, offensive rebound
00:12:44 and putback in that fourth quarter
00:12:46 tonight that I thought was huge for them.
00:12:48 Yeah.
00:12:48 And for what it's worth--
00:12:50 and everyone's going to make a big deal about it.
00:12:52 But this is where the conversation
00:12:56 bores me a little bit on the too many threes situation.
00:13:01 I'll always favor the easy basket over the three,
00:13:04 because an easy basket is an easy basket.
00:13:06 When I'm talking easy basket, I'm
00:13:08 saying getting all the way to the cup,
00:13:10 creating easy baskets through passing,
00:13:13 not just driving into people and trying to win ISO matchups,
00:13:17 where there's help defense coming over
00:13:19 and shooters falling out of bounds
00:13:21 and creating transition opportunities the other way.
00:13:23 I mean, easy baskets.
00:13:25 You create easy baskets and easy looks by working the ball,
00:13:28 by working some matchups.
00:13:29 I always think that that's the favorite.
00:13:31 But if the Celtics stop shooting threes tonight
00:13:33 because they were cold and went away from it,
00:13:35 they lose the game.
00:13:37 The three ball got them back in it.
00:13:38 So again, I think they're not hugely different than a lot
00:13:42 of different teams.
00:13:43 You want to see them be able to get those easy baskets as well
00:13:47 and not be that entirely reliant on it.
00:13:48 But that's their formula.
00:13:51 And so they got to kind of stay with it,
00:13:53 even when it's not going great.
00:13:54 And it was going bad again after such a miserable game
00:13:58 against the Clippers.
00:13:58 And they had to keep shooting, and they did.
00:14:00 And that actually won them the game.
00:14:05 Yeah, I mean, listen, you go down 15 or whatever
00:14:08 it was in the first half.
00:14:10 And then they went down, I think, 11 in the third
00:14:12 for a quick second.
00:14:13 You're going to try to shoot your way back into it.
00:14:15 Now, it's one thing.
00:14:15 If you can get to the line and get fouls and take free throws,
00:14:18 that's great.
00:14:19 Three the hard way, there's no issues there.
00:14:23 But they have three points.
00:14:25 This team is designed and built to shoot threes.
00:14:29 So yeah, I mean, you're going to have nights like you did
00:14:32 against the Clippers or whoever, where if they're not falling,
00:14:35 then that's just it.
00:14:36 And there might be some teams that
00:14:38 can get away with it a little bit more,
00:14:39 because they might have more of an interior presence.
00:14:42 But this Celtics team focuses on those threes.
00:14:45 Even their bigs focus on threes, Porzingis and Horford.
00:14:48 Like, they don't have, I guess, K to play tonight.
00:14:51 So there's one guy that's not going
00:14:53 to be focusing on threes.
00:14:54 But--
00:14:54 That was it, man.
00:14:55 They have six of eight from three in the fourth quarter.
00:14:58 They shoot 72% of the field in the fourth.
00:15:00 They just got blazing hot.
00:15:01 And that was it.
00:15:02 Lights out.
00:15:03 They win the game.
00:15:05 I wouldn't say going away, but I mean, they friggin--
00:15:08 they just blew by him at the end there.
00:15:10 That was really impressive.
00:15:12 Fourth quarter by the Celtics.
00:15:13 So an all-around good win.
00:15:14 I'm seeing some people saying that the Missoula press
00:15:18 conference has been entertaining.
00:15:20 I'm very curious as to why.
00:15:23 I'll say this, John, too, just going back to the threes.
00:15:27 And Scal mentioned this on the broadcast.
00:15:29 This is kind of basically like coming out of halftime.
00:15:33 How the Celtics react when the shots aren't falling
00:15:37 is really going to speak to how well they'll end up
00:15:41 and how far they'll end up going.
00:15:43 Because-- and we've said this before.
00:15:45 When they miss shots, they tend to sulk.
00:15:48 They tend to start focusing on officiating
00:15:51 or whatever it might be.
00:15:52 I'm not saying that happened tonight,
00:15:53 but generally speaking, they let their guard down
00:15:56 on the defensive side if the shots aren't falling.
00:15:58 They need to figure out a way to still play hard defensively
00:16:03 when things aren't going their way offensively.
00:16:05 And I think that's kind of what happened a little bit
00:16:07 tonight with them against this team.
00:16:10 They started missing some shots, frustrating shots,
00:16:13 getting frustrated, maybe not putting in the level of effort
00:16:17 that they need to on the defensive end
00:16:19 because it's the NBA.
00:16:20 You can't just take games off.
00:16:22 And when you do, you see what happens.
00:16:24 You see the bucks.
00:16:25 You see maybe a situation like--
00:16:28 not a game, but if you take enough time off within a game,
00:16:31 it can get away from you quickly.
00:16:32 So they need to figure out how to still be engaged and play
00:16:36 hard on the defensive end.
00:16:37 And that's how you kind of get into the games
00:16:39 when the threes aren't falling, John.
00:16:41 You get stops defensively.
00:16:42 You get out in transition.
00:16:44 You tire the other team.
00:16:45 They were making Zion run tonight.
00:16:47 So he was getting winded.
00:16:48 I think he had to call out a couple of times.
00:16:50 They were attacking him.
00:16:51 So yeah, it was the threes on one hand, John.
00:16:54 But if they didn't get out and get stops and run in transition
00:16:58 and make Norlands work defensively--
00:17:01 No, they played faster too, and that was good.
00:17:03 Yeah, I don't think they got back either.
00:17:05 They got to the basket too.
00:17:07 The threes also started falling there.
00:17:10 I mean, dominant fourth.
00:17:11 They got whatever they wanted there.
00:17:13 So that was great.
00:17:15 I'm really intrigued by this Mazzullo stuff.
00:17:17 What's going on?
00:17:18 He's just being weird in ways only Joe can be.
00:17:22 So I'll let the viewers kind of determine for themselves.
00:17:27 Well, Amit will clip it for us for sure.
00:17:29 When Amit clips it and sends it over.
00:17:31 That's-- yeah, that's-- unless you
00:17:33 ask him to make some spicy intro or outro or something
00:17:37 for you.
00:17:38 No, I'm good with the outro.
00:17:39 Yeah, we're good for now.
00:17:40 It diverts his attention, yeah.
00:17:43 Hey, Amit came to my gig on Friday, John.
00:17:45 So you're on the hot seat.
00:17:46 Did he?
00:17:47 Yeah.
00:17:49 Hasn't he come a bunch?
00:17:50 He's like a groupie now.
00:17:51 He's come to a few, yeah.
00:17:52 I'm not going to say any more, but he's-- yeah, we have fun.
00:17:55 We have a good time.
00:17:56 Yeah, groupie.
00:17:58 I'm not going to say groupie, no.
00:17:59 He's not a groupie.
00:17:59 But he's got some groupies.
00:18:01 You ever watch--
00:18:01 I think he's got some groupies, to be completely honest.
00:18:04 You ever watch Flight of the Concords?
00:18:07 You know what?
00:18:08 I never really-- I know the show, but I never got into it.
00:18:10 It was a little too--
00:18:12 it was a little too Portland for me.
00:18:14 Kristen Schaal-- no, that's New Zealand.
00:18:18 It's the New Zealanders, Bret and Jermaine.
00:18:20 Anyway, it doesn't matter.
00:18:21 They're a musical duo, and they have one fan,
00:18:27 and it's Kristen Schaal.
00:18:28 And so that's why I was going to make that joke with Ahmet.
00:18:31 I don't know.
00:18:32 I don't know.
00:18:33 Yeah.
00:18:34 Ahmet's in with the band.
00:18:36 He's in with the band.
00:18:38 I'll say that.
00:18:39 Ahmet's on my VIP list, for sure.
00:18:41 So does this wash away the Clippers' stank for you
00:18:44 a little bit?
00:18:46 No, not entirely.
00:18:47 No, because again, this goes back to what I said
00:18:50 after the Bucks lost.
00:18:51 This goes back to what I said--
00:18:55 oh, after the Denver loss.
00:18:58 And I'll give the Pelicans credit.
00:18:59 They're not a basement-dwelling team,
00:19:01 but they're not a championship-contending team
00:19:03 either.
00:19:03 Does it wash it away?
00:19:04 Does it lessen the stench?
00:19:07 Sure, it does, because you know why?
00:19:08 I like that they won this game, Jerm,
00:19:10 because if they lose tonight, now
00:19:12 they've got a back-to-back tomorrow with Indy.
00:19:14 Now we're talking about, oh, God, maybe a losing streak.
00:19:17 And it's like it could all of a sudden spiral.
00:19:19 So I do like the fight, and I like the recovery
00:19:21 they made in this game.
00:19:22 But it doesn't take away from a stinker
00:19:26 against a title contender in the Clippers.
00:19:30 And again, I go back to the games
00:19:32 that they've lost this year.
00:19:34 They've lost to the Sixers.
00:19:35 They've lost to the Bucks.
00:19:36 They've lost to the Nuggets.
00:19:37 They've lost to the Clippers.
00:19:39 They're losing to all the teams that they're
00:19:40 going to see either in the Eastern Conference finals
00:19:44 or in the NBA finals.
00:19:45 So those games are never just going to disappear for me.
00:19:48 It's great to bounce back and get the wins
00:19:51 from everybody else.
00:19:52 But I still care about those games.
00:19:54 And that's why I care when they no-show
00:19:56 or when they get blown out, because those
00:20:01 are litmus tests for me.
00:20:02 And so I want good competitive games.
00:20:04 I want wins in the end.
00:20:05 So that's my answer to that.
00:20:07 But that being said, it's still a nice win for them.
00:20:11 It is a nice win.
00:20:13 I agree.
00:20:14 I think people got a little--
00:20:16 people got really-- people got triggered, Jimmy.
00:20:19 You got foggy again.
00:20:20 Yeah, I know.
00:20:21 It's-- you know what?
00:20:22 I think it's the new thing we're doing here.
00:20:24 But whatever.
00:20:25 OK, yeah, blame the tech.
00:20:26 I think it's the new thing we're doing here.
00:20:29 Blame the tech.
00:20:31 The-- welcome, Ice Cream.
00:20:33 Yeah, Joe's comments are about entitlement.
00:20:38 We'll get that in a little bit here.
00:20:40 Look at me now.
00:20:41 Yeah, we beat those teams, too.
00:20:44 But they're like five and six against some Kess.
00:20:47 It's not the end of the world.
00:20:48 That's not good.
00:20:49 That's not a good record, John.
00:20:50 Last I checked, that's a losing record.
00:20:52 Look, I mean, the best teams are going to play each other in
00:20:54 and around 500.
00:20:56 So it's not great.
00:20:57 But you lost OKC.
00:20:59 You did come back and you beat Minnesota.
00:21:01 You just lost recently.
00:21:02 You also lost to Minnesota.
00:21:03 And you lost to Minnesota.
00:21:05 You lost to Philly.
00:21:06 So I mean, you've had a couple.
00:21:07 Yeah.
00:21:07 Yeah, it's-- listen, it's-- they're floating around 500,
00:21:10 which I can't expect them to go undefeated against these teams.
00:21:13 But you asked me if it washes away the stench
00:21:15 from the Clippers.
00:21:16 It doesn't wash it away.
00:21:17 They got absolutely embarrassed.
00:21:19 And they've gotten embarrassed a couple of times this year.
00:21:21 And so I don't like that trend.
00:21:24 I don't like the idea of just throwing
00:21:27 in the towel in the middle of these games like we've seen.
00:21:29 So I want to address this one.
00:21:31 I think people do put them all in the same bucket.
00:21:34 And they're not in the same bucket.
00:21:36 The reason people bring those up is this--
00:21:41 Celtics are good enough to sleepwalk their way
00:21:43 through most games.
00:21:45 Celtics team this year has played bad games
00:21:47 in one against bad teams.
00:21:50 Other teams-- other Celtics teams didn't do that as much.
00:21:53 They would have letdowns against bad teams, which
00:21:55 would be frustrating as hell, but more excusable than giving
00:21:59 your best shot with a full roster against a good team.
00:22:04 And losing, that tells you a little more.
00:22:05 So yes, it's not the end of the world.
00:22:08 It just means more.
00:22:10 I actually think that--
00:22:11 I think the OKC just lost to Detroit.
00:22:13 I think the let--
00:22:14 I think the emotional letdown when you look past a team
00:22:17 doesn't bother me at all.
00:22:19 It really doesn't.
00:22:20 It's annoying, but I don't rant over those.
00:22:22 I don't rant over the losses against bad teams either.
00:22:25 But when you talk about them, or when you watch them,
00:22:30 they hold more weight.
00:22:32 Because both teams want to make--
00:22:35 the Clippers came in and they had--
00:22:37 they wanted to send a message because they got friggin'
00:22:39 embarrassed.
00:22:40 It was without Kawhi.
00:22:41 They got embarrassed in LA.
00:22:43 They came here, and they friggin' put it to you.
00:22:46 Denver beat you on your home court.
00:22:47 They're getting up for you the same way
00:22:49 you're getting up for them.
00:22:50 So you're getting their best shot.
00:22:53 And it doesn't mean that--
00:22:55 It doesn't mean you're going to lose to them if you face them.
00:22:57 But you're like, OK, wow, that was a loss.
00:23:01 You'd feel better about a win.
00:23:02 In the same way-- and again, I don't
00:23:04 know why fans get this way.
00:23:07 If you rip through Denver, the Clippers, Minnesota, OKC,
00:23:13 and Philly, and we're 5-0, are you
00:23:15 telling me fans wouldn't be like, look how they've
00:23:17 played against the contenders?
00:23:18 It's both ways, guys.
00:23:20 It doesn't mean because you beat the contenders
00:23:22 you would beat them in the finals,
00:23:23 but you'll puff your chest out a little bit about it.
00:23:26 If you lose to them, you're going to be like, oh,
00:23:28 so we lost.
00:23:29 OK?
00:23:30 Kind of like knocks you down a peg or two.
00:23:32 That's it.
00:23:33 It just knocks you down a peg or two.
00:23:34 That's it.
00:23:35 Yeah, it is.
00:23:36 It is not happy.
00:23:37 No, I'm just addressing your nonsense.
00:23:39 That's all, OK?
00:23:41 You're going to be that kind of fan.
00:23:43 That's what I'm going to say.
00:23:44 That's it.
00:23:45 I'm sorry, buddy.
00:23:45 [INTERPOSING VOICES]
00:23:47 We're talking about this game.
00:23:48 We're talking about bigger picture stuff.
00:23:50 We're setting--
00:23:51 That's the thing, yeah.
00:23:51 If we're talking about just this game, yeah, I have nothing to be--
00:23:54 I'm happy that we talked about it.
00:23:57 They started off cold.
00:23:59 I love the way that they responded in the second half.
00:24:00 And they're doing this without Porzingis too, which is huge.
00:24:03 Because he's monstrous.
00:24:05 But yeah, go ahead.
00:24:06 No, I mean, I don't want to repeat myself.
00:24:07 I feel like I made it very clear that I was impressed by the way
00:24:10 that they came back in the second half.
00:24:11 They were down 11 in the fourth, I think,
00:24:13 or at least nine in the fourth.
00:24:15 And Derek White got hot.
00:24:16 Jason Tatum made some--
00:24:19 again, I tweeted about this too.
00:24:21 There was a play in that fourth quarter--
00:24:23 I think it was either the third or fourth--
00:24:25 where he got called for an offensive foul.
00:24:28 It looked like McCollum kind of flopped a little bit.
00:24:30 But he got hit in the mouth.
00:24:31 They called Tatum for it.
00:24:33 Tatum kind of waved off the ref, which maybe he got lucky
00:24:38 he didn't get teed up for that.
00:24:39 But on the very next play, what did he do?
00:24:41 He saw a pass being made.
00:24:45 And he made the steal on it off McCollum.
00:24:47 And then he made a nice pass to Holliday.
00:24:49 And Holliday went in for the and-one layup.
00:24:52 And that was off-- and McCollum fouled him.
00:24:55 So I was like, that's the response
00:24:56 you want from these guys.
00:24:57 So that was a perfect example of just, again, maybe
00:25:01 a little bit of maturity there, staying in the game,
00:25:04 staying locked in, not letting the referees or the opponent
00:25:07 get under your skin, and making the right play
00:25:09 on the very next possession.
00:25:10 And flipping the game in that way.
00:25:12 So I love that from Tatum tonight.
00:25:16 So there was a lot of good moments in this game.
00:25:18 Game in general, I liked winning a little ugly.
00:25:21 I like it being gross.
00:25:23 This felt bad.
00:25:25 It felt bad, right, for a lot of the game.
00:25:27 Didn't feel good at all.
00:25:28 Yeah, it was ugly.
00:25:29 Didn't you get into a rhythm?
00:25:30 You knew you were short.
00:25:31 You knew the personnel you were missing
00:25:33 was affecting how the game was going.
00:25:35 You weren't hitting your threes again.
00:25:37 And you're starting to worry about, uh-oh,
00:25:39 is this kind of a funk?
00:25:40 Or-- no, it's too short to say regression to the mean.
00:25:44 But we saw what happened last year,
00:25:47 ridiculously hot for a while.
00:25:49 And then it came down.
00:25:50 It was like, uh-oh.
00:25:51 So if this team went on a stretch of 10 games, 15 games,
00:25:55 shooting 32% from three, does that
00:25:56 change everything about the perception of the team?
00:25:59 So yeah, you get a little-- you see them not falling again
00:26:02 and like, uh-oh, I don't like that at all.
00:26:03 And they topped it out.
00:26:04 I like that a lot.
00:26:05 And they did it--
00:26:06 they got timely baskets from Hauser and from--
00:26:10 Hauser had a huge three.
00:26:11 Yep.
00:26:12 From whatever, Keita with the dime--
00:26:14 Keita with the play of the day.
00:26:16 The dime to Hauser for the dunk.
00:26:19 That was great.
00:26:19 Those back-to-backs were terrific
00:26:21 there in the third quarter that pushed him up
00:26:22 and gave him a lead.
00:26:23 Great-- it was a good game.
00:26:24 It was a good game.
00:26:25 I counted zero Keita tweets from Bobby, I think.
00:26:28 Counted zero.
00:26:29 So I'm curious about this comment here.
00:26:32 I don't know if that's true, actually.
00:26:34 What's that?
00:26:36 TJ537 writes, "In reality, we're missing something
00:26:40 to change our opinion of this, guys."
00:26:42 What are you talking about?
00:26:43 They could be talking about you and me.
00:26:44 They could be talking about the Celtics.
00:26:46 I do wonder if it's like, you're still waiting for that--
00:26:49 maybe you know what it is, Jimmy.
00:26:50 I might misinterpret this comment,
00:26:53 but I'm going with it anyway.
00:26:55 I guess what people are looking for is like, certainty, right?
00:27:04 You want to see that thing that makes you feel like,
00:27:08 definitely, this is it, right?
00:27:11 Because I wouldn't say you've been fooled,
00:27:13 but you've gotten your hopes up now for multiple years.
00:27:17 And I know people kind of like to ride that whole, oh,
00:27:19 the Eastern Conference finals and stuff like that,
00:27:22 which is great.
00:27:23 But the reality is you're just not good enough to get there,
00:27:25 not good enough to win it.
00:27:27 And this year feels like you are.
00:27:29 So I guess any indication that you might not be kind of
00:27:35 heightens everybody's senses.
00:27:36 We see how the chat reacts after--
00:27:38 I mean, the Clippers was, "You should have seen it here."
00:27:40 Holy crap, man.
00:27:41 This place-- I was cheering people up.
00:27:44 I was like, relax, everybody.
00:27:46 It was, "We're fine.
00:27:48 Everybody chill."
00:27:49 People were freak-fired.
00:27:51 "Joe, these guys suck.
00:27:53 Tatum's never going to win it like this.
00:27:54 Brown's contract was a waste."
00:27:56 It got grisly in here.
00:27:59 It got really, really, really ugly.
00:28:02 But that's the thing.
00:28:03 You want to just feel good, right?
00:28:05 Was it as bad as they said, in your opinion?
00:28:09 It got killed, man.
00:28:10 Obviously not.
00:28:11 But--
00:28:12 They got killed.
00:28:13 I'll say this about you, John.
00:28:15 Maybe this is just this year.
00:28:17 What?
00:28:17 You've been relatively non-panic.
00:28:21 Like, we may have to change the panic meter.
00:28:24 Because you haven't really--
00:28:25 I want to say you haven't really cared much
00:28:27 about any of these losses.
00:28:29 Because I'm kind of here.
00:28:31 I kind of think that it's--
00:28:36 nothing-- it's-- you know how you felt--
00:28:39 I'll put it this way.
00:28:40 For about 15 years covering the Patriots or longer,
00:28:45 nothing mattered.
00:28:46 Nothing mattered.
00:28:47 There were two games in the season, the AFC championship
00:28:50 and the Super Bowl.
00:28:51 Nothing mattered.
00:28:53 So they could play like ass in a game and be like, who cares?
00:28:56 They're going to go here.
00:28:57 It's so like, you realize how good this team is.
00:29:00 None of it really matters.
00:29:01 It's like, when you get to that point in the playoffs,
00:29:05 are these guys who have let you down in the past going
00:29:09 to not let you down this time?
00:29:11 It's all anyone cares about, right?
00:29:14 You know, I'm not-- before I get angry,
00:29:16 because here's why I would get angry before,
00:29:18 just to understand it.
00:29:19 Like, I didn't like these guys.
00:29:22 Like, I didn't like what they were doing.
00:29:24 I didn't think they had the pieces.
00:29:25 I didn't like the way the Jays were playing.
00:29:27 I didn't think they could do it on their own.
00:29:29 I thought they needed help.
00:29:30 I wasn't a Marcus guy.
00:29:32 I didn't buy it.
00:29:33 I never bought it.
00:29:34 I buy this team because I think they've got it.
00:29:37 So now you're just waiting till you get to the playoffs.
00:29:39 And just to see, so do they actually have it?
00:29:42 And if they do, you'll just feel good about it.
00:29:44 But I think Kes is right.
00:29:45 You're never going to get there.
00:29:47 You're never going to feel good, like so good
00:29:50 that they've got it locked up.
00:29:52 I'm never going to feel that bad because I
00:29:53 know how good they are.
00:29:55 If they're healthy, they get there.
00:29:56 That's when we're going to kind of make our decision making.
00:29:59 But I'm not getting high and low with a lot of things
00:30:01 because I've seen enough to know it's not the same thing.
00:30:04 They're able to win games like this when they're playing bad.
00:30:08 They're able to execute down the stretch.
00:30:10 They're able to win games with their defense.
00:30:12 They've won games a lot of different ways.
00:30:14 It's much different.
00:30:15 It's much better.
00:30:16 But you just got to see how it's going
00:30:18 to play in the playoffs or whether Tatum and Brown step
00:30:20 it up, all the other teams do.
00:30:23 Yeah.
00:30:23 So that's why I'm not freaking this year
00:30:25 because before I had issues, a lot of issues with the team.
00:30:28 I don't have issues with this team or how they're playing
00:30:31 or when they shoot too many threes.
00:30:32 They'll have good nights, bad nights.
00:30:34 But I like this team and I think they've got it.
00:30:36 We'll just see what happens.
00:30:37 So that's where I'm at.
00:30:38 I think there's a lot of truth to that.
00:30:41 I guess my only concern is probably
00:30:45 something that doesn't exist, which is not wanting this
00:30:49 to turn into a trend where they do lose,
00:30:51 they do start to play lazy basketball for the next 20
00:30:55 games because they're bored and they just
00:30:57 want to get to the playoffs, like you say.
00:30:59 And they know that they look at the standings
00:31:01 and they're a one seed and that it's really
00:31:03 their conference to lose.
00:31:06 I'm all about trying to build good habits going
00:31:10 into those playoffs.
00:31:10 So yeah, I'm not freaking out after a loss,
00:31:14 but I'm making a note of it and saying, OK,
00:31:16 that was a weird game.
00:31:17 This one was also weird.
00:31:19 Not this one tonight, but just game X was a weird game.
00:31:22 And trying to take--
00:31:24 what are they taking from those games?
00:31:26 Or what's Joe Mizzou take from those games?
00:31:27 Now, Joe seems to downplay a lot of these games,
00:31:31 much like you do.
00:31:31 So maybe you two are like two peas in a pod in that sense.
00:31:35 You're a lot more similar than you think.
00:31:38 I'm saying I've seen enough in the regular season
00:31:40 to feel good about the team in general.
00:31:43 I don't know what--
00:31:45 The Celtics do not have a Tom Brady
00:31:47 and they do not have a Bill Belichick.
00:31:48 And they have not ever won anything yet either.
00:31:50 So that would be where the comparison ends.
00:31:53 Jimmy, would it stun you?
00:31:55 Would it stun you?
00:31:56 I mean, again, it's like--
00:31:58 I don't believe Bill Belichick.
00:32:01 I mean, again, Miami's the eighth seed right now.
00:32:05 Would it stun you if they lost a 1-8 matchup to Miami?
00:32:08 Stun you, I mean.
00:32:09 The Celtics?
00:32:09 No.
00:32:10 No.
00:32:11 It wouldn't, right?
00:32:13 I mean, this team, yeah, I think it kind of would.
00:32:16 They just dismantled the Heat too.
00:32:17 I know that's just an example you're giving for an eighth
00:32:19 seed.
00:32:20 But to your point and to your credit, John,
00:32:22 I agree with you that this Celtics team,
00:32:25 I feel a lot better about it than I have the past team.
00:32:28 So yeah, that would stun me.
00:32:30 But I've talked about this already.
00:32:31 The second round is not going to be easy.
00:32:33 You're going to end up probably with the Pacers, maybe.
00:32:36 That's what I mean.
00:32:37 It's like, I picked the Heat because even that wouldn't
00:32:40 be a cupcake.
00:32:40 No, it wouldn't be either.
00:32:41 But in the second round, Pacers, Knicks, whomever,
00:32:47 all of that feels like far from a certainty.
00:32:52 So yeah, I think they're better than these teams.
00:32:54 I've been getting experience.
00:32:56 I think they have--
00:32:56 I think there actually is a slight separation between them
00:32:59 and the Pac in this year.
00:33:01 I think it's them and then everyone else.
00:33:02 I don't think they're that far behind.
00:33:04 But I think that the 2, 3, 4, 5 are actually pretty tightly
00:33:08 packed together.
00:33:09 And the Celtics, I think, are a bit above them.
00:33:12 But until we get there, we're not going to know.
00:33:15 That's kind of--
00:33:15 They are a bit above them.
00:33:17 Just to explain, that's just to explain why I'm not--
00:33:21 Yeah.
00:33:21 I mean, the seven-game series switches--
00:33:25 changes things up, too.
00:33:26 I mean, coaching becomes more important, I think,
00:33:28 in a playoff series.
00:33:29 Adjustments, mid-series, becomes a little bit more
00:33:32 of a chess match.
00:33:33 So how do you feel about that?
00:33:35 I guess that's something that you'll cross.
00:33:36 And then, again, just going out and doing it.
00:33:40 We keep saying that they can do it.
00:33:42 They can do it.
00:33:43 But we need to actually see them do it.
00:33:45 We do.
00:33:45 We do.
00:33:46 We're going to hear from Joe Mazzuolo.
00:33:48 We're going to hear from Bobby Manning.
00:33:50 Ridiculous things from Bobby.
00:33:51 I'm preparing you guys.
00:33:52 I'm telling you.
00:33:53 I just went through his tweets.
00:33:55 I went through his tweets.
00:33:56 And yeah, he's like, five straight points
00:34:00 off Zion turnovers, bop, bop, bop.
00:34:02 You know what I mean?
00:34:02 It's like stuff like that.
00:34:03 He's just--
00:34:04 Agenda.
00:34:04 Agenda.
00:34:05 It's agenda.
00:34:06 Agenda.
00:34:08 We also have an agenda here.
00:34:10 This thing doesn't work.
00:34:11 It's too low.
00:34:14 Too low.
00:34:15 Doesn't work.
00:34:16 Move the ticker.
00:34:17 My lower third doesn't work.
00:34:18 Well, just get rid of the ticker.
00:34:21 Oh, but my lower third doesn't work.
00:34:24 I don't know why that is.
00:34:26 There you go.
00:34:26 You got rid of the ticker.
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00:34:31 Dudes.
00:34:33 Hey.
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00:34:37 Why?
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00:34:55 But go on.
00:34:56 OK.
00:34:57 Super Bowl Sunday is all about scoring the best
00:34:59 seat on the couch, grabbing your favorite football snacks.
00:35:02 Jimmy has a go-to.
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00:35:06 Oh, Buffalo chicken dip?
00:35:08 Buffalo chicken dip.
00:35:09 That's your thing.
00:35:10 That's your agenda, right?
00:35:10 Oh, Super Bowl, you've got to have--
00:35:12 I mean, everyone's got to have a Buffalo chicken
00:35:13 dip at the Super Bowl, amongst other things.
00:35:15 But yeah, you've got to have that.
00:35:15 Amongst other things.
00:35:16 And placing some super bets.
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00:36:14 All right, heading back to the game.
00:36:15 One last thing.
00:36:17 One last thing on FanDuel.
00:36:19 OK, yeah.
00:36:20 I tossed in a quick--
00:36:22 I tossed in a bet at halftime on the Celtics plus 2 and 1/2.
00:36:25 That's how Vegas had this game tonight,
00:36:32 because the Celtics were down by whatever it was they were down.
00:36:35 Plus 2 and 1/2.
00:36:36 I think it was a little before halftime.
00:36:39 Do we want to hear from Weird Joe?
00:36:40 You got to keep the live bets.
00:36:42 You got to check FanDuel during the game.
00:36:45 If you think the Celtics are--
00:36:47 let's say the Celtics are down 10 or 12,
00:36:49 but you don't think they're playing horrible.
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00:36:52 You put in a live bet.
00:36:53 Put in your $5 FanDuel bet.
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00:37:01 OK.
00:37:02 I'm down.
00:37:05 It's a value bet.
00:37:06 I'm down.
00:37:08 We've addressed this one, Ethan.
00:37:12 I don't know.
00:37:13 Here's what I'll say.
00:37:15 Here's what I'll say about it.
00:37:16 Yes.
00:37:21 Yes-ish.
00:37:25 But also, Eamon is the type of guy
00:37:27 that a team could tune out also, because he's hard,
00:37:32 and he could be a bit of an ass.
00:37:34 And sometimes people don't want to hear that.
00:37:36 So you never know who the right guy for what team is.
00:37:38 I'll say this about Eamon.
00:37:39 I'll put it to bed once and for all.
00:37:41 Eamon was the right guy for the team he coached.
00:37:46 Jimmy.
00:37:47 Eamon was the right guy.
00:37:49 Couldn't help himself.
00:37:50 That's what she said.
00:37:50 Eamon was 100% the right guy for that team he coached.
00:38:00 That team needed a slap upside the head.
00:38:03 And he gave it to him, and he turned him around,
00:38:05 and he made them a frigging killer,
00:38:07 and he got them to the finals.
00:38:08 I don't know if he's the right guy for this team.
00:38:10 I don't know.
00:38:10 So yeah.
00:38:12 I'm going to answer that by saying I think
00:38:13 that it hurt them last year.
00:38:15 I think Eamon gets them back to the finals,
00:38:18 and I think they maybe even win it.
00:38:20 But I thought they lacked toughness last year,
00:38:21 and we saw that against the Heat.
00:38:23 And I don't think it matters this year.
00:38:26 I don't think Eamon thinks it matters at all this year.
00:38:28 So it's over and done with.
00:38:31 Yeah, it's over and done with.
00:38:32 It's over and done with.
00:38:34 You may or may not love Joe, but I
00:38:36 think continuing with the Eamon stuff I think
00:38:38 is silly at this point.
00:38:40 If you didn't like Joe, you could have gotten someone else.
00:38:42 So at this point, it's on management.
00:38:45 If you want to be the Bucks and Brad
00:38:47 doesn't think Joe's the guy, you can do the Adrian Griffin
00:38:49 right now and get spicy with it.
00:38:51 You got assistance on there too.
00:38:53 If you really didn't like the guy, great.
00:38:56 You've got options.
00:38:57 You're the Celtics, OK?
00:38:59 So you can do something.
00:39:00 In the balls.
00:39:02 But I don't know what I'm throwing to here,
00:39:05 but I'm told Joe did weird stuff a couple of times.
00:39:08 Here's the first one.
00:39:09 I don't know how weird this is, but this
00:39:11 was Joe talking about expectations or entitlement,
00:39:14 I should say.
00:39:14 And I can't tell if he's digging at his team
00:39:17 or the unfair expectations around it.
00:39:21 You brought up the sense of entitlement a couple of times.
00:39:24 I don't think it's the team, personally.
00:39:26 I think it's just this general narrative of this
00:39:28 is supposed to go our way all the time.
00:39:30 So do you think that's just outsiders thinking
00:39:33 the Celtics should be wiping everybody off the court?
00:39:36 I didn't say that.
00:39:37 So can you just tell me what this is?
00:39:42 Yeah, I just think it just happens.
00:39:44 It just happens.
00:39:46 It's just like being down 10 in the NBA
00:39:50 is really not foreign to the 99th percentile of the NBA.
00:39:55 That happens all the time.
00:39:56 And so at halftime, I said that.
00:39:58 I was like, what are you doing?
00:39:59 It's a 10-point game.
00:40:00 It's three possessions in an NBA game.
00:40:03 Or the idea of having to battle for a win, earn a win,
00:40:07 it's like, Celtics have to earn a win tonight?
00:40:10 It's like, yeah, playing in the NBA.
00:40:13 It's a good team.
00:40:14 And so we can't lose sight of the fact
00:40:16 of we have to earn a win every night.
00:40:18 It's going to be just as hard tomorrow.
00:40:20 Doesn't matter if the record's 5-20 or they're undefeated.
00:40:23 You see it all around the league.
00:40:25 So it's fine, but it's, again, it's
00:40:30 Joe versus the media, and basically like--
00:40:33 Is it?
00:40:33 I didn't even--
00:40:34 Yeah, I'll tell you why it is.
00:40:36 It's actually-- I speak Joe now.
00:40:38 I can decipher this pretty easily.
00:40:41 OK?
00:40:41 What it means is you all think we're king shit,
00:40:49 and we should come out here and eviscerate
00:40:51 every team that's lower than us.
00:40:53 And NBA teams are good, and we have
00:40:56 to play hard out of the time.
00:40:57 And sometimes it's going to be ugly,
00:40:59 and we're not perfect either.
00:41:00 And it's about the process, and it's about how we go about it.
00:41:04 But if we don't go out there and blow these teams out,
00:41:06 you guys ask us questions about how we didn't do this
00:41:09 and didn't do that, or blah, blah, blah.
00:41:11 And basically, it's your expectations of the team.
00:41:15 Entitlement is the wrong word, because entitlement makes
00:41:20 it sound like it's the players.
00:41:22 What he means is the media expectations
00:41:24 or the outside expectations of the team
00:41:27 and how the narrative around the team
00:41:30 is shaped by it, which is if you don't kill them,
00:41:32 you did something wrong.
00:41:34 And what he's doing is defending his team against that.
00:41:37 Makes sense?
00:41:38 Yeah, that makes sense the way you put it.
00:41:39 I took it a little bit more where
00:41:41 he was telling his players, like, hey, yeah, we--
00:41:44 none of this is given.
00:41:45 He's in his feelings again, but yeah.
00:41:47 Yeah.
00:41:48 Yeah, and it's fine.
00:41:49 I mean, sure.
00:41:51 I get that.
00:41:51 I get that.
00:41:52 So he's basically just saying--
00:41:53 I think people are saying it too.
00:41:55 Tatum's got it, yeah.
00:41:57 Right, I think--
00:41:58 But it's also the excuses for poor play.
00:42:01 I think there's just a lot of defense of the team, you know?
00:42:05 So--
00:42:06 Or is he telling his guys, like, you don't have the opportunity
00:42:09 to coast.
00:42:09 When you do, this is what happens.
00:42:11 Like, we do need to play hard.
00:42:12 Doesn't matter who you're playing.
00:42:13 We need to play hard, and we need to compete.
00:42:15 It's the NBA, and it's the 1% of the 1% in the world.
00:42:21 And if you take nights off, you're
00:42:24 going to end up sitting the second half,
00:42:25 or you're going to sit in the fourth quarter,
00:42:26 because things got out of hand quickly.
00:42:28 I don't know if that had any part of that message,
00:42:32 or if it's just strictly him saying,
00:42:34 what do you guys expect?
00:42:35 Of course it's going to be hard.
00:42:36 It's the NBA.
00:42:37 Yeah, like, we're human.
00:42:39 We play different games.
00:42:40 These are good teams.
00:42:41 But I think it's kind of like, you guys get hard on us
00:42:46 when we're not being this way.
00:42:47 It's, again, a little bit of oversensitivity,
00:42:50 but I don't give a crap.
00:42:51 I just don't get it after a win.
00:42:53 I don't know what the line of questioning was there,
00:42:55 but that's what it was.
00:42:58 I'm also told he and Bobby had a weird exchange.
00:43:01 In this, I'm already nervous to play.
00:43:03 I don't know what it is, but--
00:43:04 [LAUGHS]
00:43:06 I don't know what it is.
00:43:07 Just play it.
00:43:08 I'm going to play it.
00:43:10 Joe, you talked a lot before the game about pulling lessons
00:43:12 from a game.
00:43:13 Do you even pull lessons from a half after that first half,
00:43:16 especially the way you came out in the second
00:43:18 and applied them on some of those runs,
00:43:19 and even some of the runs they went on in the second half?
00:43:23 I'd like to get your take.
00:43:24 You thought the second quarter was bad?
00:43:25 25 points.
00:43:27 We only gave up 24.
00:43:29 Yeah, but in terms of the offense,
00:43:31 how that went better in the second half.
00:43:32 Yeah, I mean, I think that's the key, right?
00:43:34 I think the first half, there's this sense of entitlement
00:43:37 where we're just supposed to play amazing basketball every
00:43:39 quarter, every game, and that's just not how it works.
00:43:42 And like I said to the guys at halftime,
00:43:44 it felt like we gave up 24 points.
00:43:47 It was 25 to 24.
00:43:48 We won the quarter after giving up 36.
00:43:51 And so this expectation of it's supposed
00:43:53 to go a certain way all the time,
00:43:55 it can be extremely unhealthy.
00:43:56 And we have to just continue to play,
00:43:58 regardless of whether down five, up eight, it doesn't matter.
00:44:02 And so I thought the momentum changed for us
00:44:04 in the second quarter when we finally started to defend,
00:44:08 gave up a 24-point quarter.
00:44:10 Loved the process of the shots that we got in the second
00:44:12 quarter, and we can't be defined by a result.
00:44:16 And so if we're going to only play--
00:44:18 we're only going to feel good about ourselves
00:44:20 when the ball's going in, then that's a recipe
00:44:21 for short-term success.
00:44:23 And I thought that was what the issue was in the second quarter
00:44:25 but I thought we played great.
00:44:26 So I would say that three quarters of basketball
00:44:29 was kind of who we were.
00:44:32 OK, so that must have been asked before the second clip
00:44:37 that we played-- the first clip that we played,
00:44:38 because that makes more sense that he's
00:44:40 talking about expectations on the outside, not on the inside.
00:44:46 You know what I mean?
00:44:47 I just said--
00:44:48 I've said this before.
00:44:49 We can pick on Bobby.
00:44:51 You guys can't pick on Bobby.
00:44:54 So I don't like that, Joe, but that's OK.
00:44:56 Again, it's the--
00:44:58 It's clear that he's talking--
00:44:59 it's clear that what you said, your interpretation
00:45:03 of his first clip that we played,
00:45:05 it's clear that you were right on that.
00:45:08 And I honestly don't mind these things.
00:45:09 I just don't even know why you need
00:45:11 to be defensive in a win here.
00:45:13 These aren't scathing, difficult questions at this point.
00:45:18 I'm confused by it, but yeah.
00:45:20 I just don't see--
00:45:21 I don't see the--
00:45:22 I don't see the need.
00:45:23 I don't see-- I don't see what's--
00:45:24 I don't see what's--
00:45:26 both the questions, I just don't see the benefit of it.
00:45:30 I don't get it.
00:45:31 Well, yeah, I mean, listen, they scored 25 points
00:45:35 in the first-- in each of the first two quarters.
00:45:37 Like, typically, that's low scoring for them.
00:45:39 So I think it's fair for Bobby to bring up that aspect of it.
00:45:43 Yeah, OK, they clamped down a little bit
00:45:44 on the defensive side, but the whole point of what he was
00:45:47 talking about was offensively.
00:45:48 So yeah, I don't really see the need to ask.
00:45:53 It's like, you actually don't care what Bobby thinks
00:45:55 of the first of the second quarter.
00:45:56 So don't say, oh, I'm interested in what you think.
00:45:58 You tell me.
00:45:59 No, you actually don't give a shit.
00:46:01 So whatever.
00:46:04 And this is exactly right.
00:46:06 This is basically what--
00:46:08 here's the thing.
00:46:09 Here's the secret.
00:46:10 It's not a secret.
00:46:12 Every player in every sport and every coach in every sport
00:46:16 thinks everyone asking them a question knows nothing,
00:46:20 and they're right.
00:46:22 Nobody in that room knows what they're talking about
00:46:26 within a mile of these guys.
00:46:29 They're not even close.
00:46:31 The things that these guys see and the complexity of the game
00:46:36 and how they view it--
00:46:37 and I'm talking everything--
00:46:40 angles, how they approach--
00:46:41 I mean, they are--
00:46:44 they dissect it in such a granular level.
00:46:46 We're just Neanderthals trying to say,
00:46:49 even the people who think they know stuff
00:46:51 don't know anything.
00:46:53 And so yes--
00:46:55 Oh, you know a ball.
00:46:57 You know a ball, John.
00:46:58 This is the contract between know-nothing reporters
00:47:02 and the people who answer the questions.
00:47:05 You kind of let it go, because if you
00:47:09 had this feeling all the time, every answer
00:47:11 would be like this, every single one.
00:47:14 Because nobody is entitled to ask a question,
00:47:16 because they don't understand on a level, on a high enough level
00:47:20 to be able to question these guys about why did this happen
00:47:23 and how did this go that way.
00:47:24 It's just about the kind of the professional exchange
00:47:27 and the dance that you do in the back and forth.
00:47:29 That's all it is.
00:47:30 And some people call it out.
00:47:31 You know?
00:47:33 And Joe likes to call it out.
00:47:36 But again, nobody in that room knows--
00:47:40 like I said, everyone in that room,
00:47:42 even the people who know basketball great,
00:47:45 had just graduated kindergarten.
00:47:46 And Joe has a PhD.
00:47:48 Like it's not even close.
00:47:50 But I don't think--
00:47:51 And that's not insulting.
00:47:52 It's not insulting.
00:47:54 They're that good.
00:47:55 They're that good.
00:47:56 Right, but I'm not going to speak
00:47:58 for any of the other reporters.
00:48:00 But when I was covering teams, I didn't go in there--
00:48:04 I went in there to try to ask questions
00:48:06 so that I could relay the information
00:48:08 and explain it to other people who also don't know anything.
00:48:11 Tell me what happened.
00:48:12 Yeah, so I think that originally was what the reporter's job was.
00:48:16 Well, then they feel challenged.
00:48:17 It's kind of evolved over the years now, where everyone
00:48:19 is an analyst too.
00:48:20 And they want to break down the film.
00:48:22 And by all means, please do.
00:48:24 But I think that's where there's maybe more of a back and forth
00:48:28 between reporters and coaches, reporters and players,
00:48:30 when the reporter wants to tell you
00:48:34 or wants to shape the question in a way that's
00:48:36 kind of insinuating something or telling you something
00:48:39 that you're doing wrong or whatever,
00:48:41 instead of just asking and saying, hey,
00:48:44 I'm just asking this question so that I
00:48:45 could fill a quote for my story on what happened tonight.
00:48:47 You know what I mean?
00:48:48 So it's just changed over the years.
00:48:50 But I can understand why players or coaches would be like,
00:48:53 dude, shut up.
00:48:54 When they feel challenged, when they feel challenged,
00:49:00 what is it you saw that you didn't like?
00:49:02 Basically, they might be asking a relevant question.
00:49:05 He just doesn't think you have the right to the question.
00:49:07 And again, they're not wrong.
00:49:10 So I get where they're coming from on it.
00:49:13 I think that's kind of what it is there.
00:49:16 But yeah.
00:49:17 Don't come at Bobby.
00:49:18 Only we come at Bobby.
00:49:20 Only we do that.
00:49:21 We're going to wrap this in a little bit.
00:49:23 I'm not waiting for Bobby if he's going to take an hour.
00:49:25 Just not going to do it, Jimmy.
00:49:26 Joe Sway there?
00:49:28 You know what?
00:49:29 I'm handing the show to those guys.
00:49:32 Yeah, I thought they'd be on by now.
00:49:34 We're almost an hour in.
00:49:36 Yeah, we're almost an hour in.
00:49:38 These guys aren't supposed to make you wait after a win,
00:49:42 right?
00:49:43 No, they're not.
00:49:44 Maybe they're talking to Zion.
00:49:45 Maybe they're snacking in the visitor's locker
00:49:51 and with the rest of the Pelicans.
00:49:52 What do you think?
00:49:53 Does Pacers tomorrow on a back to back,
00:49:55 you think Porzingis plays?
00:49:58 I'm going to say yes.
00:49:59 I do think he plays.
00:50:01 He wants to play.
00:50:02 I saw him all-- he was all practicing, wasn't he?
00:50:04 Or I saw him like some video shooting around or whatever.
00:50:06 I think that they know Al's not going to play tomorrow.
00:50:09 And so they said, let's hold Porzingis out one more.
00:50:12 I kind of think so too, right?
00:50:15 They keep saying they're not worried about the ankle.
00:50:17 So OK, if you're not worried about it, then put him in there.
00:50:19 Let's see what's going on.
00:50:20 All right, John.
00:50:21 We'll hang a little bit.
00:50:23 Thank you for the plea.
00:50:25 I need this.
00:50:26 I need this.
00:50:27 [LAUGHS]
00:50:29 We all need this.
00:50:31 My kids haven't been in school for eight days, buddy.
00:50:33 Oh my god, yeah.
00:50:34 That's crazy.
00:50:35 Any progress today?
00:50:38 No, this is my strike beard.
00:50:41 Yeah.
00:50:42 What's your opinion?
00:50:43 No, I'm just kidding.
00:50:44 Don't answer that.
00:50:45 No, you don't want to hear it.
00:50:46 [LAUGHS]
00:50:48 Yeah, that's tough.
00:50:51 Yeah, it's a tough situation over there.
00:50:52 So for people who don't know, John
00:50:55 lives in Newton, Massachusetts.
00:50:56 And all the teachers are on strike.
00:50:58 [LAUGHS]
00:51:00 So he's-- what are you?
00:51:02 Are you playing like Daddy Daycare over there?
00:51:05 This week?
00:51:06 A little bit.
00:51:07 Wow.
00:51:08 I'm looking after 18 kids tomorrow.
00:51:12 Wow, thoughts and prayers to all those children.
00:51:14 I know, exactly.
00:51:16 How does that end up happening?
00:51:18 Is that to force the teacher's hands?
00:51:20 Say, look what you're doing to our kids.
00:51:22 This animal.
00:51:24 [LAUGHS]
00:51:25 Look what they're forced to listen to.
00:51:27 Fessenden, yeah, my daughter practices soccer there.
00:51:30 Just sit them in front of the Garden Report.
00:51:32 No, one of the parent organizations,
00:51:35 they arranged it where some middle schoolers are trying
00:51:39 to entertain kids at the basement of this such and such.
00:51:42 And they need a parent to keep them from dying.
00:51:46 And I'm that guy tomorrow.
00:51:48 Oh, wow.
00:51:49 Yeah.
00:51:49 Well, good luck.
00:51:50 Yeah.
00:51:52 Good luck to the kids, not to you.
00:51:54 Good luck to the kids.
00:51:55 Good luck to the kids.
00:51:57 Yeah, I'm that guy.
00:51:59 Jimmy, you're Pacers tomorrow.
00:52:00 What do you think?
00:52:01 Listen, you know I'm a huge Pacers guy.
00:52:06 But I'm very intrigued by the Pacers after this trade
00:52:12 that they made.
00:52:15 I do think that they're easily a top four team.
00:52:18 I think I had said top three.
00:52:21 But it's hard for me to really say one way or the other
00:52:24 if they're better than the Sixers or the Bucs
00:52:26 until I see a little bit more with them.
00:52:30 But was it the last game they played
00:52:34 where Halliburton got hurt?
00:52:35 I think it was in the middle of that game.
00:52:38 We did that split.
00:52:39 So--
00:52:40 Yeah, I teach ball.
00:52:42 I want to see them--
00:52:43 I want to see both teams' full strength going at it.
00:52:45 Oh, Zervas, I'm right down the street.
00:52:47 We're in danger.
00:52:48 Anyway, go ahead.
00:52:50 You don't actually care.
00:52:52 I do care.
00:52:53 Halliburton--
00:52:53 No, I'm just excited for the game.
00:52:54 --got hurt, that last one.
00:52:55 I'm excited for the game.
00:52:56 It's just two like hot, like entertaining teams.
00:53:00 Both have really good offenses.
00:53:01 I like what the Pacers do to teams.
00:53:04 They really make you run.
00:53:08 They make, again, it's like,
00:53:10 I said this to Bobby or whoever, I think it was Bobby,
00:53:12 or no, it was you.
00:53:13 If you're the Celtics, you can't fall into their trap,
00:53:18 which is playing their game,
00:53:21 which is shots, shots, shots, shots, offense, offense,
00:53:25 offense, offense, offense.
00:53:26 It's very rare that you're going to out-offense the Pacers.
00:53:29 What you need to do is try to slow them down,
00:53:31 play hard on the defensive end, and get physical with them.
00:53:34 That's the one thing I'll say about the Pacers.
00:53:37 I don't like playing the Pacers, yeah.
00:53:39 - Get out and run.
00:53:40 - You have to be tough and physical with them.
00:53:44 Slow them down, knock them to the ground, don't be dirty.
00:53:48 But I don't think the Pacers wanna get
00:53:49 into a defensive game with anybody.
00:53:52 They wanna just shoot, they wanna be flashy,
00:53:54 they wanna dance around.
00:53:55 Tyrese Halliburton wants to be Steph Curry 2.0 now,
00:53:59 and all this stuff.
00:54:01 And I think the Celtics can't fall into that trap.
00:54:05 They can't let, what's his name?
00:54:07 What's his name?
00:54:07 Mac, Mac, my guy, McConnell, TJ McConnell.
00:54:11 They can't let TJ McConnell run the show,
00:54:13 like they did last year.
00:54:14 - I don't like this notion of slow.
00:54:17 - John, they can't let TJ McConnell run laps around them.
00:54:21 - That's all that happened last time.
00:54:23 Make shots, defend.
00:54:25 Just, you know, that's it.
00:54:28 - You have to defend, but you can't get
00:54:30 into a running gun type game with this Pacers team.
00:54:32 That's what they want.
00:54:33 They wanna maximize possessions more than you do.
00:54:35 So McConnell was the X factor in that game
00:54:41 after Halliburton went out and they had no answer for him.
00:54:43 They just let him run around and run laps around them.
00:54:45 So I like that they have some film to go off of now
00:54:48 after that, because that was unacceptable.
00:54:50 I'm excited for the game.
00:54:53 - That's my take, what's yours?
00:54:55 - I think Nick is taking over effective immediately.
00:54:58 - Oh God, that would be something.
00:55:03 - Yeah.
00:55:04 - That would be a boomer's show.
00:55:07 - Yeah, so yeah.
00:55:09 And that's, yeah, that's where we're at.
00:55:11 Jimmy, are you comfortable rapping?
00:55:13 - Whoa, did we hear from Bobby at all?
00:55:16 I'd like to get his take.
00:55:18 - No idea.
00:55:20 - Where the F are you?
00:55:22 - So I will agree with this comment, Soda Pop.
00:55:26 I did not for one second doubt
00:55:32 the 2018 was winning the title.
00:55:34 I didn't at any point in time.
00:55:38 Throughout the course of the whole season,
00:55:40 they struggled in a real crap seven game series
00:55:43 with Atlanta.
00:55:44 It was the most lopsided seven game series
00:55:45 in the history of sports.
00:55:47 They won every game they won, they won by like 35 points.
00:55:50 And then they lost, you know.
00:55:51 - That was tough. - That was a weird series.
00:55:53 And then they just, I just never,
00:55:55 they just never let up.
00:55:56 I never at any point thought they weren't gonna win that.
00:56:00 I actually felt the same way about that team
00:56:01 up until KG got hurt in 2009 too.
00:56:04 I was like, they're gonna steamroll to a title this year.
00:56:07 And so you're right, that's a little different.
00:56:10 But there's more parody now.
00:56:13 There's so many good teams.
00:56:14 There's so much talent in the league.
00:56:17 It's crazy.
00:56:18 It's some really, really, really good--
00:56:20 - And you can't even win the way that they won anymore.
00:56:24 You can't win playing defense
00:56:25 the way that they were able to do it.
00:56:27 Like you can't be physical the way that they were physical.
00:56:30 You can't have a guy like, you know,
00:56:33 I feel like Garnett wouldn't even be in the,
00:56:36 sounds crazy to say, but Garnett wouldn't be able
00:56:38 to do half the stuff that he was able to do probably
00:56:40 for most of his career.
00:56:41 So yeah, it's a different league now.
00:56:45 There's talent all the way up and down.
00:56:48 Maybe that's what Mizzou was talking about a little bit
00:56:50 and like, hey, like none of these games are given.
00:56:54 They all have to be earned.
00:56:55 That's what we can expect, I guess, competitive,
00:57:01 competitive left, nothing from Bobby, nothing from Josue.
00:57:05 - Nothing we can do guys.
00:57:06 They're deep.
00:57:08 Yeah.
00:57:09 - What else is going on?
00:57:13 What else has gone on in the league right now?
00:57:15 Anything?
00:57:16 I think we're interviewing Sean McVay's dentist
00:57:19 and his barber tomorrow to see if they can, you know,
00:57:24 they might be interested in the offensive coordinator.
00:57:26 - Oh my God.
00:57:28 You might as well at this point.
00:57:29 Can we do Patriots for a second?
00:57:33 While I wait for Bobby, can we just do a few minutes?
00:57:34 - Okay.
00:57:35 - Can I just, I'm gonna throw it to you
00:57:38 because I wanna make sure
00:57:39 that I'm not taking crazy pills here.
00:57:41 Patriots obviously had a problem, front office, coaching,
00:57:44 all the way down.
00:57:46 So they got rid of Belichick,
00:57:48 which I think they probably should have done
00:57:51 and they needed to do.
00:57:53 But why did it just end there?
00:57:54 I didn't think it was gonna stop there.
00:57:56 I thought that that would have just been like,
00:57:59 everybody was going after that.
00:58:01 Instead, it's the complete opposite.
00:58:03 They're hiring people who have been with the team,
00:58:06 who left the team, who coming back with the team.
00:58:08 This guy, Kaylee, who was the freaking tight ends coach
00:58:11 for like five years in New England.
00:58:14 And then he just went to be the tight ends coach
00:58:17 in St. Louis.
00:58:18 It's not like he got it.
00:58:19 You know what I mean?
00:58:19 It's like, and now all of a sudden he's qualified
00:58:21 to be the offensive coordinator.
00:58:22 Nobody knew who this guy was
00:58:24 for his entire time in New England.
00:58:27 And by the way, the tight ends absolutely sucked
00:58:29 for the past like five years here.
00:58:32 I mean, has a tight end done shit?
00:58:34 Excuse my language.
00:58:35 So I'm not thrilled about that as an offensive coordinator.
00:58:38 They signed a defensive coordinator with no experience
00:58:40 as a defensive coordinator.
00:58:42 And I'm team Mayo, but he has no experience either.
00:58:45 So very, very interesting.
00:58:48 And they're not hiring a GM.
00:58:49 So I don't know who's running this ghost ship currently.
00:58:52 I really don't know what's gonna happen.
00:58:54 I, you know what it is, John?
00:58:55 I'm like, I didn't know it was gonna be this bad
00:58:59 when it all ended.
00:59:00 I knew it was all gonna end,
00:59:01 but I just didn't know that it was,
00:59:03 we were gonna be faced with a situation
00:59:05 of like total doom and gloom.
00:59:07 And I mean, total doom and gloom.
00:59:09 I thought that there'd be a couple of guys hanging out.
00:59:12 I thought there'd be a guy waiting to coach.
00:59:14 I thought there'd be some good players.
00:59:16 There is nothing.
00:59:19 So that's my Patriots rant.
00:59:22 And maybe I'm overreacting, but I don't think that I am.
00:59:25 I think I'm pretty realistic.
00:59:27 Now, the only saving grace is that they absolutely
00:59:30 nail this third overall pick.
00:59:32 That's their only saving grace.
00:59:34 And I'm not saying I know who it is,
00:59:37 but they just have to nail it.
00:59:38 It's not my job to know who it is.
00:59:41 It's just my job to complain about it
00:59:43 if they don't nail it.
00:59:44 - Yeah, I'm already mad.
00:59:47 Every draft I get pre-mad,
00:59:49 'cause I'm just waiting for it to be angry about the pick.
00:59:52 - Yeah.
00:59:54 - So I don't know.
00:59:55 I can't go into it.
00:59:58 I'm in a good head space right now.
01:00:02 - I just need to say that's weird too,
01:00:06 'cause I don't have anywhere else to,
01:00:09 my friends don't wanna hear me anymore.
01:00:11 I'm completely tuned out by them.
01:00:15 So I need to say it to anybody who will listen.
01:00:18 - Yeah, it's bad.
01:00:21 And look, I said this once and I'll say it one last time.
01:00:25 I do not understand this obsession with continuity.
01:00:35 People who are familiar with the system,
01:00:37 the Patriot Way, this guy coached here, he knows us.
01:00:41 Oh, higher from within.
01:00:42 Look, I don't give a crap if the dudes are aliens
01:00:46 and I don't care who you bring in here.
01:00:49 This idea of the Patriot Way somehow continuing on
01:00:54 post-Bill and Brady is ludicrous.
01:00:58 It's ludicrous.
01:01:00 Just get good people.
01:01:02 I don't care where they're from.
01:01:05 Why do you think recycling people
01:01:08 who have some experience here is the right play?
01:01:12 I don't get it.
01:01:13 There is nothing to continue.
01:01:15 As I've said, nothing.
01:01:17 The ML car, Chris Ford Celtics were not a continuation
01:01:22 of the Casey Jones, Larry Bird.
01:01:24 They're not.
01:01:26 Like it doesn't matter.
01:01:27 - No, they weren't, John,
01:01:28 but we lost a lot of Celtic pride over that stretch,
01:01:32 post Bird.
01:01:33 - But then--
01:01:34 - Things went very fast.
01:01:35 And then it had to slowly come back.
01:01:36 - Celtics pride isn't a thing.
01:01:38 Celtics pride was Red Arbor--
01:01:40 - Oh, contraire, my friend.
01:01:42 It is a thing.
01:01:43 - It was those dominant teams that own the NBA
01:01:46 and then a really great run from those guys.
01:01:50 It was just dominance year after year after year.
01:01:52 The second they're gone, you're just another team.
01:01:55 There's no, it doesn't,
01:01:56 pride and all of that doesn't translate over.
01:01:59 Every team has a pocket of time in their history
01:02:02 they can draw back from and be like,
01:02:04 oh, this was the good old days.
01:02:06 You know, like when we played like this
01:02:08 and when we won title, doesn't matter.
01:02:10 Like the Celtics just had a much, much longer one.
01:02:12 But when you're 40 years removed from it, you know,
01:02:14 like the Patriots five years from now,
01:02:17 the Brady Belt, it's over.
01:02:18 It's been over.
01:02:19 There's nothing resembling those Patriots anymore.
01:02:22 Completely gone.
01:02:23 - You just need good players.
01:02:24 You need good players and the pride comes back.
01:02:25 - You just need good everything.
01:02:26 I don't care where you get them, right?
01:02:29 - Sure.
01:02:29 No, I don't care where you get them either.
01:02:30 You just got to get them and you got to keep them.
01:02:32 And that's how you sort of,
01:02:33 that's how you instill a new Patriot way
01:02:36 with the new crop of players.
01:02:37 It's not going to have anything to do with
01:02:39 the guys who were there.
01:02:40 It doesn't have nothing to do with Teddy Bruschi
01:02:43 and Willie McGinnis and Tom Brady.
01:02:45 And it just, I guess, nothing to do with
01:02:47 the second iteration of them,
01:02:49 Edelman and Gronk and whoever else.
01:02:51 It's going to be a new crop of players,
01:02:53 but you got to get them in the door
01:02:56 and you got to keep them
01:02:57 and you got to build around those guys.
01:02:58 You don't, yeah, it's not carrying over.
01:03:01 It's a new generation.
01:03:03 - What carries it over is the fans and the interest.
01:03:06 So if you keep winning like the Celtics did,
01:03:08 it stays that way because the passion is there.
01:03:11 It means something because it means a lot
01:03:12 to a lot of people.
01:03:13 You dip in and out, you lose people along the way.
01:03:16 And so it matters less.
01:03:18 And so this notion of like it being a thing is great,
01:03:21 you know, but like the Celtics, like I said,
01:03:23 they've won one title in 40 years, you know,
01:03:25 like most people, most NBA fans currently are like, what?
01:03:30 You know what I mean?
01:03:31 It's like, it's great, but Boston is great.
01:03:34 Like we like basketball.
01:03:35 So when basketball's good here, everything is great,
01:03:38 you know, and that's kind of what makes it a big thing.
01:03:40 It's the fans, honestly, more than it is like
01:03:43 the playing for the Celtics.
01:03:45 So the fans here are what make it, you know,
01:03:48 are what make it good.
01:03:49 So anyway, that's it.
01:03:51 We're an hour in and we don't have Bobby and Josue.
01:03:53 I got no choice but to wrap it, Jimmy.
01:03:55 - I got one more question for you.
01:03:56 Thoughts on the Lions choke job last night.
01:04:00 Do you blame Dan Campbell?
01:04:01 Like what's your take?
01:04:04 - I don't blame Dan Campbell.
01:04:06 I would have kicked the field goal for sure,
01:04:07 but I don't blame Dan Campbell.
01:04:09 I don't, the most egregious thing was running a run play
01:04:13 when you had three timeouts and you had to burn one
01:04:16 on the goal line there, forcing an outside kick.
01:04:19 That's the only super egregious thing.
01:04:22 I don't get not kicking the field goal there
01:04:26 because you might still get the ball back.
01:04:28 So just play it, play it even.
01:04:30 Take just, it's now a seven minute game.
01:04:36 You know, go out there, stop them or let them score
01:04:38 and then go score again.
01:04:39 But you want to be within one score.
01:04:41 It's the most important thing, you know,
01:04:43 like that really, really matters.
01:04:44 So I might've, that's, I would have kicked the field goal,
01:04:47 but you know, he can get some-
01:04:49 - Analytics ruining the game?
01:04:51 - No, that's the dumbest thing ever.
01:04:52 And I'm so tired of these boomers
01:04:54 that are out there and say it.
01:04:56 Those guys never surface when that shit works, you know?
01:05:00 They never do.
01:05:01 I've been saying this my whole life.
01:05:05 I'd be going for fourth down everywhere on the field.
01:05:08 I think it's so dumb that you keep giving the ball back
01:05:11 to the team.
01:05:11 Fourth and one everywhere you go for it.
01:05:14 And finally teams started doing it,
01:05:15 like Philly, Tush pushing on their own 20.
01:05:19 Great, keep the ball.
01:05:21 People are freaking out about that too.
01:05:23 - No, I love it.
01:05:24 So, all right, we're going to wrap.
01:05:25 We got another one tomorrow.
01:05:26 So no garden presents tonight.
01:05:29 We apologize, but we'll see you guys later.
01:05:31 All right?
01:05:33 - Stay for the outro.
01:05:34 - We'll stay for the outro.
01:05:35 - Wait, Ahmed's got an outro for us, I think.
01:05:37 - No, he doesn't.
01:05:38 - He said he was going to work on an outro.
01:05:41 - He had a phenomenal game.
01:05:43 - Phenomenal.
01:05:44 - Four for down, I think it's an odd one.
01:05:48 (laughing)
01:05:51 - That did not sound like a chair.
01:05:53 - It was a freaking chair.
01:05:54 It does sound like a chair.
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