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"Akbar S. Babar Ko Panel Hi Nahi Mile Ga...," Barrister Ali Zafar's reaction
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Meeman, I am with you today.
00:17 Adiala Jail has been sentenced in three cases, and the third one is expected to be announced.
00:24 In the first part of the program, we will talk about the legal battle of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:28 In the case of Nikah, the court proceedings are due today, because the verdict may come after a while.
00:34 This is the case that the PTI lawyers claim. We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:38 Finally, we will take a look at how much corruption has occurred in the corruption index in which era.
00:43 But first, let's start with the detailed verdict of Toshakhana Nair-Abdur Reference, Judge Mohd. Bashir.
00:49 This is the written verdict. Let's quickly share what has been said in this.
00:53 Bani PTI and Bushra Bibi have been sentenced to 14 years of hard labor.
00:59 In the verdict, a fine of 1.57 billion rupees has also been ordered.
01:04 Bani PTI and Bushra Bibi have misused the Prime Minister's office and have received a fine of 1.57 billion rupees.
01:14 Bani PTI's wife has received a gift set of a graph as a gift from Saudi Arabia. This was reported in Toshakhana, but was not deposited.
01:23 According to the gift price appraiser, Bani PTI was charged for the price. Both have been charged with damaging the national treasure.
01:33 Judge Bashir has given a detailed verdict in reference to a former Prime Minister.
01:39 We have presented this in front of you. But Judge Bashir has a very interesting personality.
01:44 Every government extends him. Then the elected Prime Minister of the same government presents him in the court.
01:50 And then he sees that the punishments also come in front of him.
01:53 But these punishments are temporary in some places. They are not permanent punishments.
01:58 So let's take a look at the verdicts in front of Judge Bashir or the cases that are presented.
02:04 The top contender to become the current Prime Minister is Nawaz Sharif. His case was also presented in front of Judge Bashir in reference to Evanfield.
02:11 And when the verdict was given, the sentence of 10 years of imprisonment was announced.
02:15 What was the outcome of the case? The Islamabad High Court suspended the sentence and then released Nawaz Sharif.
02:21 So the previous verdicts were later overturned by Judge Bashir.
02:26 In addition to this, there are other high profile cases that are presented in front of Judge Bashir's court.
02:30 In that, there is the case of Asif-ul-Zardari. The fake bank account is referenced. The case was filed in 2015.
02:36 And its status is that there was no further proceeding on it, no punishment was given.
02:39 So its status is that the case is still pending in the NAB court.
02:44 Another case of Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani was also presented in front of Judge Bashir.
02:49 And the case was Toshakhana NAB reference. The case was filed in 2020.
02:53 The status of the case is that it is still pending in the court of appeal.
02:58 Another case of Raza Parvez Ashraf was filed in October 2013.
03:06 The status of the case is that it is still pending in the court of appeal.
03:11 Maybe Khakhan Abbasi also got the honor to be presented in front of Judge Bashir's court.
03:16 The case is of LNG reference. The verdict of the case is that since NAB Tarameem ordinances are done,
03:21 so under that reference, the case was not in the jurisdiction of the court of appeal.
03:25 The case of Bani PTI is of Toshakhana NAB reference.
03:28 We have seen that the verdict of the case is that 14 years of imprisonment is a punishment of hard work.
03:32 Let's see the outcome of the case. Let's see the political and political situation of Pakistan.
03:36 What will happen? When the punishment of a former Prime Minister was announced,
03:39 after some time it was overturned. So let's see whether the logical conclusion of this is what is seen now.
03:44 Or there is another twist in this story or not.
03:47 So in Pakistan, we are seeing that apart from the verdict, the third case is about the edict.
03:53 In that case, the advocates of Tariq-e-Insaf claim that today the verdict may be announced.
03:58 In that case, they are possibly expecting a punishment. Let's see. We will keep updating you on this issue.
04:03 But now, there are many legal challenges in front of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
04:07 The first legal challenge has been posed by Mr. Akbar S. Babar.
04:10 Today, he has held a press conference. Apparently, he wants to take over Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
04:14 He wants to make it a real political party.
04:17 He has made an offer to Tariq-e-Insaf today in his press conference.
04:20 What was the offer? Listen to his speech.
04:22 The founding chairman of PTI should nominate three people.
04:25 We will nominate three people. He should nominate his advocate. We will nominate our advocate.
04:29 They should sit together and make a term of reference.
04:31 Make a framework which is written.
04:33 Tariq-e-Insaf is angry that Mr. Akbar S. Babar is not a member of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
04:41 How can he fight the elections?
04:43 Today, he is standing on his position again on this legal point.
04:47 That not only is he a member of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
04:50 but in the Supreme Court proceedings,
04:53 the challenges that were made by Mr. Akbar S. Babar were not given any solid evidence.
05:00 So, Mr. Akbar S. Babar thinks that he is still a member of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:04 Listen to his speech.
05:05 My membership has been a lie for 14 years.
05:09 I proved to be truthful in the Supreme Court. Those lies were proved.
05:13 When the Supreme Court of Pakistan wrote in its decision that Akbar S. Babar is not only a member,
05:18 but a founding member, then this question is not raised.
05:21 So, the legal, political and all kinds of challenges are being faced by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:27 Senator Barista Ali Zafar is with us.
05:29 He is leading the legal matters.
05:31 He is also a political leader in the Senate.
05:35 We will ask questions from all these aspects.
05:38 Thank you very much, Barista.
05:40 Let's start with Mr. Akbar S. Babar.
05:42 Today, he said that three people will be appointed.
05:45 You will appoint three people and then the election process will take place.
05:48 This matter is getting complicated because he is claiming that he has been accepted as a member in the Supreme Court.
05:55 Do you think that when the time of election will come, you will have to nominate this panel for transparency?
06:05 As far as Mr. Akbar S. Babar is concerned, he is claiming that he is a member.
06:12 But, the Supreme Court's judgment is not right.
06:18 The Supreme Court has said that he is a founding member.
06:22 The Supreme Court has not made any decision on whether he is a member or not.
06:27 He will have to prove his membership in the court and show that he is a member.
06:33 I will suggest that he should be allowed to fight for the election.
06:42 He should be made a member.
06:44 He should see if he has enough votes to make his panel.
06:52 First of all, he does not want to get a panel of so many members.
06:55 But, if he gets a panel, he should run for the election.
06:58 I do not see any harm in it.
07:03 He does not have any support.
07:05 He is saying that he wants to be treated as an equal partner.
07:09 He wants to sit with me as a party.
07:13 He wants to make me a POR and then he will have to make a decision.
07:18 That is fine. He has a value.
07:21 He has a nuisance value.
07:23 He keeps talking about his wife.
07:25 I do not see any harm in it.
07:28 Sir, he has put you in a dent in the case of the bullet mark.
07:34 Are you underestimating him?
07:36 You thought that he has a nuisance value.
07:38 You thought that he has lost a lot of PTI.
07:41 Are you underestimating him?
07:43 Maria, you are saying that PTI has been harmed by the symbol.
07:48 I think PTI has been harmed by the symbol.
07:52 But, you should think about who has been harmed.
07:56 The main harm has been done by the public.
07:58 The voters have been harmed.
08:00 Because, they have been confused for a long time.
08:03 They wanted to vote for a party.
08:05 But, they were in a confusion.
08:07 Because, they started seeing a lot of symbols.
08:11 So, PTI has not been harmed.
08:13 It is the people who have been harmed.
08:15 I think we should see it this way.
08:17 Article 17.2 has been made for the people.
08:23 The symbol has been put for them in the election law.
08:27 So that, it is easy for them to vote.
08:29 When you take a vote for a party,
08:31 you are saying that the party has been harmed.
08:34 Akbar S. Pawar is also saying that the party has been harmed.
08:37 But, I see it from a different angle.
08:39 Sir, there are numbers in the election.
08:41 So, it is very complicated on Azad, Umidwar.
08:43 I want to come to this.
08:44 But, first of all, you have made the election a priority.
08:48 By saying that everyone is busy.
08:50 They cannot participate in the election.
08:52 All the procedural work has to be done.
08:54 So, why did you hold the election?
08:56 I will tell you the reason.
08:58 We thought that we will hold the election.
09:02 Before the general election.
09:05 But, when we held the first meeting.
09:08 The raids started in the first meeting.
09:11 Our central office was seized.
09:15 And, after that, the office in Quetta was attacked.
09:20 Some people who were going were arrested.
09:23 So, our candidates said that we are very busy.
09:27 First, we thought that we will do it on 5th.
09:30 We will take our time in the intraparty election.
09:32 We will participate.
09:34 But, now, we fear that we will make a venue.
09:37 There, the venue will be sealed.
09:39 And, we will be arrested.
09:41 Our crucial 3-4 days.
09:43 The election will be over.
09:46 So, it is better to do the inauguration.
09:48 And, take it after the election.
09:50 So, this was their argument.
09:52 They appealed to us.
09:54 It was a reasonable thing.
09:56 So, we thought that instead of 5th, we will do it on 8th, 9th, 10th.
09:59 There is no major issue in that.
10:03 We have to do the intraparty elections among ourselves.
10:06 So, this was the reason.
10:09 There was no confusion.
10:11 The reason was that you are seeing how it is happening.
10:14 So, my question is that this was happening.
10:17 Despite that, you have held the elections.
10:19 You know all this.
10:21 No, but, we thought that we had a misunderstanding.
10:24 And, it was a mistake.
10:26 We thought that in the intraparty elections,
10:28 no one should have any issue.
10:30 There will be no interference.
10:32 Because, they are putting restrictions on the general election campaign.
10:35 But, they should not have any issue in the intraparty elections.
10:38 But, there was no such issue.
10:40 Mr. Ali Zafar, tell us that,
10:42 the talks about the deal that you are seeing,
10:44 Mr. Murad Saeed tweeted that
10:46 3 options have been given.
10:48 Then, Ms. Bushra herself said,
10:50 while talking to the journalists,
10:52 what are the consequences of this?
10:55 What is happening?
10:57 When they are going to Benigala,
10:59 there is a discussion.
11:01 Is there any official version of PTI regarding this?
11:03 Look, as far as I know,
11:05 because, they are going to jail.
11:07 I don't call it a trial.
11:09 It is a witch hunt.
11:11 They are going.
11:13 I went to witness it.
11:15 And, to meet the Khadsa.
11:17 And, I stayed there for 2 days.
11:19 And, I took some money from him.
11:21 And, I stayed with him till 10 am.
11:23 In both the cases.
11:25 So, they,
11:27 they have made a decision.
11:29 They have made a decision.
11:31 So, they
11:33 did not mention this at all.
11:35 And, in fact, they said,
11:37 you go and talk about this.
11:39 There is no such thing.
11:41 There is no such thing.
11:43 There is no deal.
11:45 There have been cases against us.
11:47 There have been charges against us.
11:49 Sir, but,
11:51 has the deal been offered or not?
11:53 Because, Ms. Bushra had a conversation
11:55 where she said, you go and talk to Mr. Khan.
11:57 Give confirmation about this.
11:59 No,
12:01 I have no such information.
12:03 And, in fact,
12:05 because Mr. Khan has denied this,
12:07 so,
12:09 I do not think this is right.
12:11 So, sir, this is a fake
12:13 and the other difference,
12:15 why is this?
12:17 Did you give any written request?
12:19 The lawyers of the Pakt Harikin,
12:21 that this should be declared a sub-jail.
12:23 What is the reason behind this?
12:25 What is the reason behind this?
12:27 Sir, I have my own theory.
12:29 I share it with you.
12:31 Originally,
12:33 this was the plan.
12:35 Actually,
12:37 the punishment of Ms. Bushra's case
12:39 was only for one reason,
12:41 that Mr. Imran Khan should be humiliated.
12:43 Obviously,
12:45 he did not care about his cases,
12:47 but, he had a doubt
12:49 that if his wife,
12:51 any wife, any family member,
12:53 if you involve
12:55 them in a criminal case,
12:57 then obviously,
12:59 there is a problem.
13:01 So, maybe, this was punished
13:03 to humiliate and disturb.
13:05 But, when it did not affect,
13:07 and Ms. Bushra herself
13:09 reached the jail,
13:11 then the drama that was planned
13:13 to arrest her from the house,
13:15 and to catch her,
13:17 and then to run her in the public,
13:19 and to take her to the jail,
13:21 this action
13:23 could not be done.
13:25 When it could not be done,
13:27 then the administration thought
13:29 that it is not good to arrest her
13:31 and keep her in the jail.
13:33 It is a loss.
13:35 Impression will be worse for people.
13:37 So, for now, you should not arrest her.
13:39 So, was there no written request
13:41 for arresting her?
13:43 No written request.
13:45 In fact, she was waiting
13:47 since 7 am for the judgment.
13:49 And,
13:51 she reached the jail at 7 am.
13:53 When the judgment was announced.
13:55 There is one more problem.
13:57 We will call it a challenge.
13:59 Salman Akhtar Raja's case
14:01 was sent to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
14:03 They said that,
14:05 since this issue is going on in the Supreme Court,
14:07 there will be a proceeding.
14:09 There will be a decision.
14:11 Do you think
14:13 that if this decision
14:15 was not made
14:17 after the election results,
14:19 it would be difficult for you?
14:21 Today, the Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan
14:23 has stated that,
14:25 he has quoted him in Express.
14:27 Azad Arqan can make his PM.
14:29 Now, the statement
14:31 from the Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan
14:33 means that,
14:35 he is giving a legal opinion.
14:37 So, it is related to this case.
14:39 Can Azad Arqan
14:41 really make his PM?
14:43 My point of view
14:45 is different.
14:47 I think,
14:49 this case should not have been filed.
14:51 In my opinion,
14:53 the candidates
14:55 are very clear.
14:57 There are three types of candidates.
14:59 One is purely independent.
15:01 They have no relation
15:03 with any party.
15:05 The second category is purely party candidates
15:07 who fight for the symbol of the party.
15:09 The third category is those candidates
15:11 who have given an affidavit
15:13 that they are related to a party.
15:15 But, they fight for the symbol of the party.
15:17 They fight for the symbol of the party
15:19 but they are from the party.
15:21 They cannot be separated from the party.
15:23 The parliamentarians
15:25 will be from the party.
15:27 The parliamentary party
15:29 will be formed by
15:31 a parliamentary party
15:33 of every political party.
15:35 The parliamentary party
15:37 will be formed by parliamentarians.
15:39 The leadership of the party
15:41 and the leadership of the party
15:43 outside the party
15:45 are the candidates.
15:47 This is the principle.
15:49 I remember, I filed a case
15:51 in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
15:53 The question was asked there
15:55 and the Supreme Court
15:57 answered it.
15:59 The political party
16:01 is registered.
16:03 The parliamentarians
16:05 are from the parliament.
16:07 They are candidates
16:09 of the parliamentary party
16:11 outside the parliamentary party.
16:13 This is the procedure
16:15 of the parliamentary democracy.
16:17 People are talking here and there
16:19 but the parliamentary democracy
16:21 is not being followed.
16:23 The political strategy of PTI
16:25 was also about
16:27 the party of Sherani
16:29 or any other party
16:31 after the elections
16:33 and then the people
16:35 can form their own party.
16:37 Why was this suggestion
16:39 not made in the Parliamentary Party?
16:41 Is the parliamentary party intact?
16:43 You make two or three
16:45 or four strategies
16:47 and you should make them.
16:49 You should not stop at one strategy.
16:51 You mentioned,
16:53 Maria, very intelligently,
16:55 that the Election Commission of Pakistan
16:57 has given its statement
16:59 and you said that it could have
17:01 a legal status.
17:03 We have to take care of these things
17:05 that what the Election Commission
17:07 of Pakistan is thinking.
17:09 Maybe it is against the law
17:11 but do you want to go
17:13 to the legal battle
17:15 or do you want to find a legal path?
17:17 These are the strategies.
17:19 I think some people
17:21 are talking about this
17:23 and the debate is going on
17:25 from a very far.
17:27 It is going on in every political party
17:29 because every political party
17:31 is thinking about how
17:33 to claim the so-called independent
17:35 parties.
17:37 They are expecting you to
17:39 fall into their trap.
17:41 They are all depending on them.
17:43 It is a strange politics.
17:45 It is unfortunate that
17:47 politicians are thinking like this.
17:49 This is the reason why
17:51 politicians are being mocked
17:53 in this country.
17:55 I suggest that you play your own game.
17:57 You should elect your own candidates
17:59 in your own votes.
18:01 If people elect you,
18:03 you should form a government.
18:05 Only then will you be
18:07 in the PTI opposition.
18:09 One last question.
18:11 There have been two punishments
18:13 in the current situation.
18:15 The third one will be in the near future.
18:17 Lawyers are expecting that
18:19 the punishment will be in the near future.
18:21 What are the ground realities
18:23 of the situation?
18:25 How many seats do you feel
18:27 comfortable in?
18:29 Can you give any count on this?
18:31 It is a very fluid situation.
18:33 You must remember the incident
18:35 of 1692.
18:37 400-500 years ago,
18:39 there were
18:41 saline witch trials.
18:43 They used to catch women
18:45 and tell them
18:47 that they are innocent.
18:49 They used to punish them
18:51 without trial.
18:53 What is happening now
18:55 is a very
18:57 strange situation.
18:59 What is happening
19:01 is the same saline witch trials.
19:03 I would say that
19:05 the same saline witch trials
19:07 are taking place.
19:09 Both the cases have been punished.
19:11 But Ali Zafar,
19:13 I am asking you
19:15 about the political impact
19:17 of the incident.
19:19 I am coming to that.
19:21 In my opinion,
19:23 the punishments
19:25 are such a mistrial
19:27 and unfair trial.
19:29 The trial was not done
19:31 to show people
19:33 that this is injustice.
19:35 The purpose of these trials
19:37 was to
19:39 disturb people
19:41 and create confusion.
19:43 But it has been the opposite.
19:45 People are seeing
19:47 that injustice is being done.
19:49 The neutral people
19:51 are also supporting.
19:53 So you feel that the punishments
19:55 have provoked the people.
19:57 Thank you very much.
19:59 We have with us Mr. Zafar.
20:01 We will go on break.
20:03 We expect to come back
20:05 after some time.
20:07 We will take you back
20:09 to the past with the
20:11 historical events.
20:13 There was another interesting
20:15 incident.
20:17 We will come back after the break.
20:23 Welcome back.
20:25 We are seeing that the case of
20:27 the Tehreek-e-Insaf
20:29 and his wife,
20:31 Bhushta Bibi,
20:33 is under investigation.
20:35 The lawyers of Tehreek-e-Insaf
20:37 think that the decision
20:39 will be made soon.
20:41 We are waiting for the decision.
20:43 Let's see what are the
20:45 implications of it.
20:47 The more Pakistan's politics
20:49 moves forward,
20:51 the more interesting history
20:53 will be made.
20:55 If we talk about the
20:57 intellectuals,
20:59 if we put them
21:01 on the research of
21:03 the past cases,
21:05 how interesting
21:07 the cases are,
21:09 what is their nature,
21:11 it will be a very interesting book.
21:13 We did a little research.
21:15 We did not go far.
21:17 There was a famous case
21:19 in 1994.
21:21 In 1994,
21:23 her husband filed a case
21:25 for Nikah in Iddat.
21:27 Her husband accused her
21:29 that the divorce was not
21:31 legal.
21:33 That is why she is living
21:35 in an illegal relationship.
21:37 She was granted bail in 1994.
21:39 In December 1994,
21:41 her husband took the case back.
21:43 We have taken the source of this case.
21:45 It is from the case of Don.
21:47 It was published in the newspaper
21:49 of December 1994.
21:51 It was a politically
21:53 motivated news.
21:55 When Amnesty International
21:57 collected the political cases
21:59 of Pakistan,
22:01 we found this case
22:03 from that.
22:05 It was a very
22:07 interesting detail.
22:09 We thought to share it
22:11 because Pakistan's politics
22:13 moves forward and backward.
22:15 We will talk about the case.
22:17 We have Hussain Ahmed Chaudhary
22:19 who is a court reporter.
22:21 He is with us.
22:23 He is also a court reporter.
22:25 He is also a court reporter.
22:27 He is also a court reporter.
22:29 He is also a court reporter.
22:31 He has full information
22:33 about the cases.
22:35 Hussain, let us start with you.
22:37 We think that the court will
22:39 decide on the case.
22:41 Do you think that the court
22:43 will decide on the case?
22:45 Do you think that the court
22:47 will decide on the case?
22:49 Thank you.
22:51 The case of Nikah
22:53 is in the final stage.
22:55 The case is going on since
22:57 morning.
22:59 The case started at 9.15 am.
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