Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast on the Raiders and the Draft, System QB vs Shortstop QBs, and Much More
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00:00 Hi everybody this is Hondo Carpenter from Sports Illustrated's Fan Nation Las Vegas
00:07 Raiders Insider Podcast along with Dexter wearing his Raider gear and of course Dexter's
00:14 favorite Uncle John in the whole world John Schaap joins us.
00:18 Now before we get started today John I had Dexter joining us because we are giving away
00:25 a pair of Air Force Ones.
00:44 So we told him there were three criteria you had to email us your name, address, and shoe
00:50 size in one sentence as to why you thought you deserved the shoe.
00:55 Now we had a ton of people that sent us Facebook messages, Instagram messages, Twitter messages
01:00 but we said to be email.
01:04 Then we had some that said oh by the way here's my address or here's my shoe.
01:07 No we said it had to be one email per email address.
01:11 So we had one thousand nine hundred and forty two emails come in for the shoes that were
01:19 eligible to win.
01:21 So Shannon why don't you get in here with me say hi to everybody by the way she's rocking
01:25 another Raider shirt.
01:26 Hang on.
01:27 Hello everybody.
01:28 Show your Raider shirt.
01:29 There you go.
01:30 Now you disappeared.
01:31 Okay so Shannon between those numbers what number would you pick?
01:38 I am choosing number eight because we have eight kids together.
01:41 No you did that in the exclusive so pick another one.
01:43 Oh I have to do another one?
01:44 All right number one twenty nine.
01:48 Oh I know why Dexter's birthday.
01:52 All right so number one.
01:53 All right go print it real quick.
01:54 So she's going to print email number one twenty nine and then I'll read it on air and while
02:00 he's looking at mama you can go with mama.
02:02 All right here we go.
02:04 All right here grab Dexter.
02:06 Here I'm up.
02:07 Let me grab this off John grabbing this off the printer.
02:10 This is not a high class operation.
02:12 Hey it takes what it takes.
02:15 The printer is good.
02:17 Here's the winner is dear Mr. Hondo.
02:21 I want to say I don't deserve nothing but I would love those shoes as a Raider fan and
02:27 an orderly in the medicine world.
02:29 I could use those shoes and being a single dad I don't much spend money on me but my
02:36 kids.
02:38 Love the pod and listen every day cleaning the rooms.
02:41 Win or not I love what you do.
02:44 Arnold in Stockton California.
02:47 So Arnold we'll have your shoes going out.
02:51 Now he's a size eleven.
02:54 All right we're going to have your shoots going out probably Monday or Tuesday Arnold
02:58 but to all of you that email we're going to be doing some more giveaways.
03:01 I kind of like this John I think this is a lot of fun.
03:03 What do you think.
03:06 Everybody likes giveaways.
03:07 It's kind of fun and it passes the time in between weeks when the Raiders are playing.
03:13 So yeah this is this is the right time for this kind of stuff.
03:16 All right.
03:17 John.
03:18 No it's no bad time to give stuff away.
03:21 And what made me think about it is somebody gave me a pair.
03:25 And everyone was like that is so cool.
03:28 I thought you give a pair away.
03:30 That's one pair away.
03:32 So here we go.
03:33 All right.
03:34 You just texted me.
03:35 I did.
03:36 I just got a text from.
03:38 Oh OK.
03:39 That's a delay.
03:40 That's a delay of game on the text message system.
03:43 All right.
03:44 John we got so much to talk about.
03:48 A lot going on with the Raiders.
03:52 My first mock draft is out.
03:55 But I want to get into some very specific Raider talk because I think it's very important.
04:03 There is a danger.
04:05 Now wait a minute.
04:06 I want to go back because that's not I want to start with the positive.
04:10 If you can find a generational quarterback Peyton Manning a Andrew Luck a Patrick Holmes
04:22 if you can find that guy in the NFL draft you give up whatever you got to get because
04:28 it's the most important position in the world of football.
04:34 In 2011 the NFL changed the pay structure which you and I both supported and to our
04:40 credit we were talking about it back then they needed to change it.
04:48 To now you can pick a quarterback but it costs so much to move up to get an elite guy that
04:57 you you don't get a second chance if you're wrong.
05:02 So if you're convinced I remember you and I talking right after the Bears so like the
05:06 Mitchell Trubisky and I said at the time this was a terrible pick but if you're convinced
05:14 he's the next then you go do this and I said only time's going to prove it.
05:20 I think he's a bust.
05:22 I don't think he's going to be the franchise guy.
05:25 We proved to be right.
05:27 If Tom Telesco and Antonio Pierce through the process think they find that guy then
05:32 you do mortgage your future to buy your present.
05:37 But if he's not you've mortgaged your future bought your present your present was a failure
05:41 and you're gone.
05:43 Now a couple days ago on the podcast I referenced one of your favorite lines by Bill Parcells
05:49 about selecting a quarterback and I did not quote it because I said I'll wait till Friday
05:54 and let Johnny tell him so tell everyone what is that thing that you love that Bill Parcells
05:59 says.
06:01 Well I mean there's there's a bunch and for those unfamiliar there used to be a set of
06:05 criteria that Parcells would have but included in that criteria are a couple things maybe
06:11 don't apply anymore such as being I think a three year starter but size of the quarterback
06:17 is one of the more important things there's like a minimum size requirement that Parcells
06:21 has I think that's become more important in the NFL as everything has gotten bigger faster
06:29 and stronger and I actually think it's more important now that we're seeing a default
06:34 setting for the quarterback be a guy that is essentially dual threat doesn't mean he
06:38 has to run like Fields or like Josh Allen but you have to be able to run there's no
06:42 more just standing there Peyton or Eli Manning style quarterback.
06:46 So I hope that's it dealing with the size but there is that little list of criteria
06:51 that Parcells had.
06:53 And the number of passes he was huge on that.
06:57 Yes like yeah go ahead the number of passes they actually threw and I can't remember if
07:04 there's a completion per completion percentage element but they had to have actually done
07:08 enough on the field at the major college level to really be evaluated.
07:13 Right now you and I remember this because you were you and I were doing this at the
07:18 time but when Brian Hoyer was coming out at Michigan State I got a call from somebody
07:25 in the Patriots organization that said Bill really liked Brian thought he was a 12 year
07:33 player in the NFL he ended up playing longer than that and that he had 70 drop passes at
07:41 Michigan State that should have been caught.
07:44 And you remember this I they said most NFL teams are not going to watch the film that
07:52 closely they're going to look at completion percentages and say all right he's not for
07:56 us we watch it all we love him we think he's going to go as a UDFA which is undrafted free
08:03 agent but we're working we want him.
08:08 And I remember passing that word on to Brian and his dad Axel saying hey I'd really keep
08:13 your eyes out for the Patriots Bill Belichick loves you I told him the 70 passes that were
08:20 dropped and look what happened he ended up going there having a long career in the NFL
08:26 and you know and still under contract by the way.
08:30 So I think those are important things because I'm not against moving up but you have to
08:39 make sure as a talent evaluator you can't miss because if you miss you're in a world
08:51 of hurt because you better make sure that is your guy because if it's not you won't
08:57 get a second chance will you.
09:00 Well you just said the magic word hurt and that's like the one exception to this if you
09:06 somehow draft Jalen Hurts also which just bailed the Eagles out of years the Eagles
09:13 would still be a mess from going with Carson Wentz and sticking with him.
09:18 So unless you find a way to bail yourself out yeah you're toast and what I what we've
09:24 seen too often are guys that are under prepared to play quarterback at the NFL level who have
09:30 been drafted not to pick on Trubisky but we see this happen if you're the Raiders and
09:37 you're scanning the field of who you can draft I again I like to keep the thought in mind
09:43 you're going to draft a quarterback default every single draft you should expect your
09:49 NFL team to draft a quarterback because in almost all of them from here forward they
09:53 are incentivized to do so because of the way that salary cap works because of the rookie
09:57 scale so you have that in mind.
10:00 Now of the quarterbacks available how many of those could absolutely be completely game
10:05 changing I'm not sure that there's more than a couple I'm actually not sure that Caleb
10:11 Williams is by far and wide clearly the number one option over Drake May I don't know the
10:18 professionals with the Raiders and all the other organizations and they really must be
10:23 professional that's the point of what Hondo is talking about here you got to turn over
10:26 all the rocks you got to watch all the film you got to get inside talk to people that
10:32 were with these players practicing offseason in season.
10:37 The whole picture you've got to get because the teams that don't do that they're the ones
10:42 that end up most likely with a flop a row and it doesn't work well now let's look at
10:47 the guys that are in this Super Bowl do you think that the forty niners did a good bit
10:51 of research on Brock Purdy I think they did part of the reason is look who's coaching
10:56 and running that franchise and another great example of course is Brian Hoyer folks when
11:02 he was coming out there was this guy's got one of the best arms in the draft and then
11:07 someone else was saying this guy doesn't have enough arm strength it was all over the board
11:11 and the reason that it was all over the board was not everybody at least in media had the
11:17 information that the Patriots and maybe a couple other teams had that this is a guy
11:21 that may be able to play and be a productive player at the NFL for a very long time he's
11:26 a great example of a humongous overachiever as far as you look at who came in with his
11:32 draft class and who played as long as they haven't who still playing it's just the bottom
11:36 line and also is a great comparison because this is literally a guy that was not drafted
11:42 hundreds of players taken ahead of him they're all long gone what are some of the things
11:47 that New England saw when they turned over the rocks when they saw drop balls when they
11:53 saw performance before the snap when they saw ability to communicate and lead that made
11:59 them realize hey this is a guy that can play apply that to what's coming up in the Super
12:04 Bowl with Brock Purdy and again you have a kind of blueprint for how do we figure out
12:12 what guys can be that guy I'm sure that's what the Raiders have begun doing and they
12:16 must do it effectively you do not want any surprises there's a lot of guys we can look
12:22 back on in history and pick on and I don't know that it's their fault whether it's a
12:27 guy that had the yips whether it's a guy that couldn't command a locker room whether it's
12:31 a guy that that imploded in many ways not necessarily all the players fault the responsibility
12:38 is on the organizations to do it Parcells is a great blueprint for doing it and a man
12:43 if I was Antonio Pierce or if I was somebody with the Raiders I would probably give a call
12:48 and see if he would tell us what he thought about just hey what have you seen just based
12:51 on what you've seen the college quarterbacks because there's a good chance that in a five
12:54 ten minute conversation you're going to get a piece of information that nobody else is
13:00 going to mention or say the entire time you're researching the draft class for the upcoming
13:06 draft.
13:07 You're John you'll remember this a lot of our listeners won't because I wasn't covering
13:12 the Raiders at the time but when San Francisco took Trey Lance.
13:19 Like you know what I was covering the Raiders at the time but when San Francisco took Trey
13:25 Lance we talked about I was told it was people above John Lynch that wanted him.
13:35 That John Lynch thought it was a mistake to go with Trey Lance.
13:43 But that's so I'm using that because that's why they put picked Purdy but I wanted people
13:51 to understand that's the only way you survive a big pick like that and fail is if it's made
13:56 by people above you like an owner that says this is who I want.
14:00 Now yesterday was my first mock draft for 2024 and I had the Raiders taking J.J. McCarthy
14:07 the Michigan quarterback in the second round.
14:11 I talked with a scout of a team that does not need a quarterback a very successful team
14:20 and they said that they think McCarthy is undervalued because he comes from a running
14:24 system at Michigan but they have him as one of two quarterbacks with a first round grade
14:31 only two and they have him at number two.
14:36 They only one other quarterback they have ahead of him and he I so I said to him do
14:40 you think it's fair for me in my first mock to have J.J. going here and he goes based
14:47 on today's value yes he goes but I'm telling you we get to April and people have time to
14:54 really watch him in pro days and workouts he goes he's going in the first round but
15:01 he goes at today's value yes that's why it amazes me some teams and I'm gonna go back
15:11 and re-say it this way had a general manager tell me one time and I've told you this story
15:16 privately so you know who I'm talking about tell me there's a reason certain teams are
15:20 always picking in the top half of the draft.
15:26 They have bad scouting systems of which chant Kelly came in and revamped the Raiders thank
15:31 God for the Raiders but he goes they have a bad scouting system or they're poorly coached
15:38 or poorly run this is going to be a fascinating draft of me because I think there's a lot
15:44 of players in this draft that are going to go early that have huge bust potential.
15:53 I want to go back every team I'm talking to who are perennial good drafters are telling
16:01 me they think Williams is way overrated I find that funny because a lot of teams that
16:06 really love them but the Raiders love Jarmarcus Russell too but look how that turned out.
16:14 John talk to me about following those teams who are perennially good drafters.
16:23 New England had a really good run with drafting on a regular basis that was good the Steelers
16:28 have had pretty good drafts overall the Ravens how many like late round picks for the Ravens
16:37 show up on a defensive line and look like they're almost an all pro.
16:41 I mean whether they know we need to get Lyman from Utah it really is a consistent thing.
16:50 On the other end we saw the Detroit Lions struggle for many many years they went on
16:55 a wide receiver run there for a while they maybe had people from above calling the shots
17:01 etc so we've seen a different mix I mean you can go way back and point at success.
17:11 I don't remember the then Redskins having as much draft success as much free agent success
17:17 with Bobby Bethard but the Giants obviously got guys on a consistent basis that could
17:22 play and right now you look at teams like the Eagles that have drafted well when the
17:28 right people have been making those calls ten years ago or so you talked about the Packers
17:33 being so loaded that people wanted guys off their practice squad.
17:38 And we've seen some wild card nearly mistakes you know we talked on this show about how
17:45 bad and how damaging the Trelance pick could be and now we have the 49ers in the Super
17:51 Bowl well what happens if they lose the Super Bowl because there's a guy out there playing
17:57 that maybe shouldn't be there if they had taken somebody else with that draft pick is
18:02 that going to stand out as like the thorn that really clipped him up.
18:07 The interesting thing to me also about the Lance thing is they got Purdy also reminds
18:12 me of something about eight years before when the then Redskins took Robert Griffin and
18:18 then took Kirk Cousins later on down the road.
18:22 So the idea of taking two quarterbacks is not completely foreign if there is somebody
18:29 out there and maybe it's not a horrible idea maybe it's an idea that's already being kicked
18:33 around with a really high draft pick that says we're going to take this guy but we're
18:38 also going to back it up either with an undrafted free agent or with a later round quarterback
18:44 I don't think you should be opposed to that idea and if your quarterback taken in the
18:50 top five picks of the draft or however high if he has a problem with that you may have
18:56 taken the wrong guy to begin with that high because the level of competition at the NFL
19:02 level it should be the highest and greatest and best this is not the place of complacency
19:07 this is not the place where you are just gifted greatness how many guys have we seen roll
19:12 in thinking that was going to be the way it was and splat they went as far as their career
19:17 goes so when you look at guys that have drafted effectively and we've got a couple in that
19:24 Super Bowl coming obviously Andy Reid's.
19:28 Extraction of talent and ability to pick guys that can play effectively at the NFL is off
19:33 the charts.
19:36 What people in the sport that separates really the really good drafters from the rest I think
19:42 is that they know what they're looking for they know what they need to evaluate to figure
19:49 it out and they go get it whenever they want whenever they can the Jimmy Johnson draft
19:56 board I would love to see just one year draft board for Jimmy Johnson just give me one year
20:01 like show me a picture of the board and when we see where guys are actually picked and
20:05 if somebody analyzed like how successful they were across the sport I imagine that Jimmy's
20:10 draft board and mock draft would be a little bit better than the average one that out there
20:16 from somebody across the thirty plus franchises or how many there were at the time that he
20:22 made those draft boards.
20:25 Now for people that don't know.
20:29 Our draft mock draft every year is very accurate.
20:33 We were the only team that had Tim the only mock draft in fact I got on Mike and Mike
20:37 at the time because we were the only mock draft that had Tim Tebow going in the first
20:41 round and hadn't go into the right team by the way.
20:47 But we asked several NFL people for their now we don't let them or we don't ask them
20:55 to do anything with their team but we ask a bunch of people tell us what you're hearing
21:01 what you think etc. and how the drafts going to fall.
21:03 Let's go there.
21:10 You don't even know the amount of frustration in Raider Nation to watch the Super Bowl in
21:16 their house with their two arch rivals San Francisco from the Bay Kansas City from the
21:24 AFC West.
21:25 John Raider Nation is hurting.
21:29 Offer them some ball for the wound.
21:34 It's got a staying a little bit.
21:37 Now somebody could it be worse I don't know if it could be any worse would it be worse
21:41 if it was the Broncos wouldn't probably not.
21:45 Could it be worse than literally across the bay.
21:48 Now the Rams wouldn't now not now.
21:51 Now I think the bomb is it's the inspiration.
21:55 We just turned and closed the chapter for the Raiders you closed the chapter a new chapter
22:01 is here.
22:03 There's nothing more inspiring than seeing the Super Bowl in your town with your two
22:08 biggest arch rivals.
22:09 There should be no lack of motivation or inspiration or drive anywhere in the Raiders building.
22:17 If there is that's somebody that's probably going to be replaced.
22:21 The guys leading the franchise now are not blind.
22:25 They've got their eyes wide open.
22:26 They're going to be involved to some extent with what's going on.
22:31 They're probably getting maybe questions about the building or questions about a couple different
22:36 things from people that are that are heading there to play and coach and work.
22:41 This is can be used as fuel to drive.
22:44 This can be used as fuel to drive.
22:45 It can also be used as fuel to point to Antonio Pearson company.
22:49 They've got to lead their team.
22:51 We don't know exactly the makeup of the 2014 but we're going to know pretty soon and the
22:56 process of building it is kind of already begun.
22:59 So this gives them something to point to and something to lead something to push something
23:06 to make sure that everybody is not trying to do it all in one day because you can't
23:11 but everybody involved in the Raiders they know what the goal is they're working towards
23:15 it's literally right down the street and if there's somebody that maybe doesn't quite
23:19 get it or think this is just great to be a professional football player and I'm just
23:23 going to kind of cruise I have a feeling that those days are done for the Raiders.
23:28 We've seen some bad things unfortunately happen around the Raiders since they've been in Las
23:32 Vegas.
23:33 It's time to put all that behind and go forward and get back to doing what needs to be done
23:38 to become a model franchise of the league.
23:41 So you go up the boulevard you look across you see the Super Bowl if I'm Antonio Pierce
23:47 I imagine he's he's communicating some things to his players to let them know you see that
23:53 that's the darn goal.
23:55 I have been there I know how to get there we are going to get there but you need to
24:00 keep in mind that what's going over there across the street in our town.
24:05 This is not just a party this is a professional peak.
24:10 Let's do what we have to do to get there.
24:12 It's a different attitude than we've seen in the past and I think it's going to continue
24:17 the momentum that is behind this franchise and behind the team.
24:22 The Raiders momentum is right now is begun with their team.
24:26 You don't see players make such bold calls about we want this guy to be the coach.
24:31 You don't see them react to a coaching change the way they did.
24:34 So this momentum is starting from inside and it's going to spread out and this Super Bowl
24:38 experience around them is going to be something he can point at to keep that fire burning
24:43 during the offseason.
24:44 All right let's talk about the Pro Bowl because to me it's just a waste of time.
24:50 It's a flag football game.
24:53 Now I understand the players they don't want the physicality.
24:59 It's not worth getting injured in a Pro Bowl.
25:01 I get it.
25:02 I get it and agree with it.
25:05 A flag football game to me is just stupid.
25:10 So if you want to get together and do a skills competition great but to me I just think make
25:15 it an honor call it the all men team honor John Madden just give an honor away and cut
25:23 the shenanigans.
25:25 That way there isn't an alternate or this or that.
25:29 Here are our Pro Bowl players from each conference.
25:33 Be done with it.
25:34 Agree or disagree.
25:37 Still agree.
25:38 We've talked about this for more than a decade just to bring the folks up to speed the right
25:41 thing to do with the Pro Bowl is to name the team have a three hour TV show feature them
25:46 all talk to them all praise them all.
25:50 Plenty of people will watch it and wrap it up.
25:52 There's no reason to play or do anything.
25:55 I suppose this is it.
25:56 We're at least halfway to that but naming the team is the most important and it can
26:02 be a successful TV show.
26:04 We don't need people running around backwards.
26:07 There are plenty of us that remember the very unfortunate think Robert Edwards was his name
26:13 running back out of Georgia playing in the Beach Bowl game that was during Super Bowl
26:18 week and pretty much a career altering injury.
26:20 Nobody wants to see anything like that again.
26:23 There's no reason to have guys running around doing anything.
26:26 Name the team build a TV show move on to the next.
26:32 All right.
26:33 Super Bowl.
26:34 We've got a superstar and Patrick Mahomes.
26:38 A Nistar irrelevant and Brock Purdy.
26:41 Would it get any more different other than maybe him being a UDFA for this draft.
26:49 No not really.
26:51 And you know the amazing thing about Pat Mahomes is you know when he comes out and starts doing
26:56 his thing like it's almost like a guy's pitching.
27:01 It's almost like he's a pitcher but then I said I think he's like this is like a short
27:04 stop he's like a short stop.
27:06 Fast forward to the Netflix quarterback series and everybody gets excited.
27:12 Those of us who thought he's a shortstop he says I'm like a shortstop which is terrific.
27:17 It's exactly what he is.
27:19 We've been saying it for years.
27:20 Yeah.
27:21 And so that is a unique talent.
27:25 Obviously unique talent.
27:26 Now we're going to see people try to copy it and do other stuff and we saw a little
27:29 flashes of it before in a Matt Stafford different arm angles that type of stuff.
27:33 But this is this is different.
27:36 There were a couple of the balls touchdown in the first half that he threw in the championship
27:39 game.
27:40 It was just it was a it was a perfect bullet because it was thrown only in a spot his guy
27:44 could catch it and no one else could touch it and it was the proper pace it's like poof
27:49 it's like video game.
27:50 So you hit him on the one hand and then on the other hand you have Brock Purdy who looks
27:54 like a system quarterback.
27:56 And what is that really true.
27:59 Or are both of them system quarterbacks.
28:03 What you have in my homes and read is a perfect combination of really genius on both ends.
28:09 So would my homes be really good without read.
28:13 Yes.
28:14 Would read be really good without without my homes.
28:17 Without any question.
28:18 We have seen that before and I don't know that we'll see it again but we've seen it.
28:24 So you have a really perfect marriage.
28:26 On the other end you've got a quarterback and a head coach locked in there for most
28:33 for by and large.
28:35 There's so many good things that Brock Purdy does to earn the trust of Kyle Shanahan the
28:41 respect of the guys on the team and actually earn the ball and have success with it that
28:45 you can't deny it.
28:47 So if you hear this narrative of system quarterback versus gunslinger I don't think either of
28:53 them are necessarily true.
28:55 They're most likely and more likely both actually system quarterbacks than anything else.
29:00 But let's see how many guys talking on TV and on the Internet notice or realize that
29:06 versus people that are actually inside of the sport.
29:09 They correct me if I'm wrong.
29:11 They already know that.
29:13 John I was talking to an NFL executive yesterday about we're going to go on a fish back to
29:22 the draft.
29:24 And we were just chatting about our trip or whatever.
29:26 And I mentioned to him we were talking about Andy Reid.
29:30 And I said to him I think Andy's the best coach in the NFL right now.
29:38 And he corrected me and he goes I think he's the best coach ever.
29:42 I said what?
29:43 I go how can you say that over Belichick?
29:47 Listen to what he told me because he has immense respect.
29:51 I think you know who I'm talking about but he has immense respect for Belichick.
29:56 He says what has Belichick done without Brady?
30:01 Go look at Cleveland.
30:03 Go look at everywhere he's been without Brady where he's been a head guy.
30:08 He's been mediocre at best.
30:11 He said Andy Reid has done it with multiple quarterbacks and been among the best.
30:18 And he goes you take Brady away from Belichick nobody wanted him this year.
30:21 Couldn't get a job.
30:24 He says you take Andy Reid and put him on the market right now.
30:29 He said he could have had any job he wanted in the NFL.
30:34 I'm a guy who always says show me the trophies.
30:40 But I'm not sure I agree with the guy but I don't think I can disagree with him either.
30:46 That's a pretty bold statement.
30:47 What do you think of that?
30:49 It's a pretty bold statement.
30:50 It might be a little bit ahead of its time.
30:52 It's sometimes hard to evaluate when things are in real time.
30:56 So win lose there's no draw in the Super Bowl but win or lose this time I don't think this
31:03 is Andy Reid.
31:04 This may not be his last trip to the Super Bowl.
31:06 There may be more coming.
31:08 Andy Reid has an argument to be made that he's the best professional head coach of all
31:13 time already.
31:15 If he adds another trophy or two then you're really going to see that especially when he's
31:20 done coaching because it's just the nature of it.
31:22 We tend to not with coaches you don't necessarily tend to appreciate him as much when they're
31:27 doing it in real time.
31:30 Reid's success is so wide you have a couple things that stand out.
31:36 You have something that compares a little bit to Joe Gibbs and that Gibbs won three
31:39 different Super Bowls, three different quarterbacks and none of them necessarily outstanding.
31:45 Reid has taken two franchises to play in and four Super Bowls with two outstanding quarterbacks,
31:53 one clear Hall of Famer.
31:57 That counts for a lot.
31:58 We don't know what would have happened in Cleveland had all the mess around the NFL
32:02 not happened there but we and in Cleveland but we you can't apply that.
32:07 So Belichick's record is what it is and it's very unlikely that it's going to change much.
32:12 I don't know how many years he wants to coach from here or what kind of success there will
32:18 be and that takes nothing away from him.
32:21 But yes as we get this drumbeat going to this Super Bowl and we get I think as soon as this
32:27 offseason you're going to see more people say and look at this record and say you know
32:31 what this guy may be better than Parcells, he may be better than Gibbs, he may be better
32:36 than Belichick, he may actually be all in all the best professional head coach that
32:43 there is.
32:44 And it's not just play calling.
32:46 You know any focus on his offensive prowess in Philadelphia has now been really completely
32:57 supported across the board.
32:58 There's not a even close to a weak spot in Andy Reid and his what I think he's got is
33:03 his football brain is bigger and faster than everybody else's.
33:09 He reminds me a bit of Drew Brees at the college level.
33:12 So Drew Brees is at Purdue.
33:14 He's doing everything so quick it's just carving up everybody.
33:19 Magic between Joe Tiller and Drew Brees just boom.
33:22 Brees is ass saving.
33:23 Thought he was the best college quarterback he ever saw.
33:26 Just unreal.
33:27 And then of course great success in the NFL.
33:30 Andy Reid seems like he's got an edge and I think it's just a combination of incredible
33:35 brain power and experience because just look at what he was able to do against the Ravens
33:41 and how many things that he called at the right times and he just and you're talking
33:47 about going up against the Ravens and John Harbaugh and a really good defense and a tremendous
33:53 franchise and they plain got him.
33:57 They got him when they had less talent.
33:59 They got him when they had less momentum.
34:02 They got him when they probably shouldn't have.
34:03 That's why you saw such frustration from the Ravens when that thing was over.
34:08 They're like they got us and that starts at the top.
34:13 This is an absolute master class genius professional football coach.
34:17 I'm sure he could coach at any level.
34:20 We have probably been a little bit asleep at just how good Andy Reid is.
34:25 100% agree with you.
34:26 No argument for me John.
34:29 Next week I'm going to get your Super Bowl prediction but for now John great stuff.
34:34 I just want to quickly say your thoughts on the Tom Tolesco hire.
34:41 It's interesting.
34:43 I really want to see what lessons he has taken from his experience with the Chargers and
34:50 really before that too but especially with the Chargers.
34:52 I want to know what he is going to take from the Chargers.
34:56 Take what lessons he's going to take and apply them to the Raiders.
35:01 Obviously too soon for any of us to know what direction this is going but we've got to see
35:06 everybody aligned going in the same direction.
35:10 You've seen some people around the league already getting tossed.
35:13 You've seen some people talking to the some of the reporters.
35:18 Look at that Big Jets article.
35:19 You've seen some mess out there.
35:21 You cannot have that.
35:23 You cannot have that.
35:24 So if there's any of that within the Raider organization he's got to be the guy to help
35:29 identify it and get it out of there.
35:31 So I'm interested to see how all this staff everything shakes out and lines up because
35:36 everybody has got to be going in the same direction and they have to be getting there
35:40 as fast as they can.
35:43 I agree.
35:44 He's the one and only the great John Schott.
35:47 John I want to make sure I get this right.
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37:08 John people are going to be disappointed.
37:11 You didn't start with a riff.
37:12 So can I get your word next week you'll start with a riff.
37:16 Got a little tune for you.
37:17 A little tune.
37:18 Either a riff like we did last time or a little tune.
37:21 Either one.
37:22 It's ready.
37:23 I didn't know there's a difference.
37:24 I'm not a guitar player.
37:25 So whatever you choose.
37:26 Will you do something next week?
37:28 Oh yeah.
37:29 It's Super Bowl week.
37:30 Yes we will.
37:31 All right.
37:32 He is the one and only.
37:33 The great one.
37:34 The great Johnny Joplin.
37:36 And we appreciate him and all that he does.
37:38 Thanks for watching us today everybody.