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00:00 Live edition of the Patriots Beat podcast here on the CLNS Media Network. It is Brian Hines with

00:05 Pats Pulpit back with Alex Barth from 98.5, the Sports Hub. We figured we would jump on here

00:10 very quickly to break down what was a busy day down at one Patriots place out of nowhere

00:17 on this Wednesday as the coaching staff continues to come along. We got some clarity on the front

00:23 office and some new voices that are coming to the front office and we'll start there because

00:28 that was kind of the big thing of the day and it kind of confirmed what we already saw coming which

00:34 was Elliot Wolfe who had his you know fingertips all over these you know staff hirings and these

00:41 guys that are coming in that have ties to the Packers and you know it looks like Elliot Wolfe

00:46 now is the de facto GM. He might not get the title we'll see on that but it was Ian Rappaport

00:52 who kind of confirmed everything. He said Wolfe will be in charge of the personnel with control

00:57 of the 53-man roster working closely with Gerard Mayo. Matt Groh will handle most of the college

01:03 scouting which we saw him down at the Senior Bowl last week. He'll work with Pat Stewart who's

01:08 heavily involved in all aspects so starting to get the makings of the structure within the

01:14 Patriots front office and as we again kind of all expected it's Elliot Wolfe at the top of that

01:21 structure. Yeah so I can't stress this enough let me start here. The general manager title

01:27 like whether Elliot Wolfe is actually called general manager is purely academic at this point.

01:33 It really doesn't mean anything. The whole we've talked about there's so much pride. Final say

01:41 that's what it all came down to. That's what this report was today. Elliot Wolfe is running

01:45 the personnel department. He's organizing it. He has final say over what happens. Matt Groh is

01:50 handling the college scouting so essentially they switched jobs from last year. Matt Groh is going

01:54 to handle the college and whenever the titles come they come. They may have already been changed

01:58 or actually no I think Mark Daniels reported that the new titles haven't been given out.

02:02 They're going to change their titles at some point when they finalize the front office.

02:05 We'll probably get them in like April. The distribution of labor has been laid out

02:11 internally. Like there's no it is not a rudderless ship. Okay everybody knows what they're doing at

02:17 this point and it seems like everybody's pretty much reporting to Matt Groh and I think that

02:22 includes Gerard Mayo. Now the word collaborative was thrown around in there and there is a level

02:30 of collaboration in it but I think I've laid the scenario out right. Matt Groh and Gerard Mayo want

02:36 one player. Cameron Williams and Alonzo Highsmith want the other. Elliot Wolfe is your deciding vote.

02:44 That's basically what we learned today and it's important. That's important and they have

02:48 Robert Kraft said back when Gerard Mayo was introduced they would have that role decided

02:53 before any big decisions have to be made. They got it decided and before any big decisions had

02:58 to be made like they're in good shape. Wolfe's also clearly helping build out or leading the

03:03 charge building out the coaching staff all of that. This is his team. It's his show. He's

03:09 running things. He has control of the roster. He has control of the coaching staff. I'm sure

03:13 at least in the coaching staff Gerard Mayo is being consulted but this is who's in charge.

03:18 We have the answer to that. >> Yeah and I feel like a lot of people

03:23 might be hesitant about how they feel about that because he's been here. This is just kind of an

03:27 internal promotion but you look at his Elliot Wolfe's career and his path he has worked up from

03:33 pro personnel to assistant director to director of player personnel to director of football

03:39 operations and he got a chance in Cleveland as the assistant general manager and now he's been here

03:45 the last four years as a consultant, as a director of scouting. He's taken GM jobs

03:49 with other teams. I think he was interviewed with Minnesota a few years ago. He's highly

03:55 respected around the league as it seems as a scout, as an executive, as one of these personnel

04:03 type of guys. So he's worthy whether the title comes or not. His career path has made him worthy

04:10 to be a GM and that's what it seems like he is here. Again, we'll see if they actually name a

04:16 general manager which the Crafts haven't really done since they've owned this team but Wolfe is

04:22 a deserving candidate I would say. >> Yeah, he's as deserving as they had in

04:27 the building. I'm not gonna sit here and be like, "Oh, if they could have gotten Adam Peters

04:33 or somebody who'd run an organization before." But I mean, Matt Groh's resume,

04:37 how many times am I gonna do that, dude? Literally, I was writing today. I had to go

04:42 back through and change after Groh's to Wolfe's. Elliot Wolfe's resume is that of somebody who

04:49 it's time to become a general manager. I mean, he was a director of player personnel or pro

04:55 personnel to some extent for about 10 years with the Packers. He was an assistant general manager

04:59 with the Browns. This is not Matt Patricia becoming offensive coordinator. This is not just

05:08 pulling somebody out of nowhere and giving them a job they're not ready for. Elliot Wolfe's entire

05:12 background leads to this point. Could you argue, and Brian, we did this precursor I think after the

05:21 Mayo press conference that we both would have liked to see them maybe go external.

05:26 But if they were gonna stay in the building, I think Elliot Wolfe was the best candidate. I think

05:30 he's a better candidate than Groh. I do really like Cameron Williams, probably not ready yet.

05:34 Maybe he gets there at some point. I think he will get there at some point, but not right now.

05:38 I mean, they didn't have a ton of guys in the building. They had a very small personnel

05:41 department by nature of the way they operated. So I think Wolfe's up for the challenge. We'll see.

05:46 It's a tough task ahead, but I think of all the outcomes, and again, I think some people thought

05:52 they were going to make Gerard Mayo de facto GM like Belichick. He's not ready for that. I can't

05:57 imagine he's ready for that. He said just last year, he started to be involved with the draft

06:01 process. Elliot Wolfe's been in draft rooms for 10, 15 years now. So that's the kind of guy you're

06:09 looking at here. Now the question is, what does that mean? Right? There was the report over the

06:13 weekend that he wants to tackle with three, Joe Walt. So we'll see if that weighs out. Because

06:17 he has final say, but I do think it will still be collaborative. And I think if everybody else in

06:22 the room says Drake may or everybody else in the room says Jane Daniels or everybody else in the

06:28 room says Marvin Harrison jr. That this is kind of where I think it has a chance to differentiate

06:33 from Belichick because if everybody else in the room said Debo Samuel in bill said Nikhil Harry,

06:41 they were taking Nikhil Harry. I think what this is just trying to read between the lines is

06:47 Elliot Wolfe's more of the tiebreaker than the ultimate decider. He's organizing everything too.

06:52 So that's one part of it. He's going to organize it and he's going to be like, all right, this is,

06:56 this is the kind of players we want. Right? So it's, it's the way it used to be was bill would

07:02 go to whoever the director of player personnel was, whether it was grow, whether it was Casario,

07:07 who am I missing in the middle there? Why am I blanking on his name? Went to Vegas.

07:13 Whether it was Ziegler, bill would basically go to that guy and be like, all right, we want,

07:18 you know, fast wide receiver. We want, you know, a man corner we want, and I'm way over

07:24 simplifying here, but you know, we want like a, a strong side edge rusher and they would go do

07:28 their research and they'd come back and they'd be like, all right, for the, the, the strong side

07:33 edge rusher, here's five players. And bill would look and decide which one of the five players he

07:37 wanted. Right. That's basically how that would work. And they would give their recommendations,

07:40 but bill would basically be like, okay, that's the guy. Now what I think it's going to be like

07:43 is Wolf kind of lays out, Hey, this is who we want grow and Cameron Williams and Pat Stewart,

07:49 go find the guys and they come back. And then they say, here's what we found.

07:53 What do we want to do? And what the group wants. Right. And I don't know if it'll,

07:58 again, I'm oversimplifying and there's more nuance to it than this, but I think it's based like if

08:03 they can't decide when those guys come back and there's still no consensus, I think that's where

08:07 Elliot Wolf has the power to say, this is what we're doing. Yep. Which it all goes back to that,

08:12 you know, collaborative approach. They keep talking about, but you need that one guy

08:16 that has final say in case you get to that situation. You can't be deadlocked. And I

08:20 guess you have to have, I, it's funny. I said this, I was explaining this to a friend,

08:24 the whole thing about, all right, well, if five people want this and five people want that,

08:28 you know, here's the tiebreaker. So he goes, why don't you just have an odd number of people in

08:32 the draft? I guess I never even thought of that, but I don't know. Maybe you need, I don't know,

08:39 but whatever happens, maybe they do have an odd number of people in final say doesn't become an

08:43 issue, but yeah, maybe they have like a, maybe they have like a ranking and then each person

08:48 has like a point total depending on their rank. And then it divvies up like that. Somebody has

08:53 to be in charge. You can't have everybody just on their own doing what they need, want to do.

08:56 Somebody has got to be organizing, making sure all the bases are covered. And that's basically

09:00 what Elliot Wolfe is doing. Yeah. You mentioned Cameron Williams, who you're a fan of, I'm a fan

09:07 of, seems like one of these young kind of up and coming guys. He wasn't specifically mentioned

09:11 in Rappaport's tweet. He, you know, Ian mentioned Elliot Wolfe, obviously, Matt Grow and added Pat

09:18 Stewart would be heavily involved in all aspects. Were you surprised not to see Cam Williams in that

09:25 mix or was that just, you know, I can only fit three names in this tweet. Cam Williams is still

09:31 going to be involved in the scouting department. No, I was a little surprised. He's a guy that from

09:36 everything we've heard has been a fast riser in the organization. He was liked in the organization.

09:40 I mean, it was just Bill. I mean, that's possible, but I mean, I, for everything I've heard, like

09:44 he's well-liked in the building people, people believe him. He's, he's young. He hasn't been

09:48 doing this very long. And you look at the other guys that, that Rappaport mentioned, I guess that

09:54 grows been doing this for 15 years. High Smith's been, you know, in front offices for 25 years.

10:00 Pat Stewart's been around a long time. He was a VP of player personnel in Carolina grow. Maybe

10:04 hasn't been around as long, but he was the director of player personnel last year. So

10:08 whether you could say he was accelerated to that role, like he's had it Cameron Williams,

10:11 maybe doesn't have the depth to his resume that those other guys do. So I wonder if that was it.

10:16 I hope it's not that he's going to have a decreased role. Cause I think he brings,

10:21 he's a former player played in college, a local guy who ties the organization. His dad played for

10:27 the team, Brent Williams, again, just from the people I talked to just to do a bright football

10:32 mind, especially on the defensive side of the ball. So I hope he stays involved. I certainly

10:36 hope he stays involved. I was a little surprised to not see him get a mention in there.

10:41 Yep. I agree with you. I hope he, I hope he still has a, a big role in things, but you mentioned

10:46 Highsmith Alonzo Highsmith was one of the guys they brought in to the organization today in a

10:52 front office role. I think it was, I forget the exact title senior. I have it right here.

10:58 Hang on. Will you figure that out? You want to hear from Vandal?

11:01 Sure. Let's do that.

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11:43 All right. So again, Wolf in charge, they did add two new voices or I guess one voice they were

11:50 familiar with. And now one voice who is going to take a big role here as a senior personnel

11:56 executive. That was the exact title. Alonzo Highsmith. He was a former player in the league.

12:02 He's been in front offices. He was with Grow in Green Bay for a long time. He followed Grow then

12:08 to the Cleveland Browns for two years and then he was with Seattle. But most recently, he was at the

12:13 collegiate level at the University of Miami. So really like experienced executive. I think it was

12:21 Dane Brugler, you know, the athletic broke the news. Brugler was saying that Miami, he was really

12:25 known for his kind of evaluation. He was big with the transfer portal, picking out some of these

12:30 players. Miami has had some talented classes the last two years. So just an experienced voice and

12:36 an external voice that again, another guy Wolf is is familiar with. No, you're muted.

12:44 I don't know. First of all, certified badass. Yeah, I did. You in the 80s when that meant

12:50 something was there were leading Russia when they won a natty in 83. Go check out the you 30 for 30.

12:54 If you haven't and the you part to play for you and that meant something. Third overall pick in

12:59 the NFL draft, which OK, cool. So the Patriots already added. They're going to add two third

13:03 overall picks this year. How many teams get to do that? Yeah, it was worked in the NFL for 25

13:08 years, was a boxer at one point. He knocked out Mark Gastineau in three rounds, which is sick.

13:13 But in all seriousness, yeah, he seems to have a knack for for town evaluation. He was in Green

13:18 Bay for a long time, like he was a scout when Green Bay was building that thing up like the

13:22 Rogers era teams went to the you. They had two top 10 recruiting classes the last two years.

13:28 So he you know, he helped in that regard. He was also seen as a culture builder, which Alex

13:33 Van Pelt is a guy that has been categorized that way. Now you bring high Smith in also former player.

13:38 I'm excited to see what he brings. Look, this is a guy that's seen a lot of football. He's been in

13:44 a lot of different football environments. He's held a lot of different roles in the sport.

13:47 He's going to be, I think, a valuable resource for some of these guys in the front office.

13:52 A guy like Matt Groh got like Elliot Wolf, who are in first time roles.

13:56 He's I think he's going to be a really valuable resource for them. I like the higher. I'm excited

14:00 to see what he brings. Yeah, and maybe he brings cam kitchens. I don't know how that would work.

14:05 Cam Cam Ward next year. There's you. There's a guy in 2025. So I did see somebody said like

14:12 he was a big part of recruiting cam Ward to Miami. OK, so that for whatever that's worth.

14:18 Yeah, yeah, definitely get those Miami prospects on your radar. I know you tweeted out the list.

14:25 We you love Cam. None of them really make sense for the Patriots. Yeah, I know it's

14:30 going back to cam kitchens and you know, he is awesome. He just doesn't make sense

14:34 in this draft because he'll probably be a top 50 safety pick, which they really can't afford to do.

14:39 But yeah, I thought the high Smith hire was one of the more exciting ones of the day as

14:45 you know, you said culture builder. He really good eye for talent. It seems helping build that

14:50 Miami program up. Seems like he just did a lot for that whole program. They mentioned, you know,

14:56 he did stuff in the administrative functions. He helped the budget, helped staffers on and off the

15:02 field. So just someone who was really involved and again comes from. I mean, he's been doing this 20

15:07 plus years, so really experienced. So that's exciting to get someone like that in the building.

15:12 And, you know, I like people who like come from college, have some college perspective, too,

15:18 but can help help in the draft. So yeah, just I thought that was a good voice to kind of

15:23 well, look in here in all seriousness. And I joke about cam kitchens before people tear my head off

15:29 for saying they should draft a safety in the top 50. He was an advisor in all ways to Mario Cristobal

15:35 at Miami. They had to prepare for Drake May at some point, and he may have kind of we talked

15:41 about this when Bill O'Brien came from Alabama, not just his insight on the Alabama players,

15:47 but his insight on some of the other SEC defensive players having faced them. There

15:51 definitely is. I wonder, probably an element of that, too, here with with Ismael. Yeah, I tweeted.

15:58 I went back. He played Drake May twice. May won both. He threw like six touchdowns, two interceptions,

16:04 had some completion accuracy issues at times. But yeah, that's just another piece to that kind of

16:12 evaluation puzzle and see how that kind of just unfolds as you go through the process here. But

16:18 the other voice they brought into the front office was Bobby Brown in the executive role. He spent

16:25 seven years, nearly seven years here with the team and then left for the Houston Texans last year. So

16:31 he spent one year and now he comes back. Seems like he was big in Houston in the salary cap

16:36 department, helping them go through the budget and the finances. So bringing back him into

16:41 the fold here as well. Yeah, I think he's my understanding. He's more of a logistics guy

16:47 than a football ops guy. I mean, the salary cap kind of goes both ways. That's more towards the

16:51 football side. But like when he was here the first time, he was working in equipment and then he was

16:55 working in travel. Yeah. The one handling the travel logistics and getting the team on the road

17:01 and stuff like that. I don't think he's somebody that's going to like they're not bringing him

17:05 to the end of the room to ask you. They should take third overall. Yeah. Yeah. I think more of a

17:10 probably more of a logistics hire. Yeah. I agree with you there. So that's kind of the

17:15 setup. That's the structure. That's what we're going through here with the front office. So I

17:20 guess just like what are your big picture kind of thoughts? Are you a fan of it or were you expecting

17:27 more when we started this process or where are you kind of at? Look, again, I talked about that.

17:36 I still would have liked to see them add more of a exterior presence, but knowing that that was

17:42 probably never on the table, like part of me was worried that Gerard Mayo was going to be,

17:46 and everybody knows I like Gerard Mayo as head coach. You're putting so much on his plate.

17:51 If you make him, if you basically make him bill at this point. So I like that they've kind of

17:56 shuffled the structure in the front office. I do think Wolf makes more sense than grow to run the

18:03 department. I do. And this is going to be an unpopular take. I don't care. I like that. We're

18:07 going to get a chance to see what would macro comes to the table with, without Bill Belichick

18:12 overruling him. Cause I've talked about this a lot. There's like breadcrumbs for Matt grow,

18:16 some that are out there, some that maybe aren't as much that he maybe didn't agree with everything

18:24 they did personnel wise the last few years. And let's see, like, like that's where Matt was.

18:30 I'm not sitting here saying macro's going to build a super bowl winning team, but I think he deserves

18:36 a shot in the role he's in right now in like as college scouting director, because he helped with

18:44 that, that 21 draft, which was good. Um, the 22 draft obviously wasn't, but I think last year

18:51 they were in the right direction. So under his leading the drafts, they went two for three.

18:55 Let's see what he can do kind of a little more freedom. Uh, but I do think it's, it's for,

19:01 to run the actual organization and not just player acquisition. Elliot will makes a lot

19:06 more sense. I hope Cameron Williams has a bigger role in it than maybe was illustrated today.

19:11 I think we will probably get the titles in April would be my guess.

19:15 Well, we usually have to update that like the director of player personnel before the draft.

19:20 Yeah, that's kind of, but they can flexible. They can throw somebody up there. Like,

19:26 we'll talk to either grow or some, we have to talk to somebody. Usually it's the GM,

19:31 but they've never had a GM. Right. So that's why it's kind of always been flexible.

19:35 Somebody from personnel will do a press conference. It's usually in late March,

19:39 early April last year was, I think last two years it was grow. Um, yeah, it was. So

19:45 that'll probably be grow again would be my guess. What's going to be really telling is they have to

19:53 give us somebody each night after the draft and in the past. So for the most part in the past,

19:59 it was bill after the first round and then Nick Casserio, Dave Ziegler, Matt grow, whoever the

20:06 next two nights last year, I believe it was grow all three. I think gross spoke after the first

20:12 round last year. We didn't hear from bill at all during the draft process. Bill spoke once,

20:18 did he? Okay. Maybe he might've, he might've went on like day three though. Cause I remember,

20:23 I remember specifically someone asked him like, it was at someone specifically asked him like,

20:29 you use your first three picks on defense. Why'd you do that? And he's like, Oh, there's more than

20:32 one way to build a football team on offense. So wasn't it grow that said that I thought that was

20:38 bill. Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly though. But I thought he spoke at least once

20:45 after one day of the draft last year, he spoke, is this from 22 or 23? I pulled up. Okay. Yeah.

20:52 So he spoke after day two last year. Okay. I think gross spoke one and three. I know gross

20:58 spoke three. He might've spoke one, but I'm curious, like how does that work this year?

21:02 Is it going to be wolf grow and grow? Is it going to be all grow? It's going to be all wolf. We'll

21:09 draw it. Mayo speak right. That is that I think is going to be very talented. Not, not that it'll

21:14 ultimately mean anything, but I think you can, you can infer things from, from the order in which

21:19 they speak, but we'll also probably have the titles by then. So it may not matter either way.

21:23 Yep. Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you went into this and saying you weren't going to get like a GM,

21:28 like an Adam Peters or one of those guys, I think this is, and you're going to stay

21:32 internal for the most part, like craft said, I think this is a pretty good structure. You have

21:37 a guy in Elliot Wolf who we went through his resume and he was, you know, kind of raised

21:42 outside of this organization. He's not just another bill he's in charge. Highsmith is a

21:46 good addition. And I agree with you on, on Matt Wolf. That'll be interesting. Or Matt,

21:51 Matt Wolf. Now the names are all over the place. Yeah. Matt grow, seeing how he does with the

21:56 draft and Pat Stewart's a guy who's been around a lot. Like he was in Philly, he was in Carolina.

22:01 Obviously he was here before that. And Ken Williams is an excited young guy. So, uh,

22:07 I have some confidence, I guess I'll say, and this, this front office structure. So it'll be

22:12 exciting to see how that turns out and they have a important first test at their hands. So yes,

22:18 we'll, we'll get right into it with them, but, uh, we'll briefly wrap this up. There were also

22:24 two, I guess, reported hires or one reported coaching hire and one guy they're targeting,

22:30 a quarterback coach, TC McCartney, who was with the Cleveland Browns and Alex van Pelt as their

22:36 tight ends coach and then offensive line coach, or we didn't get officially if he's going to have

22:42 the offensive line coach title. It looks that way though, but Scott Peters, who was the assistant

22:47 under van Peltz and Bill Callahan out there in Cleveland. So two more of those guys who are

22:53 coming in to, to join van Peltz coaching staff here. Yeah. So I said, I thought the offensive

23:00 line coach was more important than the quarterbacks coach. And here we are. I like the higher,

23:06 I like Peters. Now, a lot of the success they had in Cleveland was definitely Bill Callahan.

23:11 It was a great offensive line coach, but you look at Scott Peters, kind of the way you looked at,

23:16 at, uh, Cole Popovich and Carmen Bersillo in 2020, when they took over for, uh, Dante Skarnec,

23:22 it was all right. You know, they've been in his system. They've worked with him.

23:25 How much of that can they replicate? And they did a pretty good job of it in a short time.

23:28 They were together, obviously COVID kind of put a, uh, a spit on that. Uh, I think you're looking

23:34 at the same thing with Peters. Like how much can he replicate from Callahan? He has the martial

23:37 arts background, the MMA background, the jujitsu background, when it comes to teaching offensive

23:43 line technique and hand placement and things like that and leverage it's all, it all comes from the

23:48 same tree. So I liked the, I liked the higher I, when we were, when we were reacting to it live

23:53 with Taylor, he was like the first guy brought up. Um, I think McCartney's an interesting one.

24:00 All the hires they'd made up to that point were seemingly very quarterback development-based

24:07 van Pelt McAdoo. This is a guy that's coached quarterbacks once in like, I think 10 or 12

24:13 years as a coach. He played, played quarterback at LSU, but he was a scout team quarterback.

24:18 He never played in any games. Uh, if you look at his resume, he was a general offensive assistant

24:23 in San Francisco with Shanahan for multiple years. He was then a quarterback coach. He was

24:27 then a tight ends coach. His resume almost lines up perfectly to be an offensive coordinator,

24:35 specifically a Shanahan McVay style offensive coordinator. You want a little more quarterback

24:39 work. Like if they were to hire him as an OC, I'd say, I want to have a little more experience

24:42 working with the quarterbacks. I almost wonder if they know van Pelt is essentially the QB coach,

24:47 which I had talked about the other night. And this is kind of, all right, you know,

24:53 we're going to get him ready so that if it goes well with van Pelt and he's out of here for a head

24:59 coaching job in a year or two, we have a next guy. We have a clear next guy is the offensive

25:04 coordinator. Cause to me, see TC McCartney makes more sense as like a developmental OC than he does

25:10 as a quarterback's coach, but you got to put them somewhere. There is no really assistant

25:13 quarterbacks coach role. So you stick them as the quarterback's coach where van Pelt's going to have

25:17 a big say anyway. And you get him ready. I think that that would make, would make some sense. So

25:24 it'll be interesting to see how it plays out with him. Uh, in interesting, I don't know how I feel

25:28 about it. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. Like I kinda, it's that thing where if it all

25:32 goes best case scenario, it's going to look brilliant. If it doesn't, we're going to be

25:36 sitting here saying, could they have had somebody with more experience in this position? So

25:39 jury's still out. I, because they have Alex van Pelt, ultimately I'm okay with it.

25:47 If they had hired like Nick Kaley, who didn't have experience working with quarterbacks,

25:51 I did, I, I'd be off on it a lot more, but I think having Van Pelt, you have the flexibility to do

25:57 something like this with this position. Yup. That's where I first went to like a guy who

26:02 could take over this offensive coordinator spot down the line. And you also have Ben McAdoo on

26:07 the staff who could potentially help, you know, an experienced guy who could potentially help

26:11 and had the experience with quarterbacks. So that one will be interesting. I like the Scott Peters

26:16 one, obviously like the jujitsu, jujitsu stuff is really fun. He's won like two Brazilian world

26:22 championships. Uh, we'll see if Joe Kim stays, who's been like that skill development coach on

26:28 the Patriots lines for a while. Same type of thing with that mixed martial arts. So that, that'll be

26:33 fun. He obviously had a lot of success in Cleveland, but now we'll see, can he do it without

26:38 Bill Callahan? Cause that, that's a big step down. And, uh, we could add that the guy they originally

26:43 targeted, uh, Andy Dickerson ended up going to Cleveland to take their offensive line job. So

26:49 he's going to run that room there. And again, Scott Peters didn't officially get the offensive

26:54 line coach title in, in these reports, but it looks like where that one's going to head. So

27:00 they keep filling out that staff. I believe we're down to what running backs, coach,

27:04 wide receiver, running backs, wide receivers, tight end, and then the linebacker corner safety.

27:10 Yep. So still some names to come through here, but we will wrap it up there again. Just a quick

27:16 one today to recap all the news that went down today, but we'll be back on here tomorrow. Stay

27:22 tuned for what time we'll talk about all that, uh, and a little bit more depth than anything else

27:27 that happens to break in these next 24 hours. Cause at this rate, uh, who knows, but in the

27:31 meantime, you can follow Alex on Twitter at re Alex, Barth, go to 95, the sports hub.com to read

27:37 more about all those guys we just talked about from today. You can follow me on Twitter at I

27:41 am Brian Heinz and head over to Pat's pulpit.com to read my work over there as well. Thank you all

27:47 as always for tuning in here today, and we will see you guys tomorrow.

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