On the Podcast: Victoria Beckham Is Not Ready to Become a Grandmother—Yet

Vogue

Chloe talks to the one and only Victoria Beckham, a.k.a. Posh Spice, about what it’s like to be a singer-turned-designer. They also discuss the groundbreaking “Beckham” documentary, what’s on her workout playlist, and what she lets Harper borrow from her closet.   Director: Gabrielle Reich Director of Photography: Rachel Batashvili Editor: Louis Lalire Producer: Qieara Lesesne         Camera Operator: Mike Ciecierski         Assistant Camera: Paola Oliveros         Gaffer: Julia Gowesky         Audio: Nicole Maupin         Associate Producer: Lea Donenberg Associate Producer, On Set: Amy Haskour         Production Assistant: Ziyne Abdo         Glam, Chloe Malle: Emma Strachman         Production Coordinator: Ava Kashar Production Manager: Natasha Soto-Albors Line Producer: Romeeka Powell Senior Director, Production Management: Jessica Schier Assistant Editor: Justin Symonds Post Production Coordinator: Ian Bryant Supervising Editor: Erica DeLeo Post Production Supervisor: Alexa Deutsch Entertainment Director: Sergio Kletnoy Entertainment Editor: Keaton Bell Director of Content, Production: Rahel Gebreyes Senior Director, Programming: Linda Gittleson Executive Producer: Ruhiya Nuruddin VP, Digital Video English: Thespena Guatieri  Filmed at The Beekman, a Thompson Hotel

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00:00 *music*

00:14 Can we start?

00:16 *music*

00:18 Yeah.

00:20 *music*

00:24 *clap*

00:26 *music*

00:32 Welcome to the Run Through of Vogue, Victoria.

00:34 We are so excited to have you.

00:36 And I want to know, welcome to New York.

00:38 What do you pack when you're traveling?

00:40 Oh my gosh.

00:42 I pack a lot. I like to have options.

00:44 Why does that not surprise me?

00:46 I like to have options, so quite a lot.

00:48 Because you never know what you might need.

00:50 Do you plan your outfits ahead of time?

00:52 That was, I have to say, one of my favorite moments

00:54 of the groundbreaking documentary.

00:56 Well, thank you.

00:58 Beckham. And I loved that

01:00 Daybridge plans his outfits a week in advance.

01:02 Do you have the same thing happening in your closet?

01:04 You know, I do. I like to make sure that I have

01:06 all eventualities covered.

01:08 So, yeah. I do.

01:10 I like to be quite organized.

01:12 But have options, for sure.

01:14 Do you work with anyone to do that?

01:16 Do you have a stylist?

01:18 No, no, no. I never work with a stylist.

01:20 Other than when I'm doing the show.

01:22 You know, it's just me.

01:24 You started the clothing line,

01:26 Victoria Beckham, in 2008. Why?

01:28 What was the original

01:30 thought bubble?

01:32 You know, I think it's always been a passion

01:34 and a dream

01:36 that became a reality.

01:38 And did you feel like you had to

01:40 prove yourself or change in any way

01:42 to be taken seriously as a fashion designer?

01:44 No. No. I think that there was

01:46 a naivety back then.

01:48 You know, if I had known

01:50 now,

01:52 then, that's the right way,

01:54 I might not have had the courage to do it.

01:56 But, you know, there was a naivety that was

01:58 that had a sense of freedom

02:00 about it.

02:02 Was there one moment you can think of when you felt like,

02:04 "Oh, I've made it as a designer.

02:06 I am a designer now and people,

02:08 the world is watching."

02:10 After my first show in Paris,

02:12 I felt very proud, very accomplished.

02:14 And I felt that

02:16 I have worked very hard over the years

02:18 to earn my place there

02:20 and earn the right to

02:22 feel that I deserve

02:24 to be there.

02:26 But I feel that I have to continue

02:28 to prove to myself,

02:30 not to anybody else, you know.

02:32 I was always quite aware that people might have

02:34 preconceptions. And even when

02:36 I first started, it always had to

02:38 be about the product.

02:40 What is your process like now? Like, how many collections

02:42 are you working on? What is the day-to-day?

02:44 So, four collections a year.

02:46 Two main collections, two pre-collections,

02:48 and obviously we have

02:50 accessories and everything else

02:52 that goes on, collaborations that

02:54 we might be working on.

02:56 Who is the dream person to wear your clothes?

02:58 Oh my gosh. I would love to dress

03:00 Cate Blanchett. Oh, wonderful.

03:02 I do. I love her. Wonderful.

03:04 That feels doable. That would be a dream.

03:06 That would be a dream.

03:08 If you're not wearing Victoria Beckham, who are you wearing?

03:10 You know, maybe a little bit

03:12 of vintage. I actually really

03:14 love what goes around, comes around

03:16 when I'm here in New York. Being in

03:18 London, we have so many great vintage

03:20 stores, so I love to

03:22 you know, potter

03:24 around and find those hidden

03:26 gems. Wonderful. What's the last great vintage

03:28 piece you bought? Gosh.

03:30 Well, I do like to collect

03:32 vintage denim, so that would probably

03:34 be when I'm here. Victoria, I do feel

03:36 like the

03:38 documentary that came out this fall

03:40 was just a seismic event

03:42 for the culture world. I feel like

03:44 everyone sort of stopped and couldn't

03:46 talk about anything else. Did you expect

03:48 that it would be that reaction? We were

03:50 thrilled by the reaction

03:52 because I think when you do something like that

03:54 it can go one of two ways.

03:56 We were very honest

03:58 and I suppose that puts

04:00 you in a position where you feel

04:02 a little vulnerable,

04:06 right? But it

04:08 was quite

04:10 the experience and I think to be

04:12 in the hands of a fisher

04:14 who is someone that we really

04:16 admire and respect.

04:18 You have to trust and I think

04:20 it was a time where we were just

04:22 really, really honest and I think when

04:24 you feel honest and when you're being honest

04:26 that can make you

04:28 at your most vulnerable and it was very

04:30 real. It was, you know, there was no

04:32 holding back.

04:34 Well, I have to say my biggest takeaway

04:36 from it was the Beckhams

04:38 are all about family. Well, and also

04:40 the sort of weird cooking shed

04:42 which I also love. Don't tell him you called it

04:44 a shed. It's

04:46 a very fabulous tent.

04:48 It's beautiful.

04:50 But I'm curious about

04:52 what does the

04:54 Beckham family group chat look like?

04:56 Well, I think it was Harper actually

04:58 that set the chat up.

05:00 And we all like to really participate.

05:02 You know, we're a very close family

05:04 and we really value each other

05:06 and time together. We like to

05:08 even when we're traveling make sure that we're all

05:10 communicating regularly.

05:12 Does it have a name? I think

05:14 it's not as interesting as you might think.

05:16 I think it's like Beckham family chat or something

05:18 like that. What's your most

05:20 used emoji?

05:22 Probably the

05:24 crying emoji where we're laughing.

05:26 The cry because

05:28 everybody in the Beckham family does have

05:30 well, I think we're all really funny

05:32 especially me. Like really

05:34 funny like comedy value, right?

05:36 I would like to think.

05:38 How often are you talking

05:40 on the phone to your kids or seeing them?

05:42 A lot. A lot. A lot.

05:44 Myself and David like to

05:46 not travel at the

05:48 same time. So one of us can always be

05:50 home with Harper. She's the only one who's

05:52 still at home. She is. You know, Cruz

05:54 he travels a lot and

05:56 Romeo has his own place right now

05:58 and Brooklyn lives

06:00 in LA.

06:02 Me and David like to not be away at the

06:04 same time. One of us likes to be at

06:06 home doing the school run.

06:08 You know, all those kind of things. I know I have to say

06:10 seeing Harper as an

06:12 almost adult made me feel old.

06:14 I remember sitting next to her at one of your

06:16 fashion shows and she was picking her nose as

06:18 a four-year-old. I know. But there was that

06:20 iconic image of Harper

06:22 sitting next to Anna.

06:24 I think she had the same hair. She had the

06:26 bob like Anna.

06:28 The only difference was is that Harper had

06:30 an entire fist up her nostril.

06:32 Yes. Thankfully Anna

06:34 was not picking her nose but

06:36 Harper was but they had, you know, matching

06:38 hairstyles. Well, I

06:40 wonder, now that you have kids

06:42 who are adults and mostly, I mean

06:44 three sons who are adults,

06:46 do you have advice for them as they

06:48 sort of enter dating or for

06:50 Brooklyn as a young

06:52 married person? I think

06:54 you just got to be there for them. You know, I think

06:56 communication is key and

06:58 be there to support them,

07:00 support him and Nicola and

07:02 I don't like to offer advice.

07:04 I think I'm always just there. Me and David

07:06 were always just there. Are you

07:08 excited to be a grandmother? Is that going to happen soon?

07:10 Oh, Jesus! What?

07:12 Woo!

07:14 Hang on. I don't think

07:16 it's happening just yet. Unless you guys

07:18 know something that I don't, it's not

07:20 happening just yet. I just

07:22 I got married in my

07:24 late 20s and to me I was not ready yet but

07:26 immediately my mother was ready for that

07:28 to be next topic of conversation.

07:30 The last time I was with Anna, I was like,

07:32 "Anna, what do your

07:34 grandchildren call you?" And she said to me,

07:36 "Anna."

07:38 Yeah, I know. And I was like,

07:40 "Well, that is very elegant so maybe

07:42 I'll take that route." Yes, yes, exactly.

07:44 But it's not happening just yet.

07:46 But, you know, hopefully one day if I am

07:48 blessed, then

07:50 that would be wonderful. But we're not there

07:52 just yet.

07:54 It's hot. Guys, it's hot in here.

07:56 What's happening?

07:58 Is it different being a mother-in-law than

08:00 a mother? Or is that... I don't know.

08:02 You know, I think Nicola is wonderful

08:04 and I think that she is so

08:06 talented. She's so passionate about what

08:08 she does.

08:10 And her and Brooklyn make each other super

08:12 happy and that is wonderful

08:14 to see. As a mother, all you want is

08:16 for your kids to be happy,

08:18 right? That's everything.

08:20 I know Nicola has her film premiere this

08:22 weekend for "Hemring." Are you

08:24 dressing her? Are you going? I am dressing

08:26 her and I will absolutely be there.

08:28 I'm very proud to be there. She's worked

08:30 so hard. I have to say,

08:32 when we were doing research for this, we were amazed that

08:34 you are the person who has been on the most

08:36 Vogue covers of anyone we've interviewed.

08:38 Oh, stop. 31.

08:40 Do you have

08:42 a favorite? When you think of Vogue covers, do you

08:44 have one that you go to immediately? Sorry, how

08:46 many was that? 31.

08:48 Internationally. Okay. I have

08:50 to say, I loved the Michael

08:52 Janssen cover that we did for British

08:54 Vogue. I have one of the dogs on

08:56 the cover. And people say, "Don't work

08:58 with dogs or children." And that cover was...

09:00 Was it your dog? It was our dog.

09:02 There was a dog and there was children.

09:04 And there was Michael Janssen. It was

09:06 a real moment. You have a big birthday

09:08 coming up. Yes.

09:10 Do you have plans?

09:12 Is that something you're going to be celebrating? Mark Jacobs

09:14 a few days ago posted his

09:16 birthday cake and it was... He had a lot of

09:18 candles. I saw. I don't love

09:20 big birthday parties. I just like to

09:22 surround myself with the people

09:24 that I love, that I care about. I did

09:26 have to say, I did say to Mark

09:28 when I last saw him, "God, Mark,

09:30 we've got some big birthdays coming up."

09:32 I was like, "How do you feel about that?"

09:34 And he turned to me and he said, "You know,

09:36 Victoria, it's better than the alternative."

09:38 And I said, "What's that?"

09:40 He's like, "Not being

09:42 here." I was like, "Well, actually, you've got a point, Mark."

09:44 And I... Don't we just love Mark for

09:46 honesty? I mean, the words of wisdom

09:48 from Mark Jacobs. Very important.

09:50 Is there any, like, one word that

09:52 comes to mind when you think about aging?

09:54 Is it a good thing? Are there

09:56 bad things? I think it's good

09:58 if you are healthy,

10:00 happy, content,

10:02 but still driven

10:04 and excited and still ambitious.

10:06 Then that's all

10:08 good. What is the Victoria's

10:10 secret to getting older? Is there

10:12 one thing? I think

10:14 work hard, but, you know,

10:16 have fun. Enjoy the journey.

10:18 You know, over the years, from

10:20 being in the Spice Girls to starting

10:22 my brand to being where I am

10:24 now, I think it's about working

10:26 hard, but really enjoying the journey.

10:28 I'm going to do a rapid-fire

10:30 round of quick questions. Okay, good.

10:32 Dream vacation? I'd say somewhere

10:34 beautiful in Europe

10:36 in the summertime. With the family?

10:38 With my family, yeah. What's

10:40 on the soundtrack?

10:42 '90s soul on R&B.

10:44 Okay. What's your guilty

10:46 pleasure? A little cocktail or something. What's the

10:48 cocktail of choice for Victoria's? Well, we're currently

10:50 into a lappacine,

10:52 I have to say. Oh, I don't know what that is.

10:54 Oh my gosh, it's a life changer. Oh my gosh,

10:56 tell me everything. Okay, it's a little champagne

10:58 with a big ice cube

11:00 and a little soda water.

11:02 Oh, quite straightforward.

11:04 Quite straightforward. Yeah, we're into that

11:06 right now. Lovely. Alright, and

11:08 is there anything in your closet that

11:10 Harper is not allowed to borrow?

11:12 No, I mean, I really do value my

11:14 Jordan 4s and she does,

11:16 because I'm a secret collector

11:18 of trainers, and she does like to wear

11:20 them. Okay. Even the really exclusive

11:22 ones. Okay. I can't say no to her.

11:24 She can,

11:26 all the kids can borrow anything that they want.

11:28 Are you, you are a regular Instagram,

11:30 do you have a finsta? A what?

11:32 A fake Instagram where you can sort of lurk

11:34 and look at people? Oh. No.

11:36 Is that a thing? Yeah, you should get one.

11:38 What is it again? A finsta, a fake

11:40 Instagram, and that way people don't

11:42 see that you're

11:44 looking at what they're doing. I should.

11:46 That sounds like fun. What's your favorite

11:48 online shopping site?

11:50 First Dibs. We love our

11:52 homes and, you know, you can find

11:54 some great things. What's the last great thing

11:56 you got on First Dibs? Probably some lights or

11:58 something like that. Okay. It's the

12:00 30th anniversary of the Spice Girls,

12:02 which is very exciting. Is there

12:04 a Spice Girls group chat? Actually,

12:06 we do have a group chat. What makes

12:08 it sort of pop off? What are you guys excited

12:10 to sort of get in touch about? You know,

12:12 I just think, listen, we're all moms.

12:14 Okay. You know, we're all very close

12:16 to our children and we've all

12:18 got such different careers now.

12:20 I think what we created is so

12:22 special and such a legacy

12:24 and something really to be celebrated.

12:26 You know, we just had some stamps. I was

12:28 just going to ask about that. Yeah. That's

12:30 very exciting. How do you feel about

12:32 knowing that people will be licking you?

12:34 Did Anna vet these questions?

12:36 She did. Is what I want to know.

12:38 Alright. It's quite the thing,

12:40 apparently. I didn't realize quite

12:42 what an honor it was. Absolutely.

12:44 And I was working out in the gym with

12:46 David and he was like, "Oh my God, you didn't tell me

12:48 that you had these stamps."

12:50 Do you guys work out together? Yeah.

12:52 Oh, that's so nice. The two of us do, yeah.

12:54 David's often the DJ. He likes to procrastinate.

12:56 What is he playing usually? It's always

12:58 the same. 19, 20,

13:00 21. I don't know. I don't know.

13:02 It's always the same. 90s soul

13:04 and R&B. Okay. Yeah.

13:06 He likes to procrastinate. I work much harder

13:08 in the gym, I'm just saying.

13:10 Yeah. Excellent.

13:12 Well, it's been such a pleasure.

13:14 Thank you so much.

13:16 I don't expect,

13:18 I'm not suggesting you're going to be a grandmother anytime

13:20 soon. I was just curious. Okay. Well, I just thought

13:22 it was something that you're not telling me.

13:24 Right? There's nothing you know?

13:26 Okay. We did not get

13:28 an insider scoop. We, uh...

13:30 Well, one day hopefully,

13:32 I, we will be blessed.

13:34 But thank you so much. This has been a lot

13:36 of fun.

13:38 [Music]

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