On the latest episode of Talkin' C's, Bobby Krivitsky, Jack Simone, and Sam LaFrance discussed what's stood out to them from the Celtics' season entering the All-Star break, areas of concern, integrating Xavier Tillman and Jaden Springer, and Jordan Walsh's trajectory.
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00:02 And we are back with another edition
00:10 of How 'Bout Them Celtics Talk and Seize
00:12 with Bobby Kravitzky of SI Media Group.
00:14 Bobby, how are you doing today?
00:15 - Doing fantastic.
00:16 Looking forward to All-Star weekend
00:18 and seeing what's in store for us.
00:20 - Yes, sir.
00:21 Yes, sir, All-Star weekend.
00:22 Means a little bit of a break from the Celtics,
00:27 but that doesn't mean we're taking a break
00:28 from the Celtics, we're here and we're still gonna talk
00:31 plenty of seize action.
00:33 Where do you wanna start, Bobby?
00:35 A lot of wide range of stuff.
00:36 There's no games to cover,
00:37 so we can start wherever you want.
00:38 So is there anything in specific you wanna start about,
00:41 start talking about to kick off the show?
00:44 - Yeah, I think that we're coming up
00:46 on the home stretch of the season
00:48 and with this being a natural recess,
00:51 it makes sense to pause and reflect and talk about,
00:54 okay, what stands out to us from a positive
00:57 and a negative perspective?
00:59 So from a positive light for the Celtics,
01:03 there are two things in particular.
01:04 I mean, there's a whole laundry list,
01:06 but two that I'll go with right now that stand out.
01:09 One is the growth of Joe Mazzulla.
01:12 And I think a lot of that has to do
01:13 with not only experience,
01:15 he got thrown into the fire last year
01:17 right before media day in training camp.
01:19 And now he has since had a year that included
01:22 going head to head in the seven game playoff series
01:24 with Eric Spolster.
01:25 So there's the growth that comes from that,
01:27 but also he's no longer in survival mode.
01:30 He's gotten to place his imprint on this team.
01:33 He got to fill out a coaching staff for the first time
01:35 and he was able to get Sam Cassell and Charles Lee,
01:38 two of the league's top assistants.
01:40 In the case of Charles Lee,
01:41 there were two instances where he nearly became
01:43 a head coach last summer.
01:45 So to have a staff like that to lean on
01:47 in this collaborative approach of his is invaluable.
01:51 And then also what you see from him
01:53 in terms of we've talked about
01:55 just having his finger on the pulse of the team
01:57 and okay, this is the messaging,
01:59 especially when it comes to mindset and mentality
02:01 that I need to drill home.
02:03 I think he's at the root of the win the day mantra
02:05 that they've adopted that has really served them
02:08 well this season.
02:09 You heard Christoph Sporzingis credit them for.
02:11 They showed up for that last game before the break
02:14 and Brooklyn didn't.
02:15 And he said it had a lot to do with Joe Mazzulla
02:17 making sure that they were ready to go
02:19 and they weren't looking ahead to vacation.
02:22 And then secondly, and I'll be brief with this one,
02:24 is that this team has improved so much
02:27 compared to even just last season
02:29 when it comes to quickly and consistently
02:32 making the right reads.
02:33 I think Derek White has made a leap in that front.
02:36 I think Jalen Brown has obviously experienced
02:39 the biggest jump.
02:40 And so that is a factor that is really going to be crucial
02:44 to their success come the playoffs.
02:46 - Yeah, I mean, I like a lot of the growth
02:49 we've seen from this team this season.
02:51 You see the Celtics being much more consistent on offense
02:56 because they have more layers to their game.
02:58 I know we had the whole Perk talking point here
03:02 over the last week of, they don't post up enough.
03:04 They shoot too many threes.
03:06 That's the only thing they do,
03:06 but that's not the case anymore.
03:08 If Perk said that over the summer,
03:10 when this team was coming together,
03:11 it would be a little bit more valid.
03:13 But they are what, second in the league in post-ups
03:16 behind Jokic and the boys there in Denver.
03:18 And generating the most points per game out of them.
03:21 - Yeah, I love the post-up game.
03:24 Jack, all summer, all I talked about
03:25 was when Porzingis got here.
03:26 I was like, this is gonna rule, they're gonna post up.
03:28 They're gonna have another late game weapon to use.
03:31 And we've seen them play a lot better in close games.
03:34 There have been close games they've lost for sure,
03:36 but it does feel like they managed to get themselves
03:38 over the finish line more often than not this year.
03:41 And that's just not something I think we could feel
03:43 last year at this time.
03:44 We were worried every time the game was close
03:46 in the playoffs.
03:47 I don't think I ever felt comfortable
03:48 when the Celtics were in a dogfight.
03:50 The only time the Celtics were beating teams
03:52 last year and the year before
03:53 is when they were absolutely steamrolling them.
03:55 And that happened a lot,
03:56 and the Celtics were still a good team.
03:58 But this season feels different
04:00 because they're actually pretty good at closing games.
04:03 Miami, the win in Miami is my favorite.
04:05 They couldn't get shots to fall.
04:07 They played defense, they focused regardless,
04:09 and they got past Miami, a gritty team, and took the win.
04:13 So, love the mental growth we've seen to your point, Bobby.
04:18 - This team is ridiculously good.
04:22 Like, I feel like we take for granted
04:24 how dominant this Celtics team is.
04:27 It is the all-star break.
04:28 They have, let me count,
04:31 four more wins than any team in the NBA,
04:34 and seven more wins than any other team in the East
04:38 at the all-star break.
04:40 Like, for all of the fair criticisms,
04:43 for all of the concerns you've had
04:45 because this team hasn't won a title yet,
04:47 for all of the nitpick things you can look at,
04:50 they are far and away the best team in the East,
04:55 and pretty clearly the best team in the NBA.
04:58 And from what we've seen so far,
05:01 the only thing that really gets in their way,
05:05 there's a couple things.
05:05 One, which is something I think they've gotten over so far,
05:08 I think really physical defense
05:11 gets in their way a little bit.
05:12 You saw it in the Timberwolves game early on in the season.
05:14 You saw it in that Thunder game
05:15 when they really get mucked up on the drive
05:17 and it ruins their driving kick game.
05:19 I think that messed with them a little bit to start the year.
05:22 I think they've gotten a lot better at it lately.
05:24 Outside of that, it's just them getting in their own way
05:28 and staying focused.
05:29 It feels like the games they've lost
05:31 were because they just didn't feel like focusing that day,
05:34 which I'm not saying is a good thing,
05:36 but I don't think that will be as much of an issue
05:38 when the games matter a ton.
05:40 It does feel like they came out so hot
05:42 because they're like, "All right, let's get off.
05:43 "Let's get off to a big start to the season."
05:46 And then they've sort of trickled off
05:48 in terms of mindset 'cause they're like,
05:49 "All right, it's playoffs time.
05:50 "Is it playoffs yet?
05:51 "Like, TikTok, when are we playing the playoffs?"
05:54 Even their away record,
05:56 we were looking at their home away record
05:57 and they were undefeated at home
05:58 and they were like, I don't know,
06:00 six and four, six and five away to start the year.
06:03 They're 17 and nine on the road now.
06:05 They've surged there too.
06:07 So it's like, when they are playing at full strength
06:13 with fully healthy roster
06:15 and are locked in on both sides of the ball,
06:18 I know it wasn't the perfect example
06:20 'cause the Nets aren't a very good team,
06:22 but the defense they played against the Nets
06:24 in the first quarter,
06:25 there was nothing the Nets could do.
06:28 So that's my best takeaway
06:32 in terms of the first half of the season.
06:34 Curious to know what you guys think of the,
06:36 I suppose the worst,
06:37 although it's hard to say worst when they're this good.
06:41 - Yeah, I am curious
06:42 and I especially wanna get Sam's take on that.
06:44 But what I'll just say quickly
06:46 before throwing it over to him
06:47 is that to one of the points you made there, Jack,
06:50 it's why I think it's so important
06:52 that after the All-Star break,
06:54 yes, it's about experimentation and pacing guys
06:58 and getting them rest,
06:59 making sure they're fresh for the playoffs,
07:01 but you also can't stray
07:03 from continuing to build on winning habits
07:07 and not squandering a day.
07:10 And so that's why I don't want them
07:12 to be this team that was great until the All-Star break
07:16 and then took their foot off the gas to any extent
07:19 where it led to,
07:20 it was detrimental come the post-season.
07:23 So I think it is important
07:25 that they continue to build on the foundation
07:28 that they've established to this point
07:30 rather than just completely ease up
07:34 and start going from,
07:35 if they were driving 80 miles per hour
07:38 to kick it all the way down to 50 is a little too low.
07:41 - Yeah, I mean, if you want me to complain, you got it.
07:47 So one thing, and this has been a lot better
07:49 the last couple of games,
07:51 that I would like to see them do more consistently
07:53 is play defense and lock in on the end of the floor.
07:55 The Celtics this year have been an offense-heavy team,
07:58 which is fine.
07:59 It's great that they can put the ball in the basket.
08:01 It's great that it's felt like they've been more consistent
08:03 than they ever have been.
08:05 The problem is, is they will go on
08:07 these absolute scoring outbursts.
08:09 They'll score 70 and a half,
08:11 and they'll look up and only be up single digits.
08:14 Like if you are putting a hammer down
08:17 on the opposing defense,
08:19 you need to capitalize on it.
08:20 You need to build up a lead.
08:22 They were against Washington last week,
08:23 and they barely had any kind of halftime lead.
08:26 Actually, they were losing at the half to Washington.
08:27 Atlanta was the team
08:28 they barely had a lead on at the half,
08:30 and they had 71 points.
08:31 Play defense, be serious.
08:33 Now, perfect example, the Nets game,
08:36 which they won by 50,
08:37 and they obviously aren't gonna win by 50 every day,
08:40 but we saw how much they can build a lead
08:43 just by playing defense at the same time
08:45 as playing good offense,
08:46 and letting that defense lead into good offense.
08:49 It's not gonna be perfect.
08:50 There are going to be off nights,
08:52 but I would like the defense to be more consistent.
08:54 I feel like there have been several games this year
08:57 where they haven't been able to get a stop
08:59 for quite some time.
09:00 There are just stints where it's just like,
09:02 it's the guy at the turnstiles.
09:04 I think it's a European soccer game.
09:06 He's barely even patting people down.
09:08 He's just like, "Yep, you're good, you're good,"
09:10 and just letting everybody in.
09:12 That's what the defense looks like at times.
09:14 OKC is a game in particular that sticks out to me.
09:17 It was the game that they almost came back and won
09:19 despite being kind of putrid the whole time,
09:21 and it was because they didn't play defense
09:23 in the third quarter.
09:23 At least they didn't get stops.
09:25 There was probably a five-minute stretch
09:27 where it was just basket after basket after basket,
09:29 and it was tough.
09:30 So when the playoffs roll around,
09:33 lock in on defense, make that your calling card,
09:35 and let the offense be found money.
09:37 - I think the defense has been pretty good this year.
09:42 I agree with the concept that there have been stints
09:45 where they have slowed down.
09:47 I also just think that, I mean,
09:48 I asked them about it after the game,
09:49 like, it happens.
09:51 Like, it's gonna happen.
09:52 It's 82 games.
09:53 They're not gonna be perfect all the time.
09:54 I think expecting perfection is irrational.
09:57 I'm not saying that's what you're doing,
09:59 but it's gonna happen.
10:01 It's just a matter of locking back in.
10:02 I think what concerns me more,
10:04 or not even concerns, but what I look for more is,
10:07 I think the transition opportunities thing
10:09 is more important, 'cause I think that's less of a matter
10:12 of defense. - Opposing transition.
10:14 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, when they let opponents,
10:16 like the Washington game.
10:17 Like, that was, what are you doing?
10:19 That was unacceptable.
10:20 So I think that's more of the thing.
10:23 You can mess up defensive execution.
10:25 You can have miscommunications on defense
10:27 where the other team is able to slip through the cracks.
10:30 You can have off nights where you're lapsing a little bit,
10:34 but when you're letting a team score 20 points,
10:38 30 points in transition in the first half,
10:40 that has nothing to do with an off night.
10:42 That's just you not trying.
10:43 And so I think those are the things--
10:46 - I love it.
10:47 - That are more concerning to me,
10:49 'cause I think, I mean, the defense is third
10:50 in the league right now, and the offense--
10:52 - No, it's not bad by any means,
10:55 but it feels weaker than the offense, don't you think?
10:57 Like, you feel like the offense is, like,
10:59 just perfected for the most part.
11:00 - I don't think, but I don't think that's,
11:02 I don't think that it's weaker, so the defense is bad.
11:05 I think that's, the offense is just obscene.
11:07 Like, I don't think that's the reflection of--
11:08 - And also, I think it's a part of,
11:11 I think it's a part of today's NBA,
11:12 where I'm not surprised that they're better offensively
11:16 than they are defensively.
11:17 I think that applies to most teams,
11:19 especially at the top of the league.
11:21 And also, I look at a number of the games
11:24 that were referenced just now,
11:26 especially Washington, and say,
11:29 they didn't show up that night.
11:30 And that's going to happen.
11:32 You know, you wanna minimize 'em, but it's one of 82,
11:36 and it's a Friday night where, for whatever reason,
11:39 fatigue, all that, they even admitted afterwards
11:42 that they looked at Washington and was like,
11:43 okay, like, we can kinda coast through this one.
11:46 And look, they went full throttle for 12 minutes,
11:49 and you would've liked the fourth quarter then
11:51 to win comfortably and put them away.
11:54 That didn't happen, which is interesting.
11:56 But ultimately, they did get the win on a night
11:59 where they honestly didn't really show up.
12:01 - Yeah, I mean, like you said, they won, which was great.
12:05 And the fact that they were able to just turn it on
12:07 and dominate the third quarter,
12:09 I think they gave up, what, 14, 16 points in the quarter.
12:12 Like, it's exactly what you want to see from the Celtics.
12:15 So the fact that they have a switch that they can flip,
12:17 and you can see it happen mid-game,
12:19 is a really positive thing.
12:21 I don't love having to rely on them
12:23 to flip a switch in the playoffs,
12:25 but to know that they have another level
12:27 that they can get to is pretty great.
12:28 - Definitely.
12:31 Yeah, I think they've been pretty good this year.
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12:40 for the most part for Talkin' Cs.
12:42 Where do you wanna go next, Bobby?
12:44 Again, you can kinda jump around here,
12:46 'cause it's no games, there's no real order we have to go in.
12:50 - Yeah, I think there's a whole bunch of different items
12:53 that we can get to here.
12:55 So one of 'em for me is gonna be coming out of the break,
12:59 the integration of Xavier Tillman and Jaden Springer.
13:03 And I'm really curious to see what that looks like,
13:06 how many minutes they get.
13:07 It's going to coincide with pacing some players
13:11 ahead of them in the rotation.
13:13 So it'll be interesting, but look,
13:15 they have ingredients individually that suggest
13:18 they'll be able to come in and hit the ground running.
13:21 With Tillman, we're talking about a veteran,
13:24 a high IQ individual who's a really good
13:27 and versatile defender and effective screener
13:29 and facilitator.
13:31 That's something I spoke to Joe Mazzullo about,
13:33 and he was very complimentary about Tillman's play
13:35 at both ends of the floor.
13:36 And he talked about how important it is
13:39 that their bigs do an excellent job
13:40 of making the right screen reads.
13:42 And that's a box that Tillman checks resoundingly.
13:45 So I think that he'll be able to come in and play well.
13:49 And along with having the break,
13:51 Jaden Springer is a dog out there.
13:53 He's someone who that motor does not stop.
13:57 He's relentless and he makes his bread on defense.
14:00 And so I think he's someone that's going to quickly
14:02 endear himself to Celtics fans.
14:04 And when that's your style of play,
14:05 and it's far less about what's happening
14:07 at the offensive end, at least right now,
14:10 and on this team in particular,
14:11 I think it suggests that he'll be able
14:14 to acclimate quite smoothly.
14:17 - Yeah, I mean, I'm on the same page as Bobby here.
14:19 I think both these guys are really good Celtics.
14:22 Like they just play the way that the fan base
14:24 really likes to see, they both play hard.
14:26 Tillman is going to be somebody
14:27 that's more of a rotation guy,
14:28 I think than Springer will be, at least right now.
14:31 He has the wiggle room to carve out a roll off the bench
14:35 because the Celtics are actively kind of looking
14:37 for that third big guy.
14:38 And I know John in the comments
14:40 mentioned the playoff rotations,
14:42 to fill in and be able to play in the big spots.
14:44 And even in these back-to-back games
14:46 where one of Horford and Porzingis is always out,
14:48 they usually don't run both those guys
14:50 on the both legs of the back-to-back.
14:52 So there's going to be plenty of opportunity
14:53 for him to get in there.
14:55 I'm excited to see how switchable he is on defense.
14:58 I've heard all the great things
15:00 that everybody told Jack about him.
15:01 When the trade happened, Jack went around,
15:04 talked to some Grizzlies reporters,
15:05 and they gave him a ton of good info on Tillman.
15:07 It sounds like we're all going to love him.
15:09 So I'm pumped.
15:10 I'm excited to see if his offense goes to another level
15:14 within the Celtics team,
15:15 because Memphis was a good team last year,
15:18 had good pieces out there, had good initiators,
15:21 but this year, with Jha out,
15:24 they didn't have as many different guys
15:27 that can pick on defenses, put pressure on them,
15:30 and Tillman, his field goal percentage,
15:32 really, really hurt from it.
15:33 He was only at about 41% as a big guy,
15:36 which is not what you want to see.
15:38 But on the Celtics, somebody like Luke Cornett,
15:39 who has a similar offensive skillset to Tillman,
15:43 was shooting, or is shooting, almost 70% of the field.
15:46 So if they could put him in that role,
15:48 he could very well thrive on the Celtics.
15:51 - I'm very excited for Xavier Tillman.
15:53 I think he's going to be a really good player for this team.
15:54 I was telling Bobby before last game, we were just talking,
15:57 I said something along the lines of,
15:59 I think he could be the eighth best player in this team
16:01 by the start of next season.
16:02 He's great defensively, a little bit smaller,
16:07 but it makes him switchable.
16:09 Great rebounder for his size.
16:11 Can guard bigger guys.
16:13 He can guard AD, Jokic, Giannis, Spam,
16:17 like John is saying in the chat, absolutely.
16:19 He has a reputation for being able to guard those guys.
16:21 And having that on a team that is going to have to go
16:26 through, maybe not this year for them,
16:28 but Embiid and Giannis and those guys
16:30 in the playoffs is huge.
16:32 He's a great screener.
16:33 I think his touch around the rim is going to look
16:35 a lot better with the space he'll have in Boston.
16:38 I don't think he'll necessarily jump in directly
16:41 ahead of Luke Cornett.
16:42 I do think that once he learns the defensive schemes,
16:46 he'll probably play over Luke Cornett.
16:48 I just think he's a better player overall.
16:50 He's probably more skilled.
16:51 And on top of that, three point shot looks all right.
16:57 Not saying he's going to take a bunch,
16:59 but I know he can and he has in the past.
17:00 So I'm hoping they're a little more open
17:03 to allowing him to shoot threes.
17:04 As far as Jayden Springer,
17:05 I don't know if either of you guys got to me,
17:06 but we can go around the horn with that too.
17:08 Like, I don't think he'll play as much.
17:10 I think they value shooting a lot
17:12 at the non-big man position.
17:14 I think that's, I mean, the big man position
17:16 is really the only spot where they have non-shooters
17:18 on the floor ever, and it's just Luke Cornett
17:20 and sometimes Miaschka.
17:22 And so having a guy who's not a great three point shooter
17:24 is probably not going to happen a lot.
17:25 The only time I could see him getting on the court
17:29 is what Carl said here, when PP can't guard, trigger a play.
17:33 And so if they need somebody to go in,
17:35 play some intense point of attack defense off the bench,
17:38 I think they can get him in there.
17:40 That said, that's why they have Derek White in Drew Holiday.
17:43 Like, I don't think he'll get in a ton of run
17:46 because when they do need defense at the guard spot,
17:48 they have probably two of the three best guard defenders
17:51 in the league on the team.
17:52 So I don't know if Springer will be the go-to.
17:55 I think he'll get some chances in the regular season,
17:57 but I don't think he'll play in the playoffs.
17:58 Tillman, I think, has a chance to play in the playoffs.
18:01 - Yeah, wholeheartedly agree with that.
18:05 And then I also look at another player
18:07 because Springer is more about the long-term.
18:11 He's under contract for next season
18:13 and probably not going to price himself out of Boston,
18:17 even with the payroll and the second apron
18:19 being what they are.
18:21 And another individual who is more about the long-term
18:24 is Jordan Walsh.
18:25 And we got to see more of him
18:27 against Brooklyn on Wednesday night.
18:29 And it was obvious that there was some nervous energy there,
18:33 some jitters as his first legitimate chance
18:35 for NBA rotation minutes.
18:37 But I still think there were a lot of positives out there,
18:41 just in terms of the traits
18:43 and how active he was defensively.
18:44 I thought he set some effective screens,
18:46 most notably when he cleared a runway for Derek White
18:49 to step into a pull-up jumper that he knocked down.
18:52 He got a block, a steal, he had five rebounds.
18:54 So there were still positives there.
18:57 And from Joe Mazzuolo to members of the front office,
19:00 to players on the team,
19:02 he has earned a lot of praise for really important assets
19:06 that will serve him well in his development.
19:08 And it stems from his discipline,
19:11 his commitment when he's in Maine,
19:13 to playing in the role that resembles
19:15 what he'll have in Boston, to his work ethic,
19:18 to how quickly he picks up and then applies information.
19:21 So when you're 6'7" with a 7'3" wingspan,
19:24 you're light on your feet,
19:25 and you can be just this havoc wreaker defensively,
19:28 who's good on the glass and able to push the ball
19:30 and likes to facilitate,
19:32 there's a lot of upside for Jordan Walsh,
19:34 who's only 19 and definitely factors
19:37 into Boston's long-term planning.
19:39 - Yeah, Walsh is somebody
19:41 that certainly has ways to go physically.
19:44 If you just look at the rest of the players
19:45 when he's on the court, he is much, much skinnier.
19:48 But to his credit, he talked a lot after,
19:53 what was it, Wednesday's game against Brooklyn.
19:56 And he was like, "Listen,
19:58 I, of course, was kind of nervous."
20:01 He was talking about how he tried to calm himself down.
20:04 But he was like, "The bottom line is I want to go out there
20:06 and represent the uniform correctly.
20:08 I want to play hard.
20:09 I want to play like a Celtic.
20:10 I want to give the fans something to respect about me."
20:14 And despite not putting the ball in the basket, he did that.
20:17 Bobby mentioned the box score with five rebounds,
20:19 couple of blocks, steal.
20:21 He was running the floor, playing hard.
20:23 And that's why I think the crowd
20:26 at the Garden loves him so much.
20:27 They can tell his mindset is right.
20:30 He's committed to being a winning player.
20:33 He has become a media darling.
20:34 He's just somebody that seems to be well-liked
20:37 by everybody who's interacted with him.
20:39 And it makes it really easy to root for him.
20:42 Plays hard, it's what you like to see.
20:44 And up in Maine, he's shooting the three as well.
20:47 So you know he can do that.
20:49 I'm curious to see how he's going to develop.
20:51 Summer league should be a lot of fun with him.
20:53 And even after the All-Star break,
20:55 I'm sure there's going to be spots
20:57 where it's a Jordan Walsh night, maybe.
20:59 - Definitely.
21:01 I mean, I think the Celtics drafted this guy for a reason.
21:03 I think they had their eye on him for a reason.
21:06 He's going to be a part of what they do.
21:08 Like as the CBA makes it more and more difficult
21:11 to build a roster and add quality pieces to a roster,
21:15 you need guys on small contracts
21:18 that are able to give you real minutes.
21:20 They signed him with the second round exception.
21:23 He's under contract for this year
21:25 and then three more after it, I believe.
21:27 Like he's going to be around if they can develop
21:29 into like even a low level three and D player
21:33 where he's playing 15 minutes a night, 20 minutes a night.
21:36 Like that's a win.
21:37 He's under contract through the 26, 27 season.
21:39 And that year he makes $2.4 million.
21:41 Like it's nothing.
21:42 So if he can shoot 36% from three,
21:45 play some tough defense,
21:46 like he'll get minutes on this team by then
21:48 because they probably won't be able to resign
21:50 some of the guys that they have on the roster right now.
21:53 So yeah, that's what I'm looking for for D Walsh
21:55 or J Walsh, I should say.
21:57 I was stuck between him and Derek White, but yeah.
22:00 - But D Walsh because he's going to make more
22:02 of his bones on defense,
22:03 as much as the development of his shot
22:05 matters for his ceiling.
22:07 It's about defense more than anything
22:09 being his path to playing time.
22:12 - 100%, 100%.
22:15 All right, well, we can go on to some all-star talk,
22:18 I suppose.
22:19 We got a bunch of events this weekend.
22:21 I think maybe two the Celtics actually care about
22:23 or the Celtics fans should actually care about,
22:26 but we can go over them all.
22:30 Dunk contest, I think we should start there,
22:32 obviously, for clear reasons.
22:35 We talked about it briefly last pod, I believe, Bobby.
22:39 Do you think Jalen Brown could win
22:41 or do you think it's just going to be,
22:42 yeah, Mack McClellan's going to clean up?
22:44 - I think Jalen Brown could win.
22:46 I think he's going to prove a lot of the doubters wrong.
22:51 I think that there's going to be some dunks in there,
22:53 especially when he involves props
22:55 or there will be one with Jason Tatum.
22:58 They've both talked publicly about that.
23:01 So they haven't officially announced that,
23:03 but they've let you know it's coming.
23:05 So be surprised if it doesn't at this point.
23:07 I think that there's going to be some dunks
23:10 that look a lot different than his in-game profile
23:13 in that regard.
23:14 And I look at the field, I'm not particularly impressed.
23:18 I know Jacob Toppin has some bunnies
23:20 and we'll see what he does.
23:21 I think Jaime Jaquez comes in last as much as I love him.
23:24 And I also look at something we talked about the other day,
23:27 and that is Mack McClellan needs this.
23:30 This is what he does and what he has going for him.
23:34 So I think that Mack McClellan
23:36 is going to successfully defend his crown,
23:39 but I wouldn't be surprised
23:41 and I'd even be willing to pick Jalen to come in second.
23:44 Although I wouldn't be surprised if in Vegas,
23:46 more bets are coming in on Jacob Toppin to do so.
23:49 Not that anyone bets on second in the dunk contest.
23:52 - Just put your house on Jacob Toppin.
23:56 - To get the silver.
23:57 - You're gonna go to mortgage.
23:58 I'm excited for Jalen.
23:59 I have been on the Jalen of the Dunk Contest train
24:02 ever since the announcement started to trickle out.
24:04 I think this has been something
24:06 he's been thinking about for a long time.
24:08 I just, I feel like he got himself ready.
24:10 Like I keep saying it, I think he worked out his material.
24:13 We've heard he has six dunks prepared
24:15 and he is absolutely ready to put on a show.
24:17 He has the athleticism for it.
24:20 He has the star power for it.
24:22 I'm sure he's gonna get his teammates involved.
24:24 I know we heard about Tatum,
24:26 probably gonna help him out
24:27 in some part of this dunk contest,
24:30 but I'll be rooting for him.
24:32 We haven't had a Celtic in the dunk contest for what?
24:35 15 years now?
24:37 No, 17 years.
24:38 I don't know how long it's been.
24:39 It's been a long time.
24:40 I'm excited to see Jalen in there.
24:43 I think he's gonna do better than a lot of people think.
24:47 I'm kind of surprised with the,
24:48 I don't know if Jalen's gonna do good.
24:49 I think he is.
24:50 I think he's a good dunker.
24:52 - I think he has a chance.
24:54 I just think, like Bobby said,
24:56 this is Mac McClung's full-time job at this point.
24:58 You need to win the dunk contest or you're a failure.
25:01 Like, this is what you do, brother.
25:03 Come on, get it cooking.
25:04 - That's all he's been doing for the last year
25:06 is just dunks.
25:06 - He does this thing.
25:07 Jeff Ross is the roast master.
25:09 It's the only time you see him.
25:10 The same applies to Mac McClung in the dunk contest.
25:12 - Who is even in the three-point contest?
25:15 I don't know if I know.
25:16 - Everybody that's doing it.
25:17 - I've got a clue.
25:18 - I've got a clue if you want.
25:19 - Malik Beasley, Jalen Brunson, Halliburton,
25:21 Lillard, Markkinen, Mitchell, Towns, Young.
25:23 That stinks.
25:25 - That's not fun at all.
25:27 I don't even care who wins.
25:29 Like, Malik Beasley got in
25:32 because he knows Chris Haynes and politics
25:34 and then everyone else is a superstar.
25:36 Like, what are we doing?
25:37 Like, that's lame.
25:38 I want it to be the best three-point shooters,
25:40 not, oh, look at the stars.
25:42 I don't care who wins.
25:43 As far as--
25:45 - Is Halsey the only person that you would want to add
25:47 or is there another name that comes to mind?
25:49 - I said this last year.
25:51 I think the three-point contest
25:52 should take the top eight three-point shooters
25:54 by percent in true qualify.
25:55 That is the three-point contest.
25:57 And if they don't want to do it, go next in the list.
25:59 It is the only, like, objective selection process
26:04 that you can have in the NBA.
26:06 Like, all-stars subjective, dunk contest subjective.
26:08 You literally have a list that tells you who the best are.
26:11 What are we doing?
26:11 Like, let me take a look here.
26:13 The three-point contest should be, let's see.
26:15 I can tell you my unbiased opinion
26:18 because there's a list in front of my face
26:19 that tells me exactly who should be
26:21 in the three-point contest.
26:22 The three-point contest based on people who are eligible
26:26 should be Grayson Allen, Luke Kinnard, Kawhi Leonard,
26:29 Norm Powell, Jalen Williams, Aaron Neesmith,
26:31 Malik Beasley, Kevin Durant.
26:32 That should be a three-point contest.
26:33 - I like that.
26:34 It's a nice blend.
26:35 - Objectively.
26:36 And when Kawhi and KD inevitably say no, ask Mike Conley.
26:39 And when somebody else has no, ask Sam Merrill,
26:41 who has been murdering in Cleveland this year.
26:44 When somebody says no, Drew Holiday.
26:46 Then ask Towns, then ask Walker.
26:47 Like, just go to the list.
26:49 It's not that hard, guys.
26:50 You have a list in front of you
26:52 of people who qualify.
26:53 If you want to add the asterisk of,
26:55 oh, at least five attempts, fine.
26:58 Then just do that.
27:00 It's so easy.
27:01 Just go down the list and find the best shooters
27:03 and ask them to be in the three-point contest.
27:04 It doesn't make sense to me
27:05 that that's not the process of asking these guys.
27:07 So, whatever.
27:09 - I co-sign that.
27:10 I will also, with that said,
27:12 predict that Larry Barkin then wins the three-point contest.
27:15 - Sure.
27:16 I can buy it, yeah.
27:17 I think it'll be him or Trey Young.
27:20 But we'll see who comes out on top.
27:22 - All right.
27:23 How did two bucks get in there?
27:24 They don't really have much else to play for.
27:27 - It's true.
27:28 This is true.
27:30 Lastly, the actual game.
27:31 East versus West again.
27:34 Tatum won All-Star Game MVP last year.
27:36 Who wins this year, Bobby?
27:38 - It's a great question.
27:41 It's all about who's the hungriest to get that award.
27:47 And once someone starts cooking,
27:50 then people will get out of the way in the third quarter
27:53 and then see what's unfolding in the fourth.
27:56 And so, if the game's not competitive
27:59 or if someone is just absolutely dominating,
28:03 those lend themselves to someone
28:04 getting the All-Star Game MVP.
28:07 So, I still wanna marinate on this.
28:10 I'm curious what you guys have as predictions.
28:13 'Cause to me, there's not a name that jumps out
28:16 where I say, "I'm putting my money,
28:17 "I'm going to the window, I'm putting some pizza money
28:20 "on this individual to win the All-Star Game MVP
28:23 "Sunday night."
28:24 - I think this is a great opportunity
28:27 for Halliburton to win it.
28:28 Home fans, home arena.
28:32 Gerald's saying that he thinks it's gonna be Tatum
28:36 'cause he's trying the hardest.
28:37 I think Halliburton's gonna try the hardest.
28:39 He's at home.
28:40 He has to represent the Pacers.
28:42 I think it's a really good opportunity for him to do that.
28:45 He has played really fun basketball this year.
28:47 He has the potential to be a big-time scorer.
28:50 He can set his teammates up in really fun ways.
28:53 I just think he's gonna put on a show
28:55 and people will respect him for it.
28:57 I'm not really sure the East has the best roster, though.
29:00 So, there could be a big time,
29:02 they're just not gonna win, so he can't win it.
29:05 West, I could see a chip on the shoulder,
29:08 Curry, coming off the bench.
29:10 Maybe he's shooting a bunch of threes, putting on a show.
29:13 I don't know.
29:14 Probably not Tatum again.
29:15 - No, I don't think Tatum again.
29:16 I think it'll be Shea or Luka.
29:18 I think one of those guys is gonna get a bunch of buckets
29:20 and then win.
29:22 I don't know who it'll be.
29:23 I don't know which one of them's gonna go off first,
29:25 but I think one of those two guys is gonna,
29:27 maybe not care about winning a lot,
29:30 but subconsciously, like, yeah, that'd be cool to win.
29:32 So, I think it'll be one of those two young guys.
29:34 - So, I'm so glad you said that
29:35 because I feel the most comfortable picking Shea.
29:39 Look, the reason we're not talking MVP today,
29:42 we did it on our last episode on Wednesday,
29:44 so you can go back and check that out.
29:45 We discussed where Tatum belongs in that conversation.
29:49 I, again, Shea is probably who I'd go with
29:52 for All-Star Game MVP.
29:53 So, if we're putting these down as official predictions,
29:55 that's who it is for me as well, SGA.
29:57 But I could see Devin Booker being the guy
30:00 that even though he's not starting,
30:02 he gets hot on Sunday night.
30:04 And I could also see Anthony Edwards taking over this game.
30:07 So, those are two people who might not be as high
30:10 in terms of the odds that Vegas gives them,
30:12 but I could see either one of them,
30:14 Devin Booker or Anthony Edwards,
30:16 coming away with the hardware.
30:19 - Yeah, I think any of those guys have a chance.
30:21 All right, let's catch up with the chat a little bit.
30:23 We've neglected you for most of the stream.
30:26 Antonio a while ago said,
30:28 "Do you think Tillman will be a sub of Horford in the future?
30:31 "In other words, do you think they can move
30:32 "preparing the end of the Horford era?"
30:34 I do think he has a chance to sort of replace
30:37 what Horford brings to the table.
30:38 I think they're very similar skill sets.
30:40 I don't think he's as good as Horford,
30:42 and I don't know if he will be,
30:43 but I do think you can see the vision for him
30:45 replacing him in the rotation eventually once he retires.
30:48 - Yeah, I totally agree.
30:50 I think that you can't expect to replace Al Horford
30:53 without someone on Al Horford's level.
30:55 And so, the big drop off is gonna come from beyond the arc.
30:58 But Xavier Tillman is a very good player.
31:01 He's on an expiring deal, but figures to be easy to retain,
31:05 and I would expect that to happen.
31:07 And so, I absolutely think that
31:09 that was part of the vision here,
31:10 that there was some long-term planning accomplished
31:13 at the deadline.
31:13 We talked about Springer and what he brings to the table
31:16 with his upside as a 21-year-old.
31:18 Xavier Tillman is 25,
31:20 and I expect him to be here for multiple seasons.
31:22 - I think there's a fair chance that he's able to
31:26 at least fill a little bit of what Horford does.
31:30 I don't know if the offensive skill set is there just yet,
31:32 but right now, I mean,
31:33 Horford's not being asked to do a whole lot.
31:34 He just has to make almost all the threes,
31:37 which is not good.
31:38 But he's not being asked to create any more.
31:40 He's just asked to be a catch, shoot, catch, finish player.
31:45 And it's not impossible to think Tillman could do that.
31:49 I'm interested to see if they start kind of looking
31:50 in the draft for their next Horford guy too,
31:53 because the draft is gonna become increasingly important
31:55 for the Celtics as we move on here,
31:57 because the CBA binds these teams that spend money,
32:00 and the Celtics are one of them.
32:01 I love to say it's not my money,
32:03 but the league doesn't care if it's my money or not,
32:06 'cause they're gonna make them not be able to make trades,
32:09 not be able to have their first round pick
32:12 be where it should be.
32:13 It's probably gonna fall the last in the round
32:15 a lot of these years if they spend too much.
32:17 There's so many restrictions that come along
32:19 with building a good team.
32:21 Luckily for the Celtics,
32:22 they've done it in a way
32:22 where they can legally keep guys around.
32:25 They don't have to pay them.
32:26 Tillman, they do have the bird rights.
32:28 So it isn't crazy to think they'll at least investigate
32:31 whether he can take on a larger role
32:34 in the sense where he could be Al Horford in the future.
32:37 I'm just curious if it comes to the draft.
32:39 I think that's a realistic option too,
32:41 but I'm excited to see what we get
32:42 from Tillman at the very least.
32:44 - Definitely.
32:46 The only other question I think I see in the chat
32:48 is about the 15th roster spot.
32:50 Somebody asked, "Do we still have a roster spot open?"
32:54 Yes, the Celtics still have a roster spot open,
32:56 and then somebody else asked about
32:59 who they should sign, buyout people,
33:01 who they could get in the buyout market.
33:04 Danilo Gallinari signed with the Bucs.
33:06 Sam and I recorded a video about him as a buyout target,
33:08 and then we had to scrap it
33:09 because he signed with the Bucs 20 minutes later.
33:11 - Unreleased.
33:13 - And then outside of that,
33:15 I just, I don't know who's like be worth it.
33:17 Like Daniel House, like if PJ Tucker gets bought out,
33:20 but I don't really want that attitude now anymore.
33:23 Like, I don't think-
33:24 - Sam, give the guy from the basement a shot.
33:26 - I don't think it matters as much at this point.
33:31 Bobby, is there anybody you have an eye on
33:32 or think would be worth it or matters at all?
33:35 - So I asked Brad Stevens about the possibility
33:37 when we spoke to him the day after the deadline
33:39 about converting Keita, and he said,
33:43 look, he's a very good poker player
33:44 and he has to be diplomatic in that situation.
33:47 So he said that we're evaluating all options
33:49 and they've been very impressed by Nimi's development,
33:53 which is true, but you also,
33:55 you look at his remaining eligibility
33:57 and how it takes them through the regular season,
33:59 and I don't think they're going to end up
34:02 converting his contract would be my prediction.
34:05 And when it comes to options,
34:06 I wrote about them for si.com
34:09 and look, none of them are that sexy.
34:11 Historically, buyout players typically don't move the needle
34:14 come playoff time, but I do look at going in the direction
34:19 of someone like Otto Porter, who's won a title,
34:22 who played against the Celtics in the finals
34:25 and has some knowledge that could be beneficial.
34:27 And it's just a savvy, well-respected veteran.
34:30 So less about what he can do on the court
34:32 and more about being another coach of sorts.
34:34 They could also bring back Blake Griffin,
34:36 who has not said that, hey, I'm walking away from the game
34:40 for both the vibes and the chemistry and the camaraderie.
34:44 And for a lot of that stuff I just mentioned
34:46 with Otto Porter, and then maybe they decide
34:48 they want a direction like Perkon Korkmaz, for example,
34:51 another shooter.
34:52 And if there's some concern about the ability
34:54 to retain Sam Hauser long-term,
34:57 maybe you get someone like Korkmaz in the system
34:59 and you see what happens.
35:00 - Yeah, I think you made a great point about the,
35:04 you're gonna get more value in whatever leadership/mentality
35:08 that they bring to the table,
35:09 rather than somebody actually giving you real minutes.
35:11 'Cause it's just not gonna happen on this team.
35:13 Jack and I have went to all ends of the earth
35:15 to find somebody that can knock any of the rotation guys
35:18 out of the rotation.
35:19 Spoiler alert, there's like nobody out there
35:22 that's gonna do that.
35:23 It's just not gonna happen.
35:24 Everybody's fitting so well together.
35:26 There's no need to shake up what you already have.
35:30 Blake Griffin is the best option.
35:31 It's just a question of whether he wants
35:33 to actually play basketball and travel
35:36 and be away from his family again.
35:37 And it seems like that answer is no.
35:40 I'm not sure if there's anybody else out there
35:42 that's going to be really worth bringing in.
35:44 Isaiah Thomas is probably not going to happen.
35:48 Kemba Walker's playing in Monaco.
35:49 Just thinking of guys that might wanna come back
35:51 and join the Celtics for a title run.
35:54 It's tough to imagine that they get there with any of that.
35:57 - Yeah, it doesn't seem likely.
36:00 But anyways, Bergen, yeah, we did see Lamar in Memphis
36:04 on fire, don't worry, we got a video cooking,
36:06 I think probably tomorrow.
36:07 You'll see something about that on the channel.
36:09 Coffey, any final thoughts before we get to trivia?
36:13 - No, Lamar's been awesome.
36:14 And even Banton is playing well in Portland.
36:16 So shout out to the two of them for doing well
36:18 with the opportunity they've been given elsewhere.
36:22 - Yes, sir.
36:22 All right, well, in that case, let's get to trivia.
36:24 The chat's been waiting for it
36:25 since the very start of the stream.
36:28 I think someone popped in here and said,
36:29 I'm just waiting for trivia.
36:30 Yeah, so the fans want it.
36:33 Time to give the fans what they want.
36:35 One, one series here.
36:36 One, one series here.
36:39 Sam, Bobby, turn off the chat.
36:40 Make sure you can't see it.
36:43 So I will be checking in as we go.
36:45 Okay, question.
36:47 And who won the last one?
36:48 Sam won the last one.
36:50 So Sam will go first.
36:51 One, zero lead.
36:52 One series win apiece.
36:55 - Through 2021, seven different players
36:58 have scored 45 or more points for the Celtics
37:00 in a playoff game.
37:01 Who are those seven players?
37:03 I'll read it again for the chat
37:03 and I'll type it in the chat.
37:05 Through 2021, seven different players have scored 45
37:11 or more points for the Celtics in a playoff games.
37:14 Who are those seven players?
37:15 - Isaiah.
37:17 - Correct.
37:19 - Isaiah Thomas.
37:21 Bobby.
37:21 - Tatum.
37:22 - Correct.
37:24 All right.
37:27 Sam, are we gonna rapid fire here for a sec?
37:29 You got another one?
37:30 - Ray Allen.
37:31 I was just letting you catch up.
37:32 - Thank you.
37:33 Correct.
37:34 Bobby.
37:35 - Larry Bird.
37:36 - No.
37:38 - Oh.
37:39 - Oh, it's always a crap shoot.
37:41 (laughing)
37:43 I'm gonna guess Tommy.
37:45 - He did.
37:46 - No, he didn't.
37:47 - No, he didn't.
37:48 - He did.
37:49 - No.
37:50 - Really?
37:51 - Whoa!
37:51 - I thought he did and he was on my list.
37:54 - Oh, man, that sucks.
37:57 - John Havlicek.
38:00 - Yeah.
38:02 - I was torn, but I was like, let me go get Tommy.
38:05 - I thought Heinsen did too.
38:06 - Oh, it's a catastrophe.
38:08 We have what, three left?
38:10 - Yeah.
38:12 - Oh, that's terrible.
38:17 45 or more.
38:19 There's one guy that I know was close, but didn't do it.
38:22 Oh, man.
38:24 Did Sam Jones do it?
38:30 - Yes, he did.
38:31 - You know, I got him.
38:33 I was doing well with the Sam Jones guess in the beginning,
38:35 but for a while, the answer has been no
38:37 when I throw him out there.
38:38 - Bobby got punked off of Sam Jones.
38:41 - No, Birkin, that's not correct.
38:42 You're missing two more still, everybody.
38:47 - I don't remember this individual doing it,
38:49 but Paul Pierce?
38:52 - Yeah, he did it.
38:53 - Oh, he did it.
38:54 I held off.
38:57 He did it against Philly.
38:59 I know it doesn't say on the card,
39:01 but he did it against Philly way back early in his career.
39:04 Damn.
39:05 - Oh, one left on the list for the win.
39:09 Picked an odd number too, so we're cooking here.
39:12 - I hate this.
39:12 This is a catastrophe.
39:14 I have two or three guys in mind
39:16 that I'm just not sure about.
39:18 45 or more.
39:19 - It's not him, Birkin.
39:24 The chat's guessing along,
39:25 so I'm answering for them as we go.
39:27 - I'm gonna guess Bill Russell.
39:38 - Not Bill.
39:40 - Bob Cousy.
39:43 - Yeah.
39:44 - Let's go.
39:45 - Bob Cousy scored.
39:46 - Michael Hill, that was for you.
39:48 - I almost wanted to,
39:49 as an NFL coin toss,
39:53 and I just wanted to defer.
39:55 - Could've done what the Niners didn't.
40:00 - Bob Cousy scored 50 points in a playoff game.
40:05 - Ron DeWitt, 44.
40:06 - Chris Ford?
40:09 What kind of guess is that?
40:10 - It's not Chris Ford.
40:11 - Just reopen the chat.
40:14 - Did Chris Ford have a monster playoff game?
40:16 Like 40?
40:17 - Chris Ford, no.
40:19 He scored--
40:20 - He was the first guy to make a three in the NBA,
40:21 I believe.
40:23 - I think so.
40:23 I think that was part of our trivia.
40:24 - I was also, I wasn't gonna guess him,
40:27 but I was wondering how close McHale got.
40:29 - It's never McHale.
40:31 The answer is never McHale.
40:32 That's what we've learned.
40:35 - McHale had 34.
40:37 - Yeah, so.
40:37 I mean, 11's not bad,
40:38 but I knew he wasn't on the list.
40:41 I was just curious.
40:43 - Other players who got close.
40:44 Ronda did have 44.
40:46 Larry had 43, was his cap.
40:48 Isaiah had 42.
40:50 Lewis, 42.
40:52 And yeah.
40:54 - That's so impressive that Reggie Lewis
40:55 in such a short time nearly did this.
40:58 - Who'd Jaylen have 40 against?
40:59 I don't remember that game.
41:03 Was it recent?
41:05 - In the playoffs?
41:06 - Miami.
41:07 - He had 40 against him.
41:10 - Yeah.
41:11 - 2022.
41:12 - Was that the one when everyone made everything?
41:16 They just smoked them?
41:16 - Perhaps.
41:17 It was one on one.
41:19 - He had maybe my favorite away play ever, the dunk.
41:22 - Miami won the game.
41:23 It's the one where Miami murdered them in the first quarter.
41:26 39 to 18, game three.
41:28 - Oh really?
41:29 He had 40?
41:30 Mickey knows 40 doesn't count.
41:32 - I can't see the box score,
41:35 but yeah, he had 40 in the game.
41:36 Anyways, Bobby up 2-1 in the trivia series.
41:40 - It's 1-1.
41:41 - It's 1-1 in series and in games within this set.
41:45 - Yeah, I see.
41:46 I see, I see.
41:47 Don't yell at me.
41:48 - Trying to body me, it's not fun.
41:51 - Trying to move you at the paint.
41:52 - All right.
41:53 Bobby, any final thoughts?
41:56 - Yeah, it feels good to get back in the win column.
41:59 It is 1-1 in terms of sets.
42:02 And we're trying to have another parade over here.
42:05 Fibes were electric that day.
42:07 So hopefully we can keep this momentum rolling.
42:10 - Yes, sir.
42:11 All right, chat and everybody watching this video,
42:13 make sure to check out Bobby's work
42:15 at si.com/Celtics inside the Celtics there.
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43:46 (crowd cheering)
43:49 - Check Taco, come on.
43:52 - Taco's having some fun here.
43:55 - Yeah, he's bogus.
43:58 These guys are ridiculous.
44:04 These guys are ridiculous.
44:06 Killers!
44:08 (upbeat music)