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In this exclusive Outlook interview, Champai Soren, the newly-appointed Chief Minister of Jharkhand, discusses the Union government's attempts to undermine the Jharkhand Mukti Morcha (JMM) due to its Adivasi leadership. Soren sheds light on historical Adivasi suppression and highlights the community's resilience in the face of adversity. Explore insights into Adivasi rights, cultural heritage, and contemporary challenges.

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00:00 One of the biggest achievements of the Hemanswaran government, Jharkhand Mukti Mochi government
00:07 is the Sarna Code Bill.
00:11 The census is scheduled to be held in 2025.
00:15 The Jharkhand government still has the Sarna Code Bill with the Governor.
00:21 What are your views on this?
00:23 India is a multi-ethnic nation.
00:35 And there are many tribes within this nation.
00:40 We are a different kind of tribal. We believe in the nature.
00:56 We worship the nature.
01:02 That is why we have a different identity.
01:12 And our identity as a tribal is different.
01:18 The year 1617 was a very fresh year for us. The year when Tilga Maaji was killed by the British.
01:34 It was 1755.
01:38 Our history is very old.
01:44 And our struggle, our ancestors' struggle, is not written in the accounts.
02:03 We have to protect our water, forest, land, our language, our religion, our tradition.
02:18 When we do something for ourselves, who is there to give us orders?
02:24 We make our own fields, we cultivate our own crops.
02:34 We grow grains, we grow vegetables.
02:39 And we move forward with our society.
02:49 This is a long history.
02:54 Whenever a tribal has the capacity to lead, they try to do something about it.
03:04 They try to bring it under the law and try to end it.
03:10 In every decade, you will find the leadership of our tribal in the form of history.
03:22 When they start doing the right leadership, then somehow,
03:31 they try to bring that leadership under the law and try to end it.
03:40 The party that we have formed, Dishyamguru Shiv Swaranya,
03:50 we fought against the Mahajan.
03:56 We fought for a long time, for lakhs of acres of land.
04:05 We fought against the Mahajan.
04:09 The tribal leadership has never been in the wrong.
04:16 They try to bring it under the law and try to weaken it.
04:23 The only example of this is Hemashwaran.
04:28 He is from the same family that separated Jharkhand and fought against the Mahajan.
04:36 The tribal has been forced to give up their land.
04:44 And the tribals are getting the bad name.
04:48 The tribal has never interfered in any way.
04:53 - So, what is happening is the same as what happened with Hemashwaran?
04:57 - I am telling you without any excuse.
05:01 The tribal has the land.
05:08 25 lakhs of people have been divided.
05:12 How did this happen? It is a scintillation.
05:15 The tribal has no land.
05:18 The tribal has no land.
05:21 - So, what do you think is the reason why the Sarna court has not taken any steps yet?
05:29 The central government has not taken any steps yet.
05:32 Hemashwaran has repeatedly asked to keep it in the 9th schedule.
05:36 - So, what will we say? Is it new with the tribal?
05:40 Tell us.
05:43 - If we look at Hemashwaran in the last 4-5 years, he has been very open about the BJP.
05:51 And the 3-4 big decisions that he took,
05:54 there was the Sarna Dharam Court, the 1932 Constitution,
05:59 and the OBC Reservation Bill, which was increased.
06:03 After that, we are seeing such a picture of Hemashwaran on a national level.
06:09 - What I am trying to say is that a true leader has been born.
06:15 - That the national leaders are standing up for the tribals.
06:18 - When the true leaders started doing it,
06:23 the central government opened its eyes and nose.
06:30 In 1932, the Sarna Dharam Court increased the OBC by 87%.
06:40 They increased the STAC by 1-2%.
06:50 - They stopped the extension of the Neta Heart Field firing range.
06:55 - They took away the planning area of the Neta Heart Firing Range.
07:00 - They took away the land of the tribals.
07:04 - That's why the central government opened its eyes and nose.
07:12 - That's why the central agency came here.
07:21 - At this point, when Hemanswaran was trying to unite the tribals,
07:28 some other tribal leaders were trying to divide the tribals.
07:36 - All this is happening from there.
07:40 Divide the tribals.
07:43 - We have said that all the procedures and regulations are in place here.
07:53 - The law on human life is being implemented here.
07:59 - It has become a practical law.
08:08 - But the tribals will not stop.
08:13 - History has shown that the tribals never let their tradition be destroyed.
08:28 - The tribals are not going to let their tradition be destroyed.
08:43 - They are saying that after the tribal people have joined another religion,
08:51 their tribalism is being destroyed.
08:54 - They are going away from the tradition.
08:56 - There is no such thing.
08:58 - You don't believe in such a thing.
09:01 - What is your opinion about delisting?
09:05 - All this is a plan of the BJP and RSS sitting in the centre.
09:17 - Let's come to the next place.
09:22 - If they are so concerned, why are they not giving us the Sarnath Dharamkot?
09:29 - If the BJP has given us six columns and removed the small ones,
09:34 - where will we write?
09:43 - Where will we write the Sarnath Dharamkot?
09:47 - You have removed the small ones.
09:50 - What will we understand?
09:52 - Are we conspiring or not?
09:54 - The BJP government sitting in the centre.
09:57 - There is no but or but in this.
10:01 - And for that too the tribals will fight.
10:07 - They have thought that they can keep the leadership for a few days in the Kanwaran Sikandar.
10:19 - But they will not keep the leadership.
10:21 - Not for the sake of equality.
10:23 - They will not keep the leadership.
10:29 - When we have such a long history,
10:33 - still they have not kept our voice.
10:35 - Where did we come from?
10:37 - We were just a few.
10:39 - And there is a big picture of Himanshwar.
10:43 - Is this a message to the tribals?
10:45 - Definitely, in which way have you done this?
10:51 - The money has been made,
10:55 - but the implementation is still left.
10:58 - You have done the work of establishing the government.
11:05 - Oh, okay.
11:07 - The BJP people.
11:09 - In these 4 years, 2 years,
11:12 - the country has not improved at all.
11:16 - But the BJP people say that they have not done anything in these 4 years.
11:20 - The government of the double engine,
11:25 - in this state,
11:26 - has not even installed a ventilator in a hospital.
11:29 - The government of the double engine,
11:33 - has not even installed a ventilator in a hospital.
11:36 - The BJP.
11:38 - What do they pray for?
11:41 - They pray for development.
11:43 - They are changing our history.
11:47 - This is the BJP.
11:50 - It is a very big thing.
11:55 - Is this the reason,
11:57 - when you made the final rule of TSE in 2021,
12:02 - is this the reason,
12:04 - because of the intervention of the central government,
12:06 - you have cut the powers of the governor?
12:10 - Yes, they have cut the powers.
12:12 - They have made it to work.
12:14 - They have made it for 36 years.
12:21 - Their government was also made like that.
12:24 - Yes, they made it the same way.
12:26 - So why is it happening here?
12:28 - It is very difficult.
12:31 - If they have made it, then it is fine.
12:33 - We are on the same path.
12:35 - We are wrong.
12:36 - But what is this?
12:38 - There is a question.
12:43 - When the voice of Hemant Soren was heard,
12:48 - that the tribal people of the country should unite,
12:51 - and that voice was heard in the assemblies,
12:54 - in the programs and in every decision,
12:58 - it was believed that Hemant Soren
13:00 - would unite the tribal people of the country.
13:02 - But the result of these four states,
13:05 - Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan,
13:08 - shows that despite all the protests,
13:12 - and the voice of the people,
13:15 - a majority of the tribal people
13:19 - are on the side of the BJP.
13:21 - So, in this case,
13:23 - the tribal people of the country should unite.
13:25 - It will remain for a while.
13:28 - Elections will keep coming.
13:30 - It will remain for a while.
13:32 - Because the tribal people
13:35 - have been exploited financially.
13:39 - They have never become big businessmen.
13:43 - They have been kept away from the education.
13:48 - But now they understand everything.
13:56 - They understand how much they have been exploited.
14:03 - The BJP has not let them go.
14:07 - But the tribal people are still going with the BJP.
14:11 - They will go with a shirt on.
14:15 - After that, everything will be the same.
14:17 - In the 2024 elections,
14:19 - which faces will you bring forward
14:22 - in Jharkhand for the Lok Sabha elections?
14:25 - We have a strong bond with the BJP.
14:27 - Even if we are inside the jail,
14:29 - we will remain there.
14:31 - We have a strong bond with the BJP.
14:33 - Even if we are inside the jail,
14:35 - we will remain there.
14:37 - Even if we are inside the jail,
14:39 - we will remain there.
14:41 - We will fight in the streets.
14:43 - We will fight in the streets.
14:45 - We will fight in the streets.
14:47 - We will fight in the streets.
14:49 - We will fight in the streets.
14:51 - We will fight in the streets.
14:53 - The central government has done this.
14:55 - The central government.
14:57 - By marketing.
14:59 - Sir, whenever the Bidhan Sabha elections are held...
15:01 - Sir, whenever the Bidhan Sabha elections are held...
15:03 - We say that by marketing,
15:05 - they have not let their own people go.
15:07 - We say that by marketing,
15:09 - they have not let their own people go.
15:11 - We have to abuse the Gandhi family
15:13 - from Nehru to the present.
15:15 - We have to abuse the Gandhi family
15:17 - from Nehru to the present.
15:19 - From here,
15:21 - the Mahagadvandan will bring 14 seats.
15:23 - the Mahagadvandan will bring 14 seats.
15:25 - Last time,
15:27 - we saw that in the Bidhan Sabha,
15:29 - the Gadvandan is getting a good result.
15:31 - Whenever the national elections are held,
15:33 - Whenever the national elections are held,
15:35 - Lok Sabha elections are held,
15:37 - but my question was,
15:39 - in the Bidhan Sabha and Lok Sabha,
15:41 - the tribal people are voting
15:43 - in different places.
15:45 - When Jammu and Mughal are being supported in the Bidhan Sabha,
15:47 - in the Lok Sabha,
15:49 - the political leaders
15:51 - are being supported in different places.
15:53 - But the tribal people
15:55 - are being supported in the Bidhan Sabha.
15:57 - The political leaders
15:59 - are being supported in the Bidhan Sabha.
16:01 - We are getting to know
16:03 - the character of the people.
16:05 - We are getting to know
16:07 - the character of the people.
16:09 - The people are very strong.
16:11 - Last one thing,
16:13 - the government
16:15 - is continuously
16:17 - is continuously
16:19 - making a difference
16:21 - in the government.
16:23 - There is a conflict.
16:25 - After becoming the Chief Minister,
16:27 - have you tried to solve this?
16:29 - We have been trying to solve this
16:31 - since the beginning.
16:33 - Our relationship with the Governor
16:35 - is like the Governor is the opposition.
16:37 - The Governor is the opposition.
16:39 - More than the BJP, the Governor is being opposed.
16:41 - What did we say?
16:43 - We said before
16:45 - that the agency was created
16:47 - for the benefit of the people.
16:49 - It is good to be independent.
16:51 - It is good to be independent.
16:53 - It is good to be independent.
16:55 - But if you are
16:57 - trying to create a difference,
16:59 - then you are a clean cheat.
17:01 - You are a clean cheat.
17:03 - If you stay here,
17:05 - you will be...
17:07 - Like BJP washing machine.
17:09 - Like BJP washing machine.
17:11 - Then the question will arise.
17:13 - Will it arise or not?
17:15 - That is why you raise your question on the Governor.
17:17 - Sometimes,
17:19 - we are forced to speak like this.
17:21 - We have no allies.
17:23 - For the Adivasi,
17:25 - the Prime Minister is bringing
17:27 - a project worth Rs. 24,000 crores
17:29 - for the PVTG group.
17:31 - The most concerned about the Adivasi
17:33 - is the BJP.
17:35 - The election has come, so I said it.
17:37 - And the court said...
17:39 - First, give us the Sanatana Dharam Court.
17:41 - It is not about the cost.
17:43 - It is about the value.
17:45 - You have been the CM for a year.
17:51 - What is your priority
17:53 - in this one year?
17:55 - What are the challenges?
17:57 - Look, Mr. Hemant has made
17:59 - a very good plan.
18:01 - We have to increase it.
18:03 - That is the priority.
18:05 - Why will we change?
18:07 - We have to keep the Sanatana Dharam Court.
18:09 - We have to keep the Sanatana Dharam Court.
18:11 - We have to keep the 1932
18:13 - and the 87% office arrangement.
18:15 - We have to clear all these things
18:19 - in one year.
18:21 - We have to take this to Delhi.
18:23 - We have to take this to Delhi.

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