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Guests:
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- Ali Ahsan (Pasha)

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Transcript
00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Meeman, IQtops stories.
00:17 Without any special sessions, the National Assembly was held, the oath was taken and
00:22 all the assemblies were completed.
00:24 But the uncertainty regarding the special sessions is still lingering.
00:28 We will talk about this in the first segment.
00:30 The freelance workers are not getting any work.
00:33 Their employment is being affected.
00:35 Their income is being affected.
00:37 But the government is not listening to them.
00:39 We will talk about this in the second segment of the program.
00:41 In the case of Tauhin court, Justice Babar Sattar has given a big decision.
00:45 Of course, this will be a challenge.
00:47 How much implementation will be there?
00:49 All these questions are for later.
00:51 But at least a clear message is being given from the court that they are moving towards
00:55 a decision that will not be acceptable in a year and a half.
01:01 Let's start.
01:02 All the provincial assemblies have been completed.
01:05 Punjab, Sindh, Khwaiber Pakhtunkhwa and a little while ago Balochistan too.
01:10 The oath was also taken in these assemblies.
01:12 The High Minister was also elected.
01:14 The National Assembly was held today.
01:16 After that, most probably, the Prime Minister of Pakistan, who will be more likely to be
01:21 Shabaz Sharif will also be elected.
01:24 But the unique situation of the specific assemblies is still lingering.
01:30 And this is a very legal issue.
01:34 People are also arguing about it in the law.
01:36 But is the problem only legal or can it also become a political headache?
01:41 Because now the election of the Senate has to take place.
01:43 The election of the President of Pakistan has to take place.
01:45 We are moving towards this crisis, the crisis, the crisis.
01:49 The matter will move further.
01:51 We will talk about this at the beginning of the program.
01:53 The tone of today's National Assembly meeting was set from the point that the specific
01:58 sessions should be decided.
02:00 Mr. Gauhar Khan also told the speaker in the speech that since you are the speaker of the
02:04 whole of Iwan, you should be more worried than us whether Iwan is complete or not.
02:09 Student of the house, you don't belong to the party, you belong to this house.
02:14 The point we are taking up, you should be taking up yourself and we will be assisting you.
02:19 Article 51 mandates that the house has to be in full, including the member reserves for
02:25 women and non-Muslims.
02:27 Before that, the house is incomplete.
02:30 So has it ever happened before that the proceedings of Iwan have been cancelled because Iwan was
02:37 not complete?
02:38 Now that Mr. Gauhar has come, he has brought all his legal and all the people.
02:42 He gave the example of Ireland that the election was postponed for a month because Iwan was
02:47 not complete.
02:48 When the Supreme Court gave the decision in your case and stopped the election because
02:53 there was a shortage of 25 members in the assembly at that time, now there is a shortage of 23
02:58 members in your house.
03:00 In Northern Ireland, the speaker's election was delayed for more than a month.
03:05 Because the constitution did not say that exactly the next day you have to hold the
03:09 election.
03:10 The house must be complete before you would proceed.
03:13 In Congress, the speaker's election was held 18 times.
03:16 18 times.
03:17 Why?
03:18 Because they could not get the consensus on a candidate.
03:21 It's a constitutional issue.
03:23 So the issue is constitutional, legal, and the issue is that the speaker did not pay much
03:30 attention to this logic.
03:31 He did not entertain this argument further with regard to the specific seats.
03:37 The situation is that the four major political parties, three of which are the former ministers
03:43 of law, are now giving arguments in the election commission that these seats should not be given
03:49 to Tehreek-e-Insaf, that is, Tehreek-e-Insaf/Sunni Tehreek, but these seats should be given to
03:53 them.
03:54 We will tell you which are the arguments and what arguments they are giving.
03:58 First of all, Farooq H. Naik, who belongs to the People's Party, is a former minister
04:02 of law.
04:03 He says that the Sunni Tehrad Council has not submitted a preferential list.
04:07 After the date of submitting the political party papers, the list was not even amended.
04:12 The election commission cannot request a new list from the Sunni Tehrad Council at this
04:17 time.
04:18 So the People's Party is also arguing against giving these special seats to Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:23 Muslim League Noon, his lawyer, Azam Nazeer Tadir, again, a former law minister has put him
04:29 in the field.
04:30 What does he say?
04:31 He says that such a community from which he did not participate in the election, can free
04:35 voters join it?
04:36 For the claim of a special seat, it is necessary to win a few seats for the political community.
04:42 If you participate in the election, get some seats, then free voters can be increased.
04:48 So PMLN has also put its law minister in the field in this regard.
04:52 Farooq Naseem is a lawyer of MQMK at the moment.
04:55 He has also been a former law minister, Masha Allah.
04:58 What is he arguing?
04:59 He says that in the eyes of the law, the Sunni Tehrad Council is not a parliamentary community.
05:04 These special seats that have been stopped, should be given to MQMK as per quota.
05:08 The Sunni Tehrad Council fought the general election, did not prefer to gather in Paris.
05:13 The leaders of the Sunni Tehrad Council fought the election in a free state.
05:17 The election commission should decide according to the law.
05:20 What is the argument of the JUI?
05:22 Kamran Murtaza says that since the Sunni Tehrad Council has not given any list, the list
05:27 cannot be collected.
05:28 Now these seats can be distributed among those parties who have given the list.
05:33 Obviously, the Judiciary is contesting this whole matter.
05:37 Ali Zafar is giving arguments from there and he says that the community you registered and
05:42 gave a mark to is a political community.
05:44 In the list of the election commission, the Sunni Tehrad Council is a registered community.
05:48 If you get a mark, then under the Election Act, that community can fight the election.
05:52 The Sunni Tehrad Council is a political community, which got a mark.
05:56 According to Article 17, every citizen has the right to make a political community and
06:02 to be a part of it.
06:05 So the situation is that the three groups of communities have the right to sit.
06:11 The Sunni Tehrad Council should not be given the list, but they should be given.
06:15 Now this is a very unique position because before this, it was the prerogative of the
06:19 election commission.
06:20 Even after a year of collecting the lists of the Balochistan Awami Party, when a new
06:26 party was formed, they were given free seats.
06:30 The women's seats were given to them.
06:34 So the legal experts think that this is the prerogative of the Election Commission of
06:38 Pakistan.
06:39 The second important thing today was the statement of Speaker Ayaz Sadiq.
06:44 It was very important because he was trying to take everyone from mutual understanding
06:48 to mutual understanding.
06:50 And he also invited the Tehreek-e-Insaf.
06:54 I wish and try to build a national consensus with your cooperation.
07:00 We should be each other's shield.
07:02 We should feel each other.
07:05 We should create this national consensus.
07:07 We should tolerate each other's words.
07:09 We should have the courage to listen to each other.
07:11 And instead of personal criticism, we should do what is intended by Pakistan.
07:15 I also wish that instead of politicizing the country on issues, we should have the wisdom
07:21 of mutual understanding and mutual wisdom to solve these issues.
07:26 It is a very good wish, how will mutual understanding and wisdom be formed?
07:30 The mutual wisdom that we have seen so far is that how not to give these seats to a political
07:35 party.
07:36 So how will the consensus be?
07:37 The consensus will be like this, Speaker, that all these assemblies, whether they are
07:41 national or provincial, the chairmanship of the Public Account Committee should be given
07:46 to the opposition.
07:47 The consensus will be like this.
07:49 The consensus will be like this, that a breathing space should be created in all these assemblies
07:54 for the opposition, so that their voters and their supporters, their pressure should be
07:59 reduced and they can also move forward for mutual understanding.
08:02 So if this consensus has to be created, it will not be like this, but there will be some
08:06 actionable steps for it.
08:07 And it is always the responsibility of the governments, like in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, this
08:11 will be the initiative of Tehrik-e-Insaf that they have to take the opponents there.
08:15 In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the initiative will be of the other parties.
08:18 In whichever province, whichever majority, this initiative will be theirs.
08:21 So the consensus will not only be through such a invitation, but it will also be through
08:25 actionable steps.
08:26 If all the parties say at this time that these seats should not be given to Tehrik-e-Insaf
08:30 and we should be distributed, then there is no way forward towards consensus.
08:35 In the first segment of the program, Senator Kamran Mutsa is with us.
08:38 Thank you very much, Jameetul Maheslam.
08:40 Thank you very much, Senator.
08:41 The situation at the moment is that Tehrik-e-Insaf has also got its inter-party election done.
08:45 Now it will be announced on 3rd.
08:47 After that, do you think that they will have the legal opportunity to claim these seats?
08:52 Because I know your plea, you said that the Sunni Tehreek-e-Itaad Council cannot get it.
08:56 But now that they have got their election done, will there be legal scope for them?
09:00 I will give you an example for this.
09:04 First, listen to one thing for clarity that we ourselves are not with the Election Commission
09:10 and we have not gone to them for these seats.
09:12 We were sent by the Election Commission as a parliamentary party notice-booters
09:16 and we gave legal assistance in response to that.
09:19 Now when you give legal assistance, listen to an easy answer.
09:23 Suppose there is an election in Istanbul and there is a final date in the election,
09:30 it is time-bounded, a date has been set in it that you have to file a paper by 1st March.
09:37 I come and file a paper on 1st March and no one else does that.
09:43 Only one person has proposed me and the other has seconded me.
09:48 It is possible that I do not have any connection with Istanbul,
09:51 but two people from Istanbul have proposed me and seconded me and no one has filed a paper.
09:56 Can someone come and say that on 2nd March, when this date will pass,
10:01 Mr. Aminat has become unopposed and no one has filed a paper on 1st March,
10:07 so he has become unopposed.
10:08 So, can he be removed from the election?
10:11 Is it possible?
10:13 Although I did not get a single vote.
10:15 One citizen of Istanbul proposed me and the other seconded me.
10:19 I do not know if they would come to vote or not.
10:21 So, the question is that when a path has been set by the law and it is time-bounded,
10:27 two or three things should have been considered together.
10:31 This is not a question of greed,
10:34 this is not a question of stealing.
10:38 This is a legal proposition.
10:40 There are three provisions of the constitution,
10:42 Article 51, Article 106 and Article 224.
10:47 Keep these three provisions in mind and keep two provisions in mind.
10:53 There is Article 104 of the Election Act,
10:57 which is a method and a time cut-off date has been given.
11:03 And along with this, there is a rule-making.
11:05 Mr. Kamran, your argument is based on this only.
11:08 Because when the Balochistan party was formed,
11:10 his wife got the seat, the election was held in 2018 and it started in 2019.
11:14 I will give the same answer.
11:16 I will give the same answer.
11:18 If someone commits a crime and gets released after that,
11:23 and if he is not caught or if he does something wrong,
11:26 does the other person get permission to do that wrong?
11:30 When someone calls me to give legal assistance,
11:33 I will share my understanding about the law in that forum.
11:38 So, I have come and shared it.
11:40 If someone has done something wrong in the past,
11:42 I have nothing to do with it,
11:44 if someone has not challenged,
11:46 I have nothing to do with it.
11:48 I have only this much connection that I was asked for legal assistance as a party,
11:53 and I have to go and give the right legal assistance there or wrong legal assistance.
11:57 Sir, this is only legal, not a constitutional issue.
12:01 Because after this, there will be an election of the President of Pakistan,
12:06 after that, the current number game of the Senate election,
12:09 a community can have an impact on the number of the Senate election,
12:13 and its inclusion in the political system can have an impact on it.
12:16 So, this is not a political and constitutional issue?
12:18 No, it is like this, this issue has been reserved,
12:23 and in a day or two, a decision will be made on it.
12:26 Suppose, this decision is against our arguments,
12:31 then a party, the claimant of this, will get all these seats.
12:37 And suppose, it is not in their favor,
12:39 then the other parties, who have given their list according to the cut-off date of the schedule,
12:47 and after exhausting that list,
12:49 they further keep the extension in it according to the law,
12:53 if they get it, then this House will be completed.
12:56 Sir, the House will be completed, but Mr. Kamran,
12:58 from the optics, it seems that the seats that you have to get according to the mandate of a political party,
13:08 the seats of that mandate will be given to the other parties,
13:11 and the minorities and women who belong to that community,
13:15 they do not have a place in the House.
13:17 So, a certain party will not have the representation of minorities and women,
13:20 but the other parties will have the representation of minorities and women.
13:24 Sir, how does this look politically?
13:26 Then I could not explain my point to you.
13:30 I am telling you that this thing was time-bounded.
13:34 If I do not get a single vote in Islamabad,
13:40 only one proposer and one seconder,
13:43 and I am not given a single vote,
13:45 which is given by the Election Commission under Section 58,
13:49 I am only going to file a single paper,
13:52 I did not get a single vote,
13:54 but despite this, I will be elected,
13:56 then whatever work you have to do, you have to do under the law.
14:00 If you assume that someone has made a mistake,
14:04 they have gone against the law,
14:06 and that mistake is a false mistake,
14:08 after that false mistake,
14:10 they will go on to say some emotional things,
14:12 that this mandate of this person will go,
14:14 and that mandate of that person will come,
14:16 if all these mandates of theirs,
14:18 if they are not filed against them,
14:23 then they become unopposed elect.
14:25 So, in the same way, this matter is also being handled in the same way.
14:30 What does the law say?
14:32 See the simple language of the law,
14:34 you will understand the matter.
14:36 Sir, I want to understand a little.
14:38 Instead of this, we should give it an emotional color.
14:40 No, sir, it has a political aspect,
14:42 it has a legal aspect,
14:43 the legal aspect and when the political aspects merge,
14:46 then what happens in 2019,
14:48 what happened in the case of the Balochistan Awami Party,
14:50 there, my understanding,
14:52 which I talked to my legal experts,
14:54 there, they thought it appropriate that representation is necessary,
14:58 so that session was given.
15:00 So, this is what happens with the Election Commission.
15:02 Has this happened in this case?
15:04 Was it there before?
15:06 I do not believe your understanding correctly,
15:10 your understanding is not correct,
15:12 and the legal experts with whom you have consulted,
15:14 I question their understanding too.
15:17 Sir, I am quoting Ahmed Bilal Mahbub.
15:19 Let me quote Ahmed Bilal Mahbub.
15:21 Listen to me, I will answer your question,
15:26 but I think the counter argument is not very appropriate,
15:31 take my opinion,
15:33 then you see the plain language,
15:35 the provisions I have referred,
15:37 read it comfortably,
15:39 then you make your judgment according to that law.
15:42 You want that to solve a political issue,
15:45 it should be against the law,
15:47 then break that law,
15:50 if you say that it happened in the past,
15:52 it is discretion,
15:54 it is not a matter of discretion,
15:56 it is very easy,
15:58 you sit alone and read it for 10-15 minutes,
16:00 and then you have to see the schedule,
16:02 if it is time-bounded,
16:04 if it is time-bounded,
16:06 and a party has not claimed in it,
16:08 it has filed a list,
16:10 and then the same party comes and says,
16:12 we do not even want seats,
16:14 so can we give it to the party?
16:16 Look at it comfortably,
16:18 you will be clear,
16:20 it is very easy,
16:22 there is no rocket science in it.
16:24 Okay, let's move a little further,
16:26 some last political questions,
16:28 we met Moulana Fazlur Rehman,
16:30 that day also a delegation came to meet the PGM,
16:32 today also met,
16:34 has the Jamiatul Mahi Islam decided,
16:36 that it has to sit in the opposition,
16:38 or the government has decided,
16:40 that it has to sit in the opposition,
16:42 or the government has decided,
16:44 that it has to sit in the opposition,
16:46 or the government has decided,
16:48 that it has to sit in the opposition,
16:50 that has to be decided,
16:52 we have already sat in the opposition,
16:54 if it is decided,
16:56 then it will be for the future,
16:58 what we have to do in the future,
17:00 we have already sat,
17:02 you must have seen our sessions,
17:04 it has been two days since the National Assembly,
17:06 the seats that have been allotted to us,
17:08 have been done according to the opposition,
17:10 and we have sat in the opposition.
17:12 Sir, my question is,
17:14 can this be reconsidered,
17:16 in the context of these meetings,
17:18 this is my question.
17:20 Yes,
17:22 at present we are not
17:24 reconsidering it at all,
17:26 the meeting that we had with the
17:28 Mian Sahib, the elder Mian Sahib,
17:30 I was not present in it,
17:32 but as far as I have information,
17:34 it is that we will sit
17:36 where we sat.
17:38 Okay, thank you very much,
17:40 Mr. Kamran Mutsa was present,
17:42 he was saying that the argument of the law,
17:44 is based on the law,
17:46 the law says that
17:48 within a certain time period,
17:50 these lists have to be collected,
17:52 if not, then these legal points should be written,
17:54 there is no scope for political
17:56 and emotional interpretation in this.
17:58 We will go back to the break,
18:00 in Pakistan, Twitter,
18:02 today is the 13th day, it has been closed,
18:04 now the situation is that
18:06 the freelancers and other businesses
18:08 are there, what difference does it make,
18:10 we will try to understand this,
18:12 stay with us after the break.
18:14 Welcome back,
18:18 in Pakistan, we are seeing a pattern
18:20 recurring in the internet and
18:22 especially in the social media apps,
18:24 that they are closed for some time,
18:26 or the internet
18:28 slows down from behind,
18:30 it cannot run
18:32 with that much efficiency,
18:34 this is a pattern that is emerging,
18:36 if we talk about the current trend,
18:38 from around 17th February,
18:40 in Pakistan, Twitter,
18:42 the ex-service is closed,
18:44 what difference does it make,
18:46 some people's employment is directly
18:48 connected to Twitter,
18:50 but to navigate around Twitter,
18:52 people use VPN,
18:54 our cabinet is using VPN,
18:56 our Prime Minister,
18:58 even the IT Minister,
19:00 and no one is addressing this issue,
19:02 what happens when
19:04 VPN is used,
19:06 or the internet is closed,
19:08 or it is slowed down,
19:10 as a result of this,
19:12 freelancers face a heavy loss,
19:14 in this country,
19:16 with the help of monetization on
19:18 the ex, the citizens are earning
19:20 a lot, but after that,
19:22 they are facing a heavy loss,
19:24 remember that the Sindh High Court
19:26 also gave the order of expulsion of ex
19:28 on 22nd February, but the order
19:30 was not followed,
19:32 the net block,
19:34 according to the director,
19:36 we are quoting him,
19:38 that Pakistan has already
19:40 lost millions of dollars,
19:42 he says, we are showing you 50 million,
19:44 this is his estimate,
19:46 this is Pakistan's loss,
19:48 on the other hand,
19:50 there are many VPNs in Pakistan,
19:52 which are being blocked,
19:54 and they are being banned,
19:56 according to the Pasha Software House
19:58 Association, VPN ban in Pakistan,
20:00 will badly affect the goal
20:02 of millions of dollars,
20:04 because the government itself said,
20:06 that we are seeing a digital revolution,
20:08 Pakistan is taking off,
20:10 but if it is not affected,
20:12 then it is not wise to believe
20:14 such a ban,
20:16 the ban not only puts a hinder
20:18 in business operations,
20:20 but also stops the development
20:22 of companies and individuals,
20:24 who rely heavily on IPs,
20:26 what is this matter,
20:28 what does it say,
20:30 they say, ask the Information Ministry,
20:32 the Information Ministry says,
20:34 ask the PTA,
20:36 but what is the government
20:38 telling Pasha,
20:40 and they can educate us more,
20:42 about the situation of the IT industry,
20:44 Ali Ehsan, who is the Deputy President,
20:46 is with us from Lahore,
20:48 thank you very much,
20:50 for taking out time,
20:52 because the youth are using the internet a lot,
20:54 freelancers,
20:56 and they make a living from it,
20:58 and Pakistan claims,
21:00 that we have to bring a digital revolution,
21:02 we just want to understand,
21:04 did you get any information,
21:06 from the government,
21:08 that why these services of X,
21:10 have been shut down,
21:12 how long will they remain shut,
21:14 did you get any information from this?
21:16 Thank you Maria,
21:20 for inviting me to your show,
21:22 you have asked a lot of questions,
21:24 give me a minute, I will try to connect them,
21:26 as far as the social media platforms,
21:28 are concerned,
21:30 we understand,
21:32 that there are complications of political instability,
21:34 and national interest,
21:36 certainly there is a branch of IT services,
21:38 there will be digital agencies,
21:40 marketing agencies,
21:42 whose employment is definitely impacted by them,
21:44 but I would not like to say,
21:46 that Pakistan's freelancers,
21:48 and remote workers,
21:50 and indeed Pasha's majority companies,
21:52 whenever we see,
21:54 such internet outages,
21:56 we should study its ripple effect,
21:58 for any reason,
22:00 even if it is national interest,
22:02 let's assume you have to ban social media,
22:04 technology is such a thing,
22:06 that whatever the problem is,
22:08 there is a solution,
22:10 let's assume people say,
22:12 that VPNs can be the solution,
22:14 VPNs are basically a technology,
22:16 through which you can mask your internet,
22:18 this is one of its qualities,
22:20 it is used for cyber security,
22:22 large scale international companies,
22:24 to connect with private networks,
22:26 so that your information,
22:28 does not travel over the internet,
22:30 and many other such reasons,
22:32 but when you assume,
22:34 that let's ban VPNs,
22:36 so that people can't access Twitter,
22:38 this is the ripple effect,
22:40 that through this technology,
22:42 Pakistan's top IT companies,
22:44 connect with America,
22:46 Europe's top IT companies,
22:48 and operate through their networks,
22:50 even if we don't get any direct communication,
22:52 we get to know through our association members,
22:54 that their virtual private networks,
22:56 are starting to get disrupted,
22:58 their clients are complaining,
23:00 they are saying that we can't keep our business here,
23:02 maybe we have to shift to a neighboring country,
23:04 because these are the realities of IT business,
23:06 we are in business,
23:08 we compete at the best rate,
23:10 we compete with talent,
23:12 and if in our business,
23:14 there is any disruption,
23:16 that other countries don't face,
23:18 then the business gets lost,
23:20 this is the net of it,
23:22 that if VPN blockages,
23:24 or whitelisting the internet,
23:26 whitelisting is a process,
23:28 through which you say,
23:30 that you give your IP,
23:32 and only now,
23:34 we can operate through the IP,
23:36 these are the costs of doing business,
23:38 and making business difficult,
23:40 and these are the things,
23:42 that IT companies can afford,
23:44 you know, various governments are saying,
23:46 that freelancing and remote workers,
23:48 are accelerating rapidly,
23:50 and they are becoming a considerable part of the IT economy,
23:52 so keeping up to date with these technologies,
23:54 and keeping up with these individual operators,
23:56 so that they can work remotely,
23:58 they can't afford this,
24:00 so I feel,
24:02 especially for these things,
24:04 internet blockages,
24:06 and whitelisting technologies,
24:08 it has a very disruptive impact on the economy.
24:10 Ali sir, you have now summed up,
24:12 the hope that the decisions,
24:14 that will be taken in Pakistan,
24:16 the governments,
24:18 all the political parties,
24:20 will be listening to these things,
24:22 the question is,
24:24 when business from Pakistan,
24:26 for example,
24:28 due to uncertainty,
24:30 no one gets a contract,
24:32 or internet outage,
24:34 where does this business go?
24:36 Does it go to South Asia,
24:38 or somewhere else?
24:40 I have to say,
24:42 that I don't know,
24:44 how well they know,
24:46 how this disruption happens,
24:48 you said,
24:50 that they are listening to what I am saying,
24:52 do they fully understand,
24:54 I think IT is a very complicated subject,
24:56 I think in ripple effect,
24:58 the actions that you take,
25:00 can have dramatic outcomes,
25:02 so it is important to take this step,
25:04 for the national interest of the country.
25:06 As far as where this business goes,
25:08 I don't think it is proper,
25:10 to compare the Pakistani industry,
25:12 with the Indian industry,
25:14 it is not appropriate,
25:16 because they are 100 times bigger than us,
25:18 but certainly,
25:20 because they are 100 times bigger than us,
25:22 due to language, culture,
25:24 if the business is lost,
25:26 then the prime winners,
25:28 are the Indian and Bangladesh industries,
25:30 definitely, some go to Latin America,
25:32 some go to Malaysia,
25:34 some go to Indonesia,
25:36 because those countries are also,
25:38 catching up rapidly with the IT boom,
25:40 in fact, their exports are already bigger than ours,
25:42 it is sad to say,
25:44 that Bangladesh has multiple factors,
25:46 that are bigger than ours,
25:48 so we cannot tolerate any more,
25:50 disruption and restrictions,
25:52 we should make a strong national policy,
25:54 on these things,
25:56 and make sure that,
25:58 IT association is always in sync,
26:00 we should know,
26:02 what changes are coming,
26:04 and what we can do,
26:06 to minimize the impact.
26:08 Ali sir,
26:10 tell us,
26:12 how much does this figure,
26:14 affect Pakistan,
26:16 how much is the loss,
26:18 for example,
26:20 if we talk about the last two weeks,
26:22 to what extent,
26:24 Pakistan has been affected,
26:26 by the Zara-e-Mubadala,
26:28 do you have a rough estimate?
26:30 I am a numbers guy,
26:32 if we talk about the speculative conversation,
26:34 then in our internal poll,
26:36 almost 70% of the members,
26:38 responded and said,
26:40 that because of VPN,
26:42 we are facing business losses,
26:44 let us internalize this,
26:46 we run an internal WhatsApp group,
26:48 all the CXOs of Pakistan,
26:50 are included in the ITQ,
26:52 it includes about 600+ companies,
26:54 if you do a poll,
26:56 and 70% of the companies say,
26:58 that they are facing business losses,
27:00 our clients are saying,
27:02 that they will shift,
27:04 you said there will be no more,
27:06 internet outages,
27:08 why are the VPNs down,
27:10 is your country planning to ban VPNs,
27:12 so obviously,
27:14 I can talk in numbers,
27:16 that there are exports of 2 billion,
27:18 Pasha represents at least,
27:20 the 50% share,
27:22 if 70% of the companies,
27:24 have issues,
27:26 then business losses,
27:28 will be expected,
27:30 this is a reasonable bottom end number,
27:32 Thank you very much,
27:34 this is a technical issue,
27:36 so we have to explain,
27:38 that this is just,
27:40 an internet ban,
27:42 or an application ban,
27:44 it seems that for some time,
27:46 you have stopped people,
27:48 from expressing,
27:50 but the ripple effect,
27:52 Ali sir explained it,
27:54 that 70% of the people,
27:56 are facing business losses,
27:58 so from a business aspect,
28:00 this is not a smart decision,
28:02 when we come back,
28:04 Babar Sattar sir,
28:06 has given a very smart decision,
28:08 why is it smart,
28:10 and what are the political repercussions,
28:12 that can happen,
28:14 we will talk about it,
28:16 in the break,
28:18 Welcome back,
28:24 in the break,
28:26 Babar Sattar sir has given,
28:28 a very important decision,
28:30 which is of the local administration,
28:32 if we see,
28:34 the last 1.5 years,
28:36 the orders given by the MPO,
28:38 in the context,
28:40 the decision says,
28:42 Deputy Commissioner Islamabad Irfan Nawaz Memon,
28:44 SSP Operation Malik Jameel Zafar,
28:46 has been found guilty of insulting the court,
28:48 Deputy Commissioner Islamabad,
28:50 has been sentenced to 6 months in prison,
28:52 while SSP Operation,
28:54 has been sentenced to 4 months in prison,
28:56 and 1 lakh fine,
28:58 SHO Thana Margla,
29:00 has been sentenced to 2 months in prison,
29:02 and 1 lakh fine,
29:04 which case is this,
29:06 this is the decision,
29:08 that was made by Babar Sattar,
29:10 on the request of the local administration,
29:12 this was the decision,
29:14 the copy of the court decision,
29:16 will be sent to the PM of Pakistan,
29:18 the PM should investigate,
29:20 this was the decision,
29:22 the court has given time to the DC Islamabad,
29:24 for the appeal,
29:26 and has given the sentence of 1 month,
29:28 the court said,
29:30 the appeal is in 30 days,
29:32 if the appeal is not done,
29:34 the officers will go to jail,
29:36 this is a very important decision,
29:38 let's see, when they challenge it,
29:40 in the higher courts,
29:42 what is the ruling,
29:44 or if there is a new ruling,
29:46 or a new decision,
29:48 the time of the program is over,
29:50 see you tomorrow,
29:52 take care,

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