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00:00 Chase, we have to come up with our Mount Rushmore for Hornet shooters. I've left the definition of shooters grey on purpose
00:07 but
00:09 things that I am taking into account is
00:11 Essentially three-point shooting probably the greatest weight put on that
00:16 Free throw shooting is a factor and then also just your mid-range shooting from around the floor
00:23 Any any form of jump shot is kind of what I'm counting as shooting
00:28 Let's throw out some let's go some names. Have you got a name you want to start with?
00:34 So I think that while even especially considering the all-encompassing definition of shooter that we have right now
00:42 I think we would be remiss to not start this conversation off with Kemba Walker
00:47 By far the leader in three-pointers made in Hornets history. He has
00:53 183 Del Curry's second with 929. So we've got quite a gap there between first and second place and
01:00 obviously one of the best mid-range shot creators of the mid 2010s in his prime with the Hornets
01:08 Could pretty much get a jumper off from any spot on the floor that he wanted
01:12 And what especially in the later years when he really embraced like taking more threes
01:16 Especially off the bounce was just such a fun shooter to watch on top of being extremely efficient with volume
01:23 Tons of production leader in three-pointers made highest scoring game in Hornets history
01:27 It's just it's got to be Kemba Kemba is if there were a Mount Rushmore
01:32 There would be three players on the bottom and Kemba would be standing above them looking down at the rest of them
01:39 Interesting so you have Kemba Walker for your Mount Rushmore on Charlotte
01:46 I'm he's in contention. I don't know
01:51 83% from the free throw line. You see if you look at the percentages
01:56 He shot 36% from three in his Charlotte career
01:59 Which when we talk about some of these other guys here the percentage is way down
02:04 But you have to take into account that we're talking the highest usage of any of these guys by quite some way probably
02:10 83% from the free throw line. I say a great mid-range shooter. So maybe I'm putting too much weight on that three-point percentage
02:19 Because of that that mid-range shooting, but I think he is absolutely a candidate who has to be mentioned. Let's let's circle back. Um
02:26 Look, I'm gonna throw out Davis Baton. So we just talked about so we don't need to go over those stats really
02:32 If we talk about pure shooters
02:35 Off like if you don't off ball shooters, he has to be right up there
02:40 I think she like 46% with the Hornets so far
02:43 Obviously, it's a pretty small sample size
02:45 But we everything we just talked about he is one of the best shooters in franchise history
02:50 Whether he makes Mount Rushmore, we will have to see but he's another guy. I'm gonna throw out. Who's the next guy you've got?
02:56 So this is gonna maybe reopen some wounds and pour some salt in it
03:02 But one of the most recent departures from the Charlotte Hornets is behind Kemba and Dell in third place in three-pointers made all-time
03:10 Was a very efficient as well had a ton of games where he's making eight nine threes and really reinvented his career as a
03:17 Three-point shooter as soon as he got to the Hornets and has since kept that up since he left and that is one
03:23 Terry Rozier
03:24 with
03:26 864 threes made all-time shooting 37% on those he's shooting
03:30 43.6% from the field and especially in his later years with the Hornets improved a lot as a mid-range shooter and shot creator as well
03:37 so I think Terry's definitely gonna be up there another guy like Kemba that is at the very top of most of the
03:44 Jump shooting scoring type of lists not so much the total points for Terry but in terms of a three-point shooter
03:51 he was only here for five C of four and a half seasons and
03:54 He made his mark that is for sure
03:56 So Terry is definitely one of the top shooters in Hornets history for me would definitely be on my Mount Rushmore
04:04 Not on my list and not make my mom. Oh get out of here. No boo tomato tomato tomato tomato
04:10 Right tell me right now you think Terry's there is a better shooting than Troy Daniels
04:16 Yeah, yes, Roy Daniels. Yes, 48% three-point shooter
04:22 He was a absolute sniper the one of the original guys from part of miracle after midnight part one in Sacramento
04:29 Leads the Hornets in three-point percentage. This is not best player. This is not best scorer
04:34 This is the Mount Rushmore for best shooter
04:36 And I think Troy Daniels beats Terry's air and a shooting competition from three from the mid-range
04:43 Eight times out of ten. Oh
04:47 That's see. I don't know. I may be in like an empty gym shooting competition and even that's a maybe I
04:55 Didn't in a game though. If you were just like
04:57 Watching them play I shot difficulty weighed like pretty heavily onto this for me
05:03 like obviously guys that are taking them like off the dribble and off a movement and
05:07 Contested and from deep range like that has more value to me than someone like Troy Daniels who?
05:12 Was like a pretty much purely like an open catch-and-shoot guy not necessarily open
05:17 I gotta give him some credit, but he could definitely hit difficult shots himself
05:20 But was definitely not an on ball guy and as soon as that ball went down for more than like two or three dribbles
05:25 The allure of Troy McDaniel or Troy Daniels
05:28 I just combined him and Jade McDaniels into one person
05:31 But the allure of Troy Daniels went down significantly as soon as the ball hit the deck
05:34 So that that factors into it heavily for me. I can't argue with him being an honorable mention. That is for sure
05:40 I looked up I basically filtered it via percentage and total makes and just kind of
05:46 Cobbled my list together from guys that were on both of those lists
05:50 But and Troy Daniels was there but you would not be he's an honorable mention of the honorable mentions for me, okay?
05:55 Throw out your next guy
05:59 So I think this one is obvious I'm surprised we haven't actually talked more about him yet to this point, but Del Curry
06:05 Obviously, it's got to be on this Mount Rushmore at least be up for consideration for it
06:10 He's over 40% in his career. He was second all-time in the franchise history and threes made with
06:15 929 in
06:17 701 games which if you're considering the era that they played in that might be the most impressive was that he was averaging well over
06:24 If one three made port per game in an era where it was just not common to be someone that took
06:30 threes at a high volume at all and Dell
06:32 Honestly, like has a claim to being like an originator of a guy that's like called like a three-point
06:39 shooter or specialist or anything like that and obviously he birthed and raised two
06:46 supremely excellent shooters
06:49 themselves one of them the greatest of all time and Steph Curry and the other one a
06:53 Current chardella hornet who honestly also might have an argument to be on this list in Seth Curry
06:58 If you take the the career totality into consideration
07:02 There's a real chance that Seth is probably not on this top four, but is in the
07:09 In the NBA in three-point shooting percentage in the history of the league, I believe so
07:14 Yeah career was at least at some point during his
07:18 Ray with the shallow Hornets for the career for his career
07:21 That is shooting
07:24 43% from yeah, like he is
07:27 He is one of the most efficient players in the last like decade of basketball and it's honestly gone
07:34 way under recognized like he just
07:37 Really doesn't miss that many threes at all like for any team that he plays for no matter what role he's in
07:44 he's really never had a time where that hasn't been like a
07:47 Supreme skill on that roster and within the lineups that he's in
07:51 Do we think?
07:53 Seth has a better case than Dell
07:55 He is 43% for his career. He's 86% from the free throw line set
08:02 You know that is compared to his dad Dell was 85% so pretty similar
08:08 now I think
08:10 Dell made
08:12 929 threes in his career with the Hornets. Obviously. It is a different area here, right? We are we are talking different areas, but
08:18 Seth is averaging. What's it 4.2 makes a takes attempts a game almost two makes a game
08:26 Who's who's are they both making on this final list we think
08:32 Honestly, yeah, like I think they I think I've got three of my four now already and
08:38 Honestly, I think I've got my whole mouth rush for now and with people
08:43 My number one guy, all right
08:46 Okay. Yeah, honestly because I give my rights for the era. Oh, that's so true. Yeah, he's
08:55 44% as a Charlotte Hornet, right?
08:58 583 is for the Hornets. So that's a pretty like good volume. It's just under half
09:04 You see if like a very few seasons 85% from the free throw line. Here's the thing
09:08 25% usage and if you take into account the error, right?
09:13 Three-point champion Glenn Rice. How many of these other guys on this list can claim to be three-point champion?
09:20 I
09:23 Think Glenn Rice has to be on the Mount Rushmore
09:26 I don't even think it's a question you have you talk about the volume right the usage the mid-range
09:31 the free throw stuff like the the accolades at all star and
09:35 Glenn Rice has to be on any Mount Rushmore for a best users of all time for the Charlotte Hornets
09:42 Yeah, I think he talks me out of it winning the three-point contest
09:47 probably weighs more than it should for me, but like
09:51 especially back then like and being a player that
09:55 was that productive of a three-point shooter prior to like
09:59 2010 basically
10:01 I think should and does weigh like a lot because those guys just were not like normal and it wasn't like something that teams were
10:08 Seeking out you had to prove to your coaches and your front office and your teammates that like yeah
10:14 It's worth, you know, maybe not working the ball into the post this guy
10:18 That's seven feet or something like that and we can let you shoot from 28 feet or 26 feet or wherever it is
10:24 Instead just because you're so good at it and like guys like Dell and Glenn Rice
10:28 They were the exception to that rule and they were good enough at it for their teams to be able to kind of construct their
10:34 Play style around them and it worked like clearly for good. Yeah, I think Glenn Rice Dell Curry
10:40 Seth Curry and Kemba is my Mount Rushmore now
10:45 Terry is really really hurts me to not put Terry but
10:48 We're also missing one player who in three-point contest twice back to back really seven and oh eight
10:57 Jason Capone. Oh
11:01 My god, he was a bobcat. I totally forgot about that
11:05 We are missing Jason Capone who played for the Bobcats
11:10 See, he didn't come up in either of my my search filters either which is pretty 41% from three as a Hornet
11:16 82% from free-throw line
11:18 Obviously at a pretty short stop in Charlotte
11:21 Okay, and is like most people in this will probably didn't even forgot like he was ever played for the Charlotte Hornets
11:27 But again, this was at the time probably not recognized as the best shooter in the NBA for probably period of three to five years
11:34 He couldn't do anything else, but he had a role as just the best shooter in the league
11:39 This is why this conversation is hard because like
11:42 Obviously the Mount Rushmore you have to have a little bit legendary status
11:46 So like if we were to split down Seth, I think I would lean Dell
11:50 For the longevity in Charlotte just the you know
11:55 The amount of career made threes in Charlotte and also just the era right if he played in this era now
12:00 He'd probably that that three number would be double the usage should be higher
12:05 So I think I have to leave Dell just had the longevity. I think Glenn Rice has to be on there
12:10 We talked about Jason Jason Richardson. He was another guy who I came up just to throw out another name. He was a three-point
12:17 What did he win it or did he just compete? He was a slam dunk champion. Yeah
12:21 I think he won the dunk contest and only ever competed in the three-point contest
12:26 John he's an honorable mention in the all-star events while being like a borderline all-star player. We need more
12:33 Jason Richardson's in the world these days
12:35 so your your Mount Rushmore is Dell
12:40 Ember
12:43 Glenn Rice and who's your fourth guy?
12:45 I feel like I need to put Seth just because of the efficiency is like legitimately
12:52 remarkable among even players that have played in an era where three-point shooting is
12:58 The most popular thing to do and become good at thanks to his older brother
13:02 But I think I will I probably will be like you and I'll split the curry family
13:07 Into two I'll only name one of them just because they would dominate any all-time shooters list really if you
13:13 Were able to include the whole family. I'll go
13:16 Dell curry
13:18 Glenn Rice
13:19 Terry Rozier and then like I said at the beginning I still got Kemba Walker
13:24 at easily the number one just because of
13:26 What he did he did all of it for Charlotte. That's the thing too
13:30 It's a couple of these guys and some of the guys we've talked about
13:33 Didn't do really all of it or even any of it and Jason Capone's case
13:37 For Charlotte Kemba did all of it for them
13:41 And that was like the beginning and kind of the end of his career as a player and as a shooter
13:47 It all happened in a Hornets uniform. I think there's something to be said for that
13:53 So i'm gonna go Kemba Dell and Glenn then i'm gonna reserve one spot for one of these
13:58 Role player three-point specialists. So you tell me out of Capone
14:03 Troy Daniels Davies Bertons
14:06 Seth Curry
14:09 Which one of those four should I be should I be giving the nod to?
14:13 I gotta give it to Seth
14:18 Or it's always fun
14:20 Always fun to give the the shiny new players credit
14:25 Davies Bertons i'd probably go with either one of them
14:28 And maybe just not miss for the rest of the year and then he'll prove us and he'll have to be on this
14:33 This mount rushmore. He'll just go like a hundred for a hundred to end the season wouldn't surprise me
14:37 His look his shot diet. It certainly seems more difficult than Seth's like they aren't
14:43 They aren't running kind of like these out of timeout plays for Seth Curry
14:47 They are doing it for Davies Bertons and his ability to shoot over guys at his size
14:52 I'm gonna go Davies Bertons because we've had a lot of Bertons talk this episode
14:56 um, obviously I know the the volume but like if we're just talking like
15:00 Aliens come down the Hornets have to put forward the best four shooters of all time
15:04 To to win in a shooting contest that involves mid-range free throws three points
15:10 I'm feeling pretty good about Glenn Rice Dell Kemba and Davies Bertons
15:15 I think that's my four
15:17 There we go
15:20 Yeah, unfortunately, I mean if hey we give him another year in this uniform
15:26 Who knows how high he would have gotten on? I mean, he probably would have passed dell
15:29 He would have been second all time and three pointers made
15:32 I believe he finished as the the tenth scorer all time as a Hornet
15:36 the man was not here for very long and
15:38 I think he's like tenth in blocks or something as well. Like he's just all over the the Hornets record books
15:44 thanks to
15:46 that sign and trade for Kemba Walker, so
15:48 Hard to leave Terry off these lists and also because he's very cool. So
15:51 Do you think?
15:54 in
15:55 five years time
15:57 If we have this conversation again, then Brandon mills part of the conversation
16:01 Absolutely, if the volume maintains and the efficiency is about around the same
16:07 I don't see why not. I mean like look at what Terry has
16:11 He had five four and a half seasons five seasons with Charlotte 298 games
16:15 864 threes and if you just go and look at the most three pointers made in Hornets history by player
16:22 It is almost exclusively people that are that were on the team at the start of the season like Terry is third
16:30 Miles Bridges is fifth pj. Washington is sixth. LaMelo ball is seventh and then three spots below them
16:36 There's Devante Graham like Kelly Oubre jr. Comes up on this list. Gordon Hayward is like in the top 20 with 245
16:42 Pretty much everyone that's in the top of the Hornets three-point made list is somebody that played somewhat recently
16:48 So Brandon Miller
16:50 Is you know going to maintain this volume and efficiency?
16:53 I wouldn't surprise me at all if he's
16:56 Near the top of this list much less on it in four or five years
17:02 Interesting to see Nick Smith jr. Also outside chance, maybe you know, we've seen some of his shooting so far, right?
17:07 like he is
17:08 If you had to talk about three-point shooting and mid-range pull
17:12 He's like those are two things that he can absolutely do. I don't know about everything else
17:16 but those two things are our MBA skills, so
17:18 um shout out to the the best Hornet shooters, I would put the best Hornet shooters of all time up against like
17:26 A lot of other franchises this team's not been very good over the years
17:31 But if you had to do a shooting competition putting forward your four best guys in history
17:35 Be like the Hornets would be pretty good spot
17:38 Yeah, they would definitely have i'm just so many like
17:42 Of those like role player types have come through and you spent like a half a season or a season in Charlotte
17:47 That like you can pull a Troy Daniels a Jason Caponio
17:50 Like I and even the bigger name guys too are pretty good with the volume and efficiency that they had
17:56 yeah, that's actually that's a that would be a fun exercise to
17:59 Gather like all 30 NBA teams
18:01 shooting like all-time shooter mount rushmore's and
18:05 Like pit them up against each other. I would imagine honestly that the Hornets are
18:08 Near the top of that list. Do you think there's a case for lamello ball to be on this mount rushmore?
18:14 I wouldn't even think about that. But do you think that he
18:17 Has a case or is it?
18:20 Probably too early still no because of the pull-up shooting
18:23 Okay, like to me he has no mid-range pull-up game whatsoever. Yeah, that's true
18:30 That's where he falls down compared to some of these other names that we've talked about
18:33 Uh from the three-point line the free throw line. Yes, absolutely
18:37 But if you're talking about versatility, that is the area that that hurts you
18:40 yeah, I'd probably have to agree with that the three-pointers obviously like
18:45 The difficulty and range as compares to very few players in Hornets history
18:49 But yeah the lack of ability to pull up once he steps inside the arc
18:53 Would that not be the best?
18:55 all-star
18:57 Three-point like twist where you have to pick one player from your franchise from the last four decades
19:03 Okay
19:05 And you put them forward as a team of four in a three-point shooting competition against the teams like I would
19:11 Can you imagine seeing Kemba?
19:13 Uh, you know del
19:16 davis bertons
19:18 That would be a long day morning like all going out there and and like doing a team three-point shooting competition
19:24 like
19:25 That would be I know obviously people are but like watching old guys do sport is still like funny like oh my god
19:31 He's still got it or in some cases. They really don't
19:33 Uh, so that would be a fun little twist to see at some point
19:37 Yeah, either way that would be entertaining. So I support this idea