"In Logon Say Koi Idarah...", Shabbar Zaidi's Statement
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Transcript
00:00 Let's start with you.
00:02 Whenever we talk about budget, economy, lack of performance of FBR,
00:09 if we can't increase the tax net, should we not do bad to the people in the tax net?
00:15 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
00:17 You are saying that I am not supporting any institution in Pakistan.
00:24 But I have a question. You said that FBR is not able to perform.
00:29 And it is not able to correct the collection of tax.
00:32 My question to you is that is any other institution in Pakistan able to perform?
00:37 So, we, the people of FBR, who leave our society,
00:43 and we make FBR's policy short term,
00:47 can we keep the overall system of institutions of Pakistan separate?
00:55 Is justice being performed in our country?
00:58 Is the health system being performed in our country?
01:01 Is education being performed in our country?
01:04 Is there any institution in our country that is performing?
01:08 So, when you say that why FBR is not performing,
01:12 you assume that it will become an island of performance
01:17 in that society which is moving towards these obligations.
01:21 This is the fundamental question that the whole society is moving towards these obligations.
01:26 I can bring 22,000 angels who are the most honest and who will…
01:34 So, let's get to the point, Shabbar sahib. I am sorry I am cutting you short.
01:36 Let's get to the point then.
01:37 The vicious circle you are pointing towards, we have to break it.
01:41 We cannot live with this.
01:43 You tell me.
01:44 Pakistan can live or such institutions can run the way they are running.
01:48 I agree with you. What you are saying is I agree with you.
01:52 It is agreeable. But how do we do it right? Let's go towards the solution.
01:56 I told you. I told you.
01:59 This is what I am telling you.
02:01 The structure of the state of Pakistan has failed.
02:05 The structure of the state of Pakistan has failed.
02:10 No institution of the state is working.
02:13 And FBR is included in that.
02:16 So, when you take FBR apart and sit to do it,
02:20 and we have been doing it for 40 years,
02:23 for 50 years, that FBR should be right, FBR should be right,
02:26 we are wasting time. And if we do it again, we will waste time again.
02:31 Now I will come to its reverse side.
02:34 See, when I was the chairman of FBR, I made a scheme
02:38 that when you go to purchase and spend more than 40,000,
02:42 you cut your R&D and give it to me.
02:45 FBR was not involved in this.
02:48 The customer was dealing with the shopkeeper.
02:51 So, why did this come up?
02:54 There was no issue of corruption in this.
02:57 The problem is that the businessmen in our country,
03:03 especially retailers, wholesalers, agriculturalists, real estate people,
03:08 they have decided in Pakistan,
03:12 and there is not much power in the state of Pakistan.
03:16 I am speaking clearly to you,
03:19 the army is also included in the state.
03:22 I am saying a big thing.
03:24 The army is also included in the state.
03:27 The army cannot take tax from them.
03:30 This is a very big thing.
03:32 Let them go, Mr. Shabbar.
03:34 You tried, retailers have still left the site very easily.
03:37 This is still the same way, like when you were there.
03:40 So, who will do it?
03:42 The state institutions cannot do anything about it, cannot take tax.
03:46 So, we say, okay, brush it under.
03:49 The solution to this is what you and I are doing.
03:54 Today, when a former chairman of FBR is sitting in front of you and saying in a program,
04:01 that the army cannot handle the retailer and wholesaler,
04:05 unless the whole nation is with him.
04:08 So, we will have to think about why they have reached such a place.
04:13 I am saying this, when a former chairman of FBR,
04:16 who has spent his whole life in the test system,
04:19 he is telling you in very clear words,
04:22 that the army, leave the small rest of the branches.
04:25 The Pakistan army cannot take tax from the retailer and wholesaler.
04:29 So, you should think about its intensity or this thing.
04:35 You correct FBR, I will tell you the answer to this.
04:39 When I go to the retailer and wholesaler to take tax,
04:42 then what they will do first is,
04:45 that there are milk shops, meat shops, and they will close them,
04:48 they will strike, and you media people will come and hit me on the head,
04:53 that Shabbar Sahib has not given milk to the children,
04:56 and meat is not available, and this is not available,
04:58 and after half an hour the army will come and end the strike,
05:02 and the tax will remain the same.
05:04 If you want to get out of this circle,
05:07 then be brave, work in this country once,
05:10 if you don't want to, then when I came after 8 months,
05:14 I was not a fool to leave my career and come back,
05:18 because I had seen it.
05:20 Shabbar Sahib, you have told this very clearly.
05:22 This is a very alarming situation, so somebody has to take a step on it.
05:25 This is not alarming.
05:26 Then what is it?
05:27 This is not alarming.
05:28 Then what is it?
05:29 This is a reality.
05:30 This is a reality.
05:31 Shabbar Sahib, this is an alarming reality.
05:33 If this is happening, then this is wrong.
05:35 This is a reality.
05:36 If a goon has been born in a country,
05:40 you are killing terrorists in the Prime Minister's office,
05:42 why don't you kill terrorists in the Azam Glaub market?
05:45 They are also terrorists.
05:46 Okay, and if the economy is strong,
05:49 then it will be easier to fight terrorism automatically.
05:51 Shabbar Sahib, because I don't have much time,
05:53 I will have to go to the next topic.
05:56 But at this time, there is a policy that the IMF is saying,
06:00 that you have to do this, there are 25 private institutions
06:04 which are included in the IMF.
06:07 Now you know that the Jamaats sitting at this time,
06:10 Shabbar Sahib, let me finish.
06:11 The Jamaats sitting at this time in the government,
06:13 they may not even agree on many matters of private sector.
06:17 How do you think this will be taken forward?
06:19 Look, there is no relevance of many institutions in this.
06:24 There are only two institutions, one is PIA and the other is Steel Mill.
06:27 And the position of the Pakistan People's Party is different on this.
06:32 But my personal view is that they will have to agree to this
06:37 and they will not be able to fight with the World Bank and our system in this regard.
06:45 Look, I just want to say one thing to you.
06:48 The program that you do of 5-6 minutes, 7 minutes,
06:52 and in that you try to solve all the problems of Pakistan.
06:57 This is a personal issue with us and with the public as well.
07:01 Give us a little time to explain our point completely.
07:06 If you make the segment so small, it will be difficult for us to talk.
07:10 Shabbar Sahib, the platform is yours, but the problem is that 8 months are less.
07:12 You have spent 8 months in the FBI, the problems here are very complex.
07:15 No, no, listen to me.
07:16 I am going towards this.
07:17 You people, no, no, it's not about being rich.
07:22 I am saying that there will be a richness,
07:24 Pakistan Steel Mill will be rich, PIA will be rich.
07:27 There is no obstacle in this and the political parties will have to agree.
07:31 Now they do not have this choice.
07:33 Mr. Zardari has conceded his cards after becoming president.
07:39 They will not put their presidency in danger.
07:42 And they will have to concede on this, Mr. Bilawal, whatever you say.