Siyasi Istehkam Ke Liye Mafahmat Kaisay Mumkin..?
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00:00 What are the political options ahead, Mr. Amir Zia?
00:03 If we put aside the questions about the mandate and justice,
00:09 that is obviously a separate discussion.
00:12 But in front of me, in the context of the agreement,
00:14 I see two sides of a chain,
00:16 which have been formed by the People's Party and PMLN's co-operation.
00:19 In Punjab, there is a comfortable government.
00:22 In KP, in Sindh, the governments are comfortable.
00:25 So what is the option now?
00:26 The system is slowly settling.
00:28 There are questions on this, but it is settling.
00:32 I will say two things.
00:36 First, there is a lot of talk about agreement.
00:39 But it is very important to explain what agreement means.
00:43 One agreement is that the Pakistan People's Party and the Noon League
00:47 have become two hearts, or two hearts have become one.
00:51 This is the explanation of the agreement.
00:53 Another agreement is that this country has laws and regulations,
00:56 it has a parliament, the government should do its work,
00:58 and the party should be given the opportunity to do its work.
01:01 This means a legitimate political space.
01:03 This is not what agreement means,
01:05 that all the political opponents should start fighting and start accepting each other.
01:09 If there is such a desire in someone's heart,
01:12 then there will be only one political party.
01:14 The thing is that because there is a difference,
01:16 and because there is a disagreement, there are different political parties.
01:18 Some political parties think that if we meet,
01:21 like the Pakistan People's Party and Noon League,
01:23 some people say it was good, some people say it was very bad.
01:26 So, where did your opinion go, where did your party position go?
01:31 There are many things, questions and signs.
01:33 So, there is no criticism that if someone says that I do not shake hands with you.
01:38 It is not a matter of criticism not to shake hands.
01:40 You work under the mirror, we also work.
01:42 No, Amir sahib, the problem here is that the actual interpretation of shaking hands is
01:46 that you do not believe in the legitimacy of the other person.
01:49 That he is not a legitimate partner to whom you are sitting and talking.
01:51 I am saying that it is necessary to explain the meaning of legitimacy.
01:57 So, let the government do its job,
02:00 but the government's job is also to give legitimate political space to the legitimacy of the opposition party.
02:05 Secondly, your main question is that is this government settling?
02:10 I think it is looking very strong,
02:12 but there are inherent contradictions in it,
02:15 and those contradictions are on multiple levels.
02:18 It is said that the Pakistan People's Party and Noon League are competing forces.
02:23 If PTI is removed from the scene, then of course there is a competition between them.
02:27 They are together because of PTI.
02:29 So, for the next election, Bilawal's wish is that he becomes the Prime Minister.
02:33 This will also be in Mariam.
02:35 Similarly, you see that in Noon League, there is Shahbaz Sharif sahib and Mariam sahiba.
02:41 So, you cannot say this.
02:42 Then there are other contradictions.
02:43 There is MQM, MQM is not settled yet.
02:46 There are other small parties sitting with them.
02:49 So, I think this is a strong fort, but it is a sand fort.
02:55 It is not very strong.
02:57 You remember that PTI also looked very strong.
03:00 It is not a very old thing.
03:02 We used to do that, we used to do predictions that we will go together and the other political parties have become discredited.
03:10 Sir, it looks strong, but it looks strong because of the white, but it was not strong in numbers.
03:15 The number game here is a little bit strong.
03:19 Is this system showing you to settle?
03:22 The way everyone will comfortably settle in and then it will work.
03:26 Yes, see the system has been made quite comfortable by the makers.
03:31 If you look at the numbers, there are close to two-thirds of the coalition numbers.
03:37 If you remember, the last coalition of Imran Khan, the original hybrid coalition, there were not two-thirds.
03:45 Now, in hybrid plus, they said that last time they made a mistake, so there should be two-thirds so that legislation or if there is a need for amendment in the constitution, then that can also be possible.
03:55 But as Amir Bhai is saying, there are contradictions in the system and the biggest problem is the problem of legitimacy.
04:04 See, I was saying that there will be a contradiction between the establishment and the PTI, but the politicians have to do politics themselves.
04:16 Whether it is Shabab Sharif or Maryam or Zardari, they should also take some political initiative.
04:24 It is not that they should hand over everything to the non-electors.
04:29 They should do it themselves and see what are the two-three big things.
04:34 The first thing is that the allegations of PTI in the elections should be investigated.
04:39 Open them up by taking some steps and do that.
04:44 Make a commission on May 9th, a judicial commission, and it should be milk of milk and water of water.
04:51 The third thing is that the fraudulent cases of Imran Khan and his other leaders should stop this matter.
05:00 And if the authorities release Imran Khan or book him, then there is no need to keep them closed.
05:09 There is no need to keep them closed.
05:12 Thank you very much. Raza Rumi and Asif were with us.
05:15 We will go on break and when we come back, we will talk to Shabbar Zaidi about the demands of the IMF and what are its practical effects on us.
05:24 And we saw that the chairmanship of the various committees that the Prime Minister has taken from the Minister of Finance,
05:30 how will this new working model be? We will ask him as an insider.
05:34 We will be back after the break.