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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening, I am Meher Bukhari.
00:15 In the last 24 hours, terrorists have shaken the state of Pakistan.
00:19 In the last 24 hours, terrorists have launched two big attacks.
00:22 Terrorists have attacked the Chinese engineers' car in Basham.
00:26 Five Chinese engineers have lost their lives.
00:30 At night, the Taliban security forces have failed to attack the second big airbase of Pakistan.
00:35 They have killed all four terrorists.
00:38 The Chinese engineers' car was hit by 12 vehicles.
00:41 A car full of explosives hit the Chinese engineers' car in the road catch in the district of Shangla.
00:52 The car was hit by a powerful explosion.
00:56 The car was hit by a powerful explosion.
00:59 Four men, a woman and a Pakistani driver were killed.
01:04 The Chinese embassy has said that the Chinese embassy and consulate have started an emergency work in Pakistan.
01:14 The Chinese embassy has said that the Chinese embassy and consulate have started an emergency work in Pakistan.
01:22 After this suicide attack, the Pakistani Prime Minister, Shabaz Sharif, went to the Chinese embassy and expressed his sadness.
01:30 He also made the Chinese embassy believe that the Chinese embassy is a transparent investigation.
01:33 The Chinese embassy has made the Chinese embassy believe that the enemies of the CPEC have once again attempted to terrorize it.
01:42 But such attempts to harm the friendship between China and Pakistan will not succeed.
01:47 The ISPR has also said that the Shangla incident is an attempt to create a conflict between China and Pakistan.
01:54 The purpose of these actions is to make the internal security situation unstable.
01:58 But Pakistan is the only country that is fighting terrorism as a front-line state.
02:03 Pakistan is the only country that is fighting terrorism as a front-line state.
02:09 We will make sure that all the people involved in helping terrorism are held accountable.
02:17 Similarly, last night, a terrorist attack was carried out on the second largest airbase in Turbat.
02:23 The security forces immediately responded and the terrorist attack was a failure.
02:28 Four terrorists were killed.
02:30 But after this attack at 10 o'clock in the morning, the firing and explosions continued until 6 o'clock in the morning.
02:35 The security forces failed to carry out the attack, but the responsibility of this attack has been taken over by the Majid Brigade of the Kaladam Balochistan Liberation Army.
02:42 This is the first incident of its kind in the past year in Turbat.
02:45 But this is the third major attack in Balochistan by the Majid Brigade.
02:49 On 20 March, a terrorist attack was carried out on the Port Complex Authority at the headquarters of the district of Gawadar in the city of Turbat.
02:55 The security forces also failed to carry out this attack and sent eight terrorists to hell.
02:59 Before this, at the end of January, terrorists attacked the city of Machh in the district of Kachi, Darab Bolan.
03:06 And the security forces also failed to carry out this attack.
03:08 This is the second largest attack on the airbase of Turbat after the Gawadar Port Complex.
03:14 While in the past ten days, this is the fourth terrorist attack on the state of Pakistan.
03:19 The attack on the Chinese engineers in Shangla is not the first attack.
03:23 Previously, the Chinese engineers had been targeted by the terrorists.
03:27 On 14 July 2021, 13 Chinese citizens, including nine Chinese citizens, were killed in a suicide attack on the Chinese engineers' car working at Dasu Dam.
03:35 Initially, this attack was considered an accident on the Chinese engineers' bus.
03:41 But the Chinese side demanded an investigation on the suspicions of sabotage.
03:45 As a result of these investigations, the court of the Supreme Court of India sentenced two accused to imprisonment and death penalty.
03:52 The Chinese officials have been getting taunts from neighboring countries for these targeted activities in Pakistan.
03:58 But since the attack on the terrorists in Mir Ali, Pakistan has targeted the terrorist Hafez Gul Bahadur Group inside Afghanistan.
04:06 Since then, there has been a terrible increase in terrorism in Pakistan.
04:10 After the operation against Hafez Gul Bahadur Group, terrorists have been instructed to speed up operations in Pakistan.
04:17 Two days ago, a video was released on Manzar-e-Aam. In this video, the leader of the Taliban, Hafez Gul Bahadur, can be heard instructing his workers.
04:27 This wave of terrorism in Pakistan has once again shaken the state.
04:33 In 2022, the terrorist attack on Pakistan has been a terrible increase in terrorism since the end of the war.
04:40 In the past two years, 1,560 incidents of terrorism have been reported.
04:44 The Ministry of Interior has also presented these details in the Senate.
04:47 According to these details, 736 incidents of terrorism have been reported in 2022 and 824 incidents in 2023.
04:55 593 people who have been law-abiding have been killed and 263 citizens have been martyred.
05:01 Pakistan has given clear evidence to the Afghan government of terrorism in the neighboring country.
05:07 Pakistan has been demanding from the Kabul government since 1973 that it should not use its territory to terrorists.
05:13 But despite this, there is an increase in this matter.
05:16 The importance of these attacks in Pakistan's long-term is very high.
05:20 In the past three days, these attacks were targeted by China, while the terrorists are related to Afghanistan and India.
05:30 Today, the Taliban Pakistan has accepted the responsibility of the attack on Chinese residents.
05:34 In the past two attacks, the Majid Brigade was responsible for the damage to the port authority complex in Gwadar.
05:43 Because the country is considered an important route to get oil from the Arabian Sea.
05:48 This deep-water port connected to Gwadar is one of the projects of the CPEC.
05:54 The terrorists of the Majid Brigade, who carry out terrorist operations in Baluchistan, gain training in India.
06:00 The evidence of this group's presence in Afghanistan has been shared with the Taliban.
06:04 However, the group's base is on the border of Iran.
06:07 This group, named after Majid Langu, has been involved in terrorist operations in Baluchistan since 1974.
06:13 In July 2009, the then Minister of Internal Affairs, Malik, also raised the question during a Senate meeting that India has established training camps in Afghanistan.
06:22 And he is intervening in Baluchistan.
06:25 Whether it is Gwadar, Turbat, Shangla, the Southern Prime Minister, the terrorists, the BLA, or the Taliban, it is clear that both are targeted by the CPEC.
06:37 Both groups are operating on the border of Afghanistan and Iran.
06:40 According to some experts, the silent support of the Afghan administration is behind these attacks.
06:45 Since the start of the operation against dollar smuggling in Pakistan, and the country has repatriated Afghan illegal residents.
06:52 Since that day, the Afghan administration has released the TTP and other terrorist groups, so that pressure on Pakistan increases.
06:59 These attacks are taking place at a time when no Pakistani neighbor seems happy with Pakistan.
07:04 TTP and Afghan are illegally operating on the residents of Baluchistan.
07:08 The issue of Kashmir with India is still in the process of resolution.
07:11 Similarly, the situation with Iran had become so tense two months ago that the threat of war had arisen.
07:19 And now, after these attacks on Chinese residents, China will certainly not only protest against Pakistan, but will also express displeasure at not providing security.
07:27 Former Prime Minister Manwarullah Kakar is with us.
07:30 Mr. Kakar, thank you very much for your support.
07:32 Sir, please tell us what is the importance of this attack and how can it sabotage the CPEC project Pakistan-China friendship?
07:42 Thank you, Mehar.
07:43 Two days ago, there was an attack in Gwadar and then in Turbat.
07:48 And on the other side, on the other end of the CPEC, in the northern areas, there were attacks on the workers of the Dassault Dam.
07:58 If you look at it in a larger context, the attempt is being made to create a distance between Pakistan and China.
08:05 There is a misunderstanding between Pakistan and China. And the reason for this is that the BRI is now going into its second phase.
08:14 There is going to be a relocation of the Chinese industry.
08:17 A very big opportunity is going to be created for Pakistan.
08:21 Pakistan is going to avail it and play a very important role in its economic revival.
08:30 I think that, in anticipation of this, and after proper deliberations, all the hostile forces, whether in India or Afghanistan,
08:44 should be prepared to prevent Pakistan from going in the direction of its economic revival.
08:51 And China should also be disappointed.
08:53 You remember how long it took to get China back on board after the Dassault Dam attack.
09:00 The Chief of Army Staff and the Prime Minister visited China and demanded 38 million dollars or more than 280 crore rupees.
09:08 And in our meetings off the record, there was utmost dissatisfaction.
09:14 How will you convince China this time?
09:17 Look, China is concerned and will continue to be. But they know very well that this is a deliberate attempt.
09:25 They know that the rise of China should be primarily attacked.
09:32 But the security onus is on us, right?
09:34 Of course, it is on us. And it is not that we back out or neglect it.
09:45 Sometimes there is a loss, and the reasons for that loss are explained.
09:50 In my own tour, we had a lot of conversations.
09:53 The one you visited China in.
09:55 Yes, the one I visited.
09:56 The security situation in front of the different tiers of their leadership was a very open and candid discussion.
10:03 They were very concerned.
10:05 Yes, and we shared our assessment with them.
10:09 And more or less, our approach is the same.
10:11 It is not that this attack will, God forbid, affect China-Pakistan relations.
10:15 Sir, in this period, the most important investment of China will be from Petroleum, ML1, Gwadar Port.
10:21 Will it be affected?
10:23 No, I don't think so.
10:25 This is an unfortunate day for the Pakistan-China relationship.
10:30 An unfortunate day for our friendship.
10:33 That they are suffering such a loss on our land.
10:36 They should be more vigilant and counter these forces with a more proactive approach.
10:42 There is no doubt about it.
10:44 And I think there is a lot of commitment.
10:46 The Chinese leadership looks at this, and will definitely look at this,
10:50 that is our seriousness, is our commitment.
10:53 Sometimes, with commitment and seriousness, you also suffer a loss.
10:58 Now this is a war-like situation.
11:01 Sir, you have seen our policies very closely.
11:05 How they have gone wrong, and how we have tried to come back on track.
11:08 The policy of appeasement has backfired in our faces.
11:11 We have seen how they have regained their ground,
11:14 they have the latest weapons,
11:16 Majid Group is operating in Balochistan,
11:18 TTPs all over the country, especially Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan.
11:22 We have talked about accountability, because Khwaja Asif is also talking about this today.
11:27 There were some voices raised then as to who brought the policy of appeasement, and why.
11:31 If you were in any other country, a lot of people would have gone to the gallows
11:36 for this kind of a policy which backfired.
11:38 Here, everyone goes scot-free, no questions asked, no answers given.
11:41 In this policy issue, whether you wanted to appease or not,
11:47 first of all, you should settle this question.
11:50 There are still political forces here,
11:53 who want to negotiate with the forces, whether they are terrorists in Balochistan or in the form of TTPs.
12:02 This confusion is still present in our society.
12:06 Once and for all, we should decide as a state, as a society,
12:12 that no matter who is in the government,
12:16 today's opposition comes into power tomorrow,
12:19 today's opposition goes into power tomorrow,
12:22 these are your existential threats, emerging threats.
12:28 We should settle on how to handle them.
12:31 Appeasement has never worked, and it will never work.
12:35 But this understanding is not in our state.
12:38 I think there is deep down this understanding, and commitment is also there.
12:43 On the political side, I think this realization is there.
12:47 By and large, in many political forces, this realization is there,
12:52 that we have to confront them, we don't have to appease them.
12:55 Confrontation is the way, that you, in a kinetic way,
12:59 and along with that, there should be a phase,
13:02 when they completely surrender, when they go towards unconditional surrender.
13:08 Then it is the will of the state.
13:10 Because this phase came in 2017-18, and we reversed all those gains.
13:16 And there was a wave of euphoria, when Afghan Taliban took over Kabul.
13:21 There was euphoria in this country, on every level, political and otherwise.
13:26 I don't want to target the people who were in euphoria politically.
13:32 The struggle of TTA vis-a-vis NATO and US forces,
13:38 its context was altogether different.
13:40 They were on their land, their land...
13:44 Imran Khan had chained them to slavery, but sir, there is no issue of politically targeting them.
13:48 Look, their context was altogether different.
13:52 The forces of NATO and US came from 10,000 miles away,
13:56 they wanted to establish a political system there,
13:59 they wanted to establish democracy there,
14:02 they wanted to govern through their own people.
14:05 And one group struggled there,
14:07 and as a result of that armed struggle, they said,
14:10 "This is not home we are leaving."
14:13 The context we have is altogether different.
14:16 This is home, where will we go?
14:19 When we say we should confront them,
14:23 or the political and military milieu there was altogether different.
14:28 For you, this is an existential threat.
14:31 Either we will be there, or they will be there.
14:33 The decision is that we will not be there.
14:37 So, today there is clarity, but you are saying that the last wrong policies will not be taken into account here.
14:41 Look, I am not going into that because for me the immediate issue is that
14:47 foreign nationals should be protected here,
14:50 our own population should be protected,
14:52 and the measures that are needed for that,
14:55 first of all, we should focus on that.
14:57 Whether or not they have accountability,
15:00 whether or not they are a new government, parliament,
15:03 how much of their wealth is there,
15:05 whether or not they want to deliberate, they can do that.
15:07 But for me, as a citizen of this country,
15:09 the most immediate issue is that these forces should be countered and contained.
15:16 Sir, that has to be done, but a house was given a briefing,
15:19 a camera briefing,
15:21 and there were big claims made.
15:24 But today when a politician asks for answers to those questions,
15:28 he is threatened.
15:30 I would like to say something about that.
15:32 I am not going into that because I was also present in that briefing.
15:36 Yes, of course.
15:37 And you see a complete 180 degree shift into what actually happened as per what was claimed.
15:42 I would like to say something about that.
15:44 I think that during that briefing,
15:46 we should have such an understanding on issues
15:49 that we can raise questions during that time.
15:52 And some people might have done that.
15:55 Why were questions not raised at that time?
15:58 Don't we have such a basic understanding of our counterinsurgency
16:03 that someone comes and briefs us on something
16:06 and we blindly accept it and go into blind following?
16:10 And speaking of briefing and blindly accepting things,
16:13 on a separate note, sir, these elections under you are controversial.
16:18 Till date, US committees are sitting,
16:20 are thinking about it, are demanding for investigations,
16:23 headlines have been published on this issue.
16:25 A lot of controversy is still going on.
16:27 Are you personally satisfied with how these elections were conducted?
16:30 See, the ones who have to investigate,
16:32 the Pakistan government has made institutions,
16:34 made tribunals.
16:35 I am asking you, are you satisfied?
16:37 See, my satisfaction is that whenever elections are held,
16:40 questions are raised.
16:42 People accept some things, don't accept some things.
16:44 Were these elections of that nature?
16:46 Sir, what I mean to say is that in the eyes of one class,
16:50 it will be a little more in proportion,
16:53 the other will say no.
16:55 I am asking for your guess.
16:57 By and large, the elections that are taking place in Pakistan
17:00 after 2002, the same kind of elections have taken place this time as well.
17:04 Nothing changed?
17:05 I don't see any unusual thing.
17:09 Rest, the forums are present in the constitution.
17:12 Imran Khan has also demanded that the forums that have done this,
17:16 you are also talking about the election commission,
17:18 but the election commission is conducting investigations.
17:20 They say that the one who has committed theft,
17:22 should be the one to conduct investigations.
17:23 Now, this is the constitutional scheme.
17:25 The problem is that if you have agreed to the constitutional scheme,
17:28 you have come under this constitution,
17:30 under this election commission,
17:32 under these tribunals,
17:34 and have become a part of the electoral process.
17:37 This was not done on my request,
17:39 it was done on the request of the Nigaran government.
17:41 So, you have come under the scheme of the 1973 constitution.
17:43 Okay, but sir, you were asked about the level playing field
17:45 and you phenomenally well in fact dodged those questions
17:51 and said that the level playing field is as it should be.
17:53 On the day of, the day the cell phones were confiscated,
17:57 we saw that there was a discrepancy,
17:59 the election results did not come.
18:01 Was there complete silence from your government?
18:03 Now, you see that this cell phone,
18:04 today you are interviewing me that in Daso,
18:06 the Chinese nationals were attacked,
18:09 the day before yesterday it happened in Turbat,
18:11 it happened in Gwadar.
18:13 People forget that we were going to conduct elections in such a situation
18:17 where there were tangible security threats.
18:21 Day before yesterday, people used to say to us as conspiracy theorists
18:24 that they had made the service a base by making it an excuse.
18:29 Now, when those incidents are happening,
18:32 with the help of hindsight,
18:34 I think it was a much better decision
18:36 that we had shut down the mobile phone service.
18:40 And the election results were so delayed
18:42 that all the security was being sent in a convoy to Aaroz's office.
18:45 This was a better decision.
18:46 In your opinion, when the elections were held in 2018,
18:50 did the results come in a few hours?
18:51 Sir, I want to know from you,
18:52 was it better or not?
18:54 In Indonesia, when the elections were held,
18:57 where there are more voters,
19:00 this time around about 6 crore people used the rent,
19:04 it takes time to compile it.
19:06 Sir, Mohsen Naqvi was adjusted,
19:11 Harjeema was also adjusted,
19:12 did you get any offer?
19:14 From what?
19:16 From giving an important position.
19:18 No, not an important position,
19:19 I am fighting for the election of the Senate.
19:21 Once it was said that you will be given the chairmanship of the Senate.
19:23 No, I am not a member of the Senate,
19:25 so I am not given the responsibility of the chairman of the Senate.
19:26 You will be made, did such a thing happen?
19:28 No, no one did it with me.
19:29 You did not get any offer to come and work in this role?
19:32 No, no, no one has given me any such offer,
19:35 nor has such a thing happened.
19:37 Yes, as a member of the Senate,
19:39 I will try to contribute on the floor of the Parliament.
19:41 Mohsen Naqvi sir probably performed better than you did?
19:44 No, Mohsen has performed very well,
19:46 there is no competition between me and him,
19:48 nor should we try to bring him.
19:50 Many people have done other than that.
19:52 Mohsen is a good soul,
19:54 he did his job and…
19:56 Sir, you are a good soul,
19:57 you were very much adhered and liked?
20:00 I am not able to understand,
20:02 what kind of competition is there between me and Mohsen?
20:05 I am not able to understand,
20:06 why you were not offered anything, sir?
20:08 Why should I be offered?
20:09 You were just sent by thanking.
20:10 No, I think my role was…
20:11 People were also saying that,
20:12 I don't know how many years I have been here.
20:14 Standing here,
20:15 in the media,
20:16 there were many of your colleagues,
20:18 they were saying that,
20:19 he is conspiring alone that there should not be an election.
20:22 But all those things were proved wrong.
20:24 Thank you very much.
20:25 The elections were held,
20:26 and I came to my home.
20:27 Thank you very much,
20:28 the elections were held,
20:29 I came to my home.
20:30 You heard the conversation of former minister,
20:31 Manwarullah Kakar.
20:32 We are going to be right back.
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20:51 The Judges have attached two letters to the Chief Justice of Lambad High Court in 10th May 2023 and 12th February 2024.
21:02 The letters include letters from Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qayani, Justice Tariq Mehmood Jangiri, Justice Babur Sattar,
21:07 Justice Sardar Ejaz Ishaq, Justice Arbaab Mohammed Tahir and Justice Saman Rifat Imtiaz.
21:12 The copies of the letter have been sent to all the members of the Supreme Judicial Council and all the Supreme Court Judges.
21:18 The letter also includes the letters to the Chief Justice of Peshawar High Court.
21:21 The letter mentions the interference of the executive and other agencies.
21:25 The letter also includes the intention to demand the convention on the Mubaynah Interference.
21:30 With the hope that the other courts will also get information about the interference of the agencies.
21:36 The letter also says that the Adliya Convention will provide further information about the freedom of Adliya.
21:41 The letter also says that it should be clear that blackmailing judges, influencing judges and getting engineered decisions is not a policy.
21:50 The letter also says that the Tyrian case also put a lot of pressure on the judges who were not able to submit their requests.
21:56 One judge was admitted to the hospital due to high blood pressure.
21:59 On this interference, the Chief Justice of Pakistan and Chief Justice of Lambad High Court were informed in May 2023.
22:05 The Chief Justice of Lambad High Court said that the DGC has been instructed that no judge should be given the opportunity to file a case against ISI.
22:12 But the pressure was still there.
22:14 In May 2023, the brother of the judge of Lambad High Court was kidnapped for 24 hours.
22:20 His family was spied on and the brother was tortured and electrocuted.
22:26 And the video was forced to be recorded.
22:28 Later, the judge was appointed to the Supreme Judicial Council and a media campaign was also launched.
22:34 On May 3, 2023, the Chief Justice of Lambad High Court was informed that the district judges are being pressured.
22:42 Crackers have been attacked in the house of a district and session judge.
22:47 The Chief Justice of Lambad High Court called the inspection judge and took confirmation.
22:51 He was made an OSD and now he is in Bhavalpur.
22:55 On May 10, 2023, the Chief Justice of Lambad High Court was informed that judges have written a letter against ISI and have written a case.
23:03 But no action was taken after which the six judges of the Lambad High Court,
23:07 Chief Justice Pakistan Umar Atta Bandyal and then present Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan and Justice Qazi Faiz-Isa, brought the case.
23:15 In the summer of 2023, a number of government residences of the Lambad High Court were moved.
23:20 A camera with a light on the wall was obtained.
23:25 In which there was also a SIM card.
23:28 In addition, the details were also given that the camera was also obtained from the master bedroom of the judge,
23:33 which was transmitting video and audio at the same time.
23:36 A USB was obtained with the camera, in which the other judges of the Islamabad High Court have also obtained secret videos.
23:42 This case was also brought to the knowledge of the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
23:45 To find out who is interfering in the privacy of the judges.
23:48 Five judges of the Islamabad High Court wrote another letter to the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court Amir Farooq on 12 February 2024.
23:56 They also requested the judiciary to hold a full court hearing on the case of interference and the charges of the judges.
24:03 Which was not called.
24:05 Six judges of the Islamabad High Court have in their letter,
24:08 supporting the inquiry of the allegation of interference in the formation of the High Court Benches of Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui,
24:13 have made further demands that the scope of the inquiry be increased.
24:17 It should also be determined that the existing administrative matters of the Islamabad High Court,
24:21 the formation of the Benches of Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, the marking of the cases,
24:25 whether the interference is still going on in the judicial proceedings or not.
24:27 And whether the judges of the High Court and the Supreme Court are fulfilling their duties correctly during these threats.
24:33 Although, no notice was taken from the Supreme Court on this issue.
24:38 But it has been further stated in this letter that the issuing Supreme Court has proved Justice Siddiqui to be correct to an extent.
24:45 But the compensation for being removed from his post was not given even after many years of his probation.
24:51 Further, whether the workers working under the DGC at that time were actually interfering in the work of the Islamabad High Court and the Judicial Court or not,
25:01 this aspect was not seen.
25:03 And if they were interfering, then how will the people who are encouraging the freedom of the court and those who help such interference and those who encourage it be held accountable?
25:11 After the Supreme Court's decision, Justice Siddiqui has repeated his demand in the media interviews that the results of the interference and the judicial proceedings should be investigated by the engineers.
25:21 And this demand has been reiterated by these six judges in their letter today.
25:26 A short break, we are going to be right back.
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